Saudi Golf League and Mickelson

[jebartle]

:popcorn::popcorn: hmmmmm! Now who is greedy?????

[JMintzer]

For wanting to keep what's his? Certainly not Phil...

Did you actually read WHY he's doing this?

[jebartle]

For wanting to keep what's his? Certainly not Phil...

Did you actually read WHY he's doing this?

I did.... we all derive different conclusions.....

[JMintzer]

I did.... we all derive different conclusions.....

Yeah, not wanting to pay $MILLIONS for his own likeness is the definition of greed...

[Topspinmo]

:popcorn::popcorn: hmmmmm! Now who is greedy?????
Hmmmmmmm, who cares!

[blueash]

Yeah, not wanting to pay $MILLIONS for his own likeness is the definition of greed...

When he agreed to accept the millions of dollars he's made playing in PGA events, part of the contract was, and still is, that the PGA owns the images from its events. You don't like that because you like Phil...

So I ask, are you upset that Colin Kaepernick and OBJ [NFL], and LeBron James and James Harden [NBA], and Aaron Judge [MLB], and PK Subban [NHL] also might have no rights to images from games they play??

Part of how professional leagues make money is by owning and selling images of their product. And the money they make is part of why they can then pay the players so much. Phil wants it both ways... he wants high payment for playing, and he wants to control his own images if your statement is correct that such is his concern.

He is free to sell his face for commercial profit, and he does, a lot. He just is not allowed to use PGA event images. Poor Phil.

[jebartle]

Poor Phil, hmmmmm!, 400 million plus.

[golfing eagles]

When he agreed to accept the millions of dollars he's made playing in PGA events, part of the contract was, and still is, that the PGA owns the images from its events. You don't like that because you like Phil...

So I ask, are you upset that Colin Kaepernick and OBJ [NFL], and LeBron James and James Harden [NBA], and Aaron Judge [MLB], and PK Subban [NHL] also might have no rights to images from games they play??

Part of how professional leagues make money is by owning and selling images of their product. And the money they make is part of why they can then pay the players so much. Phil wants it both ways... he wants high payment for playing, and he wants to control his own images if your statement is correct that such is his concern.

He is free to sell his face for commercial profit, and he does, a lot. He just is not allowed to use PGA event images. Poor Phil.

Please don't mention Phil Mickelson and Colin Kaepernick in the same thread.

[justjim]

I have read in several different articles and newspaper columns that Phil has blown millions on a serious gambling problem. He certainly has the personality (risk taking) for it. That said, he loves the attention he is getting regarding his comments on the possible new Tour. Phil loves to promote himself. Of course he is not in that boat by himself. The few that make it to the PGA tour should be thankful because they are truly blessed with the golfing skills that most of us “duffers” are envious of and the money they make wouldn’t be bad either. Fore!

[JoMar]

When you are the only game in town (PGA) you make all the rules and those that want to play are either in or out. When a competitor shows up rules change. I suspect the PGA will adjust their hold on the players.

[JMintzer]

When he agreed to accept the millions of dollars he's made playing in PGA events, part of the contract was, and still is, that the PGA owns the images from its events. You don't like that because you like Phil...

So I ask, are you upset that Colin Kaepernick and OBJ [NFL], and LeBron James and James Harden [NBA], and Aaron Judge [MLB], and PK Subban [NHL] also might have no rights to images from games they play??

Part of how professional leagues make money is by owning and selling images of their product. And the money they make is part of why they can then pay the players so much. Phil wants it both ways... he wants high payment for playing, and he wants to control his own images if your statement is correct that such is his concern.

He is free to sell his face for commercial profit, and he does, a lot. He just is not allowed to use PGA event images. Poor Phil.

Nice try at changing the subject...

If the NFL, NBA NHO and MLB players were complaining about it, yes I would support them...

And silly me, I always thought it was the sponsors (like WM) who paid the purses...

The PGA has turned into the IOC, imho... Poor PGA...

[JMintzer]

Poor Phil, hmmmmm!, 400 million plus.

You don't wear jealousy well...

[JMintzer]

When you are the only game in town (PGA) you make all the rules and those that want to play are either in or out. When a competitor shows up rules change. I suspect the PGA will adjust their hold on the players.

Yup...

[kcrazorbackfan]

:popcorn::popcorn: hmmmmm! Now who is greedy?????

He has become the Aaron Rogers of the PGA Tour; a whining baby.

[DaleDivine]

Please don't mention Phil Mickelson and Colin Kaepernick in the same thread.

Amen to that...
:ohdear::ohdear:

[JMintzer]

He has become the Aaron Rogers of the PGA Tour; a whining baby.

Wait, I thought he was "entitled"?

[rjn5656]

Only the has beens of the tour will be joining. Ones on their way out. I have always liked Phil but this is the way of extending his career.

[JMintzer]

Only the has beens of the tour will be joining. Ones on their way out. I have always liked Phil but this is the way of extending his career.

The PGA has had the Senior Tour for decades...

[donassaid]

I agree with you. Just how much money does one person need? Used to be a big Mickelson fan but fed up with his greed and his threats to hold the PGA hostage to his demands. Personally, I think the "Player Impact Fee" is a joke. All professional athletes are paid on their performance and on advertising revenue, not on their "impact" to the sport. Just another way to reward those who are already making a killing. If Phil is that unhappy, maybe he could go back to selling shoes.

[JMintzer]

I agree with you. Just how much money does one person need? Used to be a big Mickelson fan but fed up with his greed and his threats to hold the PGA hostage to his demands. Personally, I think the "Player Impact Fee" is a joke. All professional athletes are paid on their performance and on advertising revenue, not on their "impact" to the sport. Just another way to reward those who are already making a killing. If Phil is that unhappy, maybe he could go back to selling shoes.

NEED? Who are you (or anyone else for that matter) to determine what someone needs?

[blueash]

Nice try at changing the subject...

If the NFL, NBA NHO and MLB players were complaining about it, yes I would support them...

And silly me, I always thought it was the sponsors (like WM) who paid the purses...

The PGA has turned into the IOC, imho... Poor PGA...

You post saying:
Yeah, not wanting to pay $MILLIONS for his own likeness is the definition of greed...
And I post a list of other people who also would have to pay money for use of their own images because they also play professional sports..
and you accuse me of changing the subject

According to THIS (https://golftips.golfweek.usatoday.com/golf-purse-20543.html) you are silly.

[SHIBUMI]

Many Many years ago, Greg Norman tried to start a tour of the best players. It fell dead. Now he is trying to do it again. Guys like Phil are prime for this. His playing ability is fading and all thats left is the senior tour. Not enough money for him......Phil is actually worth around 800 million.... If he donated to charity as much as he gambled the people in his state would have no hungry homeless. Its just a money grab.
Norman is the culprit here again, did you know he purposely missed his 2nd shot at the Masters to let Jack Nicklaus win! Here again, Norman cant play anymore so he is deep water fishing for money. And he has made a ton off of his business's, smart man, but still has a squishy side, just like Phil. You post saying:

And I post a list of other people who also would have to pay money for use of their own images because they also play professional sports..
and you accuse me of changing the subject

According to THIS (https://golftips.golfweek.usatoday.com/golf-purse-20543.html) you are silly.

[sloanst]

Thanks for explaining. Makes perfect sense.

[mikemalloy]

When you are the only game in town (PGA) you make all the rules and those that want to play are either in or out. When a competitor shows up rules change. I suspect the PGA will adjust their hold on the players.

There are tours all over the world for professional golfers including Europe, Asia, India, Korea, Japan, Australia, and South Africa to name a few. Many of the golfers from those regions prefer to play on the US PGA tour because of the money and competition.

[JMintzer]

You post saying:

And I post a list of other people who also would have to pay money for use of their own images because they also play professional sports..
and you accuse me of changing the subject

According to THIS (https://golftips.golfweek.usatoday.com/golf-purse-20543.html) you are silly.

Thank you for proving me correct about the prize money...

Saved me the time...

[JMintzer]

Many Many years ago, Greg Norman tried to start a tour of the best players. It fell dead. Now he is trying to do it again. Guys like Phil are prime for this. His playing ability is fading and all thats left is the senior tour. Not enough money for him......Phil is actually worth around 800 million.... If he donated to charity as much as he gambled the people in his state would have no hungry homeless. Its just a money grab.
Norman is the culprit here again, did you know he purposely missed his 2nd shot at the Masters to let Jack Nicklaus win! Here again, Norman cant play anymore so he is deep water fishing for money. And he has made a ton off of his business's, smart man, but still has a squishy side, just like Phil.

When did you become Mickleson's accountant?

[tvbound]

Many Many years ago, Greg Norman tried to start a tour of the best players. It fell dead. Now he is trying to do it again. Guys like Phil are prime for this. His playing ability is fading and all thats left is the senior tour. Not enough money for him......Phil is actually worth around 800 million.... If he donated to charity as much as he gambled the people in his state would have no hungry homeless. Its just a money grab.
Norman is the culprit here again, did you know he purposely missed his 2nd shot at the Masters to let Jack Nicklaus win! Here again, Norman cant play anymore so he is deep water fishing for money. And he has made a ton off of his business's, smart man, but still has a squishy side, just like Phil.

"purposely missed his 2nd shot at the Masters to let Jack Nicklaus win."

Say what?! Is the earth really flat also? lol




Norman's idea of a separate tour back in the early 90's, was the impetus behind the eventual creation of WGC events, so he wasn't totally off in trying to establish something between the majors and regular tour events. I also read that Norman is somehow involved with Phil and this Saudi tour thing - but who knows? Worth an estimated $400M, I doubt Norman is losing sleep on figuring out how to make a few extra bucks.

[jebartle]

NEED? Who are you (or anyone else for that matter) to determine what someone needs?

Some statements are getting a little sassy!

[SHIBUMI]

benevolence is not Normans or Michelson motive, money loves money especially when its easy......

[SHIBUMI]

check the 86 masters video, 18th Hole for Norman, he bagged the 2nd shot 30 yards off line and bagged the putt,
the nite before he had spent 2 hours with Jack on his porch as reported by Barbara, Norman NOT Jack choreographed
the finish. He took one for the team.......but made it look acceptable....

[tvbound]

check the 86 masters video, 18th Hole for Norman, he bagged the 2nd shot 30 yards off line and bagged the putt,
the nite before he had spent 2 hours with Jack on his porch as reported by Barbara, Norman NOT Jack choreographed
the finish. He took one for the team.......but made it look acceptable....

Yeah, sure. LOL

[tophcfa]

I remember a few years back Phil got a lot of grief for suggesting he was considering moving his primary residence away from California to avoid the outrageous state taxes on his earnings. I have never been a huge fan of Phil, but I will never criticize someone for wanting to make (or keep) whatever earnings they can legitimately make.

[rjn5656]

Phil - pack your bags and see if it is better over there. You won't be missed. PGA will survive without you.

[JMintzer]

Some statements are getting a little sassy!

https://media3.giphy.com/media/l0IymiszgmwwfB5K0/200.gif

[bagboy]

Yeah, sure. LOL

I agree with your assessment of Norman. His account of the 18th hole is available online. Claims he hit a soft 4 iron instead of a hard 5 iron, and blocked it far right. I saw and heard him mistreat fans one year at The Memorial, an image I've never forgotten. Jerks usually don't take anything for anyone but themselves.

[Lindsyburnsy]

I know! One has morals and the other one plays golf.

[jebartle]

Looks like Phil double-downed with support for Saudi's. Bottom line, it's all about the money.

[JMintzer]

Looks like Phil double-downed with support for Saudi's. Bottom line, it's all about the money.

Isn't everything?

[B-flat]

Please don't mention Phil Mickelson and Colin Kaepernick in the same thread.

Double DITTO!!

[jebartle]

:popcorn::popcorn: hmmmmm! Now who is greedy?????

Looks like money talks, not buying to quote Phil, "its better for golf", no its really better for Phil's pocket, can't blame him, his life, his decision.

[tophcfa]

Looks like money talks, not buying to quote Phil, "its better for golf", no its really better for Phil's pocket, can't blame him, his life, his decision.

I am both surprised and saddened that one of my favorite golfers, Dustin Johnson, has also opted to play the Saudi Tour.

[Badger 2006]

He has become the Aaron Rogers of the PGA Tour; a whining baby.

So Aaron RODGERS said the NFL were greedy bastards and said he was OK the Saudi’s killing an American Journalist? Not so! Let’s compare Apples with Apples. Rodger’s did nothing to discredit the NFL in his contract negotiations. I realize professional athletes are being paid insane amounts for their talents and as long as the owners and sport developers are willing to pay, that’s entertainment. Phil went too far with his comments and regretted doing so. It had nothing to do with contract negotiations.

[Badger 2006]

I am both surprised and saddened that one of my favorite golfers, Dustin Johnson, has also opted to play the Saudi Tour.

Looks like competition just hit the PGA Tour. Whole new combined individual and team competition with many interesting twists. Time will tell.

[charlieo1126@gmail.com]

If you want to take the money that’s fine , at least these guys said the money was the reason. , but Phil being Phil talks about he’s doing it to make the tour better .I’ve always found it humorous when the talk is about greedy athletes but how wonderful pro golfers are, now you can see that there just like the athletes some despise on here , at least the other non golfing athletes have a skill , one other funny thing is a pro football or NBA guy gets a DUI and he is ( well fill all the names you want to call him ) but John Daly and tiger get passes , me I don’t care but people you can’t have it both ways but we all know why you do

[Topspinmo]

If you want to take the money that’s fine , at least these guys said the money was the reason. , but Phil being Phil talks about he’s doing it to make the tour better .I’ve always found it humorous when the talk is about greedy athletes but how wonderful pro golfers are, now you can see that there just like the athletes some despise on here , at least the other non golfing athletes have a skill , one other funny thing is a pro football or NBA guy gets a DUI and he is ( well fill all the names you want to call him ) but John Daly and tiger get passes , me I don’t care but people you can’t have it both ways but we all know why you do


As far as NBA and NFL DUIs are mild to what those guys get into.
IMO John daily has never got a pass. He never was one of the gods of golf. He made it cause he could hit golf ball 340 plus yards. Two clubs pass other competitor’s and he still struggled on and off course. As for tiger IMO probably the biggest waste of talent in golf. He could of been so much more.

[Topspinmo]

Looks like competition just hit the PGA Tour. Whole new combined individual and team competition with many interesting twists. Time will tell.

Saudi’s have plenty of cash to buy what they want.

[Stu from NYC]

Saudi’s have plenty of cash to buy what they want.

Have they found sponsors or a tv network to show their tournaments?

[Boston-Sean]

Looks like everyone who claimed only has beens would join are wrong. Very wrong.

Players used to play the Ryder Cup for free until Tiger spoke up. The PGA was making a killing while the Players got squat.

Hopefully these players will still get to play the majors. I really don't care if they are banned from the Waffle House championship in Topeka.

As for Saudi Blood Money, Saudi Arabia is one of our most important allies. Without their stewardship of the oil markets the world economy would collapse. They continue to buy billions in military hardware from us and Biden will soon be going there to beg the Saudis to pump more oil. (Side note: even if they do there is no more refining capacity to handle more oil)

There is a LIV event in Boston in September. I'll tell Phil you guys said hello.

[eweissenbach]

Please don't mention Phil Mickelson and Colin Kaepernick in the same thread.

Tru dat! kaepernick is far more principled! Kaepernick walked away from millions for his principles, Mickelson walked away from his principles for millions of dirty money.

[JMintzer]

Tru dat! kaepernick is far more principled! Kaepernick walked away from millions for his principles, Mickelson walked away from his principles for millions of dirty money.

Kaepernick was a bench warmer who has made $MILLIONS more for his "principles" than he ever would have made in the NFL...

And I suggest you not probe too deep into how the NFL owners made their "clean" money...

[charlieo1126@gmail.com]

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[charlieo1126@gmail.com]

Tru dat! kaepernick is far more principled! Kaepernick walked away from millions for his principles, Mickelson walked away from his principles for millions of dirty money. I approve of this POST

[JMintzer]

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He had a 37-31-1 record...

After his first two good years, he went 8-8 and 1-10 as a starter...

He was 26th in the league in completion percentage.

In other words, defenses figured him out and he couldn't adapt.

Just like RG III with Washington. 1-2 good years, then poof! He turned to crap...

[charlieo1126@gmail.com]

He had a 37-31-1 record...

After his first two good years, he went 8-8 and 1-10 as a starter...

He was 26th in the league in completion percentage.

In other words, defenses figured him out and he couldn't adapt.

Just like RG III with Washington. 1-2 good years, then poof! He turned to crap... what happened to your early thread today / Wait I don’t care I’ll be gone tomorrow

[jdulej]

Tru dat! kaepernick is far more principled! Kaepernick walked away from millions for his principles, Mickelson walked away from his principles for millions of dirty money.

Well said!

[jebartle]

I approve of this POST

Me too!!!! Phil Mickelson prostituted himself

[JoMar]

There are tours all over the world for professional golfers including Europe, Asia, India, Korea, Japan, Australia, and South Africa to name a few. Many of the golfers from those regions prefer to play on the US PGA tour because of the money and competition.

Not sure what that has to do with my post....the PGA makes the rules and if you want to play the tour you play by their rules. The USGA has stated the eligible players will be able to play Open, the British Open hasn't made a statement yet nor has the Masters. It will most likely take years to resolve since the lawsuits will draw it out, then if the courts give an injunction to allow them play the tour until the lawsuit is resolved and everyone of us loses interest......JMO. I am watching the second round, it's golf..:)

[Stu from NYC]

He had a 37-31-1 record...

After his first two good years, he went 8-8 and 1-10 as a starter...

He was 26th in the league in completion percentage.

In other words, defenses figured him out and he couldn't adapt.

Just like RG III with Washington. 1-2 good years, then poof! He turned to crap...

If teams thought they would win with kaparnickle they would have signed him. Personally think he needs to see a shrink.

RGIII got hurt several times and think his running ability was gone and his arm was never his strong point. Hard to have a long career as a QB in the NFL if you are a run first guy. Your body will not stand up to the pounding you get as a runner

[JMintzer]

what happened to your early thread today / Wait I don’t care I’ll be gone tomorrow

Then why ask in the first place?

Trolling?

[JMintzer]

If teams thought they would win with kaparnickle they would have signed him. Personally think he needs to see a shrink.

RGIII got hurt several times and think his running ability was gone and his arm was never his strong point. Hard to have a long career as a QB in the NFL if you are a run first guy. Your body will not stand up to the pounding you get as a runner

He got hurt because he couldn't read a defense... So he decided to scramble too much...

He was on the downslide well before he got hurt...

And Randall Cunningham had a pretty long career as a scrambler...

Same with Steve Young...

[Dr Winston O Boogie jr]

LIV paid $200,000,000 to a washed up 51 year old player. It's just about getting a big name for people to come and see. I can't blame him for taking it, but I don't think that LIV is going to get their money's worth.

They offered Tiger "high nine figures" and he refused it.

The one that I'm surprised about is Dustin Johnson who, at #15, has the highest OWGR of anyone on that tour.

The rest of the tour is players who were great at one time but are on the final leg of their careers, Korn Ferry Tour players and players that haven't been able to get onto any other tour.

One player is ranked at 600 in the OWGR and there are several that are not ranked because the rankings don't go that high. It's basically like Triple A Baseball. Another minor league tour. I don't see them getting the interest that they think they'll get. The European Tour has better quality players.

I will be interested in watching the Boston event because I've played that course several times and won an event there. I always thought it would be a great test for tour players at 8,400 yards from the tips. It's about what they should be playing these days.

As far as the other seven events, I'd much rather watch the best in the world.

Do they have any kind of television contract?

[dewilson58]

Not impressed with PGA Commissioner statements during today's tourney.

Did not answer pointed questions.

:ohdear:

[eweissenbach]

MsElroy said upon winning the Canadian Open that his win was “one more than someone else”. I looked it up - he now has one more PGA victory than Greg Norman. I thought that was perfect! Norman Reed Mickelson, et Al are prostitutes. Hope none of them are ever heard of again. BTW, I understand taking the riches from the corrupt Saudi’s but at least admit it was a pure money grab and you don’t care about your “legacy”or principles.

[Topspinmo]

I agree with you. Just how much money does one person need? Used to be a big Mickelson fan but fed up with his greed and his threats to hold the PGA hostage to his demands. Personally, I think the "Player Impact Fee" is a joke. All professional athletes are paid on their performance and on advertising revenue, not on their "impact" to the sport. Just another way to reward those who are already making a killing. If Phil is that unhappy, maybe he could go back to selling shoes.


Living in California a LOT.

[Boston-Sean]

Not impressed with PGA Commissioner statements during today's tourney.

Did not answer pointed questions.

:ohdear:

He looked like he was about to break down in tears.

I'd like to hear his answer to this question:

What would you do if LIV offered you $200 mil to run their tour?

[Topspinmo]

Tru dat! kaepernick is far more principled! Kaepernick walked away from millions for his principles, Mickelson walked away from his principles for millions of dirty money.

He didn’t walk away he got booted, and besides’ Nike gave him enough welfare money to get by on.

[Topspinmo]

MsElroy said upon winning the Canadian Open that his win was “one more than someone else”. I looked it up - he now has one more PGA victory than Greg Norman. I thought that was perfect! Norman Reed Mickelson, et Al are prostitutes. Hope none of them are ever heard of again. BTW, I understand taking the riches from the corrupt Saudi’s but at least admit it was a pure money grab and you don’t care about your “legacy”or principles.


Like golfer’s got principles. It’s ALL about Money. Why there leader board determines by money leader.

[Two Bills]

I really have no opinion on how anyone treats their job.
When I was working, and was offered another job at a lot more money I took the offer.
Pro golfers are working men and women doing their day jobs.
If I was a professional golfer at the end of my career, a 'never will be,' or a player whose body appears to be slowly disintegrating like DeChambeau, and I was offered shed loads of money to join a tour, where a good living could be had by just turning up to play, I would be mad to turn down the offer.
Good luck to them, hope they earn a fortune, but now I am off to watch the PGA golf, where all the good players are!
Go Rory!!

[B-flat]

i agree with you. Just how much money does one person need? Used to be a big mickelson fan but fed up with his greed and his threats to hold the pga hostage to his demands. Personally, i think the "player impact fee" is a joke. All professional athletes are paid on their performance and on advertising revenue, not on their "impact" to the sport. Just another way to reward those who are already making a killing. If phil is that unhappy, maybe he could go back to selling shoes.

ditto!

[dewilson58]

He looked like he was about to break down in tears.

I'd like to hear his answer to this question:

What would you do if LIV offered you $200 mil to run their tour?

:bigbow:

[golfing eagles]

Tru dat! kaepernick is far more principled! Kaepernick walked away from millions for his principles, Mickelson walked away from his principles for millions of dirty money.

Lefty sold out for the money, agreed. But Kaepernick is a traitor to the US and should have been shot at dawn.

[golfing eagles]

Not impressed with PGA Commissioner statements during today's tourney.

Did not answer pointed questions.

:ohdear:

Dodged quite a few, but.....he did make a great point with the rhetorical question he posed to LIV participants-----

"Have you ever had to apologize for being a member of the PGA"?????

[John Mayes]

Not impressed with PGA Commissioner statements during today's tourney.

Did not answer pointed questions.

:ohdear:

I agree. I have been impressed with the Commissioner’s decisiveness up to this point but he seemed to completely side step Jim Nantz’s questions.

[jdulej]

Lefty sold out for the money, agreed. But Kaepernick is a traitor to the US and should have been shot at dawn.

You're wasting an awfully strong word (traitor) on a person who was simply exercising his right to peacefully protest. If you are looking for real traitors, look to 1/6.

[Dr Winston O Boogie jr]

I really have no opinion on how anyone treats their job.
When I was working, and was offered another job at a lot more money I took the offer.
Pro golfers are working men and women doing their day jobs.
If I was a professional golfer at the end of my career, a 'never will be,' or a player whose body appears to be slowly disintegrating like DeChambeau, and I was offered shed loads of money to join a tour, where a good living could be had by just turning up to play, I would be mad to turn down the offer.
Good luck to them, hope they earn a fortune, but now I am off to watch the PGA golf, where all the good players are!
Go Rory!!

There's a bit more to it than a regular working person taking another job. These people have a legacy to think about. They're not going to be allowed to play in The Players or other PGA Tour events that are historically significant. Their OWGR is going to suffer because they are not going to get anywhere near the points for winning, what can only be classified as a minor league event compared to a PGA Tour event. Some have already lost sponsorship money and I'm sure that more will as time goes on.

Many of these players want to be looked at in terms of their place in history. That place is going to be diminished by playing 8 events against a weak field.

If I'm not mistaken, these players are not going to be allowed to play on The PGA Tour Champions when they hit 50.

While I certainly understand people like Phil, Sergio, Charl Schwartzel, Lee Westwood and others who are in the twilight of their career, going this way, I'm surprised at Dustin Johnson, DeChambeau and a few others who are still competitive on the PGA Tour.

Most great athletes want to compete against the best in the world. That can only be done on the PGA Tour. It's like these guys have gone from playing Major League Baseball to AAA. Of course they have the chance to make more money and some have guaranteed money before they tee it up. So I guess we're seeing what's important to different people.

Tiger was offered a boatload of money and indicated that his place in history and how he is viewed is more important to him.

There is also a good chance that this tour will fold after a few years. (Remember the USFL and the World Hockey League?) What do these guys do then?

[villager7591]

I have worked for a boss that was cheating on his wife. I didn't quit my job because I and my family wanted and needed the income. Just because you do not agree with the ethics of your employer doesn't mean that you agree with their ideals/values. There have been plenty of disputes between MLB players and owners...but the players don't quit because owner XYZ doesn't support BLM. Do all NFL players quit because their team owner has a history of domestic violence?
All employees need to make their own decisions and what they will put up with. All we can say is WE wouldn't join LIV for our own reasons.
More locally, if you don't like the way your neighbor treats his dog, do you choose not to golf/socialize with him?

[jdulej]

I have worked for a boss that was cheating on his wife. I didn't quit my job because I and my family wanted and needed the income. Just because you do not agree with the ethics of your employer doesn't mean that you agree with their ideals/values. There have been plenty of disputes between MLB players and owners...but the players don't quit because owner XYZ doesn't support BLM. Do all NFL players quit because their team owner has a history of domestic violence?
All employees need to make their own decisions and what they will put up with. All we can say is WE wouldn't join LIV for our own reasons.
More locally, if you don't like the way your neighbor treats his dog, do you choose not to golf/socialize with him?
I can answer the last question - yes!

[dewilson58]

The Commissioner's statements were like a politician, but he was very clear on one thing..................these guys are NOT band for life. He left the door open. If they want to come back, the will be allowed.

Politics & money & control/freedom................that's all it is for both sides.

[retiredguy123]

I like golf and I like to watch golf on TV. But, I really don't care at all about who plays for which tour or why.

[KAM+6]

You're wasting an awfully strong word (traitor) on a person who was simply exercising his right to peacefully protest. If you are looking for real traitors, look to 1/6.

Sadly, GE and many others are not looking but supporting 1/6 traitors.

[golfing eagles]

You're wasting an awfully strong word (traitor) on a person who was simply exercising his right to peacefully protest. If you are looking for real traitors, look to 1/6.

No defense for those idiots on 1/6. No defense for the insurrections in Ferguson, Minneapolis, Atlanta, Baltimore, etc.( Dictionary definition of an insurrection: A violent uprising against government or authority, in the latter cases, the police) No defense for Kaepernick. They could all be deposited on a deserted island somewhere.

As far as Kaepernick goes, he was the starting QB for a popular team. He had what Teddy Roosevelt called "the bully pulpit". He could have taken the microphone and made his statements. I would have preferred "America is the greatest country ever, but it is not perfect. We still have problems and these are what I think they are......."
But no, he had to disrespect America, our flag, and all those who fought and died so he could make millions throwing a ball around. Instead of a constructive conversation, he had to show "defiance" and disrespect. Useless piece of human garbage.

[golfing eagles]

Sadly, GE and many others are not looking but supporting 1/6 traitors.

You couldn't be more wrong. They should all be arrested and tried. But I do object to this particular heinous act being singled out for excessive media and congressional scrutiny. There were 840 arrests from the capitol riot. How many in Ferguson, Minneapolis, Atlanta, Baltimore, etc.? And those insurrections were far more violent and costly.

[jdulej]

No defense for those idiots on 1/6. No defense for the insurrections in Ferguson, Minneapolis, Atlanta, Baltimore, etc.( Dictionary definition of an insurrection: A violent uprising against government or authority, in the latter cases, the police) No defense for Kaepernick. They could all be deposited on a deserted island somewhere.

As far as Kaepernick goes, he was the starting QB for a popular team. He had what Teddy Roosevelt called "the bully pulpit". He could have taken the microphone and made his statements. I would have preferred "America is the greatest country ever, but it is not perfect. We still have problems and these are what I think they are......."
But no, he had to disrespect America, our flag, and all those who fought and died so he could make millions throwing a ball around. Instead of a constructive conversation, he had to show "defiance" and disrespect. Useless piece of human garbage.
As I was reading your reply I looked up at the top third of my screen and there sat an ad for shirts made of carved up US flags with stupid sayings added. Another example of desecrating the flag to make a buc, but no one seems to care about that

[golfing eagles]

As I was reading your reply I looked up at the top third of my screen and there sat an ad for shirts made of carved up US flags with stupid sayings added. Another example of desecrating the flag to make a buc, but no one seems to care about that

If I saw it, I would care. Thanks for pointing it out, something new to add to my boycott list.

[Boston-Sean]

There's a bit more to it than a regular working person taking another job. These people have a legacy to think about. They're not going to be allowed to play in The Players or other PGA Tour events that are historically significant. Their OWGR is going to suffer because they are not going to get anywhere near the points for winning, what can only be classified as a minor league event compared to a PGA Tour event. Some have already lost sponsorship money and I'm sure that more will as time goes on.

Many of these players want to be looked at in terms of their place in history. That place is going to be diminished by playing 8 events against a weak field.

If I'm not mistaken, these players are not going to be allowed to play on The PGA Tour Champions when they hit 50.

While I certainly understand people like Phil, Sergio, Charl Schwartzel, Lee Westwood and others who are in the twilight of their career, going this way, I'm surprised at Dustin Johnson, DeChambeau and a few others who are still competitive on the PGA Tour.

Most great athletes want to compete against the best in the world. That can only be done on the PGA Tour. It's like these guys have gone from playing Major League Baseball to AAA. Of course they have the chance to make more money and some have guaranteed money before they tee it up. So I guess we're seeing what's important to different people.

Tiger was offered a boatload of money and indicated that his place in history and how he is viewed is more important to him.

There is also a good chance that this tour will fold after a few years. (Remember the USFL and the World Hockey League?) What do these guys do then?

Have you considered that many of these players don't want to be playing competitive golf when they turn 50? Or even 40?

Dustin Johnson indicated that this was going to give him a chance to do something else with his life besides play golf.

How many of the Champions Tour players wake up on a Tuesday or Wednesday relishing the long plane flight to the next event where they will live out of a suitcase for the next 5 days?

That's gotta be a grind.

[villager7591]

Very judgmental. Must not have many friends or must not know them well.