Bicycles on MMP

[nick demis]

After my experience yesterday, I hope to never see posts how golf carts need to be more courteous to bicyclists. Here is 2 examples we had. Two, 3 wheeled bicyclist spaced just far enough apart, had traffic blocked all the way from the rotary off of the Waterlily bridge all the way to Brownwood parking lot. By the time we reached the Brownwood parking lot, there had to be at least 40 carts backed up and took almost 25 minutes. On our way back to St Catherine. there were 40-50 bicyclist approaching the tunnel that crossed over by the Waterlily bridge with well over 50 carts following that couldn't have been going 5 miles per hour. When bicyclists start to respect golf cart drivers, they can than earn the respect to them.

[MrFlorida]

agree.

[FromDC]

Hum, if 40-50 bike riders were riding at 5 mph, they would fall over. I'm sure they weren't riding that slow. Also, take a picture of 40-50 bike riders grouped together on the path. I don't think that happened.

[John-US]

After my experience yesterday, I hope to never see posts how golf carts need to be more courteous to bicyclists. Here is 2 examples we had. Two, 3 wheeled bicyclist spaced just far enough apart, had traffic blocked all the way from the rotary off of the Waterlily bridge all the way to Brownwood parking lot. By the time we reached the Brownwood parking lot, there had to be at least 40 carts backed up and took almost 25 minutes. On our way back to St Catherine. there were 40-50 bicyclist approaching the tunnel that crossed over by the Waterlily bridge with well over 50 carts following that couldn't have been going 5 miles per hour. When bicyclists start to respect golf cart drivers, they can than earn the respect to them.

Did it occur to anyone to pull over and take in the majestic sights.. for say 10-15 minutes... let the mob of carts go by... Why sit behind that nonsense.. sniffing the exhaust of 50 carts?? - it was also the berry festival and everyone who loves crowds attended!

Remember folks crowds = traffic

No likey stay homie

[Bilyclub]

Strawberry Fest is always a cluster.

[John-US]

And this year it's a 2 day CLUSTER!

love it!

[Toymeister]

Bicycles have every right to be on the MMPs.

The reason that there was a backup was because the first cart determined that there was not enough room to perform a safe pass of the cyclists.

If that bothers you or slows you down then get your keys, open your garage, and drive your automobile.

Your privilege of operating a cart on the MMP ends exactly where the cyclist's begins. Your privilege is not greater than anyone else's in The Villages.

[Dotneko]

Bicycles have every right to be on the MMPs.

If that bothers you or slows you down then get your keys, open your garage, and drive your automobile.

Your privilege of operating a cart on the MMP ends exactly where are cyclist's begins.

They have the right to use, but not to block it. Anymore than a group of walkers could walk ten abreast and not permit others to go by.

[Toymeister]

They have the right to use, but not to block it. Anymore than a group of walkers could walk ten abreast and not permit others to go by.

They can and should take the entire lane and walkers should as well.

If a cyclist rides towards the right in the MMP then carts will "share the lane". That is extremely dangerous for the cyclist. Cart drivers can and do force cyclists off the path. If you are in such a rush to pass (an emergency) pass on the grass. All golf carts are designed to do this, most bicycles on the MMPs here are not.

Replace MMP with a two lane public road, carts for cars, and bicycle or ebike for motorcycle.

At anytime in your LIFETIME have you intentionally shared a lane with a motorcycle? What about a 150cc motorcycle (very small, not powerful but road legal)? No, you have not. For exactly the same reason you, as a cart driver should NEVER share a lane with a cyclist. If it is not safe to pass then you follow the cyclist until it is safe to do so. It's pretty simple. Your privilege of operating a cart on a mmp IS NOT SUPERIOR to a cyclist, never.

I can't believe that's have to explain this to an adult.

[Bill14564]

Bicycles have every right to be on the MMPs.

The reason that there was a backup was because the first cart determined that there was not enough room to perform a safe pass of the cyclists.

If that bothers you or slows you down then get your keys, open your garage, and drive your automobile.

Your privilege of operating a cart on the MMP ends exactly where the cyclist's begins. Your privilege is not greater than anyone else's in The Villages.

It isn't about rights, it's about respect and courtesy. Knowingly impeding others is not very courteous or respectful even if it is your right to do so.

[Toymeister]

It isn't about rights, it's about respect and courtesy. Knowingly impeding others is not very courteous or respectful even if it is your right to do so.

How, exactly, can a trike give anyone room to pass without a cart entering the other lane? This is what this thread is about, although the same concept applies to two wheeled bicycles


They can't. It is a physical impossibly.

[Arctic Fox]

Hum, if 40-50 bike riders were riding at 5 mph, they would fall over. I'm sure they weren't riding that slow.


The OP did say that the procession "couldn't have been going 5 miles per hour", and I think we can all agree with that.

[fdpaq0580]

It isn't about rights, it's about respect and courtesy. Knowingly impeding others is not very courteous or respectful even if it is your right to do so.

Both correct ... to a point. Respect and courtesy is a two way street. Walkers, and most bikers cannot travel at 20 mph. Since I know this, I never try to push them or expect them to do more then they can. After all, they are working at getting some exercise while I'm just sitting on my fat butt. A couple of minutes is no big deal unless your having a heart attack.

[OrangeBlossomBaby]

There was a group of 10 or so cyclists on Morse yesterday. I was behind them in my golf cart, on my way from the "historic" section to Brownwood for the Strawberry Festival. Never been down there by golf cart so I thought I'd enjoy the beautiful day and give it a try.

There wasn't any vehicular traffic behind me so I sped up to pass them. But then it turns out, they were speeding up too and were going close to 19MPH. I was very impressed. I also got back into the golf cart lane and slowed down so as not to tailgate them. Any group of cyclists who can maintain speeds of over 15mph deserves respect, not disdain. If they hadn't sped up, they would've been going around 11mph - which in my opinion is slow enough for me to pass them.

[fdpaq0580]

How, exactly, can a trike give anyone room to pass without a cart entering the other lane? This is what this thread is about, although the same concept applies to two wheeled bicycles


They can't. It is a physical impossibly.

Could they pull off the path for a minute to let the backed up carts go by???

[Bogie Shooter]

Wasn’t this covered in detail on 2 plus previous threads??

[fdpaq0580]

Wasn’t this covered in detail on 2 plus previous threads??

Yes, but never really came to a consensus. Don't worry, we'll keep argu, I mean, discussing it for as loooooong as it takes.
😁😁😁

[Bogie Shooter]

Wasn’t this covered in detail on 2 plus previous threads??

Yes, but never really came to a consensus. Don't worry, we'll keep argu, I mean, discussing it for as loooooong as it takes.
😁😁😁

Furthermore dog poop stinks.:1rotfl:

[Bill14564]

It isn't about rights, it's about respect and courtesy. Knowingly impeding others is not very courteous or respectful even if it is your right to do so.

How, exactly, can a trike give anyone room to pass without a cart entering the other lane? This is what this thread is about, although the same concept applies to two wheeled bicycles


They can't. It is a physical impossibly.

Could they pull off the path for a minute to let the backed up carts go by???

Exactly this!

I'm sure I'm not the only one who will step aside or move over to let a line of others pass. Simple courtesy.

Choose one:
A. I have a right to be here and I will ride as fast or slow as I want. I pay the same taxes and amenity fees as anyone else. All those behind me can just suck it up!

B. Why should I hold up all those behind me? Pulling off for one minute won't hurt me, will help them, and maybe next time someone will do the same for me.

[fdpaq0580]

Exactly this!

I'm sure I'm not the only one who will step aside or move over to let a line of others pass. Simple courtesy.

Choose one:
A. I have a right to be here and I will ride as fast or slow as I want. I pay the same taxes and amenity fees as anyone else. All those behind me can just suck it up!

B. Why should I hold up all those behind me? Pulling off for one minute won't hurt me, will help them, and maybe next time someone will do the same for me.

Bill, I'll take "B" for 100 brownie points.
😇

[BigSteph]

Even when I am in a cart and another cart quickly approaches, I often pull over and let the speedsters go.

I pull over because I like to drive in the beautiful environs and take in the scenery as I drive.

If the two bicyclist with 3 wheels each are side by side, I suspect they are pushing the width limit of their lane. I could see that actually being a hazard to the carts in the oncoming lane. It only takes a slight wobble to go over the imaginary line.

To me, whatever the conveyance (walking, biking, carting, somersaulting, etc.), if you are taking a leisurely stride and others are approaching from the rear and stacking up, you could simply let them pass -- stress be gone, go leisure again after they pass.

Like this person said, there is always the other side of tolerance that makes you angry that sphincters run up on you like they own the road. And this is true, but these same fine folks do it on the highways, Publix and Walmart aisles and elsewhere. If you get made every time, you'll be made all the time. Don't be mad all the time. Life is shorter when you get to The Villages.








Exactly this!

I'm sure I'm not the only one who will step aside or move over to let a line of others pass. Simple courtesy.

Choose one:
A. I have a right to be here and I will ride as fast or slow as I want. I pay the same taxes and amenity fees as anyone else. All those behind me can just suck it up!

B. Why should I hold up all those behind me? Pulling off for one minute won't hurt me, will help them, and maybe next time someone will do the same for me.

[Bilyclub]

They were really pushing the 4 wheel bicycles at the Everglades Outdoors Event Friday.

[Toymeister]

Could they pull off the path for a minute to let the backed up carts go by???

In this thread, if we are to believe the OP. Two trikes caused a road jam that covered a distance of over two miles. That's the distance from the round about at Water lilly to the Brownwood bridge. Further, these trikes maintained a speed of 5mph (trikes can easily hit 20mpg downhill).

None of this is true, obviously. Despite, this the OP asks us to believe the trikes were rude or discourteous.

Why would anyone believe the first two statements, demonstratively false while believing the third?

[fdpaq0580]

In this thread, if we are to believe the OP. Two trikes caused a road jam that covered a distance of over two miles. That's the distance from the round about at Water lilly to the Brownwood bridge. Further, these trikes maintained a speed of 5mph (trikes can easily hit 20mpg downhill).

None of this is true, obviously. Despite, this the OP asks us to believe the trikes were rude or discourteous.

Why would anyone believe the first two statements, demonstratively false while believing the third?

I would say that in many posted scenarios where pictures are not added for support, certain "facts" are often exaggerated. However, there is still a principal to the tale. Here the principal is courtesy. Carts should not try to "push" or intimidate bikes or walkers. In return, walkers and bikers should be aware of things approaching from behind so that, when it is safe and reasonable to do so, move aside so the carts can safely get by. If both parties play nice they will both be happy. If either party does not act with courtes, then both parties will complain here.

[golfing eagles]

Exactly this!

I'm sure I'm not the only one who will step aside or move over to let a line of others pass. Simple courtesy.

Choose one:
A. I have a right to be here and I will ride as fast or slow as I want. I pay the same taxes and amenity fees as anyone else. All those behind me can just suck it up!

B. Why should I hold up all those behind me? Pulling off for one minute won't hurt me, will help them, and maybe next time someone will do the same for me.

Best post of this thread. I would wish that the militant cyclists read it about 100 times over and over. (Of course, they won't---it might interfere with "their rights")

[Bill14564]

In this thread, if we are to believe the OP. Two trikes caused a road jam that covered a distance of over two miles. That's the distance from the round about at Water lilly to the Brownwood bridge. Further, these trikes maintained a speed of 5mph (trikes can easily hit 20mpg downhill).

None of this is true, obviously. Despite, this the OP asks us to believe the trikes were rude or discourteous.

Why would anyone believe the first two statements, demonstratively false while believing the third?

I believe you misread the post. The road jam did not extend two miles in length (about 400 carts), the road jam existed for 25 minutes while covering two miles of distance and growing to 40 carts.

Two miles in 25 minutes would be about 5mph average. This seems slow, but.... While a trike might reach 20mph going downhill, it would not be going nearly that fast if it had to make a 90 degree turn at the bottom to go into a tunnel. It also would not go that fast riding up the hill out of the tunnel on the other side. There are several stop signs along that route which would further affect the average speed.

It isn't obvious to me that "none of this is true." There may have been some exaggeration (imagine that!) but the situation seems plausible.

[Topspinmo]

Bicycles have every right to be on the MMPs.

The reason that there was a backup was because the first cart determined that there was not enough room to perform a safe pass of the cyclists.

If that bothers you or slows you down then get your keys, open your garage, and drive your automobile.

Your privilege of operating a cart on the MMP ends exactly where the cyclist's begins. Your privilege is not greater than anyone else's in The Villages.

That’s not sharing the MMP it’s hogging it.

[Topspinmo]

In this thread, if we are to believe the OP. Two trikes caused a road jam that covered a distance of over two miles. That's the distance from the round about at Water lilly to the Brownwood bridge. Further, these trikes maintained a speed of 5mph (trikes can easily hit 20mpg downhill).

None of this is true, obviously. Despite, this the OP asks us to believe the trikes were rude or discourteous.

Why would anyone believe the first two statements, demonstratively false while believing the third?


Was you there? If not why should I believe you?

[Toymeister]

I believe you misread the post. The road jam did not extend two miles in length (about 400 carts), the road jam existed for 25 minutes while covering two miles of distance and growing to 40 carts.

Two miles in 25 minutes would be about 5mph average. This seems slow, but.... While a trike might reach 20mph going downhill, it would not be going nearly that fast if it had to make a 90 degree turn at the bottom to go into a tunnel. It also would not go that fast riding up the hill out of the tunnel on the other side. There are several stop signs along that route which would further affect the average speed.

It isn't obvious to me that "none of this is true." There may have been some exaggeration (imagine that!) but the situation seems plausible.

Here's the difference between you and I on this matter. I've put over 1500 miles on a trike (I know how they perform) and I travel this section on the MMP eight or more times a week on a two wheeled bicycle.

I can assure you that they didn't operate at 5mph. That just is not true. It's just not comfortable to ride at that speed

Unlike the multi modal path in your neighborhood of Hillsborough, there are zero homes where he is talking about. No cars crossing at village entrances, zero carts entering the MMP, carts exiting the MMP= nada.

There are just long and very long straight sections with hi visablity to pass, no vegetation. It's easy for six to eight carts to pass. There are several of these sections. The OP has gone beyond stretching the truth, instead writing a fictional post about something that didn't happen.

The only possibility under any circumstances is there was a tremendous amount of oncoming traffic which made it unsafe to pass. If that is the case, which I doubt, then it was unsafe to pass. It is not any cyclist, slower moving cart, loaded four passenger carts, or anything that is legally operating on the MMP, that is not traveling at the speed the OP wants to travel at, problem or obligation to pull off the path for anyone to pass. This is exactly the same as allowing an irrational driver to pass me in a bumper to bumper traffic jam.

[brianherlihy]

well i just got in the road and passed them all and went back on the path. we all can go in the road

[JMintzer]

They have the right to use, but not to block it. Anymore than a group of walkers could walk ten abreast and not permit others to go by.

If they were riding single file, you would be wrong...

[JMintzer]

Could they pull off the path for a minute to let the backed up carts go by???

That would have been polite, but not required...

[JMintzer]

Wasn’t this covered in detail on 2 plus previous threads??

Only two? :icon_wink:

[Bogie Shooter]

Only two? :icon_wink:

2 plus….

[golfing eagles]

The only possibility under any circumstances is there was a tremendous amount of oncoming traffic which made it unsafe to pass. If that is the case, which I doubt, then it was unsafe to pass. It is not any cyclist, slower moving cart, loaded four passenger carts, or anything that is legally operating on the MMP, that is not traveling at the speed the OP wants to travel at, problem or obligation to pull off the path for anyone to pass. This is exactly the same as allowing an irrational driver to pass me in a bumper to bumper traffic jam.

Not their obligation, but it would be the courteous thing to do. If we believe the story, it was not just the speed the OP wanted to go, it was the speed 40 other drivers wanted. If someone is on a 2 lane road with a double yellow line and is travelling at 30 mph in a 55 zone, they are not obligated to pull over and let others pass, but if they don't they are *****(fill in whatever you choose). Just because a trike has the right to ride 5 (or 8 or 10 or whatever) mph on the MMP, doesn't mean they have to shove that right down everyone else's throat.

PS: You might not like letting an "irrational" driver pass, but it's usually a good idea----far better they are ahead of you than behind or along side.

[Mrprez]

Widen all the MMPs to three lane with an alternating passing lane.

[Bill14564]

Here's the difference between you and I on this matter. ....

I assure you, there are several more differences. But, since you've made up you mind and aren't going to let facts change it, I guess I'm done.

[Babubhat]

Every day I watch them blow through stop signs.

[BrianL99]

I can't believe that's have to explain this to an adult.

When you've appointed yourself the Rule Maker & King of the Paths, how is anyone else to know the rules you've made up, unless you spread the word?

Do you have a podcast or anything, where folks can tune in and hear your new mandates and perhaps ask you questions?

[La lamy]

Widen all the MMPs to three lane with an alternating passing lane.

WHOA!!!!! Then 2 oncoming carts choose to pass in that third lane at the same time?! I think a whole different smaller lanes for bikes/pedestrians where possible.

[La lamy]

Every day I watch them blow through stop signs.

Bikes are not the only vehicles doing that. I often see cars even go through red lights!!! Yikes :ohdear: :ohdear: :ohdear:

[golfing eagles]

Bikes are not the only vehicles doing that. I often see cars even go through red lights!!! Yikes :ohdear: :ohdear: :ohdear:

But have you ever seen a pack of 20 cars blow through a stop sign as if they were one entity???

[DeborahK]

Hear, hear!

[lpkruege1]

They can and should take the entire lane and walkers should as well.

If a cyclist rides towards the right in the MMP then carts will "share the lane". That is extremely dangerous for the cyclist. Cart drivers can and do force cyclists off the path. If you are in such a rush to pass (an emergency) pass on the grass. All golf carts are designed to do this, most bicycles on the MMPs here are not.

Replace MMP with a two lane public road, carts for cars, and bicycle or ebike for motorcycle.

At anytime in your LIFETIME have you intentionally shared a lane with a motorcycle? What about a 150cc motorcycle (very small, not powerful but road legal)? No, you have not. For exactly the same reason you, as a cart driver should NEVER share a lane with a cyclist. If it is not safe to pass then you follow the cyclist until it is safe to do so. It's pretty simple. Your privilege of operating a cart on a mmp IS NOT SUPERIOR to a cyclist, never.

I can't believe that's have to explain this to an adult.

Funny how people feel no one is as important as they are. My son farms. He could back traffic on roads as far as you can see. He pulls over and lets the cars and trucks go by when they start to back up. It's called being courteous. But there are those that feel no one is as important or as privileged as they are. Just because one person is not on a timeline doesn't mean everyone has to be on their timeline. I Can't believe that this has to be explained to an adult.

[DaleDivine]

:popcorn::popcorn::ohdear::ohdear:

[tsmall22204]

Bla bla bla. Now let's hear how a cyclists had his/her close encounter with death.
Everyone is in such a hurry. Most of us are retired aren't we?

[Ptmckiou]

I rode yesterday about 12 miles on the MMP, and part of it was all the way to the last turn around before the Brownwood bridge, on Meggison. Never once did I see an issue with carts having a problem passing when needed. I also didn’t see big groups of cyclists bunched up. They all seem to be spread out with wide gaps for passing. The largest group of cyclists I saw in the 12 miles was my group of six people. Most of my group averaged 18-20 miles an hour (we all have E-bikes) and we often had to pass carts going too slow. Btw, the trike in our group can do 29 miles an hour and no cart can keep up with him, so it’s not always the bikes slowing things up, since many are E-bikes these days.

[Ski Bum]

Well, if we equate rules of the road with sensible rules for the MMP, yeah, if you are traveling slowly and impeding traffic, you are required to pull over and let traffic pass by:

From drivinglaws.org

Impeding Traffic With Slow Driving

The laws of most states generally prohibit motorists from driving at such a slow speed as to impede the normal and reasonable flow of traffic. But the circumstances under which a driver can be ticketed for going too slow also depend on the roadway and other specific conditions.

Obstructing the Flow of Traffic
The laws of some states require motorists on multi-lane highways and interstates who are driving slower than the speed limit or the normal speed of traffic to be in the right-hand lane (often called the "slow lane"). Also, it's illegal in many states to drive side-by-side with another vehicle in such a way that prevents other cars from passing.

Minimum Speed Limits
Some highways and interstates also have minimum speed limits (that may or may not be posted). For example, some states have a minimum 40-mile-per-hour limit for state highways. Motorists who are going slower than the minimum speed limit (and aren't doing in response to traffic, safety hazards, or the like) can be ticketed.

Two-Lane Roads and Pullouts
The requirements are normally different for driving on two-lane, two-way roads. Generally, drivers on these roadways must stay in the right-hand lane and as close to the right-hand side of the lane as safely possible. And if other vehicles can't safely or lawfully pass, the slower driver might be required to pull to the side of the road at a safe turnout and allow the other cars to pass. Some states have laws that specify a slow-moving vehicle must pull over at the soonest safe pullout when five or more vehicles are formed in a line behind the vehicle.

[donfey]

Bicycles have every right to be on the MMPs.

The reason that there was a backup was because the first cart determined that there was not enough room to perform a safe pass of the cyclists.

If that bothers you or slows you down then get your keys, open your garage, and drive your automobile.

Your privilege of operating a cart on the MMP ends exactly where the cyclist's begins. Your privilege is not greater than anyone else's in The Villages.

Nor does the bikers. Their rights do not supersede anyone else's.

[Luggage]

Maybe you should all just learned patience

[charlie1]

I would say that in many posted scenarios where pictures are not added for support, certain "facts" are often exaggerated. However, there is still a principal to the tale. Here the principal is courtesy. Carts should not try to "push" or intimidate bikes or walkers. In return, walkers and bikers should be aware of things approaching from behind so that, when it is safe and reasonable to do so, move aside so the carts can safely get by. If both parties play nice they will both be happy. If either party does not act with courtes, then both parties will complain here.

Courtesy of all parties IS THE KEY! You can see just from this post (and others) that some people (on all three sides, bikers, walkers, and carts) feel they are entitled and do not have to show any courtesy for the other two groups using the MMPs. Fortunately, I have found them to be in the minority. Unfortunately, they are the ones that shout the loudest and most!

[toeser]

Could they pull off the path for a minute to let the backed up carts go by???

As a biker, I do that all the time. No cart ever has to follow me for more than 15-20 seconds.

[bobeaston]

I'm ~mostly~ with the Toymeister on this one. The problem described by the OP seems unreal. Those sections of the MMP are wide open and there is plenty of room to pass. Maybe it was a timid cart driver, afraid to pass, that was more responsible for the backup than the trike riders?

My wife and I ride trikes on the MMPs and have found courtesy and compromise to be the best policy. When we are on MMPs, we ride single file and stay to the right. Typically, we are moving 8-10 mph, and carts rarely have problems passing us. Yes, occasionally they need patience to avoid oncoming traffic, but "backups" are non-existent in our experience.

On the split MMPs, and there's a long one through our village of Chitty Chatty, we often see carts approaching in our mirrors and move further to the right, dropping one wheel onto the turf to make room. Likewise, passing carts sometimes go by with driver side wheels on the turf. No big deal. Courtesy is reciprocal and very very rarely abused.

BTW, some split MMPs have curbing, such as some along Morse, that prevents the one wheel on the turf tactic. For those, we always check the mirrors to see the likelihood of being overtaken for those short splits. In that case, we pull over and wait, usually for only a few seconds.

[daddys55]

They can and should take the entire lane and walkers should as well.

If a cyclist rides towards the right in the MMP then carts will "share the lane". That is extremely dangerous for the cyclist. Cart drivers can and do force cyclists off the path. If you are in such a rush to pass (an emergency) pass on the grass. All golf carts are designed to do this, most bicycles on the MMPs here are not.

Replace MMP with a two lane public road, carts for cars, and bicycle or ebike for motorcycle.

At anytime in your LIFETIME have you intentionally shared a lane with a motorcycle? What about a 150cc motorcycle (very small, not powerful but road legal)? No, you have not. For exactly the same reason you, as a cart driver should NEVER share a lane with a cyclist. If it is not safe to pass then you follow the cyclist until it is safe to do so. It's pretty simple. Your privilege of operating a cart on a mmp IS NOT SUPERIOR to a cyclist, never.

I can't believe that's have to explain this to an adult.

Slower move over let faster go by the speed limit is 20 not 5

[Bill14564]

I'm ~mostly~ with the Toymeister on this one. The problem described by the OP seems unreal. Those sections of the MMP are wide open and there is plenty of room to pass. Maybe it was a timid cart driver, afraid to pass, that was more responsible for the backup than the trike riders?



That day was the first day of the Strawberry Festival in Brownwood and there were huge numbers of carts moving in both directions. If there were two trikes riding single file with no room for a cart between (certainly reasonable) traveling 8-10 mph in the open areas then it would take quite a lot of empty space to feel comfortable pulling out to pass. It is at least conceivable that there were enough carts returning from Brownwood that there were few gaps large enough to make a safe pass.

I wasn't there to see what happened and I have never experienced that kind of backup myself - it could be completely fabricated. However, I'm not willing to call someone a liar when the situation they describe is at least plausible.

[PurePeach]

Bicycles have every right to be on the MMPs.

The reason that there was a backup was because the first cart determined that there was not enough room to perform a safe pass of the cyclists.

If that bothers you or slows you down then get your keys, open your garage, and drive your automobile.

Your privilege of operating a cart on the MMP ends exactly where the cyclist's begins. Your privilege is not greater than anyone else's in The Villages.

We’ll said, Toymeister!!! :bigbow:

[golfing eagles]

We’ll said, Toymeister!!! :bigbow:

No, NOT well said. The cyclist's privileges do not exceed anyone else's either.

Do you really think 2 trikes going 5 mph have the right to effectively shut down an entire MMP?

[Chellybean]

I think this whole thread shows the mentality of golfers rule and the others should take a backseat to them and move out of there way. It goes back to Entitled people and AHOLES. JMHO

[Bill14564]

I think this whole thread shows the mentality of golfers rule and the others should take a backseat to them and move out of there way. It goes back to Entitled people and AHOLES. JMHO

Really? Where in the entire thread did anyone mention golfers? The dozens of carts I saw at Brownwood were not there for golfing. The 25 carts I sat behind trying to get into Hillsborough were not there for golfing. My cart has never carried a golf bag or driven on a golf course and I would be surprised if the same wasn't true for 50% of the carts in the Villages. While there is definitely a sense of entitlement running through this thread, the thread is not about golfers at all.

[golfing eagles]

Really? Where in the entire thread did anyone mention golfers? The dozens of carts I saw at Brownwood were not there for golfing. The 25 carts I sat behind trying to get into Hillsborough were not there for golfing. My cart has never carried a golf bag or driven on a golf course and I would be surprised if the same wasn't true for 50% of the carts in the Villages. While there is definitely a sense of entitlement running through this thread, the thread is not about golfers at all.

As the British say: Hear, hear!

[fdpaq0580]

No, NOT well said. The cyclist's privileges do not exceed anyone else's either.

Do you really think 2 trikes going 5 mph have the right to effectively shut down an entire MMP?

Hmm. My understanding of toymiesters post was actually that no-one has a superior or inferior right to the MMP. Walkers, bikes/trikes, carts are equal on the MMP.

I don't believe for a moment that the entire MMP was shut down. However, a backup occurred and the culprit was a couple of trikes. Unless they were electric, they were peddling and perhaps not aware of the size of they backup. A friendly tap on the horn might have alerted them to let the carts pass. Or they might have been jerks and given the "finger" in reply. Either way, they're pedding while the cart riders are rlaxing on a comfy cushioned seat for a few extra minutes.

[golfing eagles]

Hmm. My understanding of toymiesters post was actually that no-one has a superior or inferior right to the MMP. Walkers, bikes/trikes, carts are equal on the MMP.

I don't believe for a moment that the entire MMP was shut down. However, a backup occurred and the culprit was a couple of trikes. Unless they were electric, they were peddling and perhaps not aware of the size of they backup. A friendly tap on the horn might have alerted them to let the carts pass. Or they might have been jerks and given the "finger" in reply. Either way, they're pedding while the cart riders are rlaxing on a comfy cushioned seat for a few extra minutes.

Any reason to believe the OP is a liar?????
I find it hard to believe only because I've never seen it, but with Strawberry Festival at Brownwood, I can't dismiss it either. But it doesn't matter---the point is that the MMP is a SHARED path/road. That means cart drivers have no right to run cyclists off the road or endanger them. Likewise, it means that, when safe, slower "traffic" should allow faster traffic to pass. It does NOT mean that trikes can block everyone else because they "have the right" to be there.

[OrangeBlossomBaby]

Any reason to believe the OP is a liar?????
I find it hard to believe only because I've never seen it, but with Strawberry Festival at Brownwood, I can't dismiss it either. But it doesn't matter---the point is that the MMP is a SHARED path/road. That means cart drivers have no right to run cyclists off the road or endanger them. Likewise, it means that, when safe, slower "traffic" should allow faster traffic to pass. It does NOT mean that trikes can block everyone else because they "have the right" to be there.

Pretty much this. I went to the Strawberry Festival. I ended up parking on the grass to the side of the MMP because the line just to GET to the parking lot was ridiculous. So I pulled off to the embankment and walked from there. Along with over 30 other golf carts who all had the same idea.

I passed a couple of bike riders who kept to the right as safely as they could. I was also tail-gated by someone with a tweaked golf cart that wanted to go faster than my 20.3mph cart (and the regulations) allowed. I was going as fast as I could, and I was *technically* going faster than the regulations allowed. So no - I wasn't going to pull over and let that golf cart pass me. With my luck, he'd pass me, then swerve to avoid a cyclist and cause an accident and I'd be stuck behind his stopped overturned golf cart for an hour. Folks like that can just wait. I won't be obnoxious and slow down (speed police), but I won't bend over backward to accommodate him either.

[golfing eagles]

Pretty much this. I went to the Strawberry Festival. I ended up parking on the grass to the side of the MMP because the line just to GET to the parking lot was ridiculous. So I pulled off to the embankment and walked from there. Along with over 30 other golf carts who all had the same idea.

I passed a couple of bike riders who kept to the right as safely as they could. I was also tail-gated by someone with a tweaked golf cart that wanted to go faster than my 20.3mph cart (and the regulations) allowed. I was going as fast as I could, and I was *technically* going faster than the regulations allowed. So no - I wasn't going to pull over and let that golf cart pass me. With my luck, he'd pass me, then swerve to avoid a cyclist and cause an accident and I'd be stuck behind his stopped overturned golf cart for an hour. Folks like that can just wait. I won't be obnoxious and slow down (speed police), but I won't bend over backward to accommodate him either.

Totally agree. But I don't think that was what the OP was stating.

[OrangeBlossomBaby]

Totally agree. But I don't think that was what the OP was stating.

This is the part of the OP's post that concerns me most:

Two, 3 wheeled bicyclist spaced just far enough apart, had traffic blocked all the way from the rotary off of the Waterlily bridge all the way to Brownwood parking lot.

Two 3-wheeled bikes riding beside each other will absolutely block the entire side of the MMP they're traveling in. If they were going under 15mph (and the OP claims it was 5mph, but I doubt it would've been THAT slow), then they should've pulled over once in awhile to let a group of golf carts pass. Sharing goes both ways. The bikes need to share with golf carts AND be respectful of the speed limit on the MMP.

Golf carts also need to share with bikes and be respectful of that speed limit. They don't have the "right" to go over 19.8mph, even on an actual road with a 25mph posted speed limit. The fastest a non-LSV golf cart is legally allowed to go is 19.8. On some MMPs and roads the speed limit is reduced to 15, and in some spots it can be as low as 10. Most people don't even pay attention to the 15mph sign on Paradise Avenue just before you get to the fire department from the Boone Gate, or on the other side after the Wales Gate at the church. And most people totally ignore the 10mph sign as you enter the area at Paige Place where the La Hacienda motel is, and the Hacienda rec center and sports pool on either side of the road.

When you TRY to obey the signs, you're often given dirty looks, or eye-rolls, or tail-gating experiences, or (on rare occasions) a horn honk.

If I'm going slower than the speed limit, I recognize, respect, and appreciate your right to pass me at the speed limit. But if I'm going the speed limit, you don't have that right. So just get behind me and be patient - and next time, leave 5 minutes earlier.

[golfing eagles]

This is the part of the OP's post that concerns me most:



Two 3-wheeled bikes riding beside each other will absolutely block the entire side of the MMP they're traveling in. If they were going under 15mph (and the OP claims it was 5mph, but I doubt it would've been THAT slow), then they should've pulled over once in awhile to let a group of golf carts pass. Sharing goes both ways. The bikes need to share with golf carts AND be respectful of the speed limit on the MMP.

Golf carts also need to share with bikes and be respectful of that speed limit. They don't have the "right" to go over 19.8mph, even on an actual road with a 25mph posted speed limit. The fastest a non-LSV golf cart is legally allowed to go is 19.8. On some MMPs and roads the speed limit is reduced to 15, and in some spots it can be as low as 10. Most people don't even pay attention to the 15mph sign on Paradise Avenue just before you get to the fire department from the Boone Gate, or on the other side after the Wales Gate at the church. And most people totally ignore the 10mph sign as you enter the area at Paige Place where the La Hacienda motel is, and the Hacienda rec center and sports pool on either side of the road.

When you TRY to obey the signs, you're often given dirty looks, or eye-rolls, or tail-gating experiences, or (on rare occasions) a horn honk.

If I'm going slower than the speed limit, I recognize, respect, and appreciate your right to pass me at the speed limit. But if I'm going the speed limit, you don't have that right. So just get behind me and be patient - and next time, leave 5 minutes earlier.

Again, totally agree

[Bill14564]

...

Golf carts also need to share with bikes and be respectful of that speed limit. They don't have the "right" to go over 19.8mph, even on an actual road with a 25mph posted speed limit. The fastest a non-LSV golf cart is legally allowed to go is 19.8. On some MMPs and roads the speed limit is reduced to 15, and in some spots it can be as low as 10. Most people don't even pay attention to the 15mph sign on Paradise Avenue just before you get to the fire department from the Boone Gate, or on the other side after the Wales Gate at the church. And most people totally ignore the 10mph sign as you enter the area at Paige Place where the La Hacienda motel is, and the Hacienda rec center and sports pool on either side of the road.

...

Just out of curiosity, where did you get that 19.8mph number? Florida Statute 320.01(22) states:
“Golf cart” means a motor vehicle that is designed and manufactured for operation on a golf course for sporting or recreational purposes and that is not capable of exceeding speeds of 20 miles per hour.
I would read that as saying the golf cart is legally allowed to go 20mph.

Maybe there is another Statute?

[BrianL99]

Just out of curiosity, where did you get that 19.8mph number? Florida Statute 320.01(22) states:
“Golf cart” means a motor vehicle that is designed and manufactured for operation on a golf course for sporting or recreational purposes and that is not capable of exceeding speeds of 20 miles per hour.
I would read that as saying the golf cart is legally allowed to go 20mph.

Maybe there is another Statute?
Where the person got that, is many cart dealers use 19.8 as upper speed limit, when they program the controllers on Electric Carts ... figuring that gives a sufficient margin of error, so customers don't get tickets and blame them.

It's another example of posters using anecdotal information from a dubious source, like it was chiseled on the stone tablets Moses brought down from the mountain. Everyone wants to sound like an expert, who knows more than everyone else.

[JMintzer]

Really? Where in the entire thread did anyone mention golfers? The dozens of carts I saw at Brownwood were not there for golfing. The 25 carts I sat behind trying to get into Hillsborough were not there for golfing. My cart has never carried a golf bag or driven on a golf course and I would be surprised if the same wasn't true for 50% of the carts in the Villages. While there is definitely a sense of entitlement running through this thread, the thread is not about golfers at all.

:bigbow::bigbow::bigbow:

[JMintzer]

Where the person got that, is many cart dealers use 19.8 as upper speed limit, when they program the controllers on Electric Carts ... figuring that gives a sufficient margin of error, so customers don't get tickets and blame them.

It's another example of posters using anecdotal information from a dubious source, like it was chiseled on the stone tablets Moses brought down from the mountain. Everyone wants to sound like an expert, who knows more than everyone else.

It was on one of the tablet Moses dropped...

https://youtu.be/FWSN6xYz8XQ

[Topspinmo]

Bikes are not the only vehicles doing that. I often see cars even go through red lights!!! Yikes :ohdear: :ohdear: :ohdear:

Down here we can turn right on red if safety to do so, unless otherwise posted (no right turn on red).

[clwahlstrom]

Reminds me of the San Francisco traffic when they have a bicycle day. It backs up the traffic through that city for hours. Sorry, but we start to get attitudes against cycles…And sometimes for good reason

[Topspinmo]

It was on one of the tablet Moses dropped...

https://youtu.be/FWSN6xYz8XQ


Or when Moses squash the golden calf when he threw the tables at golden calf.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-YETnMqtlyI

[Topspinmo]

Just out of curiosity, where did you get that 19.8mph number? Florida Statute 320.01(22) states:
“Golf cart” means a motor vehicle that is designed and manufactured for operation on a golf course for sporting or recreational purposes and that is not capable of exceeding speeds of 20 miles per hour.
I would read that as saying the golf cart is legally allowed to go 20mph.

Maybe there is another Statute?

Cause radar guns have calibration limit usually plus or minis 1 or less now days. That’s why you will never get ticket going 1 MPH over the speed limit. It won’t hold up in court.

[Michread]

If you are in a rush, take your car. It’s that simple!

Do you see golf carts sharing the road with other golf cars? Nope.

Bicycles should not share the road with carts. It’s too dangerous for the biker.

[Jeanne wilson]

It never happened. That’s fakest news I ever heard!

[Bilyclub]

Down here we can turn right on red if safety to do so, unless otherwise posted (no right turn on red).

Yes, but you must make a complete stop before making a turn on red and only if there is no oncoming traffic.

[nick demis]

Hum, if 40-50 bike riders were riding at 5 mph, they would fall over. I'm sure they weren't riding that slow. Also, take a picture of 40-50 bike riders grouped together on the path. I don't think that happened.

Thank you for calling me a liar. You maybe correct about the speed. Coming up the hill from the tunnel by before the rotary by the bridge, they were closer to a slow walk, 3-4 MPH. You are also correct about the number of bikes, probably closer to 60.

[Laker14]

Bla bla bla. Now let's hear how a cyclists had his/her close encounter with death.
Everyone is in such a hurry. Most of us are retired aren't we?

yes, but incontinent.

[nick demis]

Bicycles have every right to be on the MMPs.

The reason that there was a backup was because the first cart determined that there was not enough room to perform a safe pass of the cyclists.

If that bothers you or slows you down then get your keys, open your garage, and drive your automobile.

Your privilege of operating a cart on the MMP ends exactly where the cyclist's begins. Your privilege is not greater than anyone else's in The Villages.

Sorry but it is supposed to be SHARED not DOMINATED by any one. Can't believe the total lack of courtesy expressed by a lot of these posters. Hope that you are not the fluke case of trying to get to the emergency room when something like this happens.

[Laker14]

Sorry but it is supposed to be SHARED not DOMINATED by any one. Can't believe the total lack of courtesy expressed by a lot of these posters. Hope that you are not the fluke case of trying to get to the emergency room when something like this happens.

When I need the ER, I probably won't be in my golf cart.

[fdpaq0580]

Any reason to believe the OP is a liar?????
I find it hard to believe only because I've never seen it, but with Strawberry Festival at Brownwood, I can't dismiss it either. But it doesn't matter---the point is that the MMP is a SHARED path/road. That means cart drivers have no right to run cyclists off the road or endanger them. Likewise, it means that, when safe, slower "traffic" should allow faster traffic to pass. It does NOT mean that trikes can block everyone else because they "have the right" to be there.

In essence, I agree 100%. Only hold back is last sentence. I would have opted for, "Just because they have the ability to block traffic does not mean they should. To do such a thing is inconsiderate and rude and potentially very dangerous."
Is that change alright with you?
My hope, actually more of a wish, is to see all parties getting along in a friendly manner rather than an adversarial manner. Showing kindness and consideration for one another. Everyone could move more easily and efficiently, and more safely.

[fdpaq0580]

Any reason to believe the OP is a liar?.

Liar is harsh and, possibly, incorrect. Would you settle for. "May be prone to exaggeration in order to make a point"?

[golfing eagles]

In essence, I agree 100%. Only hold back is last sentence. I would have opted for, "Just because they have the ability to block traffic does not mean they should. To do such a thing is inconsiderate and rude and potentially very dangerous."
Is that change alright with you?
My hope, actually more of a wish, is to see all parties getting along in a friendly manner rather than an adversarial manner. Showing kindness and consideration for one another. Everyone could move more easily and efficiently, and more safely.

:bigbow::bigbow::bigbow:

[DDToto41]

How, exactly, can a trike give anyone room to pass without a cart entering the other lane? This is what this thread is about, although the same concept applies to two wheeled bicycles


They can't. It is a physical impossibly.

How can a cart pass a bicycle withoutt going into the other lane? I passed a bicycle the other day but I had to follow him for a while because of on coming traffic and the lanes split for a median. When it was clear I passed him by moving into the other lane and had 3 - 4 feet between him and I. I respected his rights and he gave me a wave to thank me, which was not necessary but appreciated.

[GNXGuy]

This is about courtesy. Suggesting someone pass on the right (grass) is ignorant. With that suggestion you lost all credibility on the subject.



They can and should take the entire lane and walkers should as well.

If a cyclist rides towards the right in the MMP then carts will "share the lane". That is extremely dangerous for the cyclist. Cart drivers can and do force cyclists off the path. If you are in such a rush to pass (an emergency) pass on the grass. All golf carts are designed to do this, most bicycles on the MMPs here are not.

Replace MMP with a two lane public road, carts for cars, and bicycle or ebike for motorcycle.

At anytime in your LIFETIME have you intentionally shared a lane with a motorcycle? What about a 150cc motorcycle (very small, not powerful but road legal)? No, you have not. For exactly the same reason you, as a cart driver should NEVER share a lane with a cyclist. If it is not safe to pass then you follow the cyclist until it is safe to do so. It's pretty simple. Your privilege of operating a cart on a mmp IS NOT SUPERIOR to a cyclist, never.

I can't believe that's have to explain this to an adult.

[PennBF]

Come on, lets get a laugh out of this. A lot of the cyclist's dress up like they are in the French Open race, and outfits so tight your amazed they get in them. A lot boast about the number of miles they have biked each day. It is true there is little respect from the large groups who ignore traffic on the road. I believe there is a law which restricts the bike to be no further than 3 feet from the curb which is ignored when the herd is riding. One last point, why must they ride in large groups? Is it a fear of being alone? I don't see other groups walking or riding in large groups in the road or MMP? Maybe someday we will see the "nerds of IT" walking in the road or MMP with outfits that are tight and show how many hacks they have made, Aah, life is great if you just look at the humor side. :a040:

[JMintzer]

Or when Moses squash the golden calf when he threw the tables at golden calf.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-YETnMqtlyI

Thank you for ruining a perfectly good Mel Brooks joke... :ohdear:

[JMintzer]

When I need the ER, I probably won't be in my golf cart.

For some, it's the only transportation they have...

[Marathon Man]

It isn't about rights, it's about respect and courtesy. Knowingly impeding others is not very courteous or respectful even if it is your right to do so.

Bicycles are allowed to be on the MMPs. They normally travel slower than golf carts. I would not consider this impeding. Also, should the golf cart driver not be respectful of the bike rider and realize that slower speeds are normal?

[Bill14564]

Bicycles are allowed to be on the MMPs. They normally travel slower than golf carts. I would not consider this impeding.
Merriam-Webster would consider that impeding but what is your definition?

Also, should the golf cart driver not be respectful of the bike rider and realize that slower speeds are normal?
Are you asking if the golf cart driver should just suck it up?

Your proposal sounds a lot like option A of post #19.

[OrangeBlossomBaby]

Bicycles are allowed to be on the MMPs. They normally travel slower than golf carts. I would not consider this impeding. Also, should the golf cart driver not be respectful of the bike rider and realize that slower speeds are normal?

Speed limits vary on MMPs, from 10mph to 20mph. The default is "20, unless otherwise posted."

Bike riders are allowed to go faster than 10 on most MMPs - and therefore if they want to pass a pedestrian, they absolutely may.

Golf carts are allowed to go faster than 15 on most MMPs - and therefore if they want to pass a slower bike rider, they absolutely may.

A bike rider cruising at a slow "sight-seeing" pace, who sees there are some golf carts trying to use the MMP as transportation from point A to point B, should respect that and pull to the side IF IT IS SAFE TO DO SO and allow those carts to pass.

A pedestrian walking up the MMP at a typical pedestrian pace, seeing bicycles coming toward him should respect that and step to the side IF IT IS SAFE TO DO SO and allow those bikes to pass.

On the roads that have MMP lanes rather than dedicated MMP roads (such as Morse and O'Dell), people moving at a slow enough pace that it's safe to pass them without going over the speed limit, SHOULD move closer to the right curb and allow those people to pass. Must they? No. They are not obligated to do so. But "must" and "should" mean different things.

One is a matter of policy. The other is a matter of being a civilized human being.

[MX rider]

Speed limits vary on MMPs, from 10mph to 20mph. The default is "20, unless otherwise posted."

Bike riders are allowed to go faster than 10 on most MMPs - and therefore if they want to pass a pedestrian, they absolutely may.

Golf carts are allowed to go faster than 15 on most MMPs - and therefore if they want to pass a slower bike rider, they absolutely may.

A bike rider cruising at a slow "sight-seeing" pace, who sees there are some golf carts trying to use the MMP as transportation from point A to point B, should respect that and pull to the side IF IT IS SAFE TO DO SO and allow those carts to pass.

A pedestrian walking up the MMP at a typical pedestrian pace, seeing bicycles coming toward him should respect that and step to the side IF IT IS SAFE TO DO SO and allow those bikes to pass.

On the roads that have MMP lanes rather than dedicated MMP roads (such as Morse and O'Dell), people moving at a slow enough pace that it's safe to pass them without going over the speed limit, SHOULD move closer to the right curb and allow those people to pass. Must they? No. They are not obligated to do so. But "must" and "should" mean different things.

One is a matter of policy. The other is a matter of being a civilized human being.

As a bike rider and a runner I would agree 100%. Well said.

[Altavia]

Well, if we equate rules of the road with sensible rules for the MMP, yeah, if you are traveling slowly and impeding traffic, you are required to pull over and let traffic pass by:

From drivinglaws.org

Impeding Traffic With Slow Driving

The laws of most states generally prohibit motorists from driving at such a slow speed as to impede the normal and reasonable flow of traffic. But the circumstances under which a driver can be ticketed for going too slow also depend on the roadway and other specific conditions.

Obstructing the Flow of Traffic
The laws of some states require motorists on multi-lane highways and interstates who are driving slower than the speed limit or the normal speed of traffic to be in the right-hand lane (often called the "slow lane"). Also, it's illegal in many states to drive side-by-side with another vehicle in such a way that prevents other cars from passing.

Minimum Speed Limits
Some highways and interstates also have minimum speed limits (that may or may not be posted). For example, some states have a minimum 40-mile-per-hour limit for state highways. Motorists who are going slower than the minimum speed limit (and aren't doing in response to traffic, safety hazards, or the like) can be ticketed.

Two-Lane Roads and Pullouts
The requirements are normally different for driving on two-lane, two-way roads. Generally, drivers on these roadways must stay in the right-hand lane and as close to the right-hand side of the lane as safely possible. And if other vehicles can't safely or lawfully pass, the slower driver might be required to pull to the side of the road at a safe turnout and allow the other cars to pass. Some states have laws that specify a slow-moving vehicle must pull over at the soonest safe pullout when five or more vehicles are formed in a line behind the vehicle.

+1

If people are backing up behind you, pull over for a minute and let them clear is safer for all.

[Toymeister]

What is extremely clear to me is most posters do not understand what the OP stated, nor has he come back to clarify.

The trikes, that's what three wheeled bicycles are called, were riding single file, one behind another. This is what the OPs post is about. They were not running a two lane blockade. Trikes are wider than bicycles, they are 36 to 42 inches wide. The trikes, which he is certainly speaking about, are tadpole recumbent trikes, low to the ground, peddles up front, one wheel in the rear. As the OP stated they were spaced far enough apart to not allow passing. Imagine two cement trucks which you want to pass in your car on a two lane road, if you feel that you can't pass both trucks you might pass one then later another. This is what the OP wanted to do.

Just as it is in your lifetime of driving experience, most drivers do not want to do this, or at least some do not. If that one person was the first driver then it slows the traffic. But only if there is not enough room to do so safely. As I have mentioned already if there is any exceptionally great place to pass in TV on a MMP it is where the OP described.

Back to the trikers, they're in single file they did not follow closely because trike or bikes do not have brake lights. Trikes are easily damaged if the most outward part (the boom to which is attached the crank) is struck by anything. In other words the rear triker did not want to hit the front triker if s/he stopped. That was a long explanation to say spacing makes absolute sense for two trikes.

Now why would two trikers not "allow" any cart to pass. Well any cart could do so if it was safe and if the cart drivers are proficient in operating a golf cart.

The trikers probably weren't aware of anything behind them. Trikes are extremely hard to mount a mirror on as they don't have handle bars. If they were aware of someone behind them why not pull over? My speculation is they know, as anyone who has operated a trike knows, trikes are extremely hard to start from grass. The drive wheel tends to spin and you simply do not have the leverage of standing on your peddles as a bike operator does. It is simply the body mechanics of recumbents. Most recumbents utilize shoe clips, your shoes, and thus your feet, are attached to the peddles, meaning you can't crab walk out of the grass.

Now of course this knowledge won't stop the vitriol of the obsessed bike haters on this thread but I hope it helps some.

[Woodbear]

I rode yesterday about 12 miles on the MMP, and part of it was all the way to the last turn around before the Brownwood bridge, on Meggison. Never once did I see an issue with carts having a problem passing when needed. I also didn’t see big groups of cyclists bunched up. They all seem to be spread out with wide gaps for passing. The largest group of cyclists I saw in the 12 miles was my group of six people. Most of my group averaged 18-20 miles an hour (we all have E-bikes) and we often had to pass carts going too slow. Btw, the trike in our group can do 29 miles an hour and no cart can keep up with him, so it’s not always the bikes slowing things up, since many are E-bikes these days.

That must be an E-Trike or one professional rider. The peloton in the Tour de France rides at ~29 mph on the flats. The best in a sprint may get near 40 mph.

[Bruce3055]

After my experience yesterday, I hope to never see posts how golf carts need to be more courteous to bicyclists. Here is 2 examples we had. Two, 3 wheeled bicyclist spaced just far enough apart, had traffic blocked all the way from the rotary off of the Waterlily bridge all the way to Brownwood parking lot. By the time we reached the Brownwood parking lot, there had to be at least 40 carts backed up and took almost 25 minutes. On our way back to St Catherine. there were 40-50 bicyclist approaching the tunnel that crossed over by the Waterlily bridge with well over 50 carts following that couldn't have been going 5 miles per hour. When bicyclists start to respect golf cart drivers, they can than earn the respect to them.

Not to mention that was the day of the Strawberry festival. I'll bet folks will have a field day complaining when the Mardi Gras festival takes place. And watch out for St Patricks day also

[OrangeBlossomBaby]

Not to mention that was the day of the Strawberry festival. I'll bet folks will have a field day complaining when the Mardi Gras festival takes place. And watch out for St Patricks day also

Maybe because many of those folks would prefer to actually attend those festivals, rather than spend the bulk of their time on the road trying to get there.

[Bill14564]

Not to mention that was the day of the Strawberry festival. I'll bet folks will have a field day complaining when the Mardi Gras festival takes place. And watch out for St Patricks day also

Mardi Gras was yesterday and so far not one peep....

[kcrazorbackfan]

To the spandex wearing pr*#k on a bike that yelled “a$$hole” to my wife today as she was passing him on a straightaway with no other cart coming and gave him plenty of space when she pulled back in, he can count his lucky stars that she didn’t stop and have a “come to Jesus” meeting with him.

Karma is a bi#ch.

[fdpaq0580]

To the spandex wearing pr*#k on a bike that yelled “a$$hole” to my wife today as she was passing him on a straightaway with no other cart coming and gave him plenty of space when she pulled back in, he can count his lucky stars that she didn’t stop and have a “come to Jesus” meeting with him.

Karma is a bi#ch.

Are you sure he was speaking to your wife? He may have a Bluetooth headset and was describing himself to his e-harmony date.
😏

[nn0wheremann]

Could they pull off the path for a minute to let the backed up carts go by???
A rowboat has right of way over a sailboat, a sailboat has right of way over a motor boat. A free balloon has right of way over a glider, which has right of way over an airplane. The concept is the slowest and least maneuverable vehicle has right of way over those mor capable. Pass carefully in the opposing lane, (Florida law specifies a number of feet of distance between your vehicle and the bicycle) or slow down and be patient.

[Bilyclub]

Mardi Gras was yesterday and so far not one peep....

I brought a car and had to park in the Creekside Landing Lot. The wife brought a cart and parked by Barnes and Noble. No problems getting in.