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Chellybean
02-17-2022, 05:05 PM
Why is it that People driving a golf cart on a golf cart path think they can run bicyclist off the path and swear at them?
I almost seen two carts hit bicyclist today. What are these peoples problem and why do they think they rule the golf cart paths?
Is this entitlement or just complete AHOLES ?
Lets see how much trouble this post causes?

Topspinmo
02-17-2022, 05:26 PM
I seen two bikers riding side by side on golf cart path, the one on outside to middle was very shaky weaving way over the center line. I had to pull onto grass and stop afraid was going to hit me. So it can go both ways. Walking two or three abreast and especially riding bike’s two abreast is not sharing the MMP it hogging it when traffic coming. But, you are correct some golf carts and especially with golf bags on back are in hurry and create dangerous situations.

Mrprez
02-17-2022, 05:27 PM
Golf cart path as in a path on a golf course or multimodal path, not on a golf course? If you are talking about the former, bicycles are not allowed on golf cart paths. Only golfers.

DAVES
02-17-2022, 05:40 PM
REALITY-People are people. They do not get better as they age, they get worse.
In these posts most will surely read it is someone else's fault. A post, I realized how close I was to causing an accident by MY action would seem insane.

Almost all accidents are avoidable and yet they do happen. Your job is to avoid an accident. Your job is not to teach others. And yet that is far to common.

For all-assuming other knows the law is a reach. Assuming the others know the law and will follow it is well a long reach.

dewilson58
02-17-2022, 06:07 PM
Ranks right up there with dog poop, property line issues, speeding, Hacienda Hills, impact fee, reverse mortgages, annuities, bad parking posts.

Jus do a search and read all the posts you wish.

:ohdear::ohdear:

MrFlorida
02-17-2022, 07:16 PM
When I ride my bike I stay way over to the right so carts can easily pass.... But, I've seen some bikers riding right in the center of the path and refuse to let anything pass... It works both ways, please people, be courteous.

Bogie Shooter
02-17-2022, 08:51 PM
This topic was beat to death just a short time ago. OP where were you?

Toymeister
02-17-2022, 10:15 PM
I have found the only way to discourage the cart drivers from playing chicken with me is to 'talk car' to them. The discourteous cart drivers are the SUVs of the multimodal paths but everyone of them fears a car.

You reach into the cart drivers inner fear by using automotive horns (for bikes). Loudbicycle makes these. Loud Bicycle | Car horn for bikes (http://www.loudbicycle.com).

They have two models, the 'mini' which is two diaphragm horns, hi and low pitch. This sounds like a midsized Toyota. Or the 'classic' snail horn, sounds similar to a 1998 Buick LeSabre. Neither model is suitable for cyclists that count bike accessories by the gram, or penny pinchers.

I have both, they have saved both myself and Mrs. Toymeister from non-attentive car drivers and the aggressive cart drivers. Frankly, it snaps the cart drivers out of their aggressiveness like a dog on a shock collar. They can't comprehend that a bike can sound like a car.

For the bike horn haters: if you heard mine you were doing something incredibly stupid!

JMintzer
02-17-2022, 10:54 PM
Why is it that People driving a golf cart on a golf cart path think they can run bicyclist off the path and swear at them?
I almost seen two carts hit bicyclist today. What are these peoples problem and why do they think they rule the golf cart paths?
Is this entitlement or just complete AHOLES ?
Lets see how much trouble this post causes?

At least you're honest about your trolling... :coolsmiley:

Debra Freeman
02-18-2022, 06:01 AM
Definition from the Villages:

The multi-modal paths are for use by NON-AUTOMOTIVE traffic such as bicycles, golf carts, pedestrians, and skaters. ... nor is it smart…to drive vehicles such as smart cars, motorcycles, or mopeds on any of the multi-modal paths in The Villages.

mlmarr
02-18-2022, 06:17 AM
Tis the snowbird/vistor's season, people are rude/feel entitled everywhere, just smile at them be the bigger person .. oh wait did I mention it's a full moon and the fools are loose. :a040:

:a040:

Sandy and Ed
02-18-2022, 06:26 AM
When I ride my bike I stay way over to the right so carts can easily pass.... But, I've seen some bikers riding right in the center of the path and refuse to let anything pass... It works both ways, please people, be courteous.
Thank you!!! I respect bicycling on the paths and on the roads but hogging a lane with a slower moving vehicle by riding three abreast isn’t fair play. Just ride in single file until the faster vehicle passes and then resume

golfing eagles
02-18-2022, 06:30 AM
I have found the only way to discourage the cart drivers from playing chicken with me is to 'talk car' to them. The discourteous cart drivers are the SUVs of the multimodal paths but everyone of them fears a car.

You reach into the cart drivers inner fear by using automotive horns (for bikes). Loudbicycle makes these. Loud Bicycle | Car horn for bikes (http://www.loudbicycle.com).

They have two models, the 'mini' which is two diaphragm horns, hi and low pitch. This sounds like a midsized Toyota. Or the 'classic' snail horn, sounds similar to a 1998 Buick LeSabre. Neither model is suitable for cyclists that count bike accessories by the gram, or penny pinchers.

I have both, they have saved both myself and Mrs. Toymeister from non-attentive car drivers and the aggressive cart drivers. Frankly, it snaps the cart drivers out of their aggressiveness like a dog on a shock collar. They can't comprehend that a bike can sound like a car.

For the bike horn haters: if you heard mine you were doing something incredibly stupid!

Just having a horn that loud might be construed as "incredibly stupid":1rotfl::1rotfl::1rotfl:

Jdburns11
02-18-2022, 06:34 AM
My experience is more recent on the bike but generally speaking - I’ve found the large majority of golf carts to wait for an appropriate time to pass or follow behind relatively respectfully for such an opportunity on the MMPs. I will generally stay well right on the path or just stop off to the side if I feel uncomfortable with the situation. I refuse to ride on main thoroughfares Morse, Buena Vista, etc., or without designated lanes except if I was with a large group.

The problem for me is it only takes one distracted or other driver to ruin the biker’s day, week, month or worse.

As a golf cart driver, I also afford generous space and consideration for the others… knowing that there but by the grace of god goes me and I wouldn’t someone passing close. Sometimes the scare of it can induce the biker into an incident without any contact at all.

Long story short - it’s not been my personal observation or experience but it doesn’t surprise me and only takes one incident for serious injury. Let’s all be safe.

Respectfully, DB

birdiebill
02-18-2022, 06:35 AM
By Florida law a motorized vehicle passing a bicycle MUST be able to clear the bicycle by three feet. I seldom ride my bike on the multi modal paths, but when I do I ride as near the right side as possible. But where the MMP splits, in most cases there is not room for a golf cart to pass a bicycle and give 3 feet of clearance. At the split MMP I now ride right down the middle to prevent the cart trying to pass. I was nearly hit the only three times I let a cart pass my bike on the split MMP.; the carts missed my handle bar by inches and I was as far to the right of the split MMP as possible.

lpkruege1
02-18-2022, 06:37 AM
Why is it that People driving a golf cart on a golf cart path think they can run bicyclist off the path and swear at them?
I almost seen two carts hit bicyclist today. What are these peoples problem and why do they think they rule the golf cart paths?
Is this entitlement or just complete AHOLES ?
Lets see how much trouble this post causes?

I ride a bike on the paths and try and stay to the right side. Why? for my own safety and to be courteous to those driving a cart. Riding a bike down the center, or riding 2 abreast, or meandering from side to side is not safe nor courteous. I could feel entitled when I ride my bike and make it difficult for carts to pass but hurt or dead is still hurt or dead.

Tomptomp
02-18-2022, 06:50 AM
I want the bikers to “hog” the path until they want me to pass. There were times that the bike moved all the way to the right and then cursed at me for passing when I thought it to be safe.

golfing eagles
02-18-2022, 06:56 AM
I want the bikers to “hog” the path until they want me to pass. There were times that the bike moved all the way to the right and then cursed at me for passing when I thought it to be safe.

I'm not sure what that means, but.........I'm going to pass a biker when I want to, not when THEY want me to (as long as it is safe)

frank1975
02-18-2022, 07:01 AM
Some have been drinking, some don't think you belong there, some are jealous that you're biking and they can't get the will power to do so, etc. etc.etc.. This is also for runners and walkers too. It's a lost cause. A PROBLEM THAT WILL NEVER BE SOLVED!!!!!

Priebehouse
02-18-2022, 07:09 AM
Why is it that People driving a golf cart on a golf cart path think they can run bicyclist off the path and swear at them?
I almost seen two carts hit bicyclist today. What are these peoples problem and why do they think they rule the golf cart paths?
Is this entitlement or just complete AHOLES ?
Lets see how much trouble this post causes?

I vote for the AHOLES.

lisahathy
02-18-2022, 07:14 AM
When I ride my bike I stay way over to the right so carts can easily pass.... But, I've seen some bikers riding right in the center of the path and refuse to let anything pass... It works both ways, please people, be courteous.

Thank you so much for kindly moving to the right and letting others pass. Many bike riders ride in the center of the path, and the road, and refuse to let golf carts or cars pass even though they are much slower than the speed limit. It would be so easy for them to move to the right and let others go by. Some refuse.

angelscelebrate
02-18-2022, 07:14 AM
I have found the only way to discourage the cart drivers from playing chicken with me is to 'talk car' to them. The discourteous cart drivers are the SUVs of the multimodal paths but everyone of them fears a car.

You reach into the cart drivers inner fear by using automotive horns (for bikes). Loudbicycle makes these. Loud Bicycle | Car horn for bikes (http://www.loudbicycle.com).

They have two models, the 'mini' which is two diaphragm horns, hi and low pitch. This sounds like a midsized Toyota. Or the 'classic' snail horn, sounds similar to a 1998 Buick LeSabre. Neither model is suitable for cyclists that count bike accessories by the gram, or penny pinchers.

I have both, they have saved both myself and Mrs. Toymeister from non-attentive car drivers and the aggressive cart drivers. Frankly, it snaps the cart drivers out of their aggressiveness like a dog on a shock collar. They can't comprehend that a bike can sound like a car.

For the bike horn haters: if you heard mine you were doing something incredibly stupid!
Just an FYI you can be ticketed for blowing a horn in a car unless it was used in an emergency. Anger horn blowing can cost you $$.

bark4me
02-18-2022, 07:29 AM
99% of crashes are caused by human error and are avoidable which is why they are called crashes now not accidents. People need to be more cognizant.

tsmall22204
02-18-2022, 07:43 AM
We all need to play together in the same playground. These complaints go both ways. I suggest that golf carts obey the speed limit, bicyclists obey the rules and laws, and walkers be aware of on coming traffic. This is a community of mostly retired people. Slow down and enjoy life and stop the needless complaining.

JMintzer
02-18-2022, 07:50 AM
Tis the snowbird/vistor's season, people are rude/feel entitled everywhere, just smile at them be the bigger person .. oh wait did I mention it's a full moon and the fools are loose. :a040:

:a040:

I read these same complaints last Summer...

rpgio
02-18-2022, 07:51 AM
Why is it that People driving a golf cart on a golf cart path think they can run bicyclist off the path and swear at them?
I almost seen two carts hit bicyclist today. What are these peoples problem and why do they think they rule the golf cart paths?
Is this entitlement or just complete AHOLES ?
Lets see how much trouble this post causes?

Perhaps the answer to your question lies within the first sentence where you reference "People driving a golf cart on a golf cart path" :)

Mrprez
02-18-2022, 07:56 AM
Just an FYI you can be ticketed for blowing a horn in a car unless it was used in an emergency. Anger horn blowing can cost you $$.

316.271 Horns and warning devices.—
(1) Every motor vehicle when operated upon a highway shall be equipped with a horn in good working order and capable of emitting sound audible under normal conditions from a distance of not less than 200 feet.
(2) No horn or other warning device shall emit an unreasonably loud or harsh sound or a whistle.
(3) The driver of a motor vehicle shall, when reasonably necessary to ensure safe operation, give audible warning with his or her horn, but shall not otherwise use such horn when upon a highway.
(4) No vehicle shall be equipped with, nor shall any person use upon a vehicle, any siren, whistle, or bell, except as otherwise permitted in this section.
(5) It is permissible but not required that any vehicle be equipped with a theft alarm signal device which is so arranged that it cannot be used by the driver as an ordinary warning signal.
(6) Every authorized emergency vehicle shall be equipped with a siren, whistle, or bell capable of emitting sound audible under normal conditions from a distance of not less than 500 feet and of a type approved by the department, but such siren, whistle, or bell shall not be used except when the vehicle is operated in response to an emergency call or in the immediate pursuit of an actual or suspected violator of the law, in which event the driver of the vehicle shall sound the siren, whistle, or bell when reasonably necessary to warn pedestrians and other drivers of the approach thereof.
(7) Notwithstanding the other provisions of this section, a trolley may be equipped with a bell, and the bell is not required to be used only as a warning device. As used in this subsection, the term “trolley” includes any bus which resembles a streetcar, which is powered by overhead electric wires or is self-propelled, and which is used primarily as a public conveyance.
(8) A violation of this section is a noncriminal traffic infraction, punishable as a nonmoving violation as provided in chapter 318.
History.—s. 1, ch. 71-135; s. 4, ch. 86-36; s. 1, ch. 88-91; s. 325, ch. 95-148; s. 203, ch. 99-248.

MollyJo
02-18-2022, 07:59 AM
I have found the only way to discourage the cart drivers from playing chicken with me is to 'talk car' to them. The discourteous cart drivers are the SUVs of the multimodal paths but everyone of them fears a car.

You reach into the cart drivers inner fear by using automotive horns (for bikes). Loudbicycle makes these. Loud Bicycle | Car horn for bikes (http://www.loudbicycle.com).

They have two models, the 'mini' which is two diaphragm horns, hi and low pitch. This sounds like a midsized Toyota. Or the 'classic' snail horn, sounds similar to a 1998 Buick LeSabre. Neither model is suitable for cyclists that count bike accessories by the gram, or penny pinchers.

I have both, they have saved both myself and Mrs. Toymeister from non-attentive car drivers and the aggressive cart drivers. Frankly, it snaps the cart drivers out of their aggressiveness like a dog on a shock collar. They can't comprehend that a bike can sound like a car.

For the bike horn haters: if you heard mine you were doing something incredibly stupid!
I love the Loud Horn post! Made my day 🤣🤣🤣 If you can’t run with the Big Dogs, stay on the porch!

JwizChick
02-18-2022, 08:24 AM
I love it when a bicyclist waves me to pass on a very winding MMP like Hogeye. Please, don’t bother… keep your hands on the handlebars. I will pass when I feel it is safe for me to pass… not when YOU think I should pass!

Beyond The Wall
02-18-2022, 08:25 AM
Tis the snowbird/vistor's season, people are rude/feel entitled everywhere, just smile at them be the bigger person .. oh wait did I mention it's a full moon and the fools are loose. :a040:

:a040:
It happens ALL YEAR LONG, not just during snowbird season. If no snowbirds your amenity fee would triple!

MX rider
02-18-2022, 08:25 AM
I like the loud horn idea. I actually just pulled up that website to look at them. lol
My wife and I are avid bike riders and runners, we'll be using the MM paths a lot. Actually we would much rather take our bikes than a golf cart when possible.
We also mountain bike, so we know how to share paths and trails.
We never ride side by side unless we're sure there's nobody behind us. It's just common courtesy.

But there's always going to be few self centered douche bags that think they own the road, not just in TV. It's not just cart drivers either, I've seen walkers, runners and bikes do it as well.

Luckily most people do the right thing.

jrref
02-18-2022, 08:43 AM
My experience is more recent on the bike but generally speaking - I’ve found the large majority of golf carts to wait for an appropriate time to pass or follow behind relatively respectfully for such an opportunity on the MMPs. I will generally stay well right on the path or just stop off to the side if I feel uncomfortable with the situation. I refuse to ride on main thoroughfares Morse, Buena Vista, etc., or without designated lanes except if I was with a large group.

The problem for me is it only takes one distracted or other driver to ruin the biker’s day, week, month or worse.

As a golf cart driver, I also afford generous space and consideration for the others… knowing that there but by the grace of god goes me and I wouldn’t someone passing close. Sometimes the scare of it can induce the biker into an incident without any contact at all.

Long story short - it’s not been my personal observation or experience but it doesn’t surprise me and only takes one incident for serious injury. Let’s all be safe.

Respectfully, DB

And rember all you need to do is hit the cyclist with your golf cart and it's probably over for you financially in addition to any injuries. It's like hitting them with a car. Since most people are older here in the Villages, any injury will probably be catastrophic. Something to consider when trying to do something dangerious to save a few minutes.

Waltdisney4life
02-18-2022, 08:46 AM
You’re right this place sucks let’s move north who’s with me?

tedquick
02-18-2022, 08:53 AM
My mother taught me to drive defensively when she was giving me driving instructions. I have spent my entire life driving cars, motorcycles, bicycles and now golf carts with the idea that anyone near me is a potential accident waiting to happen and it's my responsibility to make sure that it doesn't. To date it's worked for me. Drive defensively and you'll be OK.

toeser
02-18-2022, 09:06 AM
I drive a car, a golf cart, and I ride a bicycle, so I think I have a balanced perspective.

90% of golf cart drivers are reasonable, safe, and courteous. Some could show some improvement, but are O.K. However, that last 2% should be banned from the paths.

The golf cart drivers I fear the most are 1) those who shave by me when passing, and 2) those who cannot stay on their side of the path.

Apparently the idea of slowing down when passing is not safe is lost on some drivers. They try to squeeze between my bike and an oncoming golf cart. That is insane and highly risky. If anyone gets trapped behind me for more than 10 seconds, I look for a place to pull over and let them by, so it's not like I'm taking up their day. What really irritates me is when a golf cart driver will pass me when there is no oncoming traffic, but stays one half in my lane. Do they not pull over to the oncoming lane when passing other cars on the highway?

The other problem is golf cart drivers who will not stay on their side of the painted or implied center line. This is especially high risk when going around blind corners. I have come around more than one corner only to be head to head with an oncoming golf cart in my lane. STOP CUTTING CORNERS.

MEbner2805
02-18-2022, 09:15 AM
Why is it that People driving a golf cart on a golf cart path think they can run bicyclist off the path and swear at them?
I almost seen two carts hit bicyclist today. What are these peoples problem and why do they think they rule the golf cart paths?
Is this entitlement or just complete AHOLES ?
Lets see how much trouble this post causes?

It’s none of that!!! Bicycles and walkers should only be on posted “multimodal” paths! Not every golf cart road is for bikes but no I lists and walkers rudely block golf carts and walkers in middle as I have seen that! Everyone has a attitude on both sides of this issue trust me!!!! If golf cart drivers done want to be blocked by others, then those others should stay off those paths! This assertion will never change here! People in carts like their cars do not want tons obstacles getting somewhere to golf or to a rec center where their activities have a start time. Zoom zoom that’s what it will be. I would never bike or walk on those proprietary golf cart lanes!!!! It’s just stupid and forceful, sure to get people angry! Common sense should rule here!

DaleDivine
02-18-2022, 09:17 AM
You’re right this place sucks let’s move north who’s with me?

Goodbye...
:bigbow::1rotfl::1rotfl::1rotfl:

Rodneysblue
02-18-2022, 09:31 AM
Ranks right up there with dog poop, property line issues, speeding, Hacienda Hills, impact fee, reverse mortgages, annuities, bad parking posts.

Jus do a search and read all the posts you wish.

:ohdear::ohdear:

And don’t forget Costco 🤭😮🤣

Bogie Shooter
02-18-2022, 09:36 AM
:popcorn::popcorn::popcorn:

KenLee100
02-18-2022, 09:39 AM
Why is it that People driving a golf cart on a golf cart path think they can run bicyclist off the path and swear at them?
I almost seen two carts hit bicyclist today. What are these peoples problem and why do they think they rule the golf cart paths?
Is this entitlement or just complete AHOLES ?
Lets see how much trouble this post causes?

This is a two-way street. I have seen both rude cart drivers and entitled bicycle riders. One should not have superiority over the other. OBEY THE RULES OF THE ROAD. Quite simple. If the police get involved, either can be ticketed. If the court gets involved, either can be fined or charged with a crime. In the words of Rodney King, " Why can't we all just get along?"

tophcfa
02-18-2022, 09:40 AM
I have found the only way to discourage the cart drivers from playing chicken with me is to 'talk car' to them. The discourteous cart drivers are the SUVs of the multimodal paths but everyone of them fears a car.

You reach into the cart drivers inner fear by using automotive horns (for bikes). Loudbicycle makes these. Loud Bicycle | Car horn for bikes (http://www.loudbicycle.com).

They have two models, the 'mini' which is two diaphragm horns, hi and low pitch. This sounds like a midsized Toyota. Or the 'classic' snail horn, sounds similar to a 1998 Buick LeSabre. Neither model is suitable for cyclists that count bike accessories by the gram, or penny pinchers.

I have both, they have saved both myself and Mrs. Toymeister from non-attentive car drivers and the aggressive cart drivers. Frankly, it snaps the cart drivers out of their aggressiveness like a dog on a shock collar. They can't comprehend that a bike can sound like a car.

For the bike horn haters: if you heard mine you were doing something incredibly stupid!

As both a bike rider and golf cart driver I wish you didn’t post this thread. I am now wondering how many golf cart drivers are considering putting car horns in their carts so they can throw an instant scare into bikers and watch them swerve off the MMP’s in fear? Those horns can work both ways. Everyone simply needs to be courteous.

Chellybean
02-18-2022, 09:50 AM
By Florida law a motorized vehicle passing a bicycle MUST be able to clear the bicycle by three feet. I seldom ride my bike on the multi modal paths, but when I do I ride as near the right side as possible. But where the MMP splits, in most cases there is not room for a golf cart to pass a bicycle and give 3 feet of clearance. At the split MMP I now ride right down the middle to prevent the cart trying to pass. I was nearly hit the only three times I let a cart pass my bike on the split MMP.; the carts missed my handle bar by inches and I was as far to the right of the split MMP as possible.

Yes i have witnessed that also and you can't fix STUPID!!!!!

Clark124
02-18-2022, 09:52 AM
I prefer this also. A wave of the hand is appreciated

Cooperthecat
02-18-2022, 10:08 AM
I have a GoPro mounted under my handlebars. If I get struck by a careless driver I hope the video proves who was at fault. I ride as far to the right as I can and when someone wants to pass me I slow down when it's safe to pass me. I had a line of 10 golf carts passing me along Meggison rd coming from Southern Oaks one day. The 4th cart passed me at a road crossing with the white post divider at the end of the trail. He squeezed past me pushing me off the trail so he could avoid hitting the post and to stay with his buddies. He didn't stop at the stop sign either. Lucky for him he didn't crash into me or he would be financially responsible for the damages.

A lot of cyclists are using cameras specifically for bicycles and video evidence is hard to beat in court.

It's not hard to believe that most people act in a courteous manner and share the paths respectful of each others safety. The few that don't are heading for trouble.

Golf carts have the same problem with cars respecting their rights and safety. I've had a car cut in front of me making a turn into a mailbox parking lot. I had to slam on my brakes to avoid an accident. I followed them into the parking lot expecting an apology. They instead told me they have the right away over golf carts and that I was supposed to stop for them to make the turn. The passenger was a "Karen" and said I was harassing her as she walked 20 feet towards my cart. She proceeded to call 911. When the police arrived they told her that her and her husband were wrong in their understanding of the law. I have the video of this discussion because I knew it would be hard to believe.

Cars also believe that golf carts are not allowed to merge at the end of a diamond lane. I had a car speed up and slam the brakes on behind me after I merged. He blew his horn and rode my bumper for the 50 ft I had before my turn into the cart path.

Eventually these close calls get someone seriously hurt or worse. That's when they realize the error in their thinking or the lack of respect for others.

Rodneysblue
02-18-2022, 10:12 AM
I have found the only way to discourage the cart drivers from playing chicken with me is to 'talk car' to them. The discourteous cart drivers are the SUVs of the multimodal paths but everyone of them fears a car.

You reach into the cart drivers inner fear by using automotive horns (for bikes). Loudbicycle makes these. Loud Bicycle | Car horn for bikes (http://www.loudbicycle.com).

They have two models, the 'mini' which is two diaphragm horns, hi and low pitch. This sounds like a midsized Toyota. Or the 'classic' snail horn, sounds similar to a 1998 Buick LeSabre. Neither model is suitable for cyclists that count bike accessories by the gram, or penny pinchers.

I have both, they have saved both myself and Mrs. Toymeister from non-attentive car drivers and the aggressive cart drivers. Frankly, it snaps the cart drivers out of their aggressiveness like a dog on a shock collar. They can't comprehend that a bike can sound like a car.

For the bike horn haters: if you heard mine you were doing something incredibly stupid!

Could this horn be used on bicyclers and walkers that travel two or three abreast?

Bob.Betty
02-18-2022, 10:19 AM
and this only happens during "snowbird season".........your living under a rock

golfing eagles
02-18-2022, 10:22 AM
I have a GoPro mounted under my handlebars. If I get struck by a careless driver I hope the video proves who was at fault. I ride as far to the right as I can and when someone wants to pass me I slow down when it's safe to pass me. I had a line of 10 golf carts passing me along Meggison rd coming from Southern Oaks one day. The 4th cart passed me at a road crossing with the white post divider at the end of the trail. He squeezed past me pushing me off the trail so he could avoid hitting the post and to stay with his buddies. He didn't stop at the stop sign either. Lucky for him he didn't crash into me or he would be financially responsible for the damages.

A lot of cyclists are using cameras specifically for bicycles and video evidence is hard to beat in court.

It's not hard to believe that most people act in a courteous manner and share the paths respectful of each others safety. The few that don't are heading for trouble.

Golf carts have the same problem with cars respecting their rights and safety. I've had a car cut in front of me making a turn into a mailbox parking lot. I had to slam on my brakes to avoid an accident. I followed them into the parking lot expecting an apology. They instead told me they have the right away over golf carts and that I was supposed to stop for them to make the turn. The passenger was a "Karen" and said I was harassing her as she walked 20 feet towards my cart. She proceeded to call 911. When the police arrived they told her that her and her husband were wrong in their understanding of the law. I have the video of this discussion because I knew it would be hard to believe.

Cars also believe that golf carts are not allowed to merge at the end of a diamond lane. I had a car speed up and slam the brakes on behind me after I merged. He blew his horn and rode my bumper for the 50 ft I had before my turn into the cart path.

Eventually these close calls get someone seriously hurt or worse. That's when they realize the error in their thinking or the lack of respect for others.

Good post---I hope it at least dispels some misconceptions that seem prevalent in The Villages. Cars do not always have the right of way over cars or bikes, it is dependent upon the situation. Likewise, if a cart and bike get into an accident, the cart driver is not automatically at fault.

Similar to you story, I was in cart headed east on Hillsborough approaching the Dunedin Pool. A car turned out of the side street right in front of me so that my cart skidded after hitting the brakes. As I resumed to return to normal speed, she then cut me off again to turn into the mailboxes. So I followed her in to have a few words, and she claimed "I didn't see you". I suggested she needs to see an eye doctor, to which she replied "I'm on my way there now":1rotfl::1rotfl::1rotfl: (True story about a month ago)

Topspinmo
02-18-2022, 10:25 AM
Definition from the Villages:

The multi-modal paths are for use by NON-AUTOMOTIVE traffic such as bicycles, golf carts, pedestrians, and skaters. ... nor is it smart…to drive vehicles such as smart cars, motorcycles, or mopeds on any of the multi-modal paths in The Villages.

Wouldn’t electric bike be same as moped or motorized electric scooter. Licensed mode of transportation not allowed on MMP. O wait I forgot about LSV, we must excempt them.

Bilyclub
02-18-2022, 10:28 AM
Cars also believe that golf carts are not allowed to merge at the end of a diamond lane. I had a car speed up and slam the brakes on behind me after I merged. He blew his horn and rode my bumper for the 50 ft I had before my turn into the cart path.

Eventually these close calls get someone seriously hurt or worse. That's when they realize the error in their thinking or the lack of respect for others.

Welcome to The Villages and to TOTV.
Carts are allowed to merge at the end of the diamond lane, but the merging golf cart does not have the right of way and will be at fault if there is an accident. Many drivers use caution at these merges, but there are a lot of carts that like to force there way in thinking that their out stretched arm will stop a car in it's tracks.

Chi-Town
02-18-2022, 10:30 AM
Over the years I notice golf carts and bicycles are a bad mix. Wish there were more bike paths in The Villages.

golfing eagles
02-18-2022, 10:31 AM
Welcome to The Villages and to TOTV.
Carts are allowed to merge at the end of the diamond lane, but the merging golf cart does not have the right of way and will be at fault if there is an accident. Many drivers use caution at these merges, but there are a lot of carts that like to force there way in thinking that their out stretched arm will stop a car in it's tracks.

Wrong, wrong, wrong!!!!!
The sign for cars at the beginning of a merge zone slows the car to 20 mph. So a golf cart going 20 with a safe lead of at least 100-150 feet has every right to merge. If there it is an accident, the CAR will be at fault, since it had to exceed the speed limit to even come close to the merging cart.

OhioBuckeye
02-18-2022, 10:33 AM
We’ll, there either impatient, rude or just brought up to think everyone should obey them. All they have to do is slow down & pass them when you can get around them safely. Seem like a lot of people are in such a big hurry to go nowhere. Yes you’re right they’re aholes because where they come from they weee probably treated like that. Some people are just nasty!

Bilyclub
02-18-2022, 10:35 AM
TV needs to put out a booklet explaining to newbies and outsiders that those brown bricked paths in the street around the Brownwood Square are crosswalks amongst other things like roundabouts, gates, etc...

Bilyclub
02-18-2022, 10:44 AM
Wrong, wrong, wrong!!!!!
The sign for cars at the beginning of a merge zone slows the car to 20 mph. So a golf cart going 20 with a safe lead of at least 100-150 feet has every right to merge. If there it is an accident, the CAR will be at fault, since it had to exceed the speed limit to even come close to the merging cart.

The merging law says nothing about speed limits and half the carts are doing more than 20. I don't play chicken at the merges on either side, but the law is pretty clear: when merging, the driver who has the right-of-way is the one already traveling in the destination lane. When merging onto a highway, for example, the person doing the merging will have to yield the right-of-way to cars already on the highway.

debem1@aol.com
02-18-2022, 10:44 AM
:blahblahblah:Thank you!!! I respect bicycling on the paths and on the roads but hogging a lane with a slower moving vehicle by riding three abreast isn’t fair play. Just ride in single file until the faster vehicle passes and then resume

golfing eagles
02-18-2022, 10:50 AM
The merging law says nothing about speed limits and half the carts are doing more than 20. I don't play chicken at the merges on either side, but the law is pretty clear: when merging, the driver who has the right-of-way is the one already traveling in the destination lane. When merging onto a highway, for example, the person doing the merging will have to yield the right-of-way to cars already on the highway.

Sure. So your contention is that a cart has to wait at a merge point for a car that is 2 miles behind him because that car has the right of way?????? And while the "merging law" might not mention speed, a whole lot of traffic laws do. An accident is generally the fault of the last person with a reasonable chance to avoid it. The car driver in my example avoids it by following the posted speed limit.

Bilyclub
02-18-2022, 10:56 AM
Sure. So your contention is that a cart has to wait at a merge point for a car that is 2 miles behind him because that car has the right of way?????? And while the "merging law" might not mention speed, a whole lot of traffic laws do. An accident is generally the fault of the last person with a reasonable chance to avoid it. The car driver in my example avoids it by following the posted speed limit.

You're getting silly about things. It's just basic traffic law 101. No, an accident is not generally the fault of the last person with a reasonable chance to avoid it. As you say wrong, wrong, wrong. An accident is the fault of the person who does not have the right of way.
Trooper Steve says this:
Some drivers in that right lane tend to sometimes speed up and close that gap available for a merger, ultimately eliminating the space for a vehicle to merge. Would this be considered following too closely? Or maybe even careless driving? Possibly.

There are a few traffic violations that could occur if someone had malicious intended to prevent someone from merging. But at the end of the day the roadway belongs to the person in that lane and the individual wanting to merge is obligated to yield right away.

Toymeister
02-18-2022, 11:04 AM
I posted the loud bike horn reply, Loud Bicycle | Car horn for bikes (http://www.loudbicycle.com)

Topspinmo posted a disingenuous reply that ebikes are the same as mopeds, in other words these are "vehicles" that require licensure by the state and by extension should not be allowed on the MMPs.

Ebikes, by definition of the Federal Government are essentially bicycles. Motor vehicles i.e. cars, motorcycles and mopeds fall under part 49 of the US Code of Federal regulations as well as other CFR parts which define what a vehicle is.

Bicycles and electric bikes fall under the jurisdiction of the Consumer Product Safety Commission. The CPSC also details what an ebike is, not any poster reading this thinks it is. In addition our Governor in the summer of 2020 signed into law a change to Florida statutes that ebikes are allowed everywhere bicycles are allowed.

I like to think my post shuts down idiotic replies but I know better...

golfing eagles
02-18-2022, 11:09 AM
You're getting silly about things. It's just basic traffic law 101. No, an accident is not generally the fault of the last person with a reasonable chance to avoid it. As you say wrong, wrong, wrong. An accident is the fault of the person who does not have the right of way.
Trooper Steve says this:
Some drivers in that right lane tend to sometimes speed up and close that gap available for a merger, ultimately eliminating the space for a vehicle to merge. Would this be considered following too closely? Or maybe even careless driving? Possibly.

There are a few traffic violations that could occur if someone had malicious intended to prevent someone from merging. But at the end of the day the roadway belongs to the person in that lane and the individual wanting to merge is obligated to yield right away.

Sorry, but Right, right, right.

From HG law----"In most instances, any driver violating traffic law will be held largely responsible for a resulting car accident. If one of the drivers is issued a citation for speeding, running a light, or another violation, he or she will most likely be primarily at fault, and carry the heaviest burden of the resulting liability."

So, a car that is 150 feet behind a cart near the merge point where the speed limit is 20 that hits a cart was SPEEDING and therefore AT FAULT. PERIOD, no room for debate.

Next , the law does not assign a "right of way", it describes who must yield it

And third, if 2 miles is "silly" how far behind the merge point do you think a car must be in order to be required to yield?????

Bilyclub
02-18-2022, 11:25 AM
Sorry, but Right, right, right.

From HG law----"In most instances, any driver violating traffic law will be held largely responsible for a resulting car accident. If one of the drivers is issued a citation for speeding, running a light, or another violation, he or she will most likely be primarily at fault, and carry the heaviest burden of the resulting liability."

So, a car that is 150 feet behind a cart near the merge point where the speed limit is 20 that hits a cart was SPEEDING and therefore AT FAULT. PERIOD, no room for debate.

Next , the law does not assign a "right of way", it describes who must yield it

And third, if 2 miles is "silly" how far behind the merge point do you think a car must be in order to be required to yield?????

Have you ever investigated a traffic accident? I didn't think so. End of story.

golfing eagles
02-18-2022, 11:35 AM
Have you ever investigated a traffic accident? I didn't think so. End of story.

Have you ever studied Newtonian physics. End of story. Well not really, so I'll explain it to you:

1) A car going 20 cannot hit a cart going 20 that is ahead of it even 1 millimeter, but since that is a bit close, I used 100-150 feet.

2) A car that does hit a cart under those circumstances was going in excess of 20

3) The speed limit for cars in the merge zone is 20

4) ERGO: A car that hits a cart that was ahead of him in the merge zone was speeding, violating the law and therefore AT FAULT. Get it now?

Speedie
02-18-2022, 11:47 AM
The drunk bike riders are a real risk !!

Bilyclub
02-18-2022, 11:58 AM
Have you ever studied Newtonian physics.

No, but I investigated accidents and wrote tickets. You can come up with all the scenarios you want, but the onus is on the merging vehicle. Chapter 316-085(2).

golfing eagles
02-18-2022, 12:16 PM
No, but I investigated accidents and wrote tickets. You can come up with all the scenarios you want, but the onus is on the merging vehicle. Chapter 316-085(2).

Fine, then we are right back to the waiting for a car 2 miles back scenario. There has to be a distance at which a cart can merge even when a car is somewhere in the vicinity. The standard might be "safely", but that is open to interpretation.
If I cite the statute you referred to, 316.085(2)---
"(2) No vehicle shall be driven from a direct course in any lane on any highway until the driver has determined that the vehicle is not being approached or passed by any other vehicle in the lane or on the side to which the driver desires to move and that the move can be completely made with safety and without interfering with the safe operation of any vehicle approaching from the same direction."
That seems open to interpretation as well. It would seem from that wording that a cart is entitled to merge safely ahead of a vehicle in the through lane as long as they don't "cut him off" or perform an otherwise unsafe merge. I'm not disputing your expertise or experience as a traffic investigator, my point was only directed at those who felt that a car ALWAYS has the right of way. A car cutting across the cart lane to make a right turn is a perfect example of the cart having the right of way (or better stated, a car required to yield the right of way)

jimjamuser
02-18-2022, 12:35 PM
Why is it that People driving a golf cart on a golf cart path think they can run bicyclist off the path and swear at them?
I almost seen two carts hit bicyclist today. What are these peoples problem and why do they think they rule the golf cart paths?
Is this entitlement or just complete AHOLES ?
Lets see how much trouble this post causes?
It may cause problems. It already has 5 pages of comments. I notice golf carts speeding by on my residential street. It appears that a lot of golf cart owners have illegally increased their vehicle's governor or jacked up their injector pump to attain higher speeds. I don't see any Police monitoring Golf cart speed and ticketing them. That may be happening in other neighborhoods? Yesterday we had pictures of the small alcohol bottles strewn around TV Land.
.......When I ask myself - how and WHY this general attitude of recklessness has taken hold of the US and especially in an older gated community of conservative people? People seem to be recently prone to ALL forms of reckless behavior including speeding. In this case, they seem ENTITLED to own the community trails in a childish, "we don't stop for nobody" regression to 1st-grade egotistic philosophy. Other known statistics on reckless behavior are crime and murder increase, more physical confrontations with flight attendants, more drug and alcohol abuse, and many others that I won't bother to list. So WHY is this happening now?
......."The answer my friend" IS in looking at the BIG PICTURE!

toeser
02-18-2022, 01:04 PM
Wouldn’t electric bike be same as moped or motorized electric scooter. Licensed mode of transportation not allowed on MMP. O wait I forgot about LSV, we must excempt them.

Under the laws of virtually every state in the nation, including Florida, ebikes are to be considered bicycles in almost every situation. Many places do limit speeds for ebikes, generally 20 mph.

Bilyclub
02-18-2022, 01:09 PM
Fine, then we are right back to the waiting for a car 2 miles back scenario. There has to be a distance at which a cart can merge even when a car is somewhere in the vicinity. The standard might be "safely", but that is open to interpretation.
If I cite the statute you referred to, 316.085(2)---
"(2) No vehicle shall be driven from a direct course in any lane on any highway until the driver has determined that the vehicle is not being approached or passed by any other vehicle in the lane or on the side to which the driver desires to move and that the move can be completely made with safety and without interfering with the safe operation of any vehicle approaching from the same direction."
That seems open to interpretation as well. It would seem from that wording that a cart is entitled to merge safely ahead of a vehicle in the through lane as long as they don't "cut him off" or perform an otherwise unsafe merge. I'm not disputing your expertise or experience as a traffic investigator, my point was only directed at those who felt that a car ALWAYS has the right of way. A car cutting across the cart lane to make a right turn is a perfect example of the cart having the right of way (or better stated, a car required to yield the right of way)

Florida Traffic Law is the vaguest there is. That could be why there's so much litigation here, and commercials.

Jeanne wilson
02-18-2022, 01:10 PM
Why is it that People driving a golf cart on a golf cart path think they can run bicyclist off the path and swear at them?
I almost seen two carts hit bicyclist today. What are these peoples problem and why do they think they rule the golf cart paths?
Is this entitlement or just complete AHOLES ?
Lets see how much trouble this post causes?

A crazy golf cart driver passed me as I was riding my bike over the Sumter Landing bridge which has a solid yellow stripe. The path is very narrow and has a 10 mph speed limit. There was on coming traffic (golf cart and a bike rider) , the bike rider was waving his arm frantically as he was heading straight for the passing cart. I was peddling the speed limit and was shocked and frightened when a golf cart passed me, he came within 3” and almost side swiped me! I caught up with him at a traffic light and lost it!!! I came to The Village’s, bought a home, solely to bike ride…I’m so tired OF THE AHOLES WITH THEIR BETTER THAN THOU ATTITUDE. Never in my 70 years of biking have I heard so many grunts and groans.

golfing eagles
02-18-2022, 01:14 PM
Florida Traffic Law is the vaguest there is. That could be why there's so much litigation here, and commercials.

Somebody has to pay Dan Newlin:1rotfl::1rotfl::1rotfl:

Toymeister
02-18-2022, 02:58 PM
Back to the topic of this thread which is aggressive cart drivers playing chicken with cyclist on MMP

My experience today from a ride that I just completed. Four uses of an automotive horn over 18.3 miles of MMPs, bike paths, bridges, tunnels and quiet surface streets where the only option for anyone is the road.

I was operating a cargo bike (it is designed to carry weight). Cargo bikes are not trick bikes, designed to climb mountains, gravel roads, or win any speed race. I took it grocery shopping. That is a pretty low risk endeavor by any measure.

I sounded the horn to two cars which I could not confirm the driver was aware of me and I feared they would hit me.

The other two were situations where I communicated my desire that the operator STOP what they were doing because they were placing ME in immediate danger by their actions.

One was a car backing out of a parking spot and not checking their surroundings. Result: driver heard me and stopped.

The second was a cart passing recklessly. This idiot decided the second sharp 90 degree turn after crossing behind a village entrance was an excellent place to pass. Result: the idiot gritted his teeth and continued on passing but the cart being passed slowed to allow him to pass. It's a good thing as I was leaning into that 90 degree turn at 17 mph and in no position to maneuver around the idiot on my bike that doesn't do quick turns.

I am pleased with my horn. This is JUST ONE bike ride. Just ponder how tired you get of this when you ride thousands of miles a year.

jimjamuser
02-18-2022, 03:00 PM
Golf cart path as in a path on a golf course or multimodal path, not on a golf course? If you are talking about the former, bicycles are not allowed on golf cart paths. Only golfers.
I found out about that the hard way when I 1st got to TV Land. The ambassadors descended on me as if I were a Terrorist intent on exterminating a golfer (I guess that is illegal). I went back and looked to see if there was a LARGE sign saying no bicycles. That was many years ago so they may have put up one since?

jimjamuser
02-18-2022, 03:14 PM
My experience is more recent on the bike but generally speaking - I’ve found the large majority of golf carts to wait for an appropriate time to pass or follow behind relatively respectfully for such an opportunity on the MMPs. I will generally stay well right on the path or just stop off to the side if I feel uncomfortable with the situation. I refuse to ride on main thoroughfares Morse, Buena Vista, etc., or without designated lanes except if I was with a large group.

The problem for me is it only takes one distracted or other driver to ruin the biker’s day, week, month or worse.

As a golf cart driver, I also afford generous space and consideration for the others… knowing that there but by the grace of god goes me and I wouldn’t someone passing close. Sometimes the scare of it can induce the biker into an incident without any contact at all.

Long story short - it’s not been my personal observation or experience but it doesn’t surprise me and only takes one incident for serious injury. Let’s all be safe.

Respectfully, DB
Being in a large group may improve safety, but it doesn't guarantee it. I recall somewhere in Florida where a car driver had a heat attack and hit about 10 bicycle riders in a pack.

golfing eagles
02-18-2022, 03:18 PM
Being in a large group may improve safety, but it doesn't guarantee it. I recall somewhere in Florida where a car driver had a heat attack and hit about 10 bicycle riders in a pack.

Aha!!!! A weapon of mass destruction.........(Not really funny but couldn't pass it up either. Sorry.)

MX rider
02-18-2022, 04:11 PM
A crazy golf cart driver passed me as I was riding my bike over the Sumter Landing bridge which has a solid yellow stripe. The path is very narrow and has a 10 mph speed limit. There was on coming traffic (golf cart and a bike rider) , the bike rider was waving his arm frantically as he was heading straight for the passing cart. I was peddling the speed limit and was shocked and frightened when a golf cart passed me, he came within 3” and almost side swiped me! I caught up with him at a traffic light and lost it!!! I came to The Village’s, bought a home, solely to bike ride…I’m so tired OF THE AHOLES WITH THEIR BETTER THAN THOU ATTITUDE. Never in my 70 years of biking have I heard so many grunts and groans.

Good for you! We plan on biking a lot when we're there as well. I won't put up with those unsafe idiots either. We all have the right to use the MM lanes safely. I'll have no problem telling them to F**k off.

But that said, bikers, walkers and runners need to courtious too.

asianthree
02-18-2022, 04:57 PM
I bike here, but load up my bike and go south, not a fan of riding on the roads. Today in my cart, I stopped at end of tunnel looked both ways, waiting for a bicycle to go by. Path goes up slight incline, bike was 10 feet in front of me, the women fell over. I stopped immediately as did the other 3 carts behind me, with no issues.

The bicyclists still staring at her bike just stood there, not try to pick it up, or move out of the path. Now traffic is stopped all the way through the tunnel, and oncoming lane, due to bike in the middle of the path.

Since all carts were at a standstill and not in danger of exiting my cart, myself and cart behind got out to help. She needed someone to pick up her bike, and walk it up the hill, because she usually falls over going up hills. Her words, not mine.

Some should not be out alone.

MX rider
02-18-2022, 05:52 PM
I bike here, but load up my bike and go south, not a fan of riding on the roads. Today in my cart, I stopped at end of tunnel looked both ways, waiting for a bicycle to go by. Path goes up slight incline, bike was 10 feet in front of me, the women fell over. I stopped immediately as did the other 3 carts behind me, with no issues.

The bicyclists still staring at her bike just stood there, not try to pick it up, or move out of the path. Now traffic is stopped all the way through the tunnel, and oncoming lane, due to bike in the middle of the path.

Since all carts were at a standstill and not in danger of exiting my cart, myself and cart behind got out to help. She needed someone to pick up her bike, and walk it up the hill, because she usually falls over going up hills. Her words, not mine.

Some should not be out alone.

Thats terrible none of the other bikers would help her.

jimjamuser
02-18-2022, 06:22 PM
I posted the loud bike horn reply, Loud Bicycle | Car horn for bikes (http://www.loudbicycle.com)

Topspinmo posted a disingenuous reply that ebikes are the same as mopeds, in other words these are "vehicles" that require licensure by the state and by extension should not be allowed on the MMPs.

Ebikes, by definition of the Federal Government are essentially bicycles. Motor vehicles i.e. cars, motorcycles and mopeds fall under part 49 of the US Code of Federal regulations as well as other CFR parts which define what a vehicle is.

Bicycles and electric bikes fall under the jurisdiction of the Consumer Product Safety Commission. The CPSC also details what an ebike is, not any poster reading this thinks it is. In addition our Governor in the summer of 2020 signed into law a change to Florida statutes that ebikes are allowed everywhere bicycles are allowed.

I like to think my post shuts down idiotic replies but I know better...
I agree with the discussion of Ebikes. Many are limited to 20mph and most riders can NOT pedal them faster than 15 MPH even with the Emotor's boost. A young biker on a regular bike can go 15 MPH. Ebikes tend to be popular with older riders because it allows them to increase their biking range and get up hills that they could go up easily when they were age 25, but is very difficult for them at age 70.

cj1040
02-18-2022, 07:45 PM
When I ride my bike I stay way over to the right so carts can easily pass.... But, I've seen some bikers riding right in the center of the path and refuse to let anything pass... It works both ways, please people, be courteous.

As members of the Sumter Bike Club we are told to "own the path" so we dont get run off into the edge of the pavement where tires can get caught causing an accident. Golf cars in a hurry can go into the grass and pass without safety worries like this.

PurePeach
02-18-2022, 08:11 PM
Golf cart path as in a path on a golf course or multimodal path, not on a golf course? If you are talking about the former, bicycles are not allowed on golf cart paths. Only golfers.

Yes, the question isn’t clear. Many people refer to both by the same name, which is incorrect.

asianthree
02-18-2022, 08:21 PM
Thats terrible none of the other bikers would help her.

She Couldn’t keep up with the group. She definitely didn’t belong on a road, or a path. Not the first time I have encountered a person riding a bike that shouldn’t be.

Couple weeks ago just past Laurel Manor, watched a man become very wobbly, and fell while riding with a group. Almost took out couple other riders. Very lucky a car wasn’t in the lane next to them, or it would have been a very sad outcome.

JMintzer
02-18-2022, 08:55 PM
I drive a car, a golf cart, and I ride a bicycle, so I think I have a balanced perspective.

90% of golf cart drivers are reasonable, safe, and courteous. Some could show some improvement, but are O.K. However, that last 2% should be banned from the paths.

The golf cart drivers I fear the most are 1) those who shave by me when passing, and 2) those who cannot stay on their side of the path.

Apparently the idea of slowing down when passing is not safe is lost on some drivers. They try to squeeze between my bike and an oncoming golf cart. That is insane and highly risky. If anyone gets trapped behind me for more than 10 seconds, I look for a place to pull over and let them by, so it's not like I'm taking up their day. What really irritates me is when a golf cart driver will pass me when there is no oncoming traffic, but stays one half in my lane. Do they not pull over to the oncoming lane when passing other cars on the highway?

The other problem is golf cart drivers who will not stay on their side of the painted or implied center line. This is especially high risk when going around blind corners. I have come around more than one corner only to be head to head with an oncoming golf cart in my lane. STOP CUTTING CORNERS.

Your "balanced perspective" only slammed golf cart drivers... Just sayin'...

JMintzer
02-18-2022, 08:57 PM
Goodbye...
:bigbow::1rotfl::1rotfl::1rotfl:

https://c.tenor.com/ChFAfv-4uRAAAAAC/sarcasm-funny.gif

JMintzer
02-18-2022, 09:06 PM
It may cause problems. It already has 5 pages of comments. I notice golf carts speeding by on my residential street. It appears that a lot of golf cart owners have illegally increased their vehicle's governor or jacked up their injector pump to attain higher speeds. I don't see any Police monitoring Golf cart speed and ticketing them. That may be happening in other neighborhoods? Yesterday we had pictures of the small alcohol bottles strewn around TV Land.
.......When I ask myself - how and WHY this general attitude of recklessness has taken hold of the US and especially in an older gated community of conservative people? People seem to be recently prone to ALL forms of reckless behavior including speeding. In this case, they seem ENTITLED to own the community trails in a childish, "we don't stop for nobody" regression to 1st-grade egotistic philosophy. Other known statistics on reckless behavior are crime and murder increase, more physical confrontations with flight attendants, more drug and alcohol abuse, and many others that I won't bother to list. So WHY is this happening now?
......."The answer my friend" IS in looking at the BIG PICTURE!

Do you own a radar gun? How do you know how fast they were going?

As to WHY this is happening now... Because it's the same thing that was happening then...

But I'm sure you'll tell us your thoughts on the subject...

JMintzer
02-18-2022, 09:12 PM
I found out about that the hard way when I 1st got to TV Land. The ambassadors descended on me as if I were a Terrorist intent on exterminating a golfer (I guess that is illegal). I went back and looked to see if there was a LARGE sign saying no bicycles. That was many years ago so they may have put up one since?

https://c.tenor.com/lrGM4No1Z8cAAAAM/heres-your-sign-duh.gif

Jeanne wilson
02-18-2022, 09:22 PM
Your "balanced perspective" only slammed golf cart drivers... Just sayin'...

I have never had a bike rider bring on fear, only golf cart drivers here in TV . To pass and not give a 3-foot clearance is against the law. The fact is on a street if a biker feels the need to use the entire lane he can, and that's a law. Cars and golf cart drivers have no idea about bike safety unless they are a seasoned bike rider. I was hit head-on by a car that came off the road at 50 miles per hour. Seven operations and one more fusion to be done this summer and I still bike. Some people like golf, I love biking! So get the hell away from ME!!!!

Mrprez
02-18-2022, 09:44 PM
I found out about that the hard way when I 1st got to TV Land. The ambassadors descended on me as if I were a Terrorist intent on exterminating a golfer (I guess that is illegal). I went back and looked to see if there was a LARGE sign saying no bicycles. That was many years ago so they may have put up one since?

The courses down here have a sign restricting the golf cart path to golf traffic only.

nevjudbaker
02-18-2022, 09:59 PM
Why is it that People driving a golf cart on a golf cart path think they can run bicyclist off the path and swear at them?
I almost seen two carts hit bicyclist today. What are these peoples problem and why do they think they rule the golf cart paths?
Is this entitlement or just complete AHOLES ?
Lets see how much trouble this post causes?
I think it is much more dangerous driving on a cart path than it is on the roads. Bottom line is everyone who is not considerate of others are at fault. Driving too fast, walkers not facing traffic & not staying to one side & bikers not following rules all at fault. These paths are not for race cars. Slow down at curves especially entering a tunnel & exiting a tunnel. If you stop pull off of the path. It all comes down to be respectful of others & follow the rules. Not hard at all but unfortunately we have to deal with those who think they are better than most & think acting like a jerk is their right. I would apologize many times & say it won’t happen again. Instead of acting like a jerk back at them. Kill them with kindness & they will feel like the jerk they are & just may think about their actions.

VApeople
02-18-2022, 10:29 PM
As members of the Sumter Bike Club we are told to "own the path" so we don't get run off into the edge of the pavement where tires can get caught causing an accident. Golf cars in a hurry can go into the grass and pass without safety worries like this.

That is true, golf carts in a hurry 'can' cut go into the grass.

They 'can' also run you down.

We love to ride our bikes but NEVER ride on an MMP.

By the way, bikers, when your blood is all over an MMP, does that mean you "own the path"?

Topspinmo
02-18-2022, 10:41 PM
Under the laws of virtually every state in the nation, including Florida, ebikes are to be considered bicycles in almost every situation. Many places do limit speeds for ebikes, generally 20 mph.

Right, when one passed my in my golf cart going up hill 25 plus mph and not peddling.

jleighton
02-18-2022, 11:28 PM
Thank you to Dave.

Garywt
02-18-2022, 11:36 PM
There are some that only care about themselves. Many do give plenty of space to walkers and bikers.

tophcfa
02-18-2022, 11:43 PM
As a bike rider I try to be unusually patient with bikers on the MMP’s. Today was a real test of my patients. I drove my cart from our home north of 466 to Belle Glade, a cart ride that takes 35 minutes on a hot summer day with little traffic on the MMP. Today it took almost an hour and 5 minutes. Granted, it was a beautiful day during busy season, however, I have never encountered sooooooo many bike riders. It seemed like I was stuck behind a bike for almost the entire ride. Every time I was able to safely pass a bike I almost immediately came up on another. I wish I counted how many I had to pass, my best guess would be close to 20. It really does test ones patients, especially when you are the last of several carts stuck behind a rider. Next time someone asks how long it takes to get to Belle Glade via golf cart, I will have to say between 35 and 65 minutes, depending on bike traffic.

MorTech
02-19-2022, 12:37 AM
A lot of golfers are just plain AHOLES...Combine this with a lot of them being from NY/NJ and you get AHOLE squared.

Jeanne wilson
02-19-2022, 12:47 AM
I have an e-bike and don't know of any that go 25 mph, 20 is the max.

Jeanne wilson
02-19-2022, 01:02 AM
As a bike rider I try to be unusually patient with bikers on the MMP’s. Today was a real test of my patients. I drove my cart from our home north of 466 to Belle Glade, a cart ride that takes 35 minutes on a hot summer day with little traffic on the MMP. Today it took almost an hour and 5 minutes. Granted, it was a beautiful day during busy season, however, I have never encountered sooooooo many bike riders. It seemed like I was stuck behind a bike for almost the entire ride. Every time I was able to safely pass a bike I almost immediately came up on another. I wish I counted how many I had to pass, my best guess would be close to 20. It really does test ones patients, especially when you are the last of several carts stuck behind a rider. Next time someone asks how long it takes to get to Belle Glade via golf cart, I will have to say between 35 and 65 minutes, depending on bike traffic.

Isn't that wonderful that there are so many people out exercising on their bikes!
So you are one of those grouchy old men who have no patients for someone enjoying life. Get up earlier and leave your home sooner so you are not frustrated when you come upon a bike rider. Look on the bright side, you live in a community where people enjoy exercise outside and that is why they are here! They are doing it right down in the southern villages with the separate bike and walking trails and the carts are in the street where they belong.

Jeanne wilson
02-19-2022, 01:03 AM
As a bike rider I try to be unusually patient with bikers on the MMP’s. Today was a real test of my patients. I drove my cart from our home north of 466 to Belle Glade, a cart ride that takes 35 minutes on a hot summer day with little traffic on the MMP. Today it took almost an hour and 5 minutes. Granted, it was a beautiful day during busy season, however, I have never encountered sooooooo many bike riders. It seemed like I was stuck behind a bike for almost the entire ride. Every time I was able to safely pass a bike I almost immediately came up on another. I wish I counted how many I had to pass, my best guess would be close to 20. It really does test ones patients, especially when you are the last of several carts stuck behind a rider. Next time someone asks how long it takes to get to Belle Glade via golf cart, I will have to say between 35 and 65 minutes, depending on bike traffic.

Isn't that wonderful that there are so many people out exercising on their bikes!
So you are one of those grouchy old men who have no patients for someone enjoying life. Get up earlier and leave your home sooner so you are not frustrated when you come upon a bike rider. Look on the bright side, you live in a community where people enjoy exercise outside and that is why they are here! They are doing it right down in the southern villages with the separate bike and walking trails and the carts are in the street where they belong.

Happydaz
02-19-2022, 07:19 AM
I have an e-bike and don't know of any that go 25 mph, 20 is the max.

I have a few bicycles, one is an ebike that provides power assist up to 28 mph then cuts out at speeds above 28 mph. On a recent organized bike ride I was doing 31 mph on 44A. Your bike may be a throttle bike that doesn’t require pedaling. My bike requires pedaling to have any assist. I had to provide maximum pedaling at a cadence of 95 rpm to attain those high speeds. On another point, all the people who want all the bike riders off the roads and onto the multimodal paths have no idea how crowded these paths would become! Bicycling is enjoying explosive growth and the number of riders continues to increase.

JMintzer
02-19-2022, 07:44 AM
I have never had a bike rider bring on fear, only golf cart drivers here in TV . To pass and not give a 3-foot clearance is against the law. The fact is on a street if a biker feels the need to use the entire lane he can, and that's a law. Cars and golf cart drivers have no idea about bike safety unless they are a seasoned bike rider. I was hit head-on by a car that came off the road at 50 miles per hour. Seven operations and one more fusion to be done this summer and I still bike. Some people like golf, I love biking! So get the hell away from ME!!!!

My wife has almost been hit by bicycles several times when out walking. Never had an issue with a golf cart.

Me? I rarely, if ever walk on the MMPs, so I can't comment on personal experience.

But when driving my golf cart, I've yet to have a problem with either bikers or pedestrians...

JMintzer
02-19-2022, 07:48 AM
A lot of golfers are just plain AHOLES...Combine this with a lot of them being from NY/NJ and you get AHOLE squared.

And cyclists are angels... We GET it...

Topspinmo
02-19-2022, 07:51 AM
My wife has almost been hit by bicycles several times when out walking. Never had an issue with a golf cart.

Me? I rarely, if ever walk on the MMPs, so I can't comment on personal experience.

But when driving my golf cart, I've yet to have a problem with either bikers or pedestrians...


Yet.:icon_wink:

Topspinmo
02-19-2022, 07:55 AM
Under the laws of virtually every state in the nation, including Florida, ebikes are to be considered bicycles in almost every situation. Many places do limit speeds for ebikes, generally 20 mph.


Yep, just like golf cart speed limited.

Topspinmo
02-19-2022, 07:56 AM
And cyclists are angels... We GET it...

Well, they both got them… :)

Topspinmo
02-19-2022, 08:08 AM
I posted the loud bike horn reply, Loud Bicycle | Car horn for bikes (http://www.loudbicycle.com)

Topspinmo posted a disingenuous reply that ebikes are the same as mopeds, in other words these are "vehicles" that require licensure by the state and by extension should not be allowed on the MMPs.

Ebikes, by definition of the Federal Government are essentially bicycles. Motor vehicles i.e. cars, motorcycles and mopeds fall under part 49 of the US Code of Federal regulations as well as other CFR parts which define what a vehicle is.

Bicycles and electric bikes fall under the jurisdiction of the Consumer Product Safety Commission. The CPSC also details what an ebike is, not any poster reading this thinks it is. In addition our Governor in the summer of 2020 signed into law a change to Florida statutes that ebikes are allowed everywhere bicycles are allowed.

I like to think my post shuts down idiotic replies but I know better...


I did not say they were, but the function the same way. I can have opinion just like you with you big illegal horn.

JMintzer
02-19-2022, 08:27 AM
Yet.:icon_wink:

No, probably forever. Yes, people will do stupid things. I've been cut off on the roundabouts, several times. I simply keep an eye out for that.

I don't "lose my proverbial sh*t" every time it happens...

I saw a Prius, come out of the MMP onto Pinellas a few months ago. How the hell she got ON the MMP escapes me! My buddy and I (coming home from golf) gave a collective "WTF?" and then started laughing at the absurdity of it all...

I simple shake my head, laugh at the idiots, and get on with my life...

John-US
02-19-2022, 08:30 AM
The cart people....with the cyclops headlight that blinds everyone.. or god forbid if you get behind the large man who can barely fit behind the wheel, knee showing out the side -- smoking a cigar to boot and the 1976 golf cart which hasn't had a tune up since the carter admin. which smells like raw fuel to high heaven. The lady folks need to skip the bakery isle too - wow how did they manage to eat themselves into a better parking space then the rest of us?? Get behind that and let me know how it goes.

The bicycle guys ... over 65 in tight spandex with multiple supporting names platered on them like they really are in the olympics ..big ole tummy and ortho hose and they spit at every turn from drinking colt45 from a can -- yeah that's no picnic being behind them either.

:duck:

Lighten up.. we won't be here forever!

JMintzer
02-19-2022, 08:32 AM
The cart people....with the cyclops headlight that blinds everyone.. or god forbid if you get behind the large man who can barely fit behind the wheel, knee showing out the side -- smoking a cigar to boot and the 1976 golf cart which hasn't had a tune up since the carter admin. which smells like raw fuel to high heaven. The lady folks need to skip the bakery isle too - wow how did they manage to eat themselves into a better parking space then the rest of us?? Get behind that and let me know how it goes.

The bicycle guys ... over 65 in tight spandex with multiple supporting names platered on them like they really are in the olympics ..big ole tummy and ortho hose and they spit at every turn from drinking colt45 from a can -- yeah that's no picnic being behind them either.

:duck:

Lighten up.. we won't be here forever!

You might want to take your own advice...

Oh, and "fat shaming" never looks good on anyone...

bimmertl
02-19-2022, 09:34 AM
316.271 Horns and warning devices.—
(1) Every motor vehicle when operated upon a highway shall be equipped with a horn in good working order and capable of emitting sound audible under normal conditions from a distance of not less than 200 feet.
(2) No horn or other warning device shall emit an unreasonably loud or harsh sound or a whistle.
(3) The driver of a motor vehicle shall, when reasonably necessary to ensure safe operation, give audible warning with his or her horn, but shall not otherwise use such horn when upon a highway.
(4) No vehicle shall be equipped with, nor shall any person use upon a vehicle, any siren, whistle, or bell, except as otherwise permitted in this section.
(5) It is permissible but not required that any vehicle be equipped with a theft alarm signal device which is so arranged that it cannot be used by the driver as an ordinary warning signal.
(6) Every authorized emergency vehicle shall be equipped with a siren, whistle, or bell capable of emitting sound audible under normal conditions from a distance of not less than 500 feet and of a type approved by the department, but such siren, whistle, or bell shall not be used except when the vehicle is operated in response to an emergency call or in the immediate pursuit of an actual or suspected violator of the law, in which event the driver of the vehicle shall sound the siren, whistle, or bell when reasonably necessary to warn pedestrians and other drivers of the approach thereof.
(7) Notwithstanding the other provisions of this section, a trolley may be equipped with a bell, and the bell is not required to be used only as a warning device. As used in this subsection, the term “trolley” includes any bus which resembles a streetcar, which is powered by overhead electric wires or is self-propelled, and which is used primarily as a public conveyance.
(8) A violation of this section is a noncriminal traffic infraction, punishable as a nonmoving violation as provided in chapter 318.
History.—s. 1, ch. 71-135; s. 4, ch. 86-36; s. 1, ch. 88-91; s. 325, ch. 95-148; s. 203, ch. 99-248.

The MMP's aren't "highways". This statute doesn't apply to the issue being discussed.

MX rider
02-19-2022, 10:53 AM
The cart people....with the cyclops headlight that blinds everyone.. or god forbid if you get behind the large man who can barely fit behind the wheel, knee showing out the side -- smoking a cigar to boot and the 1976 golf cart which hasn't had a tune up since the carter admin. which smells like raw fuel to high heaven. The lady folks need to skip the bakery isle too - wow how did they manage to eat themselves into a better parking space then the rest of us?? Get behind that and let me know how it goes.

The bicycle guys ... over 65 in tight spandex with multiple supporting names platered on them like they really are in the olympics ..big ole tummy and ortho hose and they spit at every turn from drinking colt45 from a can -- yeah that's no picnic being behind them either.

:duck:

Lighten up.. we won't be here forever!

LMFAO!!! Great post.
My wife and I both mountain bike. We avoid the spandex, even though we're both very fit. Nothing wrong with it on fit people, but I crack up as well when I see guys with beer guts squeezed into those outfits.

Do they really think they look good? Oh well, to each their own I guess.

Mrprez
02-19-2022, 11:12 AM
The MMP's aren't "highways". This statute doesn't apply to the issue being discussed.

Never said it did. I was responding to the bad advice about using your horn.

John-US
02-19-2022, 11:13 AM
You might want to take your own advice...

Oh, and "fat shaming" never looks good on anyone...

HAHHA- said the people holding the bagel (no cream cheese cause TV friends bought it all)

jimjamuser
02-19-2022, 01:03 PM
As members of the Sumter Bike Club we are told to "own the path" so we dont get run off into the edge of the pavement where tires can get caught causing an accident. Golf cars in a hurry can go into the grass and pass without safety worries like this.
That sounds like an invitation to a rumble that the bike guys won't win.........bad advice!

jimjamuser
02-19-2022, 01:21 PM
Right, when one passed my in my golf cart going up hill 25 plus mph and not peddling.
Most models ARE limited to 20 mph because SOME states require that in order to not need a license plate. Florida is probably very permissive like they are about most things, the wild west. SOME models can go 35 MPH. There is even one that can go 65 MPH, but it costs about $15,000, and who knows where that would be legal? And no human could pedal at that speed even if it came with pedals. And I have no idea how that would be distinct from an electric motorcycle?????

jimjamuser
02-19-2022, 01:30 PM
I have an e-bike and don't know of any that go 25 mph, 20 is the max.
Well, yes there are some that can go 35MPH. There are many, many manufacturers and models. There is even a Chinese company that makes a titanium frame model for lightness. Lots of varieties to choose from.

Bruce3055
02-19-2022, 01:34 PM
As members of the Sumter Bike Club we are told to "own the path" so we dont get run off into the edge of the pavement where tires can get caught causing an accident. Golf cars in a hurry can go into the grass and pass without safety worries like this.

When I first started riding a bike on the MMPs I stayed on the side to let carts pass. I quickly found that was dangerous as some carts would almost side swipe me as they went by. And if I'm on the side I'm at risk of getting wacked by a low hanging branch as a cart zips by me with 6" clearance.

I now ride the middle of the path on my side for my safety and carts coming from the other direction. Carts are less likely to attempt to "sqweeze by me if I own the path.

It would be nice if we all embraced the Villages as a bicycle friendly community. And thankfully many folks do.

Most folks are retired and if they are in a real hurry, they could drive a car and avoid being self righteous on the MMPs .

jimjamuser
02-19-2022, 01:49 PM
Yet.:icon_wink:
Since we are talking about cyclists, I would say that I find it strange that so many cyclists (or ANY 2 wheeled vehicle) regularly wear BLACK shirts and pants, also some pedestrians. I try to wear white or some blaze orange or yellow shirt or vest. I would not even buy a black bicycle. I know black is fashionable, but I have been hoping that it goes out of fashion for about 5 years now. I know that I am tired of the concept.

Topspinmo
02-19-2022, 06:25 PM
No, probably forever. Yes, people will do stupid things. I've been cut off on the roundabouts, several times. I simply keep an eye out for that.

I don't "lose my proverbial sh*t" every time it happens...

I saw a Prius, come out of the MMP onto Pinellas a few months ago. How the hell she got ON the MMP escapes me! My buddy and I (coming home from golf) gave a collective "WTF?" and then started laughing at the absurdity of it all...

I simple shake my head, laugh at the idiots, and get on with my life...

WTF = where the fish 🐟! :1rotfl:

Topspinmo
02-19-2022, 06:29 PM
The cart people....with the cyclops headlight that blinds everyone.. or god forbid if you get behind the large man who can barely fit behind the wheel, knee showing out the side -- smoking a cigar to boot and the 1976 golf cart which hasn't had a tune up since the carter admin. which smells like raw fuel to high heaven. The lady folks need to skip the bakery isle too - wow how did they manage to eat themselves into a better parking space then the rest of us?? Get behind that and let me know how it goes.

The bicycle guys ... over 65 in tight spandex with multiple supporting names platered on them like they really are in the olympics ..big ole tummy and ortho hose and they spit at every turn from drinking colt45 from a can -- yeah that's no picnic being behind them either.

:duck:

Lighten up.. we won't be here forever!

cyclops headlight


Those are off road lights and by Florida law are supposed to covered up when on roads and only to be used Off road. There are no off roads in villages and little law enforcement IMO.

MorTech
02-20-2022, 04:11 AM
You might want to take your own advice...

Oh, and "fat shaming" never looks good on anyone...

Obesity is always a good look on anyone...We GET it...

MorTech
02-20-2022, 04:15 AM
...And you have the mindless monkey-children who only know how to operate their accelerator pedal as an on/off switch :)

I now see a lot of bicycles out at 4:00AM because they have the roads/paths to themselves.

Chase219
02-20-2022, 08:04 AM
First of all bicycles and walkers should not be on a golf cart path that is why they are Called golf cart paths Bicycles and walkers have their own paths Strictly for walkers and bicycles, Bicycle and walk on 75 or the FL Turnpike, So many bicycles are flying on the golf cart paths thinking they are invincible Someone is going to get hit one day the way they fly around the tunnels and then they cry if a golf cart gets to close to them it is ridiculous, the bicycle rider is supposed to obey all the rules of the road when riding especially on a road the best advice for you is to stay off the golf cart paths and go to a park Stay off the roads.

Chellybean
02-20-2022, 08:23 AM
First of all bicycles and walkers should not be on a golf cart path that is why they are Called golf cart paths Bicycles and walkers have their own paths Strictly for walkers and bicycles, Bicycle and walk on 75 or the FL Turnpike, So many bicycles are flying on the golf cart paths thinking they are invincible Someone is going to get hit one day the way they fly around the tunnels and then they cry if a golf cart gets to close to them it is ridiculous, the bicycle rider is supposed to obey all the rules of the road when riding especially on a road the best advice for you is to stay off the golf cart paths and go to a park Stay off the roads.

Sound like a entitled statement or is it just a AHOLE statement, Unbelieveable!!!!

Cjskld
02-20-2022, 08:23 AM
Why is it that People driving a golf cart on a golf cart path think they can run bicyclist off the path and swear at them?
I almost seen two carts hit bicyclist today. What are these peoples problem and why do they think they rule the golf cart paths?
Is this entitlement or just complete AHOLES ?
Lets see how much trouble this post causes?

Yesterday, a cyclist weaved from one side of the path to the other. We couldn’t figure out a sensible real for this. As the golf cart line continued to build to about 4 deep, the cyclist continued to weave his “S”pattern down the multi-modal path. We didn’t know what to do. It was obvious now that he was not sharing the path through Chitty-Chatty. We did decide to leave the path to pass, after others did so.
He was a true jerk.

Chellybean
02-20-2022, 08:30 AM
Yesterday, a cyclist weaved from one side of the path to the other. We couldn’t figure out a sensible real for this. As the golf cart line continued to build to about 4 deep, the cyclist continued to weave his “S”pattern down the multi-modal path. We didn’t know what to do. It was obvious now that he was not sharing the path through Chitty-Chatty. We did decide to leave the path to pass, after others did so.
He was a true jerk.

Of course there are jerks on both sides of the equation, but the point is a golf cart can do a great deal of damage to a bike rider, but i never heard of a bike hurting a golf car. do you get my point or do i need to explain further?

VApeople
02-20-2022, 08:50 AM
First of all bicycles and walkers should not be on a golf cart path that is why they are Called golf cart paths Bicycles and walkers have their own paths Strictly for walkers and bicycles, Bicycle and walk on 75 or the FL Turnpike, So many bicycles are flying on the golf cart paths thinking they are invincible Someone is going to get hit one day the way they fly around the tunnels and then they cry if a golf cart gets to close to them it is ridiculous, the bicycle rider is supposed to obey all the rules of the road when riding especially on a road the best advice for you is to stay off the golf cart paths and go to a park Stay off the roads.

Sound like a entitled statement or is it just a AHOLE statement, Unbelieveable!!!!

Chelly, if you were biking or walking on an MMP, would you like it if Chase219 pulled up behind you?

We like to walk the trail around Hogeye Sink even though that means we have to walk along an MMP for a short section. We always walk single file facing the cart traffic and we get off the MMP when we see a golf cart coming.

Michread
02-20-2022, 08:51 AM
Thank you so much for kindly moving to the right and letting others pass. Many bike riders ride in the center of the path, and the road, and refuse to let golf carts or cars pass even though they are much slower than the speed limit. It would be so easy for them to move to the right and let others go by. Some refuse.

No, I take up the whole lane because when I move to the right of the lane the carts pass me too close!

When they are passing, I then move to the right so they don’t pass so close to me.

They are NOT golf cart paths! They are multi-modal.

MX rider
02-20-2022, 09:32 AM
No, I take up the whole lane because when I move to the right of the lane the carts pass me too close!

When they are passing, I then move to the right so they don’t pass so close to me.

They are NOT golf cart paths! They are multi-modal.

I can't believe there are so many idiots that call them golf cart paths. Not real hard to understand the term "multi modal".

Toymeister
02-20-2022, 04:47 PM
Here's my running count of cart drivers bad behavior as observed while I cycled, this covers four running days over 93.8 miles mostly on MMPs, pedestrian paths, bridges, tunnels, surface streets (within the bubble) where the only option is the street.

SIX instances of golf cart chicken (it occurred every day). Most were on curves or places of limited view.

THREE instances of cars danger close to bikes where bikes are present and expected to be present. To be crystal clear this is not a count of someone getting close a a cyclist in a diamond lane on a road.

By any measure that's not acceptable. In every instance the cyclist did nothing wrong or unexpected.

To balance my observations, cyclists DID fail to take their lane making it easier for carts to "share a lane", this encourages bad cart drivers to get too close to you. Never leave so much room by staying to the right that a lane share can occur.

Equipment: many did not have a mirror. None had an attention getting auto horn for bikes, source: Loud Bicycle | Car horn for bikes (http://www.loudbicycle.com). On pedestrian paths almost none had a bell, spend the 12.99 on Amazon and buy a real one, throw away that two dollar bell that came with your bike. Stop frightening walkers, it's rude.

None of the cyclists where observed doing anything which physically endangered any one. NINE cart and automobile drivers did. So, about every ten miles traveled on your bike you will run across someone who feels that your life has little value.

This is so common that cyclists don't think about it.

Love2Swim
02-20-2022, 06:55 PM
No, I take up the whole lane because when I move to the right of the lane the carts pass me too close!

When they are passing, I then move to the right so they don’t pass so close to me.

They are NOT golf cart paths! They are multi-modal.


Thank you! They are NOT golf cart paths, they are trails which are to be used for bicycles, walkers, joggers, and carts. And really they are a poorly designed. You have golf carts zooming around at 20-25mph, walkers going 3 mph, and bicycles 12-15 mph, all sharing the same space. There is bound to be conflict, especially when you have the golf cart drivers thinking the trail belongs to them and cyclists don't belong there.

JMintzer
02-20-2022, 09:15 PM
Obesity is always a good look on anyone...We GET it...

Who said that? Oh, right... it was you...

JMintzer
02-20-2022, 09:22 PM
Here's my running count of cart drivers bad behavior as observed while I cycled, this covers four running days over 93.8 miles mostly on MMPs, pedestrian paths, bridges, tunnels, surface streets (within the bubble) where the only option is the street.

SIX instances of golf cart chicken (it occurred every day). Most were on curves or places of limited view.

THREE instances of cars danger close to bikes where bikes are present and expected to be present. To be crystal clear this is not a count of someone getting close a a cyclist in a diamond lane on a road.

By any measure that's not acceptable. In every instance the cyclist did nothing wrong or unexpected.

To balance my observations, cyclists DID fail to take their lane making it easier for carts to "share a lane", this encourages bad cart drivers to get too close to you. Never leave so much room by staying to the right that a lane share can occur.

Equipment: many did not have a mirror. None had an attention getting auto horn for bikes, source: Loud Bicycle | Car horn for bikes (http://www.loudbicycle.com). On pedestrian paths almost none had a bell, spend the 12.99 on Amazon and buy a real one, throw away that two dollar bell that came with your bike. Stop frightening walkers, it's rude.

None of the cyclists where observed doing anything which physically endangered any one. NINE cart and automobile drivers did. So, about every ten miles traveled on your bike you will run across someone who feels that your life has little value.

This is so common that cyclists don't think about it.

So, none of the cyclists blew thru stop signs, or ran red lights when they didn't see cars coming?

I see that daily...

I simply shake my head... Knowing that it's their own life they're fooling with...

Davonu
02-20-2022, 10:55 PM
So, none of the cyclists blew thru stop signs, or ran red lights when they didn't see cars coming?

I see that daily...

I simply shake my head... Knowing that it's their own life they're fooling with...
And we all know that every cart driver comes to a complete stop at every stop sign.

golfing eagles
02-20-2022, 11:06 PM
And we all know that every cart driver comes to a complete stop at every stop sign.

Probably not. On the other hand I've never seen 20 carts blow through a stop or yield sign as a single group, especially with automobile traffic coming at them.

JMintzer
02-21-2022, 06:48 AM
And we all know that every cart driver comes to a complete stop at every stop sign.

Great answer to a question I didn't ask...

JMintzer
02-21-2022, 06:51 AM
Probably not. On the other hand I've never seen 20 carts blow through a stop or yield sign as a single group, especially with automobile traffic coming at them.

But it's the "entitled golf cart drivers" fault that they do that!

Funny, I do remember seeing a sign somewhere that said, "The Villages... A GOLF CART Community"...

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Chellybean
02-21-2022, 10:34 AM
The bottomline is you can't fix stupid or the entitled Golf cart driver untill some biker or jogger/walker punches there lights out.
UGHHHHH unbelieveable the idiot views on this post, of they should bike on the road.
Like that can be a safer resolution, ask the biker that has been hit by a car and see the answer they are given, assuming they servived.

golfing eagles
02-21-2022, 10:40 AM
The bottomline is you can't fix stupid or the entitled Golf cart driver untill some biker or jogger/walker punches there lights out.
UGHHHHH unbelieveable the idiot views on this post, of they should bike on the road.
Like that can be a safer resolution, ask the biker that has been hit by a car and see the answer they are given, assuming they servived.

I agree with you, as far as you went. Now, would we like to address the entitled bike riders???????

Davonu
02-21-2022, 11:03 AM
Great answer to a question I didn't ask...
Nobody said you did.

JMintzer
02-21-2022, 05:20 PM
The bottomline is you can't fix stupid or the entitled Golf cart driver untill some biker or jogger/walker punches there lights out.
UGHHHHH unbelieveable the idiot views on this post, of they should bike on the road.
Like that can be a safer resolution, ask the biker that has been hit by a car and see the answer they are given, assuming they servived.

Just below your "bottom line" are the "idiot" cyclists who ride 2-3 abreast, blocking anyone from passing them and the "idiot" pedestrians, who don't walk facing traffic, also walking 2-3 abreast putting themselves in danger...

And be careful, when you try to "punch out the lights" of some "entitled (possibly the most overused word on this board) golf cart driver. You may rue that day...

JMintzer
02-21-2022, 05:22 PM
Nobody said you did.

Well, you did respond to my question... So there's that...

Happydaz
02-21-2022, 06:39 PM
I was chatting with a friend recently when he mentioned that The Villages has become a much less friendly place. He said there is a lot of anger around and I tend to agree him. Nine years ago when I moved here, people seemed less hurried and more polite. Now everyone is in a rush to get somewhere and they show less tolerance and politeness. This thread seems to show the same trend. A lot of angry posts are showing up lately. Why the hostility? I moved here to slow down, enjoy the lifestyle, and make new friends. I didn’t move here to yell at bicyclists, walkers, joggers, golf cart drivers, and auto drivers. Maybe we have grown too fast and too large?

JMintzer
02-21-2022, 07:53 PM
I was chatting with a friend recently when he mentioned that The Villages has become a much less friendly place. He said there is a lot of anger around and I tend to agree him. Nine years ago when I moved here, people seemed less hurried and more polite. Now everyone is in a rush to get somewhere and they show less tolerance and politeness. This thread seems to show the same trend. A lot of angry posts are showing up lately. Why the hostility? I moved here to slow down, enjoy the lifestyle, and make new friends. I didn’t move here to yell at bicyclists, walkers, joggers, golf cart drivers, and auto drivers. Maybe we have grown too fast and too large?

It's not just TV...

It's nation wide. It's on FaceBook, Twitter. It's coming from our elected representatives, as well. People are people wherever they are...

I wouldn't expect it to be any different here...

Chellybean
02-22-2022, 11:29 AM
Yesterday i viewed a golf cart passing a biker going downhill to a tunnel with no way out for the on coming traffic.
There was 10 feet walls on bothsides.
The idiot almost hit head on coming traffic coming out of the tunnel, the oncoming traffic stopped short of the stop line and barely missed this idiot.
Twice I've seen this happen this week, now all the anti bike people try to justify this action.
I call it entitlement AHOLE Person!

JMintzer
02-22-2022, 02:57 PM
Yesterday i viewed a golf cart passing a biker going downhill to a tunnel with no way out for the on coming traffic.
There was 10 feet walls on bothsides.
The idiot almost hit head on coming traffic coming out of the tunnel, the oncoming traffic stopped short of the stop line and barely missed this idiot.
Twice I've seen this happen this week, now all the anti bike people try to justify this action.
I call it entitlement AHOLE Person!

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