NY Times long opinion article on The Villages!!!

[Karadad]

Opinion | At '''the Villages,''' the Party Never Ends for Boomers - The New York Times (https://www.nytimes.com/2022/03/03/opinion/florida-the-villages.html)

[manaboutown]

Paywall.

[Mortal1]

It's an OPINION...with over 100k people opinions are as numerous as the grains of sand in a sandbox.

[Bogie Shooter]

Not a hatchet job.

[Stu from NYC]

Darn would have liked to read it but NYT will not get a dime from me.

[JSR22]

Not a hatchet job.

Very nice article and well written.

[vb993]

Here it is.

[Caymus]

As impartial as any Times "article"

[BrianL99]

Here it is.
I could not get the article to load, unfortunately.

[Babubhat]

Nyt and wapo are useless rags

[HapEvillager]

I went on the web NYT.com and then Disney for Boomers and pulled it up. Essay pretty much sums it up, the good and the ugly.

[Velvet]

An interesting but biased article. Pretty gentle for the Times, in my opinion.

[affald]

Here it is.

Thank you. Would Never give them a dime. A horrible hit piece by an evil organization that was instrumental in the current suffering in the world.

[Worldseries27]

darn would have liked to read it but nyt will not get a dime from me.
i agree with you 100⁹⁹⁹⁹⁹⁹⁹⁹⁹⁹⁹⁹%
furthermore, have shut down shows on all networks that have gone woke.
Their ratings algorithms can pinpoint when historical viewers tuned out even to the moment a sentence was uttered that offended the viewer. Sort of like the audience walking out of a speech or movie
that hurts them with their advertising revenue streams and will hasten correction in the viewing market.

[Worldseries27]

I agree with you 100⁹⁹⁹⁹⁹⁹⁹⁹⁹⁹⁹⁹%
furthermore, have shut down shows on all networks that have gone woke.
Their ratings algorithms can pinpoint when historical viewers tuned out even to the moment a sentence was uttered that offended the viewer. Sort of like the audience walking out of a speech or movie
that hurts them with their advertising revenue streams and will hasten correction in the viewing market.

[Gunney3042]

Darn would have liked to read it but NYT will not get a dime from me.

Totally Agree!!!

[Worldseries27]

darn would have liked to read it but nyt will not get a dime from me.
agree with op 10000⁹⁹⁹⁹⁹%.
All the woke media can be defeated by injuring their bottom lines by tuning out .
Their viewing algorithms shows them when historical viewers tuned out. Sort of like the mass exodus from a movie in the middle same with a speech
the bottom line always hurts. It can't afford the niceties of woke. The progressives are being abandoned and neutralized from within their own parties

[ChicagoNative]

Pfft, indeed. A wolf in sheeps clothing article that manages to mention every cherry-picked fault, negative stereotype, and even gives a nod to the other hit piece movie about TV, while they try to “white shame” the community about being out of touch with reality.

F the NYT.

[Love2Swim]

Here it is.

Thanks for posting. I thought it was a really well balanced article, and captured the essence of The Villages correctly.

[DaleDivine]

Thanks for posting. I thought it was a really well balanced article, and captured the essence of The Villages correctly.

:coolsmiley::bigbow:

[Madelaine Amee]

I thought it was an excellent portrayal of TV as it is NOW. It was very different 20 yrs ago.

[nsantelli]

A more subtle than usual hit piece for NYT, but still a hit piece. Cherry picked data and insulted us on many levels. They seem to be obsessed with TV.
Remember NYT was one of two Producers of that movie about TV. Since when does a “newspaper” put up money to produce a movie.?

[HeleneGB]

I read article on my PC. Same old crap. I think they are all jealous of us Villagers.

[thevillages2013]

agree with op 10000⁹⁹⁹⁹⁹%.
All the woke media can be defeated by injuring their bottom lines by tuning out .
Their viewing algorithms shows them when historical viewers tuned out. Sort of like the mass exodus from a movie in the middle same with a speech
the bottom line always hurts. It can't afford the niceties of woke. The progressives are being abandoned and neutralized from within their own parties

Agree with you completely. Glad you put that out there .( if it had been me I would have already received punishment from the powers that be. ) CHEERS

[Arlington2]

As usual he goes to the bar scene and implies that is TV life. Maybe it is for some, but not for me or anyone I know.

[jimkerr]

He even had to mention STD’s. He obviously didn’t do his homework.

[kenoc7]

Nyt and wapo are useless rags

NYT and WaPo - the two best newspapers in America.

[Swoop]

The article is 90% political with Villages stereotypes sprinkled in. It is exactly how a liberal, pompous New Yorker would view The Villages.

[NotGolfer]

Yet we all moved here!!

[airstreamingypsy]

The article is 90% political with Villages stereotypes sprinkled in. It is exactly how a liberal, pompous New Yorker would view The Villages.

That's how the rest of the country sees The Villages.

[Swoop]

That's how the rest of the country sees The Villages.

No, that’s how liberal, woke people see The Villages…
Not “the rest of the country”…

[Bonnevie]

I thought it was a well written, balanced article. if anything, I think it went too soft on the right wing die hards and wished they'd interviewed more Democrats. I'm amazed at the people here who brag about not reading anything but what they agree with. that's why the country is so divided....people's inability to find any kind of common ground because of confirmational bias.

[SusanStCatherine]

It's an OPINION...with over 100k people opinions are as numerous as the grains of sand in a sandbox.

The entire paper is all opinion and bias. Just like most media these days. Both sides.

[MidWestIA]

Reminds me of a saying I heard - opinions are like as$holes everybody has one.
Just some liberal trying to look cute to other liberals and tell them I am so cool I went to Florida in the winter

And I am not a Trump supporter anymore in spite of all his talk he really only helped the rich like him. The next time your finance guy sells you a crap investment just to get a higher commission you can thank Trump

Trump killed the fiduciary rule. Sales of questionable investment products soared - Trump killed the fiduciary rule. Sales of questionable investment products soared - Los Angeles Times (https://www.latimes.com/business/la-fi-fiduciary-rule-investment-products-20190507-story.html)

[Bogie Shooter]

Reminds me of a saying I heard - opinions are like as$holes everybody has one.
Just some liberal trying to look cute to other liberals and tell them I am so cool I went to Florida in the winter

And I am not a Trump supporter anymore in spite of all his talk he really only helped the rich like him. The next time your finance guy sells you a crap investment just to get a higher commission you can thank Trump

Trump killed the fiduciary rule. Sales of questionable investment products soared - Trump killed the fiduciary rule. Sales of questionable investment products soared - Los Angeles Times (https://www.latimes.com/business/la-fi-fiduciary-rule-investment-products-20190507-story.html)

Time out, on its way.

[golfing eagles]

Thanks for posting. I thought it was a really well balanced article, and captured the essence of The Villages correctly.

Seriously????? My bad, I must be living somewhere else:1rotfl::1rotfl::1rotfl:

[golfing eagles]

I thought it was a well written, balanced article. if anything, I think it went too soft on the right wing die hards and wished they'd interviewed more Democrats. I'm amazed at the people here who brag about not reading anything but what they agree with. that's why the country is so divided....people's inability to find any kind of common ground because of confirmational bias.

:1rotfl::1rotfl::1rotfl:

I repeat:

:1rotfl::1rotfl::1rotfl:

[Dgodin]

One of the most balanced articles I've seen in a while noting both the good and bad. Other recent pieces/films were pure hit jobs.

[golfing eagles]

One of the most balanced articles I've seen in a while noting both the good and bad. Other recent pieces/films were pure hit jobs.

Ummm. Maybe read between the lines?

[thecinks1@gmail.com]

The only articles ever printed in the big liberal news outlets absolutely trash Villagers as selfish, wrong-minded dolts!

[Fast Freddy]

If you want to read this exceedingly long New Yorker opinion, put article title in your search bar and read from a different source. Lots of poor grammer.

[Smalley]

The writer saw what he wanted to see. Did he invesigate the numerous support groups here, the charitable clubs, The Villages symphony, jazz and other musical groups? Politics was way over-emphasized.

[jerryss]

Here is the article copied to an open web site, minus the photos. Please read it, and judge for yourself.

The ‘Disney’ for Boomers Puts Hedonism on Full Display

Opinion | The ‘Disney’ for Boomers Puts Hedonism on Full Display - News-Universe (https://news-universe.com/2022/03/03/opinion-the-disney-for-boomers-puts-hedonism-on-full-display/)

[ElDiabloJoe]

An interesting but biased article. Pretty gentle for the Times, in my opinion.
Fully concur.

[denniskathyb]

I have hit my FREE limit. No money from me.

[ElDiabloJoe]

Pfft, indeed. A wolf in sheeps clothing article that manages to mention every cherry-picked fault, negative stereotype, and even gives a nod to the other hit piece movie about TV, while they try to “white shame” the community about being out of touch with reality.

F the NYT.Excellent summary.

[ElDiabloJoe]

One of the most balanced articles I've seen in a while noting both the good and bad. Other recent pieces/films were pure hit jobs.
Ya know, the liberals think "THEY" are center spectrum, so it would appear to be a well-balanced article. To them.

The rest of us that know better, realize they sit at about 3 on a 1-10 scale where Stalin was a 1, Bernie Sanders is a 2, and Milton Friedman was a 10.

[davem4616]

the Times and anyone else can write whatever they wish to about The Villages....they're only interested in a story

I happen to enjoy living here

[Lottoguy]

Spoken by a FOX News lover. LoL

[Bogie Shooter]

Spoken by a FOX News lover. LoL

Which poster? There are so many.

[Ele201]

Darn would have liked to read it but NYT will not get a dime from me. Nor will they get my email and password!

[davem4616]

Spoken by a FOX News lover. LoL


spoken like an over the hill 'woke' CNN lover ...lol

[Ele201]

If you want to read this exceedingly long New Yorker opinion, put article title in your search bar and read from a different source. Lots of poor grammer. You mean grammar?

[HIgolfers]

I have hit my FREE limit. No money from me.

It’s attached as a PDF in post number 7.

[Ele201]

while you exaggerate, a lot of that is actually true so it was accurate reporting. though I wish the STD thing wasn't mentioned in the article because that was debunked a long time ago. The New York Times deserves to be sued for stating Villagers get STD’s. It’s outrageous, arrogant, despicable and untrue.

[APovi]

I don't remember talking to the NYT but they (and this comment) describe me exactly
Thank you. . .

[meme5x]

I found the article to be very politically charged. I for one feel very safe here and can go and do what I want without the fear that I feel in my northern home.. I’m “Senager”…a senior who is older but still views life as I did as a teenager.. trying not to be afraid of what lies ahead….

[Cheryl Barrios]

Opinion | At '''the Villages,''' the Party Never Ends for Boomers - The New York Times (https://www.nytimes.com/2022/03/03/opinion/florida-the-villages.html)

Read the article and found that the author is like so many people who complain - too many white people, too many Republicans, too many drunks, not diverse enough. He sprinkles in people are nice and friendly, but is quick to add they'll give you the finger. I don't know the purpose of the article at all. I moved here for a reason. If everything here was the same as my old "home", I wouldn't have left everything and everyone and moved. It has what I want and I love it. When someone thinks they have the right to tell me where I should live and who I should live by, I get angry. If you live here and don't like the community makeup, go live where you want, in a place that has what you want. If I don't want to live by you, I won't buy a home there. If you don't want to live by me or people like me, don't buy a home here. If you want more diversity, go somewhere else. If you want kids surrounding you, go somewhere else. If you want to look at sofas in your front yard or cars up on cement bricks, there are lots of places to go. This is a 55+ community full of people who want to live the life we live, not an experiment in anything goes. Oh, and thanks for the compliment on our yards and the landscaping in The Villages.

[OrangeBlossomBaby]

I agree with you 100⁹⁹⁹⁹⁹⁹⁹⁹⁹⁹⁹⁹%
furthermore, have shut down shows on all networks that have gone woke.
Their ratings algorithms can pinpoint when historical viewers tuned out even to the moment a sentence was uttered that offended the viewer. Sort of like the audience walking out of a speech or movie
that hurts them with their advertising revenue streams and will hasten correction in the viewing market.

Not really - since all the people who are "woke" (do people even know what that means or do they just spew the term like vomitus force-fed to them by their master) will congregate and turn it into a box-office smash.

The point of the article is that this community is still occupied by the baby boomers, who came here wanting very specific things, looking for very specific nostalgia, and willing to isolate themselves from anything in the outside world that threatened their vision of their idea of paradise in retirement.

And - that the baby boomers are starting to be replaced by the next generation, which has a different idea of nostalgia (see the whines in other threads on music choices in the squares). Which has an interest in different things (see the whines in other threads about white crosses on lawns and maintaining conservative "christianity" at all costs).. and different idea of paradise (see whines about apartments being built).

Like it or not, the older half of the boomer generation is already in assisted living communities or on their way, if not already dead. The younger half of the generation were at the ground level of new trends, new interests, new perceptions of the world.

I'm in that second half. I was born in 1961, one of the youngest and last years of the boomer generation. I am for diversity, differences, culture, the Arts, progressive political discourse that results in improvements rather than regression to the "good ole days" when women who were raped would either be forced to give birth to their rapist's spawn, or die in a back alley trying to stop the pregnancy, and white men could torture and beat a black boy to death and the police wouldn't even TRY to investigate it until two months later.

My half of the generation loves 50s music too. But we don't love 50's politics. We don't love 50s propaganda. We don't love 50s post-war struggles. We don't love 50s lily white facade of perfection and starched shirts. And we're taking over, and there's really nothing the older half can do about it since as I said - they're already in assisted living, heading there, or dead.

[Wilson02852]

Typical biased based opinion piece by NYT. Instead of spreading article research around to get a broader understanding author focused on one area that supported original brainless thoughts. Even used baseless aged articles (STDs) to support hedonistic headline.

[Alto2548]

Only good thing about this article is that it may keep left-wingers from moving here!

[npwalters]

reading that drivel is several minutes of my life I'd like to have back

[MandoMan]

Here is the article copied to an open web site, minus the photos. Please read it, and judge for yourself.

The ‘Disney’ for Boomers Puts Hedonism on Full Display

Opinion | The ‘Disney’ for Boomers Puts Hedonism on Full Display - News-Universe (https://news-universe.com/2022/03/03/opinion-the-disney-for-boomers-puts-hedonism-on-full-display/)

I read The NY Times daily, but I usually don’t read the author of this opinion piece because I disagree with her left wing politics and get annoyed. In general, however, this piece is pretty accurate. If you read it with an open mind and actually live here, you would probably think the same. Here are a couple thought-provoking paragraphs:

“But the parades and games and clubs, most definitely the political ones, also give people a sense of belonging and purpose — of still being able to make a difference. Whatever their ideological persuasion, residents are constantly reminded that civic engagement matters. That they matter. Like at all retirement communities, the social life at the Villages tackles head-on the scourges of isolation, despair and loneliness that are eating away at so many Americans as the nation’s social fabric frays. In a culture that can feel as though it is leaving seniors behind, the Villages is designed to bring people together. And despite the at times harrowing political warfare, the community largely succeeds in doing so — even if it isn’t always easy.”

“Surrounded by people at a similar life stage, many with similar values, Villagers can maintain a distance from the demographic and cultural changes reshaping the nation and from many of its more intractable problems. Crime, inequality, homelessness, climate change, racial strife, the high cost of child care and college — these are challenges for other communities to grapple with. Other generations even. Big Government is eyed with skepticism, even as the aging populace commands an increasingly larger chunk of the federal budget for programs such as Social Security and Medicare. So long as taxes stay low and the golf courses stay open, Villagers can stay focused on living the dream. They have earned this retreat, dammit. The escapism is the point. And escapism, by definition, means separating oneself from unsettling trends and people.”

These are reasons I love it here.

[Stu from NYC]

Pfft, indeed. A wolf in sheeps clothing article that manages to mention every cherry-picked fault, negative stereotype, and even gives a nod to the other hit piece movie about TV, while they try to “white shame” the community about being out of touch with reality.

F the NYT.

You nailed it.

[Stu from NYC]

Ummm. Maybe read between the lines?

Very true. Typical nyt article.

Fair and balanced is not part of their vocabulary

[coconutmama]

Opinion | At '''the Villages,''' the Party Never Ends for Boomers - The New York Times (https://www.nytimes.com/2022/03/03/opinion/florida-the-villages.html)

I thought the article was basically true. Most of the author’s observations, good & bad, I have seen myself. The summary was not political. It was that we want the opportunity to enjoy the time we have left.

As another post noted, the STD bit should not have been included. That would be my main criticism

[Swoop]

I thought the article was basically true. Most of the author’s observations, good & bad, I have seen myself. The summary was not political. It was that we want the opportunity to enjoy the time we have left.

As another post noted, the STD bit should not have been included. That would be my main criticism

Seriously? Virtually every paragraph has a political reference. Try reading it again.

[RPDaly]

I thought the article was basically true. Most of the author’s observations, good & bad, I have seen myself. The summary was not political. It was that we want the opportunity to enjoy the time we have left.

As another post noted, the STD bit should not have been included. That would be my main criticism
Exactly. People come here to enjoy the end of their lives in a comfortable, stress free non-confrontational environment. They all have been through enough of that by this time in their lives. Call it wax nostalgic or going back to a time in America now vanquished and to many of us were this countries best years but no one should be shamed for wanting it

[celiarw]

Here it is.

Thank you for allowing us to actually read the article!

[eremite06]

pfft, indeed. A wolf in sheeps clothing article that manages to mention every cherry-picked fault, negative stereotype, and even gives a nod to the other hit piece movie about tv, while they try to “white shame” the community about being out of touch with reality.

F the nyt.
ditto.

[jimjamuser]

I read The NY Times daily, but I usually don’t read the author of this opinion piece because I disagree with her left wing politics and get annoyed. In general, however, this piece is pretty accurate. If you read it with an open mind and actually live here, you would probably think the same. Here are a couple thought-provoking paragraphs:

“But the parades and games and clubs, most definitely the political ones, also give people a sense of belonging and purpose — of still being able to make a difference. Whatever their ideological persuasion, residents are constantly reminded that civic engagement matters. That they matter. Like at all retirement communities, the social life at the Villages tackles head-on the scourges of isolation, despair and loneliness that are eating away at so many Americans as the nation’s social fabric frays. In a culture that can feel as though it is leaving seniors behind, the Villages is designed to bring people together. And despite the at times harrowing political warfare, the community largely succeeds in doing so — even if it isn’t always easy.”

“Surrounded by people at a similar life stage, many with similar values, Villagers can maintain a distance from the demographic and cultural changes reshaping the nation and from many of its more intractable problems. Crime, inequality, homelessness, climate change, racial strife, the high cost of child care and college — these are challenges for other communities to grapple with. Other generations even. Big Government is eyed with skepticism, even as the aging populace commands an increasingly larger chunk of the federal budget for programs such as Social Security and Medicare. So long as taxes stay low and the golf courses stay open, Villagers can stay focused on living the dream. They have earned this retreat, dammit. The escapism is the point. And escapism, by definition, means separating oneself from unsettling trends and people.”

These are reasons I love it here.
We can't opt out of world problems. Because when we decide to vote, that has an influence on the direction of the world. People CAN ignore world problems, but that will not make them go away.

[jimjamuser]

Exactly. People come here to enjoy the end of their lives in a comfortable, stress free non-confrontational environment. They all have been through enough of that by this time in their lives. Call it wax nostalgic or going back to a time in America now vanquished and to many of us were this countries best years but no one should be shamed for wanting it
Those were the best years. The US had a large middle class - good years for the middle class. Today we have good years for the upper, upper, upper class. How and why did that change. The Village is a great place to ask and answer that question. Maybe there should be more articles about The Village, not less. It would be nice if social scientists from different Universities would come and study the people here. It might answer where and when America was great and how to best return to that overall (not perfect) time period when the middle class was dominate.

[OrangeBlossomBaby]

For those of you who can’t access the article, let me summarize it for you:
The only thing people in The Villages want to talk about is politics and we love Trump. We are fixated on golf carts, we like to trick them out and drive them in political parades and we love Trump. We are alcoholics and we like to drive our golf carts drunk, that’s why there are so many accidents, and we love Trump. We like to have sex in our golf carts and everywhere else, that’s why we have the highest STD rate, and we love Trump. We are white, therefore we are out of touch with the rest of the USA and we love Trump. There are some democrats in The Villages, but they are good people and are always harassed by Trump supporters.
That pretty much sums it up…

Wow that wasn't my takeaway at all. But if the shoe fits...

[EdFNJ]

Wow that wasn't my takeaway at all. But if the shoe fits... LOL! S/he "swooped" right down into that one! :1rotfl:

[Bogie Shooter]

Hey moderators,
If you don't label this as "political", you're wrong!

I think the board may have been lost to the political crazies………….

[JMintzer]

NYT and WaPo - the two best newspapers in America.

https://media0.giphy.com/media/hvq8ONQhQ1XLq/giphy.gif

[golfing eagles]

give examples of where you thought it was unfair...

it cites the 4 cases of voter fraud that Republicans seem not to care about....I don't think it was ever reported in the Villages Daily Sun

it gives an accurate percentage of races in the Villages

it tells about the video that made major news....just the truth there...it mentions verbal altercations between the parties

and it tells how Democrats are generally forced to keep quiet to maintain the peace....it could have told how when the Democrats were going to have a golf cart parade the Villagers for Trump posted that nails should be put in their path, or how those same people published the name and address of the Democrats or how they came out in force to harass.....no all that was mentioned was stolen signs....


but it also talks about the active lifestyle and how people are enjoying their lives. from the article:Seniors don’t move to the Villages for the politics. They come for the golf and the pickleball, the softball and tennis and polo. They come for the concerts and casino nights and the Senior Games (think of them as a more mature Olympics). They come for Boozy Bingo at Lazy Mac’s Tacos, karaoke night at City Fire and the line dancing taught by a D.J. called Scooter.

for me, one doesn't come away thinking it's a hit job on anyone.

OK, let's see:

The reporter hung out at City Fire and interviewed the president of the Democratic Club----hardly a complete picture. He cites 4 instances of apparent voter fraud that may be the only 4 Republicans to defraud the system, EVER, as opposed to the thousands of dead people who manage to vote every election for you know who.

He cites the wacko woman who yelled "white power", but no mention of the total nut job who has been arrested multiple times for stalking a Trump supporter

He referred to TV as a "MAGA circus"

Here's another excerpt:
"Even seniors who have no business driving anymore zip around like teenage joy riders, say
residents. Crashes are not uncommon, and visitors are warned to watch out for bad drivers — and drunk ones. One afternoon during my
visit, Marsha Shearer, a board member for the Democratic club, emails that a friend and fellow board member had witnessed a doozy of a
wreck by what appeared to be a highly intoxicated driver. “She was also an anti-vaxxer and a very belligerent Trumper who kept
screaming over and over again ‘I’m not vaccinated’” and cursing President Biden, the friend, Sue Dubman, reported. The police
eventually came to deal with the mess."

And this one:
"And for years, the community has fought its reputation (based in
part on a 2008 book) as a den of sexual iniquity, where seniors get jiggy in golf carts and S.T.D.s run rampant."

Or this:
"Here, baby boomers still reign supreme, in a place that caters to some of their most self-absorbed, self-indulgent impulses. "

He even managed to work in the myth of "climate change" into his article

Now, please tell me how this article was not biased again.

[Bogie Shooter]

reading that drivel is several minutes of my life I'd like to have back

What the previous post?:1rotfl:

[Packer Fan]

Some telling quotes from the NY Times article on TV. The author laments that, "the nation’s social cloth frays", and residents of TV are escaping "Crime, inequality, homelessness, local weather change, racial strife" ad naseum.

Well, yes... yes we are. To quote a Villager, "It's a bubble, but it's a nice bubble".

Rather than living in some liberally run "woke" hell-scape of a city where their policies cause the fraying of the "social cloth", with the attendant results of... "crime, inequality, homelessness..." (and might I add: loss of liberties, illegal immigration, gender confusion, parents as "domestic terrorists", drug use and addiction, burning and looting, yadda-yadda), we live in this "escapist" mostly conservative community with the opposite values and (what a surprise!) few of those problems.

We've made our choice and moved here. You don't have to like TV, and you can poke fun at us all you want. But in the end, you have to live with your choices. Just keep them away from us.

Viking

Viking, you and I are totally on the same page on this. Wow, we want to get away from the woke hellholes in the North, what a shock.

Let me add one thing for you. I am Mexican, and I am so annoyed with all the Lilly white liberal woke reporters who have to mention the lack of racial diversity. WHO THE HECK CARES? I have several black and hispanic friends in TV, and they and I say the same thing - there is less prejudice in TV than anywhere else. For some reason, not a lot of Minorites have chosen TV, nobody is keeping them out. Not a lot of Minorities live in a lot of places, they don't want to.

It is amazing how they never write articles about places like Milwaukee where you are looked down on if you are NOT a woke liberal democrat, and crime runs rampant. Not a lot of diversity there either where in about a 10 square mile area there are no White people. The most segregated city in the USA in fact - run by liberals for 100 years - an eyesore and a hellhole except for the 3rd and 5th ward that have been gentrified.

As far as I am concerned, the less wokeness the better.

Thank God for The Villages.

[Bill14564]

Did the article hit on the negative stereotypes? Sure it did but one thing to remember, stereotypes are usually based on some reality. Many of the responses in this thread support the stereotypes.

Is the article biased? Perhaps, but it was not intended as a fair-and-balanced article, it is an opinion piece. The content was certainly chosen to support the headline, that's how opinion pieces work.

Was any of it incorrect or was it just uncomfortably close to home? Nothing in the article was news to me, I have either read about the items in the local papers or in this forum or I have experienced them myself. I read it through again and still didn't notice any false statements.

Did the article paint a fair picture of the Villages? It did a good job of covering the first impressions that most would have. There is more to the Villages than just what was in the article but you need to spend some time here to see that.

[Swoop]

Wow that wasn't my takeaway at all. But if the shoe fits...

Comprehension. It’s the difference between reading and understanding what you read…

[Boffin]

Okay Boomers.

[Stu from NYC]

OK, let's see:

The reporter hung out at City Fire and interviewed the president of the Democratic Club----hardly a complete picture. He cites 4 instances of apparent voter fraud that may be the only 4 Republicans to defraud the system, EVER, as opposed to the thousands of dead people who manage to vote every election for you know who.

He cites the wacko woman who yelled "white power", but no mention of the total nut job who has been arrested multiple times for stalking a Trump supporter

He referred to TV as a "MAGA circus"

Here's another excerpt:
"Even seniors who have no business driving anymore zip around like teenage joy riders, say
residents. Crashes are not uncommon, and visitors are warned to watch out for bad drivers — and drunk ones. One afternoon during my
visit, Marsha Shearer, a board member for the Democratic club, emails that a friend and fellow board member had witnessed a doozy of a
wreck by what appeared to be a highly intoxicated driver. “She was also an anti-vaxxer and a very belligerent Trumper who kept
screaming over and over again ‘I’m not vaccinated’” and cursing President Biden, the friend, Sue Dubman, reported. The police
eventually came to deal with the mess."

And this one:
"And for years, the community has fought its reputation (based in
part on a 2008 book) as a den of sexual iniquity, where seniors get jiggy in golf carts and S.T.D.s run rampant."

Or this:
"Here, baby boomers still reign supreme, in a place that caters to some of their most self-absorbed, self-indulgent impulses. "

He even managed to work in the myth of "climate change" into his article

Now, please tell me how this article was not biased again.

So very true

[thevillages2013]

Reminds me of a saying I heard - opinions are like as$holes everybody has one.
Just some liberal trying to look cute to other liberals and tell them I am so cool I went to Florida in the winter

And I am not a Trump supporter anymore in spite of all his talk he really only helped the rich like him. The next time your finance guy sells you a crap investment just to get a higher commission you can thank Trump

Trump killed the fiduciary rule. Sales of questionable investment products soared - Trump killed the fiduciary rule. Sales of questionable investment products soared - Los Angeles Times (https://www.latimes.com/business/la-fi-fiduciary-rule-investment-products-20190507-story.html)

Sure hope you get a foul from the powers that be for this one

[thevillages2013]

Not really - since all the people who are "woke" (do people even know what that means or do they just spew the term like vomitus force-fed to them by their master) will congregate and turn it into a box-office smash.

The point of the article is that this community is still occupied by the baby boomers, who came here wanting very specific things, looking for very specific nostalgia, and willing to isolate themselves from anything in the outside world that threatened their vision of their idea of paradise in retirement.

And - that the baby boomers are starting to be replaced by the next generation, which has a different idea of nostalgia (see the whines in other threads on music choices in the squares). Which has an interest in different things (see the whines in other threads about white crosses on lawns and maintaining conservative "christianity" at all costs).. and different idea of paradise (see whines about apartments being built).

Like it or not, the older half of the boomer generation is already in assisted living communities or on their way, if not already dead. The younger half of the generation were at the ground level of new trends, new interests, new perceptions of the world.

I'm in that second half. I was born in 1961, one of the youngest and last years of the boomer generation. I am for diversity, differences, culture, the Arts, progressive political discourse that results in improvements rather than regression to the "good ole days" when women who were raped would either be forced to give birth to their rapist's spawn, or die in a back alley trying to stop the pregnancy, and white men could torture and beat a black boy to death and the police wouldn't even TRY to investigate it until two months later.

My half of the generation loves 50s music too. But we don't love 50's politics. We don't love 50s propaganda. We don't love 50s post-war struggles. We don't love 50s lily white facade of perfection and starched shirts. And we're taking over, and there's really nothing the older half can do about it since as I said - they're already in assisted living, heading there, or dead.

I’m 58 and think entirely different than you so just because things are going your way right now ( can’t say why because I would get a foul) don’t feel like you have won the war just because you have won the last battle

[Laker14]

Did the article hit on the negative stereotypes? Sure it did but one thing to remember, stereotypes are usually based on some reality. Many of the responses in this thread support the stereotypes.

Is the article biased? Perhaps, but it was not intended as a fair-and-balanced article, it is an opinion piece. The content was certainly chosen to support the headline, that's how opinion pieces work.

Was any of it incorrect or was it just uncomfortably close to home? Nothing in the article was news to me, I have either read about the items in the local papers or in this forum or I have experienced them myself. I read it through again and still didn't notice any false statements.

Did the article paint a fair picture of the Villages? It did a good job of covering the first impressions that most would have. There is more to the Villages than just what was in the article but you need to spend some time here to see that.

Most of what was said in the article would survive a fact check. That doesn't mean it's not biased.
I'm not sure what the fascination is among the writers and documentarists with this place to constantly paint the same picture over and over again. The only conclusion I can come to is that the fascination has its genesis somewhere in the concept that old people are supposed to be meek, mild, sedentary, and above all, chaste. Old people should, if they are fortunate enough to avoid a nursing home with baby food dribbling down their chins, at least have the decency to stay at home, on the sofa, watching "Days of Our Lives".
Dear God, it's bad enough to think of our parents having sex, but really? Our grandparents? EEEYewwww! :yuck:
I've yet to read one that shows the 80 year old neighbor out every night on her trike, with her dog in the basket. Getting exercise, meeting her neighbors. Interacting in a healthy way with other grayhairs. I've yet to read one that spends more than the slightest off-hand lip service to the healthy aspects of a social life, and access to physical activities that abound here.
I've met many who have come here for the golf, and the pickle, the music, the dancing, and all of the social opportunities here.
I've never met one person who said they came here because they needed to be with white people who shared their particular political beliefs. Not one.

[EdFNJ]

Just "for the record" it was a "SHE" who wrote the article. ;) :)

[jenistaf]

Opinion | At '''the Villages,''' the Party Never Ends for Boomers - The New York Times (https://www.nytimes.com/2022/03/03/opinion/florida-the-villages.html)

Not a word about the hundreds of thousands of volunteer hours donated by Villagers every year or the scores of active, growing churches in and around TV.

[thevillages2013]

That's how the rest of the country sees The Villages.

Most of the country doesn’t even know we exist

[golfing eagles]

Most of the country doesn’t even know we exist

And I wouldn't mind keeping it that way!

[thevillages2013]

You can tell he is a Democrat. He mentioned the Trump fans doing the bad stuff. Never mentioned the Democrats doing the same or worse. Standing on corners yelling out vulgar language & the golf cart guy parked on corners with nasty signs about Trump who now has been arrested a few times for stalking a Trump fan.
Everything else seems to be right on. He didn’t mention the retiree’s middle age kids coming here to live with their parents because of their drug addiction or can’t keep a job. Many have been arrested for stealing money from their parents. Stealing from others, shoplifting & etc. Maybe we need a Republican to write a news story. Republican or Democrat people act because of their personality not their politics. Unfortunately the big mouths & know it alls get everyone’s attention. Most of the others eat out, enjoy the lifestyle & if they go to the square they go to enjoy the music & watch the people. He said nothing about a majority have dogs & bring them everywhere. It was all about politics & the lifestyle in the background. He was definitely a Democrat.
Thanks for your comments. If I had posted the same I would have received a foul

[thevillages2013]

And I wouldn't mind keeping it that way!

Me too! Let’s keep this offensively terrible life we are living “under the radar “so we won’t be exposed!

[thevillages2013]

Ya know, the liberals think "THEY" are center spectrum, so it would appear to be a well-balanced article. To them.

The rest of us that know better, realize they sit at about 3 on a 1-10 scale where Stalin was a 1, Bernie Sanders is a 2, and Milton Friedman was a 10.

You are the devil Joe but you are a good dude in my opinion!

[OrangeBlossomBaby]

OK, let's see:

The reporter hung out at City Fire and interviewed the president of the Democratic Club----hardly a complete picture. He cites 4 instances of apparent voter fraud that may be the only 4 Republicans to defraud the system, EVER, as opposed to the thousands of dead people who manage to vote every election for you know who.

He cites the wacko woman who yelled "white power", but no mention of the total nut job who has been arrested multiple times for stalking a Trump supporter

He referred to TV as a "MAGA circus"

Here's another excerpt:
"Even seniors who have no business driving anymore zip around like teenage joy riders, say
residents. Crashes are not uncommon, and visitors are warned to watch out for bad drivers — and drunk ones. One afternoon during my
visit, Marsha Shearer, a board member for the Democratic club, emails that a friend and fellow board member had witnessed a doozy of a
wreck by what appeared to be a highly intoxicated driver. “She was also an anti-vaxxer and a very belligerent Trumper who kept
screaming over and over again ‘I’m not vaccinated’” and cursing President Biden, the friend, Sue Dubman, reported. The police
eventually came to deal with the mess."

And this one:
"And for years, the community has fought its reputation (based in
part on a 2008 book) as a den of sexual iniquity, where seniors get jiggy in golf carts and S.T.D.s run rampant."

Or this:
"Here, baby boomers still reign supreme, in a place that caters to some of their most self-absorbed, self-indulgent impulses. "

He even managed to work in the myth of "climate change" into his article

Now, please tell me how this article was not biased again.

I observe pretty much the same things when I go to the squares. I also observe other things that are less offensive to me, but there's absolutely nothing about anything you are complaining about, that isn't true.

[OrangeBlossomBaby]

Not a word about the hundreds of thousands of volunteer hours donated by Villagers every year or the scores of active, growing churches in and around TV.

What does scores of active, growing churches have to do with anything at all? I mean if you want to drag religion into it, let's talk about the Crusades. All in the name of Jesus.

Or maybe don't do that. There's nothing about "churches" that equates to goodness.

The volunteer part I'll agree with. I'm a volunteer as well.

[Keeferinspace]

Funny! Better written than the article itself.

[blueash]

Here it is.

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[midiwiz]

Totally Agree!!!

if you read much closer you'd find out you can read it for free.......

[midiwiz]

Opinion | At '''the Villages,''' the Party Never Ends for Boomers - The New York Times (https://www.nytimes.com/2022/03/03/opinion/florida-the-villages.html)

IMHO almost accurate article, actually it's pretty funny. A tongue in cheek ripping on TV that calls out some of the worst, which we see daily around here.

I guess what I haven't read much of is reality in the responses, face it, you live is a controlled environment reminiscent of 1963 Russia for the most part. I'm surprised the term "stepford" wasn't used in the article.

I know a lot of people that won't move here because of the reality, don't blame them. This article was more than kind and still funny.

[gettingby]

Paywall.

I wouldn’t wrap fish in this rag. Who cares what the NYT has to say about anything?

[coffeebean]

What does scores of active, growing churches have to do with anything at all? I mean if you want to drag religion into it, let's talk about the Crusades. All in the name of Jesus.

Or maybe don't do that. There's nothing about "churches" that equates to goodness.

The volunteer part I'll agree with. I'm a volunteer as well.

Truer words were never spoken.

[Caymus]

I know a lot of people that won't move here because of the reality, don't blame them.

That's probably a good thing.

[Love2Swim]

Not really - since all the people who are "woke" (do people even know what that means or do they just spew the term like vomitus force-fed to them by their master) will congregate and turn it into a box-office smash.

The point of the article is that this community is still occupied by the baby boomers, who came here wanting very specific things, looking for very specific nostalgia, and willing to isolate themselves from anything in the outside world that threatened their vision of their idea of paradise in retirement.

And - that the baby boomers are starting to be replaced by the next generation, which has a different idea of nostalgia (see the whines in other threads on music choices in the squares). Which has an interest in different things (see the whines in other threads about white crosses on lawns and maintaining conservative "christianity" at all costs).. and different idea of paradise (see whines about apartments being built).

Like it or not, the older half of the boomer generation is already in assisted living communities or on their way, if not already dead. The younger half of the generation were at the ground level of new trends, new interests, new perceptions of the world.

I'm in that second half. I was born in 1961, one of the youngest and last years of the boomer generation. I am for diversity, differences, culture, the Arts, progressive political discourse that results in improvements rather than regression to the "good ole days" when women who were raped would either be forced to give birth to their rapist's spawn, or die in a back alley trying to stop the pregnancy, and white men could torture and beat a black boy to death and the police wouldn't even TRY to investigate it until two months later.

My half of the generation loves 50s music too. But we don't love 50's politics. We don't love 50s propaganda. We don't love 50s post-war struggles. We don't love 50s lily white facade of perfection and starched shirts. And we're taking over, and there's really nothing the older half can do about it since as I said - they're already in assisted living, heading there, or dead.

Agree. The Villages will be changing with the influx of younger retirees, who seem to have different values, assuming they come here. As you said, not everyone is interested solely in a return to a bygone era. The political divide here is really off-putting, and that may dissuade the younger generation as well. The plus of The Villages has always been the activities, clubs, etc. Hopefully that will be enough to draw the younger crowd.

[Bogie Shooter]

IMHO almost accurate article, actually it's pretty funny. A tongue in cheek ripping on TV that calls out some of the worst, which we see daily around here.

I guess what I haven't read much of is reality in the responses, face it, you live is a controlled environment reminiscent of 1963 Russia for the most part. I'm surprised the term "stepford" wasn't used in the article.

I know a lot of people that won't move here because of the reality, don't blame them. This article was more than kind and still funny.
“1963 russia”. Never had that feeling.

[kenoc7]

Ya know, the liberals think "THEY" are center spectrum, so it would appear to be a well-balanced article. To them.

The rest of us that know better, realize they sit at about 3 on a 1-10 scale where Stalin was a 1, Bernie Sanders is a 2, and Milton Friedman was a 10.

And you sit where? About 25?

[coconutmama]

Most of what was said in the article would survive a fact check. That doesn't mean it's not biased.
I'm not sure what the fascination is among the writers and documentarists with this place to constantly paint the same picture over and over again. The only conclusion I can come to is that the fascination has its genesis somewhere in the concept that old people are supposed to be meek, mild, sedentary, and above all, chaste. Old people should, if they are fortunate enough to avoid a nursing home with baby food dribbling down their chins, at least have the decency to stay at home, on the sofa, watching "Days of Our Lives".
Dear God, it's bad enough to think of our parents having sex, but really? Our grandparents? EEEYewwww! :yuck:
I've yet to read one that shows the 80 year old neighbor out every night on her trike, with her dog in the basket. Getting exercise, meeting her neighbors. Interacting in a healthy way with other grayhairs. I've yet to read one that spends more than the slightest off-hand lip service to the healthy aspects of a social life, and access to physical activities that abound here.
I've met many who have come here for the golf, and the pickle, the music, the dancing, and all of the social opportunities here.
I've never met one person who said they came here because they needed to be with white people who shared their particular political beliefs. Not one.

I actually have neighbors who did move here for the “whiteness” & politics. But hopefully they have found other reasons to enjoy life here.

[Madelaine Amee]

I actually have neighbors who did move here for the “whiteness” & politics. But hopefully they have found other reasons to enjoy life here.

I, too, have neighbors who moved for the same reasons, three of them. One in my immediate area and two just around the corner.

My neighborhood is very conservative, but quietly so, no discussion of politics or religion; no flags or stickers on cars. However, I do know that they are not happy to see the neighborhood becoming more political.

[MandoMan]

OK, let's see:

The reporter hung out at City Fire and interviewed the president of the Democratic Club----hardly a complete picture. He cites 4 instances of apparent voter fraud that may be the only 4 Republicans to defraud the system, EVER, as opposed to the thousands of dead people who manage to vote every election for you know who.

He cites the wacko woman who yelled "white power", but no mention of the total nut job who has been arrested multiple times for stalking a Trump supporter

He referred to TV as a "MAGA circus"



Here's another excerpt:
"Even seniors who have no business driving anymore zip around like teenage joy riders, say
residents. Crashes are not uncommon, and visitors are warned to watch out for bad drivers — and drunk ones. One afternoon during my
visit, Marsha Shearer, a board member for the Democratic club, emails that a friend and fellow board member had witnessed a doozy of a
wreck by what appeared to be a highly intoxicated driver. “She was also an anti-vaxxer and a very belligerent Trumper who kept
screaming over and over again ‘I’m not vaccinated’” and cursing President Biden, the friend, Sue Dubman, reported. The police
eventually came to deal with the mess."

And this one:
"And for years, the community has fought its reputation (based in
part on a 2008 book) as a den of sexual iniquity, where seniors get jiggy in golf carts and S.T.D.s run rampant."

Or this:
"Here, baby boomers still reign supreme, in a place that caters to some of their most self-absorbed, self-indulgent impulses. "

He even managed to work in the myth of "climate change" into his article

Now, please tell me how this article was not biased again.

For those readers who don’t know where the garbage about STDs came from, somewhere before 2008, a scurrilous British gossip rag, similar to the National Enquirer in this country, blared the news (partially correct, actually) that STDs in The Villages had gone up 50%. As this titillating gossip was too good to pass up, it was picked up and passed on like a nasty infection around the world, and it continues to infect newspapers.

The TRUTH is that the number of cases of ONE STD, gonorrhea, reported by law to the county health department, did go up 50% in ONE MONTH, years ago. But it went up FROM TWO CASES TO THREE CASES, which is indeed 50%. What was NOT mentioned was that cases in surrounding cities generally number—adjusted for size—at least TEN TIMES HIGHER! The truth is that sexual transmission of diseases is exceedingly low in The Villages. It’s true that urinary tract infections are pretty common, but they are ones due to medical issues, not sexual transmission.

[ElDiabloJoe]

...There's nothing about "churches" that equates to goodness.

The volunteer part I'll agree with. I'm a volunteer as well.

While churches and religions have more than their fair share of twisted, crooked manipulators running and staffing them, they are generally filled with congregations FULL of ordinary citizens, your neighbors, who are at least trying to make an effort to self-critique and improve themselves and their community. Success rates vary, like in everything else. Still, the internal effort to improve should be lauded thus there is something about churches that equates to goodness.

Those that have given up on that do not find themselves going to church at all, I mean, why bother making the effort if you don't want to.

By the way, regarding your volunteerism:

Go Vols!!

[tvbound]

I actually have neighbors who did move here for the “whiteness” & politics. But hopefully they have found other reasons to enjoy life here.

"I actually have neighbors who did move here for the “whiteness” & politics."

In our various rentals, we have come across many who have expressed the exact same sentiments. Playing as a single walk-on, it often doesn't take before the third tee box for one of the other players to allude to the same thing. I'm not afraid to mention, that I don't share their views and that we should just concentrate on playing golf.

[rsmurano]

Who reads the toilet paper times?

[tvbound]

Who reads the toilet paper times?

About 6.5 Million paid subscribers, plus all of those who read it without a subscription. With 132 Pulitzer prizes (and counting), it has more than any other organization.

[Stu from NYC]

About 6.5 Million paid subscribers, plus all of those who read it without a subscription. With 132 Pulitzer prizes (and counting), it has more than any other organization.

If they only practiced responsible journalism and kept opinion pieces separate from news articles.

[Bogie Shooter]

I actually have neighbors who did move here for the “whiteness” & politics. But hopefully they have found other reasons to enjoy life here.

In one word……sad

[Bill14564]

If they only practiced responsible journalism and kept opinion pieces separate from news articles.

If they did that then what, they would have more than 132 Pulitzer prizes? It seems they must be doing something right.

How would you have them separate opinion pieces? What if they placed the word "Opinion" immediately above the headline?

[MX rider]

Like any opinion piece, it's written to get clicks and eyeballs. We just bought a home in TV for snowbirding after our 7 day lifestyle visit.
Granted it was only 7 days. But we did talk to lots of people young and old. Never once did politics enter a conversation.

We're 65 and 66 and are registered republicans here in Indiana, simply because you can only register as a rep or a dem.. But we consider ourselves independents and would register that way if we could. I think the TV will continue to be a great place, but it will moderate over time as the older baby boomers attrition out.
We like newer music, running, mountain biking and staying fit and acitve. We aren't stuck in the past. I like to spend my time looking out the windshield and not the rearview mirror.
I do admit, more diversity in TV would be nice, but it needs to happen organically.

Every community has it's warts. You just have to find what fits you the best. We're looking forward to spending winters there. But if at some point we feel it's not for us, we'll sell our house and move. Life is full of choices.

[Bilyclub]

About 6.5 Million paid subscribers, plus all of those who read it without a subscription. With 132 Pulitzer prizes (and counting), it has more than any other organization.

Still a rag trying to skew the world into what their version of the world should be.

[collie1228]

While I am in the camp that believes the NYT to be a left-wing propaganda fish wrapper, this particular article is somewhat even handed and mostly factual from my perspective. I didn't see anything that got my hackles up.

[EdFNJ]

If they only practiced responsible journalism and kept opinion pieces separate from news articles.

If they did that then what, they would have more than 132 Pulitzer prizes? It seems they must be doing something right.

How would you have them separate opinion pieces? What if they placed the word "Opinion" immediately above the headline?

You mean like this :) :

[Stu from NYC]

You mean like this :) :

If they identify their opinions as such no problem.

However when I look at what they choose to be the news I find it skewed to the world as they wish it to be.

[EdFNJ]

If they identify their opinions as such no problem.

However when I look at what they choose to be the news I find it skewed to the world as they wish it to be. You mean as YOU wish it to be which is fine but that is only YOUR opinion based on YOUR beliefs. TV news stations are the same. Other newspapers are the same. That’s why God invented intelligence, so we can decide for ourselves what we believe in or what is right (2 different things) or not. Like TV news stations, if you don't like their news you go to the one you like that tells you what YOU want to hear.

[ScottGo]

Informative interesting long article. :clap2:

[Laker14]

I actually have neighbors who did move here for the “whiteness” & politics. But hopefully they have found other reasons to enjoy life here.

I think your comment makes sense. It has caused me to think more deeply about my comment. While I've never heard anyone voice it, I am sure there is a comfort level, conscious or unconscious, associated with being in an environment where one is surrounded largely by one's own ethnic group.
I think it would be fair to say that if I'd found a place with the same weather and amenities as TV, but where I would be in a 2% minority ethnically, I probably would have kept looking.
I don't think that makes us bad people, or TV a bad place, but it does make us an easy target for someone looking for an easy target, with an axe to grind.

[MX rider]

I think your comment makes sense. It has caused me to think more deeply about my comment. While I've never heard anyone voice it, I am sure there is a comfort level, conscious or unconscious, associated with being in an environment where one is surrounded largely by one's own ethnic group.
I think it would be fair to say that if I'd found a place with the same weather and amenities as TV, but where I would be in a 2% minority ethnically, I probably would have kept looking.
I don't think that makes us bad people, or TV a bad place, but it does make us an easy target for someone looking for an easy target, with an axe to grind.

Very well said.

[mvbird]

Thanks for the link so those of us who don't subscribe to the New York Times can read the story.

[Love2Swim]

I think your comment makes sense. It has caused me to think more deeply about my comment. While I've never heard anyone voice it, I am sure there is a comfort level, conscious or unconscious, associated with being in an environment where one is surrounded largely by one's own ethnic group.
I think it would be fair to say that if I'd found a place with the same weather and amenities as TV, but where I would be in a 2% minority ethnically, I probably would have kept looking.
I don't think that makes us bad people, or TV a bad place, but it does make us an easy target for someone looking for an easy target, with an axe to grind. Or just an easy target for someone stating the obvious.

[Worldseries27]

lol! S/he "swooped" right down into that one! :1rotfl:
i agree with you. The decline in awards shows ratings during covid should prove to any doubters that the majority of americans are not going to allow the media talking heads to mind control them. Sometimes you cant see a grove for the oranges

[manaboutown]

It seems to me that many folks I meet in The Villages from "up north" are above all weather refugees. That is what primarily drove them to move here, whether (pun intended) as snowbirds or frogs. Now I realize many have moved here from other parts of Florida for other reasons although hurricane (weather) issues may have played a part in their relocation to TV. As a wonderful bonus most everybody feels safe here, much safer than in almost any major metropolitan area. One can walk around their neighborhood any time, day or night, and not fear getting mugged (or worse). Additionally the cost of living here is quite modest compared to populous east and west coast states. I find it easy to connect with people I meet here. Most are open, friendly, helpful nice folks. They are honest, prudent, hard working and have earned a serene retirement.

[Laker14]

So interesting. Many good posts were removed, mostly by conservatives but liberal posts still here and the thread not
Closed down. Wonder what that means

it might not be the political slant, it might be the degree of nastiness in the way it was presented.

[Bogie Shooter]

it might not be the political slant, it might be the degree of nastiness in the way it was presented.

:BigApplause:
For all the deleted political posts!

[ThirdOfFive]

I read article on my PC. Same old crap. I think they are all jealous of us Villagers.
For one thing, articles made up of glowing positives do NOT generate interest--or hits, for that matter. "If it bleeds, it leads", as they say. An article about a town rife with boozing and sex is gonna generate one hell of a lot more interest than one about church socials and raising money for orphans. Human nature. Why else do salacious fish-wrappers like the National Enquirer hang around for decades while publications containing thoughtful articles come and go?

I'm no fan of the Times. Many reasons. But one thing beyond contestation is the fact that the Times employs the best wordsmiths around. You don't have to agree with what they say to recognize the excellence in how they say it.

[Stu from NYC]

You mean as YOU wish it to be which is fine but that is only YOUR opinion based on YOUR beliefs. TV news stations are the same. Other newspapers are the same. That’s why God invented intelligence, so we can decide for ourselves what we believe in or what is right (2 different things) or not. Like TV news stations, if you don't like their news you go to the one you like that tells you what YOU want to hear.

I just want the news without an opinion. Just the facts!

[Madelaine Amee]

I just want the news without an opinion. Just the facts!

None of the cable news stations are going to give you anything other than opinions, they are all talking heads. Some conservative, some liberal, all talking heads. If you want news you have to listen to BBC or a couple of other foreign stations.

[OrangeBlossomBaby]

Like any opinion piece, it's written to get clicks and eyeballs. We just bought a home in TV for snowbirding after our 7 day lifestyle visit.
Granted it was only 7 days. But we did talk to lots of people young and old. Never once did politics enter a conversation.

We're 65 and 66 and are registered republicans here in Indiana, simply because you can only register as a rep or a dem.. But we consider ourselves independents and would register that way if we could. I think the TV will continue to be a great place, but it will moderate over time as the older baby boomers attrition out.
We like newer music, running, mountain biking and staying fit and acitve. We aren't stuck in the past. I like to spend my time looking out the windshield and not the rearview mirror.
I do admit, more diversity in TV would be nice, but it needs to happen organically.

Every community has it's warts. You just have to find what fits you the best. We're looking forward to spending winters there. But if at some point we feel it's not for us, we'll sell our house and move. Life is full of choices.

Just a minor correction: You don't have to register as only Democrat or Republican in Indiana. That requirement only applies to the primaries. If you want to vote in the Democrat primary you have to be affiliated as a Democrat. Vice versa for Republican. That's the same in Florida. Someone whose registration declares them as a Democrat may not vote in the Republican primary. And, if you want to vote in one of the primaries, you must declare as registered to that party. If you refuse to declare, you can't vote for any candidates the primary. But you can still vote on any "questions" in the primary, and you can still vote in the general elections.

[OrangeBlossomBaby]

I just want the news without an opinion. Just the facts!

You can't even guarantee that you'd have "just the facts" for something you witness first-hand. What makes you think you'd know the facts if presented to you by someone else?

[Stu from NYC]

You can't even guarantee that you'd have "just the facts" for something you witness first-hand. What makes you think you'd know the facts if presented to you by someone else?

No guarantees but some publications tend to just present the facts and let the reader make up their mind.

[JMintzer]

Thanks for your comments. If I had posted the same I would have received a foul

How do you know they didn't?

[Laker14]

No guarantees but some publications tend to just present the facts and let the reader make up their mind.

even an article that survives "fact checking" can be slanted. As more than one historian has noted, historical documents can be biased by the facts left out, as well as the facts included.