Golf Cart "driveway" behind Mallory CC to Morse MMP

[EdFNJ]

There is a 2 lane wide “golf cart driveway” (can’t think of a better way to describe it) that goes from the back of the Mallory CC parking lot down to Morse MMP which is on a hill overlooking the golf course and about 50 yards away from the course that leads to the driveway entrance to the golf course. This driveway bypasses the narrow blind curve by the tunnel that goes around Mallory CC. Wife and I have walked that “golf cart driveway” every morning for the last 4+ years and we take that path (bypass) to avoid the hill and blind curve by the Tunnel because one time I got clipped by a cart flying around the single lane blind curve while walking. Today a guy in the “booth” near this area (different one than who is usually there who we always say hello to) approached us like he was the King of Golf and told us we can’t walk there because it is “golf course property.” There is no signage that states “no pedestrians” or even that it is golf course property.

ADDED: For the many reading comprehension challenged out there: IT WAS NOT THE STARTER shack guy WHO APPROACHED ME it was the guy in the Parking Lot GAZEBO. The bagman. YA GOTTA READ before you use your keyboard!

Added: There is a sign at that entrance of that cement path FROM the Morse MMP where we walk that specifically tells you to use that entrance path to go to the COUNTRY CLUB AND THE PRO SHOP which also includes the parking lot. The sign does not specify you have to drive there.



While I DO NOT DISPUTE WHETHER IT IS GOLF COURSE PROPERTY or not I do wonder if there is any specific RULE that says pedestrians are not permitted in that cart driveway which is not directly connected to the course in any way? THIS IS NOT ON OR NEAR the course or golf course path itself but up on a hill overlooking the course probably 50 yards down the hill from the course.

Who would I contact to discuss this if I want to question it or suggest they put a "no pedestrians" sign up if it is the case. If you are not familiar with this specific area you would have to see it to understand it's location relative to the course itself (it's nowhere near it).

Edit to add: If they decided to "enforce" this alleged rule what can they do since there are ZERO signs posted stating "no pedestrians" ? Unless it is properly marked what can they do?

And another edit:
Posted signs obviously don't say "keep out private property" but "WELCOME" and not "welcome to only those playing the golf course, or only those driving golf carts."

[Bill14564]

Just for clarity, is this a concrete path that connects the the golf course path to the golf cart parking at the country club?

And where is the single-lane blind curve on the MMP near the tunnel? Or are you saying that only one lane of the MMP has the blind curve (probably the right turn from the tunnel up to the country club)?

[golfing eagles]

There is a 2 lane wide “golf cart driveway” (can’t think of a better way to describe it) that goes from the back of the Mallory CC parking lot down to Morse MMP which is on a hill overlooking the golf course and about 50 yards away from the course that leads to the driveway entrance to the golf course. This driveway bypasses the narrow blind curve by the tunnel that goes around Mallory CC. Wife and I have walked that “golf cart driveway” every morning for the last 4+ years and we take that path (bypass) to avoid the hill and blind curve by the Tunnel because one time I got clipped by a cart flying around the single lane blind curve while walking. Today a guy in the “booth” near this area (different one than who is usually there who we always say hello to) approached us like he was the King of Golf and told us we can’t walk there because it is “golf course property.” There is no signage that states “no pedestrians” or even that it is golf course property.

While I DO NOT DISPUTE WHETHER IT IS GOLF COURSE PROPERTY or not I do wonder if there is any specific RULE that says pedestrians are not permitted in that cart driveway which is not directly connected to the course in any way? THIS IS NOT ON OR NEAR the course or golf course path itself but up on a hill overlooking the course probably 50 yards down the hill from the course.

Who would I contact to discuss this if I want to question it or suggest they put a "no pedestrians" sign up if it is the case. If you are not familiar with this specific area you would have to see it to understand it's location relative to the course itself (it's nowhere near it).

Edit to add: If they decided to "enforce" this alleged rule what can they do since there are ZERO signs posted stating "no pedestrians" ? Unless it is properly marked what can they do?

The guy in the "booth" (starter's shack) who acted like the "King of Golf" was 100% right and you were 100% wrong for even being there. That "golf cart driveway" is not part of the MMP, it a golf cart path ONLY, and is entirely contained on the property of the country club golf course. It is most certainly connected to the golf course, and not only is it "near the course, it runs between the practice green and the 9th green of Caroline. Any use by someone other than a golfer who has purchased a greens fee for that day is trespassing. It does not require a "no pedestrian" sign, the fact that golf courses paths are for golf carts driven by those playing is available on multiple sites on-line. It is NOT an "alleged" rule---it is THE RULE, and they can, if they so desire, legally enforce it even without a "sign". And what can they do? They can have the sheriff arrest you. (Not that they ever would, but they could). I don't think the defense of "I didn't know it was private property and that I couldn't walk there" would ever hold up in court.

[bagboy]

If I remember that path correctly, it starts in the parking lot near the bag drop and allows golf carts in the cart parking area to access the starter shacks for Caroline and Virginia nines. Amelia can be accessed through the parking lot. So it appears to be very much part of the golf course operation. Since it was apparently a starter that told the OP not to use that path to walk on, I suggest going into the pro shop and have a conversation with the head golf professional.
I would have no idea if walking is permitted there. Good luck getting a satisfactory answer.

[EdFNJ]

Just for clarity, is this a concrete path that connects the the golf course path to the golf cart parking at the country club?

And where is the single-lane blind curve on the MMP near the tunnel? Or are you saying that only one lane of the MMP has the blind curve (probably the right turn from the tunnel up to the country club)?

No, it's 2 lanes wide concrete "road/path/driveway or whatever" and goes from the CC parking lot PAST the golf cart parking lot which is on the left side heading to Morse basically bypassing the 1 lane each way blind curve by the tunnel. Heading north on the Morse MMP there is a sharp left curve (tunnel is on the RIGHT). The tunel crosses Morse and comes out at the Virgina Trace side of the Morse circle.


See attached photo and direct link to photo because the forum kills the resolution.

Dropbox - Map.jpg - Simplify your life (https://www.dropbox.com/s/3k8u30sohypbk8n/Map.jpg?dl=0)

[golfing eagles]

No, it's 2 lanes wide concrete "road/path/driveway or whatever" and goes from the CC parking lot PAST the golf cart parking lot which is on the left side heading to Morse basically bypassing the 1 lane each way blind curve by the tunnel. Heading north on the Morse MMP there is a sharp left curve (tunnel is on the RIGHT). The tunel crosses Morse and comes out at the Virgina Trace side of the Morse circle.


See attached photo and direct link to photo because the forum kills the resolution.

Dropbox - Map.jpg - Simplify your life (https://www.dropbox.com/s/3k8u30sohypbk8n/Map.jpg?dl=0)

I think both bagboy and I know exactly the path to which you are referring. It is NOT a "road/path/driveway or whatever". It is a golf cart only path for those playing golf at Mallory Hill Country Club. It is an integral part of the course, on private property, and my response stands, as does that of the Caroline starter.

[EdFNJ]

The guy in the "booth" (starter's shack) who acted like the "King of Golf" was 100% right and you were 100% wrong for even being there. That "golf cart driveway" is not part of the MMP, it a golf cart path ONLY, and is entirely contained on the property of the country club golf course. It is most certainly connected to the golf course, and not only is it "near the course, it runs between the practice green and the 9th green of Caroline. Any use by someone other than a golfer who has purchased a greens fee for that day is trespassing. It does not require a "no pedestrian" sign, the fact that golf courses paths are for golf carts driven by those playing is available on multiple sites on-line. It is NOT an "alleged" rule---it is THE RULE, and they can, if they so desire, legally enforce it even without a "sign". And what can they do? They can have the sheriff arrest you. (Not that they ever would, but they could). I don't think the defense of "I didn't know it was private property and that I couldn't walk there" would ever hold up in court.

Like your reply the "King of Golf" who sits in his wooden shack didn't need to cop an attitude with us because he ain't the King but just a low wage employee on a power trip likely filling in for the guy who we always have a pleasant conversation with. There are NICE ways to explain things to those who don't know without copping a 'tude which is SOP around here for many.

ANYWAY, It's an ALLEGED RULE because I have not been able to find it or any such publication of any no public access of golf cart driving areas rules. Please link me to all these rules so I can see where I went wrong. I would appreciate that if they do exist.

As far as trespassing goes, they wouldn't have a chance in heck to "win" on that because no one except a golf maven such as yourself who has evidently read all the rules would know anything about that driveway unless it was marked "no pedestrian traffic" whether they have to or not. I don't play golf so how could I (or any of the dozens of others we see there every day) possibly know you can't walk on a golf cart driveway?

I DO assume it is logical and common sense you can't walk on the golf course itself however not being permitted to walk on a 2 lane concrete driveway that is NOT ON OR NEAR the golf course is NOT common sense to any average person and would be prohibited so they would have a tough time getting a conviction on that without any proper signage posted.

That path sets about 12 feet BELOW the putzing practice green and provides NO ACCESS to it as you have to access it from the cart parking lot or behind the CC and if it did, so what does that have to do with walking?

[EdFNJ]

I think both bagboy and I know exactly the path to which you are referring. It is NOT a "road/path/driveway or whatever". It is a golf cart only path for those playing golf at Mallory Hill Country Club. It is an integral part of the course, on private property, and my response stands, as does that of the Caroline starter. Please show me where it is posted "GOLF CARTS ONLY." Seriously now, how would ANYONE possibly know that unless it was posted or written somewhere? I know this topic obviously incenses you to no end because you are all knowing about golfing but just relax a second, take a few slow deep breaths and put yourself in the place of anyone (especially non-golfers) who might see a 2 lane concrete "road/path/driveway or whatever" and say "gee, what a nice place to take a stroll." :1rotfl:

I don't think the defense of "I didn't know it was private property and that I couldn't walk there" would ever hold up in court. It absolutely is a defense and would hold up in court in a second again because of the "what would any logical person think" rule.

[golfing eagles]

Please show me where it is posted "GOLF CARTS ONLY." Seriously now, how would ANYONE possibly know that unless it was posted or written somewhere? I know this topic obviously incenses you to no end because you are all knowing about golfing but just relax a second, take a few slow deep breaths and put yourself in the place of anyone (especially non-golfers) who might see a 2 lane concrete "road/path/driveway or whatever" and say "gee, what a nice place to take a stroll." :1rotfl:

It absolutely is a defense and would hold up in court in a second again because of the "what would any logical person think" rule.

Actually, I couldn't care less if you walk there or not. It is not MY private property. You are the one all out joint because the Caroline starter came out and told you that you were walking on the private property of Mallory Hill Country Club. If you think this "incenses me", think again. If you think it incenses that starter, I doubt it, but he is an employee of the golf course. If they allow a non-greens fee holder, non-golfer to walk on their private property, just who do you think is liable if you get injured???? And if you just didn't know, then you just didn't know, but now you do. I don't agree with your "doubling down" on the path as being nowhere near the golf course, and I think you would have a hard time finding anyone else to agree. I would also tend to disagree that ignorance of the law is an absolute defense. That being said, peace.:icon_wink:

[Bill14564]

Please show me where it is posted "GOLF CARTS ONLY." Seriously now, how would ANYONE possibly know that unless it was posted or written somewhere? I know this topic obviously incenses you to no end because you are all knowing about golfing but just relax a second, take a few slow deep breaths and put yourself in the place of anyone (especially non-golfers) who might see a 2 lane concrete "road/path/driveway or whatever" and say "gee, what a nice place to take a stroll." :1rotfl:

It absolutely is a defense and would hold up in court in a second again because of the "what would any logical person think" rule.

I'm enjoying the back and forth here.

You've been here longer than I have but even I have observed that almost all concrete "paths" are golf course paths. There are exceptions, but they are few and they are much shorter than the "driveway."

The "driveway" connects an obvious golf course path with an obvious golf cart parking area, runs next to a golf course, runs along the practice green, and ends at the Country Club: it would take a lot for the "logical person" to miss all those indications that it is part of the golf course.

Ignorance as a defense went out the window this morning when it was made clear (though it should have been clear already) that it is a golf course path on golf course property.

In another post you seem to differentiate between a two-lane driveway and the one-lane-each-way MMP. On Google maps (not the best source but the best I have right now) it appears that the one-lane-each-way MMP is actually wider.

I do remember that right turn out of the tunnel being a bit blind but there are far worse blind corners at nearly every gatehouse.

If walking on the two-lane driveway which happens to be a golf course path is okay then wouldn't walking on the other golf course paths be okay too? And further, if paths are not off limits then why would *any* of the golf course areas (greens, fairways, etc) be off limits - why can't we walk on any of that? If the reason is because those areas are reserved for golf course use, then that reason applies to the concrete "driveway" as well.

And finally, what does it really hurt if someone walks on that path when not carrying a bag of clubs? Sure, one could say, "I'm a golfer and that is for golf course use only!" and while they would be correct, what does it really hurt?

[Mosells]

The Villages enforce its golf course trespassing rules to mitigate liability. If your are trespassing and injured by a golf cart driver our hit by an errant golf ball, you may have an injury claim. Unless they enforce their no trespassing rules. Just accept that you are incorrect and move on.

[Bill14564]

The Villages enforce its golf course trespassing rules to mitigate liability. If your are trespassing and injured by a golf cart driver our hit by an errant golf ball, you may have an injury claim. Unless they enforce their no trespassing rules. Just accept that you are incorrect and move on.

Is the liability any different if you are carrying your bag and get injured by a golf cart driver or hit by an errant ball?

[drcar]

Simple answer to the issue:
Did you talk to the facility manager at Mallory?
Did you call golf administration?

[EdFNJ]

I'm enjoying the back and forth here.

You've been here longer than I have but even I have observed that almost all concrete "paths" are golf course paths. There are exceptions, but they are few and they are much shorter than the "driveway."

The "driveway" connects an obvious golf course path with an obvious golf cart parking area, runs next to a golf course, runs along the practice green, and ends at the Country Club: it would take a lot for the "logical person" to miss all those indications that it is part of the golf course.

It's not part of the GOLF COURSE (that is a thing in and of it's self). I do agree that It may be part of the golf course and proshop's and country club's property. I have never read any rules that say you can't walk on this type of area and really don't think there are any in writing or "the experts" would have posted them for which I anxiously are awaiting.

Ignorance as a defense went out the window this morning when it was made clear (though it should have been clear already) that it is a golf course path on golf course property. And why should I believe what that guy said was authorized by anyone else except himself ? Been doing that for years and no one has ever complained. Also, while it may be a part of the golf course area in general it is NOT a "golf course path" as it is nowhere near or on the golf course at ANY point along it. Most logical minds would think the "golf course path" in on THE GOLF COURSE. This is an "access" point as is the Morse MMP which is closer to the actual course entry. ;)

In another post you seem to differentiate between a two-lane driveway and the one-lane-each-way MMP. On Google maps (not the best source but the best I have right now) it appears that the one-lane-each-way MMP is actually wider.

OK, and what does that have to do with the price of peanuts on the open market?

I do remember that right turn out of the tunnel being a bit blind but there are far worse blind corners at nearly every gatehouse. Yes there are (like going north on the MMP around Stillwater which they just FIXED by taking down all the tall shrubbery) however the issue here isn't the tunnel at all as it has a mostly ignored stop sign it's the carts flying down the hill to continue up Morse and the carts coming up the hill to go up O'Dell. There is no safety area there except on top. Not a fun place to walk especially since I got clipped a number of years ago.

If walking on the two-lane driveway which happens to be a golf course path is okay then wouldn't walking on the other golf course paths be okay too? And further, if paths are not off limits then why would *any* of the golf course areas (greens, fairways, etc) be off limits - why can't we walk on any of that? If the reason is because those areas are reserved for golf course use, then that reason applies to the concrete "driveway" as well.

That's a bad anology. Go there and look at it. :) This course is down a large fenced embankment maybe 20 feet high and 50 yards away. One thing has nothing to do with the other. While it may be 100% true no person would logically think it not be permitted unless it was marked as such due to how it is located within the Mallory CC area.

And finally, what does it really hurt if someone walks on that path when not carrying a bag of clubs? Sure, one could say, "I'm a golfer and that is for golf course use only!" and while they would be correct, what does it really hurt?

YAY! FINALLY! Exactly my point. :a040::a040:
.... I think well over 4 years doing that should have set a precedent of some sort. :D :D

[EdFNJ]

Simple answer to the issue:
Did you talk to the facility manager at Mallory?
Did you call golf administration? No, as I have no idea who or what or where they are and did ASK that question in my OP, who to contact. As I mention, we are not golfers.

[EdFNJ]

The Villages enforce its golf course trespassing rules to mitigate liability. If your are trespassing and injured by a golf cart driver our hit by an errant golf ball, you may have an injury claim. Unless they enforce their no trespassing rules. Just accept that you are incorrect and move on. WILL SOMEONE PLEASE POST A LINK TO THESE "RULES" ??? They don't seem to exist in writing. I believe that when I see it in writing or on a posted sign THEN it is time to "move on." Everything else is just assumptions and quoting of "local rules."

[drcar]

No, as I have no idea who or what or where they are and did ASK that question in my OP, who to contact. As I mention, we are not golfers.

Start with the Mallory hill Pro, Brady Godfrey, very nice person, call him or stop in. He can answer your questions or will refer you to whom to see.

[Bogie Shooter]

WILL SOMEONE PLEASE POST A LINK TO THESE "RULES" ??? They don't seem to exist in writing. I believe that when I see it in writing or on a posted sign THEN it is time to "move on." Everything else is just assumptions and quoting of "local rules."

From Golf in the Villages

Safety on the Course
• Golf courses are restricted to golfing traffic only.
• Please refrain from riding, biking, fishing, walking or
engaging in other recreational activities on the courses.
• Pets are not permitted on golf courses or practice facilities
at any time.
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When you step off the MM into Mallary parking lot you are on golf course property.
Don't see how it could be anymore clearer than that.

[golfing eagles]

It's not part of the GOLF COURSE (that is a thing in and of it's self). I do agree that It may be part of the golf course and proshop's and country club's property. I have never read any rules that say you can't walk on this type of area and really don't think there are any in writing or "the experts" would have posted them for which I anxiously are awaiting.

And why should I believe what that guy said was authorized by anyone else except himself ? Been doing that for years and no one has ever complained. Also, while it may be a part of the golf course area in general it is NOT a "golf course path" as it is nowhere near or on the golf course at ANY point along it. Most logical minds would think the "golf course path" in on THE GOLF COURSE. This is an "access" point as is the Morse MMP which is closer to the actual course entry. ;)



OK, and what does that have to do with the price of peanuts on the open market?

Yes there are (like going north on the MMP around Stillwater which they just FIXED by taking down all the tall shrubbery) however the issue here isn't the tunnel at all as it has a mostly ignored stop sign it's the carts flying down the hill to continue up Morse and the carts coming up the hill to go up O'Dell. There is no safety area there except on top. Not a fun place to walk especially since I got clipped a number of years ago.



That's a bad anology. Go there and look at it. :) This course is down a large fenced embankment maybe 20 feet high and 50 yards away. One thing has nothing to do with the other. While it may be 100% true no person would logically think it not be permitted unless it was marked as such due to how it is located within the Mallory CC area.



YAY! FINALLY! Exactly my point. :a040::a040:
.... I think well over 4 years doing that should have set a precedent of some sort. :D :D

In all honesty, I really admire your persistence. You are, of course, DEAD WRONG. Everyone on this thread has told you that you are wrong. The starter told you that you were wrong. Yet, you continue to try to justify trespassing based on such excuses as "I didn't know", or "What harm does it do?" or the best one "It isn't part of the golf course". If you think the MMP approaching the tunnel under Morse at that area is not safe to walk, then WALK ELSEWHERE, BUT NOT on private golf course property. Someone who blades a wedge to 9 of Caroline could conceivably hit you in the head with a golf ball while you are walking on the path.
PS: A golfer carrying a bag walking on that path has purchased a greens fee which means he has agreed to accept the risk inherit in the game. A pedestrian has not.

[dewilson58]

Looks like entitlement.

Smells like entitlement.

Probably tastes like entitlement.


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[JoMar]

No, as I have no idea who or what or where they are and did ASK that question in my OP, who to contact. As I mention, we are not golfers.

That explains it all.

[golfing eagles]

That explains it all.

Exactly. I wish I had said that instead of the hundreds of words I use to try and explain it.

[drcar]

WILL SOMEONE PLEASE POST A LINK TO THESE "RULES" ??? They don't seem to exist in writing. I believe that when I see it in writing or on a posted sign THEN it is time to "move on." Everything else is just assumptions and quoting of "local rules."

Now you have seen the rules and where they are posted, time to "move on."

[Bill14564]

...
PS: A golfer carrying a bag walking on that path has purchased a greens fee which means he has agreed to accept the risk inherit in the game. A pedestrian has not.

I was thinking of the Executive courses. (I'm not a golfer; don't know which courses are private and which are not). If this is not an Executive course and the golfer has somehow agreed to accept the risks then I do see the difference. (though I still would argue it's a technicality and not a good reason)

[golfing eagles]

I was thinking of the Executive courses. (I'm not a golfer; don't know which courses are private and which are not). If this is not an Executive course and the golfer has somehow agreed to accept the risks then I do see the difference. (though I still would argue it's a technicality and not a good reason)

OK. Mallory is a championship course. And with the huge numbers of lawyers out there today, I think the liability issue is more than a "technicality".

[EdFNJ]

/// Damn ... keep duplicating posts.

[EdFNJ]

From Golf in the Villages

Safety on the Course
• Golf courses are restricted to golfing traffic only.
• Please refrain from riding, biking, fishing, walking or
engaging in other recreational activities on the courses.
• Pets are not permitted on golf courses or practice facilities
at any time.
-------------------------------------
When you step off the MM into Mallary parking lot you are on golf course property.
Don't see how it could be anymore clearer than that.

Nice try. :D I actually agree with the specific statement. It says " Safety on the Course" "Golf courses are restricted to golfing traffic only" I am not within maybe 100 yards of the golf course or the paths the golfers use to play golf. So then what you are also saying is that we can't walk through the Mallory parking lot ? I don't see anyone playing golf on that "road/trail/driveway or whatever" OR in the Mallory parking lot. Sounds like "almost pregnant". Can't have it both ways. DEFINITELY would never go onto a (or the) GOLF COURSE.

[Mosells]

If you’re a paying player, you accept the risk. The course is not liable, the person who causes the personal injury may be liable.

[EdFNJ]

OK. Mallory is a championship course. And with the huge numbers of lawyers out there today, I think the liability issue is more than a "technicality". No more dangerous than eating the food in Mallory CC or getting out of one's car in their parking lot. Lawyers? All they have are "opinions" unless there has been a previous case precedent for the same thing. Maybe I'll get myself arrested!

To quote a famous golfer: :1rotfl::1rotfl::1rotfl:

[golfing eagles]

Nice try. :D I actually agree with the specific statement. It says " Safety on the Course" "Golf courses are restricted to golfing traffic only" I am not within maybe 100 yards of the golf course or the paths the golfers use to play golf. So then what you are also saying is that we can't walk through the Mallory parking lot ? I don't see anyone playing golf on that "road/trail/driveway or whatever" OR in the Mallory parking lot. Sounds like "almost pregnant". Can't have it both ways. DEFINITELY would never go onto a (or the) GOLF COURSE.

Still???? Over the years I've enjoyed your posts, and while we don't always agree, we agree often enough. However, why can't you see that you are dying on this hill? (Mallory Hill):1rotfl::1rotfl::1rotfl:. That path is a golf cart path, not a "whatever". It is entirely on golf course property, and it is within 3 yards of 9 of Caroline. And since you don't play golf, you can't be expected to know that no one has to play golf on a cart path or parking lot (It's a free drop 1 club length from the nearest point of relief no closer to the hole):1rotfl::1rotfl::1rotfl: Please accept what everyone is telling you----when you are on that cart path, YOU ARE on the golf course.

[EdFNJ]

Now you have seen the rules and where they are posted, time to "move on." Nope. Not even close. No waythat can be considered a GOLF COURSE. Maybe an access "road/trail/driveway or whatever" but thanks for the suggestion. ;) If this topic annoys you there is always the dog pee topic. :D

[Bogie Shooter]

I was thinking of the Executive courses. (I'm not a golfer; don't know which courses are private and which are not). If this is not an Executive course and the golfer has somehow agreed to accept the risks then I do see the difference. (though I still would argue it's a technicality and not a good reason)

Go to Golf The Villages (http://www.golfthevillages.com) there are lists of courses so you can learn.
There really are no “private”courses.

[EdFNJ]

Still???? Over the years I've enjoyed your posts, and while we don't always agree, we agree often enough. However, why can't you see that you are dying on this hill? (Mallory Hill):1rotfl::1rotfl::1rotfl:. That path is a golf cart path, not a "whatever". It is entirely on golf course property, and it is within 3 yards of 9 of Caroline. And since you don't play golf, you can't be expected to know that no one has to play golf on a cart path or parking lot (It's a free drop 1 club length from the nearest point of relief no closer to the hole):1rotfl::1rotfl::1rotfl: Please accept what everyone is telling you----when you are on that cart path, YOU ARE on the golf course. LOL, I love getting you all wound up doc. It's too easy! :) You should know you will NEVER convince me by just "saying" it. 3 yards? Where ? You really don't need to reply as you seem to be getting frustrated and really should get some "relief" from this thread. ;) Going out for a while, can't wait to get back. Just think of all the traffic this is generating for TOTV.

[Bogie Shooter]

Nice try. :D I actually agree with the specific statement. It says " Safety on the Course" "Golf courses are restricted to golfing traffic only" I am not within maybe 100 yards of the golf course or the paths the golfers use to play golf. So then what you are also saying is that we can't walk through the Mallory parking lot ? I don't see anyone playing golf on that "road/trail/driveway or whatever" OR in the Mallory parking lot. Sounds like "almost pregnant". Can't have it both ways. DEFINITELY would never go onto a (or the) GOLF COURSE.di

Did you go and speak with the pro at Mallory? If not why not?

[golfing eagles]

di

Did you go and speak with the pro at Mallory? If not why not?

No point---he just stated we can never convince him.

[asianthree]

di

Did you go and speak with the pro at Mallory? If not why not?

Then someone with authority would give him the answer to his question, and that’s not what the OP wants to hear.

[golfing eagles]

LOL, I love getting you all wound up doc. It's too easy! :) You should know you will NEVER convince me by just "saying" it. 3 yards? Where ? You really don't need to reply as you seem to be getting frustrated and really should get some "relief" from this thread. ;) Going out for a while, can't wait to get back. Just think of all the traffic this is generating for TOTV.

Not wound up, and not the least bit frustrated. Where? Actually, if you look at the satellite view close up it appears that that path comes 8 feet from the practice green and less than 3 feet (+down from the wall) from 9 of Caroline. I would normally say that I am amazed that someone who doesn't play knows so much more about a golf course than golfers that play it frequently, as well as a manager from another facility. However, I am now convinced that you are being deliberately obtuse for reasons that the rest of us can only speculate about.

[drcar]

Nope. Not even close. No waythat can be considered a GOLF COURSE. Maybe an access "road/trail/driveway or whatever" but thanks for the suggestion. ;) If this topic annoys you there is always the dog pee topic. :D

A lot of people here have given you suggestions, you don't seem to want to hear any of them. So why ask for answers here if you won't take them, call community watch, call the district, but nothing anyone said here seems to please you.

[Bill14564]

Go to Golf The Villages (http://www.golfthevillages.com) there are lists of courses so you can learn.
There really are no “private”courses.

Thanks. Don’t really need to know unless there will be a test later but good to have a reference.

Private/Championship/Not part of my amenity fee - all the same to me. I suppose I could ask what the difference is between private ownership and Developer ownership but it really doesn’t make much difference - their money, their property, their rules.

[Marathon Man]

Then someone with authority would give him the answer to his question, and that’s not what the OP wants to hear.

That seems to be the case.

[Mosells]

Is the liability any different if you are carrying your bag and get injured by a golf cart driver or hit by an errant ball?
Yes, if you’re a paying golfer you except the liability and the golf course has no liability for your injury. You can hold the the person who hit you with an errant shot liable for your injuries. Of course all subject to if “Dan Newell” is your lawyer.

[Bogie Shooter]

Yes, if you’re a paying golfer you except the liability and the golf course has no liability for your injury. You can hold the the person who hit you with an errant shot liable for your injuries. Of course all subject to if “Dan Newell” is your lawyer.

“Except….”accept”

It’s Dan Newlin……….. Dan Newlin Injury Attorneys | $$ Billions Recovered (https://www.newlinlaw.com/). :ho:

[JMintzer]

Looks like entitlement.

Smells like entitlement.

Probably tastes like entitlement.


________________________________.
Fill in the blank.


:crap2:

Quacks like entitlement?

[JMintzer]

I find it humorous that the OP is complaining about the "King of Golf's" attitude...

[Chi-Town]

Can't wait for part 2 when OP makes his next attempt. Should be a hoot

[EdFNJ]

Looks like entitlement.

Smells like entitlement.

Probably tastes like entitlement.

Ahh, there's the "E" word again. The answer for EVERY COMPLAINT in these forums that the gang doesn't agree with. Surprised I haven't seen "if you don't like it move." :a20:

I find it humorous that the OP is complaining about the "King of Golf's" attitude...

Yup ... same old folks same old meaningless personal comments. Can always count on the same few for that. Makes me happy that I have made you laugh. You're welcome.

[EdFNJ]

A lot of people here have given you suggestions, you don't seem to want to hear any of them. So why ask for answers here if you won't take them, call community watch, call the district, but nothing anyone said here seems to please you. One person actually gave me the suggestion (name and location) of who I might speak to which was the only thing I asked in the OP. Everyone else told me what they think with no or unsubstantiated facts behind it.

[EdFNJ]

The starter told you that you were wrong. Never spoke with any "starter" person. The guy who stopped us walked out of the little gazebo building in the Mallory parking lot. Starter is nowhere near the "path/driveway/concrete road", probably 100 feet down the section off the "path/driveway/concrete road" where carts line up. Maybe we are taking about 2 different things or places all this time? We have already ALMOST been hit with a ball walking on the MMP. It bounced 2 feet in front of us. We retrieved it for the golfing guy looking for it. He had orange balls. Thought they were supposed to be white. So walking on the "path/driveway/concrete road" is probably safer. :boxing2: [/quote]


di

Did you go and speak with the pro at Mallory? If not why not? NO! WHY? you asked .......... . I'll tell you. BECAUSE I HAD NO IDEA WHAT OR WHO "THE PRO AT MALLORY IS" or what he does or looks like or where he lives as I don't play golf. The only "pros" I am aware of are those who get paid for playing golf like you see on television. Does the "pro" actually make The Villages rules that apply to all the Villages golf properties or just regurgitate what they "should be or probably are" like most here are doing because it says somewhere that only golfers who read them are aware of that says you can't walk on a GOLF COURSE.

For all I know the "PRO" was the guy who drives around in the golf cart with the water barrel on the back or sits in the hut listening to the radio which is why I wrote in the OP asking if someone would tell me who to contact. Someone ONE PERSON actually did answer my question which I appreciate and that is what I plan to do. So everyone feel free to continue this but since I actually did have a person kind enough to give me actual name(s) I will pursue it from there.

And just to end this as there is no need for any more replies I will say the actual MMP AKA GOLF CART PATH blind curve around Mallory is dangerous to walkers, runners and bicyclists and personally for me the hill going up the MMP heading south and north causes me bad pain in my knee & hip which is why EVERY DAY for the last almost 5 years I have avoided it by cutting it out using the "path/driveway/street/road/trail/cement/yellow brick road or whatever" that goes between the CC building and the golf course. After 5 years all of a sudden it's different per one guy. We have had a friendly relationship with every other guy in that hut for the last 5 years with NEVER an issue. Maybe this guy really was "The King of The Villages Golf." Avoiding that hill is one of the same reasons I bypass the hill into the tunnel at Stillwater and cross Morse traffic.

@MODERATOR ... feel free to close this thread.

[Don5154]

Nice try. :D I actually agree with the specific statement. It says " Safety on the Course" "Golf courses are restricted to golfing traffic only" I am not within maybe 100 yards of the golf course or the paths the golfers use to play golf. So then what you are also saying is that we can't walk through the Mallory parking lot ? I don't see anyone playing golf on that "road/trail/driveway or whatever" OR in the Mallory parking lot. Sounds like "almost pregnant". Can't have it both ways. DEFINITELY would never go onto a (or the) GOLF COURSE.

Dude....time to give it up.....you are wrong...move on :bigbow:

[thevillages2013]

Just carry a small golf bag on your back on your walk and no one will say a word to you!

[DaleDivine]

YAY! FINALLY! Exactly my point. :a040::a040:
.... I think well over 4 years doing that should have set a precedent of some sort. :D :D[/QUOTE]

You should get an old putter from Goodwill or someplace and walk with it.
Then you would be fully in your rights to walk up to the putting green.
Maybe putt one shot and keep on walking...
:bigbow::bigbow:

[golfing eagles]

And just to end this as there is no need for any more replies I will say the actual MMP AKA GOLF CART PATH blind curve around Mallory is dangerous to walkers, runners and bicyclists and personally for me the hill going up the MMP heading south and north causes me bad pain in my knee & hip which is why EVERY DAY for the last almost 5 years I have avoided it by cutting it out using the "path/driveway/street/road/trail/cement/yellow brick road or whatever" that goes between the CC building and the golf course. After 5 years all of a sudden it's different per one guy. We have had a friendly relationship with every other guy in that hut for the last 5 years with NEVER an issue. Maybe this guy really was "The King of The Villages Golf." Avoiding that hill is one of the same reasons I bypass the hill into the tunnel at Stillwater and cross Morse traffic.

@MODERATOR ... feel free to close this thread.

What you mean to say is "trespassing on the golf cart path located entirely on the private property of Mallory Hill Country Club". There is no "path/driveway/street/road/trail/cement/yellow brick road or whatever", just the GOLF CART PATH with use restricted to golfers who paid a greens fee to play on the PRIVATE PROPERTY of that club. You can call it whatever you want, but anything other than a golf cart path on private property would be WRONG. So here are your choices:

1) You can walk on the MMP where you belong
2) You can walk elsewhere if you think it is safer
3) You can not walk
4) Or, and I'll bet this will be your choice since you refuse to listen to anyone but yourself, continue to illegally trespass on private property.

Please be careful not to get run over by a cart coming around the curve from the parking area whose driver was unprepared to avoid a trespasser, and pay attention to any golf balls coming at you from 9 of Caroline.

[thevillages2013]

YAY! FINALLY! Exactly my point. :a040::a040:
.... I think well over 4 years doing that should have set a precedent of some sort. :D :D

You should get an old putter from Goodwill or someplace and walk with it.
Then you would be fully in your rights to walk up to the putting green.
Maybe putt one shot and keep on walking...
:bigbow::bigbow:[/QUOTE]
Even better he could dress like Payne Stewart (god rest his soul) for the walk and he would fit right in!

[kidnerkim]

I think the point is it is GOLF COURSE traffic-not multi modal path. Pedestrians out for their daily walk cannot be on golf course. It is simple, common sense. Common knowledge here even before I started playing golf.

[golfing eagles]

You should get an old putter from Goodwill or someplace and walk with it.
Then you would be fully in your rights to walk up to the putting green.
Maybe putt one shot and keep on walking...
:bigbow::bigbow:

Except it is not a public practice green, and he would have no right whatsoever to use it.

[thevillages2013]

Except it is not a public practice green, and he would have no right whatsoever to use it.

True but the professed “non golfer” would never go to the practice green just would fit in the scenery a little better. The obvious answer is just find somewhere else to walk

[rustyp]

EdFNJ - 15
golfing eagles - 11

[golfing eagles]

EdFNJ - 15
golfing eagles - 11

Seriously?????

More like:

EdFNJ 0, or possibly less than 0
golfing eagles 1,897,243
evreyone else 786,865

[rustyp]

EdFNJ - 15
golfing eagles - 12

[golfing eagles]

EdFNJ - 15
golfing eagles - 12

I repeat, seriously???????

One cannot be totally wrong on everything stated on this thread and have any score over ZERO

[Veracity]

I don't golf, but I do like to walk. If ANYONE informed me that I was walking somewhere that I shouldn't be walking, I would thank them for letting me know and find somewhere else to walk (regardless if I had been walking in that area for years and no one told me sooner). There are plenty of beautiful places to walk around here.

[Bill14564]

I repeat, seriously???????

One cannot be totally wrong on everything stated on this thread and have any score over ZERO

Looks like a count of posts only, not a score

[JMintzer]

Looks like a count of posts only, not a score

That's how I interpret it...

Nothing about the correct nature of the posts...

[BrianL99]

Dude....time to give it up.....you are wrong...move on :bigbow:
The Emperor isn't wearing any clothes.

[Villages Kahuna]

Tell him that you and your wife are the King and Queen of the multi-modal paths and that he is trespassing on your property and that you have him outranked.

[NotGolfer]

Good grief OP....I don't golf neither but if someone told me that I didn't belong in a place I wouldn't post on social media to complain, but would say "thank you" and have it further clarified by someone, such as the manager. Did the person who came out have a lime-green shirt on with kaiki pants on? He most likely was an golf course employee there so would know. I would suspect that path was an access between to get to the other course and not for pedestrians. Your argument could extend to folks who say "I walk on the path once the course closes because I like the views" . Still it's not allowed!!
Apparently you just like to argue!!!

[dewilson58]

Good grief OP..........Apparently you just like to argue!!!

Bingo.

[txfan]

The guy in the "booth" (starter's shack) who acted like the "King of Golf" was 100% right and you were 100% wrong for even being there. That "golf cart driveway" is not part of the MMP, it a golf cart path ONLY, and is entirely contained on the property of the country club golf course. It is most certainly connected to the golf course, and not only is it "near the course, it runs between the practice green and the 9th green of Caroline. Any use by someone other than a golfer who has purchased a greens fee for that day is trespassing. It does not require a "no pedestrian" sign, the fact that golf courses paths are for golf carts driven by those playing is available on multiple sites on-line. It is NOT an "alleged" rule---it is THE RULE, and they can, if they so desire, legally enforce it even without a "sign". And what can they do? They can have the sheriff arrest you. (Not that they ever would, but they could). I don't think the defense of "I didn't know it was private property and that I couldn't walk there" would ever hold up in court.

Without a sign specifying “no pedestrians,” nothing can be done to stop someone from walking through. You’re always headed to the clubhouse, or bar/restaurant. Let them call the Sheriff.

[EviesGP]

As a former green shirt wearer, I can say there is something to give on both sides? (NOTE: I almost always agree with Doc, but I digress.) There are usually small(18"?) stone posts that read "Golf Course Traffic Only", at the entrance to any of the golf course(i.e. cement) paths.
I/we too, ask pedestrians(dog walkers) and/or bicyclists not to go onto golf course property(both Champ and Exec). However, that path he's referring to leads to the Club House and Restaurant. I don't know that there is anything wrong with a couple having a drink or dinner, who might be heading up there, or departing for home, to use it? What I find odd is that Starter was able to reach you? His shack is a bit out of the way from that path? Are we sure you didn't roam toward his shack more? As for the blind curves, that's pretty much the same for any bend that goes into/out of residential neighborhoods?! It's always a risk.

[golfing eagles]

Without a sign specifying “no pedestrians,” nothing can be done to stop someone from walking through. You’re always headed to the clubhouse, or bar/restaurant. Let them call the Sheriff.

But alas, there IS something they could do. They could watch and see if you go to the restaurant or bar, or are just on a walk. Then they could call the sheriff. Why are some people hot to defend an action that is clearly wrong?

[paulajr]

There is so much….how shall I put it..lack of knowledge…in this post I don’t know where to begin.
“Man in gazebo” is a trained golf employee, working “bag drop”. He is also trained for all other positions, so he KNOWS the rules.
Golf balls are not all white.
You are trespassing.
Golf PRO is also the manager of each Country Club.
Stop embarrassing yourself with uneducated posts, educate yourself..and stop trespassing.


Never spoke with any "starter" person. The guy who stopped us walked out of the little gazebo building in the Mallory parking lot. Starter is nowhere near the "path/driveway/concrete road", probably 100 feet down the section off the "path/driveway/concrete road" where carts line up. Maybe we are taking about 2 different things or places all this time? We have already ALMOST been hit with a ball walking on the MMP. It bounced 2 feet in front of us. We retrieved it for the golfing guy looking for it. He had orange balls. Thought they were supposed to be white. So walking on the "path/driveway/concrete road" is probably safer. :boxing2:


NO! WHY? you asked .......... . I'll tell you. BECAUSE I HAD NO IDEA WHAT OR WHO "THE PRO AT MALLORY IS" or what he does or looks like or where he lives as I don't play golf. The only "pros" I am aware of are those who get paid for playing golf like you see on television. Does the "pro" actually make The Villages rules that apply to all the Villages golf properties or just regurgitate what they "should be or probably are" like most here are doing because it says somewhere that only golfers who read them are aware of that says you can't walk on a GOLF COURSE.

For all I know the "PRO" was the guy who drives around in the golf cart with the water barrel on the back or sits in the hut listening to the radio which is why I wrote in the OP asking if someone would tell me who to contact. Someone ONE PERSON actually did answer my question which I appreciate and that is what I plan to do. So everyone feel free to continue this but since I actually did have a person kind enough to give me actual name(s) I will pursue it from there.

And just to end this as there is no need for any more replies I will say the actual MMP AKA GOLF CART PATH blind curve around Mallory is dangerous to walkers, runners and bicyclists and personally for me the hill going up the MMP heading south and north causes me bad pain in my knee & hip which is why EVERY DAY for the last almost 5 years I have avoided it by cutting it out using the "path/driveway/street/road/trail/cement/yellow brick road or whatever" that goes between the CC building and the golf course. After 5 years all of a sudden it's different per one guy. We have had a friendly relationship with every other guy in that hut for the last 5 years with NEVER an issue. Maybe this guy really was "The King of The Villages Golf." Avoiding that hill is one of the same reasons I bypass the hill into the tunnel at Stillwater and cross Morse traffic.

@MODERATOR ... feel free to close this thread.[/QUOTE]

[txfan]

But alas, there IS something they could do. They could watch and see if you go to the restaurant or bar, or are just on a walk. Then they could call the sheriff. Why are some people hot to defend an action that is clearly wrong?

“Could” and “would” are vastly different responses. It “clearly” is not wrong to walk through, but may not be all that safe on that particular path, which I know well.

It also is perfectly fine to grab a putter and practice on the “practice” greens without issue.

You’re using a “country club” mentality on courses that are pretty much glorified public golf course.

[Bill14564]

But alas, there IS something they could do. They could watch and see if you go to the restaurant or bar, or are just on a walk. Then they could call the sheriff. Why are some people hot to defend an action that is clearly wrong?

Probably the same reason some would defend driving 40mph on Buena Vista even though it is clearly wrong.

The OP is in the wrong (though he has made it clear that he won't accept that) but is walking on that golf cart path really worth calling the sheriff?

[MrFlorida]

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The Villages enforce its golf course trespassing rules to mitigate liability. If your are trespassing and injured by a golf cart driver our hit by an errant golf ball, you may have an injury claim. Unless they enforce their no trespassing rules. Just accept that you are incorrect and move on.
WILL SOMEONE PLEASE POST A LINK TO THESE "RULES" ??? They don't seem to exist in writing. I believe that when I see it in writing or on a posted sign THEN it is time to "move on." Everything else is just assumptions and quoting of "local rules."
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No, as I have no idea who or what or where they are and did ASK that question in my OP, who to contact. As I mention, we are not golfers.
Start with the Mallory hill Pro, Brady Godfrey, very nice person, call him or stop in. He can answer your questions or will refer you to whom to see.
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WILL SOMEONE PLEASE POST A LINK TO THESE "RULES" ??? They don't seem to exist in writing. I believe that when I see it in writing or on a posted sign THEN it is time to "move on." Everything else is just assumptions and quoting of "local rules."
From Golf in the Villages

Safety on the Course
• Golf courses are restricted to golfing traffic only.
• Please refrain from riding, biking, fishing, walking or
engaging in other recreational activities on the courses.
• Pets are not permitted on golf courses or practice facilities
at any time.


We have rules here for a reason, here are the rules, like them or not.....

[EdFNJ]

However, that path he's referring to leads to the Club House and Restaurant. I don't know that there is anything wrong with a couple having a drink or dinner, who might be heading up there, or departing for home, to use it? What I find odd is that Starter was able to reach you? His shack is a bit out of the way from that path? Are we sure you didn't roam toward his shack more? As for the blind curves, that's pretty much the same for any bend that goes into/out of residential neighborhoods?! It's always a risk. I wasn't going to reply anymore but you hit the proverbial nail on the head. THANK YOU! Obviously, "liability" isn't the issue. IN FACT the sign at the entrance on the MMP to that "path/street/driveway/cement path or whatever" specifically tells you to use that entrance to go to the COUNTRY CLUB AND THE PRO SHOP which also has a restroom. As stated before, IT WAS THE GAZEBO GUY IN THE PARKING LOT. Never went within 100 yards of the "starter shack". I would never do that since it is right ON THE GOLF COURSE! Guess they have to remove that sign from the MMP that tells you to use THAT entrance as well and not let anyone go to the CC or shop like a pro if they don't want anyone to use that "path/sidewalk/trail or cement driveway." It also doesn't say you have to DRIVE to the Country Club or the Pro shop using that entrance. LOL, maybe it's worth having the Gazebo Guy call the cops on me. Then maybe I could own part of the golf course. I wonder if "DAN" also does false arrests cases. :1rotfl: sorry Doc, I meant :1rotfl::1rotfl::1rotfl:

[mtlee024]

There is a 2 lane wide “golf cart driveway” (can’t think of a better way to describe it) that goes from the back of the Mallory CC parking lot down to Morse MMP which is on a hill overlooking the golf course and about 50 yards away from the course that leads to the driveway entrance to the golf course. This driveway bypasses the narrow blind curve by the tunnel that goes around Mallory CC. Wife and I have walked that “golf cart driveway” every morning for the last 4+ years and we take that path (bypass) to avoid the hill and blind curve by the Tunnel because one time I got clipped by a cart flying around the single lane blind curve while walking. Today a guy in the “booth” near this area (different one than who is usually there who we always say hello to) approached us like he was the King of Golf and told us we can’t walk there because it is “golf course property.” There is no signage that states “no pedestrians” or even that it is golf course property.

While I DO NOT DISPUTE WHETHER IT IS GOLF COURSE PROPERTY or not I do wonder if there is any specific RULE that says pedestrians are not permitted in that cart driveway which is not directly connected to the course in any way? THIS IS NOT ON OR NEAR the course or golf course path itself but up on a hill overlooking the course probably 50 yards down the hill from the course.

Who would I contact to discuss this if I want to question it or suggest they put a "no pedestrians" sign up if it is the case. If you are not familiar with this specific area you would have to see it to understand it's location relative to the course itself (it's nowhere near it).

Edit to add: If they decided to "enforce" this alleged rule what can they do since there are ZERO signs posted stating "no pedestrians" ? Unless it is properly marked what can they do?

The golf course property is Private Property for use of golfers who have paid to use the course. You wouldn't
want people waling through your yard all the time. It is a liability issue.

[Waltdisney4life]

So you think you should be able to walk wherever you want interesting and badmouth the starter for informing you of private property is the bad guy interesting again so everybody else is wrong and you were right!!!

[EdFNJ]

So you think you should be able to walk wherever you want interesting and badmouth the starter for informing you of private property is the bad guy interesting again so everybody else is wrong and you were right!!! LMAO, Everyone here has reading comprehension problems. It was Mallory parking lot Gazebo Guy not golf course Starter Guy.

[ElDiabloJoe]

Nope. Not even close. No waythat can be considered a GOLF COURSE. Maybe an access "road/trail/driveway or whatever" but thanks for the suggestion. ;) If this topic annoys you there is always the dog pee topic. :D

Ed, while I generally agree with you on many topics, we differ here.

You are being very strict in your definition of golf COURSE, to be just the grass golfing surface, it appears.

FWIW, the vehicle code from my prior state defines the roadway as the entire width of the driving surface, from the center of the road (double yellows) past the shoulder, over the curb, across the sidewalk, across any median grass and ALLLLL the way to the absolute furthest edge of the right-of-way. ALL of that is within the definition of "Roadway," not just the driving surface lanes.

The beach is not just the exact point where the ocean meets the sand and air. It is generally considered to include the water, the sand, the bike path, the concession stand, the pathways, the parking lot, etc.

A country club is not just the area under roof, it is reasonably believed to include the entire property including all facilities, parking areas, driveways, easements, etc.

The examples, while not directly germane, show it is not unreasonable to assume that ALLL areas within the golf course perimeter, are indeed, "Golf course."

Additionally, FWIW, trespass is generally a law consisting of two elements: 1) Being in a place where you have no right to be, and; 2) Being asked/told/directed/advised to leave and refusing to do so. While no cop would ever arrest for trespass unless you refused repeated and escalated directives to remove yourself, an entity could have you "arrested" (detained and cited and then released upon that written promise to appear) as a private person's arrest. You have clearly violated Element 1, and admitted to Element 2. Yes, it would likely be found that you are henceforth actually trespassing.

I don't have a dog in the fight, but as an objective observer, I think yours has lost.

[drcar]

LMAO, Everone here has reading comprehension problems. It was Gazebo Guy not Starter Guy.

#1 you stated you won't reply anymore
#2 the "Gazebo Guy" as you call him, is a golf employee, he is the Bag Drop Attendant
#3 The Gazebo is the bag drop station
#4 It is on Golf Course property
#5 it is located right next to the golf shop where the managers work
#6 As stated many time all you needed to is go in the shop and asked a simple question
#7 oh well, you are the replying anymore

[Chi-Town]

Give it up Ed
Don't lose your cred
The posts have all been read
Best to call the thread
Dead

[BrianL99]

There is so much….how shall I put it..lack of knowledge…in this post I don’t know where to begin.
“Man in gazebo” is a trained golf employee, working “bag drop”. He is also trained for all other positions, so he KNOWS the rules.
Golf balls are not all white.
You are trespassing.
Golf PRO is also the manager of each Country Club.
Stop embarrassing yourself with uneducated posts, educate yourself..and stop trespassing.





NO! WHY? you asked .......... . I'll tell you. BECAUSE I HAD NO IDEA WHAT OR WHO "THE PRO AT MALLORY IS" or what he does or looks like or where he lives as I don't play golf. The only "pros" I am aware of are those who get paid for playing golf like you see on television. Does the "pro" actually make The Villages rules that apply to all the Villages golf properties or just regurgitate what they "should be or probably are" like most here are doing because it says somewhere that only golfers who read them are aware of that says you can't walk on a GOLF COURSE.

For all I know the "PRO" was the guy who drives around in the golf cart with the water barrel on the back or sits in the hut listening to the radio which is why I wrote in the OP asking if someone would tell me who to contact. Someone ONE PERSON actually did answer my question which I appreciate and that is what I plan to do. So everyone feel free to continue this but since I actually did have a person kind enough to give me actual name(s) I will pursue it from there.

And just to end this as there is no need for any more replies I will say the actual MMP AKA GOLF CART PATH blind curve around Mallory is dangerous to walkers, runners and bicyclists and personally for me the hill going up the MMP heading south and north causes me bad pain in my knee & hip which is why EVERY DAY for the last almost 5 years I have avoided it by cutting it out using the "path/driveway/street/road/trail/cement/yellow brick road or whatever" that goes between the CC building and the golf course. After 5 years all of a sudden it's different per one guy. We have had a friendly relationship with every other guy in that hut for the last 5 years with NEVER an issue. Maybe this guy really was "The King of The Villages Golf." Avoiding that hill is one of the same reasons I bypass the hill into the tunnel at Stillwater and cross Morse traffic.

@MODERATOR ... feel free to close this thread.[/QUOTE]
& typically (as you said) Golf Professionals manage the golf course and environs.

Professional Golfers are the dudes playing on TV, shooting 65.

[BrianL99]

LMAO, Everyone here has reading comprehension problems. It was Mallory parking lot Gazebo Guy not golf course Starter Guy.
I don't think many folks on this thread have "comprehension problems" ... I the OP has problems, that extend far beyond reading or writing.

[dewilson58]

Is this the same Ed that has problems with POTUS and with women at pools??

:shocked:

[EdFNJ]

Is this the same Ed that has problems with POTUS and with women at pools?? :shocked: You "insinuations" are both false and malicious. Reported

[njbchbum]

Looks like ya can take EdFNJ out of Jersey butcha can't take the Jersey outta EdFNJ! lol

[EdFNJ]

Yup. Keep out. Don't go here, Private property. No walking but WELCOME, and come in here this way for fun and golf stuff! And NO, it doesn't say "golfers only", or "you can't walk to get there." Sorry folks, come up with all the excuses, lame and otherwise, or saying what their "INTENTIONS" are that you want but there is NOTHING that says "keep out private property." I also just found out (my wife just told me) one day when she walked by herself she was verbally accosted by some lady who followed her in her golf cart from the bottom of the trail all the way through the parking lot yelling at her so she started running and was followed to the exit gate.

[drcar]

Yup. Keep out. Don't go here, Private property. No walking but WELCOME, and come in here this way for fun and golf stuff! And NO, it doesn't say "golfers only", or "you can't walk to get there." Sorry folks, come up with all the excuses, lame and otherwise, or saying what their "INTENTIONS" are that you want but there is NOTHING that says "keep out private property." I also just found out (my wife just told me) one day when she walked by herself she was verbally accosted by some lady who followed her in her golf cart from the bottom of the trail all the way through the parking lot yelling at her so she started running and was followed to the exit gate.

LOL, you are still replying

[EdFNJ]

LOL, you are still replying :coolsmiley: You don't approve, use the BLOCK LIST and/or don't read further but thank you for your helpful reminder.

[drcar]

And you still haven't stated you have told your concerns to the management at Mallory. I told you before his name and title, but you didn't like that he his the golf pro, but he also is the facility manager. Until you address your concerns to management about staff and your rights to walk thru that area he have no case here. Therefore you are chasing your tail and you hold no credence.

[drcar]

:coolsmiley: You don't approve, use the BLOCK LIST and/or don't read further.

LOL, you are the one who said you were going to stop replying, I am just pointing out facts

[EdFNJ]

Ummm, no. He just asked a question if you (Ed) were the same Ed as the one who previously posted about other things. He knows EXACTLY what he is posting as I have been posting here for 5+ years and knows exactly who I am or who I am not but it's good you can read his mind. :)

[EdFNJ]

LOL, you are the one who said you were going to stop replying, I am just pointing out facts Thanks for the facts. Obviously quite important. You want the last word? Go for it.

[rustyp]

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EdFNJ - 21
golfing eagles - 14
drcar - 8

[EdFNJ]

And you still haven't stated you have told your concerns to the management at Mallory. I told you before his name and title, but you didn't like that he his the golf pro, but he also is the facility manager. Until you address your concerns to management about staff and your rights to walk thru that area he have no case here. Therefore you are chasing your tail and you hold no credence.Sorry, but i didn't know I had to report back to you. I went there at about 10:30 AM today and spoke to the 2 guys who were working there and they said he wasn't in and hearing what my wife just told me about what happened to her I know what probably precipitated this whole "suddenly after 5 years" event.

[drcar]

Didn't know I had to report back to you. But thanks for reading my mind (or where you secretly following me :D ) but I went there at about 10:30 AM today and spoke to the 2 guys who were working there and they said he wasn't in. Do you also know what I spoke to Debbie at Starbucks about this morning?

Glad to hear you went there, don't know who Debbie is, but this may surprise you, I for one think you have the right to walk there! Carefully!

[EdFNJ]

Glad to hear you went there, don't know who Debbie is, but this may surprise you, I for one think you have the right to walk there! Carefully! :bigbow:

Debbie is the manager but I removed here name (LOL) for privacy reasons!

[blueash]

If I were walking to eat at the country club and using, as perfectly appropriate and allowed the MMP thru the tunnel, I have two choices, turn left then go up the path used by Ed and enter the restaurant, or go right, continue on a MMP and then enter the front of the parking lot, cross thru the parking lot and enter the restaurant. Either way I am walking on a path with golf carts, either way I am walking on golf course land. The way Ed went is shorter and has less cart traffic and has lots of speed bumps to slow carts. It seems it is much safer to walk Ed's path than the other, and either way he is on golf course land.

So please drop the argument that the paths are only for golfers. That applies not to all paths on golf course land, but rather to paths that only are used for driving to and from and along the golf course. And they are clearly indicated with "golf course traffic only" signs

If every gazebo guy for five years had no issue with Ed walking this path, then one guy does, it is not unreasonable for Ed to ask whether his hundreds of times he was allowed to walk, seen walking, and smiled at while walking by golf course employees reflects the rule, or one guy who told him he can't walk there. I have no idea of the specifics, but he is asking a reasonable question given his experience, the layout and the signage.

[Bogie Shooter]

If I were walking to eat at the country club and using, as perfectly appropriate and allowed the MMP thru the tunnel, I have two choices, turn left then go up the path used by Ed and enter the restaurant, or go right, continue on a MMP and then enter the front of the parking lot, cross thru the parking lot and enter the restaurant. Either way I am walking on a path with golf carts, either way I am walking on golf course land. The way Ed went is shorter and has less cart traffic and has lots of speed bumps to slow carts. It seems it is much safer to walk Ed's path than the other, and either way he is on golf course land.

So please drop the argument that the paths are only for golfers. That applies not to all paths on golf course land, but rather to paths that only are used for driving to and from and along the golf course. And they are clearly indicated with "golf course traffic only" signs

If every gazebo guy for five years had no issue with Ed walking this path, then one guy does, it is not unreasonable for Ed to ask whether his hundreds of times he was allowed to walk, seen walking, and smiled at while walking by golf course employees reflects the rule, or one guy who told him he can't walk there. I have no idea of the specifics, but he is asking a reasonable question given his experience, the layout and the signage.

Yep, reasonable question ……but then 21 follow-up posts?