Gas so $$$

[CFrance]

Sorry for the cuss word.

[tophcfa]

And going up higher. Erggggg, I have to drive the gas hungry pickup truck on the 1,360 mile trek back north in a couple weeks, that’s gonna hurt. Besides filling up the golf cart, I haven’t seen a gas pump since I tanked up the truck in Altoona, FL on January 3rd.

[asianthree]

Last time the convertible needed gas, price was $3.12. Both cars still have half tank, so good to go until sometime in April

[Topspinmo]

Sorry for the cuss word.

Price oil under 100 bucks now. Funny how price goes instantly at pump but takes weeks or months to come back down. Gas at pump should be less than 3.50 gallon, but the greed don’t work that way.

Crude Oil Prices Today | Brent and WTI Price Charts (https://www.dailyfx.com/crude-oil)

[OrangeBlossomBaby]

Price oil under 100 bucks now. Funny how price goes instantly at pump but takes weeks or months to come back down. Gas at pump should be less than 3.50 gallon, but the greed don’t work that way.

Crude Oil Prices Today | Brent and WTI Price Charts (https://www.dailyfx.com/crude-oil)

When I left to visit family out of town on Friday, I had to pay $4.59/gallon to top off the tank before getting on the highway.

When I returned yesterday, I saw the same station showing $4.25/gallon.

It's not optimal for sure. I'd love to see gas prices lowered. Heck I'd do a big happy dance and buy everyone a round at the bar if prices got down under $2/gallon.

But as long as people rely on oil, the oil refineries will have us by the cajones. There's absolutely zilch anyone can do about it OTHER than start encouraging and using alternative energy sources.

[Bjeanj]

We drove up to Homosassa Springs today-first time I’ve been off-campus for awhile. I feel bad for anyone who has a Diesel engine. It was around $4.59/gal.

BTW CFrance, funny meme. : - )

[Mrprez]

When I left to visit family out of town on Friday, I had to pay $4.59/gallon to top off the tank before getting on the highway.

When I returned yesterday, I saw the same station showing $4.25/gallon.

It's not optimal for sure. I'd love to see gas prices lowered. Heck I'd do a big happy dance and buy everyone a round at the bar if prices got down under $2/gallon.

But as long as people rely on oil, the oil refineries will have us by the cajones. There's absolutely zilch anyone can do about it OTHER than start encouraging and using alternative energy sources.

Alternative is great for going to the grocery store. We like to travel. Big trips. As in driving from here to Alaska and back. No way to do that in a battery powered car.

[Michael G.]

FYI, If you people not driving your vehicle for weeks on end or driving short trips because of gas prices,
put your battery on a trickle charger to keep it charged up.

[davem4616]

good one...thanks for the laugh

reminded me of Rodney Dangerfield's brand of humor

[Rodneysblue]

Sorry for the cuss word.

🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣

[Speedie]

As John Lennon might say

“Imagine” if our Gov would promote and subsidize oil drilling, speed up building transportation pipelines, and invest in technology to convert coal to a clean fuel.
Gas would be $1 gallon and home gas and elec bills would drop.

Inflation would be history, national debt soon paid back from energy export sales, and the USA would be the energy powerhouse of the world for the next 100 years.

[BlackHarley]

We drove up to Homosassa Springs today-first time I’ve been off-campus for awhile. I feel bad for anyone who has a Diesel engine. It was around $4.59/gal.

BTW CFrance, funny meme. : - )

I paid $4.89 at the pump yesterday. Big ouch that Prep H couldn't help.

[Jgabriele]

With these gas prices even Tom Brady is going back to work!🤣😂

[banjobob]

Remembering it all just two years ago .

[Remembergoldenrule]

Gas prices are so high Tom Brady had to go back to work! :)

[DaleDivine]

Is it true, Tom Brady had to go back to work so he could fill up his gas guzzlers???
:1rotfl::1rotfl::1rotfl:

[jdulej]

I'm looking forward to all the "Thanks Brandon" comments when gas settles back to its normal price range, having adjusted for the pandemic, supply gridlock, Russian invasion, etc.

[thevillages2013]

Paid $5.29 /gallon for rec gas (non-ethanol) last week. I don’t use it in my golf cart but in my lawn mower , edger, blower and trimmer. Bad time to realize I was almost out of gas. Good thing I only needed three gallons. I use rec gas in my generator so hoping prices moderate before hurricane season!

[donassaid]

Instead of filling up my golf cart for $8, it cost $18 last week. I guess elections do have consequences don't they?

[crash]

Price oil under 100 bucks now. Funny how price goes instantly at pump but takes weeks or months to come back down. Gas at pump should be less than 3.50 gallon, but the greed don’t work that way.

Crude Oil Prices Today | Brent and WTI Price Charts (https://www.dailyfx.com/crude-oil)

Sorry not the way it works and not greed. The stations bought the gas when it was high and have to sell it for the higher cost until they have depleted that inventory. Gas goes up and down with the cost of oil but it is slower to respond to drops. The oil suppliers control the price by controlling supply not the gas stations.

[Sandy and Ed]

And going up higher. Erggggg, I have to drive the gas hungry pickup truck on the 1,360 mile trek back north in a couple weeks, that’s gonna hurt. Besides filling up the golf cart, I haven’t seen a gas pump since I tanked up the truck in Altoona, FL on January 3rd.
Solution; sell “up north” and stay here!

[Sandy and Ed]

When I left to visit family out of town on Friday, I had to pay $4.59/gallon to top off the tank before getting on the highway.

When I returned yesterday, I saw the same station showing $4.25/gallon.

It's not optimal for sure. I'd love to see gas prices lowered. Heck I'd do a big happy dance and buy everyone a round at the bar if prices got down under $2/gallon.

But as long as people rely on oil, the oil refineries will have us by the cajones. There's absolutely zilch anyone can do about it OTHER than start encouraging and using alternative energy sources.
…….or simply use our own, American, available but, now, underutilized energy sources until those other energy solutions become a reality

[billethkid]

…….or simply use our own, American, available but, now, underutilized energy sources until those other energy solutions become a reality

bee-eye-en-gee-ohh!

[B-flat]

Solution; sell “up north” and stay here!

No too hot here in the summer! Last trip we made from north to south cost (1325 Miles) us about $105. Come this May I'm guesstimating it could run as high based on $7 per gallon, time will tell. The good news is here based on how little we use our van it's about $15 per week.

[Sandy and Ed]

Gas prices are so high Tom Brady had to go back to work! :)
Gee. Wouldn’t that be great. But no, wait, wasn’t that what we were in the process of doing up until last year? Oh yeah. Must have been the Covid-19.

[PersonOfInterest]

Sorry for the cuss word.

If that bothers you, don't go to Lowe's and buy any Lumber. A standard 2 x 4 that was $3.28 is now $7.94!

[OhioBuckeye]

Personally I don’t think we’ll ever see $2. a gal. no matter who gets in charge. Those days are over!

[mike1946]

USA Prices still half of those in the UK - spare a thought for us !!

[Priebehouse]

Exxon made 84% profit last year. The others made no less than 38%. All from exporting cheaper U.S. oil and selling more expensive imported oil to us. Too bad we can't all go to a "Mom & Pop" American refinery to get gas.

[me4vt]

Imagine if We were still digging Coal and Drilling Oil wells like We use to do! More people would be working and America would be thriving….. We’d be an Energy Independent nation again!!!



As John Lennon might say

“Imagine” if our Gov would promote and subsidize oil drilling, speed up building transportation pipelines, and invest in technology to convert coal to a clean fuel.
Gas would be $1 gallon and home gas and elec bills would drop.

Inflation would be history, national debt soon paid back from energy export sales, and the USA would be the energy powerhouse of the world for the next 100 years.

[Keefelane66]

imagine if we were still digging coal and drilling oil wells like we use to do! More people would be working and america would be thriving….. We’d be an energy independent nation again!!!
dreamer

[Andyb]

Sorry, over $100 today, going back up

[forebubba]

Instead of filling up my golf cart for $8, it cost $18 last week. I guess elections do have consequences don't they?

As far as gas prices go, elections have no effect. What your saying is one elected person has control of the worlds gas prices. At least we still have a democracy....for now

[Proveone]

Sorry for the cuss word.
Buy an electric car/cart!

[Joe C.]

Fuel prices can only go so high before the majority of us will be unable to pay those prices. Then the energy companies won't be making what they want, so they will lower the prices to the point that we all start buying again. Prices will pretty much stabilize, but at what point, I don't know.

Trying to make a simplistic explanation without getting into complicated economics.

[fdpaq0580]

Buy an electric car/cart!

Electric sure is becoming more attractive as fuel prices soar. 🚗🚙🚲 ⛽⛽⛽

[kkingston57]

Last time the convertible needed gas, price was $3.12. Both cars still have half tank, so good to go until sometime in April

You are ahead of the game. Gas at Sam's on 3/15 was <$3.00 a gallon.

[OrangeBlossomBaby]

Alternative is great for going to the grocery store. We like to travel. Big trips. As in driving from here to Alaska and back. No way to do that in a battery powered car.

Correct! But most of your driving throughout the year doesn't involve driving to Alaska and back. Most of it involves going to the store, going to neighborhoods in the Villages, going to restaurants, going to the doctor, going to the museum or library, going to rec centers, and all kinds of other things in and around the community you live in.

Don't forget that gasoline isn't the only thing petroleum is used for. All those plastic bags from the supermarket? If you're not re-using them for something, then buy some washable re-useable tote bags and use those for your groceries instead. Buying small bottles of water by the case? How about buy a decent thermos and buy the water by the 1-gallon jug instead. If you're strong enough, buy the 2.5 gallon jugs.

No, it's not a lot of savings. But imagine if everyone used their "freedom of choice" to reducing (rather than the pie in the sky eliminating) their petroleum use by even that little.

The oil companies might think "hm - not so many people wanting this product anymore. Maybe we could branch out and come up with other products to market to energy consumers."

[Ashley from UK]

What are you all winging about?

$4/$5 a gallon that's sooooo CHEAP.

Over the pond, the price is already c$8.68 per US gallon - with the news projecting this to top $12.77 in the next few weeks. Such is the price of freedom from a deluded tyrant hell-bent on starting the apocalypse

[nn0wheremann]

dreamer
And the pulmonologists would be thriving and we would all be crabbing about the high cost of portable oxygen.

[Byte1]

Buy an electric car/cart!

But don't get stuck in a snow storm for any period of time because "electric" won't keep you warm very long in a car in cold weather. That battery pack will be depleted very, very quickly. AND, it's very difficult to hike for a gallon of electric to get your vehicle to the next charging station. Maybe they will come up with an extension cord that will stretch a few miles to your broke down vehicle? Does triple A provide a road side assistance electric charge for stranded battery powered vehicles?

[Byte1]

Even hydrogen powered vehicles is more practical and feasible than battery powered.
If you wish to go electric, then encourage the gov to install electric rails in the streets to realistically power or charge electric vehicles.

[Speedie]

Electric sure is becoming more attractive as fuel prices soar. 🚗🚙🚲 ⛽⛽⛽

Careful
Electricity rates will zoom too. Charging that battery can get very expensive.
Last week cost to charge a tesla was about $10 for 200 miles

[OrangeBlossomBaby]

…….or simply use our own, American, available but, now, underutilized energy sources until those other energy solutions become a reality

Induction stoves are the next greatest thing since sliced bread. They are reportedly more accurate and superior to gas stoves, emit no dangerous fumes into the air when not in use (gas stoves emit methane even when turned off), use less electricity than standard electric stoves. They can be pricey, and you might need to buy new cookware since your all-aluminum pans won't work on them. There's also a learning curve to using them but mostly that's because you have to "unlearn" your old habits, and old habits are hard to break. You no longer have to wait for the pan to heat up to the correct temperature. It's already there within seconds of placing it on the stove. It also takes only a minute to cool off completely, compared to the sometimes 20 minutes for a conventional electric stovetop. And so it's much safer.

You can also buy a single-burner induction stove for around $100. It's portable, sits on your counter when you use it, and slides into a cupboard when you're not using it.

That's an alternative to natural gas, not petroleum.

For vehicles that use gasoline, if the price of gas bothers you, then sell off the Hummer or the pickup truck or the Buick Park Avenue or whatever big wasteful boat you have that only gets 18mpg. Get a more efficient vehicle - you can find plenty of quality, comfortable cars that get better mileage. You don't need a V8 in the Villages. And if you want to travel in ultra luxury, you can always rent one for your trip.

[kkingston57]

But don't get stuck in a snow storm for any period of time because "electric" won't keep you warm very long in a car in cold weather. That battery pack will be depleted very, very quickly. AND, it's very difficult to hike for a gallon of electric to get your vehicle to the next charging station. Maybe they will come up with an extension cord that will stretch a few miles to your broke down vehicle? Does triple A provide a road side assistance electric charge for stranded battery powered vehicles?

Not a good argument. Not many snow storms in TV.

Research how long a battery lasts. I had the same idea and found out that the batteries can last longer than most people believe. What happens if your car is low on gas? Same problem. Agree about getting EV re started.

[OrangeBlossomBaby]

But don't get stuck in a snow storm for any period of time because "electric" won't keep you warm very long in a car in cold weather. That battery pack will be depleted very, very quickly. AND, it's very difficult to hike for a gallon of electric to get your vehicle to the next charging station. Maybe they will come up with an extension cord that will stretch a few miles to your broke down vehicle? Does triple A provide a road side assistance electric charge for stranded battery powered vehicles?

That's why I'm in favor of hybrids that switch between battery and gasoline while driving. Sure you're still using fossil fuels. But not as much. And by your vehicle switching back and forth, the battery lasts longer between charges than if you relied exclusively on electric with no gas.

[Byte1]

Induction stoves are the next greatest thing since sliced bread. They are reportedly more accurate and superior to gas stoves, emit no dangerous fumes into the air when not in use (gas stoves emit methane even when turned off), use less electricity than standard electric stoves. They can be pricey, and you might need to buy new cookware since your all-aluminum pans won't work on them. There's also a learning curve to using them but mostly that's because you have to "unlearn" your old habits, and old habits are hard to break. You no longer have to wait for the pan to heat up to the correct temperature. It's already there within seconds of placing it on the stove. It also takes only a minute to cool off completely, compared to the sometimes 20 minutes for a conventional electric stovetop. And so it's much safer.

You can also buy a single-burner induction stove for around $100. It's portable, sits on your counter when you use it, and slides into a cupboard when you're not using it.

That's an alternative to natural gas, not petroleum.

For vehicles that use gasoline, if the price of gas bothers you, then sell off the Hummer or the pickup truck or the Buick Park Avenue or whatever big wasteful boat you have that only gets 18mpg. Get a more efficient vehicle - you can find plenty of quality, comfortable cars that get better mileage. You don't need a V8 in the Villages. And if you want to travel in ultra luxury, you can always rent one for your trip.

Yes, because all that is soooo much easier than just using what we have now, plenty of fossil fuel. It's much better to keep it in the ground where it is safe. Poor working folks should just grin and bear it when it comes to the extreme expense of alternate power.

[Chi-Town]

Remember when gas prices were a little over $4.00/gal in 2008
and just a little over $2.00/gal in 2020?

[Waltdisney4life]

Thanks Brandon!

[toeser]

Sorry not the way it works and not greed. The stations bought the gas when it was high and have to sell it for the higher cost until they have depleted that inventory. Gas goes up and down with the cost of oil but it is slower to respond to drops. The oil suppliers control the price by controlling supply not the gas stations.

Except stations also bought the gas when it was low, but still immediately raise their prices when the environment allows. It's a one-way street.

[haysus7]

The oil companies still making huge profits. Presidents don’t cause the prices to go rise or lower

[cherylncliff]

And going up higher. Erggggg, I have to drive the gas hungry pickup truck on the 1,360 mile trek back north in a couple weeks, that’s gonna hurt. Besides filling up the golf cart, I haven’t seen a gas pump since I tanked up the truck in Altoona, FL on January 3rd.

Actually, it is starting to come back down.

[Keefelane66]

I have a totally electric vehicle expecting delivery of second one in April. May be investing in a Winnebago when a reasonably priced one is available so I can enjoy everyone’s pain at the fuel pump (only kidding).

[Cyndee@twc.com]

Batteries, we saw how good windmills worked in Texas when they froze in a winter storm they had to heat them up with electric from a generator using fuel


It's not optimal for sure. I'd love to see gas prices lowered. Heck I'd do a big happy dance and buy everyone a round at the bar if prices got down under $2/gallon.

But as long as people rely on oil, the oil refineries will have us by the cajones. There's absolutely zilch anyone can do about it OTHER than start encouraging and using alternative energy sources.[/QUOTE]

[airstreamingypsy]

Remembering it all just two years ago .

When the country was in lockdown and there was no demand? A great example of the law of supply and demand.

[JayBee]

You may need to check your math. 1325 miles for 105.00 bucks? Did you forget to count the gas you already had in the tank before you left? You getting 45 MPG?

[airstreamingypsy]

Thanks Brandon!

LOL, that's so funny that you think the the POTUS sets gas prices..... me, I would be embarrassed to write something so wrong. In Europe gas is over 6.50 a gallon, I wonder if they are blaming "Brandon" too.

[PugMom]

[QUOTE=B-flat;2073076]No too hot here in the summer! Last trip we made from north to south cost (1325 Miles) us about $105. Come this May I'm guesstimating it could run as high based on $7 per gallon, time will tell. The good news is here based on how little we use our van it's about $15 per week.[/QUO

the heat will only bother you the 1st year or so, then it becomes the norm. @ that point 60* will feel like 32*.

[MrFlorida]

It's funny how the price goes up instantly , and they are still pumping last weeks gas from their tanks....

[Malsua]

LOL, that's so funny that you think the the POTUS sets gas prices..... me, I would be embarrassed to write something so wrong. In Europe gas is over 6.50 a gallon, I wonder if they are blaming "Brandon" too.

Cancelling gas/oil leases, banning fracking and stopping oil pipelines absolutely has an effect on the SUPPLY of oil. Less supply, higher prices. Because oil is fungible, changes in supply here, affect the price of oil, EVERYWHERE.

[Byte1]

That's why I'm in favor of hybrids that switch between battery and gasoline while driving. Sure you're still using fossil fuels. But not as much. And by your vehicle switching back and forth, the battery lasts longer between charges than if you relied exclusively on electric with no gas.

Not to be argumentative, BUT today we already have more fuel efficient vehicles than we did 30-40 years ago. It's interesting how someone can rationalize.....but, but, but hybrids only use fossil part of the time.
I have decided to get a battery operated vehicle and install a gas generator in it so that I can go further. Of course, I am only going to use a "little" fossil fuel, therefore I am doing my thing in support of the tree huggers.....:1rotfl::1rotfl::1rotfl:

[Rich42]

Like Kamala said the other day, we got what we voted for!

[forebubba]

Wind mills froze up only because Texas did not use the right equipment for them. Why do they only freeze up in Texas and not in the north? Texas still has not fixed their electrical grid. With all the oil they have why is Texas a leader in investing in solar?

[JMintzer]

USA Prices still half of those in the UK - spare a thought for us !!

Most of that is due to taxes over there...

[JMintzer]

Exxon made 84% profit last year. The others made no less than 38%. All from exporting cheaper U.S. oil and selling more expensive imported oil to us. Too bad we can't all go to a "Mom & Pop" American refinery to get gas.

Why didn't they just sell the "cheaper US oil" here and make even more money?

Oh, right... It doesn't work that way at all...

[kkingston57]

Induction stoves are the next greatest thing since sliced bread. They are reportedly more accurate and superior to gas stoves, emit no dangerous fumes into the air when not in use (gas stoves emit methane even when turned off), use less electricity than standard electric stoves. They can be pricey, and you might need to buy new cookware since your all-aluminum pans won't work on them. There's also a learning curve to using them but mostly that's because you have to "unlearn" your old habits, and old habits are hard to break. You no longer have to wait for the pan to heat up to the correct temperature. It's already there within seconds of placing it on the stove. It also takes only a minute to cool off completely, compared to the sometimes 20 minutes for a conventional electric stovetop. And so it's much safer.



You can also buy a single-burner induction stove for around $100. It's portable, sits on your counter when you use it, and slides into a cupboard when you're not using it.

That's an alternative to natural gas, not petroleum.

For vehicles that use gasoline, if the price of gas bothers you, then sell off the Hummer or the pickup truck or the Buick Park Avenue or whatever big wasteful boat you have that only gets 18mpg. Get a more efficient vehicle - you can find plenty of quality, comfortable cars that get better mileage. You don't need a V8 in the Villages. And if you want to travel in ultra luxury, you can always rent one for your trip.

Agree 100%. We have an induction cook top and pot of water is boiling in 90 seconds and no residual heat.

[JMintzer]

As far as gas prices go, elections have no effect. What your saying is one elected person has control of the worlds gas prices. At least we still have a democracy....for now

Someone once said, "Elections have consequences..."

[forebubba]

Cancelling gas/oil leases, banning fracking and stopping oil pipelines absolutely has an effect on the SUPPLY of oil. Less supply, higher prices. Because oil is fungible, changes in supply here, affect the price of oil, EVERYWHERE.

There are more than 9000 open permits in the USA approved to drill oil but oil companies are not using them, why ?

[JMintzer]

What are you all winging about?

$4/$5 a gallon that's sooooo CHEAP.

Over the pond, the price is already c$8.68 per US gallon - with the news projecting this to top $12.77 in the next few weeks. Such is the price of freedom from a deluded tyrant hell-bent on starting the apocalypse

That's because you were dependent on Russian oil...

The previous differences were due to your significantly higher taxes...

[Byte1]

Remember when gas prices were a little over $4.00/gal in 2008
and just a little over $2.00/gal in 2020?

I remember when gas prices were about $4 gal in 2011 and 2012 and then dropped down to less than $2.50gal from 2016-2020

[JMintzer]

The oil companies still making huge profits. Presidents don’t cause the prices to go rise or lower

Their actions do...

The market reacts to uncertainty (just like the stock market).

Create uncertainty in the market and watch prices rise...

[JMintzer]

When the country was in lockdown and there was no demand? A great example of the law of supply and demand.

Truckers were still delivering goods. Millions were still working so that you could stay at home...

Personally, I didn't miss a day at work, except when I contracted Covid (from a patient)...

[JMintzer]

LOL, that's so funny that you think the the POTUS sets gas prices..... me, I would be embarrassed to write something so wrong. In Europe gas is over 6.50 a gallon, I wonder if they are blaming "Brandon" too.

No one has said the POTUS "sets" gas prices. But their actions most certainly affect them...

And as I've already stated, Europe has MUCH higher gas taxes (and taxes in general) than does the US...

[Keefelane66]

How many drilling permits did Biden issue?
WASHINGTON— New federal data shows the Biden administration approved 3,557 permits for oil and gas drilling on public lands in its first year, far outpacing the Trump administration's first-year total of 2,658.
It’s surprising how many Villagers are a wealth of MISINFORMATION. Even if all 3557 wells were delivering oil it will be priced at the speculative market rate of $100+ a barrel, some people just don’t get it.

[JMintzer]

Wind mills froze up only because Texas did not use the right equipment for them. Why do they only freeze up in Texas and not in the north? Texas still has not fixed their electrical grid. With all the oil they have why is Texas a leader in investing in solar?

Yes, because "fixing their electrical grid" can be done overnight...

As to why they are investing in solar, just follow the money...

[JMintzer]

Agree 100%. We have an induction cook top and pot of water is boiling in 90 seconds and no residual heat.

I'm sure they're great and we will consider on when the time comes to re-do the kitchen, but OBB's suggestion of "just buy one" smacks of the elitism we hear when we're told, "Can't afford gas prices, just buy nan electric car!"

As if those who can't afford gasoline can afford a new car... Or a VERY expensive cooktop...

[jimbomaybe]

Not to be argumentative, BUT today we already have more fuel efficient vehicles than we did 30-40 years ago. It's interesting how someone can rationalize.....but, but, but hybrids only use fossil part of the time.
I have decided to get a battery operated vehicle and install a gas generator in it so that I can go further. Of course, I am only going to use a "little" fossil fuel, therefore I am doing my thing in support of the tree huggers.....:1rotfl::1rotfl::1rotfl:
Hug a tree or hug your wallet, we have more efficient vehicles because people want them,, they make sense from more than one perspective, I would like to replace my old but so far reliable Honda with a hybrid of some sort posible an electric, many factors to consider, everyone weighs things differently

[JMintzer]

There are more than 9000 open permits in the USA approved to drill oil but oil companies are not using them, why ?

9000 "LEASES", not permits... BIG difference... But a good obfuscation...

They still have to apply for the permits, they still have to be allowed to build roads, and pipelines to move the oil that will be pumped...

THAT is where the holdup is. The current admin won't allow new pipelines, nor approve new permits to drill...

[Birdrm]

Sorry for the cuss word.
I feel ya, just moved down less than 2 months ago and have to use my car for everything because it takes 4-6 months to get a golf cart now!

[Cliff Fr]

To me it makes no sense to spend at least $40k to buy an electric car even if I could afford to which I can't. We have a 2007 Chevy HHR and a 2008 Saturn Aura which had a combined cost of less than $10k, purchased used. They both have the same 4 cylinder engine and both get 34 to 35 mpg. on the highway. Buying a used hybrid or electric car would be a gamble because of the cost of replacing the battery pack which could fail. The gas powered cars will last much longer if maintained. At this stage in our lives we do not want to finance a vehicle purchase so a new hybrid or electric, or gas car purchase, is out of the question

[Byte1]

Hug a tree or hug your wallet, we have more efficient vehicles because people want them,, they make sense from more than one perspective, I would like to replace my old but so far reliable Honda with a hybrid of some sort posible an electric, many factors to consider, everyone weighs things differently

I believe the reason we have "more efficient" vehicles is because our gov mandated it, period. When we first went to catalytic converters on cars, we found that many Japanese vehicles could pass our emission tests without the converters. Just a point of trivia. I do not believe that MOST folks make changes based on what is better for the environment. Most base their decisions on personal economics. Our lower income folks live a middle class lifestyle because of discount products such as you find at Walmart or Sam's. A point of fact is that our poverty level folks live a lifestyle equivalent to the European middle class.
I would wager (if I was a gambler) that MOST Americans would choose a cheap priced gas guzzler over an expensive priced clean energy car.

[Byte1]

To me it makes no sense to spend at least $40k to buy an electric car even if I could afford to which I can't. We have a 2007 Chevy HHR and a 2008 Saturn Aura which had a combined cost of less than $10k, purchased used. They both have the same 4 cylinder engine and both get 34 to 35 mpg. on the highway. Buying a used hybrid or electric car would be a gamble because of the cost of replacing the battery pack which could fail. The gas powered cars will last much longer if maintained. At this stage in our lives we do not want to finance a vehicle purchase so a new hybrid or electric, or gas car purchase, is out of the question

It is also ridiculous to believe that offering a tax credit for purchasing an EV is any incentive to those that do not itemize or even pay any taxes to begin with. Tell me that the gov will pay for my EV, not give me tax credit and I might consider it.
If everyone is so hot on using less oil then why don't they put electric charging strips in every lane of every highway so the batteries can be charged as you drive? Until a battery pack can be made cheaply that will get you four miles on a charge AND recharge in a matter of a few minutes, an electric car is only good for the inner city, or short commutes to work. Like I have said before, long lines sitting for hours on the side of the road waiting to charge their vehicles for a couple of hours is not feasible.
Do I care about the air quality? Well the air quality is better now than when I was a kid and we have a larger population and more fossil fueled machines. Want make the air cleaner, start with banning all AIR travel on anything other than balloons.

[Stu from NYC]

It is also ridiculous to believe that offering a tax credit for purchasing an EV is any incentive to those that do not itemize or even pay any taxes to begin with. Tell me that the gov will pay for my EV, not give me tax credit and I might consider it.
If everyone is so hot on using less oil then why don't they put electric charging strips in every lane of every highway so the batteries can be charged as you drive? Until a battery pack can be made cheaply that will get you four miles on a charge AND recharge in a matter of a few minutes, an electric car is only good for the inner city, or short commutes to work. Like I have said before, long lines sitting for hours on the side of the road waiting to charge their vehicles for a couple of hours is not feasible.
Do I care about the air quality? Well the air quality is better now than when I was a kid and we have a larger population and more fossil fueled machines. Want make the air cleaner, start with banning all AIR travel on anything other than balloons.

Agreed. Not about to have an electric car for long trips when we have to sit and sit waiting on a charge. For now hybrid makes a lot more sense.

[MrFlorida]

🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣

My cuss words are a tad bit stronger than yours.... I can't post them here...

[Chi-Town]

Thanks Brandon!

Just a hint. When you thank someone you should include the post that you are referring to.

[OrangeBlossomBaby]

Not to be argumentative, BUT today we already have more fuel efficient vehicles than we did 30-40 years ago. It's interesting how someone can rationalize.....but, but, but hybrids only use fossil part of the time.
I have decided to get a battery operated vehicle and install a gas generator in it so that I can go further. Of course, I am only going to use a "little" fossil fuel, therefore I am doing my thing in support of the tree huggers.....:1rotfl::1rotfl::1rotfl:

You are absolutely being argumentative. Nowhere have I said that I think we should eliminate all fossil fuels. That's because - I don't think we should, and I don't think we can.

I -do- think we should try and come up with sensible, pragmatic, and (eventually) cost-efficient alternatives to petroleum, and make more use of those alternatives so that we don't have to rely exclusively on petroleum. Mama taught me not to put all my eggs in the same basket. I happen to agree with mama.

[OrangeBlossomBaby]

Remember when gas prices were a little over $4.00/gal in 2008
and just a little over $2.00/gal in 2020?

I just filled up at the Circle K on 441 across the street from Wawa today. I paid $4.09/gallon. If I had an "easy pay" card I would've paid $3.99/gallon.

[Malsua]

There are more than 9000 open permits in the USA approved to drill oil but oil companies are not using them, why ?

Because just owning a lease does not mean they can start producing today.

How many open leases were there last year?

Is there infrastructure in the area of these open leases or are they in the buttcrack of nowhere and the reservoir hasn't even been logged yet?

Each lease also has a use-it-or-lose-it clause. There is essentially earnest money that has to be fronted to cover all the government red tape and environmental impact studies.

Not only that, what type of oil is it? More heavy, high sulpher, high salt water content reservoirs don't really push the needle either.

The 9000 open leases is a talking point that doesn't reflect anything. The chances are those leases are not profitable or least not profitable without hundreds of millions in infrastructure buildout.

[Joe C.]

I won't do an easy pay credit card because you have to give them access to your bank account. Just another chance for it to be hacked.

Warning to those who do :::::: Someday you'll wake up and find your account emptied.

[Topspinmo]

As John Lennon might say

“Imagine” if our Gov would promote and subsidize oil drilling, speed up building transportation pipelines, and invest in technology to convert coal to a clean fuel.
Gas would be $1 gallon and home gas and elec bills would drop.

Inflation would be history, national debt soon paid back from energy export sales, and the USA would be the energy powerhouse of the world for the next 100 years.

And we’re all this magic energy going to come from? We are like number 10 in untapped oil reserves.

[OrangeBlossomBaby]

I'm sure they're great and we will consider on when the time comes to re-do the kitchen, but OBB's suggestion of "just buy one" smacks of the elitism we hear when we're told, "Can't afford gas prices, just buy nan electric car!"

As if those who can't afford gasoline can afford a new car... Or a VERY expensive cooktop...

Please quote the post where I said "just buy one" in regards to an induction stove. I'm pretty sure I never posted that. In fact, I do recall very distinctly that I said that an induction stove is "an alternative" (not the only alternative, not the alternative you should, must, or are ordered to use, but an - as in - one of others.) option.

I also recall mentioning that you can get a single-burner induction stove for around $100. That, to me, isn't "very expensive." People around here will sink $200 or more into the latest air fryer - so comparatively speaking, a single burner induction stove is pretty darned affordable.

[Topspinmo]

I'm looking forward to all the "Thanks Brandon" comments when gas settles back to its normal price range, having adjusted for the pandemic, supply gridlock, Russian invasion, etc.

Yep, in 3 more years :)

[Topspinmo]

Like Kamala said the other day, we got what we voted for!


Yep, friend in need is friend in deed!

[OrangeBlossomBaby]

To me it makes no sense to spend at least $40k to buy an electric car even if I could afford to which I can't. We have a 2007 Chevy HHR and a 2008 Saturn Aura which had a combined cost of less than $10k, purchased used. They both have the same 4 cylinder engine and both get 34 to 35 mpg. on the highway. Buying a used hybrid or electric car would be a gamble because of the cost of replacing the battery pack which could fail. The gas powered cars will last much longer if maintained. At this stage in our lives we do not want to finance a vehicle purchase so a new hybrid or electric, or gas car purchase, is out of the question

That's why I'm not in the market for a hybrid. If I could afford one, I'd love to consider one for my next vehicle. It'd be terrific to not have to rely exclusively on gas. But my 2010 piece of rusting tin on wheels refuses to die, and it still gets around 30 mpg. Maintaining it is relatively cheap - maybe $400 every 3 years including oil changes, routine maintenance, and occasional belt replacements.

A hybrid would be more expensive to buy, more expensive to maintain. But if I had the money - well - that's what money is for - spending. I have always been and always be a cheerful capitalist.

[Topspinmo]

Buy an electric car/cart!

Yes, electricity is free and never ending source. O wait are some areas having blackout problems in summer when all the air conditioners are running? I’m sure the grid will take hundreds of thousands electric car charging. O one more problem, lake Powell going dry, less than 1/4 full. So hydroelectric maybe be problem also….

[Topspinmo]

That's why I'm not in the market for a hybrid. If I could afford one, I'd love to consider one for my next vehicle. It'd be terrific to not have to rely exclusively on gas. But my 2010 piece of rusting tin on wheels refuses to die, and it still gets around 30 mpg. Maintaining it is relatively cheap - maybe $400 every 3 years including oil changes, routine maintenance, and occasional belt replacements.

A hybrid would be more expensive to buy, more expensive to maintain. But if I had the money - well - that's what money is for - spending. I have always been and always be a cheerful capitalist.

Even if in market, lucky to find one right now.

[JMintzer]

I believe the reason we have "more efficient" vehicles is because our gov mandated it, period. When we first went to catalytic converters on cars, we found that many Japanese vehicles could pass our emission tests without the converters. Just a point of trivia. I do not believe that MOST folks make changes based on what is better for the environment. Most base their decisions on personal economics. Our lower income folks live a middle class lifestyle because of discount products such as you find at Walmart or Sam's. A point of fact is that our poverty level folks live a lifestyle equivalent to the European middle class.
I would wager (if I was a gambler) that MOST Americans would choose a cheap priced gas guzzler over an expensive priced clean energy car.

Increased gas milage was due to the gas shortages in the '70's...

Limits to how many gallons, and how often you could buy gas...

The CAFE Standards came later...

[JMintzer]

Please quote the post where I said "just buy one" in regards to an induction stove. I'm pretty sure I never posted that. In fact, I do recall very distinctly that I said that an induction stove is "an alternative" (not the only alternative, not the alternative you should, must, or are ordered to use, but an - as in - one of others.) option.

I also recall mentioning that you can get a single-burner induction stove for around $100. That, to me, isn't "very expensive." People around here will sink $200 or more into the latest air fryer - so comparatively speaking, a single burner induction stove is pretty darned affordable.

You neglected that you also said this... "They can be pricey, and you might need to buy new cookware since your all-aluminum pans won't work on them."

And at the end you suggested people just sell the cars they have and buy a more fuel efficient vehicle...

All which echo the current people saying "just buy an electric car!"

Not everyone can sell a paid for car and buy something else. Not everyone can buy an induction cook top (along with the new pans required to use it) and stick it in a cupboard when not in use. Not everyone is as fortunate as many Villagers...

[tophcfa]

Solution; sell “up north” and stay here!

Easy to say, difficult to do. I’ll sell the place up north if you are volunteering to take over the many responsibilities that exist up north, including caring for elders with dementia. Also, you will need to convince the wife it’s not necessary to have a place near the kids, grandkids, other family, and lifelong friends. You cover that and I’ll gladly sell. How sweet would it be to not have two homes to take care of, not have to travel back and forth between homes, shed a major ongoing and expensive responsibility, and cash in about 3/4 million in the equity of the northern home.

[Byte1]

Easy to say, difficult to do. I’ll sell the place up north if you are volunteering to take over the many responsibilities that exist up north, including caring for elders with dementia. Also, you will need to convince the wife it’s not necessary to have a place near the kids, grandkids, other family, and lifelong friends. You cover that and I’ll gladly sell. How sweet would it be to not have two homes to take care of, not have to travel back and forth between homes, shed a major ongoing and expensive responsibility, and cash in about 3/4 million in the equity of the northern home.

True, a "difficult" choice. Some of us move down here and then end up with the opposite problem. Family sees what we have and ALL decide to migrate down here, around us. We have also found that being in FL we see our family (the ones still up N) more than we did when we lived up there. :ho:

[Topspinmo]

Sorry not the way it works and not greed. The stations bought the gas when it was high and have to sell it for the higher cost until they have depleted that inventory. Gas goes up and down with the cost of oil but it is slower to respond to drops. The oil suppliers control the price by controlling supply not the gas stations.


Gas stations are the small fish and has no say so in price. So all oil in chain automatically goes up 2 hours after the price jump on stock market. I used to work in small grocery store when can goods had price increase the owner instructed me to remove all the prices on cans and stamp with new price increase. The same guy must be in charge of oil prices :1rotfl:

[OhioBuckeye]

Sorry but I don’t care how much gas is in Europe. I buy my gas here in the good ole USA. Gas here in Texas is mostly $3.99 a gal. But if you look you can find it for $3.89 gal. So then why would I want to buy my gas in Florida either.

[jdulej]

Sorry but I don’t care how much gas is in Europe. I buy my gas here in the good ole USA. Gas here in Texas is mostly $3.99 a gal. But if you look you can find it for $3.89 gal. So then why would I want to buy my gas in Florida either.

Well, if you were buying your gas in Florida, at least you wouldn't be in Texas. (although there is not much difference)

[forebubba]

9000 "LEASES", not permits... BIG difference... But a good obfuscation...

They still have to apply for the permits, they still have to be allowed to buil1d roads, and pipelines to move the oil that will be pumped...

THAT is where the holdup is. The current admin won't allow new pipelines, nor approve new permits to drill...

Biden has approved more permits than Trump. Look it up

[JMintzer]

Biden has approved more permits than Trump. Look it up

Most of those permits were early one and had already been in the "pipeline" for years...

And then there's this...

Drilling permits spiked then plunged under Biden - E&E News (https://www.eenews.net/articles/drilling-permits-spiked-then-plunged-under-biden/)