Golf Cart Speeding Tickets

[2BNTV]

As I future TV'er, I was wondering if the police are giving out tickets for someone doing a couple of miles over the speed limit, (maybe 22), as opposed to people doing 25MPH or greater when ticketed.

Is there a grace zone before they will ticket you?

Is there any special criteria the police used in giving tickets?

[logdog]

There was a thread started last week on this subject called "Sumter County Golf Cart Citations" which should answer all your questions. It got almost 130 posts as of a couple of days ago. The short answer is that you won't get a speeding ticket for going over 20 mph, you get a ticket for driving an unregistered vehicle which means court appearance and several hundreds in fines. Right now it's only a warning up to 25 mph and a ticket at 25 or over. But they are out there and it can get expensive to soup up a cart to go over 20.

[2newyorkers]

The speed sign was on the golf path on 466 this afternoon. I now know how fast my golf cart goes.

[graciegirl]

The speed sign was on the golf path on 466 this afternoon. I now know how fast my golf cart goes.

How'd ya do? I have a feeling our little Bessy is fast.

[billethkid]

Remember at 60 miles per hour you go one more mile....in an hour!!!!!

And most of us travel what, 10 miles per day in a golf cart? and going and paying for a cart that will go 3-5 miles per hour faster accomplishes WHAT?

To each his/her own. Life is too short to get there 11 seconds ahead of me.
And I do support the ticketing. Just like on the roads...the more the better.

I retired from the gotta go, gotta get there mode a long time ago. There are a lot of flowers here in TV to smell along the way.

btk

[mulligan]

Wanna race for pinks?

[Talk Host]

The speed sign was on the golf path on 466 this afternoon. I now know how fast my golf cart goes.

One has to wonder why the speed sign was there when there is no speed limit. What are they trying to tell us?

JLK

[GatorFan]

Talk Host--Not sure but I think the answer to your question would be, "Warning, Do not break the law"

[Hawkwind]

I do have a Decater Electronics radar set up that works and runs off a 12 volt lighter plug that I can bring down on my next visit and set it up. This is what the police use to use years ago before hand held and laser came along.

Now if I could only find a set of timers and a tree we could line 'em up.

Sunday, Sunday,Sunday

Sweet Bay International Speedway

Time trials at 10:00 am

Racing starts at 2:00 pm

9:00 pm curfew strictly in-forced.

[downeaster]

One has to wonder why the speed sign was there when there is no speed limit. What are they trying to tell us?

JLK

They are telling us how fast we are going.

[Talk Host]

They are telling us how fast we are going.



My point is that recently, a deputy told a group that there is NO speed limit on the golf cart paths. I know what the speed signs are for, but if there is no speed limit, what do we do with the information that it provides? Those things are suppose to tell us when we are exceeding the speed limit.

[Halle]

My point is that recently, a deputy told a group that there is NO speed limit on the golf cart paths. I know what the speed signs are for, but if there is no speed limit, what do we do with the information that it provides? Those things are suppose to tell us when we are exceeding the speed limit.

If you are in a golf cart that is going over 20 mph and it does not meet the legal requirement to be classified as an LSV you are driving an illegal vehicle. Now that you have that information you can decide to continue to break the law or meet the requirements to be an LSV or have the cart adjusted so the top speed does not exceed 20mph.

[GatorFan]

Correct me if I am wrong, but does anyone just drive on golf cart paths? At some point you have to leave the path to get to a restaurant, square, shopping or home.

[BigLew]

One has to wonder why the speed sign was there when there is no speed limit. What are they trying to tell us?

JLK

there is a speed limit 19.8 mph:laugh:

[BigLew]

If you are in a golf cart that is going over 20 mph and it does not meet the legal requirement to be classified as an LSV you are driving an illegal vehicle. Now that you have that information you can decide to continue to break the law or meet the requirements to be an LSV or have the cart adjusted so the top speed does not exceed 20mph.

actually if you are traveling on the golf paths even in an LSV you better be going 19.8 mph max

[Talk Host]

actually if you are traveling on the golf paths even in an LSV you better be going 19.8 mph max

I don't think this is correct.

[BogeyBoy]

I don't think this is correct.

I don't either.

Do you think Snopes could give us an answer?

[EdV]

Currently law enforcement has no jurisdiction to issue regular traffic violations on the multi-modal paths. So if you’re zipping along at 24mph in a golf cart, they can’t nail you with the “unregistered vehicle” ticket like they could if you were bombing down Morse Blvd. in the diamond lane (for golf carts).

But this could change in the future. I’m checking into this so stay tuned for further information as it becomes available to me.

[pampaul]

Is moving into the auto lane to pass a moving object in the recreational trail legal?

[iandwk]

Is moving into the auto lane to pass a moving object in the recreational trail legal?

I'd also like to know the answer to this question. Does anyone know for sure?

[Bogie Shooter]

Is moving into the auto lane to pass a moving object in the recreational trail legal?

Read Ed's post.

[BogeyBoy]

Is moving into the auto lane to pass a moving object in the recreational trail legal?

If you are referring to passing a slow moving vehicle in the lane designated for golf carts that is adjacent to the "normal" traffic lane - why not? Any vehicle that is authorized to use roadways can use any and all of the roadway as long as it is done safely.

You could be on a bike, in a golf cart, on roller skates, or whatever. Example: you are riding on your bike at 15 mph. Ahead are two riders going 10 mph side by side. You pass them with care.

[iandwk]

If you are referring to passing a slow moving vehicle in the lane designated for golf carts that is adjacent to the "normal" traffic lane - why not? Any vehicle that is authorized to use roadways can use any and all of the roadway as long as it is done safely.

You could be on a bike, in a golf cart, on roller skates, or whatever. Example: you are riding on your bike at 15 mph. Ahead are two riders going 10 mph side by side. You pass them with care.

Next time I am at Spanish Springs I will ask the deputy there, but I have to agree with you. Several times I have come upon a rental golf cart going as fast as he can go, I think about 14 mph, and I have passed. Mine only goes 20 mph, so I am not violating the law in that sense. Since the speed limit on these roads is usually 25-30mph, golf carts are allowed on them and passing should be and probably is legal.

[downeaster]

My point is that recently, a deputy told a group that there is NO speed limit on the golf cart paths. I know what the speed signs are for, but if there is no speed limit, what do we do with the information that it provides? Those things are suppose to tell us when we are exceeding the speed limit.

TH, this subject is covered in today's issue of the Villages Voice.

[Bogie Shooter]

If you are referring to passing a slow moving vehicle in the lane designated for golf carts that is adjacent to the "normal" traffic lane - why not? Any vehicle that is authorized to use roadways can use any and all of the roadway as long as it is done safely.

You could be on a bike, in a golf cart, on roller skates, or whatever. Example: you are riding on your bike at 15 mph. Ahead are two riders going 10 mph side by side. You pass them with care.

Wasn't the question regarding the recreation trails?

[BogeyBoy]

Wasn't the question regarding the recreation trails?

That's what I thought when I first read it, but where do you find an auto lane on a recreation trail?

[Talk Host]

Wasn't the question regarding the recreation trails?

What I find interesting about that is that most people "slow down" when they see those radar trailers. I know of very few people who "speed up" as fast as they can to see what the sign says.

I'm skeptical if that will be a good gauge to educate people about the upper limit of their cart speed.

Certainly, it will tell those going over 20 at the time. Will they run home and modify their cart downward? :laugh:


JLK

[Bottaboom]

Anybody else notice the advertisement on this site for a device that speeds up your Club Car?

A quote from the add.

"It says at least 4-5mph increase, we actually got a 7mph increase (20mph). Taller tires will add even more!"


I wonder how fast it will make your cart go if it can already go 20mph.

I find it amusing that this device is advertised on this site.:a20:

[ajbrown]

Anybody else notice the advertisement on this site for a device that speeds up your Club Car?

A quote from the add.

"It says at least 4-5mph increase, we actually got a 7mph increase (20mph). Taller tires will add even more!"


I wonder how fast it will make your cart go if it can already go 20mph.

I find it amusing that this device is advertised on this site.:a20:

If you have a Club Car that goes 20 MPH and you install this device properly your cart will go 20 MPH. It does not make a cart "illegal" and I suspect is why it can be an advertiser on TOTV.

https://www.talkofthevillages.com/forums/showthread.php?t=32594

[Bottaboom]

If you have a Club Car that goes 20 MPH and you install this device properly your cart will go 20 MPH. It does not make a cart "illegal" and I suspect is why it can be an advertiser on TOTV.

https://www.talkofthevillages.com/forums/showthread.php?t=32594

Another quote from the ad.

"When installed on a completely stock cart, an increase of up to 50% has been documented and can exceed 20 mph in some cases,"

Isn't the speed limit for a cart 20mph? .1 or .2 over the speed limit and if you install larger tires as the ad suggests you can go faster, is the same as rolling through a stop sign at .1 or .2 mph if your wheels don't come to a full stop. So anyone installing one of these might be breaking the law too.

The ad says what it says.

[Ajack]

I have been using a GPS as a speedometer. I usually go the speed limit when I can. My cart will go 26 mph. I am glad it goes that fast in the rare cases that I need to pass another vehicle or an emergency. Lets be real. Even on the highway, most law abiding folks will have a short spurt where they need to break the speed limit to pass another slow moving car, especially on a two lane road.

[Bottaboom]

I have been using a GPS as a speedometer. I usually go the speed limit when I can. My cart will go 26 mph. I am glad it goes that fast in the rare cases that I need to pass another vehicle or an emergency. Lets be real. Even on the highway, most law abiding folks will have a short spurt where they need to break the speed limit to pass another slow moving car, especially on a two lane road.

I hope your cart is equipped with the proper tires and suspension that can handle that kind of speed! Did you also take a high speed driving class?

I hope you know that I'm kidding. I thought I would say it in jest before someone says it and actually means it.

As Tim Taylor would say "More power"

[Ajack]

I hope your cart is equipped with the proper tires and suspension that can handle that kind of speed! Did you also take a high speed driving class?

I hope you know that I'm kidding. I thought I would say it in jest before someone says it and actually means it.

As Tim Taylor would say "More power"

Well, I do alot of walking along the multi-paths and I do see alot of older people who are probably more frail then I, so I would not want to have a little fender-bumper with them. That being said, I am a law abiding citizen, and I have never seen so many stop signs. A few substitutions with "yield" signs could be prudent.

[Bottaboom]

Well, I do alot of walking along the multi-paths and I do see alot of older people who are probably more frail then I, so I would not want to have a little fender-bumper with them. That being said, I am a law abiding citizen, and I have never seen so many stop signs. A few substitutions with "yield" signs could be prudent.

:agree:

[iandwk]

Well, I do alot of walking along the multi-paths and I do see alot of older people who are probably more frail then I, so I would not want to have a little fender-bumper with them. That being said, I am a law abiding citizen, and I have never seen so many stop signs. A few substitutions with "yield" signs could be prudent.
I'll add an amen to that. Have you driven along El Camino Real in front of Freedom Point? I stop at the stop signs, but there are a lot of them. I don't think the new trails they are installing will change that.

[iandwk]

I have been using a GPS as a speedometer. I usually go the speed limit when I can. My cart will go 26 mph. I am glad it goes that fast in the rare cases that I need to pass another vehicle or an emergency. Lets be real. Even on the highway, most law abiding folks will have a short spurt where they need to break the speed limit to pass another slow moving car, especially on a two lane road.

I understand your thinking. I feel the need to let you know that you may not be insured at all unless you are in a street legal machine. The insurance companies don't initially investigate how fast you were going if you were involved in an accident. The first thing they look at is to see if your cart has been altered, which makes it illegal to operate, and therefore they will not grant coverage for the accident. They don't care if you were only traveling 10mph. If it was your fault and there are injuries involved, say good-bye to a lot of your money. I would check with my insurance agent to make sure. This information came from an Allstate agent.

I don't like it either, but it's something that we have to live with.

[Ajack]

I understand your thinking. I feel the need to let you know that you may not be insured at all unless you are in a street legal machine. The insurance companies don't initially investigate how fast you were going if you were involved in an accident. The first thing they look at is to see if your cart has been altered, which makes it illegal to operate, and therefore they will not grant coverage for the accident. They don't care if you were only traveling 10mph. If it was your fault and there are injuries involved, say good-bye to a lot of your money. I would check with my insurance agent to make sure. This information came from an Allstate agent.

I don't like it either, but it's something that we have to live with.

I talk with my new insurance agency about my golf cart insurance when I purchased my home insurance a couple of days ago. I will take a golf cart policy.

[Ajack]

I understand your thinking. I feel the need to let you know that you may not be insured at all unless you are in a street legal machine. The insurance companies don't initially investigate how fast you were going if you were involved in an accident. The first thing they look at is to see if your cart has been altered, which makes it illegal to operate, and therefore they will not grant coverage for the accident. They don't care if you were only traveling 10mph. If it was your fault and there are injuries involved, say good-bye to a lot of your money. I would check with my insurance agent to make sure. This information came from an Allstate agent.

I don't like it either, but it's something that we have to live with.

If you seen the governor mechanism on my cart, there is no way they could tell if it was adjusted. There are no seals or any tamper proof discouragements attached.

[Bottaboom]

If you seen the governor mechanism on my cart, there is no way they could tell if it was adjusted. There are no seals or any tamper proof discouragements attached.

I'm not sure but I thought I read somewhere that the insurance company takes the cart to a dealer and they simply clock the top speed on level ground. I could be wrong. I was once.........once.;)

[Ajack]

I'm not sure but I thought I read somewhere that the insurance company takes the cart to a dealer and they simply clock the top speed on level ground. I could be wrong. I was once.........once.;)

I will carry a wrench wherever I go. :D

[billethkid]

She was stopped on a cart path and ticketed for going 24 mph.
Of course the court date was on the ticket, however being a typical highly active Villager....she forgot the date and did not appear.
One day there is a ring of the door bell and the sheriff is there to arrest her. She is taken away in handcuffs and locked in the local holding cell.
Then released to her husband. She now has a new court date that I am sure she will not forget.

btk

[army one]

I sometimes wonder why there is such a need for speed with golf carts. I read through this entire post and no one has mentioned the need for sufficient brakes. It is very logical that if you are going 30+ with a golf cart the manufacturer has designed the brakes to be able to stop safely from 20 or less that you are taking a chance. Just because you can modify a golf cart to go faster doesn't mean you can stop safely from that higher speed. If someone steps or pulls out in front of you would you be able stop in time to from 30? I rest my case.

[Talk Host]

I think one thing that people loose sight of is that if the speed limit is 65 and you go 75, that about 8% over the speed limit.

If the speed limit is 20 and you go 30, that's a 50% increase in speed.

Using the same values, if the speed limit is 65 and you increase by 50%, that's 97.5 miles per hour.

So an unregistered, non street legal cart doing 30 is equivalent to driving 97.5 miles per hour.

jlk

[memason]

I think one thing that people loose sight of is that if the speed limit is 65 and you go 75, that about 8% over the speed limit.

If the speed limit is 20 and you go 30, that's a 50% increase in speed.

Using the same values, if the speed limit is 65 and you increase by 50%, that's 97.5 miles per hour.

So an unregistered, non street legal cart doing 30 is equivalent to driving 97.5 miles per hour.

jlk

I don't know TH... a cart doing 30 is the equivalent to a cart doing 30. I'm an engineer, so I know about velocity.. ;)

[Bottaboom]

I think one thing that people loose sight of is that if the speed limit is 65 and you go 75, that about 8% over the speed limit.

If the speed limit is 20 and you go 30, that's a 50% increase in speed.

Using the same values, if the speed limit is 65 and you increase by 50%, that's 97.5 miles per hour.

So an unregistered, non street legal cart doing 30 is equivalent to driving 97.5 miles per hour.

jlk

It's not the same. To make a proper comparison you would need to calculate in weight, braking ability, wind shear, barometric pressure, elevation, road condition etc.

Using this logic Ajax could be driving around at 49.5mph! I hope you're wearing a helmet and your airbag is working well.:shocked:

TH, why do you advertise an item that can increase the speed of a golf cart to over 20mph?

[Talk Host]

TH, why do you advertise an item that can increase the speed of a golf cart to over 20mph?

The device is designed to increase cart speed from 14 miles per hour to 19 miles per hour. They have assured me that they will not install it on carts that are already at maximum legal speed.

We checked before we approved the ad.

[AnonChick]

The device is designed to increase cart speed from 14 miles per hour to 19 miles per hour. They have assured me that they will not install it on carts that are already at maximum legal speed.

We checked before we approved the ad.

It's a device they sell and you install it yourself. The website advertises that, and also advertises a customer testimony claiming that they got theirs to 20.3mph. There's another thread here though somewhere explaining why it isn't really going to get any faster than that. It's some kind of voltage capacity electrical RPM kind of technical thing with factory settings and some thingie that has 4 levels: 1, 2, 3, 4, and how the factory sets the Club Car to 3 and this device makes it as if it was set to 4.

[Talk Host]

I don't know TH... a cart doing 30 is the equivalent to a cart doing 30. I'm an engineer, so I know about velocity.. ;)

I'm talking about speed violations in proportion to the posted limit. Factor in that GOLF carts are built for safety at 20 mph. They would be exceeding their safety limit by 50%

A 65 mile per hour limit is put on a highway when it is determined that speed is the safe limit.

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[billethkid]

with standard golf cart speed equipment only. As do most country clubs.
Yes some are golf cart communities too where they use their carts for non golfing transportation.

Why the need for the 3-10 mph more speed? It is a ridiculous. All it does is create another method for potential accidents waiting to happen.
They add no value to the quality of life here in TV. The difference between a standard golf cart and a high speed golf cart is 6 inches!!!! (The space between ones ears!!!!).

btk

[Bottaboom]

The device is designed to increase cart speed from 14 miles per hour to 19 miles per hour. They have assured me that they will not install it on carts that are already at maximum legal speed.

We checked before we approved the ad.

Then you better re-read their ad. It clearly states that in some cases the cart will do over 20mph and installing larger tires will make it go even faster.
I state all of this in my earlier posts of today with quotes from the ad included.

[iandwk]

If you seen the governor mechanism on my cart, there is no way they could tell if it was adjusted. There are no seals or any tamper proof discouragements attached.

The man who owns the Club Car dealership says they get them in fairly often and they can immediately tell if they have been altered. He never explained how. That was good enough to convince me not to take a chance on losing my retirement to a lawsuit.

We all have choices we can make. We just need to be able to live with them. I couldn't live comfortably the rest of my life without income from retirement.

I was just giving you a heads up. What you do with it is entirely your business.

[Talk Host]

Then you better re-read their ad. It clearly states that in some cases the cart will do over 20mph and installing larger tires will make it go even faster.
I state all of this in my earlier posts of today with quotes from the ad included.

Well, I've got to tell you, I went to THEIR web page, not our ad, and found nothing about "installing larger tires to make it go faster." Did you add that yourself to augment your argument?

In any case, what do you want us to do? We are not responsible for the actions of the advertisers any more than you are. We can only take his word that he doesn't make carts reach illegal speeds.

Now, if you would like to go and test it, you can report your findings here.

JLK

[EdV]

.....Why the need for the 3-10 mph more speed? It is a ridiculous. All it does is create another method for potential accidents waiting to happen.
They add no value to the quality of life here in TV. The difference between a standard golf cart and a high speed golf cart is 6 inches!!!! (The space between ones ears!!!!).

btk

Billy, it’s not just the 5 mph difference that convinces some to go with a street legal cart.

First of all they have more safety features than a standard cart. My Tomberlin has:

1. Three point safety belts just like a car, and I always use them.
2. Four wheel brakes with disk brakes in front instead of drums only in the back. I can stop on a dime and get 9 cents change.
3. Full length DOT safety glass windshield. If a truck kicks up a rock passing me on Morse Blvd. it’ll crack the glass instead of my skull.
4. Heavy duty tip over bars instead of the usual flimsy aluminum channel bars on most carts. Prevents the roof from collapsing on you should the cart tip over.

Secondly, a street legal cart can go where standard carts can’t. If you live in the northern part of TV, getting to Wal-Mart, Lowes , Aldi’s, etc. is just a short hop across 441 at the Buenos Aires Blvd. intersection. In a standard cart you’d have to go all the way through Spanish Springs, over the cart bridge, wind your way back up through Orange blossom Hills and finally over that dusty bumpy dirt path and then do it all over again on the return trip.

Just some food for the 6 inches between your ears.

[Bottaboom]

Well, I've got to tell you, I went to THEIR web page, not our ad, and found nothing about "installing larger tires to make it go faster." Did you add that yourself to augment your argument?

In any case, what do you want us to do? We are not responsible for the actions of the advertisers any more than you are. We can only take his word that he doesn't make carts reach illegal speeds.

Now, if you would like to go and test it, you can report your findings here.

JLK

Goodness. OK, click on the ad then click on home. The statement is right above the video about two thirds down. You scroll down to see it. Here it is if you still can't see it.

The Video Below Shows Just How Easy it is to Install Your SpeedyLink: It says at least 4-5mph increase, we actually got a 7mph increase (20mph). Taller tires will add even more!

Oh yeah, I resent you saying that I added it to augment my argument and would like you to retract that statement. That was just wrong.

You asked "in any case what would you want us to do?" Nothing is the short answer, the long answer is I thought you said (about the cop watch site that I wanted to start) that this was your site and you could be held liable so you figure it out or maybe the money for the ad is more important to you then the safety of the residents. You can't have it both ways.

[red tail]

:mademyday:Billy, it’s not just the 5 mph difference that convinces some to go with a street legal cart.

First of all they have more safety features than a standard cart. My Tomberlin has:

1. Three point safety belts just like a car, and I always use them.
2. Four wheel brakes with disk brakes in front instead of drums only in the back. I can stop on a dime and get 9 cents change.
3. Full length DOT safety glass windshield. If a truck kicks up a rock passing me on Morse Blvd. it’ll crack the glass instead of my skull.
4. Heavy duty tip over bars instead of the usual flimsy aluminum channel bars on most carts. Prevents the roof from collapsing on you should the cart tip over.

Secondly, a street legal cart can go where standard carts can’t. If you live in the northern part of TV, getting to Wal-Mart, Lowes , Aldi’s, etc. is just a short hop across 441 at the Buenos Aires Blvd. intersection. In a standard cart you’d have to go all the way through Spanish Springs, over the cart bridge, wind your way back up through Orange blossom Hills and finally over that dusty bumpy dirt path and then do it all over again on the return trip.

Just some food for the 6 inches between your ears.

[Talk Host]

You asked "in any case what would you want us to do?" Nothing is the short answer, the long answer is I thought you said (about the cop watch site that I wanted to start) that this was your site and you could be held liable so you figure it out or maybe the money for the ad is more important to you then the safety of the residents. You can't have it both ways.

I'm afraid you are quite wrong about this. We are not responsible for what is contained on the website of our advertisers. If that was the case then every television station that carries the superbowl would be responsible for drunk driving deaths resulting from drinking too much Bud Light.

My suggesting would be that if you have an argument with their product, take it up with them and stop trying to pin it on us. And we are not going to have a "cop watch" forum here. If you would like one, I further suggest that you do it on your forum.

JLK

[Bottaboom]

I'm afraid you are quite wrong about this. We are not responsible for what is contained on the website of our advertisers. If that was the case then every television station that carries the superbowl would be responsible for drunk driving deaths resulting from drinking too much Bud Light.

My suggesting would be that if you have an argument with their product, take it up with them and stop trying to pin it on us. And we are not going to have a "cop watch" forum here. If you would like one, I further suggest that you do it on your forum.

JLK

What a great answer. I'm trying to remain civil but you are making it difficult with you accusations and innuendos. Very professional.

TH, you didn't respond to all of my reply only what doesn't make you look bad because you obviously didn't read the ad thoroughly. You have the power to discontinue the ad. I'm not trying to pin anything on anyone. I'm only pointing out that one side of you mouth is saying don't speed, don't roll through stop signs and you out of the other side you're condoning a product by advertising it on your site that can make your cart go faster. I'm done with this thread. I made my point, take it as you wish.
You don't debate very well when you're backed into a corner.

Sorry for throwing a monkey wrench into your little world where you think you are the king.

TTFN





TTFN

[army one]

TH - You can't reason with the unreasonable.

[chacam]

Secondly, a street legal cart can go where standard carts can’t. If you live in the northern part of TV, getting to Wal-Mart, Lowes , Aldi’s, etc. is just a short hop across 441 at the Buenos Aires Blvd. intersection. In a standard cart you’d have to go all the way through Spanish Springs, over the cart bridge, wind your way back up through Orange blossom Hills and finally over that dusty bumpy dirt path and then do it all over again on the return trip.

I think that anyone who crosses 441 in a cart isn't too concerned about their own safety !

[OpusX1]

Just to let everyone know I sent an E mail to the advertiser to see if the device would speed up my club car. I currently go around 19 mph and asked if it would increase my speed. They replied that it wouldn't. It is designed to increase speed of carts going between 12-15 MPH.

[Talk Host]

Just to let everyone know I sent an E mail to the advertiser to see if the device would speed up my club car. I currently go around 19 mph and asked if it would increase my speed. They replied that it wouldn't. It is designed to increase speed of carts going between 12-15 MPH.

Thank you.

[nitehawk]

I think that anyone who crosses 441 in a cart isn't too concerned about their own safety !

How about a bicycle or a motor cycle???

[nitehawk]

I think that anyone who crosses 441 in a cart isn't too concerned about their own safety !

how about a bicycle or a motorcycle!!!!

[chuckster]

Huh??

[KILLICKB]

Some comments: there seems to be many thoughts on "Rules for Operating Golf Carts In and Around The Villages". Are there any that have been published by appropriate authorities? For example: are the rules for operation on a Villages MM path the same as for operating down the edge of Morse Blvd, if not what are the variations? It would seem imperitive that any such rules be provided at time of home purchase, at time of a GC purchase, at each Village/County GC clinic etc. And of these rules which of them, if any, fall under state guidelines for operating a motor vehicle when the cart is not a registered road vehicle? Then maybe all we need is common sense and use the same judgement as we should when riding a bicycle on these same paths.

In our household we have an electric, 2000 recon. Club Car and electric, 2010 EasyGo. I am overtaken 70% of the time when in the Club Car yet and so after seeing the officer with the radar on Belvedere recently, got out my GPS and trundled to Publix and back ---- Av Speed 22mph!! Now, my wifes EasyGo, stock from the dealer, is way faster than that !! So much for the dealer assuring that their carts meet required Village speed limits. Without that GPS, my first inkling of exceeding the speed limit would have been that "sir, do you know how fast you were going?"

I also understand that if caught speeding the judge will offer you the options of having a dealer derate your cart or upgrading it to a street legal cart, proof of either being required at court ?

[EdV]

I think that anyone who crosses 441 in a cart isn't too concerned about their own safety !

Nonsense. That intersection is no more dangerous than some of the intersections on Odell, Canal, or Bailey Trail.

And just how safe do you feel driving down Morse Blvd. at 20 mph in a flimsy golf cart with no seat belt and nothing more than a thin white line between you and trucks hauling equipment trailers blasting by at 40 miles an hour.

[ajbrown]

Nonsense. That intersection is no more dangerous than some of the intersections on Odell, Canal, or Bailey Trail.

And just how safe do you feel driving down Morse Blvd. at 20 mph in a flimsy golf cart with no seat belt and nothing more than a thin white line between you and trucks hauling equipment trailers blasting by at 40 miles an hour.

How about driving a golf cart down Rio Grande Ave with half a wheel in the gutter! That is one of the places I feel most exposed......

[Ajack]

The man who owns the Club Car dealership says they get them in fairly often and they can immediately tell if they have been altered. He never explained how. That was good enough to convince me not to take a chance on losing my retirement to a lawsuit.

We all have choices we can make. We just need to be able to live with them. I couldn't live comfortably the rest of my life without income from retirement.

I was just giving you a heads up. What you do with it is entirely your business.
Maybe that dealer(Club Car) can tell if it has been altered. There are many golf cart brands that are still operable and many are 10 years old. My cart is 5 years old and there is a simple nut mechanism that can be adjusted in less then a minute. I doubt that any expert could tell when in time this has been adjusted. And don't forget, that nut adjustment can go both ways.

[red tail]

Nonsense. That intersection is no more dangerous than some of the intersections on Odell, Canal, or Bailey Trail.

And just how safe do you feel driving down Morse Blvd. at 20 mph in a flimsy golf cart with no seat belt and nothing more than a thin white line between you and trucks hauling equipment trailers blasting by at 40 miles an hour.

edvinmass...youre my hero...when it comes to this subject you always make the most sense. :mademyday:

[debzaranti]

I do have a Decater Electronics radar set up that works and runs off a 12 volt lighter plug that I can bring down on my next visit and set it up. This is what the police use to use years ago before hand held and laser came along.

Now if I could only find a set of timers and a tree we could line 'em up.

Sunday, Sunday,Sunday

Sweet Bay International Speedway

Time trials at 10:00 am

Racing starts at 2:00 pm

9:00 pm curfew strictly in-forced.

Hawkwind.....You are too funny! :a20:

[debzaranti]

Nonsense. That intersection is no more dangerous than some of the intersections on Odell, Canal, or Bailey Trail.

And just how safe do you feel driving down Morse Blvd. at 20 mph in a flimsy golf cart with no seat belt and nothing more than a thin white line between you and trucks hauling equipment trailers blasting by at 40 miles an hour.

Something that has been bugging me lately...and I don't know where to go to address the issue.

If you're familiar w/the cart paths south of 466, there are only a couple which employ "speed bumps" at the tunnels. There are at least TWO more tunnels that need speed bumps in the lane exiting the tunnel. One is the tunnel coming from Virginia Trace onto the Mallory side of the path. The other is the tunnel coming from Havana to the Colony path. I have personally experienced or been witness to way too many near misses. People coming out of these tunnels, who are turning to their right, "forget" to look to their left and pull right out. If there was a speed bump there that prevented them from pulling right out, at least oncoming carts would have a chance to SEE them and stop in time to avoid a collision.

Anybody agree with this? Any ideas on who to contact to get it done?

[mrdills]

If anyone feels comfortable driving from the North side of the Villages to Sumter landing over the 2 way bridge at night are just crazy. I will take driving over 441 anytime of the day.

[Ajack]

Something that has been bugging me lately...and I don't know where to go to address the issue.

If you're familiar w/the cart paths south of 466, there are only a couple which employ "speed bumps" at the tunnels. There are at least TWO more tunnels that need speed bumps in the lane exiting the tunnel. One is the tunnel coming from Virginia Trace onto the Mallory side of the path. The other is the tunnel coming from Havana to the Colony path. I have personally experienced or been witness to way too many near misses. People coming out of these tunnels, who are turning to their right, "forget" to look to their left and pull right out. If there was a speed bump there that prevented them from pulling right out, at least oncoming carts would have a chance to SEE them and stop in time to avoid a collision.

Anybody agree with this? Any ideas on who to contact to get it done?

I agree. As a walker-runner, I have seen it first hand.

[Rob Stevens]

I'm just guessing that he has a fast cart.

Rob
Competent Enough to Not
Need Union Backup

[golf2140]

Please, no more speed bumps, my kidneys can't take anymore. :boom:

[HMLRHT1]

I just returned from The Villages for a two week stay. I was well aware of all the mentions of speeding and the police patrols. Needless to say I saw a whole lot of patrol cars out there and did see one cart pulled over by a patrol car on Buena Vista Blvd. We rented our cart from Grandpa and Grandma's Village Buggies. Scott informed me of the increased police patrols. I had a cart with high speed gears on it and used my GPS to tell me my speed and stayed within a mile of the 20mph. We stopped by their shop one day to look at what they had and how they do it and a lady came in and started to tell them they were wrong for putting high speed gears on their carts. She was told that you have a car that goes 120 to 130 mph but that doesn't mean you should go that speed all the time. Should they lower the engines and gearing on cars to a max of say 75mph? I was told that almost everyone is putting speedometers on the their carts now. Also we went to Cart's and Clubs up in Ocala and they pretty much put speedometers on all of their new and used carts.

[2BNTV]

I like the idea of putting speedometers in golf carts.

I for one, would like to know how fast I am going to ensure not getting a ticket.

[Mikeod]

I like the idea of putting speedometers in golf carts.

I for one, would like to know how fast I am going to ensure not getting a ticket.
That was my idea as well. Unhappy with the performance of my cart as originally equipped (about 16-17 mph and much slower uphill, as snails were passing me) I spoke to the sales office and was told they had an upgraded motor that would solve the problem. $300 later the cart was much better.

Then I got stopped by the sheriff and was told my cart was too fast. I just got a warning, but that was enough. The cart went in for normal service where I bought it (I was worried about warranty being affected) and told them to put a speedometer on it so I can be sure I'm at a legal speed when on the roadways. Got the cart back and they had installed a speedometer AND adjusted the controller so my electric cart only goes 20. And slow up the hills, and starts from stop like a slug on Sominex. Soooo, after spending over $600, I'm almost back to where I started.

I spoke to the service people and was told they cannot let a cart go out that exceeds the limit. I asked what did they think I put the speedometer in for and was told some people just like to know their speed. Nothing was going to convince him to put the cart back to what it was. I'm now awaiting a phone call from the manager to discuss the issue. If they had called and told me they had to adjust the controller, I would have said to forget the speedometer. With the cart as it is, I don't need a speedometer. I did not authorize additional work. Plus, the cart was in the condition they gave it to me after the motor upgrade. So, refund the money or put the cart back as it was.

So, check before having a speedometer installed to be sure you don't encounter the same situation.

[Tbugs]

As of now, the police have no jurisdiction on the multi-modal trails. However, they will pull over a golf cart for speeding on the roads. This will also cost a lot of money due to the speeding ticket, traffic school, unlicensed vehicle, etc. Keep it simple, do not goose your golf cart to go above 19.8 mph unless it is street legal and do not have open beer containers in the cart while on the roads.

[Bosoxfan]

I have an EZGO 2010 RXV electric that came from the dealer going 22.9 mph.I know this because I have a fitness watch with GPS.What's great about this cart is it doesn't lose speed going uphill.I bought it new this way and have never tampered with anything . I don't want to get a ticket & I don't want to lose the speed this cart is capable of going.Are the cops going to pull me over for going 3 miles under the "speed limit"?

[ajbrown]

I have an EZGO 2010 RXV electric that came from the dealer going 22.9 mph.I know this because I have a fitness watch with GPS.What's great about this cart is it doesn't lose speed going uphill.I bought it new this way and have never tampered with anything . I don't want to get a ticket & I don't want to lose the speed this cart is capable of going.Are the cops going to pull me over for going 3 miles under the "speed limit"?

I remember you saying the cart came new with this speed in another thread. I have no idea if cops will pull you over at 23 MPH, but it always surprises me that any DEALER would sell a new golf cart that exceeds 20MPH. I would think they have a lot more to lose and are likely more liable than you in this case, but I am no lawyer.....

If there really is a crackdown on speeding I would think these dealers would get caught pretty quickly. If you get in trouble for going 23MPH, you are going to say I bought the cart from so and so, have not modified it at all....... which should lead to a knock on the dealer's door.....

[golfnut]

aj, I agree, it baffles me how a dealer can sell a cart that goes over 20MPH without liablity. bosox, you said are cops going to pull me over for going 3 MPH under the speed limit, didn't you mean 3 MPH over the speed limit....gn

[downeaster]

A reminder. A golf cart travelling 25 MPH is not ticketed for speeding as it is not exceeding the speed limit. It is ticketed because when it exceeded 20 MPH it was no longer a golf cart but was an unregistered motor vehicle with improper equipment, no insurance (the insurance company insured a golf cart not a car) no seat belts, no wipers, probably improper lighting, etc.

A speeding ticket can usually be handled by mail. The unregistered vehicle charge requires a trip to Bushnell and face a judge. Added to fines and court costs is the cost of making the cart to meet the "capable of exceeding 20 MPH" statute.

The law is quite clear about this. Those dealers selling carts that exceed 20 MPH may find themselves liable for their actions. However, those purchasing them cannot plead ignorance.

Bottom line: if your cart is capable (capable is a key word and part of the statute) of exceeding 20 MPH even if you are not actually exceeding 20 MPH you are in violation of the statute.

[Bosoxfan]

aj, I agree, it baffles me how a dealer can sell a cart that goes over 20MPH without liablity. bosox, you said are cops going to pull me over for going 3 MPH under the speed limit, didn't you mean 3 MPH over the speed limit....gn

Sorry..yes I meant over..good catch gn

[memason]

Bottom line: if your cart is capable (capable is a key word and part of the statute) of exceeding 20 MPH even if you are not actually exceeding 20 MPH you are in violation of the statute.

I think if "capable" is the key word, we are all safe. I'm certain my Yamaha cart is "capable" of exceeding 20MPH. I might have to tweek it, but it's "capable" .... :cry:

[wxradio]

I don't know about cart speed, but today I experienced one of the dumbest drivers ever (car). I came out of the cart tunnel (toward Southern Trace Shopping Center) under CR466 up to the stop sign on Wedgwood. I had the stop sign (or stop pole). A woman going north on CR101 and turning right on to Wedgwood stops dead on CR101 waiting for me to cross Wedgwood. I waived her on (I HAD THE STOP SIGN, SHE HAD THE RIGHT OF WAY). She wouldn't move. I got out of the cart and pointed to the stop sign and furiously waved her on...She looked at me and just hunched her shoulders! Cars started backing up on CR101, blowing horns, etc. She just sat there, turning her hands up in a gesture of "What?". I screamed "Go Go GO. I have the stop sign!! She would not move. Cars began turning around her to go down Wedgwood. Carts backed up behind me down into the tunnel with cart drivers yelling at me to go.
I finally had to cross the street...almost getting hit by a car coming the other way.
Why do cars to this?...stop for carts...when they have the right of way? Some body is gonna get killed if carts think they can just shoot across intersections when they don't have the right of way...

[Bogie Shooter]

I don't know about cart speed, but today I experienced one of the dumbest drivers ever (car). I came out of the cart tunnel (toward Southern Trace Shopping Center) under CR466 up to the stop sign on Wedgwood. I had the stop sign (or stop pole). A woman going north on CR101 and turning right on to Wedgwood stops dead on CR101 waiting for me to cross Wedgwood. I waived her on (I HAD THE STOP SIGN, SHE HAD THE RIGHT OF WAY). She wouldn't move. I got out of the cart and pointed to the stop sign and furiously waved her on...She looked at me and just hunched her shoulders! Cars started backing up on CR101, blowing horns, etc. She just sat there, turning her hands up in a gesture of "What?". I screamed "Go Go GO. I have the stop sign!! She would not move. Cars began turning around her to go down Wedgwood. Carts backed up behind me down into the tunnel with cart drivers yelling at me to go.
I finally had to cross the street...almost getting hit by a car coming the other way.
Why do cars to this?...stop for carts...when they have the right of way? Some body is gonna get killed if carts think they can just shoot across intersections when they don't have the right of way...
Its a seasonal thing.

[BogeyBoy]

Its a seasonal thing.

I wish it was just a seasonal thing.

People stop for carts year round. They do it for one reason, and one reason only: it annoys me!

[gary42651]

I was driving on the cart path near Palmer golf course and had a car past me.
, the tags told me he was from Canada, got to love the snow birds

[golfnut]

wx, if someone waves me on and the coast is clear i go, no need to try to educate them as it is futile....gary, need more info, what were u driving on the cart path, i assume it was a golf cart and if so are you saying there was a car that passed you on the cart path????......gn

[homeball]

I don't know about cart speed, but today I experienced one of the dumbest drivers ever (car). I came out of the cart tunnel (toward Southern Trace Shopping Center) under CR466 up to the stop sign on Wedgwood. I had the stop sign (or stop pole). A woman going north on CR101 and turning right on to Wedgwood stops dead on CR101 waiting for me to cross Wedgwood. I waived her on (I HAD THE STOP SIGN, SHE HAD THE RIGHT OF WAY). She wouldn't move. I got out of the cart and pointed to the stop sign and furiously waved her on...She looked at me and just hunched her shoulders! Cars started backing up on CR101, blowing horns, etc. She just sat there, turning her hands up in a gesture of "What?". I screamed "Go Go GO. I have the stop sign!! She would not move. Cars began turning around her to go down Wedgwood. Carts backed up behind me down into the tunnel with cart drivers yelling at me to go.
I finally had to cross the street...almost getting hit by a car coming the other way.
Why do cars to this?...stop for carts...when they have the right of way? Some body is gonna get killed if carts think they can just shoot across intersections when they don't have the right of way...

Auto drivers who have the right of way but allow golf carts to proceed anyway are just misguided but well meaning. They don't realize the safety issues they may be creating for their fellow motorists who may be stacking up behind them waiting for them to go on. This happens at Hemingway gate alot where a motorist will proceed thru the gate and then suddenly stop to allow a waiting golf cart to cross over. Any motorist following behind is then left stranded half in and half out of the gate waiting for this well meaning character to move on and clear the way.
Primary rule taught at golf cart safety classes is that in the interest of safety in all traffic cases cars always have the right of way.

[golfnut]

excellent point homeball, all i was saying was when a car waves me through even though they really shouldn't do this, provided everything else is clear i just proceed....gn

[Bogie Shooter]

excellent point homeball, all i was saying was when a car waves me through even though they really shouldn't do this, provided everything else is clear i just proceed....gn

I don't. I just sit there and wave them through.

[golfnut]

and how long do you sit there waiting for them to go thru......?

[Bogie Shooter]

and how long do you sit there waiting for them to go thru......?

As long as it takes. I'm retired, remember?

[GeorgeT]

As long as it takes. I'm retired, remember?

Yeah but what if you miss your tee time.

[Bogie Shooter]

Yeah but what if you miss your tee time.

I always leave early, so I do not have to speed on the cart paths.

[golfnut]

I'm retired too....gn