Solicitors

[Mudder]

Are various groups permitted to go door to door handing out materials? A few minutes ago two women from Jehovah Witness were in our driveway wanting to drop off some materials. I respectfully declined, they went to the next house and so on. Just wondering is there any kind of policy about groups doing this?

[zcaveman]

Call Neighborhood Watch and report them. They will send someone out to talk to them.

[redwitch]

Simple answer: no, they're not allowed. As the caveman said, call Community Watch.

BTW: In California, I used to tell them I was a witch and I'd happily attend one of their meetings if they would agree to come to my coven for a gathering. It would be usually be at least a year before anyone came to my door again (my neighbors would get someone at least once a month).

[Xavier]

Simple answer: no, they're not allowed. As the caveman said, call Community Watch.

BTW: In California, I used to tell them I was a witch and I'd happily attend one of their meetings if they would agree to come to my coven for a gathering. It would be usually be at least a year before anyone came to my door again (my neighbors would get someone at least once a month).

Do you know Christine O’Donnell from Delaware?!

[Bogie Shooter]

Do you know Christine O’Donnell from Delaware?!
She is not a witch......I heard her say so on television.

[redwitch]

At least Christine went to some sort of meeting. I haven't, but it does keep the JW's and LDS's away from my door.

[Talk Host]

What law are these people breaking? By law, I man enforceable ordinance. I object to them too, and am concerned that Community Watch has no authority what-so-ever to do anything. What would Community Watch do if they refused to leave? What would the sheriff do if a "religious" group claimed first amendments rights to freedom of speech and religion.

Just Askin"

JLK

[billethkid]

the "rules" of TV = no soliciting.

One should tell them they are not allowed to be soliciting in TV and then report them.

Most people won't tell them and another too large a percent will not report them, hence we have solicitors.

I tell them long before they get into their spiel and that the "authorities will be along shortly. My house is usually their last stop even if it is the first one.

btk

[jblum8156]

I once had a crowd of them in my driveway. They were like the clowns in the mini-car at the circus, about 6 of them climbing out of this little VW Beetle. I simply told them to get off my property or I would call the cops. They left.
Gosh, I used to own a shotgun. It was never loaded, but it was a great deterrent to trespassers.

[Talk Host]

the "rules" of TV = no soliciting.

btk

That's exactly my point. What enforceable rules? The streets are public streets. The properties are owned by private individuals. The Villages doesn't have lawmaking authority, or does it? Even if it does, can it enforce it's Villages laws with outsiders? The only enforceable law would be one made by the county. Does that exist, it may.

I'm thinking that unless the homeowners post a "no trespassing" sign (no signs allowed) then nothing can be enforced.

The only reason I point this out is that I believe some people have a false sense that this is a gated, closed community. I think that on a public street anybody can stand and speak their piece? Knocking on doors is a little different if there is a "no trespassing" sign.

Somebody here talked about a "shotgun" to deter religious solicitation. Seems kind of extreme to me. What if it was a person from St. Marks handing out information about a spaghetti supper? I personally wouldn't aim a shotgun at them, (even an empty one) as I don't believe that it's a capitol offense.

JLK

[Pturner]

That's exactly my point. What enforceable rules? The streets are public streets. The properties are owned by private individuals. The Villages doesn't have lawmaking authority, or does it? Even if it does, can it enforce it's Villages laws with outsiders? The only enforceable law would be one made by the county. Does that exist, it may.

I'm thinking that unless the homeowners post a "no trespassing" sign (no signs allowed) then nothing can be enforced.

The only reason I point this out is that I believe some people have a false sense that this is a gated, closed community. I think that on a public street anybody can stand and speak their piece? Knocking on doors is a little different if there is a "no trespassing" sign.

Somebody here talked about a "shotgun" to deter religious solicitation. Seems kind of extreme to me. What if it was a person from St. Marks handing out information about a spaghetti supper? I personally wouldn't aim a shotgun at them, (even an empty one) as I don't believe that it's a capitol offense.

JLK

Hi TH, I think you are making much ado about not much. If solicitors of any kind came to my door, I would handle it as BTK suggested-- tell them that soliciting is not allowed in TV and report them promptly.

Say that only discourages 80 percent of them. The other 20 percent keep going door-to-door until Community Watch shows up. Then, they tell Community Watch to bug off. Oh well. Can't win 'em all.

[Bogie Shooter]

Here comes that gun carrying discussion again.:yuck:

[Bottaboom]

Nothing wrong if you happen to be cleaning the shot gun when they come calling.

Seriously though, I get satisfaction from just closing the door in their face.

[Larryandlinda]

She is not a witch......I heard her say so on television.

You Don't Know Her
we heard this in a speech-and there were witnesses

As far as the Door-to-Doorers go, we don't like them too much either - but if they are presentable and friendly
We always turn it around, time permitting, and preach to them about various topics - politics, ecology, bike riding.....

We make sure we are doing something worthwhile like trimming the flowers, cooking, cleaning.....so time is not being too wasted

Like TH, we'd like to know the ordinance that prohibits folk from entering the streets and strolling around

We're certain a street corner bible thumper with a megaphone or the white robes would be awkward looking, but like TH said, what's the law say?

L and L

[Ajack]

What does that mean???

[Talk Host]

Hi TH, I think you are making much ado about not much. .


Maybe so but I think it will be challenged some day. My guess is that we will not be the winners.

I have been in the "free speech" business all my teenage and adult life. I know what it means and I know how to defend it. It frightens me to think that anybody, under any circumstances would stand in the way of somebody speaking their piece on public property. Religious organizations, politicians and sales people have been knocking on doors since the very beginning of the Unites State of America. I hate to see that now we want to chase them off with a shotgun.

[jblum8156]

But we're not talking about public property. We're talking about strangers who want to get into your home.

[Larryandlinda]

What does that mean???

That 'You don't Know Her" was the other part of the "I'm not a witch " speech

it will probably become a catch phrase like the old "You're no Jack Kennedy"

the second part of the posting was not part of the cynicism/sarcasm/joke

Hope that clears things up

L and L

[Bottaboom]

Maybe so but I think it will be challenged some day. My guess is that we will not be the winners.

I have been in the "free speech" business all my teenage and adult life. I know what it means and I know how to defend it. It frightens me to think that anybody, under any circumstances would stand in the way of somebody speaking their piece on public property. Religious organizations, politicians and and sales people have been knocking on doors since the very beginning of the Unites State of America. I hate to see that now we want to chase them off with a shotgun.

Really TH, No one is going to drive them off with a shotgun.

[Pturner]

Maybe so but I think it will be challenged some day. My guess is that we will not be the winners.

I have been in the "free speech" business all my teenage and adult life. I know what it means and I know how to defend it. It frightens me to think that anybody, under any circumstances would stand in the way of somebody speaking their piece on public property. Religious organizations, politicians and and sales people have been knocking on doors since the very beginning of the Unites State of America. I hate to see that now we want to chase them off with a shotgun.

Public roadways, yes, I get that. As for door-to-door, I wouldn't chase 'em off with a shotgun either. I'd just mention the "no soliciting" policy and ask them to leave.

Sure someday, a salesman (religious, political or otherwise) might challenge the policy. I don't live in fear of that day. Where I live now, my only defense against door-to-door solicitors is to ask them to leave. If that's my only defense in TV, c'est la vie. Much ado about not much.

[thistrucksforyou]

That's exactly my point. What enforceable rules? The streets are public streets. The properties are owned by private individuals. The Villages doesn't have lawmaking authority, or does it? Even if it does, can it enforce it's Villages laws with outsiders? The only enforceable law would be one made by the county. Does that exist, it may.

I'm thinking that unless the homeowners post a "no trespassing" sign (no signs allowed) then nothing can be enforced.

The only reason I point this out is that I believe some people have a false sense that this is a gated, closed community. I think that on a public street anybody can stand and speak their piece? Knocking on doors is a little different if there is a "no trespassing" sign.

Somebody here talked about a "shotgun" to deter religious solicitation. Seems kind of extreme to me. What if it was a person from St. Marks handing out information about a spaghetti supper? I personally wouldn't aim a shotgun at them, (even an empty one) as I don't believe that it's a capitol offense.

JLK

Interesting ...I also thought TV was a gated community....Is all streets public...If not what makes it a retirement community....Just the average age of home owners? I will have to bring this up November when I talk with Tim Andrews which is a realtor for TV and I will ask him this question and see what he has to say !

[Pturner]

Interesting ...I also thought TV was a gated community....Is all streets public...If not what makes it a retirement community....Just the average age of home owners? I will have to bring this up November when I talk with Tim Andrews which is a realtor for TV and I will ask him this question and see what he has to say !

Hi Thistruck,

Although there are gates, TV is not a "gated community". The roads are public. That means, among other things, the roads are paved and maintained by the county.

What makes TV a retirement community are the facts that:


80 percent of the homes must have someone 55 or older living in them
No one under 19 can live in TV


What makes it a fabulous retirement community are the pools, recreation centers, golf courses, town squares, shops and restaurants, golf cart lifestyle, bowling centers, movie theaters, hundreds of clubs and activities, beautifully maintained commons areas, etc.

If you are looking for a gated community, you're in luck! There are probably tens of thousands of beautiful gated communities all across America, many of which are retirement communities.

On the other hand, there's no place like TV.

[BritParrothead]

Where we live, on the south coast of England, we do get visited by a lot of Jehovas Witnesses! Our development seems to attract them for some reason! I have a stock answer, 'Oh I am so sorry, I dont have time, I am just off to donate blood' good bye!

[Talk Host]

Public roadways, yes, I get that. As for door-to-door, I wouldn't chase 'em off with a shotgun either. I'd just mention the "no soliciting" policy and ask them to leave.

Sure someday, a salesman (religious, political or otherwise) might challenge the policy. I don't live in fear of that day. Where I live now, my only defense against door-to-door solicitors is to ask them to leave. If that's my only defense in TV, c'est la vie. Much ado about not much.


I agree with you and my vision was a little foggy when I mixed public roads and private houses.

My whole point, I think, is to remind Villages residents that they shouldn't be lulled into a false sense that they are somehow shielded from the outside world. Also that community watch has more power or authority than it really has.

I had a community watch supervisor tell me one night, "our main job is to help find Alzheimer patients when they wander off." I realize that it was an over simplification, but it telegraphs their thinking.

I have always been one to take up causes. When I ran for public office, I challenged the towns political sign ordinance, claiming it was unconstitutional. The town pleaded with me not to pursue it because they knew it was unconstitutional and said, "we don't have the money to fight it and we know that we'd lose."

I just hate rules that are visited on us when there is no way to enforce them, or justification for them in the first place.

JLK

[Ajack]

That 'You don't Know Her" was the other part of the "I'm not a witch " speech

it will probably become a catch phrase like the old "You're no Jack Kennedy"

the second part of the posting was not part of the cynicism/sarcasm/joke

Hope that clears things up

L and L

Only in "certain" circles. Catch phrase, like "you should be thanking me"? : )

[superuke]

The wife & I are Red Necks, we find out where all of the JW's live, then on Halloween night we knock on their door, they don't like it when someone knocks on their door. We just enjoy doing it!

[superuke]

The wife and I are Red Necks, we find out where the JW's live, then on Halloween night we knock on their door. They don't like it when someone knocks on their door. We just love doing it!

[Bryan]

Talk Host is absolutely correct - there is no "law" against solicitation in TV. Someone said something about rules but rules are not enforceable by law enforcement. Those that say "call Community Watch" are also correct. Although they can't "do" anything about the solicitors, just their presence has a deterrent effect. And they will (usually) come and watch the solicitors and follow them around. If they don't, call Chief Tucker, Village Public Safety, and let him know his CW people aren't doing their jobs.

On a slightly different but related subject, sales persons who go door-to-door do have to be licensed by the state of Florida (but not politicians, religious or charitable organizations, people pushing ideas but not selling products or services). You can and should ask to see their state solicitation license. If they won't show you one, or don't have one, that is a violation of Florida law and you can call local law enforcement to report it and ask them to send an officer/deputy.

[cybrgeezer]

If it's true that many (most?) residents mistakenly believe The Villages is a private, gated community, outside solicitors may believe it, too.

So, telling someone that such soliciting is not allowed in the community may just be convincing enough. It's unlikely that the person coming to your door is well-versed in county ordinances.

If you can't lie to a door-to-door solicitor, who can you lie to?

[graciegirl]

I have never heard of Jehovah Witness doing any harm to anyone. We have all had them come to save us. Just don't answer the door if it is someone you don't know and the ladies have that long hairdo and are carrying literature.

I think the unsolicited people who sell water softeners are worse.

I don't think a gun is needed for either.

I think it is much ado about nothing.

Fish gotta swim and birds gotta fly and JW's are gonna do what they do.

[The Shadow]

Talk Host is absolutely correct - there is no "law" against solicitation in TV. Someone said something about rules but rules are not enforceable by law enforcement. Those that say "call Community Watch" are also correct. Although they can't "do" anything about the solicitors, just their presence has a deterrent effect. And they will (usually) come and watch the solicitors and follow them around. If they don't, call Chief Tucker, Village Public Safety, and let him know his CW people aren't doing their jobs.

On a slightly different but related subject, sales persons who go door-to-door do have to be licensed by the state of Florida (but not politicians, religious or charitable organizations, people pushing ideas but not selling products or services). You can and should ask to see their state solicitation license. If they won't show you one, or don't have one, that is a violation of Florida law and you can call local law enforcement to report it and ask them to send an officer/deputy.

Bryan,
I am not sure but I think that if on your property it is posted “Private Property No Trespassing” a trespasser can be charged with trespassing. What are your thoughts on that?

[bkcunningham1]

Bryan,
I am not sure but I think that if on your property it is posted “Private Property No Trespassing” a trespasser can be charged with trespassing. What are your thoughts on that?

In 2002, the US Supreme Court ruled in a case involving the Jehovah Witnesses. It isn't the first ruling the Supremes have made in favor of freedom of speech for the Jehovah Witnesses.


http://www.watchtowerinformationservice.org/jws-vs-the-world/religious-group-may-solicit-supreme-court-rules/

[The Shadow]

In 2002, the US Supreme Court ruled in a case involving the Jehovah Witnesses. It isn't the first ruling the Supremes have made in favor of freedom of speech for the Jehovah Witnesses.


http://www.watchtowerinformationservice.org/jws-vs-the-world/religious-group-may-solicit-supreme-court-rules/
Thanks for posting that. I do not agree with the ruling but it is interesting and educational.

[graciegirl]

Shadow? I don't think we are allowed to have signs. We can't put a for sale sign up in our neck of the woods.

[JenAjd]

Amen Graciegirl.....what you say is absolutely true! I generally just tell the JW's and Mormons the same thing---that I'm a Christian and have the Truth and I think we'll have to agree to disagree!! I've learned that I can't debate such folks and most will politely leave. Eventually I think (at least up north) they will tag your house (in some way) and not bother anymore. OR you can just NOT answer the door!

[The Shadow]

Shadow? I don't think we are allowed to have signs. We can't put a for sale sign up in our neck of the woods.

You win another cookie, I was waiting to see who would say that and I would reply…

I think this is a valid example, TV does not allow solar water heater panels on the roof, the government gives you a cash incentive to have solar panels. So by law you can have solar panels.

In my thinking out of the box, I come to the conclusion that “Private Property No Trespassing” is not a sign that would/could be regulated by TV no sign rule. I see it not as a sign but a statement of my rights and a desire to protect my security and a warning that if you trespass I will take legal action like call the police and report you are trespassing.

To support my thinking
http://www.ehow.com/list_6751186_florida-trespassing-laws.html

Under Florida Statute 588.10, a property owner does have the responsibility of providing notice with "No Trespassing" signs SNIP…….

In the state of Florida, there are extremely harsh penalties for individuals who trespass on private property with a firearm in their possession. While most forms of trespassing are considered misdemeanors, any person who gets caught trespassing with a firearm is committing a felony. SNIP……

Apparently that no sign rule does not apply to putting signs in the windows of CYV saying “For Rent”.

[graciegirl]

You win another cookie, I was waiting to see who would say that and I would reply…

I think this is a valid example, TV does not allow solar water heater panels on the roof, the government gives you a cash incentive to have solar panels. So by law you can have solar panels.

In my thinking out of the box, I come to the conclusion that “Private Property No Trespassing” is not a sign that would/could be regulated by TV no sign rule. I see it not as a sign but a statement of my rights and a desire to protect my security and a warning that if you trespass I will take legal action like call the police and report you are trespassing.

To support my thinking
http://www.ehow.com/list_6751186_florida-trespassing-laws.html



Apparently that no sign rule does not apply to putting signs in the windows of CYV saying “For Rent”.

Whoa now Shadow. I have been called on by a goodly number of JW over the years but not a one of them was carrying a firearm.

I kinda think those signs that say "NO Trespassing" and "MY dog is gonna tear your head off" are not friendly....Just my take.

But thank you kindly for the cookie. Next time could you get oatmeal raisin? They're my fave.

[Talk Host]

Do you all know that you are not permitted to have those warning signs that say, "Alarmed security system." You can have a decal in the window, but not the lollipop notices in your yard or around your bushes.

[AnonChick]

If you have a screen door in front of the main door, what's to prevent you from putting up a little sign -on- the inside door saying "no trespassing/soliciting?" I can understand not wanting to see a sign on the lawn, or in easy view of anyone strolling past the property. But if they're up close and personal enough to ring the doorbell, they're up close and personal enough to read a small sign affixed to the door itself.

[The Shadow]

Whoa now Shadow. I have been called on by a goodly number of JW over the years but not a one of them was carrying a firearm.

I kinda think those signs that say "NO Trespassing" and "MY dog is gonna tear your head off" are not friendly....Just my take.

But thank you kindly for the cookie. Next time could you get oatmeal raisin? They're my fave.
You are not with me girl. The Shadow did not say JW one time. It was more like all persons who trespass, water softener salesman, life insurance salesman or the husband of my girl friend who may be packin heat.

In my book you enter my property if you are a friend, blood, have an invitation or an appointment. Others are infringing on my quality of life punishable by police action.

“I kinda think those signs that say "NO Trespassing" and "MY dog is gonna tear your head off" are not friendly”

I kinda think those signs that say "NO Trespassing" are no more unfriendly than “No Right Turn on Red”, “No Parking”, unfriendly to me is “No Fishing”, “Do Not Feed the XXX”.

The question comes to mind, what did the signs say on the fence surrounding the Buffalo?

[graciegirl]

Marking Shadow off list of people to drop in on.

[Bogie Shooter]

This seems like a big to do over nothing. Been here 8 years and can count on one hand the number of solicitors that have come to the door.
Just how many have been to your door that you now need "No Trespassing" signs?

[dillywho]

I think this is a valid example, TV does not allow solar water heater panels on the roof, the government gives you a cash incentive to have solar panels. So by law you can have solar panels.


What are those panel thingys on some of the rooftops if they're not solar panels? I thought that was what they were. Help!:confused:

[The Shadow]

What are those panel thingys on some of the rooftops if they're not solar panels? I thought that was what they were. Help!:confused:
TV rules were trumped by state and or federal rules so you have panels.

[dillywho]

Thanks, Shadow...that 'splains it.

[BlueHeronFan]

Ok, I am a bit confused here.

My understanding is that Morse & Buena Vista were the county roads, and that the County was responsible for the maint. etc because it ran as a thoroughfare from one end to the other connecting county roads.

The other roads were TV roads, and I personally have witnessed The Villages VCDD having the maintanence done, and spoke to them during and afterwards regarding some cleanup issues.

I find it hard to believe the streets within any particular Village are public roads. Especially since the recent discussing with regards to the gate changes happening requiring having to swipe the card for neighborhood entry and related visitor entries.

Please link me somewhere to help me understand different. Please, comments from only those who actually live in The Villages. Thanks.

[villages07]

Blue... Check out thE cdd website

http://www.districtgov.org/faq.aspx

In the FAQ section, it says cdd responsible for street signs, sidewalks, etc until maintenance is turned over to the county. So, perhaps the CDD is initially responsible until the county takes over. This may be just applicable to Sumter. I thought the situation was different in Marion and may be different in Lake.

In short, the intent is for Sumter county to maintain the roads, except for villa roads.

[swrinfla]

This seems like a big to do over nothing. Been here 8 years and can count on one hand the number of solicitors that have come to the door.
Just how many have been to your door that you now need "No Trespassing" signs?

In my 5 1/2 years, there's been only one unsolicited knock on my door! I told that caller, in no uncertain terms, "Do not solicit here in The Villages. You are NOT welcome and will surely be asked to go away!"

So far as I know, that caller went away and never called on nearby folks, again!

SWR
:beer3:

[Ajack]

Are various groups permitted to go door to door handing out materials? A few minutes ago two women from Jevohav Witness were in our driveway wqanting to drop off some materials. I respectfully declined, they went to the next house and so on. Just wondering is there any kind of policy about groups doing this?

I wonder how many times a year they will go to each home in the villages. Will they make it a weekly ritual? Monthly? Twice a year? Is there really a problem here at America's Friendliest Hometown? :ohdear:

[Larryandlinda]

What are those panel thingys on some of the rooftops if they're not solar panels? I thought that was what they were. Help!:confused:

We had to get them 'to approve' our pv panels, but Florida is a 'right to the sun' state

Linda cannot wait to move down and use her new solar- and wind- powered clothes dryer

We got it at ACE in Southern Trace on sale for $7.59

Though we have the right to an OTA antenna or Satellite Dish, too, we're opting out of that!!

L and L

[salpal]

I'm from Delaware, where all women are witches and we don't knock on your door, we land on your roof with our brooms......so you'd better put a sign on your roof too.

:jester:

Seriously folks, here's what we do, if we don't know the person at the door (luckily we have a peep window) we do not answer the door. We did that in Delaware and luckily no strangers have knocked on our door here in TV (yet).

[ssmith]

Is going door to door as a JW Soliciting? I was under the impression that it was not. BTW I am not a JW.

Also, Although you have a right to the sun per Florida when you enter a contract (ie TV) you are essentially giving up some of your rights. Aren't you?

I mean no one made you buy in TV but when you decided to buy there...you signed on the dotted line and at that time you traded some freedoms/rights for your wonderful hometown...ie a trade off. Just wondering.

[Larryandlinda]

<snip>
Also, Although you have a right to the sun per Florida when you enter a contract (ie TV) you are essentially giving up some of your rights. Aren't you?

I mean no one made you buy in TV but when you decided to buy there...you signed on the dotted line and at that time you traded some freedoms/rights for your wonderful hometown...ie a trade off. Just wondering.

Wonder away!

Before we inked the deals on our two TV places, we made sure we could do what we have been enjoying for 34 years up nawth...
free hot water heating, an electric meter running in reverse, and clean fresh garments dried in the breezy sunshine

Our rooftop array is thoughtfully placed on a roof section that does not impede the architecture of the home nor the suburbiscape look of the neighborhood.

Some of the pool water panels leave a lot to be desired, and for that matter so do some of the monstrosities otherwise known as birdcages.

While most in TV are quite acceptable and form will follow function, there are more than a few in which it seems evident that the designer was not on the payroll at the time the plans were made.

Makes us wanna grow a WVA state flower (radar dish) next to some of them
but nah,. two wrongs do not a right make

L and L

[Talk Host]

I was just thinking. Door to door solicitation is no longer a normal sales or political activity. It was done in the "old days." Today, such activities are done by telemarketing, automated phone recordings, direct mail, internet advertising and email.

So, as some have said, the door to door thing in the Villages really wouldn't be a big issue, just like we probably won't seen any horse and buggies riding around.

We all grew up during a time when door to door was a pretty normal thing, so it's part of our frame of mind. Our kids and grand kids probably have no idea about it. Just like they have never made popcorn on the stove. But it makes for a good intellectual discussion and that's what this forum is all about.

When I was a little kid (less than 10), one day my mother was in the basement washing clothes. A guy came to the back door, and the way he was dressed, I thought he was "the meter man." He asked if my mother was home, so I waltzed him through the house and down to the basement.
My mother was facing her Dexter washing machine when this guy tapped her on the shoulder. He was no meter man, he was a tramp looking for a handout. Fortunately he didn't cause any trouble, but there he was, alone in the basement with me and my mother. You can imagine the conversation around our house for the next few days.

JLK

[Pturner]

I was just thinking. Door to door solicitation is no longer a normal sales or political activity. It was done in the "old days." Today, such activities are done by telemarketing, automated phone recordings, direct mail, internet advertising and email.

So, as some have said, the door to door thing in the Villages really wouldn't be a big issue, just like we probably won't seen any horse and buggies riding around.

We all grew up during a time when door to door was a pretty normal thing, so it's part of our frame of mind. Our kids and grand kids probably have no idea about it. Just like they have never made popcorn on the stove. But it makes for a good intellectual discussion and that's what this forum is all about.

When I was a little kid (less than 10), one day my mother was in the basement washing clothes. A guy came to the back door, and the way he was dressed, I thought he was "the meter man." He asked if my mother was home, so I waltzed him through the house and down to the basement.
My mother was facing her Dexter washing machine when this guy tapped her on the shoulder. He was no meter man, he was a tramp looking for a handout. Fortunately he didn't cause any trouble, but there he was, alone in the basement with me and my mother. You can imagine the conversation around our house for the next few days.

JLK

OMG! I guess beggars were a better breed back then. Can't see that ending well today.

[Larryandlinda]

I was just thinking. Door to door solicitation is no longer a normal sales or political activity. It was done in the "old days." Today, such activities are done by telemarketing, automated phone recordings, direct mail, internet advertising and email.

So, as some have said, the door to door thing in the Villages really wouldn't be a big issue, just like we probably won't seen any horse and buggies riding around.

We all grew up during a time when door to door was a pretty normal thing, so it's part of our frame of mind. Our kids and grand kids probably have no idea about it. Just like they have never made popcorn on the stove. But it makes for a good intellectual discussion and that's what this forum is all about.
JLK

hey
are the Ice Cream vendors welcome?
We have seen roach coaches (chuck wagons) but mostly in the construction zones

L and L

[graciegirl]

I wonder how many times a year they will go to each home in the villages. Will they make it a weekly ritual? Monthly? Twice a year? Is there really a problem here at America's Friendliest Hometown? :ohdear:

Dear Ajack.

I am a two and a half year inhabitor in TV. The only time we had a bunch of folks trying to sell us stuff was the first week we moved in. No strangers have come since, which I feel pretty sure is true of the rest of the 81 K folks here.

We just like to chat on here until we drive each other crazy.

For me it is a short walk, not a drive.

[Ajack]

Dear Ajack.

I am a two and a half year inhabitor in TV. The only time we had a bunch of folks trying to sell us stuff was the first week we moved in. No strangers have come since, which I feel pretty sure is true of the rest of the 81 K folks here.

We just like to chat on here until we drive each other crazy.

For me it is a short walk, not a drive.

I hear you, Gracie. Much to do about nuthin.;)

[Talk Host]

I hear you, Gracie. Much to do about nuthin.;)

It was an interesting conversation. That's what this forum is for. The people who brought up the topic didn't think it was "nutin" They wanted to talk about it, and we are doing that.

[Tweety Bird]

I have never heard of Jehovah Witness doing any harm to anyone. We have all had them come to save us. Just don't answer the door if it is someone you don't know and the ladies have that long hairdo and are carrying literature.

I think the unsolicited people who sell water softeners are worse.

I don't think a gun is needed for either.

I think it is much ado about nothing.

Fish gotta swim and birds gotta fly and JW's are gonna do what they do.

Gracie is kind. I have always admired Jehovah's Witnesses who take their personal time to give free bible studies and share literature. Do other faiths share their faith from door to door besides LDS? Remember the priests that went from door to door? To make fun of people who strive to go to others in all sincerity and earnestness is a noble act. It's not about whether you agree with them or not as a whole, but they are people like you and I who take their faith VERY seriously and study alot. They want to share something from the bible. Some of their articles are absolutely terrific! They are not selling services or items for money. Let us give honor where honor is due and respect those that wish to go to our doors to share something good. I don't think shot guns and saying snide, rude comments to people who are doing a noble deed is necessary. Take a magazine and enjoy whatever article may touch your heart. If a Catholic came to your door with literature, would you treat them unkindly? I'm sure something in any spiritual literature can be enjoyed with a moment over a cup of coffee and silent spiritual reflection can be had. You don't have to agree with everything....but one article might be a wonderful thing to reflect on. Just thought I'd share my personal thoughts.

[Ajack]

It was an interesting conversation. That's what this forum is for. The people who brought up the topic didn't think it was "nutin" They wanted to talk about it, and we are doing that.

You are right of course. I should have been more explicit. The conversation is almost always great here. What I meant was that solicitation was not much of a problem . Like someone said, most of it is done online, telephone etc.
I enjoyed your story about the homeless man, though.

[Ajack]

Gracie is kind. I have always admired Jehovah's Witnesses who take their personal time to give free bible studies and share literature. Do other faiths share their faith from door to door besides LDS? Remember the priests that went from door to door? To make fun of people who strive to go to others in all sincerity and earnestness is a noble act. It's not about whether you agree with them or not as a whole, but they are people like you and I who take their faith VERY seriously and study alot. They want to share something from the bible. Some of their articles are absolutely terrific! They are not selling services or items for money. Let us give honor where honor is due and respect those that wish to go to our doors to share something good. I don't think shot guns and saying snide, rude comments to people who are doing a noble deed is necessary. Take a magazine and enjoy whatever article may touch your heart. If a Catholic came to your door with literature, would you treat them unkindly? I'm sure something in any spiritual literature can be enjoyed with a moment over a cup of coffee and silent spiritual reflection can be had. You don't have to agree with everything....but one article might be a wonderful thing to reflect on. Just thought I'd share my personal thoughts.

I was waiting for someone to finally come to their defense and bring a little levity to the discussion. Thank you, you have a kind soul.: )

[SALYBOW]

That was a very insightful post Tweety. I have always tried to be civil to the door knockers because I too admire that they take two years out of their lives to proselitize. Well there was the one time when they wanted to chat as my hubby and I were leaving for the hospital to birth our son. I was not too corsial to them but I claim labor as a rightful excuse.

[AnonChick]

In one neighborhood I lived in, we'd get JW, Mormons, and Born Again Christians. If I wanted to hear someone's testimony I know where the church is. If I want to be preached at, there are plenty of public street corners I know of where I can find a preacher almost 24/7. And if I don't feel like leaving home, I can always look one up in the phone book, or do a google search for a video.

I don't go knocking on peoples' doors with the intention of imposing my beliefs on them, I expect others to have the same respect and not do so with me. I don't care if it's once a year, or once a decade. I don't like it when politicians do it either. Actually I especially don't like it when they do it. With the religious people, I just say no thanks, grumble, and try to remember where I put the fork when I go back to the supper table. When it's a politician, I tell them thanks for letting me know who I -won't- be voting for, and then I shut the door and leave them there.

[graciegirl]

In one neighborhood I lived in, we'd get JW, Mormons, and Born Again Christians. If I wanted to hear someone's testimony I know where the church is. If I want to be preached at, there are plenty of public street corners I know of where I can find a preacher almost 24/7. And if I don't feel like leaving home, I can always look one up in the phone book, or do a google search for a video.

I don't go knocking on peoples' doors with the intention of imposing my beliefs on them, I expect others to have the same respect and not do so with me. I don't care if it's once a year, or once a decade. I don't like it when politicians do it either. Actually I especially don't like it when they do it. With the religious people, I just say no thanks, grumble, and try to remember where I put the fork when I go back to the supper table. When it's a politician, I tell them thanks for letting me know who I -won't- be voting for, and then I shut the door and leave them there.

I understand your frustration Anonchick and I agree with you, but I bet that neighborhood wasn't in The Villages.

Here I go, thinking my life experience is typical.........Please don't yell, I'm trying.

[iandwk]

I think it is much ado about nothing.

Fish gotta swim and birds gotta fly and JW's are gonna do what they do.

I have to agree with Gracie.

You can't change them. Many have tried. They don't believe all of the Bible, so pointing out flaws in their doctrine is useless. I've never spoken to one who was anything but nice when I told them , "No, thanks." They just move on to the neighbor's house.

Where are the door-to-door girl scouts selling cookies? They could make a fortune here in TV. I have to find them in front of Wal-Mart nowadays. I know they have changed their policy for safety reasons, but I miss answering the door and unexpectedly winding up with some great cookies.

[BlueHeronFan]

Blue... Check out thE cdd website

http://www.districtgov.org/faq.aspx

In the FAQ section, it says cdd responsible for street signs, sidewalks, etc until maintenance is turned over to the county. So, perhaps the CDD is initially responsible until the county takes over. This may be just applicable to Sumter. I thought the situation was different in Marion and may be different in Lake.

In short, the intent is for Sumter county to maintain the roads, except for villa roads.

I learned something today. Much appreciated.

[Ajack]

That was a very insightful post Tweety. I have always tried to be civil to the door knockers because I too admire that they take two years out of their lives to proselitize. Well there was the one time when they wanted to chat as my hubby and I were leaving for the hospital to birth our son. I was not too corsial to them but I claim labor as a rightful excuse.

Good story,but I think you, at least, had a good reason to be less then cordial. I like to treat people the same way I would like to be treated. If I am not in the mood to open my door to certain people, I will just let the door bell ring until they go away. They face alot rejection and verbal abuse and I do not want to add to their burden.

[Talk Host]

When it's a politician, I tell them thanks for letting me know who I -won't- be voting for, and then I shut the door and leave them there.

I, on the other hand, welcome political candidates when they knock on my door. The way I see it is that I want to vote for the person who most closely reflects my personal philosophies and values. What better way to help determine this than to spend a moment talking to them personally inside my home, on my turf.

Door to door campaigning is a difficult, time consuming and distasteful part of the political process for the candidates. Anyone who takes the time to do that, to personally meet me face to face to discuss the issues and "ask for my vote " has a far better chance of getting it. Party affiliation aside.

People complain bitterly about who is in office. Who put them there? We did. Did we vote for a person we never met, or did we vote for a person who was a guest in our house (even for a few minutes).

I'm curious, if George Bush, Barrack Obama, Ronald Reagan, Bill Clinton, Charlie Crist, Alex Cink, or Rick Scott knocked on your door to ask for your support, would you shut the door? "All politics is local." Your local candidates have a bigger impact on your life that these national celebrities.

How can we "throw out the bums" if we don't know who the bums are?


JLK

[Ajack]

I, on the other hand, welcome political candidates when they knock on my door. The way I see it is that I want to vote for the person who most closely reflects my personal philosophies and values. What better way to help determine this than to spend a moment talking to them personally inside my home, on my turf.

Door to door campaigning is a difficult, time consuming and distasteful part of the political process for the candidates. Anyone who takes the time to do that, to personally meet me face to face to discuss the issues and "ask for my vote " has a far better chance of getting it. Party affiliation aside.

People complain bitterly about who is in office. Who put them there? We did. Did we vote for a person we never met, or did we vote for a person who was a guest in our house (even for a few minutes).

I'm curious, if George Bush, Barrack Obama, Ronald Reagan, Bill Clinton, Charlie Crist, Alex Cink, or Rick Scott knocked on your door to ask for your support, would you shut the door? "All politics is local." Your local candidates have a bigger impact on your life that these national celebrities.

How can we "throw out the bums" if we don't know who the bums are?


JLK
Very refreshing, Talk Host. That is a great attitude.

Regardless of ones political or personal beliefs, I try to remember that we are dealing with real people and not a faceless political party. Seems we are all wrapped up in the we and against them that real talking person to person is something of the past. All the time and money is spent on the electrical media.
Sadly, as we isolate ourselves in our cocoons, one on one or small groups actually discussing issues will be a quaint memory.

[AnonChick]

I like to treat people the same way I would like to be treated.

And the way I treat other people, IS how I'd like for them to treat me. I don't go to their homes uninvited and unannounced, ring their doorbells, and attempt to tell them about my relationship with the Lord.

Unfortunately, I can't always get that treatment in return.

[AnonChick]

I, on the other hand, welcome political candidates when they knock on my door. The way I see it is that I want to vote for the person who most closely reflects my personal philosophies and values. What better way to help determine this than to spend a moment talking to them personally inside my home, on my turf.

Door to door campaigning is a difficult, time consuming and distasteful part of the political process for the candidates. Anyone who takes the time to do that, to personally meet me face to face to discuss the issues and "ask for my vote " has a far better chance of getting it. Party affiliation aside.

People complain bitterly about who is in office. Who put them there? We did. Did we vote for a person we never met, or did we vote for a person who was a guest in our house (even for a few minutes).

I'm curious, if George Bush, Barrack Obama, Ronald Reagan, Bill Clinton, Charlie Crist, Alex Cink, or Rick Scott knocked on your door to ask for your support, would you shut the door? "All politics is local." Your local candidates have a bigger impact on your life that these national celebrities.

How can we "throw out the bums" if we don't know who the bums are?


JLK

If any of those people showed up at my door, and weren't holding out a teller's check to cover my last 5 years' income tax, then you better believe I'd shut the door. And I'd tell them next time they stepped foot on my property I'd invoke Castle Law and shoot them in the knee.

[Ajack]

And the way I treat other people, IS how I'd like for them to treat me. I don't go to their homes uninvited and unannounced, ring their doorbells, and attempt to tell them about my relationship with the Lord.

Unfortunately, I can't always get that treatment in return.

But if someday you need to knock on your neighbors or strangers door for any reason what so ever, I hope they treat you with respect.

[Talk Host]

If any of those people showed up at my door, and weren't holding out a teller's check to cover my last 5 years' income tax, then you better believe I'd shut the door. And I'd tell them next time they stepped foot on my property I'd invoke Castle Law and shoot them in the knee.


Here in the United States of America, we don't shoot our candidates for elected office. I suspect you would end up in jail and I believe that would be the proper result. I'm guessing that you would fit in well in a country where there are no free elections and no freedom of speech. However, there, you would not be put in prison for your actions, you would likely be executed without trial.

[BobKat1]

I just realized, that in spite of being inundated with non-stop TV advertising, at least 5-6 phone calls per day and daily batches of ads in the mail, we haven't had one person come to the door on behalf of any candidate in the upcoming elections.

Suppose they know a lot of folks are getting tired of it, and personal interaction may not be very well received??

[Sparky-30]

On the booths(gates) it specifically says no soliciting

[AnonChick]

Here in the United States of America, we don't shoot our candidates for elected office. I suspect you would end up in jail and I believe that would be the proper result. I'm guessing that you would fit in well in a country where there are no free elections and no freedom of speech. However, there, you would not be put in prison for your actions, you would likely be executed without trial.

Perhaps you've never heard of Castle Law. Not all states recognize it. However, it exists, and in states where it exists, it is -legal- to protect your private property by forceable means (including using a registered firearm) against tresspassers. Castle Law extends to the entire property, not just the inside walls of the dwelling. It is legal - LEGAL - to threaten to shoot someone who has already trespassed (that is to say - placed themselves on private property without an invitation or warrant), if they should do so again.

Politicians coming to your door without an invitation or warrant are trespassing. If you tell them to leave, and they don't, or they leave and return uninvited, they are committing a crime. Politicians have no more right to set foot on your property than burglars do.

[bkcunningham1]

The so called "Castle Law" only applies when someone is protecting themselve from a violent attack or an intrusion which may lead to violent attack. It does not apply for someone knocking on a door when you may have a no trespassing and/or no soliciting on your property.

[Ajack]

Perhaps you've never heard of Castle Law. Not all states recognize it. However, it exists, and in states where it exists, it is -legal- to protect your private property by forceable means (including using a registered firearm) against tresspassers. Castle Law extends to the entire property, not just the inside walls of the dwelling. It is legal - LEGAL - to threaten to shoot someone who has already trespassed (that is to say - placed themselves on private property without an invitation or warrant), if they should do so again.

Politicians coming to your door without an invitation or warrant are trespassing. If you tell them to leave, and they don't, or they leave and return uninvited, they are committing a crime. Politicians have no more right to set foot on your property than burglars do.

Try that in Massachusetts and they will give you a little room and the only trespassers will be your prison guards.

[Talk Host]

Perhaps you've never heard of Castle Law. Not all states recognize it. However, it exists, and in states where it exists, it is -legal- to protect your private property by forceable means (including using a registered firearm) against tresspassers. Castle Law extends to the entire property, not just the inside walls of the dwelling. It is legal - LEGAL - to threaten to shoot someone who has already trespassed (that is to say - placed themselves on private property without an invitation or warrant), if they should do so again.

Politicians coming to your door without an invitation or warrant are trespassing. If you tell them to leave, and they don't, or they leave and return uninvited, they are committing a crime. Politicians have no more right to set foot on your property than burglars do.

I hope some innocent child doesn't accidentally wander onto your property.

[jblum8156]

Gracie - It's funny, in all my visits from JWs in my former life (and there were many) I never saw one female long-haired or otherwise. Only men and boys. My daughter lives in Brooklyn where they have their world headquarters (temple, whatever), but they keep to themselves.
However, on their behalf, I do think they have a mandate to go out and do what they do. They don't choose to do it, they must do it.

[AnonChick]

An innocent child won't be coming to my door trying to shove a "why you should elect me" piece of garbage in my hands, pretending to be my pal, and promising things he has no intention of following through on, should mine be the lucky last vote that elects him for office.

An innocent child would probably get a smile and a wave from me, and possibly a walk home if he's lost. Politicians and prostheletizers come to your door with the very express intent to interrupt whatever you were doing. It's a shame to see such inane hyperbole on what was an interesting debate.

[Pturner]

I, on the other hand, welcome political candidates when they knock on my door. The way I see it is that I want to vote for the person who most closely reflects my personal philosophies and values. What better way to help determine this than to spend a moment talking to them personally inside my home, on my turf.

Door to door campaigning is a difficult, time consuming and distasteful part of the political process for the candidates. Anyone who takes the time to do that, to personally meet me face to face to discuss the issues and "ask for my vote " has a far better chance of getting it. Party affiliation aside.
JLK

I agree, Talk Host. I used to enjoy when candidates went door-to-door. If I didn't agree with their policies and they didn't agree with mine, we still listened to each other respectfully. If we agreed to disagree, I still wished them well and appreciated their efforts, even if I voted for the other guy/gal.

But, if we just want to slam the door in their faces without even listening to them and asking questions, we'll eventually end up with politicians who don't want to engage us either. If we threaten to shoot them for coming to us, maybe they and their surrogates will hire body guards and hurt or threaten to hurt us if we go to them and disagree or want to ask them questions. Maybe politics will grow increasingly mean and hostile until we are just hurling insults at each other.

Oh wait...

[Ajack]

An innocent child won't be coming to my door trying to shove a "why you should elect me" piece of garbage in my hands, pretending to be my pal, and promising things he has no intention of following through on, should mine be the lucky last vote that elects him for office.

An innocent child would probably get a smile and a wave from me, and possibly a walk home if he's lost. Politicians and prostheletizers come to your door with the very express intent to interrupt whatever you were doing. It's a shame to see such inane hyperbole on what was an interesting debate.

People have a right to say things here without being verbally accosted!!!

[bluedog103]

An innocent child won't be coming to my door trying to shove a "why you should elect me" piece of garbage in my hands, pretending to be my pal, and promising things he has no intention of following through on, should mine be the lucky last vote that elects him for office.

An innocent child would probably get a smile and a wave from me, and possibly a walk home if he's lost. Politicians and prostheletizers come to your door with the very express intent to interrupt whatever you were doing. It's a shame to see such inane hyperbole on what was an interesting debate.
You sound like a very angry person. Sounds like there's more going on there than a hatred of unannounced visitors. I feel sorry for you.

[Talk Host]

. It's a shame to see such inane hyperbole on what was an interesting debate.


The debate became uninteresting and turned ugly when you said that you would shoot our elected officials or candidates if they came to your house. I listed President Obama as an example of somebody I suggested you wouldn't shoot. It seems that you continued your position that you would if you weren't handed a tax refund. I believe that there is a VERY SERIOUS federal law that covers that kind of talk.

I'm guessing that you should hope that nobody forwards your post to the people who are charged with enforcing that federal law.

JLK

[AnonChick]

Again, I suggest you spend a few moments to read what I wrote. I didn't say I'd shoot anyone. I said I would threaten to shoot someone, IF they did not heed my advice to stay off my private property in the future, uninvited and without a warrant. If you want to forward my post to the feds be my guest. I never threatened anyone. I said I -would- if someone came to my house uninvited and without a warrant. You know, kind of like when parents say "if you don't do as I say I'll beat the living crap out of you?" Child abuse is illegal. Making a bold claim that you have no intention or means to back up - is not.

I don't own a gun, I have no idea how to shoot one. Perhaps you should stop taking yourself so seriously. It's just a bulletin board forum.

[Talk Host]

if any of those people showed up at my door, and weren't holding out a teller's check to cover my last 5 years' income tax, then you better believe i'd shut the door. And i'd tell them next time they stepped foot on my property i'd invoke castle law and shoot them in the knee.

jlk

[AnonChick]

Yes. "I'd tell them" being the operative phrase.

[Talk Host]

By the way, My parents never said to me that they "would beat the living crap out of me," nor did I ever say that to my daughter.

[AnonChick]

Apology accepted. :)

[K9-Lovers]

AnonChick must be a fan of Jerry Springer's show.

[Ajack]

You sound like a very angry person. Sounds like there's more going on there than a hatred of unannounced visitors. I feel sorry for you.

Maybe we can send her to the squares to deal with the "seat savers." :crap2:

[K9-Lovers]

Yup. I already posted in the Seat Savers thread about AnonChick. Go take a look-see. She's becoming quite well-known and has less than 40 posts!

[Ajack]

Yup. I already posted in the Seat Savers thread about AnonChick. Go take a look-see. She's becoming quite well-known and has less than 40 posts!

LOL Great minds think alike. We should give her a badge and a cowboy hat. LOL

[bluedog103]

Anon, here in NY in order for a candidate to get on a ballot they must have petitions signed. That's just the way it is.
I have been active in local politics for many years and have walked countless miles for countless hours, petition in hand getting signatures. We ring bells and knock on doors, unannounced, asking registered voters, in the party of my candidate, to sign the petition.
Almost everyone I've ever spoken with has been friendly. They don't always sign the sheet but that's their choice. I understand that. Nobody has ever been rude. If they don't want to sign they say so. NOBODY has ever chased me off their property. NOBODY has ever threatened to shoot me.
I assure you that if anyone ever threatens me with a gun, the first thing I'm going to do is call 911 and report a nut threatening to shoot me. I don't care if you don't have a gun, I don't care if you don't know how to use one. You'll be spending the night in the slammer.

[Pturner]

Anon, here in NY in order for a candidate to get on a ballot they must have petitions signed. That's just the way it is.
I have been active in local politics for many years and have walked countless miles for countless hours, petition in hand getting signatures. We ring bells and knock on doors, unannounced, asking registered voters, in the party of my candidate, to sign the petition.
Almost everyone I've ever spoken with has been friendly. They don't always sign the sheet but that's their choice. I understand that. Nobody has ever been rude. If they don't want to sign they say so. NOBODY has ever chased me off their property. NOBODY has ever threatened to shoot me.
I assure you that if anyone ever threatens me with a gun, the first thing I'm going to do is call 911 and report a nut threatening to shoot me. I don't care if you don't have a gun, I don't care if you don't know how to use one. You'll be spending the night in the slammer.

Yea! Door-to-door campaigning still lives! I do have one suggestion for such candidates and volunteers though. Do NOT "Tiptoe through the Tulips".:024:

[row-z]

I'm sorry to say but all the posts that say it is not allowed are wrong. I called the sheriff and asked them about it. These roads are owed but the state and maintained by the state and therefor public. We are not a gated community as seen by just pushing a button and allowed inside. The sheriff told me that the people can solicit but not harass you meaning if you say no they can not come back again. call the sheriff office as they are the only true source of info.

[delima2000]

We put a no soliciting sign on our front door and no one comes a knocking anymore..

[Bogie Shooter]

I'm sorry to say but all the posts that say it is not allowed are wrong. I called the sheriff and asked them about it. These roads are owed but the state and maintained by the state and therefor public. We are not a gated community as seen by just pushing a button and allowed inside. The sheriff told me that the people can solicit but not harass you meaning if you say no they can not come back again. call the sheriff office as they are the only true source of info.

The roads are owned by the county.

[rubicon]

That's exactly my point. What enforceable rules? The streets are public streets. The properties are owned by private individuals. The Villages doesn't have lawmaking authority, or does it? Even if it does, can it enforce it's Villages laws with outsiders? The only enforceable law would be one made by the county. Does that exist, it may.

I'm thinking that unless the homeowners post a "no trespassing" sign (no signs allowed) then nothing can be enforced.

The only reason I point this out is that I believe some people have a false sense that this is a gated, closed community. I think that on a public street anybody can stand and speak their piece? Knocking on doors is a little different if there is a "no trespassing" sign.

Somebody here talked about a "shotgun" to deter religious solicitation. Seems kind of extreme to me. What if it was a person from St. Marks handing out information about a spaghetti supper? I personally wouldn't aim a shotgun at them, (even an empty one) as I don't believe that it's a capitol offense.

JLK

It all has to do with the trespassing laws of Florida. For instance would FedEx or UPS delivery people be classified the same as religious groups, etc? The key being the definition of invited, uninvited and trespassers as defined by the state of Florida
I think you are correct moderator and that residents concerned with this situation ought to post no solicitation notices.

[pfhannan]

Solicitors of any kind are not allowed by the developer, no free passes.

[rubicon]

Solicitors of any kind are not allowed by the developer, no free passes.

Please cite authority because I have been here six years and I have had more people pay me a visit in that time than I did in all the other years I lived elsewhere. so if you are right as stated by said authority than said authority is not being enforced.

[Jullie]

Neighborhood watch will not do anything about it. I'm speaking from personal experiences.

[Bogie Shooter]

Solicitors of any kind are not allowed by the developer, no free passes.

Could you share the source of your statement? What is the basis of that position of the "developer"?

[Taltarzac725]

Could you share the source of your statement? What is the basis of that position of the "developer"?

It is part of the general deed restrictions. It is Rule 2.22 in some of the Deed Restrictions I checked online. However, I cannot see how it could prevent outsiders from soliciting door-to-door?? Some areas do have "No solicitation" signs posted. Perhaps, it is well enough marked to put visitors on notice??

[Bogie Shooter]

It is part of the general deed restrictions. It is Rule 2.22 in some of the Deed Restrictions I checked online. However, I cannot see how it could prevent outsiders from soliciting door-to-door?? Some areas do have "No solicitation" signs posted. Perhaps, it is well enough marked to put visitors on notice??

2.22 states "The developer has the right to restrict solicitation, etc..........
I think under current law that right is not available and it is up to the homeowner to invoke the tresspassing law.

[asianthree]

i hate it when someone is moving in and people just show up at their door:cus:

[Taltarzac725]

2.22 states "The developer has the right to restrict solicitation, etc..........
I think under current law that right is not available and it is up to the homeowner to invoke the tresspassing law.

What's the current law you point to in your post?? The gates I passed on my journeys today had a "No solicitation" sign posted where you wand your security card. I have not seen something like this though when you go through a Visitor gate. Could be there though as I am usually watching the traffic at the gates rather than was is posted on them.

[Bogie Shooter]

What's the current law you point to in your post?? The gates I passed on my journeys today had a "No solicitation" sign posted where you wand your security card. I have not seen something like this though when you go through a Visitor gate. Could be there though as I am usually watching the traffic at the gates rather than was is posted on them.

Current law being.....there isn't a current law. At least I could not find one.
I did read in The Village Voice the following;
"Community Watch cannot prevent anyone from coming into the community, such as visitors, solicitors and trespassers. CW can, however, assist residents with the removal of trespassers from their property, and call for law enforcement to investigate suspicious persons and remove trespassers if CW cannot persuade them to leave."
This tends to imply that solicitors cannot be kept out of TV, but can be asked to leave your property.