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Grill Meister
03-03-2022, 10:00 AM
I have tested with a pretty high IQ; however, I don't understand what is going on in the Ukrain and need someone to help me understand. I have a hearing problem and cannot understand most of the TV news and I have not read anything comprehensive in The Daily Sun or any other tribunal. Please straighten me out.

1) Putin - Has he given a public statement as to why and what he hopes to accomplish by sending in the military, bombing, destroying and killing so many thousand of Ukrainians? I realize that Ukrain was once part of the USSR before it broke up. Is this an ego trip for Putin to seek revenge....a power play? What does he accomplish with his military actions?

2) What is NATO and, especially, America doing about Putin's invasion. I understand that we and some NATO nations have imposed "sanctions" on Russia and I am told those sanctions have frozen Russia financial assets around the globe. So, is that a big deal? Sounds to me like a slap on the wrist: "Vladamir, you're a bad, bad boy. Go sit in the corner and think about what you did'? I hope, and more especially I pray :pray:, that this situation doesn't end up with WWIII. But how can we and other NATO nations stop this massacre without sending in our troops and have American life's lost? Or should we just stay the hell out of the situation?

3) If we or any other NATO nation sends in troops and goes head to head with Russia, will China join in with Russian forces against us.....how about North Korea or ISIS forces.

:pray::pray::pray::pray::pray:

Bogie Shooter
03-03-2022, 10:24 AM
For saying you don’t understand……you have it figured out.

courtyard
03-03-2022, 10:33 AM
I've read on "Censored News" that Putin is concerned about the bioweapon labs all over Ukraine that the US is funding and are leaking viruses too close to Russia's border. Also, he is helping two Ukrainian areas to break away from their Soros-funded government.

MDLNB
03-03-2022, 10:34 AM
Putin is a war criminal, period.
Putin is former KGB, old school communist and wants to rebuild the USSR. He enjoys the great narcissist feeling of supreme power.
When he is finally dealt with there will be a great sigh of relief from his own people as well as the rest of the world. Unfortunately, it appears that the rest of the world is going to sit back and watch as he destroys a whole country. Right now, he is killing more innocent civilians than military. Regardless of how this might or might not affect us, how can any decent country sit back and watch this repetition of what they did to the Ukraine in the past, when Russia took the Ukraine and starved thousands of citizens per day. Hopefully, the good Russian people will do what is right and rid themselves of the Putin disease.

MDLNB
03-03-2022, 10:37 AM
I've read on "Censored News" that Putin is concerned about the bioweapon labs all over Ukraine that the US is funding and are leaking viruses too close to Russia's border. Also, he is helping two Ukrainian areas to break away from their Soros-funded government.


Helping Ukraine by killing hundreds of civilians? "Soros funded?" Does that mean that we are next?

billethkid
03-03-2022, 10:40 AM
Open killing of civilians?
What else needs to be said?

VApeople
03-03-2022, 10:51 AM
Russia has been attacked three times by Western European countries - Napoleon (1814) and twice by Germany (1914 and 1941). Russia didn't like that.

After WW2, Stalin kept control of the Eastern European countries they had conquered because they provided a buffer against future Western European attacks. That led to 77 years of peace in Europe.

Over the years, some of the Eastern European countries got tired of being controlled by Russia, so they broke away and some even joined NATO. Russia didn't like that and wants them back under Russian control.

Spalumbos62
03-03-2022, 11:18 AM
Open killing of civilians?
What else needs to be said?

Remember when Hilary and all the others sat in the war room and watch them get bidladen....

One can only hope....

Stu from NYC
03-03-2022, 11:19 AM
Russia has been attacked three times by Western European countries - Napoleon (1814) and twice by Germany (1914 and 1941). Russia didn't like that.

After WW2, Stalin kept control of the Eastern European countries they had conquered because they provided a buffer against future Western European attacks. That led to 77 years of peace in Europe.

Over the years, some of the Eastern European countries got tired of being controlled by Russia, so they broke away and some even joined NATO. Russia didn't like that and wants them back under Russian control.

Not sure how the Russian people think about the above but you have summed up Putin very nicely.

Lindsyburnsy
03-03-2022, 11:40 AM
You can click on your remote, usually a red © for closed captioned. Then you can read it.

VApeople
03-03-2022, 12:32 PM
Not sure how the Russian people think about the above but you have summed up Putin very nicely.

Thanks.

And Ukraine just wants to be independent and make their own choices, which seems very reasonable.

However, there can be a problem if you border a very powerful, aggressive, imperialist country. Ask Mexicans how they feel about what we did to them in 1846.

golfing eagles
03-03-2022, 12:40 PM
Thanks.

And Ukraine just wants to be independent and make their own choices, which seems very reasonable.

However, there can be a problem if you border a very powerful, aggressive, imperialist country. Ask Mexicans how they feel about what we did to them in 1846.

I'll be sure to do that, next time I run into a Mexican that was there in 1846. Any questions I should ask next time I run into a Trojan or a Carthaginian?

VApeople
03-03-2022, 12:50 PM
I'll be sure to do that, next time I run into a Mexican that was there in 1846.

I bet even modern Mexicans can tell you what the United states did to them in 1846 and how it compares to what Russia is doing to Ukraine.

golfing eagles
03-03-2022, 12:52 PM
I bet even modern Mexicans can tell you what the United states did to them in 1846 and how it compares to what Russia is doing to Ukraine.

Too bad there aren't any modern Trojans or Carthaginians:1rotfl::1rotfl::1rotfl:

Stu from NYC
03-03-2022, 12:57 PM
Too bad there aren't any modern Trojans or Carthaginians:1rotfl::1rotfl::1rotfl:

My lawn guy claims he used Trojans and than you know what happened.

Chi-Town
03-03-2022, 01:25 PM
I bet even modern Mexicans can tell you what the United states did to them in 1846 and how it compares to what Russia is doing to Ukraine.

Let's hope that Ukraine can do what a ragtag group of Mexicans did to France in 1862 (Cinco de Mayo).

courtyard
03-03-2022, 01:54 PM
The "ragtag" group of Mexicans where really trained soldiers and they did defeat a company of French foreign legion soldiers, but Mexico remained under the control of the French for several years until 1865 when 50,000 American soldiers went to the border to enforce the Monroe Doctrine to tell the French to leave.

MrFlorida
03-03-2022, 02:19 PM
Check your pretty high IQ ? you misspelled Ukraine...

Bjeanj
03-03-2022, 02:19 PM
Interesting article providing some insight in Wall Street Journal that describes China’s reaction to Putin’s war on Ukraine. Right now, at least, is available without subscription.

China Declared Its Russia Friendship Had ‘No Limits.’ It’s Having Second Thoughts. - WSJ (https://www.wsj.com/articles/china-russia-xi-putin-ukraine-war-11646279098?page=1)

Bjeanj
03-03-2022, 02:21 PM
I've read on "Censored News" that Putin is concerned about the bioweapon labs all over Ukraine that the US is funding and are leaking viruses too close to Russia's border. Also, he is helping two Ukrainian areas to break away from their Soros-funded government.

I’m sorry, but that sounds like conspiracy theory crazy stories to me.

Rainger99
03-03-2022, 02:33 PM
[QUOTE=Grill Meister;2067775]I have tested with a pretty high IQ; however, I don't understand what is going on in the Ukrain and need someone to help me understand. I have a hearing problem and cannot understand most of the TV news and I have not read anything comprehensive in The Daily Sun or any other tribunal. Please straighten me out.

For a very short but detailed explanation, check out this YouTube video.

Gravitas Plus | Explained: The Russia-Ukraine crisis, Gravitas News | wionews.com (https://www.wionews.com/videos/gravitas-plus-explained-the-russia-ukraine-crisis-454859)

There are lots of other videos.

Gravitas News - Latest Gravitas News, Breaking Gravitas News, Gravitas News Headlines | wionews.com (https://www.wionews.com/gravitas)

JMintzer
03-03-2022, 04:39 PM
I've read on "Censored News" that Putin is concerned about the bioweapon labs all over Ukraine that the US is funding and are leaking viruses too close to Russia's border. Also, he is helping two Ukrainian areas to break away from their Soros-funded government.

Yeah, no...

New Englander
03-03-2022, 04:54 PM
Putin will go down in history with the same reputation as Hitler, Stalin, and Pol Pot.

Madelaine Amee
03-03-2022, 04:56 PM
Remember when Hilary and all the others sat in the war room and watch them get bidladen....

One can only hope....

Unfortunately, this is a very different situation. Bin Laden was in a poorly constructed compound, I would guess Putin is holed up in the Palace in Moscow surrounded by loyal henchmen who are prepared to die for him. Getting to him must be almost impossible and if we missed it would be a nuclear war. He appears to have lost all reason.

DAVES
03-03-2022, 05:09 PM
I have tested with a pretty high IQ; however, I don't understand what is going on in the Ukrain and need someone to help me understand. I have a hearing problem and cannot understand most of the TV news and I have not read anything comprehensive in The Daily Sun or any other tribunal. Please straighten me out.

1) Putin - Has he given a public statement as to why and what he hopes to accomplish by sending in the military, bombing, destroying and killing so many thousand of Ukrainians? I realize that Ukrain was once part of the USSR before it broke up. Is this an ego trip for Putin to seek revenge....a power play? What does he accomplish with his military actions?

2) What is NATO and, especially, America doing about Putin's invasion. I understand that we and some NATO nations have imposed "sanctions" on Russia and I am told those sanctions have frozen Russia financial assets around the globe. So, is that a big deal? Sounds to me like a slap on the wrist: "Vladamir, you're a bad, bad boy. Go sit in the corner and think about what you did'? I hope, and more especially I pray :pray:, that this situation doesn't end up with WWIII. But how can we and other NATO nations stop this massacre without sending in our troops and have American life's lost? Or should we just stay the hell out of the situation?

3) If we or any other NATO nation sends in troops and goes head to head with Russia, will China join in with Russian forces against us.....how about North Korea or ISIS forces.

:pray::pray::pray::pray::pray:

What is going on? Truth is we do not know. Typically of all news, it depends on who you ask. We are fed Putin THINKS, Putin's goal is. It is all simply speculation.

There is so much information and so many missing pieces.

My dad used to be with the news. My OPINION, so much of what we know or think we know is in reality theatrical presentations, further spun by bias. A simple example there is an auto accident. Involved are two drivers and 4 witnesses. In reality there will at least 6 different tales about what happened usually more than that. The REAL NEWS happens behind closed doors and in non-recorded communication.

My view is with Ukraine but while my forefathers came from Latvia, in that region I had to look at a map to know where Ukraine is. As I understand it under the Czars they were all part of Russia.

As far as Ukraine, as I see it without outside help they would have been crushed in hours. We object, I object to obvious targeting of civilians. History, civilians are always caught up in WAR. When did we cross the line is debatable-Sherman in our civil war? In our revolution civilians entered the battles, spied, made weapons etc etc.
WWII the germans bombed London, the Brits and Americans bombed German cities.
The US dropped the atomic bomb on civilians.

History-there is no shortage of books. If we had. If we had not. The war wouldn't have happened.

I have a strange view of most things. THIS IS WHERE WE ARE AND WHERE DO WE GO FROM HERE.

Putin is to his apparent surprise in an impossible position. How does this story end?
Putin reversing and pulling out of Ukraine with Russia paying for the damages he has caused-no chance. Putin resorting to nuclear war? Perhaps? The world escalating this sending American troops? Good chance of when they corner Putin he goes nuclear.

If, I was writing a novel, the only POSSIBLE BEST ENDING is if Putin either commits suicide or he is killed. The Russians have a long tradition of this. Poison had been popular.

WE including ME sit in our offices and post. Imagine if we had missals, bombs dropping around us and heavy armor surrounding us?.

jimbomaybe
03-03-2022, 07:33 PM
i'll be sure to do that, next time i run into a mexican that was there in 1846. Any questions i should ask next time i run into a trojan or a carthaginian?

lol

Topspinmo
03-03-2022, 07:59 PM
When bully wants something he takes it. Now holding one to it may be different story.

Topspinmo
03-03-2022, 08:01 PM
I'll be sure to do that, next time I run into a Mexican that was there in 1846. Any questions I should ask next time I run into a Trojan or a Carthaginian?

Also ask him how he got rid of all the local natives that was here before him?

Ken Nelson
03-03-2022, 08:39 PM
Truth is (my unpaid opinion), we do not know what Russia is up to. All media outlets are telling their scripts....We cannot help Ukraine without causing damage to their country (sanctions, blah)....from what I can see, they (Putin) are trying to put back what was lost in the cold war....or at least part of it.

gdennis317
03-03-2022, 09:34 PM
💩💩💩💩

Carpe Diem
03-03-2022, 11:05 PM
Best article about the war I read:

"This isn’t a war for Ukraine, it’s a war for the future of the entire world. Ukraine represents the hill both Davos and Russia have chosen to live or die on."

Luongo: Opening Salvos Thrown, What Are Putin'''s Next Steps In Ukraine? | ZeroHedge (https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/luongo-opening-salvos-thrown-what-are-putins-next-steps-ukraine)

triflex
03-03-2022, 11:09 PM
Zelensky is a corrupt little man in charge of a corrupt little country of kleptocrats. He was installed by a CIA backed coup under Obama.

Never forget, Zelensky will leave Ukraine a rich man. The entire country is corrupt including the judiciary.

NATO itself includes Turkey which is run by a dictator and oppresses its own people.

I will say they don't give sex changes to small children there though like the USA does here.

Two Bills
03-04-2022, 03:02 AM
Zelensky is a corrupt little man in charge of a corrupt little country of kleptocrats. He was installed by a CIA backed coup under Obama.

Never forget, Zelensky will leave Ukraine a rich man. The entire country is corrupt including the judiciary.

NATO itself includes Turkey which is run by a dictator and oppresses its own people.

I will say they don't give sex changes to small children there though like the USA does here.

:ohdear:

Zelenskyy was elected President of Ukraine on 21 April 2019!

Laker14
03-04-2022, 05:37 AM
Another thing I thought I'd never see in my lifetime. I thought we had this all figured out. I always wondered what was going through the heads of the British, French and Americans as Hitler invaded Poland. Of course, I was looking at it through the lens of history books, and movies and TV shows written and produced years after the Rise and Fall. It all makes so much more sense when you know how it all turns out.
Now, as an old man, I guess I am finding out how the rest of the world thinks and acts when an aggressive madman uses his military might to crush a weaker neighbor. We hope it all ends well enough, but we are so afraid (not unjustly so) of escalation that we hold back on the military action that essentially is the only language men like Hitler and Putin understand.

But, I also thought I'd never see a crowd of flag waving Americans break into the Capitol Building, stirred up by the words of a President who refused to acknowledge the results of an election. I am trying not to lose sleep wondering what the next "think I never thought I'd see" will be.

Worldseries27
03-04-2022, 06:08 AM
i have tested with a pretty high iq; however, i don't understand what is going on in the ukrain and need someone to help me understand. I have a hearing problem and cannot understand most of the tv news and i have not read anything comprehensive in the daily sun or any other tribunal. Please straighten me out.

1) putin - has he given a public statement as to why and what he hopes to accomplish by sending in the military, bombing, destroying and killing so many thousand of ukrainians? I realize that ukrain was once part of the ussr before it broke up. Is this an ego trip for putin to seek revenge....a power play? What does he accomplish with his military actions?

2) what is nato and, especially, america doing about putin's invasion. I understand that we and some nato nations have imposed "sanctions" on russia and i am told those sanctions have frozen russia financial assets around the globe. So, is that a big deal? Sounds to me like a slap on the wrist: "vladamir, you're a bad, bad boy. Go sit in the corner and think about what you did'? I hope, and more especially i pray :pray:, that this situation doesn't end up with wwiii. But how can we and other nato nations stop this massacre without sending in our troops and have american life's lost? Or should we just stay the hell out of the situation?

3) if we or any other nato nation sends in troops and goes head to head with russia, will china join in with russian forces against us.....how about north korea or isis forces.

:pray::pray::pray::pray::pray:
the evil empire never left .i agree with prayer

Worldseries27
03-04-2022, 06:10 AM
i have tested with a pretty high iq; however, i don't understand what is going on in the ukrain and need someone to help me understand. I have a hearing problem and cannot understand most of the tv news and i have not read anything comprehensive in the daily sun or any other tribunal. Please straighten me out.

1) putin - has he given a public statement as to why and what he hopes to accomplish by sending in the military, bombing, destroying and killing so many thousand of ukrainians? I realize that ukrain was once part of the ussr before it broke up. Is this an ego trip for putin to seek revenge....a power play? What does he accomplish with his military actions?

2) what is nato and, especially, america doing about putin's invasion. I understand that we and some nato nations have imposed "sanctions" on russia and i am told those sanctions have frozen russia financial assets around the globe. So, is that a big deal? Sounds to me like a slap on the wrist: "vladamir, you're a bad, bad boy. Go sit in the corner and think about what you did'? I hope, and more especially i pray :pray:, that this situation doesn't end up with wwiii. But how can we and other nato nations stop this massacre without sending in our troops and have american life's lost? Or should we just stay the hell out of the situation?

3) if we or any other nato nation sends in troops and goes head to head with russia, will china join in with russian forces against us.....how about north korea or isis forces.

:pray::pray::pray::pray::pray:
i agree with prayer
the evil empire never left.

GeriS
03-04-2022, 06:17 AM
Putin is cleaning out the deep state in Ukraine which is one of the most corrupt countries. He is cleaning out the bioweapon labs put there by the US. It is the Ukrainians who are harming their own people, not Putin. Taiwan will be next since they have bioweapon labs there also.

36Aday
03-04-2022, 06:30 AM
Putin wants his legacy to be that he put the USSR back together.

MDLNB
03-04-2022, 06:34 AM
Putin is cleaning out the deep state in Ukraine which is one of the most corrupt countries. He is cleaning out the bioweapon labs put there by the US. It is the Ukrainians who are harming their own people, not Putin. Taiwan will be next since they have bioweapon labs there also.


Yes, because ALL countries that do not conform must have "bioweapon labs there also." :1rotfl::1rotfl::1rotfl:


Of course, it is NOT because Putin is a bully, maniac. He is a true patriot and saint, just trying to make the world a better place...:1rotfl::1rotfl::1rotfl:

me4vt
03-04-2022, 06:53 AM
IQ means nothing, (Common Sense) is needed 100 times over IQ!! So saying You have a High IQ, doesn’t flatter me!

Sandy and Ed
03-04-2022, 07:03 AM
I'll be sure to do that, next time I run into a Mexican that was there in 1846. Any questions I should ask next time I run into a Trojan or a Carthaginian?
Well said. Gee imagine what this “aggressive imperialist” country of ours could have done if it wanted to. God bless America!! We are trying to avert wars not cause them.

me4vt
03-04-2022, 07:03 AM
IQ means nothing, (Common Sense) is needed 100 times over IQ!! So saying You have a High IQ, doesn’t flatter me! Putin is on a roll and needs Stopped in his tracks at all cost…. How Christian nations can set back and watch this play out and do nothing, is beyond my imagination! Death is certain for all but, being afraid to step up and kick Putin’s ass as one World against Two Bullying countries, is the Saddest of man kind!

Speedie
03-04-2022, 07:19 AM
Remember when Hilary and all the others sat in the war room and watch them get bidladen....

One can only hope....

Hope not

Speedie
03-04-2022, 07:26 AM
https://youtu.be/HuDsUV44h10

Direct from the VP. Dis explain de whole ting

Great accent too

skarra
03-04-2022, 07:28 AM
This will explain it all for you, including what to expect from China in the future -

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JrMiSQAGOS4&t=363s

Turn on the closed captioning for hard of hearing, but he has some slides as well to make it easier to follow.

kenoc7
03-04-2022, 07:32 AM
The best political satire I've read for a long time except for Borowitz in WaPo.

paquino
03-04-2022, 07:43 AM
Do you ever complain about “fake news”?

paquino
03-04-2022, 07:45 AM
Is there any kool-aid left?

irishwonone
03-04-2022, 07:49 AM
Check your pretty high IQ ? you misspelled Ukraine...
That’s the 1846 spelling 😂

DaleDivine
03-04-2022, 08:12 AM
That’s the 1846 spelling 😂

:clap2::clap2::popcorn:

MidWestIA
03-04-2022, 08:19 AM
you should get a refund on that iq test

Lindsyburnsy
03-04-2022, 08:20 AM
Here we go with conspiracy theory “news”. Just stop already. Fringe news is fake news. I've read on "Censored News" that Putin is concerned about the bioweapon labs all over Ukraine that the US is funding and are leaking viruses too close to Russia's border. Also, he is helping two Ukrainian areas to break away from their Soros-funded government.

Proveone
03-04-2022, 08:21 AM
I've read on "Censored News" that Putin is concerned about the bioweapon labs all over Ukraine that the US is funding and are leaking viruses too close to Russia's border. Also, he is helping two Ukrainian areas to break away from their Soros-funded government.
You read on "Censored News". Another QAnon conspiracy? Come on, get real. Putin doesn't like that Ukraine is a democracy and he is worried that it will spread to Russia.

JanetMM
03-04-2022, 08:24 AM
Another thing I thought I'd never see in my lifetime. I thought we had this all figured out. I always wondered what was going through the heads of the British, French and Americans as Hitler invaded Poland. Of course, I was looking at it through the lens of history books, and movies and TV shows written and produced years after the Rise and Fall. It all makes so much more sense when you know how it all turns out.
Now, as an old man, I guess I am finding out how the rest of the world thinks and acts when an aggressive madman uses his military might to crush a weaker neighbor. We hope it all ends well enough, but we are so afraid (not unjustly so) of escalation that we hold back on the military action that essentially is the only language men like Hitler and Putin understand.

But, I also thought I'd never see a crowd of flag waving Americans break into the Capitol Building, stirred up by the words of a President who refused to acknowledge the results of an election. I am trying not to lose sleep wondering what the next "think I never thought I'd see" will be.

Thanks for mentioning Hitler and Poland.

After the Ukraine, where will Putin head next? Hitler didn’t stop in Poland. If we haven’t learned from history, are we doomed to repeat it?

MDLNB
03-04-2022, 08:37 AM
Why are Ukrainians fighting Russia? Perhaps they remember the time in the '30's when Russia confiscated Ukraine's food storage which caused MILLIONS of Ukrainian deaths from starvation. Some call it genocide. Maybe they do not wish to be part of Putin's rebuild of the communist Soviet Union.
The whole world should be supporting the Ukraine, regardless of their not being members of NATO.
Putin is a war criminal, period.

Ktygrett
03-04-2022, 08:43 AM
Then you should take a long vacation to Russia

jmpalladino
03-04-2022, 08:54 AM
Check your pretty high IQ ? you misspelled Ukraine...

IQ has no correlation with how one spells. One should know the facts before writing, but then there would be very little on this site if that was the case.

tvbound
03-04-2022, 08:55 AM
Until recently, almost all decent American patriots condemned what Putin did/said and recognized that he was evil personified. Now, we seem to have those who at a minimum equivocate, if not outright support and make excuses for the madman. Gee, I wonder how that happened?

tvbound
03-04-2022, 09:02 AM
:ohdear:

Zelenskyy was elected President of Ukraine on 21 April 2019!

If crazy conspiracy theories that not-too-bright people actually believe weren't so destructive and divisive - they would be laughable. :(

Bpduffey
03-04-2022, 09:03 AM
Nothing is as simple as people think or say. As well as my explanation.
Russia/ Putin, want to take Ukraine back into it old collection of countries. Putin has been saying that NATO is the aggressor. Ukraine wants to be part of NATO. That would put NATO on the border of Russia. Putin doesn't like that. Putin has been making claims of atrocities in Ukraine against Russians living in Ukraine.
Short and not so sweet version. I'm sure it is much more complicated.
NATO countries are only doing sanctions. One American is sending one million rounds of amo. A Russian oligarch put a one million bounty on Putin's head dead or alive.
In my opinion it is an unjustified attack and more should be done.

Taltarzac725
03-04-2022, 09:35 AM
UN Human Rights Council Approves Investigation Of Russian Violations In Ukraine (https://www.rferl.org/a/russia-ukraine-un-human-rights-council/31735978.html)

Appalling on Putin's part.

OhioBuckeye
03-04-2022, 09:37 AM
I think Putin thinks he is the #1 Super Power & dating any country to help Ukraine. So far the poor Ukraine people are defending themselves. Hope the sanctions work but so far Putin is calling it a bluff.

haysus7
03-04-2022, 09:37 AM
Red Fox News?

Rolson08
03-04-2022, 10:18 AM
Ukraine ranks:
1st in Europe in proven recoverable reserves of uranium ores;
2nd place in Europe and 10th place in the world in terms of titanium ore reserves;
2nd place in the world in terms of explored reserves of manganese ores (2.3 billion tons, or 12% of the world's reserves);
2nd largest iron ore reserves in the world (30 billion tons);
2nd place in Europe in terms of mercury ore reserves;
3rd place in Europe (13th place in the world) in shale gas reserves (22 trillion cubic meters)
4th in the world by the total value of natural resources;
7th place in the world in coal reserves (33.9 billion tons)

Ukraine is an important agricultural country:

1st in Europe in terms of arable land area;
3rd place in the world by the area of black soil (25% of world's volume);
1st place in the world in exports of sunflower and sunflower oil;
2nd place in the world in barley production and 4th place in barley exports;
3rd largest producer and 4th largest exporter of corn in the world;
4th largest producer of potatoes in the world;
5th largest rye producer in the world;
5th place in the world in bee production (75,000 tons);
8th place in the world in wheat exports;
9th place in the world in the production of chicken eggs;
16th place in the world in cheese exports.

Ukraine can meet the food needs of 600 million people.

Ukraine is an important industrialized country:

1st in Europe in ammonia production;
Europe's 2nd’s and the world’s 4th largest natural gas pipeline system;
3rd largest in Europe and 8th largest in the world in terms of installed capacity of nuclear power plants;
3rd place in Europe and 11th in the world in terms of rail network length (21,700 km);
3rd place in the world (after the U.S. and France) in production of locators and locating equipment;
3rd largest iron exporter in the world
4th largest exporter of turbines for nuclear power plants in the world;
4th world's largest manufacturer of rocket launchers;
4th place in the world in clay exports
4th place in the world in titanium exports
8th place in the world in exports of ores and concentrates;
9th place in the world in exports of defense industry products;
10th largest steel producer in the world (32.4 million tons).

Ukraine matters. That is why its independence is important to the rest of the world.

nhtexasrn
03-04-2022, 10:26 AM
[QUOTE=VApeople;2067845]Thanks.

And Ukraine just wants to be independent and make their own choices, which seems very reasonable.

However, there can be a problem if you border a very powerful, aggressive, imperialist country. Ask Mexicans how they feel about what we did to them in 1846.[/QUOTE

It was a lot more complicated that mean ole US and poor helpless Mexico.

Stu from NYC
03-04-2022, 10:26 AM
Putin is cleaning out the deep state in Ukraine which is one of the most corrupt countries. He is cleaning out the bioweapon labs put there by the US. It is the Ukrainians who are harming their own people, not Putin. Taiwan will be next since they have bioweapon labs there also.

Hmm what have you been smoking?

Number 10 GI
03-04-2022, 10:26 AM
https://youtu.be/HuDsUV44h10

Direct from the VP. Dis explain de whole ting

Great accent too

She made such an in depth and concise explanation. :1rotfl::1rotfl::1rotfl:

Geodyssey
03-04-2022, 10:42 AM
Putin will go down in history with the same reputation as Hitler, Stalin, and Pol Pot.

Ukraine has actual Na%is in their military.

Avov Battalion.

Geodyssey
03-04-2022, 10:47 AM
Hmm what have you been smoking?

This is correct. Everyove should check out Ukraine's "Azov Battalion" Even Wikipedia doesn't hide it. Azov Battalion uses Na%zi WW2 SS & other symbols proudly- right now.

Ukraine army executed an Israeli Jewish civilian a few days ago. Pulled him out of a car at acheckpoint and shot him.

Even the Times of Israel had the story. I won't provide a link. People need to do their own research and stop believing Drudge & Maddow, who now have the same swampy talking points.

Geodyssey
03-04-2022, 10:56 AM
Ukraine is advertising for mercenries to come fight.

Who here would reccomend their grandkids or kids go to fight some place most Americans can't find on a map?

Keyboard couch warriors...

Eastern Ukraine is Russian, 90 percent of the people are ethnic Russians. The areas were "gifted" to Ukraine SSR by Stalin in 1922.

Why is the US backing Soviet shifting lines on a map? People make a nation.

Russia will defend Russians. Too bad Biden won't protect Americans (rampant crime, open borders, etc)

Bottom line- why is any of this the business of America?

Two Bills
03-04-2022, 11:00 AM
One has to wonder if the Putin apologists on TOTV are in fact, plants from the 'Evil Empire!'

Joe C.
03-04-2022, 11:05 AM
Lots of truth and lies in the news and on television. There is so much propaganda on both sides that try to stir the masses in their wanted direction. So it takes an intelligent mind and a grain of salt to get too emotional or angry. Civilian deaths in a war are always present. Every nation that has been at war has killed innocent civilians. We did it in Dresden, Germany and when we firebombed Tokyo in WW II.
I saw a news clip where a Russian missile hit the Ukranian Parliament building. I saw the same clip on another news channel while they were talking about damage to a children's hospital. One was real and one was propaganda. Listen, and take it slow.

Geodyssey
03-04-2022, 11:11 AM
One has to wonder if the Putin apologists on TOTV are in fact, plants from the 'Evil Empire!'

Ukraine's Avov Battalion:
Azov Battalion - Wikipedia (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Azov_Battalion)

"neo-N%zi unit of the National Guard of Ukraine.."

----------------

People should stop and ask themselves "why are Americans backing actual N%zis?"

triflex
03-04-2022, 11:27 AM
90,000 Ukrainians joined the Nazi SS and last year (2021) Ukrainians across the country celebrated the Nazi SS soldiers.

NATO today has Turkey as a member which oppresses its own people and is run by a de facto dictator.

The US has no business being involved in NATO.

Annie66
03-04-2022, 11:49 AM
Ukraine ranks:
1st in Europe in proven recoverable reserves of uranium ores;
2nd place in Europe and 10th place in the world in terms of titanium ore reserves;
2nd place in the world in terms of explored reserves of manganese ores (2.3 billion tons, or 12% of the world's reserves);
2nd largest iron ore reserves in the world (30 billion tons);
2nd place in Europe in terms of mercury ore reserves;
3rd place in Europe (13th place in the world) in shale gas reserves (22 trillion cubic meters)
4th in the world by the total value of natural resources;
7th place in the world in coal reserves (33.9 billion tons)

Ukraine is an important agricultural country:

1st in Europe in terms of arable land area;
3rd place in the world by the area of black soil (25% of world's volume);
1st place in the world in exports of sunflower and sunflower oil;
2nd place in the world in barley production and 4th place in barley exports;
3rd largest producer and 4th largest exporter of corn in the world;
4th largest producer of potatoes in the world;
5th largest rye producer in the world;
5th place in the world in bee production (75,000 tons);
8th place in the world in wheat exports;
9th place in the world in the production of chicken eggs;
16th place in the world in cheese exports.

Ukraine can meet the food needs of 600 million people.

Ukraine is an important industrialized country:

1st in Europe in ammonia production;
Europe's 2nd’s and the world’s 4th largest natural gas pipeline system;
3rd largest in Europe and 8th largest in the world in terms of installed capacity of nuclear power plants;
3rd place in Europe and 11th in the world in terms of rail network length (21,700 km);
3rd place in the world (after the U.S. and France) in production of locators and locating equipment;
3rd largest iron exporter in the world
4th largest exporter of turbines for nuclear power plants in the world;
4th world's largest manufacturer of rocket launchers;
4th place in the world in clay exports
4th place in the world in titanium exports
8th place in the world in exports of ores and concentrates;
9th place in the world in exports of defense industry products;
10th largest steel producer in the world (32.4 million tons).

Ukraine matters. That is why its independence is important to the rest of the world.

In addition, Ukraine was moving towards becoming a NATO country which was crossing the line that Putin could not accept.

skyking
03-04-2022, 11:55 AM
https://youtu.be/HuDsUV44h10[/IMG]

Two Bills
03-04-2022, 11:57 AM
'I am Mr McAdams':

This is a Funny interview on Indian tv today, where the shows host goes on a rant about Ukraine to the wrong guy.
Interviewers face at the end is classic!

'''I am Mr McAdams''': TV anchor Rahul Shivshankar yells at wrong man on Ukraine live - BBC News (https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-asia-india-60614274)

Bogie Shooter
03-04-2022, 12:05 PM
Ukraine is advertising for mercenries to come fight.

Who here would reccomend their grandkids or kids go to fight some place most Americans can't find on a map?

Keyboard couch warriors...

Eastern Ukraine is Russian, 90 percent of the people are ethnic Russians. The areas were "gifted" to Ukraine SSR by Stalin in 1922.

Why is the US backing Soviet shifting lines on a map? People make a nation.

Russia will defend Russians. Too bad Biden won't protect Americans (rampant crime, open borders, etc)

Bottom line- why is any of this the business of America?

How about those guys so wanting to fight on Jan. 6. Brave souls that they think they are. Send them all to the war.

triflex
03-04-2022, 12:16 PM
There is a Russian citizen who has a channel on YouTube named "Baklykov.Live" who has been around a long time on YouTube. He's in St Petersburg and explains the crimes of the Ukrainians against ethnic Russians. He's just one guy in Russia and certainly doesn't seem to care what the outside world thinks of him.

Apparently Ukrainian fighters are using civilians as human shields.

Zelensky is probably checking his long-term Swiss bank account to see how much he's klepto'd out of the country. I hear he's already fled Ukraine for the US Embassy in Poland (better Internet for checking the Swiss accounts).

tvbound
03-04-2022, 12:24 PM
One has to wonder if the Putin apologists on TOTV are in fact, plants from the 'Evil Empire!'

Given some of the outrageous statements/lies and obvious 'Putin fanboy' posts, have been thinking the same thing. While highly unlikely, given that TOTV is so small, there's no question that some people - definitely need to change channels.

MDLNB
03-04-2022, 12:25 PM
There is a Russian citizen who has a channel on YouTube named "Baklykov.Live" who has been around a long time on YouTube. He's in St Petersburg and explains the crimes of the Ukrainians against ethnic Russians. He's just one guy in Russia and certainly doesn't seem to care what the outside world thinks of him.

Apparently Ukrainian fighters are using civilians as human shields.


I really hope you do not believe that garbage.

MDLNB
03-04-2022, 12:27 PM
How about those guys so wanting to fight on Jan. 6. Brave souls that they think they are. Send them all to the war.


I don't believe that unarmed protests is criteria for armed combat.

tvbound
03-04-2022, 12:28 PM
How about those guys so wanting to fight on Jan. 6. Brave souls that they think they are. Send them all to the war.

The problem with that, is Putin already has enough soldiers and doesn't need any more.

MDLNB
03-04-2022, 12:28 PM
Ukraine ranks:
1st in Europe in proven recoverable reserves of uranium ores;
2nd place in Europe and 10th place in the world in terms of titanium ore reserves;
2nd place in the world in terms of explored reserves of manganese ores (2.3 billion tons, or 12% of the world's reserves);
2nd largest iron ore reserves in the world (30 billion tons);
2nd place in Europe in terms of mercury ore reserves;
3rd place in Europe (13th place in the world) in shale gas reserves (22 trillion cubic meters)
4th in the world by the total value of natural resources;
7th place in the world in coal reserves (33.9 billion tons)

Ukraine is an important agricultural country:

1st in Europe in terms of arable land area;
3rd place in the world by the area of black soil (25% of world's volume);
1st place in the world in exports of sunflower and sunflower oil;
2nd place in the world in barley production and 4th place in barley exports;
3rd largest producer and 4th largest exporter of corn in the world;
4th largest producer of potatoes in the world;
5th largest rye producer in the world;
5th place in the world in bee production (75,000 tons);
8th place in the world in wheat exports;
9th place in the world in the production of chicken eggs;
16th place in the world in cheese exports.

Ukraine can meet the food needs of 600 million people.

Ukraine is an important industrialized country:

1st in Europe in ammonia production;
Europe's 2nd’s and the world’s 4th largest natural gas pipeline system;
3rd largest in Europe and 8th largest in the world in terms of installed capacity of nuclear power plants;
3rd place in Europe and 11th in the world in terms of rail network length (21,700 km);
3rd place in the world (after the U.S. and France) in production of locators and locating equipment;
3rd largest iron exporter in the world
4th largest exporter of turbines for nuclear power plants in the world;
4th world's largest manufacturer of rocket launchers;
4th place in the world in clay exports
4th place in the world in titanium exports
8th place in the world in exports of ores and concentrates;
9th place in the world in exports of defense industry products;
10th largest steel producer in the world (32.4 million tons).

Ukraine matters. That is why its independence is important to the rest of the world.


If accurate, this is excellent information! Thanks

triflex
03-04-2022, 12:30 PM
I really hope you do not believe that garbage.

The EU Council on Foreign Relations issued a report in 2018 that specifically said Ukraine is a kleptocracy.

Ukraine on the brink of kleptocracy – European Council on Foreign Relations (https://ecfr.eu/article/commentary_ukraine_on_the_brink_of_kleptocracy/)

There is no debate the Ukrainians have been waging war against their own citizens close to Russia.

tvbound
03-04-2022, 12:34 PM
I don't believe that unarmed protests is criteria for armed combat.

Don't underestimate the power of a shared goal though, that being destroying our democracy from within and spitting on our Constitution.

tvbound
03-04-2022, 12:39 PM
The EU Council on Foreign Relations issued a report in 2018 that specifically said Ukraine is a kleptocracy.

Ukraine on the brink of kleptocracy – European Council on Foreign Relations (/article/commentary_ukraine_on_the_brink_of_kleptocracy/)

There is no debate the Ukrainians have been waging war against their own citizens close to Russia.

The first clue to a factual accounting of history, is the year of the report and who was running Ukraine at the time. The second clue is...well, Google is your friend.

Bogie Shooter
03-04-2022, 12:43 PM
I don't believe that unarmed protests is criteria for armed combat.

Just send the armed ones then………

Bogie Shooter
03-04-2022, 12:44 PM
The problem with that, is Putin already has enough soldiers and doesn't need any more.

Somehow got to replace the ones that are laying down their arms………

triflex
03-04-2022, 12:47 PM
The first clue to a factual accounting of history, is the year of the report and who was running Ukraine at the time. The second clue is...well, Google is your friend.

Rumor has it that Zelensky is in the US Embassy in Poland. I will be surprised if he doesn't end up in the US mysteriously buying a huge mansion somewhere.

Geodyssey
03-04-2022, 12:47 PM
Given some of the outrageous statements/lies and obvious 'Putin fanboy' posts, have been thinking the same thing. While highly unlikely, given that TOTV is so small, there's no question that some people - definitely need to change channels.

Fact or fiction?

Azov Battalion - Wikipedia (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Azov_Battalion)

"neo-N%zi unit of the National Guard of Ukraine"

The National Guard is part of the Ukraine government.

Stu from NYC
03-04-2022, 01:14 PM
Rumor has it that Zelensky is in the US Embassy in Poland. I will be surprised if he doesn't end up in the US mysteriously buying a huge mansion somewhere.

Do you actually believe this? If so have a gently used bridge for sale at a great price.

TSO/ISPF
03-04-2022, 01:30 PM
I've read on "Censored News" that Putin is concerned about the bioweapon labs all over Ukraine that the US is funding and are leaking viruses too close to Russia's border. Also, he is helping two Ukrainian areas to break away from their Soros-funded government.

I thought it was due to Nazi's and drug addicts running the country. Either way, go Valdimir. (SATIRE)

How about somebody collects on the million dollar bounty on Putin.

eclairela
03-04-2022, 01:57 PM
Load of BS.

itzfun
03-04-2022, 02:25 PM
I have tested with a pretty high IQ; however, I don't understand what is going on in the Ukrain and need someone to help me understand. I have a hearing problem and cannot understand most of the TV news and I have not read anything comprehensive in The Daily Sun or any other tribunal. Please straighten me out.

1) Putin - Has he given a public statement as to why and what he hopes to accomplish by sending in the military, bombing, destroying and killing so many thousand of Ukrainians? I realize that Ukrain was once part of the USSR before it broke up. Is this an ego trip for Putin to seek revenge....a power play? What does he accomplish with his military actions?

2) What is NATO and, especially, America doing about Putin's invasion. I understand that we and some NATO nations have imposed "sanctions" on Russia and I am told those sanctions have frozen Russia financial assets around the globe. So, is that a big deal? Sounds to me like a slap on the wrist: "Vladamir, you're a bad, bad boy. Go sit in the corner and think about what you did'? I hope, and more especially I pray :pray:, that this situation doesn't end up with WWIII. But how can we and other NATO nations stop this massacre without sending in our troops and have American life's lost? Or should we just stay the hell out of the situation?

3) If we or any other NATO nation sends in troops and goes head to head with Russia, will China join in with Russian forces against us.....how about North Korea or ISIS forces.

:pray::pray::pray::pray::pray:

This will explain all in 37 minutes. Mel K & Acclaimed Journalist Benjamin Fulford On Todays Geopolitical Moves & Countermoves 3-1-22 (https://www.bitchute.com/video/MZ4sqQXMj99s/)

waterflower
03-04-2022, 02:43 PM
The deep state is being cleaned out. Bioweapons labs, uranium1, child trafficking, adrenachrome rituals, etc. Look at the foreign aid that has been sent to this country & why. Follow the money. Bye bye deep state.

jdulej
03-04-2022, 02:50 PM
You can alway tell when the morning drinkers start posting. I wonder if they ever reread their posts when sober?,

Two Bills
03-04-2022, 03:00 PM
The deep state is being cleaned out. Bioweapons labs, uranium1, child trafficking, adrenachrome rituals, etc. Look at the foreign aid that has been sent to this country & why. Follow the money. Bye bye deep state.

:ohdear:
.....you forgot the pizza!

jimjamuser
03-04-2022, 03:18 PM
I've read on "Censored News" that Putin is concerned about the bioweapon labs all over Ukraine that the US is funding and are leaking viruses too close to Russia's border. Also, he is helping two Ukrainian areas to break away from their Soros-funded government.
Strange. I have not heard or read anything even CLOSE to that.

triflex
03-04-2022, 03:36 PM
There is a certain Big Guy who will miss his Ukrainian money be laundered into his bank account.

Aloha1
03-04-2022, 07:15 PM
WHAT???? Where are you getting your news from? RT?

Aloha1
03-04-2022, 07:20 PM
Zelensky is a corrupt little man in charge of a corrupt little country of kleptocrats. He was installed by a CIA backed coup under Obama.

Never forget, Zelensky will leave Ukraine a rich man. The entire country is corrupt including the judiciary.

NATO itself includes Turkey which is run by a dictator and oppresses its own people.

I will say they don't give sex changes to small children there though like the USA does here.

You have got to be kidding me. It is amazing what some people can believe.

noslices1
03-04-2022, 07:42 PM
I’m surprised that Zelinskyy hasn’t sent some planes into Russia to bomb the Kremlin . What’s good for the goose…..(you know)

OrangeBlossomBaby
03-04-2022, 07:52 PM
This is correct. Everyove should check out Ukraine's "Azov Battalion" Even Wikipedia doesn't hide it. Azov Battalion uses Na%zi WW2 SS & other symbols proudly- right now.

Ukraine army executed an Israeli Jewish civilian a few days ago. Pulled him out of a car at acheckpoint and shot him.

Even the Times of Israel had the story. I won't provide a link. People need to do their own research and stop believing Drudge & Maddow, who now have the same swampy talking points.

I just did a search for "ukraine army execute israeli" and got nothing. I did, however, learn that the President of Ukraine, Volodymyr Zelensky, is Jewish.

OrangeBlossomBaby
03-04-2022, 07:54 PM
:ohdear:
.....you forgot the pizza!

and Jewish space lasers, and the camera and recording device in your microwave oven, and the microchip in your vaccine.

Bjeanj
03-04-2022, 10:00 PM
Rumor has it that Zelensky is in the US Embassy in Poland. I will be surprised if he doesn't end up in the US mysteriously buying a huge mansion somewhere.

Where do you find this … c**p?? Do you actually buy into this? I’m worried for you. Or are you just trying to stir the pot? Either way, you’re reading the wrong things. You need to practice some critical thinking.

thecinks1@gmail.com
03-05-2022, 06:06 AM
Good grief! Surely you jest!

bowlingal
03-05-2022, 06:56 AM
It is Ukraine with an "e"

Ele201
03-05-2022, 07:21 AM
I have tested with a pretty high IQ; however, I don't understand what is going on in the Ukrain and need someone to help me understand. I have a hearing problem and cannot understand most of the TV news and I have not read anything comprehensive in The Daily Sun or any other tribunal. Please straighten me out.

1) Putin - Has he given a public statement as to why and what he hopes to accomplish by sending in the military, bombing, destroying and killing so many thousand of Ukrainians? I realize that Ukrain was once part of the USSR before it broke up. Is this an ego trip for Putin to seek revenge....a power play? What does he accomplish with his military actions?

2) What is NATO and, especially, America doing about Putin's invasion. I understand that we and some NATO nations have imposed "sanctions" on Russia and I am told those sanctions have frozen Russia financial assets around the globe. So, is that a big deal? Sounds to me like a slap on the wrist: "Vladamir, you're a bad, bad boy. Go sit in the corner and think about what you did'? I hope, and more especially I pray :pray:, that this situation doesn't end up with WWIII. But how can we and other NATO nations stop this massacre without sending in our troops and have American life's lost? Or should we just stay the hell out of the situation?

3) If we or any other NATO nation sends in troops and goes head to head with Russia, will China join in with Russian forces against us.....how about North Korea or ISIS forces.

:pray::pray::pray::pray::pray: You have a good understanding of the invasion. Your third and last point is important and I would add: We do have to be careful to what extent the US should get involved in pushing back on the Russian invasion. I do think if we went in to fight them, possibly China could get involved. Then what about Iran, would they step in to help Russia? It’s not a stretch to say this could evolve into an international war.

So Biden is right to be cautious. Would Russia retaliate with cyberspace crimes? That’s possible. There was some concern that Russia was meddling in our elections. So that tells me they could do something worse than that if we directly opposed them.

And I’m with you on Praying for the Ukrainian people. They have to suddenly flee their own country, imagine how terrible that is. So sad for the children, especially.

VApeople
03-05-2022, 07:50 AM
With all of the trouble in Ukraine, I decided to re-read one of my favorite books "The Guns of August" written by Barbara Tuchman. She describes what was happening in Europe before World War One broke out in August 1914.

She mentions a book "The Grand Illusion" published in 1910 that put forth the idea that there would never be a terrible world war because the economies of the European countries were so intertwined that every country would suffer too much.

That is kind of how we feel now about a nuclear war. To most of us, a war with nuclear weapons in unthinkable because everyone would lose so much. However, knowing what stupid things we humans can do, I don't know what to expect. I guess we all have the same fears.

Bogie Shooter
03-05-2022, 08:15 AM
I hope Russia absolutely destroys that corrupt little country. I want a nail in the coffin of NATO once and for all. Totally sick and tired of US politicians constantly on the prowl for places to turn our young people into cannon fodder. Ef'em.

Zelensky almost certainly has a Swiss account - he will be fine.

You should consider yourself lucky you live in a free democracy.