COVID Case Update

[The Gazette]

As most Villagers know, The Villages spans through three different counties. Here are the number of new COVID cases as of Mar. 30, according to the CDC website. In Lake County, there have been about 40 new cases over the last week. About 4 of those cases were admitted to the hospital, and no deaths

More... (https://www.gazettenewsthevillages.com/covid-case-update-12/)

[MartinSE]

Florida has some problems reporting it's COVID numbers. It turns out several counties reported over 100% of the population is vaccinated. I think one even reported 200% vaccinated. And they are not going to look into why or what. Some are guessing it is snow birds and/or vacationers getting vaccinated here, and they got reported as residents.

[JMintzer]

Florida has some problems reporting it's COVID numbers. It turns out several counties reported over 100% of the population is vaccinated. I think one even reported 200% vaccinated. And they are not going to look into why or what. Some are guessing it is snow birds and/or vacationers getting vaccinated here, and they got reported as residents.

Most times, the simple explanation is the correct one...

[MartinSE]

Most times, the simple explanation is the correct one...

Agreed

[Packer Fan]

And who cares? Can we get past this or should you start reporting Flu and RSV cases too? If you are vaccinated you have nothing to worry about. Move on.

[blueash]

Florida has some problems reporting it's COVID numbers. It turns out several counties reported over 100% of the population is vaccinated. I think one even reported 200% vaccinated. And they are not going to look into why or what. Some are guessing it is snow birds and/or vacationers getting vaccinated here, and they got reported as residents.

Martin, you wouldn't happen to have a link to that juicy statistic would you? Or did you hear it in the barber shop? You certainly wouldn't post a unsupported false rumor. I'm looking for data showing several reported over 100% [is that had one shot or fully vaccinated] and one county over 200% or nearly so

[golfnut]

Most times, the simple explanation is the correct one...

and what pray tell is the simple explanation

[Two Bills]

Our eldest daughter has a common cold at the moment.
Swears it's 10 times worse than when she had Covid!

[JMintzer]

and what pray tell is the simple explanation

Snowbirds and/or visitors...

[Bill14564]

Our eldest daughter has a common cold at the moment.
Swears it's 10 times worse than when she had Covid!

That's good for her.

Over 1,000 people died from Covid yesterday; for them it was something more than 10 times worse than the common cold.

[MartinSE]

Martin, you wouldn't happen to have a link to that juicy statistic would you? Or did you hear it in the barber shop? You certainly wouldn't post a unsupported false rumor. I'm looking for data showing several reported over 100% [is that had one shot or fully vaccinated] and one county over 200% or nearly so

I try not to post false information, I a certainly willing to admit when I am wrong - are you?

The report was by the PlamBeachPost.com, which is behind a paywall, so not not something I heard someone say.

Sorry to disappoint you.

[MartinSE]

Snowbirds and/or visitors...

That is the assumption made by the article, at PalmBeachPost.com.

And now we hear all the same posts we have heard for years. Oh well. Sorry to stir the pot. I should have known better.

[eeroger]

As most Villagers know, The Villages spans through three different counties. Here are the number of new COVID cases as of Mar. 30, according to the CDC website. In Lake County, there have been about 40 new cases over the last week. About 4 of those cases were admitted to the hospital, and no deaths

More... (https://www.gazettenewsthevillages.com/covid-case-update-12/)

What happens if you test pos with a home test and isolate for 5 days. This never gets reported. So, stats are all messed up. Plus hospitals get extra money for reporting Covid, even though someone came in for something else.

[MartinSE]

What happens if you test pos with a home test and isolate for 5 days. This never gets reported. So, stats are all messed up. Plus hospitals get extra money for reporting Covid, even though someone came in for something else.

Stats are always all messed up with pandemic's. The is STILL a running debate on the numbers for the Spanish Flu.

That doesn't mean they are wrong, it just means they are the best that we can come up with, based on maybe things, like people not being diagnosed, and people having co-morbidity, etc. etc. etc.

Science isn't perfect, but it is better than the alternative.

[Keefelane66]

as most villagers know, the villages spans through three different counties. Here are the number of new covid cases as of mar. 30, according to the cdc website. In lake county, there have been about 40 new cases over the last week. About 4 of those cases were admitted to the hospital, and no deaths

more... (https://www.gazettenewsthevillages.com/covid-case-update-12/)
about?

[Keefelane66]

Stats are always all messed up with pandemic's. The is STILL a running debate on the numbers for the Spanish Flu.

That doesn't mean they are wrong, it just means they are the best that we can come up with, based on maybe things, like people not being diagnosed, and people having co-morbidity, etc. etc. etc.

Science isn't perfect, but it is better than the alternative.
“ Science Is My Favorite Subject, Especially The Old Testament"

[Taurus510]

Our eldest daughter has a common cold at the moment.
Swears it's 10 times worse than when she had Covid!

I had the Rona as well. If God appeared and told me that I had to get the flu or the Rona, my choice, there would be no hesitation. I’ll take the Rona over the flu any day.

[blueash]

I try not to post false information, I a certainly willing to admit when I am wrong - are you?

The report was by the PlamBeachPost.com, which is behind a paywall, so not not something I heard someone say.

Sorry to disappoint you.

Please provide a link to the article. By the way, there is data and you can read it

HERE. (https://data.democratandchronicle.com/covid-19-vaccine-tracker/florida/12/) Updated as of today.

One county just over 100% at 104 for having had one shot. Not multiple counties. None near 200%. None over 100% for full vaccination.

It is allowed to cut and paste a limited amount of an article. So if you can't link, you could cut and paste the paragraph that shows what you claim the article reports

[MartinSE]

Please provide a link to the article. By the way, there is data and you can read it

HERE. (https://data.democratandchronicle.com/covid-19-vaccine-tracker/florida/12/) Updated as of today.

One county just over 100% at 104 for having had one shot. Not multiple counties. None near 200%. None over 100% for full vaccination.

It is allowed to cut and paste a limited amount of an article. So if you can't link, you could cut and paste the paragraph that shows what you claim the article reports

My Google search was: "Florida vaccination rates over 100%" Without the quotes. I make NO claims to the accuracy of either article (there are more, keep scrolling through my search results).


From the PalmBeachCoast.com - paywalled:

Link to article - if you subscribe you can read it:

https://www.palmbeachpost.com/restricted (https://www.palmbeachpost.com/restricted/?return=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.palmbeachpost.com%2Fstor y%2Fnews%2Fcoronavirus%2F2022%2F03%2F24%2Fflorida-overcounts-covid-19-vaccinations-because-snowbirds-tourists%2F6800073001%2F)

State overcounts vaccinations by 600,000 people. More than 100 Florida ZIP codes report more than 100% of their residents are vaccinated.

USAToday also paywalled:

https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/health/2022/03/25/florida-overcounts-covid-19-vaccinations-snowbirds-tourists (https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/health/2022/03/25/florida-overcounts-covid-19-vaccinations-snowbirds-tourists/7155385001/?gnt-cfr=1)

More than 100 Florida ZIP codes report more than 100% of their residents are vaccinated. · Health officials and Gov. Ron DeSantis say they have ...

[Susan1717]

And now we are finally seeing more reports on tests regarding natural immunity and how effective it is against hospitalization or death as vaccinations are. Everyone is affected differently. I’m just so glad to be living in our Florida state through everything.

[Pachine58]

Who cares.. just go live life.

[defrey12]

And who cares? Can we get past this or should you start reporting Flu and RSV cases too? If you are vaccinated you have nothing to worry about. Move on.

Agreed. It’s over. Move on. I believe THEY are reporting flu cases…as C19. Gotta keep the numbers and fear high.

[JMintzer]

My Google search was: "Florida vaccination rates over 100%" Without the quotes. I make NO claims to the accuracy of either article (there are more, keep scrolling through my search results).


From the PalmBeachCoast.com - paywalled:

Link to article - if you subscribe you can read it:

https://www.palmbeachpost.com/restricted (https://www.palmbeachpost.com/restricted/?return=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.palmbeachpost.com%2Fstor y%2Fnews%2Fcoronavirus%2F2022%2F03%2F24%2Fflorida-overcounts-covid-19-vaccinations-because-snowbirds-tourists%2F6800073001%2F)

State overcounts vaccinations by 600,000 people. More than 100 Florida ZIP codes report more than 100% of their residents are vaccinated.

USAToday also paywalled:

https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/health/2022/03/25/florida-overcounts-covid-19-vaccinations-snowbirds-tourists (https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/health/2022/03/25/florida-overcounts-covid-19-vaccinations-snowbirds-tourists/7155385001/?gnt-cfr=1)

More than 100 Florida ZIP codes report more than 100% of their residents are vaccinated. · Health officials and Gov. Ron DeSantis say they have ...

Seems like one article is simply a reprint of the other...

Question is, are either correct?

[Bethwill]

Let's PLEASE move on from Covid.

[Marine1974]

Actually if you think about it , Covid cases are underreported due to many people with Covid and no symptoms do not get tested but spread the virus .
You might inquire with the health department about the sewage treatment plants , what they are finding when testing for diseases .

[Marine1974]

The hospital workers taking care of
sick Covid patients care . They Risk their lives and their families who they come home too .

[Lindaws]

Don’t care much about numbers anymore

[trxi6565]

Agreed. It’s over. Move on. I believe THEY are reporting flu cases…as C19. Gotta keep the numbers and fear high.

Really ??? My mother in law was fully vaccinated and died of Covid!

[Marine1974]

ICU staff , hospital staff , doctors offices , nursing home staff , the paramedics and I’m missing many others who care about the risk of caring for sick covid patients . I can only imagine how they all feel
about folks that don’t care .

[Waltdisney4life]

Must be an election year!!

[camaguey48]

Really ??? My mother in law was fully vaccinated and died of Covid!
Sorry about your mother-in-law. Fully vaccinated and seemingly safe and one example why these vaccinations are useless. Again, very sorry and my condolences to you and your espouse. Faith over fear.

[merrymini]

We have been had by this covid thing. Time to develop an analytical and skeptical mindset.

[blueash]

Sorry about your mother-in-law. Fully vaccinated and seemingly safe and one example why these vaccinations are useless. Again, very sorry and my condolences to you and your espouse. Faith over fear.

What an ignorant thing to write Here are several equally ignorant sentences:

I know a person who died in a car crash even though she was wearing a seat belt. Seat belts are useless

I know a person who died of pneumonia even though given antibiotics. Antibiotics are useless.

Unless you've had your head in the sand or your eyes on the wrong information sources, you should be aware that there is incontrovertible proof that the vaccines save lives, and reduce hospitalizations, That is the exact opposite of useless.

Please, if you don't believe in modern medicine and the science behind it, please do not burden the health care system with your disease when you are hoping it can cure you of whatever you have. Just take your ivermectin. And count on your faith over fear to cure you.

[TFordos]

Our eldest daughter has a common cold at the moment.
Swears it's 10 times worse than when she had Covid!

You are an idiot; an uneducated bafoon! Why don't you go back to kindergarten!

[heenables]

That's good for her.

Over 1,000 people died from Covid yesterday; for them it was something more than 10 times worse than the common cold.
You mean over 1000 people died with covid not from it I assume?

[blueash]

My Google search was: "Florida vaccination rates over 100%" Without the quotes. I make NO claims to the accuracy of either article (there are more, keep scrolling through my search results).


USAToday also paywalled:

https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/health/2022/03/25/florida-overcounts-covid-19-vaccinations-snowbirds-tourists (https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/health/2022/03/25/florida-overcounts-covid-19-vaccinations-snowbirds-tourists/7155385001/?gnt-cfr=1)



More than 100 Florida ZIP codes report more than 100% of their residents are vaccinated. · Health officials and Gov. Ron DeSantis say they have ...

Thanks for at least being a google user. I see nothing in the snip you quote that says anything about several counties nor anything about a county near 200%. I see a reference to zip codes.

I did your suggested wording and got nothing other than those two identical stories, paywalled. I did find a report from the Florida Dept of Health from Mar 15 that did not show a single county over 100%.
http://ww11.doh.state.fl.us/comm/_partners/covid19_report_archive/covid19-data/covid19_data_latest.pdf

The phenomenon of some Zip codes having too many reported vaccines is not new. You can read a report, (https://www.local10.com/news/local/2021/09/22/90-of-miami-dade-vaccinated-its-just-not-true-experts-say/) not paywalled, from Sep 2021 on how one zip code in Dade county had a vaccine rate of 2700%

People age 18 and over in the 33122 area code had more than a 2,700% vaccination rate, according to the data.

Why is that zip code significant?

“That’s the airport,” Gelber said.

Miami International Airport has been a pop-up vaccination site open to anyone — not just county residents.

“I think what has happened is they have included all the vaccine tourists in the numerator but the residents are the only ones in the denominator,” Gelber said. “So the result is that you have these very, very, high vaccination rates because anyone who is seasonal or visiting are included.


Unless you have something more, we can put the topic aside as you have overstated your case.

[Jacob85]

People who are older and have had a booster have died. It’s interesting that with this older population they have minimized it the most! Sometimes I wonder how they lived so long!

[Gulfcoast]

I had the Rona as well. If God appeared and told me that I had to get the flu or the Rona, my choice, there would be no hesitation. I’ll take the Rona over the flu any day.

Me, too. Rona was a non event for me.

[MartinSE]

Seems like one article is simply a reprint of the other...

Question is, are either correct?

Well, a better question is does it matter that the numbers are potentially wrong.

I expect it doesn't matter in the over all scheme of things. It is more sad that we can't even come up with an accurate count of residents and "others". But oh well.

I see some just asking if it matters at all because it is OVER, I guess I don't know if it matter, I would ask the families of the 5,000 people that died in FLORIDA last week.

[JMintzer]

Well, a better question is does it matter that the numbers are potentially wrong.

I expect it doesn't matter in the over all scheme of things. It is more sad that we can't even come up with an accurate count of residents and "others". But oh well.

I see some just asking if it matters at all because it is OVER, I guess I don't know if it matter, I would ask the families of the 5,000 people that died in FLORIDA last week.

Aaaaand we're back to the emotional arguments...

I'm out. See Ya!

[camaguey48]

What an ignorant thing to write Here are several equally ignorant sentences:

I know a person who died in a car crash even though she was wearing a seat belt. Seat belts are useless

I know a person who died of pneumonia even though given antibiotics. Antibiotics are useless.

Unless you've had your head in the sand or your eyes on the wrong information sources, you should be aware that there is incontrovertible proof that the vaccines save lives, and reduce hospitalizations, That is the exact opposite of useless.

Please, if you don't believe in modern medicine and the science behind it, please do not burden the health care system with your disease when you are hoping it can cure you of whatever you have. Just take your ivermectin. And count on your faith over fear to cure you.
Vaccinations are useless. That's not ignorance, sir, that is fact. You can spin it any way you want, but still the jabs are useless. I'm not anti vax, you can continue to be a pin cushion and roll up your sleeves every time the "Good doctor" tells you; that's your right. Trust no one, government even less.

[Taurus510]

You are an idiot; an uneducated bafoon! Why don't you go back to kindergarten!
That’s an intelligent response. Someone’s personal experience makes them an uneducated buffoon, (not bafoon), and an idiot.

[MartinSE]

Thanks for at least being a google user. I see nothing in the snip you quote that says anything about several counties nor anything about a county near 200%. I see a reference to zip codes.

I did your suggested wording and got nothing other than those two identical stories, paywalled. I did find a report from the Florida Dept of Health from Mar 15 that did not show a single county over 100%.
http://ww11.doh.state.fl.us/comm/_partners/covid19_report_archive/covid19-data/covid19_data_latest.pdf

The phenomenon of some Zip codes having too many reported vaccines is not new. You can read a report, (https://www.local10.com/news/local/2021/09/22/90-of-miami-dade-vaccinated-its-just-not-true-experts-say/) not paywalled, from Sep 2021 on how one zip code in Dade county had a vaccine rate of 2700%




Unless you have something more, we can put the topic aside as you have overstated your case.

We can certainly put it aside, with the clarification, I did not make a case, in fact the opposite, I simply referred to the two articles and I clearly stated that I could not vouch for the accuracy of the articles. I guess you skipped that line.

[MartinSE]

Vaccinations are useless. That's not ignorance, sir, that is fact. You can spin it any way you want, but still the jabs are useless. I'm not anti vax, you can continue to be a pin cushion and roll up your sleeves every time the "Good doctor" tells you; that's your right. Trust no one, government even less.

Sadly, you are wrong. Hospitals are crowded to the point my brother had a stroke and had to get in line behind all the people that refused to get vaccinated.

But, continue to deny facts, and listen to the hate and fear mongers on Fox, OAN, and NewsMax.

[Harold.wiser]

The "pandemic" is over. People die every day from a multitude of things. We don't get (nor do we need) updates on deaths from those issues any more than we need to hear about covid numbers. Learn to live with it because it's not going away.

[mlmarr]

As most Villagers know, The Villages spans through three different counties. Here are the number of new COVID cases as of Mar. 30, according to the CDC website. In Lake County, there have been about 40 new cases over the last week. About 4 of those cases were admitted to the hospital, and no deaths

More... (https:/a/www.gazettenewsthevillages.com/covid-case-update-12/)

take care yourself, immune system fixes with good vitamins .. worrying about the unknown and others will make you sick .. move on with your life and health .. the north will soon experience the spring pollen allergies that show up every year..

[maistocars]

The Gazette needs to get off this daily fear-mongering position. It's as if they are drunk on COVID. If people want to really know, they can easily look it up.

[Deden]

Go to COVID.GOV

[Velvet]

Martin, you wouldn't happen to have a link to that juicy statistic would you? Or did you hear it in the barber shop? You certainly wouldn't post a unsupported false rumor. I'm looking for data showing several reported over 100% [is that had one shot or fully vaccinated] and one county over 200% or nearly so

Unless it is specifically broken down by how many people got one shot, how many two, how many booster, the reporting used to be shots as compared to the population. So if there were 1 million people in country and 1million vaccines were given they would report it as 100% vaccination (eg Bloomberg). If there were 2 million shots given, that would be reported as 200% even though not everyone got 2 shots each, some got 3 shots, maybe even 4 shots etc.

[Bill14564]

You mean over 1000 people died with covid not from it I assume?

You know what they say about assuming? It's at least half correct in this case.

I meant exactly what I wrote. Not interested in conspiracy theories or vax-deniers or any other "I saw it on the internet so it must be true" foolishness.

[Bill14564]

The Gazette needs to get off this daily fear-mongering position. It's as if they are drunk on COVID. If people want to really know, they can easily look it up.

I see these articles once per week at most. Doesn't seem like "daily" at all. And where is the fear-mongering, did you even read the article?

Correct, if people want to really know, they can easily look it up ... in the Gazette.

[Bill14564]

Vaccinations are useless. That's not ignorance, sir, that is fact. You can spin it any way you want, but still the jabs are useless. I'm not anti vax, you can continue to be a pin cushion and roll up your sleeves every time the "Good doctor" tells you; that's your right. Trust no one, government even less.

Can you present ANY authoritative source for your "fact?" There is an entire scientific and medical community that has real data showing that vaccines DO work.

[cmilioni]

Do you realize that throughout this whole “pandemic “ the United States rate of recovery from Covid was 99.945%? That’s what we shut this country for.

More... (https://www.gazettenewsthevillages.com/covid-case-update-12/)[/QUOTE]

[MartinSE]

Do you realize that throughout this whole “pandemic “ the United States rate of recovery from Covid was 99.945%? That’s what we shut this country for.

More... (https://www.gazettenewsthevillages.com/covid-case-update-12/)[/QUOTE]

And with that recovery rate (which does not take into account long-haul effects which we are finding now are affecting more than we thought) includes a million Americans dying from COVID so far, and 5,000 more in Florida alone last week. And the MAJORITY of those that died were not vaccinated. Those are in fact, facts.

[Worldseries27]

you are an idiot; an uneducated bafoon! Why don't you go back to kindergarten!
1. Use your words.
2. 3 posts in nearly 10 years means that your hibernation cycle is imminent. Sleep well

[Weiserj]

I got Rona then flu 3 weeks later. Flu knocked me on my butt. BTW, No j-ab-s for me - building a healthy immune system and trusting God.

[Two Bills]

You are an idiot; an uneducated bafoon! Why don't you go back to kindergarten!

You could be right in your opinion.
But.
I can spell buffoon correctly

[MartinSE]

I got Rona then flu 3 weeks later. Flu knocked me on my butt. BTW, No j-ab-s for me - building a healthy immune system and trusting God.

That was not an option for the girl I knew growing up that died of polio. There are things in the world that your immune system is not aware of, and won't protect you from no matter how healthy you are.

[MartinSE]

You could be right in your opinion.
But.
I can spell buffoon correctly

:ho:
:a040:

[montagnard1969]

The rationale here is to keep everyone scared of the Wuhan Virius [AKA Covid 19] and of course we can't name it as the place of origin because it is RACIST. I guess like the Spanish Flu, eh?
The big Pharma companies are making MILLIONS on this scam. I ask my doctor if I should get a second booster because we're traveling to Italy this month. His response: there is nothing in the booster that wasn't in the first two shots I got. Repeating the same thing again provides no recorded benefit and therefore no rationale for getting another booster.
Big Pharma isn't going to let this opportunity to earn millions of your tax dollars in order to advance their own agenda. This has been a scam since day one.
How many people die of the seasonal flu that no one seems to be concerned about? How about those who die of alcohol, tobacco and drug abuse annually, but no one makes any headlines about that, right?
The media is also complicit in this fiasco too as sensationalized news sells, right?
I am not claiming the Wuhan Virus isn't dangerous because if effects the respiratory system in ways other flu viruses do not and is highly transmissible. But that said there are plenty of disease that are making a return that have been almost non-existent in the US for years. Now where are these diseases coming from? When everyone was so concerned about catching Wuhan Virus they were taking every precaution. Now I see people going about in public without masks and to the rest room without washing their hands. Back to the old habits, perhaps a return for a resurgence of disease spreading?
When this fiasco was going on I didn't hear of any hospital reporting anyone dying of anything but Wuhan Virus. What happened to the heart attacks, auto accidents, gun shot wounds, cancer cases, strokes, leukemia, shock from auto accidents, et al? Conveniently everything was Wuhan Virus. Doesn't this make you think something is rotten in the reporting? How gullible can people be? I guess VERY gullible and influenced by the media who OVER REPORTS everything Wuhan Virus related. Wake up people you are being scammed for the most part. The vulnerable need these shots, but the rest of us, not really. Let's see how the Pharma and media companies are going to tie the Wuhan Virus to the seasonal flu this year to keep the money flowing from government to these outfits. It is a shame people are so fearful that they will do anything, follow any story and believe the government stooge like Fauci because they know so much. Just look back to cigarettes, doesn't cause cancer according to the CEO's that testified. Dow Chemical, 24T and 245D [AKA Agent Orange] does not cause cancer, yet many died from exposure to these chemicals and those living are still suffering the effects. Believe us because we know better, yeah right! Remember this phrase; “We’re from the government, and we’re here to help you”?
As an aside, what are the long-term effects of stacking virus shots on top of virus shots on top of pharmaceutical doses on top of medical treatments? Perhaps the cure is worse than the disease you are trying to avoid/cure? When will people wake up; probably never or perhaps just before they die of all these medical miracles?

[MartinSE]

The rationale here is to keep everyone scared of the Wuhan Virius [AKA Covid 19] and of course we can't name it as the place of origin because it is RACIST. I guess like the Spanish Flu, eh?
The big Pharma companies are making MILLIONS on this scam. I ask my doctor if I should get a second booster because we're traveling to Italy this month. His response: there is nothing in the booster that wasn't in the first two shots I got. Repeating the same thing again provides no recorded benefit and therefore no rationale for getting another booster.
Big Pharma isn't going to let this opportunity to earn millions of your tax dollars in order to advance their own agenda. This has been a scam since day one.
How many people die of the seasonal flu that no one seems to be concerned about? How about those who die of alcohol, tobacco and drug abuse annually, but no one makes any headlines about that, right?
The media is also complicit in this fiasco too as sensationalized news sells, right?
I am not claiming the Wuhan Virus isn't dangerous because if effects the respiratory system in ways other flu viruses do not and is highly transmissible. But that said there are plenty of disease that are making a return that have been almost non-existent in the US for years. Now where are these diseases coming from? When everyone was so concerned about catching Wuhan Virus they were taking every precaution. Now I see people going about in public without masks and to the rest room without washing their hands. Back to the old habits, perhaps a return for a resurgence of disease spreading?
When this fiasco was going on I didn't hear of any hospital reporting anyone dying of anything but Wuhan Virus. What happened to the heart attacks, auto accidents, gun shot wounds, cancer cases, strokes, leukemia, shock from auto accidents, et al? Conveniently everything was Wuhan Virus. Doesn't this make you think something is rotten in the reporting? How gullible can people be? I guess VERY gullible and influenced by the media who OVER REPORTS everything Wuhan Virus related. Wake up people you are being scammed for the most part. The vulnerable need these shots, but the rest of us, not really. Let's see how the Pharma and media companies are going to tie the Wuhan Virus to the seasonal flu this year to keep the money flowing from government to these outfits. It is a shame people are so fearful that they will do anything, follow any story and believe the government stooge like Fauci because they know so much. Just look back to cigarettes, doesn't cause cancer according to the CEO's that testified. Dow Chemical, 24T and 245D [AKA Agent Orange] does not cause cancer, yet many died from exposure to these chemicals and those living are still suffering the effects. Believe us because we know better, yeah right! Remember this phrase; “We’re from the government, and we’re here to help you”?
As an aside, what are the long-term effects of stacking virus shots on top of virus shots on top of pharmaceutical doses on top of medical treatments? Perhaps the cure is worse than the disease you are trying to avoid/cure? When will people wake up; probably never or perhaps just before they die of all these medical miracles?

Just about everything you said is wrong. Sorry. I was going to respond to it all, but it just is no longer worth my time. (BTW Flu kills about 30K per year, it is documented. COVID killed 1,000,000 in two years and is still killing about 1,000 per day.)

[Taurus510]

Just about everything you said is wrong. Sorry. I was going to respond to it all, but it just is no longer worth my time. (BTW Flu kills about 30K per year, it is documented. COVID killed 1,000,000 in two years and is still killing about 1,000 per day.)
No one can say for sure how many died OF the Rona, because the CDC reported that anyone who died WITH the Rona were classified as dying OF the Rona. No matter that you may have just suffered a massive heart attack. Did he have the Rona? Yes. Then the Rona killed him. Patient died while in hospice with stage four cancer, did he have the Rona? Yes. Then the Rona killed him. Do you understand how the fatality numbers are at best worthless? And why no one believes the government, or the media or the medical community any more? Personally, I think it’s a tragedy that the medical community drank the Kool-Aid so willingly. In my eyes now, they’re grouped with the media and the government.

[MartinSE]

No one can say for sure how many died OF the Rona, because the CDC reported that anyone who died WITH the Rona were classified as dying OF the Rona. No matter that you may have just suffered a massive heart attack. Did he have the Rona? Yes. Then the Rona killed him. Patient died while in hospice with stage four cancer, did he have the Rona? Yes. Then the Rona killed him. Do you understand how the fatality numbers are at best worthless? And why no one believes the government, or the media or the medical community any more? Personally, I think it’s a tragedy that the medical community drank the Kool-Aid so willingly. In my eyes now, they’re grouped with the media and the government.

This is not entirely true either.

In some case that did happen, the over reporting, but in most it didn't. There are guidelines for diagnosing cause of death, legal guidelines. And, most doctors actually try to do their job and accurately determine cause of death. If there are comorbidity, there are guidelines how to rank them.

Of course mistakes happen, of course some people lie. But, the numbers published are the most accurate that we have, and the CDC is working very hard to make sure they are right.

In order for there to be a conspiracy there would have to have been people from all over the world working to convince people of the lies. I don't buy it, you are not getting millions of healthcare workers from all over the world to agree to lie about why people died.

[Taurus510]

This is not entirely true either.

In some case that did happen, the over reporting, but in most it didn't. There are guidelines for diagnosing cause of death, legal guidelines. And, most doctors actually try to do their job and accurately determine cause of death. If there are comorbidity, there are guidelines how to rank them.

Of course mistakes happen, of course some people lie. But, the numbers published are the most accurate that we have, and the CDC is working very hard to make sure they are right.

In order for there to be a conspiracy there would have to have been people from all over the world working to convince people of the lies. I don't buy it, you are not getting millions of healthcare workers from all over the world to agree to lie about why people died.
We’ll, in my instance, both these cases were known personally to me, two completely different parts of the country. One a close friend, the other an immediate family member. We tried to get the cause of death corrected, no luck. We even contacted two different very reputable lawyers. Both said they would represent us, but we were very likely to spend a lot of money and still lose. So, from my experience, I will never trust another medical person, government official or the media.

[MartinSE]

We’ll, in my instance, both these cases were known personally to me, two completely different parts of the country. One a close friend, the other an immediate family member. We tried to get the cause of death corrected, no luck. We even contacted two different very reputable lawyers. Both said they would represent us, but we were very likely to spend a lot of money and still lose. So, from my experience, I will never trust another medical person, government official or the media.

That is two out of 490 million total cases, or 2 out of 6 million deaths.

I said, I am sure it happens, but the number is small and taken into account in the "margin of error" included with the numbers from CDC. People die in traffic accidents while wearing seat belts. Doesn't mean seat belt safety is a lie. It just means sh1t happens.

And "I will never trust another medical person, government official or the media."

That means you will not go to an emergency room if you have a stroke or heart attack? If you fall and break a hip?

That seems like a little hyperbole.

[JMintzer]

That is two out of 490 million total cases, or 2 out of 6 million deaths.

I said, I am sure it happens, but the number is small and taken into account in the "margin of error" included with the numbers from CDC. People die in traffic accidents while wearing seat belts. Doesn't mean seat belt safety is a lie. It just means sh1t happens.

And "I will never trust another medical person, government official or the media."

That means you will not go to an emergency room if you have a stroke or heart attack? If you fall and break a hip?

That seems like a little hyperbole.

Well, the Director of Health for Ohio (or was it Illinois?) actually came out and stated that anyone who dies with a positive covid test "died of covid". Even if it was an MVA or GSW...

And the CDC recently came out and said they over reported children's deaths from covid by about 24%... Due to "coding errors"... Seems to me that's a lot of "coding errors"...

[MartinSE]

Well, the Director of Health for Ohio (or was it Illinois?) actually came out and stated that anyone who dies with a positive covid test "died of covid". Even if it was an MVA or GSW...

And the CDC recently came out and said they over reported children's deaths from covid by about 24%... Due to "coding errors"... Seems to me that's a lot of "coding errors"...

I believe I said that there is over reporting.

And the SG for Florida came out and said vaccinations and masks don't work (in effect) . There are no qualifications required for those positions other than kissing the governors butt.

And yes, that is a LOT of coding errors, but uh, they found it and admitted it. Sound like what honest people do when they make a mistake.

[Keefelane66]

After 2 years of DATA and RESEARCH conclusive proof ivermectin doesn’t work to treat Covid.

[Taurus510]

That is two out of 490 million total cases, or 2 out of 6 million deaths.

I said, I am sure it happens, but the number is small and taken into account in the "margin of error" included with the numbers from CDC. People die in traffic accidents while wearing seat belts. Doesn't mean seat belt safety is a lie. It just means sh1t happens.

And "I will never trust another medical person, government official or the media."

That means you will not go to an emergency room if you have a stroke or heart attack? If you fall and break a hip?

That seems like a little hyperbole.
Yes, you are correct, that’s two out of everyone who died with the Rona. However it is 100% of all the people that I know who died with the Rona. And I have spoken to others who have the same story. One can keep drinking the Kool-Aid and believe the numbers if one wants to. But hospitals were monetarily incentivized to inflate Rona numbers, if one would remove the blinders they would see that things aren’t right with the reporting.

As far as getting medical care, of course I will seek it if needed. However, after the swine flu panic, avian flu panic, this Rona panic, as well as others, the media and government has blown their trust with a large portion of the population. And the medical community has caused great self harm to themselves in the Rona panic fiasco. Over reporting during the panic to prolong the panic, then admitting to over reporting later doesn’t sound very noble to me. What if I screamed through your bedroom window that your house was on fire at 2:00 am in the morning, and you broke a leg climbing out the window only to find a small grass fire that I was immediately able to stomp out. I could then say, I’m sorry, I guess I over reported that fire. Would you be all this forgiving toward me?

[camaguey48]

After 2 years of DATA and RESEARCH conclusive proof ivermectin doesn’t work to treat Covid.
No, I don't believe you are correct, but I will just move on without fear and let you be wrong.

[MartinSE]

One can keep drinking the Kool-Aid and believe the numbers if one wants to.

And with this we end the discussion, since you feel compelled to insult me.

My "Kool-Aid" is to trust the people that know what they are talking about and not politicians or internet gurus, or hate mongers on various news outlets.

Have a nice life, and I hope for your sake you don't become one of the statistics.

[MartinSE]

No, I don't believe you are correct, but I will just move on without fear and let you be wrong.

Take it or leave it, I am NOT trying to convince you, just providing information - you can and will draw your own conclusions.

NPR: Ivermectin-covid-treatment-brazil-study (https://www.npr.org/2022/03/30/1089809588/ivermectin-covid-treatment-brazil-study)

[JMintzer]

I believe I said that there is over reporting.

And the SG for Florida came out and said vaccinations and masks don't work (in effect) . There are no qualifications required for those positions other than kissing the governors butt.

And yes, that is a LOT of coding errors, but uh, they found it and admitted it. Sound like what honest people do when they make a mistake.

:1rotfl::1rotfl::1rotfl:

[davem4616]

I'm quite done worrying about the number of new cases or old cases

I've moved on

[MartinSE]

I'm quite done worrying about the number of new cases or old cases

I've moved on

I am happy for you, I will pass that on to the 600 families that lost a member today.

[JMintzer]

I am happy for you, I will pass that on to the 600 families that lost a member today.

From or With Covid?