Executive Trail Fees

[Sjshanl]

So glad to read in today’s Sun how the PWAC has found a way to collect more trail fees. Looking forward to the improved course conditions paid for by us Priority Golf Subscribers. Great job you “money suckers”!

[dewilson58]

Feel Better???


:cryin2::cryin2:

[Dana1963]

So glad to read in today’s Sun how the PWAC has found a way to collect more trail fees. Looking forward to the improved course conditions paid for by us Priority Golf Subscribers. Great job you “money suckers”!
Easy just don't play the Executives we'll show them

[rustyp]

A quote from the online article:

“The agreement is complicated. The AAC will make its own decision,” said PWAC Chairman Don Wiley.

Obviously was too complicated to explain to us the residents.

[Bilyclub]

So glad to read in today’s Sun how the PWAC has found a way to collect more trail fees. Looking forward to the improved course conditions paid for by us Priority Golf Subscribers. Great job you “money suckers”!

According to the developer, priority members were the ones getting a free ride on the Executives.

[VApeople]

Easy just don't play the Executives we'll show them

Or get out of your cart and walk, unless a 9-hole par-3 course is too much for you.

[dewilson58]

A quote from the online article:

“The agreement is complicated. The AAC will make its own decision,” said PWAC Chairman Don Wiley.

Obviously was too complicated to explain to us the residents.

Read it yourself, or do you need Don to explain it to you.

:ohdear::ohdear::ohdear:

[Moderator]

Everybody be nice to one another.

[rustyp]

Read it yourself, or do you need Don to explain it to you.

:ohdear::ohdear::ohdear:

Feel Better???


:cryin2::cryin2:

:popcorn::popcorn::popcorn:

[Mrprez]

Or get out of your cart and walk, unless a 9-hole par-3 course is too much for you.

Have you ever played Mangrove? Between #1 and 2?

Loblolly between #6 and 7?

You’ll be calling Uber.:a040:

[VApeople]

Loblolly between #6 and 7?


We don't play that course. It is unacceptable to require walkers to walk along a MMP.

We do not play exec courses with unreasonably long walks, like Escambia #8 to #9.

We do not play courses that do not have parking for our car, like Sand Hill.

But there are several Exec courses that we really enjoy walking. We find most of them to be in very good shape with fast greens and good sand in the bunkers.

[Sjshanl]

$740 per year for a single that currently includes trail fees doesn’t sound like a “free ride” to me. Can’t wait to see what the new reduced Priority rates will be.

[pauld315]

$740 per year for a single that currently includes trail fees doesn’t sound like a “free ride” to me. Can’t wait to see what the new reduced Priority rates will be.

Haha .... Priority fees go directly to the developer, don't expect any reduction

[Papa_lecki]

The good news is, the money PWAC will get from the trail fees has been spent on the Brownwood woodworking facility - $80,000 for an awning and $40,000 for an air compressor.

[Bilyclub]

$740 per year for a single that currently includes trail fees doesn’t sound like a “free ride” to me. Can’t wait to see what the new reduced Priority rates will be.

Did you miss this post?




Over the last few months there has been more clarity brought to this situation and the inclusion of the trail fee in the priority membership.

First, the inclusion of the executive course trail fee was for the priority membership holder only, if the rest of the household wanted the executive course trail fee it was sold at 75% of the normal rate.

The inclusion of the executive course trail fee with the priority membership was a holdover from the days when the developer owned all the courses - championship and executive, the majority of executive courses are now owned by the SLCDD and the VCCDD.

The inclusion of the executive course trail fee with the priority membership derived no benefit to the budgets that maintain the executive courses. No revenue was received from the developer for these included trail fees. For lack of a better term, they were a gift from the VCCDD and the SLCDD to the developer and the residents who purchased the priority membership. The only time there is revenue received related to the priority membership is when the reduced trail fee is paid for the remainder of the household.

The only people who are benefiting from the current agreement are the minority that are receiving the "free" trail fee, the remainder, the rest of the residents, are having to (unjustly?) carry their costs associated with executive course play.

Since the developer is not paying for the inclusion of the executive course trail fee with the priority membership, there will not be a change in the priority membership rate, they have made that perfectly clear. They are not profiting from either the current or proposed Trail Fee policy.

The SLCDD and VCCDD are governmental bodies, there is no justification or requirement to provide preferential treatment to any one resident, group of residents, or business entity.

If the AAC wants to have additional public discussion on this topic, all of the information should be made crystal clear before the few who are benefiting from the current agreement start to vent their rage. If the AAC decides not to change the current policy as proposed, they should then be ready to justify and explain to the rest of the non-priority membership residents that are paying a trail fee 1) why they should continue to give this service away 2) why the non-priory residents should continue to cover the costs and 3) why non-priority resident should not also receive either free or a discounted trail fee. There is no reasonable justification for any of these.

Executive golf is still free, if you walk the course, with or without your own hand cart, you pay nothing to play. The trail fee is a convenience fee to allow you to use your own cart on the course and cover the additional wear and tear on the course these carts bring. The costs associated with cart wear are significant and were part of the justification of the change a year ago in the Reasonable Accommodations policy.

With respect to the rest of the proposed agreement, these are needed changes. Revenue sharing of trail fees is now clearly defined. The cost of providing the on-line service will now be shared based on a benefit received based calculation method - the developer will pay a higher percentage of the actual costs. The ability to pay your trail fee and/or priority membership fees on-line will finally be available. An avenue will now be available to make changes to the on-line reservation system - perhaps we can now move into the 21 centry and have a phone app to make reservations instead of having to rely on a web page. Trail fees will include a CPI adjustment to help cover the continued increasing costs of the additional course maintenance.

[Sjshanl]

Nothing complicated about greed

[Sjshanl]

That makes me feel much better to know that my golf fees are subsidizing the woodworkers.

[rustyp]

If you follow the money here is where we are:

The AAC (amenities council north of 466) put on hold the vote to not allow executive trail fees as part of a championship priority pass.

The PWAC (amenities council south of 466 chairman Don Wiley) voted to unanimously accept the developers 11 page proposal.

What is the financial part of the proposal the developer put on the table :
- Developer will not include executive trail passes as part of championship priority pass. An esitimated revenue increase to the amenities councils of $375K/yr
- in return the amenity councils will pay the developer $220K/yr for reservation system service fee plus $7200/yr for trail pass service fee.

The net result is the residents south of 466 got a "projected win" of $37957 from the developer.
If the ACC (amenity council north of 466) accepts they will have a projected win of $34293.

This battle was fought for a net win of less than 20% the cost of one new home here in TV.

Now here is the $64K question (happens to be slightly less than the total "windfall") what if the ACC votes no ? Than does the PWAC owe the Developer all of the $220K + $7.2K increases.

Maybe the POA can help explain this better because I'm at a loss for why we poked the bear.

[Bjeanj]

That makes me feel much better to know that my golf fees are subsidizing the woodworkers.

What are you referring to? No idea what you’re talking about.

[Sjshanl]

Read it yourself, or do you need Don to explain it to you.

:ohdear::ohdear::ohdear:
Nothing complicated about greed.

[Bilyclub]

Maybe the POA can help explain this better because I'm at a loss for why we poked the bear.


Didn't the developer refuse to negotiate and dropped this contract on them. I'm pretty sure they were paying a couple hundred thousand for the reservation system to begin with.

[Laker14]

So glad to read in today’s Sun how the PWAC has found a way to collect more trail fees. Looking forward to the improved course conditions paid for by us Priority Golf Subscribers. Great job you “money suckers”!

why should your Priority Membership fee, paid to the owners of the Championship courses, entitle you to free trail fees? None of the money you paid for your Priority Membership went to the executive courses.

If you think you deserve a reduction in price for your Priority Membership, and don't get one, I guess you'll have to some hard thinking about whether or not to renew it next time it comes due.

[Bill14564]

Nothing complicated about greed.

Who is being greedy?

- The Executive courses that feel they need the trail fees from ALL who use the trails?

- The Championship courses that were giving away something they didn't own or fund?

- The Priority members who are unhappy that they are no longer receiving the trail benefit (even though they actually weren't being charged for it in the first place)?

- The non-priority members who are realizing that they were being charged for something the priority members were receiving for free?

Back-room handshake deals are good only until one side forgets what the deal was; it's nice to get this all out in the open and documented. At the same time, the loss of trust between the Developer and the homeowners is a shame.

[Rainger99]

If you follow the money here is where we are:

The AAC (amenities council north of 466) put on hold the vote to not allow executive trail fees as part of a championship priority pass.

The PWAC (amenities council south of 466 chairman Don Wiley) voted to unanimously accept the developers 11 page proposal.

I believe that PWAC is for Districts 5-11. What if you live in Districts 12 or 13? Are they affected? If so, how?

[rustyp]

Didn't the developer refuse to negotiate and dropped this contract on them. I'm pretty sure they were paying a couple hundred thousand for the reservation system to begin with.

Here is the spreadsheet Don provided. Look at far right column "net increase".

92615

[dewilson58]

Who is being greedy?

No one.
We just have an old poster with a new sign-on with an old theme.
I could smell 'm when he got off the elevator.
:ho:

[Bogie Shooter]

No one.
We just have an old poster with a new sign-on with an old theme.
I could smell 'm when he got off the elevator.
:ho:

Someone doing that must really be desperate to post their garbage.:ohdear:

[Topspinmo]

The good news is, the money PWAC will get from the trail fees has been spent on the Brownwood woodworking facility - $80,000 for an awning and $40,000 for an air compressor.

Yep, and only members can use the facility that we all are paying for.

[Topspinmo]

Priority memberships for the golf hogs anyway.

[Laker14]

Priority memberships for the golf hogs anyway.

If that is supposed to be a sentence, I think you left something out.

[Goldwingnut]

A quote from the online article:

“The agreement is complicated. The AAC will make its own decision,” said PWAC Chairman Don Wiley.

Obviously was too complicated to explain to us the residents.

Actually, if you would have taken the time to attend the meeting, most all of it was explained. I and the other PWAC members have taken the time to read, understand, and ask the needed questions to get the agreement right. Had we not, and accepted the original agreement presented in November, it would have cost us (the residents) more. There were a lot of problems in the original agreement, specifically in the way that the Trail Fee was distributed between SLCDD, VCCDD, and the developer.

I can't and won't speak for the AAC, they have their own responsibilities and agenda. I have my doubts that any of the AAC members who decided to delay the vote had even read the agreement, I know for a fact at least one of them did not. The context of the quote you've so boldly quoted has some significance. The question had come up if PWAC should delay their vote on the agreement until after the AAC decided what they were going to do and if they would have any changes PWAC understood the agreement after our discussions in the meeting and was capable and ready to make a decision, we don't need to wait for the AAC to finally read the document and try to understand it.

If you think I or any of the other primary and alternate members of the PWAC are doing such a poor job then I only have one question for you, which CDD seat are you running for in the November election so you can take our place?

[Goldwingnut]

Didn't the developer refuse to negotiate and dropped this contract on them. I'm pretty sure they were paying a couple hundred thousand for the reservation system to begin with.

The genesis of the new agreement goes back to the "Amended and restated agreement for services and collateral assignment of amenities fees from future residences between The Villages of Lake-Sumter, Inc. and Sumter Landing Community development district" of 16 November 2016 (attached below), specifically sections 3C and 4A.

3C (page 9) says The Villages (developer) will provide the tee time system for 5 years at no charge.

4A (page 15) says The Villages (developer) gets to issue Executive trail passes without cost. The justification of this "free" trail pass assignment is contained in the last sentence of $A "Sumter Landing and The Villages agree that the corresponding benefits and expenses experienced by the parties are approximately equal and no payment or charge to either is to be made to either party pursuant to this section."

Translated, the developer got to give away the executive trail passes a part of the Priority Membership at no cost for 5 years in exchange for providing and maintaining the Tee Time system platform. The 5 years is now up, we (SLAD/RAD) have to pay for the tee time system now and since there is no more "approximately equal" exchange, the developer no longer gets free Trail Passes.

The developer didn't "drop" this contract on us, nor did they refuse to negotiate, the agreement ended. Not only did the developer negotiate in good faith, they capitulated on all but one item, date ownership, and even on this item they agreed to adequate protections for the SLAD and RAD that gives them their data should the agreement be terminated.

[Rwirish]

Another TV takeaway is the bottom line. Those reduced priority rates will sure help when hell freezes over.

[thevillages2013]

Everybody be nice to one another.

:boom:

[rustyp]

Actually, if you would have taken the time to attend the meeting, most all of it was explained. I and the other PWAC members have taken the time to read, understand, and ask the needed questions to get the agreement right. Had we not, and accepted the original agreement presented in November, it would have cost us (the residents) more. There were a lot of problems in the original agreement, specifically in the way that the Trail Fee was distributed between SLCDD, VCCDD, and the developer.

I can't and won't speak for the AAC, they have their own responsibilities and agenda. I have my doubts that any of the AAC members who decided to delay the vote had even read the agreement, I know for a fact at least one of them did not. The context of the quote you've so boldly quoted has some significance. The question had come up if PWAC should delay their vote on the agreement until after the AAC decided what they were going to do and if they would have any changes PWAC understood the agreement after our discussions in the meeting and was capable and ready to make a decision, we don't need to wait for the AAC to finally read the document and try to understand it.

If you think I or any of the other primary and alternate members of the PWAC are doing such a poor job then I only have one question for you, which CDD seat are you running for in the November election so you can take our place?



Likewise if you would have read my response a few days ago I explained why I would not attend the meeting.

As for the terse remark directed at me at the end:
- I have no desire for a seat on the CDD. The system allows me to vote for a candidate that I believe will represent my best interest. If I lived in district 10 I probably would not vote for the incumbent in November.
- I'm sure the AAC members are anxious to work in harmony with the PWAC after your professional critique of their service. I doubt the blue Vs gray will serve us all well.

[Papa_lecki]

The priority golfers are the Villages best customers (in terms of revenue)- they pay $600 to $1000 for the membership and probably golf 2 to 3 times a week - paying another $100 to $150 a week in greens fees.

I don’t how many priority members (or their spouses) play executive golf. But I will bet paying another $100 to $150 for the trail fee won’t break the priority golfer’s bank. Even if only spouse plays executive, they’re buying the trail fee.

I also guess, The Developer knows the priority golfer is their best customer - so while they may not lower the price of the priority golfer enhancement - there will be some other benefit for the priority golfer - I just don’t know what that is.

[bmt618]

If wear and tear on the executive course is the problem, then I'd say just keep the carts on the paths, problem solved

[golfing eagles]

If wear and tear on the executive course is the problem, then I'd say just keep the carts on the paths, problem solved

Are you stating that your belief is that the only costs involved in maintaining a golf course are from carts driving on the grass?????

[donassaid]

I don't mind separating the trail fee from the priority fees since, apparently, this money was not accruing to the benefit of tge Executive courses. But now, the trail fee should be deducted from the priority fee since priority members will be paying it directly for tge benefit of tge Executive courses. Fat chance of that happening.

[bmt618]

Apparently someone does, if you walk it's free, if you ride a cart you pay to help with the additional wear and tear the carts cause.

[rtrav711]

There was an "Amended and Restated Connecticut Property Report of The Villages" (34 pages).... attached to my sales agreement at our closing many years ago. It had been prepared by The Developer of the Villages. The developer was responsible for the accuracy and completeness of the report. It clearly states....the Priority member either can use his/her cart, or rent one for $5.00 per round for those who do not have a golf cart. No trail fees are included or mentioned to be assessed....this is all in writing and part of my sales agreement.

I am not an attorney, but was involved in a lot of legal issues during my career. The report prepared by the developer and attached to my "Villages Sales Agreement" at the closing...can be considered a contract of adhesion. Briefly....if it contains any ambiguity, the court would always decide in the signor's favor. But....
the language is clear.

Cannot see how the developer can ignore what has been promised "in writing"...and appears might be open to a possible Class Action Lawsuit...based on their written promises. Regardless of how the business has developed the developer cannot escape what was promised in writing.

In addition....if there was intent to what they propose to do...the developer may be subject to "punitive" damages in addition to compensatory damages.

Again...I am not an attorney...but believe there can be future problems for the developer.

[Kgcetm]

So. Trail fees have always been a part of the 800$ or so we pay for membership each year. This is another move by the the developer to squeeze money from a golden goose. I’ll reconsider mu priority membership and perhaps play better courses with better restaurants elsewhere. Relative to golf, this generation has added nothing to the golfing experience.

[DaleDivine]

So. Trail fees have always been a part of the 800$ or so we pay for membership each year. This is another move by the the developer to squeeze money from a golden goose. I’ll reconsider mu priority membership and perhaps play better courses with better restaurants elsewhere. Relative to golf, this generation has added nothing to the golfing experience.

No one is making you get a priority membership and no one is making anyone play golf in TV. Lots of courses you can play off campus.
:bigbow::bigbow:

[golfing eagles]

Apparently someone does, if you walk it's free, if you ride a cart you pay to help with the additional wear and tear the carts cause.

But that's more for the cost of maintaining the paths themselves, not necessarily the grass, so keeping all carts on the path does not "solve the problem". Plus there are a lot of RA tag holders who would object, and possibly the ADA as well.

[Annie66]

I'm a bit confused. It has been said that roughly $220,000 is the cost of the reservation system per year. Since the first 5 years were absorbed by the developer, how does our $8 per month charge to access the system factor into that equation both before and after the expiration?

[Papa_lecki]

I'm a bit confused. It has been said that roughly $220,000 is the cost of the reservation system per year. Since the first 5 years were absorbed by the developer, how does our $8 per month charge to access the system factor into that equation both before and after the expiration?

ill guess, and this is just a guess, that the tee time reservation system will be re-vamped, in the next 12 to 24 months.

The developer already said, in a video last spring, that the Villages ID will become part of the App, so they are already redeveloping the app.

I bet, the tee time reservation system will become part of the app, and there won’t be a charge. Then, the developer can say they saved priority members $96 - so the trail fee is a wash.

[christine J Toft]

Who is being greedy?

- The Executive courses that feel they need the trail fees from ALL who use the trails?

- The Championship courses that were giving away something they didn't own or fund?

- The Priority members who are unhappy that they are no longer receiving the trail benefit (even though they actually weren't being charged for it in the first place)?

- The non-priority members who are realizing that they were being charged for something the priority members were receiving for free?

Back-room handshake deals are good only until one side forgets what the deal was; it's nice to get this all out in the open and documented. At the same time, the loss of trust between the Developer and the homeowners is a shame.
Well Said

[2BoyDogs]

The trail fee's were never free to the priority members. If they were, why did I have to pay $950 to get them for free

[OhioBuckeye]

LOL, good point & to the point!

[Bilyclub]

Some good points were brought up about paying the $8 a month to access the system. The agreement should have had the ending of the phone system in it and and the web system should be free, especially since the developer is getting paid to run the system.

[Shadowrider]

That makes me feel much better to know that my golf fees are subsidizing the woodworkers.

They are not.

[Shadowrider]

The good news is, the money PWAC will get from the trail fees has been spent on the Brownwood woodworking facility - $80,000 for an awning and $40,000 for an air compressor.

Wow talk about misinformation. The PWAC does not support the Woodworkers Club.

[Bill14564]

Wow talk about misinformation. The PWAC does not support the Woodworkers Club.

A recent article from (the news source that shall not be mentioned on ToTV) and the PWAC Agenda from 2/14/22 (https://district.novusagenda.com/AgendaPublic/DisplayAgendaPDF.ashx?MeetingID=2434) would seem to say that the PWAC is very involved with the Brownwood Woodshop and voted Monday to fund some additional expenses.

NOTE: This does not mean the trail fees supported the wood shop, but the wood shop *is* supported by the PWAC.

[Bilyclub]

Nobody has mentioned the other side of this story. What are the odds the Championship Courses start charging a trail fee to non priority members?

[rustyp]

poa:crap2:

[Papa_lecki]

Wow talk about misinformation. The PWAC does not support the Woodworkers Club.

Who is paying for the facility next to the Brownwood fire department?

“The Project Wide Advisory Committee agreed to move ahead with $79,899 for canopies at the facility located across Buena Vista Boulevard from the Eisenhower Recreation Center. The cost was about $5,000 higher than originally projected.

While PWAC members on Monday agreed to the expense of the canopies, another $38,000 for an air compressor for the facility was nearly the straw that broke the camel’s back.“

[Speedie]

Great decision

No more free ride on our exec courses for those that choose to pay the developer for using his courses

[vsalyer]

So glad to read in today’s Sun how the PWAC has found a way to collect more trail fees. Looking forward to the improved course conditions paid for by us Priority Golf Subscribers. Great job you “money suckers”!

Just amazes me how many people are so unhappy with The Villages do so many great things to make our lives better yes they do charge and try to make money that’s what they call free enterprise

Set back and enjoy the great life we have here it’s better than most other places

[Bogie Shooter]

Priority memberships for the golf hogs anyway.

A new group you are attacking .🙁

[Burgy]

So glad to read in today’s Sun how the PWAC has found a way to collect more trail fees. Looking forward to the improved course conditions paid for by us Priority Golf Subscribers. Great job you “money suckers”!
Let's all pay in quarters

[Luggage]

So glad I don't play golf, it's about time you all realize nothing in life is really free lol

[Luggage]

Plenty of software cheaper at under $200 a month!!!! They are crazy to spend $200,000

[dewilson58]

Just amazes me how many people are so unhappy with The Villages do so many great things to make our lives better yes they do charge and try to make money that’s what they call free enterprise

Set back and enjoy the great life we have here it’s better than most other places

The good news is, there are not many who are so unhappy.
It's jus a few old, tired, broken records playing over and over and over.

I agree, set back & enjoy.

[JSR22]

So glad I don't play golf, it's about time you all realize nothing in life is really free lol

You don't live here and do not understand Village's operations.

[JSR22]

Plenty of software cheaper at under $200 a month!!!! They are crazy to spend $200,000

Not for the robust system required and number of users.

[nn0wheremann]

So glad to read in today’s Sun how the PWAC has found a way to collect more trail fees. Looking forward to the improved course conditions paid for by us Priority Golf Subscribers. Great job you “money suckers”!
Maybe the hotshot, passionate, highly motivated Championship players should stick to their championship courses and let those of us who play a leisurely game enjoy the nine hole courses?

[dewilson58]

Maybe the hotshot, passionate, highly motivated Championship players should stick to their championship courses and let those of us who play a leisurely game enjoy the nine hole courses?

Clueless.


My hotshot championship rounds are leisurely.


:ho:

[Laker14]

Plenty of software cheaper at under $200 a month!!!! They are crazy to spend $200,000

Not for the robust system required and number of users.

As if the developers got where they are by throwing their money away unwisely.

[OhioBuckeye]

So it sounds like all of these comments are just speculation. Nobody really knows for sure because TV never said they were or they weren’t, right?

[OhioBuckeye]

So it’s just someone is just speculating or just want to get some comment. Did TV say they were raising Executive Trail Fees or not or is this a rumor someone heard?

[Topspinmo]

If that is supposed to be a sentence, I think you left something out.

O speaking of hogs. thanks For the reminder.

[Topspinmo]

A new group you are attacking .🙁

Just my opinion

[Goldwingnut]

So it’s just someone is just speculating or just want to get some comment. Did TV say they were raising Executive Trail Fees or not or is this a rumor someone heard?

No increase in the Executive Trail fee has been discussed or planned. There will be going forward, a CPI adjustment to the Trail Fee that will occur annually to help keep up with rising costs, but other than that nothing is being considered.

[drcar]

Plenty of software cheaper at under $200 a month!!!! They are crazy to spend $200,000

You don't have software designed and supported for $200.00 per month! $200,000.00 not crazy!

[MSchad]

Plenty of software cheaper at under $200 a month!!!! They are crazy to spend $200,000

I don’t think the computer system and network to run it on and people to maintain it equates to you throwing a piece of software on your desktop at home.

[Rainger99]

So glad to read in today’s Sun how the PWAC has found a way to collect more trail fees. Looking forward to the improved course conditions paid for by us Priority Golf Subscribers. Great job you “money suckers”!

I read in the paper that this deal will not go through unless the PWAC and the AAC approve it. As I understand it, only the PWAC has approved of the agreement and we are waiting for the AAC to approve it.

Is that correct? And if it is, what happens if the AAC does not approve it?

[Bilyclub]

CPI inflation jumps to 6.01% in January 2022, highest in seven months.

[Papa_lecki]

You don't have software designed and supported for $200.00 per month! $200,000.00 not crazy!

Sure, there’s $200 software that can manage 1,000,000 (or is it 1,500,000 rounds?) tee times

[drcar]

Sure, there’s $200 software that can manage 1,000,000 (or is it 1,500,000 rounds?) tee times

3,000,000 rounds per year and growing

[golfing eagles]

Maybe the hotshot, passionate, highly motivated Championship players should stick to their championship courses and let those of us who play a leisurely game enjoy the nine hole courses?

Interesting. I wonder what "those who play a leisurely game" would translate to in terms of handicap index:1rotfl::1rotfl::1rotfl:

[Bogie Shooter]

Maybe the hotshot, passionate, highly motivated Championship players should stick to their championship courses and let those of us who play a leisurely game enjoy the nine hole courses?

Interesting. I wonder what "those who play a leisurely game" would translate to in terms of handicap index:1rotfl::1rotfl::1rotfl:

Or maybe you should find out how many Champ players actually use the Exec courses.
BTW what is your real beef with Championship players??

[dewilson58]

Interesting. I wonder what "those who play a leisurely game" would translate to in terms of handicap index:1rotfl::1rotfl::1rotfl:

< 3

[Goldwingnut]

I read in the paper that this deal will not go through unless the PWAC and the AAC approve it. As I understand it, only the PWAC has approved of the agreement and we are waiting for the AAC to approve it.

Is that correct? And if it is, what happens if the AAC does not approve it?

Then it's back to the drawing board. TSG would be within their rights to take the system down as there is no agreement in place and they are not getting paid, OR depending on the fields in the database records, they could just lockout those north of CR466 from making reservations in the system. It would be a very difficult sell to justify since the developer is still including the Executive Course Trail pass with the Priority Memberships they are selling today.

Right now, all parties are operating in good faith that the agreement will be approved as quickly as possible, in the end we are simply talking about a business transaction and there is no requirement to give away their services for free. The developer isn't someone's rich uncle that has promised to take care of them for the rest of their life just because they bought a house here, though the way some people act you would think that is the case.

[Goldwingnut]

Or maybe you should find out how many Champ players actually use the Exec courses.
BTW what is your real beef with Championship players??

The data was checked and approximately 87% of the Priority Membership purchasers also make reservations/play for the Executive courses. This was put out at the Monday PWAC meeting.

[OhioBuckeye]

No increase in the Executive Trail fee has been discussed or planned. There will be going forward, a CPI adjustment to the Trail Fee that will occur annually to help keep up with rising costs, but other than that nothing is being considered.

Thanks Goldwingnut, your comment is exactly what I thought it was. You’re the first person to say or explain what was going on. Yes TV is getting older & maintenance fees will probably be more frequent.