Chaos and Mayhem?

[JMintzer]

I spent about two hours doing my share to burn a hole in the ozone layer, as I took an extended tour around the center and southern parts of TV...

This is the insanity I personally witnessed...

Nothing. Not a damn thing...

Golf carts (including mine) passed over 2 dozen bikers, and countless pedestrians, safely.

Golf carts stopped at stop signs, cars allowed golf carts to merge into the regular lane along Hillsborough and Marsh Bend Trail...

No bikes "claimed their lane", nor did they prevent anyone from trying to pass them.

I even saw 3 people out with their dogs actually pick up their dog poop! Imagine that!

Now... The bad...

ONE biker failed to stop at a stop sign. But, in his defense, it was at a newer area, under construction, so cross traffic was minimal at best.

One pedestrian was walking WITH traffic, rather than against traffic. They were easily passed, without incident...

Was I surprised by any of this? Not at all, since it's pretty much what I see every single day.

Does this mean nothing bad ever happens? Of course not. Just like anywhere else people drive, bike and walk...

[fishon]

Blasphemy, I say!
You've been given the kool-aid in your last jab.
You are now a pawn of the developer.

[JMintzer]

Blasphemy, I say!
You've been given the kool-aid in your last jab.
You are now a pawn of the developer.

:1rotfl::1rotfl::1rotfl:

[tophcfa]

I took a similar ride in the golf cart with my dog. Two things I really like about the new area. The bike/walking trails are very nice. I also love the much wider concrete water drainage inserts where the cart paths cross roads. The wider width allows a much more gradual downslope to the recessed center of the drainage depression. The much narrower drainage inserts in the northern area remind me of inverted speed bumps, or speed depressions, that are back jarring. The wider ones in the southern areas are much better on the back, and the carts suspension.

One thing that really jumped out to me was the absolute lack of signage directing golf carts from the bridge going into Brownwood to get to Buena Vista North. If one is familiar with the area, i guess I t’s no big deal. But for infrequent travelers in that area it’s like trying to navigate a maze. I had a hard time finding the way dead sober in bright daylight, I can only imagine someone leaving City Fire after a long night? It blew my mind how non existent the signage is!

[Papa_lecki]

I spent about two hours doing my share to burn a hole in the ozone layer, as I took an extended tour around the center and southern parts of TV...

This is the insanity I personally witnessed...

Nothing. Not a damn thing...

Golf carts (including mine) passed over 2 dozen bikers, and countless pedestrians, safely.

Golf carts stopped at stop signs, cars allowed golf carts to merge into the regular lane along Hillsborough and Marsh Bend Trail...

No bikes "claimed their lane", nor did they prevent anyone from trying to pass them.

I even saw 3 people out with their dogs actually pick up their dog poop! Imagine that!

Now... The bad...

ONE biker failed to stop at a stop sign. But, in his defense, it was at a newer area, under construction, so cross traffic was minimal at best.

One pedestrian was walking WITH traffic, rather than against traffic. They were easily passed, without incident...

Was I surprised by any of this? Not at all, since it's pretty much what I see every single day.

Does this mean nothing bad ever happens? Of course not. Just like anywhere else people drive, bike and walk...

HAHAHAHA - this wins the internet today. Imagine a bunch of retired folks, following the rules and not causing Mahem.

[OrangeBlossomBaby]

I spent about two hours doing my share to burn a hole in the ozone layer, as I took an extended tour around the center and southern parts of TV...

This is the insanity I personally witnessed...

Nothing. Not a damn thing...

Golf carts (including mine) passed over 2 dozen bikers, and countless pedestrians, safely.

Golf carts stopped at stop signs, cars allowed golf carts to merge into the regular lane along Hillsborough and Marsh Bend Trail...

No bikes "claimed their lane", nor did they prevent anyone from trying to pass them.

I even saw 3 people out with their dogs actually pick up their dog poop! Imagine that!

Now... The bad...

ONE biker failed to stop at a stop sign. But, in his defense, it was at a newer area, under construction, so cross traffic was minimal at best.

One pedestrian was walking WITH traffic, rather than against traffic. They were easily passed, without incident...

Was I surprised by any of this? Not at all, since it's pretty much what I see every single day.

Does this mean nothing bad ever happens? Of course not. Just like anywhere else people drive, bike and walk...

Today I watched someone in a yellow golf cart run a bicyclist onto the grass on Morse Blvd. They were heading southbound toward 466 from the De la Vista area. Either a woman or a man with pretty thick longish hair, I only saw them from the back. The bicyclist was a man who was trying to stay close to the edge of the road so the golf cart could pass, but the golf cart didn't want to even try getting onto Morse (no turn signal) and instead, tailgated the bicyclist.

I felt horrible for the guy on the bike. It's not like the golf cart could GO anywhere, there was a red light up ahead and several other golf carts and a -lot- of traffic.

[Larryandlinda]

The entitled who are in a hurry to make it to red lights are a prevalent group - usually noticeable when we bike. The light will not turn green any sooner. When will they ever learn ?

[thevillages2013]

I spent about two hours doing my share to burn a hole in the ozone layer, as I took an extended tour around the center and southern parts of TV...

This is the insanity I personally witnessed...

Nothing. Not a damn thing...

Golf carts (including mine) passed over 2 dozen bikers, and countless pedestrians, safely.

Golf carts stopped at stop signs, cars allowed golf carts to merge into the regular lane along Hillsborough and Marsh Bend Trail...

No bikes "claimed their lane", nor did they prevent anyone from trying to pass them.

I even saw 3 people out with their dogs actually pick up their dog poop! Imagine that!

Now... The bad...

ONE biker failed to stop at a stop sign. But, in his defense, it was at a newer area, under construction, so cross traffic was minimal at best.

One pedestrian was walking WITH traffic, rather than against traffic. They were easily passed, without incident...

Was I surprised by any of this? Not at all, since it's pretty much what I see every single day.

Does this mean nothing bad ever happens? Of course not. Just like anywhere else people drive, bike and walk...

You had me believing until you said 100% picked up dog poop! Video evidence would support your claim :boxing2:

[MorTech]

I spent about two hours doing my share to burn a hole in the ozone layer, as I took an extended tour around the center and southern parts of TV...

This is the insanity I personally witnessed...

Nothing. Not a damn thing...

Golf carts (including mine) passed over 2 dozen bikers, and countless pedestrians, safely.

Golf carts stopped at stop signs, cars allowed golf carts to merge into the regular lane along Hillsborough and Marsh Bend Trail...

No bikes "claimed their lane", nor did they prevent anyone from trying to pass them.

I even saw 3 people out with their dogs actually pick up their dog poop! Imagine that!

Now... The bad...

ONE biker failed to stop at a stop sign. But, in his defense, it was at a newer area, under construction, so cross traffic was minimal at best.

One pedestrian was walking WITH traffic, rather than against traffic. They were easily passed, without incident...

Was I surprised by any of this? Not at all, since it's pretty much what I see every single day.

Does this mean nothing bad ever happens? Of course not. Just like anywhere else people drive, bike and walk...


Alrighty then! Good to know! Thaaanks! LOL

[mkjelenbaas]

I spent about two hours doing my share to burn a hole in the ozone layer, as I took an extended tour around the center and southern parts of TV...

This is the insanity I personally witnessed...

Nothing. Not a damn thing...

Golf carts (including mine) passed over 2 dozen bikers, and countless pedestrians, safely.

Golf carts stopped at stop signs, cars allowed golf carts to merge into the regular lane along Hillsborough and Marsh Bend Trail...

No bikes "claimed their lane", nor did they prevent anyone from trying to pass them.

I even saw 3 people out with their dogs actually pick up their dog poop! Imagine that!

Now... The bad...

ONE biker failed to stop at a stop sign. But, in his defense, it was at a newer area, under construction, so cross traffic was minimal at best.

One pedestrian was walking WITH traffic, rather than against traffic. They were easily passed, without incident...

Was I surprised by any of this? Not at all, since it's pretty much what I see every single day.

Does this mean nothing bad ever happens? Of course not. Just like anywhere else people drive, bike and walk...
Thanks for the update - quite a bit of typing!!

[Nannyof3]

Hmmmmmm, I see this everyday. It's only occasionally that I see people breaking the rules. In my 13+ years here I have found 90-95% of Villagers are kind, cooperative, pleasant, helpful folks.

[tsmall22204]

And the bike will run the red light and not be in the way.

[DaleDivine]

I took a similar ride in the golf cart with my dog. Two things I really like about the new area. The bike/walking trails are very nice. I also love the much wider concrete water drainage inserts where the cart paths cross roads. The wider width allows a much more gradual downslope to the recessed center of the drainage depression. The much narrower drainage inserts in the northern area remind me of inverted speed bumps, or speed depressions, that are back jarring. The wider ones in the southern areas are much better on the back, and the carts suspension.

One thing that really jumped out to me was the absolute lack of signage directing golf carts from the bridge going into Brownwood to get to Buena Vista North. If one is familiar with the area, i guess I t’s no big deal. But for infrequent travelers in that area it’s like trying to navigate a maze. I had a hard time finding the way dead sober in bright daylight, I can only imagine someone leaving City Fire after a long night? It blew my mind how non existent the signage is!

I don't have any trouble at all navigating with The Village GPS.
:bigbow::bigbow:

[Laker14]

this is boring.

[taruffi57]

They won. Got to the red light before me. Been here 17 yrs., and that is one of the several juvenile driving behaviors I see daily. More: Tailgating. Also, Coming to a stop when they have the Right-of -Way. (irrational "courtesy") - including in roundabouts. TV is the only place where I've dodged hundreds of wrecks, and I've been driving for 60 yrs.

[Topspinmo]

I spent about two hours doing my share to burn a hole in the ozone layer, as I took an extended tour around the center and southern parts of TV...

This is the insanity I personally witnessed...

Nothing. Not a damn thing...

Golf carts (including mine) passed over 2 dozen bikers, and countless pedestrians, safely.

Golf carts stopped at stop signs, cars allowed golf carts to merge into the regular lane along Hillsborough and Marsh Bend Trail...

No bikes "claimed their lane", nor did they prevent anyone from trying to pass them.

I even saw 3 people out with their dogs actually pick up their dog poop! Imagine that!

Now... The bad...

ONE biker failed to stop at a stop sign. But, in his defense, it was at a newer area, under construction, so cross traffic was minimal at best.

One pedestrian was walking WITH traffic, rather than against traffic. They were easily passed, without incident...

Was I surprised by any of this? Not at all, since it's pretty much what I see every single day.

Does this mean nothing bad ever happens? Of course not. Just like anywhere else people drive, bike and walk...


Why! Why! Why!. And so much reported daily. :icon_wink:

[Topspinmo]

Blasphemy, I say!
You've been given the kool-aid in your last jab.
You are now a pawn of the developer.


Last jab? You’re kidding right, lots more to come, I on my 10th booster :duck::)

[Topspinmo]

I took a similar ride in the golf cart with my dog. Two things I really like about the new area. The bike/walking trails are very nice. I also love the much wider concrete water drainage inserts where the cart paths cross roads. The wider width allows a much more gradual downslope to the recessed center of the drainage depression. The much narrower drainage inserts in the northern area remind me of inverted speed bumps, or speed depressions, that are back jarring. The wider ones in the southern areas are much better on the back, and the carts suspension.

One thing that really jumped out to me was the absolute lack of signage directing golf carts from the bridge going into Brownwood to get to Buena Vista North. If one is familiar with the area, i guess I t’s no big deal. But for infrequent travelers in that area it’s like trying to navigate a maze. I had a hard time finding the way dead sober in bright daylight, I can only imagine someone leaving City Fire after a long night? It blew my mind how non existent the signage is!


North, nobody care about the old north. :)

[Topspinmo]

Today I watched someone in a yellow golf cart run a bicyclist onto the grass on Morse Blvd. They were heading southbound toward 466 from the De la Vista area. Either a woman or a man with pretty thick longish hair, I only saw them from the back. The bicyclist was a man who was trying to stay close to the edge of the road so the golf cart could pass, but the golf cart didn't want to even try getting onto Morse (no turn signal) and instead, tailgated the bicyclist.

I felt horrible for the guy on the bike. It's not like the golf cart could GO anywhere, there was a red light up ahead and several other golf carts and a -lot- of traffic.


There had to be one on you’re parade.:faint:

[PanamaKim]

Yes, signage is definitely lacking in the southern area. I’ve written the Commissioner about it months ago (we live in Fenney), and got a reply that they were working on it. Gosh, doesn’t it seem signage would be FIRST on the list. Unbelievable!

[tophcfa]

Yes, signage is definitely lacking in the southern area. I’ve written the Commissioner about it months ago (we live in Fenney), and got a reply that they were working on it. Gosh, doesn’t it seem signage would be FIRST on the list. Unbelievable!

I guess it is a way of trying to get lots more people to download their app. Seems to me it would be a lot safer to have cart drivers paying attention to where they are driving than constantly taking their eyes off the road/paths to stare at their phones? Sometimes I truly believe the world was a much better place before cell phones.

[GypsyRN]

Hmmmmmm, I see this everyday. It's only occasionally that I see people breaking the rules. In my 13+ years here I have found 90-95% of Villagers are kind, cooperative, pleasant, helpful folks.

...any day on the MMP south from Hillsborough Trail to the fire station, and you would certainly change your tune. I have almost been hit by carts travelling at full speed (over 19 mph), so you must have driven these nuts my way from your nirvana your way!! Geez.

[Ken Nelson]

You had me believing until you said 100% picked up dog poop! Video evidence would support your claim :boxing2:


Hah - We are moving to TV from the Portland area! People (term used loosely) do their business here in the street! So all the dog poop & pee threads crack me up! :popcorn:

[golfing eagles]

...any day on the MMP south from Hillsborough Trail to the fire station, and you would certainly change your tune. I have almost been hit by carts travelling at full speed (over 19 mph), so you must have driven these nuts my way from your nirvana your way!! Geez.

I'm confused---is there a valid reason why a cart shouldn't be driven 19 mph on that stretch of MMP????

[JMintzer]

Thanks for the update - quite a bit of typing!!

I was bored... :icon_wink:

[JMintzer]

this is boring.

Yet you read enough to be compelled to respond... How odd...

[JMintzer]

...any day on the MMP south from Hillsborough Trail to the fire station, and you would certainly change your tune. I have almost been hit by carts travelling at full speed (over 19 mph), so you must have driven these nuts my way from your nirvana your way!! Geez.

I travel on Hillsborough Trail to Brownwood several times a week. Never had (nor seen) a problem with pedestrians or bikers...

[JMintzer]

Hah - We are moving to TV from the Portland area! People (term used loosely) do their business here in the street! So all the dog poop & pee threads crack me up! :popcorn:

:bigbow::bigbow::bigbow:

[Papa_lecki]

I was bored... :icon_wink:

Usually these long threads are started on a rainy or cold day. When there’s nothing to do.

[Laker14]

Yet you read enough to be compelled to respond... How odd...

my life is boring.

[Bill14564]

...any day on the MMP south from Hillsborough Trail to the fire station, and you would certainly change your tune. I have almost been hit by carts travelling at full speed (over 19 mph), so you must have driven these nuts my way from your nirvana your way!! Geez.

I travel on Hillsborough Trail to Brownwood several times a week. Never had (nor seen) a problem with pedestrians or bikers...

My brother has walked that path every day for two weeks now (he has more ambition than I do). He has mentioned seeing other walkers and carts but the only time he has mentioned a cart getting close was on the corner out of the neighborhood. Even then it wasn't a near miss, it was just closer than usual.

Since he walks the same time each day this is really only one data point.

[Bill14564]

Yes, signage is definitely lacking in the southern area. I’ve written the Commissioner about it months ago (we live in Fenney), and got a reply that they were working on it. Gosh, doesn’t it seem signage would be FIRST on the list. Unbelievable!

I just took the southern loop from the Chitty Chatty bridge to the Brownwood bridge. I followed the Morse Trail South and Meggison Trail North signs the whole way with no problem.

There *is* a lack of signage at the north end of the Brownood bridge where the trail dumps you off in the parking lot behind Cody's. It's easy enough to get to Buena Vista once you know where the trail is but the lack of any sign makes it very difficult for anyone trying it for the first time.

[JMintzer]

Usually these long threads are started on a rainy or cold day. When there’s nothing to do.

I had just finished lunch... I was digesting...:icon_wink:

[JMintzer]

My brother has walked that path every day for two weeks now (he has more ambition than I do). He has mentioned seeing other walkers and carts but the only time he has mentioned a cart getting close was on the corner out of the neighborhood. Even then it wasn't a near miss, it was just closer than usual.

Since he walks the same time each day this is really only one data point.

Most of the complaints are based on one data point...

Hell, my initial post was pretty much based on one data point (but it did reflect what I've seen in my 1+ year here...)

[JMintzer]

I just took the southern loop from the Chitty Chatty bridge to the Brownwood bridge. I followed the Morse Trail South and Meggison Trail North signs the whole way with no problem.

There *is* a lack of signage at the north end of the Brownood bridge where the trail dumps you off in the parking lot behind Cody's. It's easy enough to get to Buena Vista once you know where the trail is but the lack of any sign makes it very difficult for anyone trying it for the first time.

Yup. The signage in the South has served me well, but I do understand one's confusion coming over the Brownwood Bridge and entering the parking lot...

[Mleeja]

Was behind someone who actually went 10 mph over the Morse Blvd bridge. Oh the horror.

[thevillages2013]

Hah - We are moving to TV from the Portland area! People (term used loosely) do their business here in the street! So all the dog poop & pee threads crack me up! :popcorn:

I have jogged around the human encampments in San Diego so I know what you mean

[JimmyO3]

Thanks for posting. There’s way too much negativity posted here.

[Dennys37Packard]

I spent about two hours doing my share to burn a hole in the ozone layer, as I took an extended tour around the center and southern parts of TV...

This is the insanity I personally witnessed...

Nothing. Not a damn thing...

Golf carts (including mine) passed over 2 dozen bikers, and countless pedestrians, safely.

Golf carts stopped at stop signs, cars allowed golf carts to merge into the regular lane along Hillsborough and Marsh Bend Trail...

No bikes "claimed their lane", nor did they prevent anyone from trying to pass them.

I even saw 3 people out with their dogs actually pick up their dog poop! Imagine that!

Now... The bad...

ONE biker failed to stop at a stop sign. But, in his defense, it was at a newer area, under construction, so cross traffic was minimal at best.

One pedestrian was walking WITH traffic, rather than against traffic. They were easily passed, without incident...

Was I surprised by any of this? Not at all, since it's pretty much what I see every single day.

Does this mean nothing bad ever happens? Of course not. Just like anywhere else people drive, bike and walk...

Pretty much what we see everyday too. At least we’re not the only ones not seeing very little negative things here. Maybe we aren’t looking hard enough. 😀

[frank1975]

Something must have gone wrong. Can you try that again today????

[JMintzer]

Something must have gone wrong. Can you try that again today????

Well, we do have our first Pickelball lesson this morning at Eisenhower Rec Center and we have to pick up some dog food @ Brownwood. I might take the Boss for a ride around the loop from the Brownwood Bridge to the Chitty Chatty Bridge...

Pray for me...

[JMintzer]

Something must have gone wrong. Can you try that again today????

Okay, back for the day...

Went out around 9:00 to Eisenhower Rec Center, Woof Gang's to pick up some dog food, and then took the Boss for a ride from the Brownwood Bridge, did some exploring in the newer sections along Meggison Rd, crossed under Morse just below Aviary Rec Center, and came back over the Chitty Chatty Bridge, stopping at Publix and the Rohan Rec Center...

Came home for a quick lunch, then back out to the Sarasota Driving Range...

Here's what we saw...

ONE person running with (rather than against) traffic... All pedestrians were keeping to the edge of the path and were passed without incident.

Every single biker was riding single file on the MMPs, several waved us around when we came up behind them...

Every single cart that was in front of us or, passing in the opposite direction actually stopped at the stop signs (okay, maybe 1 or 2 slowed to barely a crawl), but close enough for Rock & Roll...

Saw plenty of people walking their dogs, but none were leaving anything anywhere...

I guess I must be doing something wrong... :shrug::shrug::shrug:

[Laker14]

Okay, back for the day...

Went out around 9:00 to Eisenhower Rec Center, Woof Gang's to pick up some dog food, and then took the Boss for a ride from the Brownwood Bridge, did some exploring in the newer sections along Meggison Rd, crossed under Morse just below Aviary Rec Center, and came back over the Chitty Chatty Bridge, stopping at Publix and the Rohan Rec Center...

Came home for a quick lunch, then back out to the Sarasota Driving Range...

Here's what we saw...

ONE person running with (rather than against) traffic... All pedestrians were keeping to the edge of the path and were passed without incident.

Every single biker was riding single file on the MMPs, several waved us around when we came up behind them...

Every single cart that was in front of us or, passing in the opposite direction actually stopped at the stop signs (okay, maybe 1 or 2 slowed to barely a crawl), but close enough for Rock & Roll...

Saw plenty of people walking their dogs, but none were leaving anything anywhere...

I guess I must be doing something wrong... :shrug::shrug::shrug:

How'd the pickleball go? I hope everyone yelled "Ball on Court!!!" at the appropriate times, and nobody made any questionable "out" calls.

[JMintzer]

How'd the pickleball go? I hope everyone yelled "Ball on Court!!!" at the appropriate times, and nobody made any questionable "out" calls.

Total waste of time...

We thought we were there for the "Introduction to Pickle Ball Lessons", but it was just "Beginner Level Open Play". We sat and watched for a while, were invited to play a few times, even though we really didn't know the rules that well (we had only watched the required video)... Which was nice of those who invited us...

Then, one guy started yapping about how he gets frustrated when people who've never stepped on a court show up and want to play... I mean, what did he expect at "Beginner's Open Play"?

Anyway, we took that as our invitation to leave, and we did...

After a bit of research (which we thought we had done...), we found that there is a separate Sign Up session for initial instruction. We're now scheduled for Wednesday morning... I forget where...

[Laker14]

Total waste of time...

We thought we were there for the "Introduction to Pickle Ball Lessons", but it was just "Beginner Level Open Play". We sat and watched for a while, were invited to play a few times, even though we really didn't know the rules that well (we had only watched the required video)... Which was nice of those who invited us...

Then, one guy started yapping about how he gets frustrated when people who've never stepped on a court show up and want to play... I mean, what did he expect at "Beginner's Open Play"?

Anyway, we took that as our invitation to leave, and we did...

After a bit of research (which we thought we had done...), we found that there is a separate Sign Up session for initial instruction. We're now scheduled for Wednesday morning... I forget where...

I'm sorry you had that experience. You won't need much instruction at all to get to the Beginner level. When you do you can find the complainer and smoke him.
Generally you'll find players open and welcoming. If you do find yourself in over your head playing much stronger players, generally they will play down to you for one game, and hopefully suggest, gently, that you may be in the wrong group. It happens. People think they are in an "advanced beginner" group but are actually in an "advanced" group.

And warm up and stretch. A lot.

[thevillages2013]

Okay, back for the day...

Went out around 9:00 to Eisenhower Rec Center, Woof Gang's to pick up some dog food, and then took the Boss for a ride from the Brownwood Bridge, did some exploring in the newer sections along Meggison Rd, crossed under Morse just below Aviary Rec Center, and came back over the Chitty Chatty Bridge, stopping at Publix and the Rohan Rec Center...

Came home for a quick lunch, then back out to the Sarasota Driving Range...

Here's what we saw...

ONE person running with (rather than against) traffic... All pedestrians were keeping to the edge of the path and were passed without incident.

Every single biker was riding single file on the MMPs, several waved us around when we came up behind them...

Every single cart that was in front of us or, passing in the opposite direction actually stopped at the stop signs (okay, maybe 1 or 2 slowed to barely a crawl), but close enough for Rock & Roll...

Saw plenty of people walking their dogs, but none were leaving anything anywhere...

I guess I must be doing something wrong... :shrug::shrug::shrug:
You need a MR MICROPHONE! Remember those from the 1980’s? The commercial “ hey good looking we’ll be back to pick you up later”. You could correct all the wrongdoers as you drive along. YOU ARE WALKING WITH TRAFFIC GET ON THE OTHER SIDE! WELL I SURE HOPE YOU ARE GOING TO PICK UP THAT POOP!

[CoachKandSportsguy]

Looks like JMintzer has been recently shopping at The Rustic Rose, and recently purchased a pair of rose colored glasses :ho:

:a040::icon_wink:

If the crazies in the population is 1%, then there are 1% of the crazies in TV. . the problem is that you can't have 90% of the news be about 1% of the population or your attitude will be polluted not in a good way. .

Thanks JM, appreciate the good news. . :mademyday: