4th covid shot for immune compromised?

[billethkid]

I would think if one decided to get the 3rd shot (booster) in the initial days they would do so again for the 4th shot (booster).

The CDC direction is pretty specific. There does not seem to be much discussion regarding getting the 4th shot.


Using the same criteria we we did for shot number 3 we will be scheduling our 4th shot.

[Velvet]

The vaccine seems to wane starting 3rd or 4th month out. So it makes sense to get another if we only consider that. I can’t believe that her doctors did not protect the Queen enough to prevent her from getting Covid, at 96 she could be very vulnerable.

[drducat]

The vaccine seems to wane starting 3rd or 4th month out. So it makes sense to get another if we only consider that. I can’t believe that her doctors did not protect the Queen enough to prevent her from getting Covid, at 96 she could be very vulnerable.

They did all they could given that the shots don't work against getting covid at all.....

[Two Bills]

In UK an additional booster dose ( 4th. vaccination ) will be offered to all adults over-75 and the most vulnerable over-12s in the UK this spring.

All Covid restrictions will end in England on Thursday (24th Feb.) and free mass testing will stop from 1 April.

Que será, será!

[JMintzer]

The vaccine seems to wane starting 3rd or 4th month out. So it makes sense to get another if we only consider that. I can’t believe that her doctors did not protect the Queen enough to prevent her from getting Covid, at 96 she could be very vulnerable.

What could her doctors have done? This?

https://c.tenor.com/uDyb-e9cgjMAAAAM/bubble-bubble-boy.gif

[Velvet]

The doctors and her staff did not bring her probability of exposure down enough. She had official duties a week before meeting inside with people with no one wearing masks! Yes, I would have put her in the biggest bubble you ever saw. The virus is only a particle and the probabilities of exposure, are possible to control.

[JMintzer]

The doctors and her staff did not bring her probability of exposure down enough. She had official duties a week before meeting inside with people with no one wearing masks! Yes, I would have put her in the biggest bubble you ever saw. The virus is only a particle and the probabilities of exposure, are possible to control.

Here staff? Probably. Her doctors don't dictate what the Queen does...

[agjaret@aol.com]

CDC needs to release data.

[toeser]

I have had three shots, I'm over 75, and I'm done. The virus seems to be weaker now, and I have read far too much about the potential side effects of getting these vaccines over and over and over.

Everyone must make their own decision, and I've made mine.

[Spalumbos62]

Here staff? Probably. Her doctors don't dictate what the Queen does...

What about her airhead son? He just got over it and was with her. But she's a strong woman, even at her age she'll probably be fine, she's had all her shots.

[OhioBuckeye]

I would think if one decided to get the 3rd shot (booster) in the initial days they would do so again for the 4th shot (booster).

The CDC direction is pretty specific. There does not seem to be much discussion regarding getting the 4th shot.


Using the same criteria we we did for shot number 3 we will be scheduling our 4th shot.

I honestly thought when we got our 2nd shots that would be the end of it. I got the 3rd shot.(booster) Now they’re talking about we will need a 4th shot. Is this going to be an ongoing thing. Will it come to a 5th shot then on & on. It just seems to me that they are guessing. I personally don’t like all of this serum pumped into our bodies. To me it’s the ones that’s never had the 1st shot. What’s your opinion about this?

[frank1975]

Totally agree 100%

[billethkid]

I've stopped at one booster shot. But you go right ahead and got all the booster shots you want. JUST DON'T START TELLING PEOPLE THEY NEED A 4TH SHOT. WORRY ABOUT YOURSELF!!!!

NOBODY, said anything about "NEED" or worry!!!

[DonnaNi4os]

I have autoimmune disease am I’m planning on getting my 4th. It is almost 6 months since my third. Good luck in whatever you decide

[MDLNB]

I don't encourage OR discourage anyone from getting vaccinations. I only do what I think is right for me. I originally got the shots to protect my spouse. Since she did not get the booster, I did not either. We both caught the dreaded Covid, and she fared better than I. Of course, she is on all kinds of medication, and I take none. Even though I got it worst, it only amounted to symptoms equal to a mild cold. I treated it as a cold, with over the counter cold meds. I am not suggesting that anyone do the same. I am only discussing my part in this. Will I get the booster? Well, from what I have read and heard, those that have survived the infection have three times the protection of those that have the vaccination. You have even more if you have both the shots and the survival of the infection. I am not an expert, and do not pretend to know what the medical experts know, just rationalizing according to my sense on the matter. At this time, I will not get the booster. Sure, I am taking a chance or gamble that IF I become infected with the virus again, that I will be able to survive it just as easily as before. Maybe I won't and that will be on me. Three of my children have had the virus before there was a vaccination available to them. Their spouses and their children have also survived the virus. I think it would be much easier to accept the free vaccination IF we knew without a doubt that we would be protected from becoming infected. Not that I agree with some folks reasoning, but I think they reason that it is better to catch a very high survival rate illness, than to get what they believe is a fairly new serum that will not protect them from catching the virus, and are concerned of any long term side effects that may be detrimental to their health later in life. Seniors should not have to be concerned with "long term effects" considering they would probably not live long enough for those hypothetical effects to actually effect them.
No, in all likelihood, I probably won't get the first or second booster UNLESS I fear the possibility of the virus coming back stronger than before. What others do is entirely up to them. I see no benefit in discussing a third or fourth or even a fifth booster. If the OP is looking for validation, he/she will only get opinions from this forum.

[billethkid]

I don't encourage OR discourage anyone from getting vaccinations. I only do what I think is right for me. I originally got the shots to protect my spouse. Since she did not get the booster, I did not either. We both caught the dreaded Covid, and she fared better than I. Of course, she is on all kinds of medication, and I take none. Even though I got it worst, it only amounted to symptoms equal to a mild cold. I treated it as a cold, with over the counter cold meds. I am not suggesting that anyone do the same. I am only discussing my part in this. Will I get the booster? Well, from what I have read and heard, those that have survived the infection have three times the protection of those that have the vaccination. You have even more if you have both the shots and the survival of the infection. I am not an expert, and do not pretend to know what the medical experts know, just rationalizing according to my sense on the matter. At this time, I will not get the booster. Sure, I am taking a chance or gamble that IF I become infected with the virus again, that I will be able to survive it just as easily as before. Maybe I won't and that will be on me. Three of my children have had the virus before there was a vaccination available to them. Their spouses and their children have also survived the virus. I think it would be much easier to accept the free vaccination IF we knew without a doubt that we would be protected from becoming infected. Not that I agree with some folks reasoning, but I think they reason that it is better to catch a very high survival rate illness, than to get what they believe is a fairly new serum that will not protect them from catching the virus, and are concerned of any long term side effects that may be detrimental to their health later in life. Seniors should not have to be concerned with "long term effects" considering they would probably not live long enough for those hypothetical effects to actually effect them.
No, in all likelihood, I probably won't get the first or second booster UNLESS I fear the possibility of the virus coming back stronger than before. What others do is entirely up to them. I see no benefit in discussing a third or fourth or even a fifth booster. If the OP is looking for validation, he/she will only get opinions from this forum.

If I was looking for validation I would have stated it.
From my post:
There does not seem to be much discussion regarding getting the 4th shot.

[Cheiro]

Will be getting the 4th shot as soon as it is available. Have avoided the disease so far and want to continue the process.

[gdennis317]

Next Booster recommendation likely for early Fall. For those of us with other issues which can cause complications probably a good idea. Have had three full doses myself, have not grown horns or a third eye������

Good chance most everyone has had some exposure to Covid already, but like colds and the Flu new variations can lead to new infection.

Likely that yearly booster will be like a yearly flu shot. No big deal.

[Pat La Rosa]

I am 92 years old and do not plan on getting any more shots. I think this is all for the benefit of the drug companies bottom line. I really think if they did not mandate that you get the shots or else??????? the American people would decide for themselves if they want them or not. Most people are intelligent enough to make up their own minds. We don't need this stupid government to tell us what to take and what to not take. This country is beginning to feel like a dictatorship. What happened to this great country having a bunch of idiots telling all us smart people what we should and shouldn't do.

[Bogie Shooter]

I am 92 years old and do not plan on getting any more shots. I think this is all for the benefit of the drug companies bottom line. I really think if they did not mandate that you get the shots or else??????? the American people would decide for themselves if they want them or not. Most people are intelligent enough to make up their own minds. We don't need this stupid government to tell us what to take and what to not take. This country is beginning to feel like a dictatorship. What happened to this great country having a bunch of idiots telling all us smart people what we should and shouldn't do.
Whole lot to unpack from this post.
Out of respect to your 92 years…….I will pass on any comments.

[Decadeofdave]

It is between you and your physician. My family member had a lung transplant 2 years ago and the anti rejection drugs they are on reduce vax efficacy. Doc said get 2nd booster.

[asianthree]

After a severe reaction to half dose of first vaccine, all of my physicians are holding a strong No on any other chance of going forward with any vaccine. Never tested positive, for the last 2 plus years, still working in healthcare. Just lucky, or so immune to 40 plus years of being exposed to known, and unknown issues.

The rest of our family in healthcare have had 1or 2 doses of vaccine, but not the booster.

It’s a personal choice, between you and your healthcare provider

[SBaller]

Got the 4th shot from my doctor just this week. He said it just got approval if it has been at least 5 months since first booster. Funny we are not hearing too much about it.

[MDLNB]

Next Booster recommendation likely for early Fall. For those of us with other issues which can cause complications probably a good idea. Have had three full doses myself, have not grown horns or a third eye������

Good chance most everyone has had some exposure to Covid already, but like colds and the Flu new variations can lead to new infection.

Likely that yearly booster will be like a yearly flu shot. No big deal.


Unfortunately, this has NOT been a "yearly" booster. I wonder how many folks will get the booster IF you will need two or three per year to keep them current. I am NOT an anti-vaxxer, but I am not sure if I have any more protection with the vaccination than if I didn't have it. Especially, now that I have already had the virus and had my shots. "They" tell me that a couple of drinks a day won't hurt me, but they don't tell me how a couple of drinks will help me, either. Lots of arguments pro and con. Some keep saying that having the shots protect you from having to be hospitalized. Great, I get it. However, it is guesstimated that over 100 million Americans have been infected by the virus, but just haven't been hospitalized or documented.

This is not an argument, but just for sake of discussion. I don't disagree with anyone's thoughts above. Just throwing some thoughts out there.

[G.R.I.T.S.]

I have had three shots, I'm over 75, and I'm done. The virus seems to be weaker now, and I have read far too much about the potential side effects of getting these vaccines over and over and over.

Everyone must make their own decision, and I've made mine.

I’m with you!

[Jack58033]

Fourth shot. Where?

[toeser]

Fourth shot. Where?

In the arm as usual.

[jimjamuser]

The vaccine seems to wane starting 3rd or 4th month out. So it makes sense to get another if we only consider that. I can’t believe that her doctors did not protect the Queen enough to prevent her from getting Covid, at 96 she could be very vulnerable.
There seems to be some NEW data about CV and shots that suggest that 3 shots and even just 2 shots may build up resistance in the body enough for LONGER than originally thought. The science changes so I would suggest checking this out because I have heard only one report about this.

[jimjamuser]

They did all they could given that the shots don't work against getting covid at all.....
Untrue!

[MDLNB]

Glass half full-------------::
New omicron infections in the U.S. have plummeted 90% from a pandemic high in a little over a month.
The U.S. is reporting about 84,000 new cases per day on average, according to data compiled by Johns Hopkins University, down from a pandemic high of more than 800,000 daily cases on Jan. 15

[jimjamuser]

The doctors and her staff did not bring her probability of exposure down enough. She had official duties a week before meeting inside with people with no one wearing masks! Yes, I would have put her in the biggest bubble you ever saw. The virus is only a particle and the probabilities of exposure, are possible to control.
Agreed.

[jimjamuser]

I've stopped at one booster shot. But you go right ahead and got all the booster shots you want. JUST DON'T START TELLING PEOPLE THEY NEED A 4TH SHOT. WORRY ABOUT YOURSELF!!!!
This is a forum where TV Land people can learn from others' opinions and express their own opinions. People can say that other people should ONLY worry about themselves, but that would hinder the development of empathy, hinder free speech, and DISCOURAGE others from freely expressing their opinions.
.......Then there is another problem created by that - an airborne disease that intensifies and mutates among the people that decide for themselves when "enough is enough" without the best expert advice - will put not only themselves in danger, but also all their own family around them and ultimately all of US society. Humans are an interdependent species. Public health principles and institutions have been criticized like never before in recent US History.
......Basically, this situation like so many others is NOT over til it's over!

[Koapaka]

Will be getting the 4th shot as soon as it is available. Have avoided the disease so far and want to continue the process.

We have had exactly ZERO shots and avoided it as well...what makes you think anything you have had (so far) is the reason you have not been infected?????

[jimjamuser]

I honestly thought when we got our 2nd shots that would be the end of it. I got the 3rd shot.(booster) Now they’re talking about we will need a 4th shot. Is this going to be an ongoing thing. Will it come to a 5th shot then on & on. It just seems to me that they are guessing. I personally don’t like all of this serum pumped into our bodies. To me it’s the ones that’s never had the 1st shot. What’s your opinion about this?
Those that never got the 1st shot ARE a big problem. Also, digging in ones' heels and stubbornly disregarding additional expert medical advice is also a problem. I will get as many shots as often as needed and recommended by the majority of the expert medical advice. And for as long as I think that I am NOT as smart as hundreds of Medical Doctors.

[Koapaka]

After a severe reaction to half dose of first vaccine, all of my physicians are holding a strong No on any other chance of going forward with any vaccine. Never tested positive, for the last 2 plus years, still working in healthcare. Just lucky, or so immune to 40 plus years of being exposed to known, and unknown issues.

The rest of our family in healthcare have had 1or 2 doses of vaccine, but not the booster.

It’s a personal choice, between you and your healthcare provider

Can not help myself feeling all those items we were exposed to back in our working days were not the reason we have fared so well ourselves. Something to be said for this amazing gift of "immunity" the good Lord gave those of us that have exposed ourselves to everything over the years in service to others!

[Starfire]

Guess who is paying for all these Vaccine Shots? I can tell you it is not the drug companies. If I was a suspicious person, I might think that the drug companies (and their crony politicians) are intentionally extending the whole thing just to line the drug company pockets. But they would not do that, right?

[Garywt]

I had not heard about a 4th shot but if my oncologist calls to tell me to come in, I will.

[donfey]

I would think if one decided to get the 3rd shot (booster) in the initial days they would do so again for the 4th shot (booster).

The CDC direction is pretty specific. There does not seem to be much discussion regarding getting the 4th shot.


Using the same criteria we we did for shot number 3 we will be scheduling our 4th shot.

Given past "performance," we have ZERO confidence in the CDC.

[jimjamuser]

We have had exactly ZERO shots and avoided it as well...what makes you think anything you have had (so far) is the reason you have not been infected?????
Someone with Zero shots and zero tests could be blissfully wandering around society and be asymptomatic. Thus acting like a "typhoid Mary"!

[jimjamuser]

Can not help myself feeling all those items we were exposed to back in our working days were not the reason we have fared so well ourselves. Something to be said for this amazing gift of "immunity" the good Lord gave those of us that have exposed ourselves to everything over the years in service to others!
That could (?) be true.....or just plain luck. It might be possible to compare hospital and medical workers to non-hospital and non-medical workers. But, that would likely be a hard study to set up. The results would be interesting though.

[JMintzer]

Someone with Zero shots and zero tests could be blissfully wandering around society and be asymptomatic. Thus acting like a "typhoid Mary"!

As opposed to those who have been vaccinated and can just as easily transmit the virus?

[Northwoods]

I have had three shots, I'm over 75, and I'm done. The virus seems to be weaker now, and I have read far too much about the potential side effects of getting these vaccines over and over and over.

Everyone must make their own decision, and I've made mine.

Ditto.
I've had COVID twice. First time was before the vaccine. I was tired and had a headache - no respiratory issues.
The second time was after I had both doses of the vaccine (no booster). Symptoms were much worse, but I was not hospitalized (again no respiratory issues).
I know at least 10 people who have recently had COVID. All of them have had both shots plus the booster. Some have had the same symptoms I had... some had worse.
I am not going to get a booster shot.
Why?
1. Because it's not going to prevent me from getting COVID.
2. If I get COVID, it doesn't mean my symptoms will be less severe.
Everyone has to do what they feel is right for them. I respect everyone's decision. But for me... I'm not getting the booster.

[Northwoods]

Someone with Zero shots and zero tests could be blissfully wandering around society and be asymptomatic. Thus acting like a "typhoid Mary"!
Based on my experience, 100% of the people I know who have recently gotten COVID have been double vaccinated, and 90% had the booster. In fact, the people I know (just a few) who haven't gotten the vaccine still have not gotten COVID.

[Northwoods]

Those that never got the 1st shot ARE a big problem. Also, digging in ones' heels and stubbornly disregarding additional expert medical advice is also a problem. I will get as many shots as often as needed and recommended by the majority of the expert medical advice. And for as long as I think that I am NOT as smart as hundreds of Medical Doctors.
100% of the people I know who have recently gotten COVID have had both vaccines and the booster.
You may want to blame people that haven't gotten the vaccine. But based on what I have seen the virus is infecting people who have gotten the vaccine... and booster.
I know of 2 people who were double vaccinated and had the booster and died from COVID.

[OhioBuckeye]

Thanks for your input & your opinion. At least you expressed how you feel. Thank you!

[MDLNB]

Someone with Zero shots and zero tests could be blissfully wandering around society and be asymptomatic. Thus acting like a "typhoid Mary"!


Not a very good point. My wife is vaccinated and caught covid from a neighbor that was fully vaccinated and thought that she was protected. And she gave it to me and I am vaccinated. Yes, someone not vaccinated can be "blissfully wandering around society and be asymptomatic" but so can someone that is vaccinated. It's better just to say that those vaccinated are somewhat protected from the virus, not fully protected.

[billethkid]

Isn't the point of having the vaccination to reduce/eliminate hospitalization and death potential?

Not that the vaccine prevents being infected.

[gpk111]

I have had three shots, I'm over 75, and I'm done. The virus seems to be weaker now, and I have read far too much about the potential side effects of getting these vaccines over and over and over.

Please share any information you have found that describes side effects of getting vaccinated "over and over and over." I would be very interested, as I am considering getting my fourth shot.

Lots of data on side effects and breakthroughs or persistent symptoms, but nothing on adverse effects of a fourth shot when you have had no symptoms from the first three.

Thanks

[coffeebean]

Based on my experience, 100% of the people I know who have recently gotten COVID have been double vaccinated, and 90% had the booster. In fact, the people I know (just a few) who haven't gotten the vaccine still have not gotten COVID.
Unless an individual gets tested regularly and by regularly I mean at least once per week, NO ONE knows if they have had Covid or not. Asymptomatic infection is just that........asymptomatic. That means NO SYMPTOMS.

As an aside......I've been tested only twice for cruising and was negative both times. That may not mean I have not ever had Covid. I just may have but was asymptomatic, just like anyone else who claims they have never had Covid.

[coffeebean]

100% of the people I know who have recently gotten COVID have had both vaccines and the booster.
You may want to blame people that haven't gotten the vaccine. But based on what I have seen the virus is infecting people who have gotten the vaccine... and booster.
I know of 2 people who were double vaccinated and had the booster and died from COVID.

Just wondering.......were those two people who died from Covid immunocompromised? Folks who are immunocompromised do not get the full benefit, if any at all, of the vaccine protection.

[coffeebean]

Isn't the point of having the vaccination to reduce/eliminate hospitalization and death potential?

Not that the vaccine prevents being infected.

Yes. That is my understanding.

[JMintzer]

Isn't the point of having the vaccination to reduce/eliminate hospitalization and death potential?

Not that the vaccine prevents being infected.

That's the point NOW...

Initially, we were told that it would prevent infection... Yet here we are...

[Northwoods]

Just wondering.......were those two people who died from Covid immunocompromised? Folks who are immunocompromised do not get the full benefit, if any at all, of the vaccine protection.

One of the individuals was in their late 80's. I don't know the medical history of these individuals, but one of them was on a cruise right before they came down with COVID. So they were healthy enough to go on a cruise. I don't believe either individual had any life-threatening illness (eg. cancer).

[MDLNB]

One of the individuals was in their late 80's. I don't know the medical history of these individuals, but one of them was on a cruise right before they came down with COVID. So they were healthy enough to go on a cruise. I don't believe either individual had any life-threatening illness (eg. cancer).


So, they had their vaccinations before they left on their cruise and caught covid and died anyway, right? Not trying to imply anything, just wondering if we are still wanting to blame death by covid on the unvaccinated, or finally admitting that the vaccination is not quite the miracle elixir that everyone wishes it to be. I am not down playing the worth of the vaccination, and have mine but some folks seem to believe that it is ONLY the unvaccinated that are dying from covid. We were on line every morning to get our vaccinations, driving hours to our appointment, and still caught covid. Yes, it was a mild version, but the point is that you can't depend on just a vaccination to protect you. You must be prudent in your daily activities until this thing dies out, IF it does.

[Dorebea]

We have had exactly ZERO shots and avoided it as well...what makes you think anything you have had (so far) is the reason you have not been infected?????

IMO: I have not been hit by a car crossing the street but I still look both ways every time (as insurance!). Clearly the vax does not prevent covid but it does lessen the severity if it is contracted. And…there are documentated cases (in fact just saw one on the local news last night) about people with even mild covid symptoms suffering from longer term after effects (including balance issues, blood clots, lack of energy etc). Look at The Villages Newcomers (Jerry & Linda). They say they are not yet back to 100% more than 3 weeks after contracting covid with mild symptoms.

The rate of infection, especially severe infection went down consistently across the world as vaccinations increased. That correlation is good enough for me. Will I get / need a forth shot? Haven’t decided yet. I do get annual flu shots so maybe I’ll do an annual booster if that is recommended. Neither me nor anyone I know who was vaccinated has had severe reactions to the vaccine. On the other hand, you don’t get a ‘do-over’ if you forego the vaccine and become severely ill or worse yet, die. Not worth the risk to me.

[MDLNB]

We were both vaccinated, and we caught the dreaded covid. Even though she tested positive twice, she still insisted that she had nothing more than a mild cold. She still adamantly insists that it couldn't have been covid, since it was milder than colds she has had. On the other hand, I do not get the flu and hardly ever catch a cold. Probably ten years since I had a cold. Covid gave me a congested head and a sore throat and some coughing. No fever. My taste was distorted, which made tomato sauce based food taste terrible and sweet foods taste extra sweet. No effect on my sense of smell.
Supposedly, we now have an abundance of antibodies plus the vaccination so we should be in pretty good shape. Supposedly, those that have had covid have three times the protection of those that are vaccinated. Add the vaccination to that protection and we should be able to enjoy a fairly normal lifestyle. I probably won't be getting boosters for it. It is waning right now, and that looks to be a pretty good forecast for the future. That's my opinion and I did not mean to influence anyone else's decision. I may be totally wrong, but that is just my reasoning on the booster idea. One thing that also makes a difference is that I have NO medical issues, and that should be a consideration in anyone's rationale when making health care choices.

[Topspinmo]

I would think if one decided to get the 3rd shot (booster) in the initial days they would do so again for the 4th shot (booster).

The CDC direction is pretty specific. There does not seem to be much discussion regarding getting the 4th shot.


Using the same criteria we we did for shot number 3 we will be scheduling our 4th shot.


All about money 💰. Why stop at 4.

[MDLNB]

You're talking about a 4th shot and currently we are being told to delay getting the second shot for a few more weeks, instead of getting it at four weeks. Not sure if they are even sure about what is best, but like some say....their information is "evolving." Who knows if a third shot (booster) is even needed. Or, maybe they want us to get a booster every three months. I've been vaccinated and still got the covid so I don't know if a booster is even needed FOR ME.

[waterflower]

Do you think you were played....

[Bay Kid]

Who to believe? So easy to be lied to.

[billethkid]

Media/political success story.....mass confusion!!

[Wyseguy]

What could her doctors have done? This?

https://c.tenor.com/uDyb-e9cgjMAAAAM/bubble-bubble-boy.gif

Please STOP. Do not give them any ideas.

[Wyseguy]

I have had three shots, I'm over 75, and I'm done. The virus seems to be weaker now, and I have read far too much about the potential side effects of getting these vaccines over and over and over.

Everyone must make their own decision, and I've made mine.

Waiting to see if you disappear before commenting.

[Wyseguy]

I had not heard about a 4th shot but if my oncologist calls to tell me to come in, I will.

Gary, my onc advised against the vaccine. I developed a low grade fever (under 100) and a sore throat in end of January.. I was set to get the monoclonal treatment, however that option was taken away. Treated with a strange assortment of meds. The symptoms hung around for a couple of weeks, but never got worse. I do not know if the meds halted and reversed the virus progression. The only thing I do know is that I wish there was more transparency around the tests conducted by the vax companies, and more options to treat the illness.

[OrangeBlossomBaby]

If the CDC and the FDA recommend and approve a 4th booster for my demographic, I'll get the 4th booster. As long as it's recommended and approved by the CDC and FDA, my insurance will cover it. If it turns out to be another yearly shot like the flu shot, I'll get them both every year. I had the flu once a few years ago. Not interested in going down that route again.

My sister and husband both have had COVID. My husband had the current Omicron version - felt miserable for a few days but was otherwise his usual self. Sister was sick as a dog for months, lost her sense of taste and smell, had trouble breathing, trouble moving, any worse and she would've needed hospitalization.

I'm not interested in finding out how badly I'd experience it, if I caught it.

[Nucky]

I am 92 years old and do not plan on getting any more shots. I think this is all for the benefit of the drug companies bottom line. I really think if they did not mandate that you get the shots or else??????? the American people would decide for themselves if they want them or not. Most people are intelligent enough to make up their own minds. We don't need this stupid government to tell us what to take and what to not take. This country is beginning to feel like a dictatorship. What happened to this great country having a bunch of idiots telling all us smart people what we should and shouldn't do.

Hey, Pat did you have a conversation with my Primary Doctor? :1rotfl: He just told me the same thing you said almost word for word. He and his wife will not be getting shot #4.

He did advise me to get the shot. So shot #4 for me on Monday. What the hell. :super:

I am not a Doctor or advisor to others about their decision on any shot. It's none of my business.

[unialimon]

If the CDC and the FDA recommend and approve a 4th booster for my demographic, I'll get the 4th booster. As long as it's recommended and approved by the CDC and FDA, my insurance will cover it. If it turns out to be another yearly shot like the flu shot, I'll get them both every year. I had the flu once a few years ago. Not interested in going down that route again.

My sister and husband both have had COVID. My husband had the current Omicron version - felt miserable for a few days but was otherwise his usual self. Sister was sick as a dog for months, lost her sense of taste and smell, had trouble breathing, trouble moving, any worse and she would've needed hospitalization.

I'm not interested in finding out how badly I'd experience it, if I caught it.

This is why home prices will be so much lower in a couple years.

[MDLNB]

Hey, Pat did you have a conversation with my Primary Doctor? :1rotfl: He just told me the same thing you said almost word for word. He and his wife will not be getting shot #4.

He did advise me to get the shot. So shot #4 for me on Monday. What the hell. :super:

I am not a Doctor or advisor to others about their decision on any shot. It's none of my business.


My wife said she has no intention of getting a booster, period. She is a cancer survivor and has diabetes, had two shots and recently survived covid.

My doctor examined my blood work and mentioned that I had my two shots. Did not ask me if I wanted a booster, and I didn't bother asking him if I should.

[billethkid]

One who would be 80-85 years or more old probably has a different view on whether to vax 4 or not.

[Velvet]

It was never a question for me. Looked to see how the thousands people over 50 who got 4th shot were doing in Israel. They are doing fine. The vaccine doesn’t cost me anything, so everything is looking good.

[JMintzer]

This is why home prices will be so much lower in a couple years.

Huh? Care to exaplin?

[camaguey48]

I've stopped at one booster shot. But you go right ahead and got all the booster shots you want. JUST DON'T START TELLING PEOPLE THEY NEED A 4TH SHOT. WORRY ABOUT YOURSELF!!!!
The sheep are helping Big Pharma boost their profits.

[camaguey48]

It was never a question for me. Looked to see how the thousands people over 50 who got 4th shot were doing in Israel. They are doing fine. The vaccine doesn’t cost me anything, so everything is looking good.
Doesn't cost you anything? Wanna bet?

[coffeebean]

That's the point NOW...

Initially, we were told that it would prevent infection... Yet here we are...

I do not recall ever being told that the mRNA vaccines will prevent infection. Only "sterilizing" vaccines can prevent infection. mRNA vaccines are NOT sterilizing vaccines.

I recall VERY VIVIDLY thinking, "thank goodness I'm fully vaccinated because I will not become hospitalized and die from this virus if I get infected. I never ever thought I would never become infected with the virus because I was vaccinated with an mRNA vaccine. MSM "hammered" that fact with every reporting about the mRNA vaccines.

I don't know about the J&J vaccine because that is not the vaccine I was given and therefore did no reading about that one at all.

As an aside......."sterilizing immunity vaccines" do not make a human sterile. What they do is offer sterilizing immunity meaning the virus can not infect an individual who has been vaccinated. I do not understand why people continue to think that our Covid vaccines offer sterilizing immunity to every person who is vaccinated. They never have.

Read about sterilizing immunity............

COVID-19 Vaccines: The Myth of '''Sterilizing Immunity''' - The Atlantic (https://www.theatlantic.com/science/archive/2021/09/sterilizing-immunity-myth-covid-19-vaccines/620023/)

Coronavirus: few vaccines prevent infection – here's why that's not a problem (https://theconversation.com/coronavirus-few-vaccines-prevent-infection-heres-why-thats-not-a-problem-152204)

[coffeebean]

One of the individuals was in their late 80's. I don't know the medical history of these individuals, but one of them was on a cruise right before they came down with COVID. So they were healthy enough to go on a cruise. I don't believe either individual had any life-threatening illness (eg. cancer).

Cancer is not the only condition that can make an individual immunocompromised. You just never know by looking at someone who may be immunocompromised. Someone in their late 80s could die from the common cold so there is that.

[coffeebean]

So, they had their vaccinations before they left on their cruise and caught covid and died anyway, right? Not trying to imply anything, just wondering if we are still wanting to blame death by covid on the unvaccinated, or finally admitting that the vaccination is not quite the miracle elixir that everyone wishes it to be. I am not down playing the worth of the vaccination, and have mine but some folks seem to believe that it is ONLY the unvaccinated that are dying from covid. We were on line every morning to get our vaccinations, driving hours to our appointment, and still caught covid. Yes, it was a mild version, but the point is that you can't depend on just a vaccination to protect you. You must be prudent in your daily activities until this thing dies out, IF it does.
Having a strong robust immune system will most likely prevent a vaccinated individual from dying of this virus. Not so however, in unvaccinated individuals. They take their chances and seem to be very proud to do that.

At this point, Omicron seems to be no more than the common cold in individuals with a strong immune system who are fully vaccinated and boosted. Those who are not vaccinated.......good luck to you.

[coffeebean]

All about money 💰. Why stop at 4.

Do you feel the same way about the annual flu vaccine? Is that a money grab too?

[asianthree]

Do you feel the same way about the annual flu vaccine? Is that a money grab too?

One and only flu shot was 2002, with a lovely anaphylactic reaction, good news is I have never had the flu.
1/2 dose of first Moderna vaccine with severe reaction. Big Pharm doesn’t make any money off of me.

Many don’t get flu vaccine, do quite well without

[Northwoods]

Having a strong robust immune system will most likely prevent a vaccinated individual from dying of this virus. Not so however, in unvaccinated individuals. They take their chances and seem to be very proud to do that.

At this point, Omicron seems to be no more than the common cold in individuals with a strong immune system who are fully vaccinated and boosted. Those who are not vaccinated.......good luck to you.

Interesting perspective. I know many unvaccinated individuals who easily survived COVID (I was one of them... I got it before the vaccine was available. I know a number of people who survived before the vaccine was available. One of them was on a pacemaker and had respiratory issues... yet... they survived).

I got COVID a second time after I was vaccinated twice. I was sicker the second time.

Based on my experience and knowing a number of people who have had COVID... It's just not that simple. Unvaccinated people survive. Vaccinated people who have had the booster die. (and...Unvaccinated die...Vaccinated people survive).

Personally, I think people have to do what they think is right for them. And I think people have to stop judging people for making decisions that aren't in alignment with what they might think.

[JMintzer]

I do not recall ever being told that the mRNA vaccines will prevent infection. Only "sterilizing" vaccines can prevent infection. mRNA vaccines are NOT sterilizing vaccines.

Then your memory is faulty. The POTUS told us exactly that. Faucci told us exactly that. Maddow told us exactly that...

I believe her words were, "If you get the vaccine, the virus stops. You cannot catch it and you cannot spread it..."

[MDLNB]

Do you feel the same way about the annual flu vaccine? Is that a money grab too?


I have no opinion on the flu vaccine, since I have not had a flu shot since 1970 and have NEVER had the flu. I just haven't felt it necessary for me. I am glad that others get the flu shot to protect them, though. Some folks get pretty ill from the flu. Like I said, I have never had the flu (that I know of) and rarely every catch a cold. When I do catch a cold, my symptoms are usually gone in two days. I did catch the dreaded Covid, but it must have been a mild case. I did my duty and stayed home for five days (or more) and wore a mask for over five days when I went out after that.

There is no doubt that Pharma makes big bucks off of their products. That's the American way and I have no problem with it. I do hate it when other countries get the same product for a tenth of what we have to shell out for the same thing. I have no problem with folks making a profit via our Free Enterprise, but darn it cost us a bunch.

[JMintzer]

Do you feel the same way about the annual flu vaccine? Is that a money grab too?

Is the Flu Shot mandated?

[Bill14564]

Then your memory is faulty. The POTUS told us exactly that. Faucci told us exactly that. Maddow told us exactly that...

I believe her words were, "If you get the vaccine, the virus stops. You cannot catch it and you cannot spread it..."

She certainly should have said she didn't recall hearing that from a reliable source. I have heard many, many things claimed about the vaccines that are not true; I have heard the claims made, but not from a reliable source. Reliable sources, to my recollection, have been consistent that the vaccines provide very good protection against serious illness but are not a guarantee against becoming infected.

POTUS - *should* be reliable but "messaging" and "optics" get in the way
Maddow - laughable (as are Carlson, Hannity, Reid, and most of the others)
Fauci - interesting FactCheck.org article (https://www.factcheck.org/2021/01/video-misinterprets-faucis-comments-on-covid-19-vaccine/) from January 2021 quotes him as saying:
“You could be prevented from getting clinical disease, and still have the virus that is in your nasopharynx because you could get infected,” he said. “We’re not sure, at this point, that the vaccine protects you against getting infected.”
Fauci talks a lot and therefore gets misinterpreted a lot. It is quite possible that in another interview something else was said. Plus, I believe he admitted to a "noble lie" which certainly doesn't help his credibility.

[Bill14564]

Is the Flu Shot mandated?

Yes for the military, some healthcare workers, and some universities. There could be more but that is as far as I looked.

[dougjb]

If the medical profession informs us that a fourth or fifth dose is necessary, I don't see why people suddenly become the "experts" and reject sound medical advice. Do you take an annual flu shot? If you don't, is that a choice? That choice might mean you expose YOURSELF to getting ill, not others. Not getting a Covid booster is not for you alone; it is for the others that you might just infect due to your "choice". Personally, I have never heard of a "choice" where your decision allows you to put others in harm's way. Moreover, by not getting boosters when the medical profession recommends it allows the virus to mutate once again, perhaps into something even nastier than what we have already experienced.

So...

Get the shot and quit your whining!

[thelegges]

If the medical profession informs us that a fourth or fifth dose is necessary, I don't see why people suddenly become the "experts" and reject sound medical advice. Do you take an annual flu shot? If you don't, is that a choice? That choice might mean you expose YOURSELF to getting ill, not others. Not getting a Covid booster is not for you alone; it is for the others that you might just infect due to your "choice". Personally, I have never heard of a "choice" where your decision allows you to put others in harm's way. Moreover, by not getting boosters when the medical profession recommends it allows the virus to mutate once again, perhaps into something even nastier than what we have already experienced.

So...

Get the shot and quit your whining!

Most who are doing the whining are those who think they know best for someone else.

For some get the shot and have severe reaction..No thanks..

[MDLNB]

If the medical profession informs us that a fourth or fifth dose is necessary, I don't see why people suddenly become the "experts" and reject sound medical advice. Do you take an annual flu shot? If you don't, is that a choice? That choice might mean you expose YOURSELF to getting ill, not others. Not getting a Covid booster is not for you alone; it is for the others that you might just infect due to your "choice". Personally, I have never heard of a "choice" where your decision allows you to put others in harm's way. Moreover, by not getting boosters when the medical profession recommends it allows the virus to mutate once again, perhaps into something even nastier than what we have already experienced.

So...

Get the shot and quit your whining!


I'm not whining, but I think that I am going to skip the booster and any more until I feel I might need it. I am not going to let someone on here tell me to "get the shot...etc." just because they are scared of catching it. The shot does not keep me from giving it to you. It might help me,,,period. I got my two shots and I have had covid, therefore I have an idea of what my body can accept. Next week there is a likelihood that they will tell us to return to normal.

And yes, the military requires one to be vaccinated. However, I did not get vaccinated for the flu and was still able to work. I spent ten of my years in the military without getting the flu shot. No repercussions.

If you want to get the shot then go for it. No one is stopping you. Do not presume to demand that I get it, on the pretense that it is going to protect you.

I am not anti-vax. I've had plenty of vaccinations when I traveled overseas. But, some medications I won't take because I do not believe I need them. Example: if I do not intend on traveling to a hot spot, I am not going to take malaria medication. But, that is just me and I will NOT advise anyone else on whether they should or should not get their shots. That is a personal decision.

[TNLAKEPANDA]

No way in hell… I did my research and did not just listen to government propaganda. I will sit back and watch the long term effects.

Stay healthy by eating a proper human diet… take supplements… do some exercise and Loose Weight.

[Velvet]

If the medical profession informs us that a fourth or fifth dose is necessary, I don't see why people suddenly become the "experts" and reject sound medical advice. Do you take an annual flu shot? If you don't, is that a choice? That choice might mean you expose YOURSELF to getting ill, not others. Not getting a Covid booster is not for you alone; it is for the others that you might just infect due to your "choice". Personally, I have never heard of a "choice" where your decision allows you to put others in harm's way. Moreover, by not getting boosters when the medical profession recommends it allows the virus to mutate once again, perhaps into something even nastier than what we have already experienced.

So...

Get the shot and quit your whining!

I agree to a certain extent, but people may or may not take sound medical advice because 1) what works for the majority of people may not work for them, especially if they have noticed it in the past. For example, I was recommended way higher dosage of certain vitamins than what my body liked. 2) each person has one body, they try to do the best they can with their body. “Sound” medical advice is based on what we know about something so far… that is why as we learn more about this virus, and as the virus evolves, the advice also changes (to an extent). Your body is the only one you have so it is prudent to take the best advice you trust, observe, experience. In the end the quality of your life depends largely on the quality of care you give yourself.

(As far as Covid vac goes I’m ready for my tri-monthly appointments, bring it on!)

[JMintzer]

Yes for the military, some healthcare workers, and some universities. There could be more but that is as far as I looked.

But nothing like the Covid Vaccine was the point...

[JMintzer]

If the medical profession informs us that a fourth or fifth dose is necessary, I don't see why people suddenly become the "experts" and reject sound medical advice. Do you take an annual flu shot? If you don't, is that a choice? That choice might mean you expose YOURSELF to getting ill, not others. Not getting a Covid booster is not for you alone; it is for the others that you might just infect due to your "choice". Personally, I have never heard of a "choice" where your decision allows you to put others in harm's way. Moreover, by not getting boosters when the medical profession recommends it allows the virus to mutate once again, perhaps into something even nastier than what we have already experienced.

So...

Get the shot and quit your whining!

No, if you get the flu, you most certainly can expose others...

And yes, I get the flu shot. But that's because I spend my days in a hospital setting, full of sick people...

Same reason I decided to get the Covid shot AFTER I already had gotten and recovered from Covid... But both were MY decision...

[MDLNB]

Someone with Zero shots and zero tests could be blissfully wandering around society and be asymptomatic. Thus acting like a "typhoid Mary"!


And someone WITH three shots could be "blissfully wandering around society and be asymptomatic. Thus acting like a "typhoid Mary" Some folks are forgetting that NOW folks that have their shots are being infected and are also contagious.

[Taurus510]

If the medical profession informs us that a fourth or fifth dose is necessary, I don't see why people suddenly become the "experts" and reject sound medical advice. Do you take an annual flu shot? If you don't, is that a choice? That choice might mean you expose YOURSELF to getting ill, not others. Not getting a Covid booster is not for you alone; it is for the others that you might just infect due to your "choice". Personally, I have never heard of a "choice" where your decision allows you to put others in harm's way. Moreover, by not getting boosters when the medical profession recommends it allows the virus to mutate once again, perhaps into something even nastier than what we have already experienced.

So...

Get the shot and quit your whining!

Trouble is….people who have gotten the vaccination are still getting the Chinese virus and spreading it. Just like the unvaccinated. And I’ll say this again, even though I was attacked for stating my own personal experience in another thread. My wife and I both got the rona. We are both vaccinated. Our daughter got the Rona about the same time. She is unvaccinated. All three of our symptoms were the same, like a mild flu. I have spoken to others that are unvaccinated and they have told me the same thing, it was like a mild flu. Do NOT misunderstand. I know people who have died from it. I am NOT saying it isn’t serious. Just like the flu. But my PERSONAL EXPERIENCE tells me that the vaccine doesn’t lessen the symptoms.

[thelegges]

CDC announced that 64 and under should wait more weeks between dose. Little late for millions already on 2 and 3rd dose. Of course big pharmaceutical made billions on vaccine, guessing they will be giving bonus to employees

[coffeebean]

Then your memory is faulty. The POTUS told us exactly that. Faucci told us exactly that. Maddow told us exactly that...

I believe her words were, "If you get the vaccine, the virus stops. You cannot catch it and you cannot spread it..."

I never heard Fauci say that. I can not speak to POTUS about it. I never watched Madow but she was absolutely WRONG to say that if she did.

What do you think those vaccine efficacy percentages were about? We were NEVER EVER told that the mRNA vaccines would prevent Covid 100% of the time. The Moderna vaccine has a bit better efficacy than Pfizer but they were both in the 90s efficacy. That means that there most certainly is a chance that people will contract Covid.

We were told that if an individual was fully vaccinated, they would not be hospitalized and would not die of Covid. THAT certainly did not pan out though for people who are immunocompromised. Unfortunately, individuals who are immunocompromised do not have a strong immune response and some have such a poor response, they have no protection from the virus.

These Covid vaccines that we have are not sterilizing immunity vaccines. That means the vaccines do not sterilize the virus and the virus can still replicate. I don't know where you got your information from but I certainly recall different information than you do.

[coffeebean]

Is the Flu Shot mandated?

Of course not. Not for the general population.

[coffeebean]

She certainly should have said she didn't recall hearing that from a reliable source. I have heard many, many things claimed about the vaccines that are not true; I have heard the claims made, but not from a reliable source. Reliable sources, to my recollection, have been consistent that the vaccines provide very good protection against serious illness but are not a guarantee against becoming infected.

POTUS - *should* be reliable but "messaging" and "optics" get in the way
Maddow - laughable (as are Carlson, Hannity, Reid, and most of the others)
Fauci - interesting FactCheck.org article (https://www.factcheck.org/2021/01/video-misinterprets-faucis-comments-on-covid-19-vaccine/) from January 2021 quotes him as saying:
“You could be prevented from getting clinical disease, and still have the virus that is in your nasopharynx because you could get infected,” he said. “We’re not sure, at this point, that the vaccine protects you against getting infected.”
Fauci talks a lot and therefore gets misinterpreted a lot. It is quite possible that in another interview something else was said. Plus, I believe he admitted to a "noble lie" which certainly doesn't help his credibility.

I only get my information from reliable sources. Conspiracy theory sites and sources have never been a news source for me.

[coffeebean]

Yes for the military, some healthcare workers, and some universities. There could be more but that is as far as I looked.

Interesting. In my professional career, I was offered the flu shot but was always able to decline it. My very first flu shot in my life was when Covid came on the scene. I think I had the flu once back in the early 70s but was not going to chance it when Covid was killing masses of people.

[camaguey48]

CDC-Center for Dictatorial Coercion.

[coffeebean]

If the medical profession informs us that a fourth or fifth dose is necessary, I don't see why people suddenly become the "experts" and reject sound medical advice. Do you take an annual flu shot? If you don't, is that a choice? That choice might mean you expose YOURSELF to getting ill, not others. Not getting a Covid booster is not for you alone; it is for the others that you might just infect due to your "choice". Personally, I have never heard of a "choice" where your decision allows you to put others in harm's way. Moreover, by not getting boosters when the medical profession recommends it allows the virus to mutate once again, perhaps into something even nastier than what we have already experienced.

So...

Get the shot and quit your whining!

No whining from me. I'm waiting for the recommendation for the second booster or maybe even a third full dose. I will roll up my sleeve ASAP when I am eligible.

[coffeebean]

Most who are doing the whining are those who think they know best for someone else.

For some get the shot and have severe reaction..No thanks..

Just wondering..........besides a high fever (104) and all the rotton side effects of a fever, what do you consider a "severe" reaction?

[coffeebean]

And someone WITH three shots could be "blissfully wandering around society and be asymptomatic. Thus acting like a "typhoid Mary" Some folks are forgetting that NOW folks that have their shots are being infected and are also contagious.

Vaccinated people are LESS LIKELY to become infected. Un-vaccinated individuals are MORE LIKELY to become infected.

Read about it here.......
You're Far Less Likely to Spread the Coronavirus If You're Vaccinated (https://www.healthline.com/health-news/vaccinated-people-can-transmit-the-coronavirus-but-its-still-more-likely-if-youre-unvaccinated)

[Taurus510]

Of course not.
I think that was his point.

[Velvet]

CDC-Center for Dictatorial Coercion.

You want see coercion, in some African countries Covid vaccine is mandated at gun point (WSJ).

[JMintzer]

I never heard Fauci say that. I can not speak to POTUS about it. I never watched Madow but she was absolutely WRONG to say that if she did.

What do you think those vaccine efficacy percentages were about? We were NEVER EVER told that the mRNA vaccines would prevent Covid 100% of the time. The Moderna vaccine has a bit better efficacy than Pfizer but they were both in the 90s efficacy. That means that there most certainly is a chance that people will contract Covid.

We were told, initially, that if got vaccinated you had a 90-95% chance of NOT GETTING Covid... And yes, I understand that there is always a chance, just like with the annual flu shot...

We were told that if an individual was fully vaccinated, they would not be hospitalized and would not die of Covid. THAT certainly did not pan out though for people who are immunocompromised. Unfortunately, individuals who are immunocompromised do not have a strong immune response and some have such a poor response, they have no protection from the virus.

That came much later. Well after they found out the vaccine wasn't nearly as effective as initially advertised...

These Covid vaccines that we have are not sterilizing immunity vaccines. That means the vaccines do not sterilize the virus and the virus can still replicate. I don't know where you got your information from but I certainly recall different information than you do.

Irrelevant to the conversation...

And just to jog your memory, here's Fauci saying exactly what I said he did...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8CG8aI4XCGw

[asianthree]

Just wondering..........besides a high fever (104) and all the rotton side effects of a fever, what do you consider a "severe" reaction?

ED saw patients immediate rash, from injection site, upward to neck and face, difficulty breathing, in some cases required intervention

Problematic patients had appointments in hospital setting just for that reason. Those who have anaphylactic issues with any vaccine, usually were denied by their physicians. Some Immuno compromised that had reaction to any vaccine, were brought in to hospital setting, give a half dose and wait for a reaction.
More people than you will ever know didn’t just get the mild ache, headache, joint issues. Anaphylactic patients are a known group, with serious precautions taken, for any medication. In many cases such as our family, anaphylactic reaction goes on for 5 generations.

Physicians having to use an intervention to keep patients breathing, That’s a severe reaction.

[camaguey48]

You want see coercion, in some African countries Covid vaccine is mandated at gun point (WSJ).
Here, not at gun point, but at risk of losing your job if you don't comply. That is also coercion. Get your jabs and your boosters if that makes you safe. I still believe in America and liberty and I will not comply. I'm fully vaccinated.......by the blood of Jesus.

[MartinSE]

There was recently a lady posting on TOTV whose husband had a stroke (or smoother event) and had slow response at the hospital emergency room. I felt for her, my brother (78) in Texas just had a stroke and care was slow also - in Texas.

The staff was thin and exhausted and still not recovered from the massive work load of unvaccinated patients they were swamped with. I don't know if that is what this ladies situation was, but I do know my doctor at the VA has told me the same was true there. I recently (a few weeks ago) had to go to the emergency room at the VA in Gainesville, and spoke with many of the nurses and doctors there, and they were completely exhausted. Again, because they had been over run by patients that had NOT been vaccinated.

I don't know all the stuff people talk about here, and I don't know enough to say if I should or shouldn't get another shot, I just do what my doctor tells me to do. I feel it is the least I can do to help them provide the care and treatment I need more and more often as I get older. To me it is about being a good neighbor.

[unialimon]

I only get my information from reliable sources. Conspiracy theory sites and sources have never been a news source for me.

I thought you said you only got your information from reliable sources?

[Bogie Shooter]

Here, not at gun point, but at risk of losing your job if you don't comply. That is also coercion. Get your jabs and your boosters if that makes you safe. I still believe in America and liberty and I will not comply. I'm fully vaccinated.......by the blood of Jesus.

You got a drivers license?
Wear a seat belt?
Have car insurance?
Pay your taxes?
Need I go on?

[Velvet]

Here, not at gun point, but at risk of losing your job if you don't comply. That is also coercion. Get your jabs and your boosters if that makes you safe. I still believe in America and liberty and I will not comply. I'm fully vaccinated.......by the blood of Jesus.

Well that should definitely help you, in heaven. Where it counts anyways. I hope to get there too but in the meantime I’d like a few more happy years here….

Personally, I’ll do whatever it takes to keep my family and myself healthy. But my daughter won’t get the vaccine, she didn’t say why. Fortunately she has not caught this horrible virus so far. I have to bite my tongue but it is her choice and she is an adult.

As far as jobs go, no one has a right to any job. One has to earn the privilege to work for money. The employer can set the conditions, and the person seeking the job can say, “I don’t think so.” Until you are physically tied down and forced to get a shot…

[Topspinmo]

Whole lot to unpack from this post.
Out of respect to your 92 years…….I will pass on any comments.

Well, if get to 92 then I would comment.

[davem4616]

I'll take my chances after two and the booster

[Topspinmo]

Do you feel the same way about the annual flu vaccine? Is that a money grab too?

Yes, for me. I rarely get flu or catch cold. But, that’s me. Now, in another 10 years or less I might be old, weak enough, and my body failing?

I wondered how all the people (not working) caught Covid? Did they NOT take the advise like staying away from crowds, indoor or out, not eating out where IMO your odds go up dramatically of catching everything that’s going around, air borne, from strange people around you, or in the food. Large percentage that can’t follow simple instructions IMO so rest of us has to suffer.

[rrtjp]

Wife and I got the first 2 shots and decided that’s it. Not going to keep getting booster shots every few months for whatever new variant that pops up. In my opinion the only people that will be benefitting now from all these booster shots will be the drug manufacturers. Sorry but I personally do not have a whole lot of confidence in these drug companies, these are the same companies that every year can’t get the flu vaccine right, they can’t predict which flu variant we will getting every flu season. The flu has been around a lot longer than COVID, so I am finding it difficult to believe that these same drug manufacturers truly have a handle on the COVID booster shots. This is a personal choice for everyone.

[MDLNB]

Vaccinated people are LESS LIKELY to become infected. Un-vaccinated individuals are MORE LIKELY to become infected.

Read about it here.......
You're Far Less Likely to Spread the Coronavirus If You're Vaccinated (https://www.healthline.com/health-news/vaccinated-people-can-transmit-the-coronavirus-but-its-still-more-likely-if-youre-unvaccinated)


"Less likely?" Ok, I'll give you that since I cannot prove otherwise. However, all the folks that I know NOW that are infected, have been vaccinated. Of course, it is always good to have the positive feeling that one has made the right decision when you think others have not. Why not say something that CAN possibly be proved and that those that have the vaccination will have milder symptoms than those that did not receive the vaccination? Of course, I also know of many family members that caught the dreaded covid prior to vaccinations being available and they had minor symptoms, milder than my own that I incurred after being vaccinated and still catching covid. I am not attempting to convince anyone NOT to get the vaccinations, but I do take issue with those that use static arguments versus a dynamic reasoning process.

Perhaps a possible means of conveying the message is to inform folks that there is way more of a chance of becoming infected with the dreaded covid virus now than before and that IF they are vaccinated, they may-MAY have milder symptoms than if they are not vaccinated. You may also inform them that they are less likely to be hospitalized, even though it is still a possibility. The unvaccinated are not the enemy. Covid is the enemy.

[MDLNB]

You got a drivers license?
Wear a seat belt?
Have car insurance?
Pay your taxes?
Need I go on?


None of those are REQUIRED.
No to seat belt if you are not in a vehicle
No to car insurance if you do not have a car
Taxes are only required (or face jailtime) if you have an income


Got your drift though.

[Velvet]

None of those are REQUIRED.
No to seat belt if you are not in a vehicle
No to car insurance if you do not have a car
Taxes are only required (or face jailtime) if you have an income


Got your drift though.

If you want to be a bus driver, they are all required. Jobs are not a “right”.

[MDLNB]

If you want to be a bus driver, they are all required. Jobs are not a “right”.


In this country, no one dictates what job you MUST fill. IF/IF does not make it REQUIRED. There are other jobs besides bus driver.

[Taurus510]

If you want to be a bus driver, they are all required. Jobs are not a “right”.
And if you want to be a doctor, you must have a medical degree.
Want to be a lawyer? Law degree.

However, would it be right to “mandate” that we must all have medical and legal degrees because doctors and lawyers are required to have them?

[Velvet]

And if you want to be a doctor, you must have a medical degree.
Want to be a lawyer? Law degree.

However, would it be right to “mandate” that we must all have medical and legal degrees because doctors and lawyers are required to have them?

Ah, I didn’t realize we were all mandated or required to have the vaccine, only if we wanted to do certain things. I think we are used to being able to go to the grocery store and not think that it is privately owned, or get on a bus, although we do have to pay a fare. We usually are not required to have vaccines for these activities, although schools have always required some vaccines to attend. So to adults it does sound like the vaccination is compelled.

[coffeebean]

We were told, initially, that if got vaccinated you had a 90-95% chance of NOT GETTING Covid... And yes, I understand that there is always a chance, just like with the annual flu shot...



That came much later. Well after they found out the vaccine wasn't nearly as effective as initially advertised...

Irrelevant to the conversation...

And just to jog your memory, here's Fauci saying exactly what I said he did...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8CG8aI4XCGw

How can I watch the same exact video and listen to the same exact information being conveyed and I come away with a totally different message? I heard Dr. Fauci say that the Moderna vaccine was 94.5% effective at stopping the virus. That means to me that we, as a population, are not 100% protected. There are individuals who just may contract the virus. He has said that all along. I'm so tired of hearing that people think that Fauci lied to us. He certainly did not lie to us. We were never told if we got the vaccine, we would not contract the virus.

How do you come away from listening to what Dr. Fauci says in this video that we, the American people, were told we would be protected 100% from this virus if we were vaccinated? If you still believe this is what we were told, please find another example.

[coffeebean]

ED saw patients immediate rash, from injection site, upward to neck and face, difficulty breathing, in some cases required intervention

Problematic patients had appointments in hospital setting just for that reason. Those who have anaphylactic issues with any vaccine, usually were denied by their physicians. Some Immuno compromised that had reaction to any vaccine, were brought in to hospital setting, give a half dose and wait for a reaction.
More people than you will ever know didn’t just get the mild ache, headache, joint issues. Anaphylactic patients are a known group, with serious precautions taken, for any medication. In many cases such as our family, anaphylactic reaction goes on for 5 generations.

Physicians having to use an intervention to keep patients breathing, That’s a severe reaction.

I'm very aware of anaphylactic reactions to vaccines and also any medication on the market. Anaphylaxis reactions can also occur with foods; nuts as an example.

To me, when some claims they had a "bad reaction", that does not mean they had an anaphylactic reaction. If they did, they would say they had an "anaphylactic reaction". I'm so glad to hear that individuals with a history of anaphylaxis, did seek out help to be vaccinated in a hospital setting with epinephrine on hand to counteract the reaction. They were smart in doing so.

[coffeebean]

Here, not at gun point, but at risk of losing your job if you don't comply. That is also coercion. Get your jabs and your boosters if that makes you safe. I still believe in America and liberty and I will not comply. I'm fully vaccinated.......by the blood of Jesus.

You CAN NOT be serious! ROTFLMAO.

[coffeebean]

I thought you said you only got your information from reliable sources?

That is correct. Newsmax, (as an example) is not on my hit parade. I listen to main stream media and BBC with BBC being the most neutral there is.

[MDLNB]

You CAN NOT be serious! ROTFLMAO.


Making fun of someone's religious faith is not cool.:ohdear:

[JMintzer]

How can I watch the same exact video and listen to the same exact information being conveyed and I come away with a totally different message? I heard Dr. Fauci say that the Moderna vaccine was 94.5% effective at stopping the virus. That means to me that we, as a population, are not 100% protected. There are individuals who just may contract the virus. He has said that all along. I'm so tired of hearing that people think that Fauci lied to us. He certainly did not lie to us. We were never told if we got the vaccine, we would not contract the virus.

How do you come away from listening to what Dr. Fauci says in this video that we, the American people, were told we would be protected 100% from this virus if we were vaccinated? If you still believe this is what we were told, please find another example.

1. I NEVER said 100%. How you garnered that from what I wrote is a mystery... I specifically said 95%.

He also said PROTECTED from the virus. Not that you wouldn't get as sick, but PROTECTED FROM THE VIRUS. STOPPING the virus. How you can read that as any but you won't catch it 95% of the time is mind boggling...

2. The narrative changed that "we never told you it would protect you from getting the virus", but that "it would protect you from getting as sick when you caught the virus"...

[JMintzer]

That is correct. Newsmax, (as an example) is not on my hit parade. I listen to main stream media and BBC with BBC being the most neutral there is.

"You CAN NOT be serious! ROTFLMAO."

[coffeebean]

making fun of someone's religious faith is not cool.:ohdear:

Still ROTFLMAO!

[Taurus510]

That is correct. Newsmax, (as an example) is not on my hit parade. I listen to main stream media and BBC with BBC being the most neutral there is.

Oh my God. I never cease to be amazed.

[coffeebean]

1. I NEVER said 100%. How you garnered that from what I wrote is a mystery... I specifically said 95%.

He also said PROTECTED from the virus. Not that you wouldn't get as sick, but PROTECTED FROM THE VIRUS. STOPPING the virus. How you can read that as any but you won't catch it 95% of the time is mind boggling...

2. The narrative changed that "we never told you it would protect you from getting the virus", but that "it would protect you from getting as sick when you caught the virus"...

Did he say, "stopping the virus?" I did hear him say "protection from the virus". I recall that moment when I became fully vaccinated, two weeks after my second shot, that I was protected from hospitalization and death. NOT from ever contracting the virus because I knew I could always be part of that 5% who was not protected from contracting the virus. We were told nothing is 100% and I took that to mean the vaccine does not work 100% of the time to prevent illness, How could I have had that understanding? I stand by what I have said and I stand by my understanding of Fauci's words.

Having said that, I will go back and watch your posted video again to see how I may have misconstrued my comprehension of Fauci's words. To reiterate, this discussion is to "flesh our" the fact that supposedly the American people were told that if they were fully vaccinated, they would not become ill with Covid. Is that right????

[coffeebean]

Oh my God. I never cease to be amazed.

Just wondering, which news source do you consider to be accurate and non biased?

[MDLNB]

Did he say, "stopping the virus?" I did hear him say "protection from the virus". I recall that moment when I became fully vaccinated, two weeks after my second shot, that I was protected from hospitalization and death. NOT from ever contracting the virus because I knew I could always be part of that 5% who was not protected from contracting the virus. We were told nothing is 100% and I took that to mean the vaccine does not work 100% of the time to prevent illness, How could I have had that understanding? I stand by what I have said and I stand by my understanding of Fauci's words.

Having said that, I will go back and watch your posted video again to see how I may have misconstrued my comprehension of Fauci's words. To reiterate, this discussion is to "flesh our" the fact that supposedly the American people were told that if they were fully vaccinated, they would not become ill with Covid. Is that right????


We WERE told that if we were vaccinated, we would not be able to pass on the virus to others. Just saying.

[Taurus510]

Just wondering, which news source do you consider to be accurate and non biased?
Certainly nothing I can watch on the boob tube, and yes, that includes FOX. But certainly, and without doubt, in no way, not in this lifetime or the next 10,000 lifetimes would I ever consider mainstream media or the BBC to be anything even closely resembling anything other than poorly written political commentary. But I can promise you, that if I did think that the MSM and/or the BBC were a good place to get unbiased news, I most certainly would NOT be blasting that fact for the public to see. I couldn’t live with the embarrassment.

But that’s just me.

[coffeebean]

She certainly should have said she didn't recall hearing that from a reliable source. I have heard many, many things claimed about the vaccines that are not true; I have heard the claims made, but not from a reliable source. Reliable sources, to my recollection, have been consistent that the vaccines provide very good protection against serious illness but are not a guarantee against becoming infected.

POTUS - *should* be reliable but "messaging" and "optics" get in the way
Maddow - laughable (as are Carlson, Hannity, Reid, and most of the others)
Fauci - interesting FactCheck.org article (https://www.factcheck.org/2021/01/video-misinterprets-faucis-comments-on-covid-19-vaccine/) from January 2021 quotes him as saying:
“You could be prevented from getting clinical disease, and still have the virus that is in your nasopharynx because you could get infected,” he said. “We’re not sure, at this point, that the vaccine protects you against getting infected.”
Fauci talks a lot and therefore gets misinterpreted a lot. It is quite possible that in another interview something else was said. Plus, I believe he admitted to a "noble lie" which certainly doesn't help his credibility.

I was just now looking back through this thread to find a video of Dr. Fauci in an interview posted by another poster. I re-read this post and watched the Fact Check video that is linked in this post. THIS is what I recall my understanding was when these mRNA vaccines were first available to the public.

I had originally read this post but did not watch the video. Glad I watched the video.

[coffeebean]

That's the point NOW...

Initially, we were told that it would prevent infection... Yet here we are...

I'm looking for that video of Dr. Fauci's interview and came across this post of yours. THIS is what we were NOT told would happen 100% of the time. The efficacy of the vaccines are not and were not at the time, 100%. THIS is the point I'm trying to make.

Back to locating your post with Dr. Fauci's interview...............

[coffeebean]

Then your memory is faulty. The POTUS told us exactly that. Faucci told us exactly that. Maddow told us exactly that...

I believe her words were, "If you get the vaccine, the virus stops. You cannot catch it and you cannot spread it..."

Here is your post telling me "my memory is faulty". I'm still looking for that Dr. Fauci interview..............

[Bill14564]

We WERE told that if we were vaccinated, we would not be able to pass on the virus to others. Just saying.

We were also told the vaccine was about 95% effective. I put those together in my head and came up with the idea that the vaccine helped prevent infection which helps prevent passing it along and helps prevent becoming sick but that it was not a 100% guarantee.

Perhaps omicron drove that 95% number somewhere lower but it is still greater than 0. The vaccine helps all around and really helps prevent serious illness and death but it is not a guarantee.

[MDLNB]

My take on what Fauci, the CDC, D.C., etc. says regarding the vaccination (currently) is that once vaccinated, you have a better chance of not being hospitalized and/or dying from Covid. It does not say (currently) that it will prevent you from being infected with the virus or that you cannot transmit the virus to others.
Mayo says that 81% of the fatalities from Covid have been ages 65 and over.
My opinion is that if it is true that the vaccination might/might prevent you from dying from covid, what is stopping you from obtaining the vaccination? The cost? It costs nothing. On the other hand, if you have had the virus and have had mild symptoms, maybe you do not feel that a booster is necessary.
Many folks realize that thousands die of the flu every year, yet do not get vaccinated because they either have never had the flu (me) or because they have survived the flu. Not saying that is a prudent mindset, just saying.
Maybe some of us are less prone to infections purely by the fact that we are conscious of germs and take proper precautions? Whenever, I shop and offered a wipe at the door, I use it to wipe the shopping basket and my hands. It's just habit. When overseas, we used a whole lot of hand sanitizer and washed our hands religiously. Just habit.
I don't know if arguing over boosters and masks is going to convince anyone, since most of this is new (other than vaccinations and boosters) mandates being pretty new to many. This is the first time, in my lifetime that folks even thought about wearing masks outside of a medical facility. Other than in Japan, where many folks wear them in the big cities.
My opinion is that if you feel safer with multiple boosters, go for it. If you are over 65yo why worry about any possible long term effects from the vaccination? And if it gives you peace and less stress, that in itself may give you more time on this side of the dirt. I do take exception to those that wish to FORCE others to vaccinate or those that demean those that wish to stay current with their boosters. Regardless of what I think of this whole debacle, I have no intention of coercing folks either way.
A fourth shot? A second booster? Heck, I've had the dreaded covid before I had the chance of getting the first booster. Life goes on, or not. You cannot prevent death, only delay it. Good luck and I sincerely hope that the boosters bring you the security feeling you are seeking.
A fourth shot? Wow! Still wish we knew the truth of where it all started. Ft. Detrick? Hmm, wonder if Fauci will ever tell us. Probably be a best kept secret similar to the Kennedy assassination.

[coffeebean]

We were told, initially, that if got vaccinated you had a 90-95% chance of NOT GETTING Covid... And yes, I understand that there is always a chance, just like with the annual flu shot...



That came much later. Well after they found out the vaccine wasn't nearly as effective as initially advertised...



Irrelevant to the conversation...

And just to jog your memory, here's Fauci saying exactly what I said he did...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8CG8aI4XCGw
Found it! Dr. Fauci was a man who was extremely optimistic about the vaccines and I can hear it in his voice. But........no where in that interview did he ever say if you are vaccinated, you will not get Covid. THAT is what we are debating here.

There are millions of Americans who feel they were "duped" because these vaccines did not perform as they were told they would. That is just hogwash. We were always informed that these vaccines will not completely stop the virus (hence the efficacy numbers). ONLY STERILIZING IMMUNITY VACCINES have the ability to stop a virus in its tracks and prevent replification. I posted a couple of articles about that in this very thread. The mRNA vaccines were not developed as "sterilizing immunity vaccines".

I can not make my point any clearer. If you still disagree with my POV, I respectfully agree to disagree with you.

[coffeebean]

"You CAN NOT be serious! ROTFLMAO."

So nice to see we have some happy people on this thread, including me. LOL.

[coffeebean]

We WERE told that if we were vaccinated, we would not be able to pass on the virus to others. Just saying.

Yes, I do recall that narrative. That is when I took off my mask when in public because I no longer needed to protect others. That was a very happy day.

[coffeebean]

Certainly nothing I can watch on the boob tube, and yes, that includes FOX. But certainly, and without doubt, in no way, not in this lifetime or the next 10,000 lifetimes would I ever consider mainstream media or the BBC to be anything even closely resembling anything other than poorly written political commentary. But I can promise you, that if I did think that the MSM and/or the BBC were a good place to get unbiased news, I most certainly would NOT be blasting that fact for the public to see. I couldn’t live with the embarrassment.

But that’s just me.
Thank you for your honest reply. I know many people here in The Villages consider MSM to relay only "fake news" but I listen to both sides and can easily figure out what is bogus and what is not.

When an earth shattering event occurs and one network does not report it, there is reason for pause. When all others ARE reporting it, then you know what is accurate and what is not.

As an aside........you don't think the BBC is not unbiased? I always thought they were the most accurate and unbiased.

[coffeebean]

We were also told the vaccine was about 95% effective. I put those together in my head and came up with the idea that the vaccine helped prevent infection which helps prevent passing it along and helps prevent becoming sick but that it was not a 100% guarantee.

Perhaps omicron drove that 95% number somewhere lower but it is still greater than 0. The vaccine helps all around and really helps prevent serious illness and death but it is not a guarantee.

That is my understanding too and always has been my understanding.

[MDLNB]

Yes, I do recall that narrative. That is when I took off my mask when in public because I no longer needed to protect others. That was a very happy day.


And yet, folks being infected now are getting it mostly from the vaccinated. Everyone I know that has had it lately, caught it from someone vaccinated. Not saying that it shouldn't be that way, just stating a fact. I don't fault anyone for making statements based on current information at the time, just that it does influence how folks act.

[coffeebean]

And yet, folks being infected now are getting it mostly from the vaccinated. Everyone I know that has had it lately, caught it from someone vaccinated. Not saying that it shouldn't be that way, just stating a fact. I don't fault anyone for making statements based on current information at the time, just that it does influence how folks act.

Agree. That "narrative" I spoke of was short lived. The breakthrough infections of fully vaccinated people certainly burst our bubble. :(

[JMintzer]

Did he say, "stopping the virus?" I did hear him say "protection from the virus". I recall that moment when I became fully vaccinated, two weeks after my second shot, that I was protected from hospitalization and death. NOT from ever contracting the virus because I knew I could always be part of that 5% who was not protected from contracting the virus. We were told nothing is 100% and I took that to mean the vaccine does not work 100% of the time to prevent illness, How could I have had that understanding? I stand by what I have said and I stand by my understanding of Fauci's words.

Having said that, I will go back and watch your posted video again to see how I may have misconstrued my comprehension of Fauci's words. To reiterate, this discussion is to "flesh our" the fact that supposedly the American people were told that if they were fully vaccinated, they would not become ill with Covid. Is that right????

Do you even read what others write before responding?

I specifically wrote, "PROTECTION FROM THE VIRUS"... What he DID NOT initially say was "protect from hospitalization and death". That was the fall back claim, after they realized it did not "protect you from the virus"...

Your pretzel logic is entertaining, but flawed...

[JMintzer]

I'm looking for that video of Dr. Fauci's interview and came across this post of yours. THIS is what we were NOT told would happen 100% of the time. The efficacy of the vaccines are not and were not at the time, 100%. THIS is the point I'm trying to make.

Back to locating your post with Dr. Fauci's interview...............

Please show me where I ever said 100%... Oh, that's right...I NEVER SAID THAT!

I have always stated the 95% number... But you're using it as a cop out... Stating it backs up your claim. Pro tip: It doesn't...

[JMintzer]

Here is your post telling me "my memory is faulty". I'm still looking for that Dr. Fauci interview..............

Do you see where I said "HER WORDS"?

Not to assume one's gender, but I was referring to Maddow...