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BlueHeronFan
10-27-2010, 02:20 PM
Well, I passed the Sumter Sheriff's official Police Golf Cart on the multi-model trail this morning. No I should say we were going in different directions, I didn't actually PASS it.

Anyway, you speedsters.....and you know who you are....have been warned.

BlueHeronFan
10-27-2010, 02:39 PM
Oh, and I guess I should mention that it looked like it could go FAST!

paulandjean
10-27-2010, 03:25 PM
19.9 I quess.

Bogie Shooter
10-27-2010, 03:33 PM
Well, I passed the Sumter Sheriff's official Police Golf Cart on the multi-model trail this morning. No I should say we were going in different directions, I didn't actually PASS it.

Anyway, you speedsters.....and you know who you are....have been warned.
They have no authority on the multi-model paths.

BogeyBoy
10-27-2010, 04:12 PM
They have no authority on the multi-model paths.

I agree, but maybe they could pull you over for being unsafe? Endangering others? Or just to hassle you for going fast on the multi-modal path?

Sparky-30
10-27-2010, 04:20 PM
Give me a break, as a ret. member of a large city police dept. is that all they have to do? Jesus, we were just trying to stay alive at the end of the shift.
Gonna hassle golf cart drivers, what rookies:evil6:

salpal
10-27-2010, 04:22 PM
Also there is a modular sign along the Buena Vista path, section that paralells Rt. 466 with a speed limit sign 20 mph and then an electronic sign that says "your speed"....but that part appears to be turned off. Guess they are trying to crack down and glad I had my speedometer installed last week!

salpal
10-27-2010, 04:23 PM
Sparky, couldn't agree more!

RichieLion
10-27-2010, 04:35 PM
They have more to worry about than golf carts. I'm sure these vehicles are for instances when they have to go where a car can't or shouldn't go. If you've been down the square you'll see them in some off-road bad-ass carts that look like a cross between a golf cart and a humvee.

clekr
10-27-2010, 05:23 PM
It's not about the speed of golf carts. It's about the money they can generate giving tickets to golf carts. Since about 80% of the carts in TV can exceed the limit they are making money hand over fist.

hoseman
10-27-2010, 06:45 PM
Pretty creative of those Police guys. A "poop" patrol golf cart...make sure you always have a bag in hand while walking the hound or you're history with this new rolling stock.

Bogie Shooter
10-27-2010, 06:45 PM
I agree, but maybe they could pull you over for being unsafe? Endangering others? Or just to hassle you for going fast on the multi-modal path?

They have no authority on the multi-modal paths.

Snowbirdtobe
10-27-2010, 07:17 PM
They have no authority on the multi-modal paths.

What happens when you cross a county road?

BogeyBoy
10-27-2010, 07:22 PM
They have no authority on the multi-modal paths.

I agree that they have no authority to pull you over for a moving violation, but if you are endangering public safety it may be a different issue. If you are on your own private property they can come on it and arrest you, so why not on a multi-modal path?

BogeyBoy
10-27-2010, 07:24 PM
What happens when you cross a county road?

You're fair game. Same if you are driving your cart on any road or cart path adjacent to a road.

bestmickey
10-27-2010, 07:27 PM
They have no authority on the multi-modal paths.

What if your cart is going 25 mph on a multi-modal path? Then it's not within the State's definition of a golf cart, and you shouldn't be on the multi-modal path. Result should be a ticket.

BogeyBoy
10-27-2010, 07:35 PM
What if your cart is going 25 mph on a multi-modal path? Then it's not within the State's definition of a golf cart, and you shouldn't be on the multi-modal path. Result should be a ticket.

Point well taken but I think the State's definition is referring to golf carts operated on public roadways. This probably is a matter that needs to be addressed by the CDD. Maybe turn the multi-modal paths over to the counties so they can have authority? Maybe have mandatory golf cart inspection and/or ID? If you are observed/clocked doing 25 your cart is impounded?

Okay, reality check. I would just hope people use some common sense and don't kill themselves or some innocent bystander.

But if the local government were to act: The CDD has state issued license plates on the Community Watch trucks that roam our neighborhoods. The CDD is a state recognized organization. If they can fine you for not mowing your lawn seems they should be able to do something about speeding golf carts.

Pturner
10-27-2010, 07:39 PM
Are there many accidents on the multi-nodal cart paths? Just curious.

bestmickey
10-27-2010, 07:44 PM
Bogie Shooter, where is it specifically written that police have no authority on multi-modal paths?

I could be wrong, but it was always my understanding that police can do their jobs anywhere within their city/village/county of employment.

Is it State law that the police have no authority on multi-modal paths? That means I can't be arrested if I commit a crime on a multi modal path?

BogeyBoy
10-27-2010, 07:46 PM
Are there many accidents on the multi-nodal cart paths? Just curious.

Of the ones I recall (and there weren't that many) most were the result of a medical condition, missing a curve, etc. Don't remember speeding ever being listed as a cause.

I personally know of three people that have had golf cart accidents. Two were medical. One was bad judgement and ran off the path. Two were taken to the hospital by ambulance. One just banged up, minor cuts and bruises. I support keeping it below 20 mph.

elevatorman
10-27-2010, 08:51 PM
I for one don't want the multi-model paths turned over to the county. If they are, anyone can use them. Next the executive courses then the rec centers. Just saying.

Indydealmaker
10-27-2010, 08:57 PM
If that statistic is correct, 80% of the golf carts are essentially uninsured.

Dougout
10-27-2010, 09:02 PM
Bogie Shooter, where is it specifically written that police have no authority on multi-modal paths?

I could be wrong, but it was always my understanding that police can do their jobs anywhere within their city/village/county of employment.

Is it State law that the police have no authority on multi-modal paths? That means I can't be arrested if I commit a crime on a multi modal path?

A traffic law will refer with specificity where it applies. Most traffic laws will state "highways" in their language or "roadway" or a few state "private property". You then have to refer to the Vehicle Code definations for those words to determine just what is a highway, roadway etc.

So some laws apply to highways, some roadways and some private property etc. I doubt that our rec paths fall into the definition of "highway" so any law that applies to a highway would not apply there. In order to determine what traffic laws if any can be enforced on our rec paths you need to consult a FL Vehicle Code. You would look at the definitions to see where our rec paths fall and then then look at the individual sections to see if they cover the type of roadway that the rec path is determined to be by definition.

I am using terms here from the PA Vehicle Code but the FL law would be similar.

BogeyBoy
10-27-2010, 09:20 PM
I for one don't want the multi-model paths turned over to the county. If they are, anyone can use them. Next the executive courses then the rec centers. Just saying.

So what stops "outsiders" from using the multi-modal paths now?

Larryandlinda
10-27-2010, 09:24 PM
I for one don't want the multi-model paths turned over to the county. If they are, anyone can use them. Next the executive courses then the rec centers. Just saying.

please help us here

What keeps 'anyone' and everyone' from using the paths now

cyclists from outside can and do use them, so can peds, dogs, carts....
Yes? No?

Thanks in advance

L and L

redwitch
10-27-2010, 11:18 PM
LnL -- So far as I know, the multimodal paths are open to anyone and anything except cars (even though they've been known to be seen on a path or two). I've shared the paths with bicycles of various types, scooters (not convinced they belong on the paths), walkers, runners, dogs, a cat on a halter and lead, a jogger pushing a wheelchair (occupied), other golf carts. So far, haven't seen a horse on the paths but I wouldn't be surprised if I did. I haven't asked any of these people if they were Village residents. I certainly haven't seen any sort of device where I would need to swipe my card to allow me access to a path. Given all of this, I doubt there is anything written that prohibits non-residents from using the paths.

bestmickey
10-28-2010, 12:11 AM
A traffic law will refer with specificity where it applies. Most traffic laws will state "highways" in their language or "roadway" or a few state "private property". You then have to refer to the Vehicle Code definations for those words to determine just what is a highway, roadway etc.

So some laws apply to highways, some roadways and some private property etc. I doubt that our rec paths fall into the definition of "highway" so any law that applies to a highway would not apply there. In order to determine what traffic laws if any can be enforced on our rec paths you need to consult a FL Vehicle Code. You would look at the definitions to see where our rec paths fall and then then look at the individual sections to see if they cover the type of roadway that the rec path is determined to be by definition.

I am using terms here from the PA Vehicle Code but the FL law would be similar.

I hear what you're saying, but I don't find your argument persuasive. Automobile laws are written addressing their operation being on "streets, roadways, and highways". So, you're saying that if I drive my automobile on a sidewalk or a multi-modal path within The Villages, the police can't give me a citation? I disagree.

It is partly defined in Florida statute that a "golf cart" is a motor vehicle that does not exceed 20 mph. Low speed vehicles (LSV) are also partly defined in Florida statute as going faster than 20 mph. Agreed? (If you want to see the specific citations, I can lead you to them). It's further stated in Florida statute that LSV's must be registered and can only be driven by licensed drivers. Go to: http://laws.flrules.org/1999/163. If the link doesn't work cut/paste the address into your browser.

See Section 316.2122 (1) (which I cut/pasted here)

"(1) A low-speed vehicle may be operated only on streets where the posted speed limit is 35 miles per hour or less. This does not prohibit a low-speed vehicle from crossing a road or street at an intersection where the road or street has a posted speed limit of more than 35 miles per hour."

I put the first sentence in bold, but the operative word in the sentence is "only". An LSV may be operated only on streets where the posted speed limit is 35 miles per hour or less.

My read of this statute indicates I can not legally operate my LSV on a sidewalk or multi-modal path.

I'm not a lawyer, but in my work life I had to frequently reference Civil Service Law and many union contracts. Therefore, I tend to refer to laws and other legal agreements when I have confusion or question issues.

Since Bogie Shooter and others on this forum have frequently stated that the police "have no authority" on the multi-modal paths, and since I don't understand why that is so, I looked up some laws.

Please note that I'm not commenting on what is (in my opinion) a reasonable or safe speed limit in a golf cart. I'm sticking with the laws, which are binding.

I could be wrong. I readily acknowledge I'm never right 100% of the time.

I ask that Bogie Shooter and/or others show me in Florida law where it states that the police have "no authority on multi-modal paths". I'm ready to be corrected.

thistrucksforyou
10-28-2010, 04:34 AM
Give me a break, as a ret. member of a large city police dept. is that all they have to do? Jesus, we were just trying to stay alive at the end of the shift.
Gonna hassle golf cart drivers, what rookies:evil6:I agree totally...Of all the things the police have to worry about, golf cart saftey is at the top of there list ?

l2ridehd
10-28-2010, 05:12 AM
Sounds to me like this police department has to much money to spend if they can buy golf carts. Also seems to me that as voters we should control that budget. Sounds to me like we have the wrong elected officials representing us as they are approving these excess budgets. Shouldn't that be the place to start? I would think as a voting group we have the ability to control how our tax money is spent. So follow the money and this issue can be resolved.

ajbrown
10-28-2010, 05:19 AM
See Section 316.2122 (1) (which I cut/pasted here)

"(1) A low-speed vehicle may be operated only on streets where the posted speed limit is 35 miles per hour or less. This does not prohibit a low-speed vehicle from crossing a road or street at an intersection where the road or street has a posted speed limit of more than 35 miles per hour."

I put the first sentence in bold, but the operative word in the sentence is "only". An LSV may be operated only on streets where the posted speed limit is 35 miles per hour or less.

My read of this statute indicates I can not legally operate my LSV on a sidewalk or multi-modal path.
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I ask that Bogie Shooter and/or others show me in Florida law where it states that the police have "no authority on multi-modal paths". I'm ready to be corrected.

Here is something I found in an old Villages Voice issue with regards to enforcement on multi modal paths. This comes from The Villages Voice at: http://thevha.net/the-villages-voice?op=3&issue=14&article=288

Question: What enforcement functions can Community Watch perform, such as trespassing, soliciting, and improper use of golf carts? Where can law enforcement issue tickets to violators (on streets only or cart paths and streets)?

Answer: Community Watch is The Villages eyes and ears, but has no law enforcement authority. CW aggressively pursues solicitors and closely cooperates with local law enforcement on other issues. Tickets may be issued on city and county roads (used by golf carts). Law enforcement cannot issue speeding tickets on multi modal trails (cart paths), but can ticket reckless driving (which could include speeding) on the cart paths.

It really clears things up about speeding tickets doesn't it :a20:? It does seem to indicate that speeding alone on a multi modal path is NOT an issue law enforcement would deal with.

As far as LSV laws, here is the actual statute:
316.2122 Operation of a low-speed vehicle on certain roadways.--The operation of a low-speed vehicle, as defined in s. 320.01(42), on any road as defined in s. 334.03(15) or (33), is authorized with the following restrictions: Item 1 which you quote is a limitation to that statute. The purpose of statute is not to define the only places an LSV can drive, but is written to ALLOW an LSV to drive on roadways.

I do not find a set of rules for what is allowed on multi modal paths? What is to prevent a Smart Car?

Talk Host
10-28-2010, 07:14 AM
I'm curious why some people are so dead set against the police enforcing golf cart laws. I am also curious why anybody would think that enforcing such laws is "as the top of their list."

Does anybody think that everybody in this community obeys all of the laws all of the time? Police in big cities focus their attention on the offenses that disturb the peace in big cities. Police in communities like the Villages, attend to offenses that disturb the peace in communities like The Villages. Comparing The Villages policing to "big city" policing is unfair.

When would it be acceptable for police to begin enforcing speeding and safety laws on golf carts? When half of us alter them to go 30....40....45? What do you suppose would happen it there was absolutely no enforcement?

When 10% of us do? Why was 19.5 miles per hour selected as the top speed? Could it have anything to do with our safety?

There are tons of people who think that it's unfair for police to give speeding tickets for exceeding the limit in their cars. I wonder why states like Florida have a "Highway Patrol" that is dedicated specifically to enforcement of traffic laws. Could it have anything to do with our safety?

It's interesting that people scream about laws that are passed and are unenforced. Then they scream when laws are passed, then enforced.

Anytime you get two or more people together in one place, you need police.

One has to wonder why some people are so adamantly against cart safey enforcement. Every country in the world has police to enforce its laws because without them, people break the laws. Don't forget, residents are not the only ones who drive carts here. There are kids, grandkids and visitors.

None of these are from the Villages, but they are people. Just like people who live here.

http://i117.photobucket.com/albums/o69/talkofthevillages/golfcartcrash_t607.jpg

http://www.break.com/index/golf-cart-back-flip.html

http://www.bofunk.com/video/5851/drunk_chic_golf_cart_accident.html

Tom Hannon
10-28-2010, 07:28 AM
In that above picture. Is that a golf cart or a lawn mower?

ajbrown
10-28-2010, 07:52 AM
TalkHost, That is an amazing picture. Do you know the details of what caused that damage?

Dougout
10-28-2010, 08:09 AM
I hear what you're saying, but I don't find your argument persuasive. Automobile laws are written addressing their operation being on "streets, roadways, and highways". So, you're saying that if I drive my automobile on a sidewalk or a multi-modal path within The Villages, the police can't give me a citation? I disagree.

It is partly defined in Florida statute that a "golf cart" is a motor vehicle that does not exceed 20 mph. Low speed vehicles (LSV) are also partly defined in Florida statute as going faster than 20 mph. Agreed? (If you want to see the specific citations, I can lead you to them). It's further stated in Florida statute that LSV's must be registered and can only be driven by licensed drivers. Go to: http://laws.flrules.org/1999/163. If the link doesn't work cut/paste the address into your browser.

See Section 316.2122 (1) (which I cut/pasted here)

"(1) A low-speed vehicle may be operated only on streets where the posted speed limit is 35 miles per hour or less. This does not prohibit a low-speed vehicle from crossing a road or street at an intersection where the road or street has a posted speed limit of more than 35 miles per hour."

I put the first sentence in bold, but the operative word in the sentence is "only". An LSV may be operated only on streets where the posted speed limit is 35 miles per hour or less.

My read of this statute indicates I can not legally operate my LSV on a sidewalk or multi-modal path.

I'm not a lawyer, but in my work life I had to frequently reference Civil Service Law and many union contracts. Therefore, I tend to refer to laws and other legal agreements when I have confusion or question issues.

Since Bogie Shooter and others on this forum have frequently stated that the police "have no authority" on the multi-modal paths, and since I don't understand why that is so, I looked up some laws.

Please note that I'm not commenting on what is (in my opinion) a reasonable or safe speed limit in a golf cart. I'm sticking with the laws, which are binding.

I could be wrong. I readily acknowledge I'm never right 100% of the time.

I ask that Bogie Shooter and/or others show me in Florida law where it states that the police have "no authority on multi-modal paths". I'm ready to be corrected.

I Made no argument. I only explained how the law is applied and at no time did I indicate that no laws apply to golf carts on rec trails. There may be specific laws regulating golf carts on rec trails but I have no idea what they may be. An example could be the prohibition of operating while under the influence.

What I am saying is that the vast amount of vehicle laws do not apply in that they were written to apply to cars and trucks on highways. Generally speaking any public street is a highway.

Perhaps an easy way to resolve all this is for someone to call the Sumter County Sheriff Department and ask them this question. What specific laws regulate the operation of golf carts on the rec trails in The Villages?

mulligan
10-28-2010, 08:16 AM
From the viewpoint of a gonnabe outsider, Wouldn't the deputies need to respond to a complaint from the owner of the cart trails/multimodal paths because they are private property??

dillywho
10-28-2010, 09:12 AM
Everyone seems to be forgetting the most important thing:

Being able to operate our golf carts for getting around anywhere other than the golf courses only is a privilege and not a right which the state can rescind at any time. When that happens, then we can all: either rent carts at the courses; store your cart for a fee at one course like some country clubs around the country; purchase a trailer and haul it to whichever course to be played that day; drive your car everywhere else and/or use alternate transportation.

Check out some of the other retirement communities and you will see what I mean. Hot Springs Village in AK comes to mind...we used to own property there and that's how it was. You also had to pay to play all the courses and had to join the only country club they had to be able to play there.

We've got it great, folks. Let's not mess it up.

iandwk
10-28-2010, 09:46 AM
What if your cart is going 25 mph on a multi-modal path? Then it's not within the State's definition of a golf cart, and you shouldn't be on the multi-modal path. Result should be a ticket.

According to a Sumter County policeman at the golf cart safety seminar last week, there is no speed limit on the multi-modal paths.

bestmickey
10-28-2010, 09:49 AM
Did he also tell you that the multi-modal paths are for golf carts? They can only go 20 mph or less, per State law.

Did he also specifically tell you that the multi-modal paths are for LSVs? They go more than 20 mph, per State law.

iandwk
10-28-2010, 09:52 AM
Sounds to me like this police department has to much money to spend if they can buy golf carts. Also seems to me that as voters we should control that budget. Sounds to me like we have the wrong elected officials representing us as they are approving these excess budgets. Shouldn't that be the place to start? I would think as a voting group we have the ability to control how our tax money is spent. So follow the money and this issue can be resolved.

Someone correct me if I am wrong. I think I read somewhere that the VHA donated the golf carts to the police.

red tail
10-28-2010, 09:54 AM
Did he also tell you that the multi-modal paths are for golf carts? They can only go 20 mph or less, per State law.

Did he also specifically tell you that the multi-modal paths are for LSVs? They go more than 20 mph, per State law.

whats that have to do with anything. my car will go 140mph...doesnt mean i do it!

Bogie Shooter
10-28-2010, 09:57 AM
I hear what you're saying, but I don't find your argument persuasive. Automobile laws are written addressing their operation being on "streets, roadways, and highways". So, you're saying that if I drive my automobile on a sidewalk or a multi-modal path within The Villages, the police can't give me a citation? I disagree.

It is partly defined in Florida statute that a "golf cart" is a motor vehicle that does not exceed 20 mph. Low speed vehicles (LSV) are also partly defined in Florida statute as going faster than 20 mph. Agreed? (If you want to see the specific citations, I can lead you to them). It's further stated in Florida statute that LSV's must be registered and can only be driven by licensed drivers. Go to: http://laws.flrules.org/1999/163. If the link doesn't work cut/paste the address into your browser.

See Section 316.2122 (1) (which I cut/pasted here)

"(1) A low-speed vehicle may be operated only on streets where the posted speed limit is 35 miles per hour or less. This does not prohibit a low-speed vehicle from crossing a road or street at an intersection where the road or street has a posted speed limit of more than 35 miles per hour."

I put the first sentence in bold, but the operative word in the sentence is "only". An LSV may be operated only on streets where the posted speed limit is 35 miles per hour or less.

My read of this statute indicates I can not legally operate my LSV on a sidewalk or multi-modal path.

I'm not a lawyer, but in my work life I had to frequently reference Civil Service Law and many union contracts. Therefore, I tend to refer to laws and other legal agreements when I have confusion or question issues.

Since Bogie Shooter and others on this forum have frequently stated that the police "have no authority" on the multi-modal paths, and since I don't understand why that is so, I looked up some laws.

Please note that I'm not commenting on what is (in my opinion) a reasonable or safe speed limit in a golf cart. I'm sticking with the laws, which are binding.

I could be wrong. I readily acknowledge I'm never right 100% of the time.

I ask that Bogie Shooter and/or others show me in Florida law where it states that the police have "no authority on multi-modal paths". I'm ready to be corrected.

The officer in charge of the Sumter County Sherriff's annex on Morse Blvd. stated in an article in the Daily Sun, that they had no authority to arrest speeders on the paths. You might want to call the annex to verify the Sherriffs' position. 352-330-1383

bestmickey
10-28-2010, 09:58 AM
whats that have to do with anything. my car will go 140mph...doesnt mean i do it!

Right. My car will too. So can a motorcycle. But, you can't drive those on the multi-modal paths either. Neither can an LSV which needs to be registered and have a license plate on it, just like a car or a motorcycle.

red tail
10-28-2010, 10:03 AM
Right. My car will too. So can a motorcycle. But, you can't drive those on the multi-modal paths either. Neither can an LSV which needs to be registered and have a license plate on it, just like a car or a motorcycle.

i have a tomberlin and its licensed and insured and all those necessary things. and i also occasionally drive on the paths. ie......in heavy traffic areas where the cars speed along. im often passed ny golf carts so dont be so quick to say bad about lsvs!

EdV
10-28-2010, 10:10 AM
Here’s my take on the situation:

1. LSV’s on paths. If street legal carts could only drive on streets, they couldn’t drive in parking lots, but neither could automobiles.

2. Driving > than 20mph on paths. They cannot nail you with the “unregistered vehicle” law because it applies only when you’re on a public roadway that allows golf carts.

3. Authority on the paths. They cannot issue citations for violations of laws written for public roadways, but that doesn’t mean they have no authority at all. I have a whacky relative who was arrested for assault with a dangerous weapon when she tried to run down a cop with her car in a parking lot.

bestmickey
10-28-2010, 10:12 AM
The officer in charge of the Sumter County Sherriff's annex on Morse Blvd. stated in an article in the Daily Sun, that they had no authority to arrest speeders on the paths. You might want to call the annex to verify the Sherriffs' position. 352-330-1383


I stand corrected! I just spoke with Lt. Wolfe (?sp) and he said LSVs can drive on the paths and that there is no speed limit on the paths.

So, have at it!

(Edit, perhaps I should say that I asked those two specific questions, to get those two specific responses.)

iandwk
10-28-2010, 10:14 AM
Did he also tell you that the multi-modal paths are for golf carts? They can only go 20 mph or less, per State law.

Did he also specifically tell you that the multi-modal paths are for LSVs? They go more than 20 mph, per State law.

My assumption is the term "multi-modal" allows several different ways for the paths to be used. It is not illegal for a lsv to use these paths. I know GEM cars can use them, as well as street-legal par cars and others that fit the laws definition of street-legal. Since they can legally operate on these paths and there is no speed limit on them, the logical conclusion is they can go as fast as they are capable of going. Common sense and safety has to be used by all of us, no matter what we are doing on the paths. I have yet to see someone driving carelessly or behaving foolishly, though of course it happens. I get passed by the lsv's occasionally and it doesn't bother me, and it also doesn't bother me for them to have to slow down behind me. If it were a large problem we would be in danger of losing the privilege.

Mostly what the police are concerned with, and what they write most of their tickets for, is for a golf cart that is not street-legal going 25mph or greater, therefore operating as a lsv without wipers, improper suspension, no seat belts, etc. If one is doing this, then one is operating without proper insurance. They will require the guilty party to have their carts adjusted to legal parameters and pay a court cost of 253 bucks. They don't catch many others for illegally operating, such as dui or reckless driving, but they do catch the occasional violator. See this thread for some statistics: https://www.talkofthevillages.com/forums/showthread.php?t=32752

Pookirgirl
10-28-2010, 10:27 AM
Well.. don't you all know that all of The Villagers are rich?? The towns don't earn enough money from us so now they are going to nickel and dime us with going a few miles over the speed limit! Cut me a break. They should be patrolling neighborhoods and parking lots for vandals etc.

ajbrown
10-28-2010, 10:39 AM
Is there a list of what methods of transport can use the paths? I have never seen it and am curious. As I asked earlier, if a Smart Car is the size of some larger golf carts can it use the multi modal paths?

Logic would say no, but :shrug:

BogeyBoy
10-28-2010, 10:45 AM
Well.. don't you all know that all of The Villagers are rich?? The towns don't earn enough money from us so now they are going to nickel and dime us with going a few miles over the speed limit! Cut me a break. They should be patrolling neighborhoods and parking lots for vandals etc.

I have a different take on this subject -

The sheriff's department is getting complaints about dangerous operation of golf carts. The majority of those complaints probably involve speeds unsafe for the conditions. There are accidents that validate the complaints. So they put a plan together to address the situation and it includes more monitoring of golf cart operation on the multi-modal paths, and everywhere else. The golf cart they are using is simply a tool for more effective enforcement.

This is just my opinion but it makes sense. If there are a bunch of break-ins in a neighborhood (which we have had here in TV) the sheriff steps up the patrols in that area. If they get complaints about speeders they appear with the radar. We had a neighbor complain about everyone running the stop sign in front of their house, next thing you know the sheriff was issuing tickets.

Part of the sheriff's job is to protect us. If they see a situation that is potential harmful they do what they have to do.

If they make a few $$$ in the process I don't consider it a nickel and dime operation.

redwitch
10-28-2010, 10:48 AM
Sorry, I think the speeders are something that should be handled by our local sheriffs. Have you ever seen a cart that has lost control at a corner? How about a golf cart darting into traffic to pass a cart going the legal limit on Morse? How about a cart being hit by a car because the cart didn't feel like stopping at the stop sign? I've seen all of this, including an incident where the golf cart driver was killed after she lost control of her cart.

Police officers are not just there to protect property. They are there to save lives. Law enforcement officers really and truly would prefer to not issue tickets and really and truly would prefer to catch those who are vandalizing, burglarizing, dealing in drugs and so on.

I love to drive fast. I've been known to drive down Highway 5 in California doing over 100 mph. However, I won't delibertately speed on city streets. I don't know what's going to jump out or be around the next cornerr. I do go over 20 mph in my golf cart. If I get pulled over for speeding in it, I won't argue the ticket -- I'll have deserved it, just as if I were doing my definition of cruising in California.

Speeding can be very dangerous. Reckless driving is always dangerous. A police-owned golf cart would be a deterrent to speeding -- you slow down on the highway when you see a police car; you'll slow down in your golf cart when you see a police cart. It would certainly serve its purpose in that regard. Also, there are some parts of TV where it would be easier to catch a wrong-doer in a cart than in a car. As to speeding tickets being a money-maker for the counties, of course they are, but there's a real simple solution if you don't want to add to the coffers of Sumter County: DON'T SPEED!

red tail
10-28-2010, 10:55 AM
Well.. don't you all know that all of The Villagers are rich?? The towns don't earn enough money from us so now they are going to nickel and dime us with going a few miles over the speed limit! Cut me a break. They should be patrolling neighborhoods and parking lots for vandals etc.

im with you!!! i think some of these posters are the same people who do 25 mph in the left lane.

chacam
10-28-2010, 11:38 AM
Sorry, I think the speeders are something that should be handled by our local sheriffs. Have you ever seen a cart that has lost control at a corner? How about a golf cart darting into traffic to pass a cart going the legal limit on Morse? How about a cart being hit by a car because the cart didn't feel like stopping at the stop sign? I've seen all of this, including an incident where the golf cart driver was killed after she lost control of her cart.

Were the accidents that you have seen caused by speed or stupidity ? You can't legislate stupidity !

Taltarzac
10-28-2010, 11:43 AM
Sorry, I think the speeders are something that should be handled by our local sheriffs. Have you ever seen a cart that has lost control at a corner? How about a golf cart darting into traffic to pass a cart going the legal limit on Morse? How about a cart being hit by a car because the cart didn't feel like stopping at the stop sign? I've seen all of this, including an incident where the golf cart driver was killed after she lost control of her cart.

Police officers are not just there to protect property. They are there to save lives. Law enforcement officers really and truly would prefer to not issue tickets and really and truly would prefer to catch those who are vandalizing, burglarizing, dealing in drugs and so on.

I love to drive fast. I've been known to drive down Highway 5 in California doing over 100 mph. However, I won't delibertately speed on city streets. I don't know what's going to jump out or be around the next cornerr. I do go over 20 mph in my golf cart. If I get pulled over for speeding in it, I won't argue the ticket -- I'll have deserved it, just as if I were doing my definition of cruising in California.

Speeding can be very dangerous. Reckless driving is always dangerous. A police-owned golf cart would be a deterrent to speeding -- you slow down on the highway when you see a police car; you'll slow down in your golf cart when you see a police cart. It would certainly serve its purpose in that regard. Also, there are some parts of TV where it would be easier to catch a wrong-doer in a cart than in a car. As to speeding tickets being a money-maker for the counties, of course they are, but there's a real simple solution if you don't want to add to the coffers of Sumter County: DON'T SPEED!

I believe some kind of low speed vehicle nabbed the alleged paint ball vandal in Lady Lake a few weeks ago.

redwitch
10-28-2010, 11:48 AM
Were the accidents that you have seen caused by speed or stupidity ? You can't legislate stupidity !

All incidents I mentioned definitely had speed as a major factor. Stupidity was definitely part of the cause of one accident where the cart was in such a hurry to pass another cart that it darted into the road right in front of a car.

bogart
10-28-2010, 12:04 PM
Well said, Red. Also agree with an earlier post by Talk Host.

iandwk
10-28-2010, 12:19 PM
I believe some kind of low speed vehicle nabbed the alleged paint ball vandal in Lady Lake a few weeks ago.

I think you're correct. It was a low speed chase.

Sorry, couldn't resist.

I think one point that people are missing when they complain about the police catching golf carts that are speeding is that the cart has to have been altered in some way in order to travel that fast. This nullifies the insurance coverage. An Allstate agent said that the first thing they check when one of their insured 20mph golf cars is involved in an accident is to see if it was altered to go faster. If so, end of coverage. All the damage to property and human becomes the responsibility of the golf cart owner. There goes your retirement and your lifestyle, possibly. If you insist on driving 25 mph, get a street legal cart so you can be insured, imho.

There are altered carts out there, but I don't think it is 80% like someone said earlier. I rented a house before buying that came with a gas Yamaha. I found everyone to be going slower then me, so I took my gps to test the speed. Top speed was 27mph. My first thought was, I gotta get one like this. Then I found out about the laws here and decided to stay legal.

paulandjean
10-28-2010, 01:21 PM
I believe that the police should spend more time fighting real crime. I believe this golf cart issue in nonsense.Police love this job here. Overheard two county officer two years ago talking, they where making fun of the whole village area. Police cannot transfer here fast enough.Overheard this.

iandwk
10-28-2010, 02:11 PM
I believe that the police should spend more time fighting real crime. I believe this golf cart issue in nonsense.Police love this job here. Overheard two county officer two years ago talking, they where making fun of the whole village area. Police cannot transfer here fast enough.Overheard this.

If I were a policeman I would love a post in TV.

Also I don't think there is really an issue with golf carts. Sorry for disagreeing, but the issue is the discussion on this forum. Out in TV, I don't see a problem. All villagers are free to do what they want with their carts. If we get caught doing something illegal, we knew we were taking the chance, just like when I drive 80 on the interstate. I have yet to be ticketed, but if I ever am, I can't argue with a ticket for doing 80 in a 70 zone. I think 64 tickets in 2 months with 80,000 people is pretty tame.

Indydealmaker
10-28-2010, 05:39 PM
I think I see a Television Series coming. . . It's all about a vigilante who drives a blacked out golf cart with a radar camera stealthily mounted out of plain site. The vigilante posts photos of scofflaws on a website for insurance companies to peruse at their leisure. Everybody tries to catch him, but he always disappears into his cart cave submerged in Lake Sumter.

iandwk
10-29-2010, 07:31 AM
I think I see a Television Series coming. . . It's all about a vigilante who drives a blacked out golf cart with a radar camera stealthily mounted out of plain site. The vigilante posts photos of scofflaws on a website for insurance companies to peruse at their leisure. Everybody tries to catch him, but he always disappears into his cart cave submerged in Lake Sumter.

I can see it all in my mind. I see a police golf cart with a flashing blue light chasing an old geezer along the multi-modal trails. The policeman doesn't have a siren, so he is imitating one by wailing at the top of his lungs as he drives along. He finally gives up and gets off his cart and chases the perp down on foot by running across the road while the old geezer is going through a tunnel. When the old man comes out of the tunnel, the policeman jumps on the cart and snatches the key from the ignition, so he finally catches the 95 year old man. He attempts to administer a test for dui, but the old geezer doesn't have the lung capacity necessary to blow through a breathalyzer, so he takes him away chained to the police cart. A bunch of Villagers picket the courthouse claiming the police are guilty of abuse against senior citizens. It comes out in the trial that the cart was manufactured by Toyota (under the guise of Yamaha) and the man couldn't slow it down. He tells the court of the nightmare he endured going at speeds of up to 25mph, so he gets set free and Toyota has to recall all the golf carts and many villagers are without transportation.

Sorry, I got carried away with the story. I watch too much television.

Bill-n-Brillo
10-29-2010, 07:52 AM
iandwk - Still havin' those nasty ol' "flashbacks" from the '60s, eh? :1rotfl:

Bill

Taltarzac
10-29-2010, 07:54 AM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fLexbuAPggU&feature=related

Larryandlinda
10-29-2010, 08:32 AM
(RE: youtube police cart posting)

too much time and wayyy too much money somewhere

most of you retired lawmen know what it costs to upfit police vehicles

back in the 60's, a DC police Harley needed a special radio and the bike was as much or even more bottom line cost as the big Ford Gaslaxie, Chevy Impaila, or Dodge Coponet (sic)
Unless it was a DIY, that copcart could be well into the five figures, especially if it has the interceptor motor!

TV is the perfect place for police or Community Watch on bicycles.
The mobility and ability to go anywhere is perfect, the cost is way less than a week's pay. Bicycles can sneak around, go right up to and through any door into a building (few multi story structures in TV) and provide exercise. Of course the ecological aspect is a plus.

One of the few issues with police bicycle units is the heat and discomfort of the vests, which are getting lighter and more breathable, but that garment does not seem necessary in TV, as the incidence of armed offenses seems nil

As far as speed, a trained bicycle officer can keep up with the legal path sart limit for a long enough time to perform most duties.

If not, they can call for back up with the cruiser cart.

That reminds us of the old cartoon:
the policeman on the verge of dismissal bemoans "I could get demoted to the Staten Island Ferry"
and of course the proverbial iconic demotion to crossing guard.
The cart is at least a step ahead of those

L and L

iandwk
10-29-2010, 05:42 PM
iandwk - Still havin' those nasty ol' "flashbacks" from the '60s, eh? :1rotfl:

60's? I don't think I was around for that decade.

Bill-n-Brillo
10-29-2010, 06:57 PM
60's? I don't think I was around for that decade.
:-) My recollections of those years are rather vague as well........

Bill

par
11-16-2010, 12:44 PM
Just more BS we have to put up with:22yikes:

Bogie Shooter
11-16-2010, 01:15 PM
Just more BS we have to put up with:22yikes:

You must really like it here.

2BNTV
11-16-2010, 01:26 PM
If the police bicycles have baskets, then it reminds of the comedian who said,
"if they arrest you, do they put you in the basket". :jester::laugh:

BlueHeronFan
11-17-2010, 09:08 AM
Lately I have noticed that nearly half of all the white stop or cart only post on the trails seem to have been run into with some damaged to the point of completely bent over.

Now that happens only when somebody does not have complete control of their golf cart.

I have seen some of these damaged, replaced, and right away, damaged again.

Bill-n-Brillo
11-17-2010, 09:13 AM
Lately I have noticed that nearly half of all the white stop or cart only post on the trails seem to have been run into with some damaged to the point of completely bent over.

Now that happens only when somebody does not have complete control of their golf cart.

I have seen some of these damaged, replaced, and right away, damaged again.

I've noticed the same thing as well. Perhaps a few too many "beverages of choice" on the Squares at night....then trying to make it back to the house afterwards? :)

Bill

Mvtroutman
11-17-2010, 10:03 AM
I hope not more than 20MPH - isn't that the top spead for a golf cart. HA HA