The Future of Golf in The Villages

[Bogie Shooter]

Continuing The Dream: Volume 15 (https://www.nxtbook.com/thevillages/TheVillages/ContinuingTheDream_Vol15/index.php)
Insert also in todays 2/25 Daily Sun.

[Laker14]

Interesting, and encouraging.
Thanks for posting.

[Topspinmo]

Hasn’t golf on decline for last 20 years?

Is Golf Really A Dying Sport – A Look At The Future Of Golf - The Expert Golf Website (https://southamptongolfclub.com/is-golf-really-a-dying-sport/)

[ElDiabloJoe]

Hasn’t golf on decline for last 20 years?

Is Golf Really A Dying Sport – A Look At The Future Of Golf - The Expert Golf Website (https://southamptongolfclub.com/is-golf-really-a-dying-sport/)

Appears to be an undated blog from Wales/UK. Anything a bit more, umm, recent or relevant to U.S. golf trends? I have noticed my golf courses "up north" are seeing record usage, but it remains to be seen if that blip is due to Covid repercussions and whether or not it will continue.

[village dreamer]

and if it does not work out , they can put up some condos

[Laker14]

and if it does not work out , they can put up some condos

in 30 years?

[Altavia]

Amazing planning and progress.

The Villages - Florida's Friendliest Active Adult 55+ Retirement Community (https://www.thevillages.com/whatsnew/continuing-the-dream)

[Papa_lecki]

Appears to be an undated blog from Wales/UK. Anything a bit more, umm, recent or relevant to U.S. golf trends? I have noticed my golf courses "up north" are seeing record usage, but it remains to be seen if that blip is due to Covid repercussions and whether or not it will continue.

Covid was a boom for golf

Golf is booming in popularity during the COVID-19 pandemic (https://www.inquirer.com/sports/golf-increase-business-coronavirus-pandemic-philadelphia-national-courses-rounds-equipment-20200927.html)

[kcrazorbackfan]

and if it does not work out , they can put up some condos

Wow! Don’t we have some negative Karen’s…

[JMintzer]

Appears to be an undated blog from Wales/UK. Anything a bit more, umm, recent or relevant to U.S. golf trends? I have noticed my golf courses "up north" are seeing record usage, but it remains to be seen if that blip is due to Covid repercussions and whether or not it will continue.

Covid was a boom for golf

Golf is booming in popularity during the COVID-19 pandemic (https://www.inquirer.com/sports/golf-increase-business-coronavirus-pandemic-philadelphia-national-courses-rounds-equipment-20200927.html)

I was seeing a significant increase in younger players back home in the years leading up to Covid...

Junior golf was on the rise, as was also seen in the 25-35 yo age group...

I always hated when they joined us. They have a spine that actually works! Very frustrating to see... :1rotfl:

[VApeople]

They have a spine that actually works! Very frustrating to see...

I think Voltaire said, "I never knew a wise man who wished he was younger."

[VApeople]

Amazing planning and progress.


Yes, you said it very well! It really is amazing planning and progress.

Remember, it has been only five years since Fenney originally opened. Imagine what is going to happen in the next five years.

[Rainger99]

Lots of putting courses and pitch and putt courses. Not many executive courses - and it looks like no executive courses being built south of 44 and north of the Turnpike - a huge area! And three new championship courses south of the Turnpike.

[Laker14]

I was seeing a significant increase in younger players back home in the years leading up to Covid...

Junior golf was on the rise, as was also seen in the 25-35 yo age group...

I always hated when they joined us. They have a spine that actually works! Very frustrating to see... :1rotfl:

I think Voltaire said, "I never knew a wise man who wished he was younger."

I just wish my spine was younger. And my knees and shoulders. And my muscles.
Years ago I found a birthday card for my father, that read "Another year older, another year wiser. A crappy bargain, but it's the best we can do."

[BrianL99]

and if it does not work out , they can put up some condos
If they keep building golf courses as awful as Southern Oaks, that's exactly what they'll be doing.

[rjn5656]

No matter what a lot of people say, I am amazed with the planners for the Villages.

[thevillages2013]

I watched the 17 minute video and there is definitely progress on the golf front. They gave no timeline on the new executive or championship courses other than the fact that they would start them (or one of them)as soon as they complete the putting and pitch and putt courses which were later this year. Should have one ready by 2024 hmm how old will I be then. I still haven’t played Southern Oaks so I still have something to look forward to. I do like the 18 hole course concept and two of the three championship courses planned are 18 and one 27. IMO the wave sucks. I forgot to mention the new driving range going in the new area. Should take some pressure off Sarasota

[ldovermiller]

Watched a group of SIX golfers play Bonita Pass Friday night. Then a foursome with two pre-teens play next, with Grandpa. One walked through the sand trap to put a club back in the cart and walked through the same sand trap back to the green to putt. NO ONE
RAKED the trap, and NO AMBASSADOR IN SIGHT!! Then once they (group of six) could not see to play, they drove back on the cart path, over the grass to enter Triggerfish, over the curb to return home. What a mess.....

[golfing eagles]

Watched a group of SIX golfers play Bonita Pass Friday night. Then a foursome with two pre-teens play next, with Grandpa. One walked through the sand trap to put a club back in the cart and walked through the same sand trap back to the green to putt. NO ONE
RAKED the trap, and NO AMBASSADOR IN SIGHT!! Then once they (group of six) could not see to play, they drove back on the cart path, over the grass to enter Triggerfish, over the curb to return home. What a mess.....

Was this after the starter shack closed and the ambassador left??? It's amazing what some people think they can do when no one is watching.

[JMintzer]

Lots of putting courses and pitch and putt courses. Not many executive courses - and it looks like no executive courses being built south of 44 and north of the Turnpike - a huge area! And three new championship courses south of the Turnpike.

There are 5 new exec courses planned. Just a bit farther away in the timeline...

Someone posted a map showing where they were going to be...

[coleprice]

Lots of putting courses and pitch and putt courses. Not many executive courses - and it looks like no executive courses being built south of 44 and north of the Turnpike - a huge area! And three new championship courses south of the Turnpike.

My assessment matches yours. Not many Executive Courses to serve the high number of new homes being built in the South end of The Villages. The focus is on building Championship Golf Courses, Putting Courses and Pitch & Puts in lieu of Executive Courses. If I were a golfer looking to buy in The Villages, I'd be shopping for a Preowned home in the middle or the north end of TV so that I had convenient access to both Executive & Championship Golf Courses.

[westernrider75]

According to the map there are 2 executive courses being planned south of 44.

[DaleDivine]

According to the map there are 2 executive courses being planned south of 44.

And that will make a total of SEVEN courses south of 44...
:bigbow::bigbow:

[DaleDivine]

I was seeing a significant increase in younger players back home in the years leading up to Covid...

Junior golf was on the rise, as was also seen in the 25-35 yo age group...

I always hated when they joined us. They have a spine that actually works! Very frustrating to see... :1rotfl:

Like watching Tiger's son... That kid has a natural swing and bends with no problem.
My back hurts just watching these younger golfers swinging.

:bigbow::bigbow:

[OhioBuckeye]

We’ll we don’t live in TV anymore but when we lived there that’s what the Snow Birds came to do. TV newspaper there used to say they scheduled tee times every 7 mins. on all the courses & some people complained they couldn’t get a tee time. But can’t believe how fast TV is growing that golfers fear the golf courses will slowly go away. Always said TV is a Disneyland for retirees! Better support it or people might start moving somewhere else.

[JP]

My assessment matches yours. Not many Executive Courses to serve the high number of new homes being built in the South end of The Villages. The focus is on building Championship Golf Courses, Putting Courses and Pitch & Puts in lieu of Executive Courses. If I were a golfer looking to buy in The Villages, I'd be shopping for a Preowned home in the middle or the north end of TV so that I had convenient access to both Executive & Championship Golf Courses.

You are exactly right.

[Lllll]

VERY Disappointing - only 2 new executive courses. In the last golf update I thought it showed 5 new executive courses, now only showing 2. That will be 7 executive golf courses south of 44 compared to 13 north of 466, 16 between 466 and 466A and 7 between 466A and 44 with a big gap (lots of houses, no executive golf courses) between those above 44 and those below 44. Is that the plan now to minimize the number of executive golf courses?

[Bogie Shooter]

We’ll we don’t live in TV anymore but when we lived there that’s what the Snow Birds came to do. TV newspaper there used to say they scheduled tee times every 7 mins. on all the courses & some people complained they couldn’t get a tee time. But can’t believe how fast TV is growing that golfers fear the golf courses will slowly go away. Always said TV is a Disneyland for retirees! Better support it or people might start moving somewhere else.

What makes you think there is no support?

[Bogie Shooter]

VERY Disappointing - only 2 new executive courses. In the last golf update I thought it showed 5 new executive courses, now only showing 2. That will be 7 executive golf courses south of 44 compared to 13 north of 466, 16 between 466 and 466A and 7 between 466A and 44 with a big gap (lots of houses, no executive golf courses) between those above 44 and those below 44. Is that the plan now to minimize the number of executive golf courses?

You may want to read all posts on this thread.

[JMintzer]

VERY Disappointing - only 2 new executive courses. In the last golf update I thought it showed 5 new executive courses, now only showing 2. That will be 7 executive golf courses south of 44 compared to 13 north of 466, 16 between 466 and 466A and 7 between 466A and 44 with a big gap (lots of houses, no executive golf courses) between those above 44 and those below 44. Is that the plan now to minimize the number of executive golf courses?

They were only talking about next year's development... There are still more to come...

[Papa_lecki]

I think the metric of south of 44 is misleading. The turnpike plays a huge role in separating the championship and executive courses.

The 1 championship course south of 44 (southern oaks), is a great location if you live near Saw Grass Grove, BUT if you live anywhere on the other side of the turnpike, its a 30 to 45 minute drive (it’s a 20 minute ride from the turnpike bridge to Saw Grass Grove).

Same concept for the executive courses south of 44 - but in reverse. They are ALL, now, on the other side of the turnpike. So you’re looking at 30 minutes to the closest one.

If you live anywhere north of 44 (say between 466a and 44) - you’re probably 15 minutes to 2 of the 3 championships and 15 minutes from 3 executives. Probably similar math for the LSL area.

[tophcfa]

I think the metric of south of 44 is misleading. The turnpike plays a huge role in separating the championship and executive courses.

The 1 championship course south of 44 (southern oaks), is a great location if you live near Saw Grass Grove, BUT if you live anywhere on the other side of the turnpike, its a 30 to 45 minute drive (it’s a 20 minute ride from the turnpike bridge to Saw Grass Grove).

Same concept for the executive courses south of 44 - but in reverse. They are ALL, now, on the other side of the turnpike. So you’re looking at 30 minutes to the closest one.

If you live anywhere north of 44 (say between 466a and 44) - you’re probably 15 minutes to 2 of the 3 championships and 15 minutes from 3 executives. Probably similar math for the LSL area.

The math for the LSL area is not similar. You would be within 35 minutes of 12 Championship courses (10 of which are 27 holes) and approximately 35 Executives. And you wouldn’t have to worry about stumbling across a miniature golf course.

[Ga.dawg]

And what do you not like about Southern Oaks

[Topspinmo]

Wow! Don’t we have some negative Karen’s…

Yes we do, Sheldon :)

[HoosierPa]

We love it here and plan to stay forever. Lots of new Championahip and “short putting and pitching golf” but very little executive golf planned for new Areas. There is no executive golf east of Morse/468 and South of Volusia all the way to the turnpike. The new Villages of St Catherine, Bradford, Chitty Chatty, Hawkins, Citrus Grove, Cason Hammock all have a 30 minute golf cart ride to the nearest executive course.

[thevillages2013]

Watched a group of SIX golfers play Bonita Pass Friday night. Then a foursome with two pre-teens play next, with Grandpa. One walked through the sand trap to put a club back in the cart and walked through the same sand trap back to the green to putt. NO ONE
RAKED the trap, and NO AMBASSADOR IN SIGHT!! Then once they (group of six) could not see to play, they drove back on the cart path, over the grass to enter Triggerfish, over the curb to return home. What a mess.....
Approaching sunset it’s the wild Wild West on the executive courses. Last night at a friend’s house on the third hole on Bonita Pass we walked out back to see what was going on. There was no one on the tee so looking toward the green I saw a golf cart right by the green side bunker then I saw her. Single player and she was in the trap. Two swings later barely out of the bunker (no raking) then smacked a worm burner across the green. I quit watching for a few seconds and looked back and she was playing another ball from in front of the green. All totaled she had three balls on the green and a twosome came up to the tee and just decided to skip that hole . I counted eleven strokes and I didn’t see the tee shots! The sunset was spectacular and so was the Bourbon

[kcrazorbackfan]

If they keep building golf courses as awful as Southern Oaks, that's exactly what they'll be doing.

Explain why it’s so awful.

Just a blanket statement you made with no facts?

Too long for you? Too close to the Turnpike? Don’t like the layout?

Please let those of us that do like it know what compelled that statement….

[thevillages2013]

I think the metric of south of 44 is misleading. The turnpike plays a huge role in separating the championship and executive courses.

The 1 championship course south of 44 (southern oaks), is a great location if you live near Saw Grass Grove, BUT if you live anywhere on the other side of the turnpike, its a 30 to 45 minute drive (it’s a 20 minute ride from the turnpike bridge to Saw Grass Grove).

Same concept for the executive courses south of 44 - but in reverse. They are ALL, now, on the other side of the turnpike. So you’re looking at 30 minutes to the closest one.

If you live anywhere north of 44 (say between 466a and 44) - you’re probably 15 minutes to 2 of the 3 championships and 15 minutes from 3 executives. Probably similar math for the LSL area.

When the new turnpike bridge is completed you will have better connectivity

[JMintzer]

We love it here and plan to stay forever. Lots of new Championahip and “short putting and pitching golf” but very little executive golf planned for new Areas. There is no executive golf east of Morse/468 and South of Volusia all the way to the turnpike. The new Villages of St Catherine, Bradford, Chitty Chatty, Hawkins, Citrus Grove, Cason Hammock all have a 30 minute golf cart ride to the nearest executive course.

That strip of villages East of Morse is very narrow, with minimal space to build a golf course...

Yes, they only announced TWO new Exec courses, but that is for THIS year. There are an additional 3 more planned SO FAR...

And like the previous poster sad, once the bridge by Southern Oaks is finished, the courses West/South of 75 will be much closer....

[OhioBuckeye]

Isn’t this article about Future of golf? Why would anybody comment about the future of golf then, are they worried about golf not making it. Someone said maybe TV could build more homes in place of golf courses, are they worried?They built more golf courses didn’t they? Golf is still hot in TV. A lot of snowbirds do come to play golf, where else can you play for free, not at at Disneyland. I said TV is a Disneyland for retirees. I’m not worried about golf not making it.

[joelfmi]

and if it does not work out , they can put up some condosI have a better Ideas. Build more club houses and have community free travel to club houses and doctor appointments, shopping and airport travel, stop renting improve Quality life for seniors. A great deal of senior's needs is free transportation which you don't have.

[Bogie Shooter]

I have a better Ideas. Build more club houses and have community free travel to club houses and doctor appointments, shopping and airport travel, stop renting improve Quality life for seniors. A great deal of senior's needs is free transportation which you don't have.

What village did you purchase in?
Wait, you didn’t buy. Looked at all of your previous negative posts about TV.

[Mrprez]

I think the metric of south of 44 is misleading. The turnpike plays a huge role in separating the championship and executive courses.

The 1 championship course south of 44 (southern oaks), is a great location if you live near Saw Grass Grove, BUT if you live anywhere on the other side of the turnpike, its a 30 to 45 minute drive (it’s a 20 minute ride from the turnpike bridge to Saw Grass Grove).

Same concept for the executive courses south of 44 - but in reverse. They are ALL, now, on the other side of the turnpike. So you’re looking at 30 minutes to the closest one.

If you live anywhere north of 44 (say between 466a and 44) - you’re probably 15 minutes to 2 of the 3 championships and 15 minutes from 3 executives. Probably similar math for the LSL area.

Simple. Buy north of 44. Problem solved. Next!

[Papa_lecki]

Simple. Buy north of 44. Problem solved. Next!

I do live north of 44. Golf was important to my wife and I

I am within 5 minutes of 27 executive holes and 20 minutes of probably 45 more

i am within 20 minutes of 135 championship holes

It will improve south of 44, but the turnpike (even with the 2nd bridge) is a bag factor in access to golf.

[JoMar]

I have a better Ideas. Build more club houses and have community free travel to club houses and doctor appointments, shopping and airport travel, stop renting improve Quality life for seniors. A great deal of senior's needs is free transportation which you don't have.

A Michigan Troll?

[Mrprez]

I do live north of 44. Golf was important to my wife and I

I am within 5 minutes of 27 executive holes and 20 minutes of probably 45 more

i am within 20 minutes of 135 championship holes

It will improve south of 44, but the turnpike (even with the 2nd bridge) is a bag factor in access to golf.

Were all those golf courses there before the houses? I doubt it. I like golf too, but I liked the area south of 44 even more. THAT was more important to me and my wife as well as countless others who bought down here. If you live up north, why are you so concerned with what we have down here anyway?

[Bilyclub]

Were all those golf courses there before the houses? I doubt it. I like golf too, but I liked the area south of 44 even more. THAT was more important to me and my wife as well as countless others who bought down here. If you live up north, why are you so concerned with what we have down here anyway?

When you live by the 3 closest Executive Courses to the Brownwood Bridge one has to be concerned.

[Mrprez]

When you live by the 3 closest Executive Courses to the Brownwood Bridge one has to be concerned.

Works both ways my friend. Lowlands is the busiest of the 5 we have. Want to guess why?

[HIgolfers]

Approaching sunset it’s the wild Wild West on the executive courses. Last night at a friend’s house on the third hole on Bonita Pass we walked out back to see what was going on. There was no one on the tee so looking toward the green I saw a golf cart right by the green side bunker then I saw her. Single player and she was in the trap. Two swings later barely out of the bunker (no raking) then smacked a worm burner across the green. I quit watching for a few seconds and looked back and she was playing another ball from in front of the green. All totaled she had three balls on the green and a twosome came up to the tee and just decided to skip that hole . I counted eleven strokes and I didn’t see the tee shots! The sunset was spectacular and so was the Bourbon

Tonight I drove past Escambia and at 654 pm (it was dark out- Sunset was 626 pm according to my weather app) there was a 2 some playing number 8. And no they were not playing night golf with the glow in the dark balls! I have no idea how they could see! But different strokes for different folks . . .

[tophcfa]

Tonight I drove past Escambia and at 654 pm (it was dark out- Sunset was 626 pm according to my weather app) there was a 2 some playing number 8. And no they were not playing night golf with the glow in the dark balls! I have no idea how they could see! But different strokes for different folks . . .

It happens to my wife and I often. We like to play spontaneous evening golf when the mood strikes us. Sometimes we get in a quick round and sometimes we get stuck behind slow pokes and wind up trying to finish the last couple holes at dusk. Perhaps we need to get some of those glow balls, or should we call them slow poke balls?

[JMintzer]

Were all those golf courses there before the houses? I doubt it. I like golf too, but I liked the area south of 44 even more. THAT was more important to me and my wife as well as countless others who bought down here. If you live up north, why are you so concerned with what we have down here anyway?

Because most of the "people down there" are complaining that they don't yet have what "the people up here" have...

[Bilyclub]

Works both ways my friend. Lowlands is the busiest of the 5 we have. Want to guess why?


Not really. 2 of the 3 courses are Level 4 and the other is Level 3. A ride down to Lowlands, a Level 2, is 22 minutes. Up here I can get to 20 Exec courses in under 20 minutes

[JMintzer]

Works both ways my friend. Lowlands is the busiest of the 5 we have. Want to guess why?

Because it's the easiest to get to of all of the executive courses south of 44?

[Mrprez]

:Because it's the easiest to get to of all of the executive courses south of 44?

Bingo.

[Mrprez]

Because most of the "people down there" are complaining that they don't yet have what "the people up here" have...

Most of the people? Did you take a poll? Nobody I know of is complaining. There were some gripes about the bridges taking so long but that issue is resolved.

[Mrprez]

Not really. 2 of the 3 courses are Level 4 and the other is Level 3. A ride down to Lowlands, a Level 2, is 22 minutes. Up here I can get to 20 Exec courses in under 20 minutes

That’s not the point. You alluded to the crowding at the 3 courses closest to Brownwood. The solution to your problem is to just golf up there and forget about the southern courses. But, the courses are available to every villager without regard for where they live.

[JMintzer]

Most of the people? Did you take a poll? Nobody I know of is complaining. There were some gripes about the bridges taking so long but that issue is resolved.

I'm obviously talking about this thread and threads like in on ToTV... But you knew that, right?

[Dorebea]

Were all those golf courses there before the houses? I doubt it. I like golf too, but I liked the area south of 44 even more. THAT was more important to me and my wife as well as countless others who bought down here. If you live up north, why are you so concerned with what we have down here anyway?

I agree. We close on a house south of 44 next week. In reading various TOTV posts for the past year or so i notice that people north of 44 (or even non-villagers) are quick to point out what they perceive are negatives about living south of 44 yet i rarely see the reverse (people from ‘the south’ initiating complaints about the area north of 44 , (and yes there are some negatives). Everyone is living where they choose and their reasons are unique to them. Really, what is the objective of being negative about some other area?

[JMintzer]

I agree. We close on a house south of 44 next week. In reading various TOTV posts for the past year or so i notice that people north of 44 (or even non-villagers) are quick to point out what they perceive are negatives about living south of 44 yet i rarely see the reverse (people from ‘the south’ initiating complaints about the area north of 44 , (and yes there are some negatives). Everyone is living where they choose and their reasons are unique to them. Really, what is the objective of being negative about some other area?

I suggest you read more as there's plenty of complaints from "both sides"... Or, on second thought, don't. It's not worth the aggravation...

[VApeople]

Really, what is the objective of being negative about some other area?

That is a good question.

In my case, I make negative comments about an area because I see a serious flaw in that area and I want to warn people to not buy a home there.

[asianthree]

That is a good question.

In my case, I make negative comments about an area because I see a serious flaw in that area and I want to warn people to not buy a home there.

So you see a serious flaw, to You, and warn people not to buy? Consumer alert, or think people are just not smart enough to research on their own, before they spend over $500,000.

Bonus about playing golf in TV is you can play near your home, or travel over an hour to play a different course. Up north we play at our club, which took us 45 minutes to drive by car. Same 27 holes every week for $$$ every month, plus the buy in. No matter where you live in TV, you can play golf without needing a buy in membership. We like Southern Oaks, just as well as most of the other championships.

I have known for many years, there is a turnpike, prison, a mine, sinkholes, bugs, snakes, and not a grocery within walking distance to a house. A golf course may be 20 minutes away, But I am ok with that. Percentage of unhappiness in TV seems to be very low, after buying.

I do applaud the public service announcement, but I don’t think that many are taking your advice. Plus buying a preowned is few and far between, and who has the time to wait years to buy a preowned.

[JMintzer]

So you see a serious flaw, to You, and warn people not to buy? Consumer alert, or think people are just not smart enough to research on their own, before they spend over $500,000.

Bonus about playing golf in TV is you can play near your home, or travel over an hour to play a different course. Up north we play at our club, which took us 45 minutes to drive by car. Same 27 holes every week for $$$ every month, plus the buy in. No matter where you live in TV, you can play golf without needing a buy in membership. We like Southern Oaks, just as well as most of the other championships.

I have known for many years, there is a turnpike, prison, a mine, sinkholes, bugs, snakes, and not a grocery within walking distance to a house. A golf course may be 20 minutes away, But I am ok with that. Percentage of unhappiness in TV seems to be very low, after buying.

I do applaud the public service announcement, but I don’t think that many are taking your advice. Plus buying a preowned is few and far between, and who has the time to wait years to buy a preowned.

Why would someone have to wait years to buy a pre-owned home?

[Dr Winston O Boogie jr]

Lots of putting courses and pitch and putt courses. Not many executive courses - and it looks like no executive courses being built south of 44 and north of the Turnpike - a huge area! And three new championship courses south of the Turnpike.

My thoughts exactly. I did see one un-named executive course being planned but that's no where enough. We currently only have five executive courses south of 44 and they are almost impossible to get on. The best of them is a half mile of my house and I haven't been able to get on in the past six months.

[JMintzer]

My thoughts exactly. I did see one un-named executive course being planned but that's no where enough. We currently only have five executive courses south of 44 and they are almost impossible to get on. The best of them is a half mile of my house and I haven't been able to get on in the past six months.

Odd. Just since December, I've played both Foxes, Loblolly (twice) and I'm playing Longleaf tomorrow...

Which one is considered "the best"? I've heard that Lowlands is nice and it's on my "to do" list...

Are you trying to book foursomes? Are you using the online thevillages.net site? I often sign up as a single and join another group. It's a great way to meet people...

[Altavia]

...

We currently only have five executive courses south of 44 and they are almost impossible to get on. The best of them is a half mile of my house and I haven't been able to get on in the past six months.

When are you making requestes?

Using Villages.Net and requesting in advance, I've gotten the Ttime requested at Longleaf every time. We are just a weekly golfers so we don't carry many points.

[VApeople]

In my case, I make negative comments about an area because I see a serious flaw in that area and I want to warn people to not buy a home there.

I do applaud the public service announcement, but I don’t think that many are taking your advice.

Yeah, many buyers have not taken my advice, but some of them probably wish they had.

I criticized one new village and now I see ten resales in that village. Another nearby village only has three.

[Altavia]

Why would someone have to wait years to buy a pre-owned home?

Probably not years but sure you know premium homes in good locations often resell before listing.

Then 3 car garage are rare as a five legged goat.

[ElDiabloJoe]

Yeah, many buyers have not taken my advice, but some of them probably wish they had.

I criticized one new village and now I see ten resales in that village. Another nearby village only has three.

Well, Thank God there's at least one omniscient person who knows more than the rest of us about what is best for the rest of us. What on earth would we do without your pontifications to save us from ourselves. P.I.P. much?

You sound like a particular group of politicians in this country whose true mantra is: "I know what is better for you than you know yourself."

[VApeople]

What on earth would we do without your pontifications to save us from ourselves.

Fortunately you will not have to find out.

Just print out my posts, tape them on your refrigerator, and you will be set for life.

[Bogie Shooter]

Fortunately you will not have to find out.

Just print out my posts, tape them on your refrigerator, and you will be set for life.

Only if one desires to find negativity in everything.

[ElDiabloJoe]

Fortunately you will not have to find out.

Just print out my posts, tape them on your refrigerator, and you will be set for life.
I'll get right on that. Priority One for today. :a040: