Voter Fraud in The Villages

[Grill Meister]

I just read the headlines from the Orlando newspaper that two Villagers had admitted voter fraud in the 2020 elections but will not serve any jail time. I am not a subscriber to the Orlando newspaper and, therefore, was unable to read any of the details. I am a little disappointed that there has been no mention in the DAILY SUN nor in Talk of The Villages.

Can someone fill us in on who the Villagers are and the circumstances involved in the fraudulent voting.

[dewilson58]

Google is your friend.

[Stu from NYC]

I just read the headlines from the Orlando newspaper that two Villagers had admitted voter fraud in the 2020 elections but will not serve any jail time. I am not a subscriber to the Orlando newspaper and, therefore, was unable to read any of the details. I am a little disappointed that there has been no mention in the DAILY SUN nor in Talk of The Villages.

Can someone fill us in on who the Villagers are and the circumstances involved in the fraudulent voting.

Would you really expect anything negative about this place to be in the Sun?

[Mrprez]

This is not large scale voter fraud. They voted here and back home.

[Keefelane66]

I just read the headlines from the Orlando newspaper that two Villagers had admitted voter fraud in the 2020 elections but will not serve any jail time. I am not a subscriber to the Orlando newspaper and, therefore, was unable to read any of the details. I am a little disappointed that there has been no mention in the DAILY SUN nor in Talk of The Villages.

Can someone fill us in on who the Villagers are and the circumstances involved in the fraudulent voting.
There are 2 that admitted voter fraud and another 2 pending cases. Do you really think the Sun would carry this info maybe if they were of a different shade

[Bill14564]

This is not large scale voter fraud. They voted here and back home.

It is 100% voter fraud. But no, with only four people it is not large scale.

[Mrprez]

It is 100% voter fraud. But no, with only four people it is not large scale.

Did I say it wasn’t voter fraud? It’s not even small scale. Microscopic.

[blueash]

the other online news website which we are forbidden from linking has covered the story. 2 GOP voters and 2 no party. Unlike the black voters who were sent to jail for long periods, these are older white people, so no felony conviction, just go to civics school and some short community service.

[Keefelane66]

the other online news website which we are forbidden from linking has covered the story. 2 GOP voters and 2 no party. Unlike the black voters who were sent to jail for long periods, these are older white people, so no felony conviction, just go to civics school and some short community service.
And we get The Gazette sometime news clips are days old.

[Lottoguy]

Mark Meadows would fit right in here.

[Bogie Shooter]

This is not large scale voter fraud. They voted here and back home.

There was no such thing as “large scale voter fraud”.

[Mrprez]

There was no such thing as “large scale voter fraud”.

I didn’t say there was. The op was asking about some details. I was just letting them know that this wasn’t some huge deal. Just a few people who were caught, and deserve everything that is coming to them.

[tophcfa]

There are 2 that admitted voter fraud and another 2 pending cases. Do you really think the Sun would carry this info maybe if they were of a different shade

Why in the world would the Sun want to even bring up the issue of voter fraud? Talk about the pot calling the tea kettle black! The papers owner goes to great lengths to manipulate the local elections in Sumter county and pulls strings in high places to reverse election outcomes viewed as unfavorable.

[jaj523]

It IS wholly widespread. Many people who have two residences manage to vote in both places, especially when their two residences are in different places, even though this is against the law. People vote by mail in one place and in person in another. This has been going on for years. Some of the proposed new laws attempt to close this loophole, but there has been much opposition. A lot of people want to make voting by mail easier, not more difficult.

[MartinSE]

The interesting part I found, if these two MEN intentionally voted twice, and admitted to it. And got 50 hours of community service and attend a course on community service.

A woman in Texas was out of jail on parole and attempted to vote (because she was told she could when we got out of jail). She attempted to vote in the election and was told she was not allowed to vote until after she completed her parole. So, she left. The was then convicted of ATTEMPTING TO VOTE. and sentenced to 5 years for voter fraud.

Two old White guys committee the act, 50 hours service. One black woman tried and got 5 years.

[Mrprez]

A woman in Texas tries to vote without having the right to vote. 2 men in Fl abuse their right to vote by voting in 2 different states. Not the same thing.

[GpaVader]

I am not defending the SUN but I thought I read a short article about this in the Sun yesterday where these guys just have to go to Civics class...

[MartinSE]

A woman in Texas tries to vote without having the right to vote. 2 men in Fl abuse their right to vote by voting in 2 different states. Not the same thing.

You are right, two men committed a crime (committing a crime is certainly abusing a right), the woman attempted to commit a crime and when told she couldn't she peacefully left. That is a BIG difference, she did NOT commit a crime. Isn't voting in multiple states supposed to be part of the "big steal"?

So if a couple million people voted twice (for Trump btw) that is okay, because it is just "abusing a right". I mean, it if is okay for two, why not more?

[davem4616]

people cheat on their taxes, on their spouses, on their business partners...and now obviously in the voting booth.

the older I get the more I prefer to look through the windshield down the road, versus in the rear view mirror

[jebartle]

Imagine that??? Hmmmmm!

[coralway]

time to get those Cyber Ninjas on the case - they'll get to the bottom of this voter fraud stuff.

[npwalters]

There was no such thing as “large scale voter fraud”.

One only has to look back a few decades in NY and Chicago to know there most definitly is such thing as “large scale voter fraud”

It has not been proven in recent years although there has been plenty of reason to investigate.

[Bogie Shooter]

It has not been proven in recent years although there has been plenty of reason to investigate.

Nor really.

[KAM+6]

No. It isn’t right. Did you not read the part where I said those two deserve everything they have coming to them or do you simply read what fits your narrative? A crime is a crime.

This country is now aiding and abetting the illegal vote by allowing mail in ballots (not absentee) without proper signatures verification. Why do I have to identify myself prior to casting my vote in person? I should just sit at home with a stack of blank ballots and a phone book and vote all day long. This country is circling the drain and the current administration has their hand on the flush handle.

Sitting at home with a stack of blank ballots and a phone book". Sorry but that's not the way it works. One has to apply for a mail in ballot ,Same as absentee, signature is checked and address is verified . The application also has a scan, just like getting on an airplane. If everything is confirmed , one ballot is sent out , also having a scan. About a week later, person can call a designated number to verify that their ballot has been received.

[MartinSE]

No. It isn’t right. Did you not read the part where I said those two deserve everything they have coming to them or do you simply read what fits your narrative? A crime is a crime.

This country is now aiding and abetting the illegal vote by allowing mail in ballots (not absentee) without proper signatures verification. Why do I have to identify myself prior to casting my vote in person? I should just sit at home with a stack of blank ballots and a phone book and vote all day long. This country is circling the drain and the current administration has their hand on the flush handle.

Please show me where you said "those two deserve anything", here is YOUR post that I replied to, no misunderstanding, not agenda, nothing - you said it:

"A woman in Texas tries to vote without having the right to vote. 2 men in Fl abuse their right to vote by voting in 2 different states. Not the same thing."

[MartinSE]

Well, nothing political about this thread - hmmm...

[davem4616]

Well, nothing political about this thread - hmmm...

yeah...we're all walking the line LOL

[Topspinmo]

I just read the headlines from the Orlando newspaper that two Villagers had admitted voter fraud in the 2020 elections but will not serve any jail time. I am not a subscriber to the Orlando newspaper and, therefore, was unable to read any of the details. I am a little disappointed that there has been no mention in the DAILY SUN nor in Talk of The Villages.

Can someone fill us in on who the Villagers are and the circumstances involved in the fraudulent voting.


and why should we care? O wait depends on which affiliation……….for the radicals.

[tsmall22204]

After the 2020 election the GOP screamed voter fraud and tried to over turn the election. The ONLY voter fraud discovered is GOP voters breaking the law.
Voter fraud should carry a mandatory sentence. White GOP voters get away by saying " its only a few votes" well they add up. This is disgusting and double standard.

[mrrmauu]

I just read the headlines from the Orlando newspaper that two Villagers had admitted voter fraud in the 2020 elections but will not serve any jail time. I am not a subscriber to the Orlando newspaper and, therefore, was unable to read any of the details. I am a little disappointed that there has been no mention in the DAILY SUN nor in Talk of The Villages.

Can someone fill us in on who the Villagers are and the circumstances involved in the fraudulent voting.

The same people who have their panties in a wad about this are the same ones who enjoy $5-$6 gas because we are “sticking it to Putin”. :1rotfl:

[angloam]

Yet, what about Cynthia Mason, a Black lady, who thought she had the right to vote. Texas sent Her to Five Years in Prison for Trying? Also, another Black woman, Pamela Moses, sentenced to six years in prison over voting error? Then there’s another Black lady, Havis Rogers facing the same fate. Yet, in North Carolina Mark Meadows, former White House Chief of Staff just got struck off voter rolls as that state investigates allegations that he committed voter fraud in the 2020 election.

[dewilson58]

Yet, what about Cynthia Mason, a Black lady, who thought she had the right to vote. Texas sent Her to Five Years in Prison for Trying?

Your role model was a convicted felon at the time (& still is).

:ohdear::ohdear:

[coconutmama]

No. It isn’t right. Did you not read the part where I said those two deserve everything they have coming to them or do you simply read what fits your narrative? A crime is a crime.

This country is now aiding and abetting the illegal vote by allowing mail in ballots (not absentee) without proper signatures verification. Why do I have to identify myself prior to casting my vote in person? I should just sit at home with a stack of blank ballots and a phone book and vote all day long. This country is circling the drain and the current administration has their hand on the flush handle.

Signatures ARE checked on vote by mail ballots.

[JMintzer]

Sitting at home with a stack of blank ballots and a phone book". Sorry but that's not the way it works. One has to apply for a mail in ballot ,Same as absentee, signature is checked and address is verified . The application also has a scan, just like getting on an airplane. If everything is confirmed , one ballot is sent out , also having a scan. About a week later, person can call a designated number to verify that their ballot has been received.

More than a few states sent out mail in ballots "en masse", due to the pandemic...

They were left at apartment buildings, shrink wrapped, on top of the mail box...

One such case...

DC Residents Concerned After Mail-In Ballots Left Unsecured by Carrier – NBC4 Washington (https://www.nbcwashington.com/news/politics/decision-2020/dc-residents-concerned-after-mail-in-ballots-left-unsecured-by-carrier/2432757/)

[banjobob]

The Voter”fraud” is in fact the states that allowed violation of their election laws and the unconstitutional states Supreme courts allowing it to happen under the deception of the pandemic. Vote harvesting unmanned voter ballot deposit boxes , blanket mailing of ballots to everyone listed on outdated states voter registration. We will never have an honest election as long as states allow early voting,undocumented absentee voting , extended voting times. The accurate true voting will be every voter with picture casting votes on Election Day only. States must purge and update voter rolls.

[JMintzer]

Well, nothing political about this thread - hmmm...

Then stop making it political!

[JMintzer]

Yet, what about Cynthia Mason, a Black lady, who thought she had the right to vote. Texas sent Her to Five Years in Prison for Trying? Also, another Black woman, Pamela Moses, sentenced to six years in prison over voting error? Then there’s another Black lady, Havis Rogers facing the same fate. Yet, in North Carolina Mark Meadows, former White House Chief of Staff just got struck off voter rolls as that state investigates allegations that he committed voter fraud in the 2020 election.

whataboutism - Google Search (https://www.google.com/search?q=whataboutism&rlz=1C5CHFA_enUS873US874&oq=whataboutism&aqs=chrome..69i57j0i433i512j0i512l8.4135j0j7&sourceid=chrome&ie=UTF-8)

[JMintzer]

Signatures ARE checked on vote by mail ballots.

Nope!

Pennsylvania ballots can'''t be tossed out over voters''' signatures, court says (https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/2020-election/ballots-can-t-be-tossed-out-over-voter-signature-court-n1244585)

Georgia only does a sampling...

A Warning on Georgia’s Signature Match - WSJ (https://www.wsj.com/articles/a-warning-on-georgias-signature-match-11609460042)

[thevillages2013]

You are right, two men committed a crime (committing a crime is certainly abusing a right), the woman attempted to commit a crime and when told she couldn't she peacefully left. That is a BIG difference, she did NOT commit a crime. Isn't voting in multiple states supposed to be part of the "big steal"?

So if a couple million people voted twice (for Trump btw) that is okay, because it is just "abusing a right". I mean, it if is okay for two, why not more?

This post is definitely NOT political or BS. Not

[Life as I know it]

Mark Meadows and his wife also voted twice. Now he should know better….

[joelfmi]

welcome to free press and censorship cancellation algorism program If you say any comment that is contrary to the left position, they will cancel you comment or not print it.. They call that transparency free speech. I hope this comment is not cancelled. Most of social media's platform is bias about any reports that is negative narratives having to do with the left even if it is true. You go back 3 years you will find a great deal of treads that were censored or not reported because they were negative about the left position on government, disease, financial , war, social, and many political policies. Florida has one of the best and true reporting press and political leaders in USA.

[FredTheHead]

Recheck your past issues of the Sun. The article on voter fraud was in there. They even added the part where only 2 of the charged 4 voter fraud people admitted they did vote twice. Each paid $250 as a fine. One was a registered republican and one had no party affiliation. Not a productive use of police and justice money going after voter fraud if it is spread out fairly evenly over the political views.

[golfing eagles]

After the 2020 election the GOP screamed voter fraud and tried to over turn the election. The ONLY voter fraud discovered is GOP voters breaking the law.
Voter fraud should carry a mandatory sentence. White GOP voters get away by saying " its only a few votes" well they add up. This is disgusting and double standard.

Interesting viewpoint since about 99% of multiple votes and 100% of the dead vote go the other way:1rotfl::1rotfl::1rotfl:

[G.R.I.T.S.]

I just read the headlines from the Orlando newspaper that two Villagers had admitted voter fraud in the 2020 elections but will not serve any jail time. I am not a subscriber to the Orlando newspaper and, therefore, was unable to read any of the details. I am a little disappointed that there has been no mention in the DAILY SUN nor in Talk of The Villages.

Can someone fill us in on who the Villagers are and the circumstances involved in the fraudulent voting.

Sorry to disappoint but the story appeared at least twice in the Sun. First when they were arrested and once when the plea deal was made. One a republican and one NPA.

[noslices1]

Well, at least it wasn’t like some counties around Philadelphia where there were more votes than there were registered voters.

[paquino]

It IS wholly widespread. Many people who have two residences manage to vote in both places, especially when their two residences are in different places, even though this is against the law. People vote by mail in one place and in person in another. This has been going on for years. Some of the proposed new laws attempt to close this loophole, but there has been much opposition. A lot of people want to make voting by mail easier, not more difficult.
How do you know that it is “widespread)?

[paquino]

No. It isn’t right. Did you not read the part where I said those two deserve everything they have coming to them or do you simply read what fits your narrative? A crime is a crime.

This country is now aiding and abetting the illegal vote by allowing mail in ballots (not absentee) without proper signatures verification. Why do I have to identify myself prior to casting my vote in person? I should just sit at home with a stack of blank ballots and a phone book and vote all day long. This country is circling the drain and the current administration has their hand on the flush handle.
You need to go volunteer to work an election to see how things really work. In most cases it is pretty darn good.

[Notsocrates]

I just read the headlines from the Orlando newspaper that two Villagers had admitted voter fraud in the 2020 elections but will not serve any jail time. I am not a subscriber to the Orlando newspaper and, therefore, was unable to read any of the details. I am a little disappointed that there has been no mention in the DAILY SUN nor in Talk of The Villages.

Can someone fill us in on who the Villagers are and the circumstances involved in the fraudulent voting.

If I remember correctly they voted here and also in the state they moved from. It could have been an oversiight. Let those who retain the memory of their youth cast the first stone.

[4557Spahr]

Two Florida Men From The Villages Confess to Voting Multiple Times in 2020 Election (https://apple.news/A1gYkG2eVScaQEy5xqcWglQ)

[chuckpedrey]

Before you embarrass yourself anymore by say “there wasn’t any widespread voter fraud in the 2020 election” I suggest you sit through the coming documentary film titled “20,000 Mules”. Coming soon to a theater near you.

[ithos]

If every county in the USA had the integrity and did the same due diligence of Sumter County then there would be no controversy.

These people were caught because of election rules in place that allowed a thorough and accurate audit to be done after the fact.

Every fraudulent vote deprives a citizen of their vote. That is why corrupt politicians have changed or ignored laws to make voter fraud much easier. Without strong election verification there is no fair election. In Europe most countries are same day in person voting and ALL have a paper trail. Every vote should have a paper trail even when machines are used.

Voting in France: Paper ballots, in person, hand-counted
https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/voting-in-france-paper-ballots-in-person-hand-counted/2022/04/10/7307ad42-b89e-11ec-8358-20aa16355fb4_story.html

Records: Too many votes in 37% of Detroit’s precincts
The Detroit News (https://www.detroitnews.com/story/news/politics/2016/12/12/records-many-votes-detroits-precincts/95363314/)

[spd2918]

It's sad to see the cherry picked examples presented as "2 old white guys do this" and get nothing, while "one black woman does this" and gets prison. Total ignorance of all things legal is displayed with such statements. Different states, different situations, different alilbies, different defense attorneys, different prosecutors, etc.... There have been thousands of examples of voter fraud, yet these are held up to show evidence of discrimination? Shameful.

This is what happens when people accept biased reporting because it confirms their own biases.

[diva1]

It is 100% voter fraud. But no, with only four people it is not large scale.

Yes, just like in the whole country, voter fraud was not large scale.

[Jokomo]

A woman in Texas tries to vote without having the right to vote. 2 men in Fl abuse their right to vote by voting in 2 different states. Not the same thing.

It is clearly not the same thing. The woman in Texas was told by state authorities she could vote. When she was charged her probation agent testified that in fact they informed the woman she was eligible to vote.

The men in The Villages knew they were breaking the law. Their “sentences” are a joke. A wink and a nod at justice that disgraces them, the prosecutors and the judge.

[OhioBuckeye]

Well that depends on, do you trust the papers to print the truth or are they just protecting a certain party! Anymore we just have to scratch our heads & wonder, so do I believe it or not!

[Proveone]

Voter fraud are the Elephant party members and the Florida is run/controlled by the elephant party, therefore no jail time. In Texas, they only put blacks in jail for same offense - 5 years! Oh, Fascism does exist in the US.

[MDLNB]

After the 2020 election the GOP screamed voter fraud and tried to over turn the election. The ONLY voter fraud discovered is GOP voters breaking the law.
Voter fraud should carry a mandatory sentence. White GOP voters get away by saying " its only a few votes" well they add up. This is disgusting and double standard.


Someone should read a bit more. There has been several states that have proven voter fraud, miss counting, blank ballots filled in, ballots counted over and over again, but at least twice, etc. Whether or not it would change the outcome, no one bothered to really confirm because it would embarrass the powers that be. But, there really is a lot of corrupt vote counting.

[golfing eagles]

Yes, just like in the whole country, voter fraud was not large scale.

Actually, human nature being what it is, when your candidate wins, there is no voter fraud, when he/she loses, there is widespread fraud:1rotfl::1rotfl::1rotfl:

[Waltdisney4life]

That two now we need to find the other 29,999,998 fraud votes!

[Speedie]

[QUOTE=blueash;2083527]the other online news website which we are forbidden from linking has covered the story. 2 GOP voters and 2 no party. Unlike the black voters who were sent to jail for long periods, these are older white people, so no felony conviction, just go to civics school and


Ooh wow. Observent

[KAM+6]

Well, at least it wasn’t like some counties around Philadelphia where there were more votes than there were registered voters.

Please provide a link to your debunked statement.

[Brindi5]

[QUOTE=MartinSE;2083563]The interesting part I found, if these two MEN intentionally voted twice, and admitted to it. And got 50 hours of community service and attend a course on community service.

A woman in Texas was out of jail on parole and attempted to vote (because she was told she could when we got out of jail). She attempted to vote in the election and was told she was not allowed to vote until after she completed her parole. So, she left. The was then convicted of ATTEMPTING TO VOTE. and sentenced to 5 years for voter fraud.

Two old White guys committee the act, 50 hours service. One black woman tried and got 5 years.[/QUOTE

Yeah, that’s a huge difference in sentences. IMO, the old white guys should have had a much bigger penalty.

[sallyg]

This is not large scale voter fraud. They voted here and back home.
Yea, it hardly even counts. Just sort of a felony. Like being a little pregnant.

[Lars2217]

Don't you know this is republican state you can do what ever you want if your a republican

[JOLIVERIO]

It IS wholly widespread. Many people who have two residences manage to vote in both places, especially when their two residences are in different places, even though this is against the law. People vote by mail in one place and in person in another. This has been going on for years. Some of the proposed new laws attempt to close this loophole, but there has been much opposition. A lot of people want to make voting by mail easier, not more difficult.

Because you say it is so doesn’t make it so. Provide documentation to support your claim. Voter fraud, you either believe it is widespread or not, depending on your political party association. And what voter fraud there is, it is done by both parties.

[MartinSE]

Your role model was a convicted felon at the time (& still is).

:ohdear::ohdear:

Not a role model, an example of the racist and biased punishment handed out. Old White Men, community service, black woman, prison. I think that is a pretty stark example of problems we have with our voting system and laws.

[MartinSE]

Well, at least it wasn’t like some counties around Philadelphia where there were more votes than there were registered voters.

The ONLY person I have heard that still makes this claim (after art has been thrown out of court numbers times as baseless/meritless) is a certain ex-president who is facing numerous pending indictments for impersonating Putin.

[billethkid]

Isolated incidents being discussed as if general condition.....again.

Just to keep it simple 2 out of 100,000 = .00002 (.002 %).

Waste of keystrokes....including these!

:icon_bored:

[jmpalladino]

It IS wholly widespread. Many people who have two residences manage to vote in both places, especially when their two residences are in different places, even though this is against the law. People vote by mail in one place and in person in another. This has been going on for years. Some of the proposed new laws attempt to close this loophole, but there has been much opposition. A lot of people want to make voting by mail easier, not more difficult.
Many states notify other states (not all) when a person register's to Vote. The former state may notify the individual that they were notified that the individual has registered to vote in State A and will be stricken from the voting rolls of that former State. In some cases, the State notified, will only address the issue if they see that the person who had regigetered in the other State Voted in the former Stae after the new registration. If all states would participate in this, no need for further new "Election Law Changes" If all States particpated in this program. This is how these individuals were caught voting twice.

[MartinSE]

Yea, it hardly even counts. Just sort of a felony. Like being a little pregnant.

Apparently actually voting illegally counts less than just trying to vote illegally. It is a really good thing they actually voted and broke the law, so they didn't get a 5 year jail sentence, like the lady that DID NOT VOTE.

Funny thing is about 90% of the voter fraud I am read about so far are conservatives that voted for Trump - 1 1/2 years later and we are still waiting for all that piles of evidence we were promised of MASSIVE voter fraud that would prove to the world what the Democrats did. Still waiting...

[MartinSE]

Isolated incidents being discussed as if general condition.....again.

Just to keep it simple 2 out of 100,000 = .00002 (.002 %).

Waste of keystrokes....including these!

:icon_bored:

It is 100% of the cases involving old white men vs black women punishment. 4 cases, 4 sentences.

So, you are bored that a BLACK WOMEN got sentenced to 5 years in prison for trying to vote, while a WHITE MAN who actually voted illegally got community service and a course in civics.

No prejudice in this country, it is just something the left makes up.

[debem1@aol.com]

What happened to TRUTH, JUSTICE and THE AMERICAN WAY!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[debem1@aol.com]

don't you know this is republican state you can do what ever you want if your a republican

not nice!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[newgirl]

You won't hear, they are Republicans.

[Two Bills]

What happened to TRUTH, JUSTICE and THE AMERICAN WAY!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Never was for the first two points, but THE AMERICAN WAY was correct!

[ithos]

There were several thousands of affidavits filed under penalty of perjury that described voter fraud of some sort in the several swing states that shut down the count almost simultaneously on election night.

So there definitely was a conspiracy.

Either one side colluded to get thousands of citizens to lie and risk jail time

or the other side perpetuated voter fraud on a massive scale.

Either way people should have gone to jail.
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[Andyb]

How unfortunate, but apparently minor compared to the wide spread fraud across the country. I mean, what could go wrong with drop boxes?

[FLBeans]

Is this Talk of the Villages censored? Can this site monitor and remove our freedom of speech if someone else gets their panties in a bunch? Hmmm…curious what others have to say.

[A-2-56]

Too bad that I cannot comment here. I was told that I cannot make political comments here.
It seems to me that the very nature of the initial statements were political.
Voting in and of itself is politics to the Nth degree.
My lips are sealed and my key ticklers are frozen.

[Heytubes]

People who are negative commenting on The Sun must not take it as there was an article about this.

[OrangeBlossomBaby]

If every county in the USA had the integrity and did the same due diligence of Sumter County then there would be no controversy.

These people were caught because of election rules in place that allowed a thorough and accurate audit to be done after the fact.

Every fraudulent vote deprives a citizen of their vote. That is why corrupt politicians have changed or ignored laws to make voter fraud much easier. Without strong election verification there is no fair election. In Europe most countries are same day in person voting and ALL have a paper trail. Every vote should have a paper trail even when machines are used.

Voting in France: Paper ballots, in person, hand-counted
https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/voting-in-france-paper-ballots-in-person-hand-counted/2022/04/10/7307ad42-b89e-11ec-8358-20aa16355fb4_story.html

Records: Too many votes in 37% of Detroit’s precincts
The Detroit News (https://www.detroitnews.com/story/news/politics/2016/12/12/records-many-votes-detroits-precincts/95363314/)

...and then they fixed the software errors, and it turned out the "too many votes" was 100% categorically entirely not true, at all, in any way shape or form. Turned out a few different things happened:

1. There were software errors, which were fixed.
2. Someone plugged in the wrong number into the wrong field in the database and came up with fewer people in the county than there actually were.

End result: the above was "social media" conspiracy rhetoric based on ERRORs, that were intentionally spread to create anger against the lawful winners of the elections in the state.

[MartinSE]

There were several thousands of affidavits filed under penalty of perjury that described voter fraud of some sort in the several swing states that shut down the count almost simultaneously on election night.

So there definitely was a conspiracy.

Either one side colluded to get thousands of citizens to lie and risk jail time

or the other side perpetuated voter fraud on a massive scale.

Either way people should have gone to jail.
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Those several thousand affidavits were thrown out of court every time it was submitted. Rudy even stated when he went to court that they were NOT claiming any fraud.

Sigh, this has been debated for over a year now, and it comes down to, every judge in the country is in on the conspiracy, every elected official in the country is in on the conspiracy, well you get the idea. The ONLY possible way it happened is if the stupidest party on the face of the heart (DEMs) manage to pull off 20 million (Trump's words) illegal or fraudulent votes, and did not leave a trace of evidence that was admissible in court.

I am sorry you still believe it. Even Trump's own people that he tasked with finding the fraud said, "there was no fraud", his own DHS said, "there was no fraud", and his own Attorney General said, "there was no fraud". And on and on.

Occam's razor The entire country lied and Trump is telling the truth, or Trump is a narcissist and can't admit he lost. Hmmm.

However, numerous indictments are about to come down against people pushing the lie. Hang onto your hats, this is going to get turbulent.

[MartinSE]

Is this Talk of the Villages censored? Can this site monitor and remove our freedom of speech if someone else gets their panties in a bunch? Hmmm…curious what others have to say.

Seriously, how many thousands of times do it have to be said, you have NO freedom of speech when it comes to private companies.

The Freedom of Speech in the Constitution specifically says it applies to the GOVERNMENT.

If you want to use a company's service, you agree to its rules, PERIOD. Don't like it then take your business elsewhere - that is called capitalism.

[MartinSE]

There were several thousands of affidavits filed under penalty of perjury that described voter fraud of some sort in the several swing states that shut down the count almost simultaneously on election night.

So there definitely was a conspiracy.

Either one side colluded to get thousands of citizens to lie and risk jail time

or the other side perpetuated voter fraud on a massive scale.

Either way people should have gone to jail.
.

And people are going to jail, DOJ is sending people to trial every day, 700 of them are indicted, and more are being indicted and investigated every day. It is truly sad that it has taken 1 1/2 years, but it is finally happening. Things are coming out like Don'Jr's text showing he was working on lying about fraud before the election was even called.

The people claiming the government (DEMS) were responsible for a massive (20 million votes) are the same people that come on here and talk about how the government (DEMs) can't do anything right - hmmm...

[rogerk]

It was covered in The Daily Sun this week with the details

[FLBeans]

What happened to TRUTH, JUSTICE and THE AMERICAN WAY!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Only if you’re NOT offending a certain group with your freedom of speech? Religion, race, political views, sexual orientation, criminal background, billionaire, tax views, laws, ILLEGAL in the US, etc. Let’s hope we don’t have to call on Elon Musk to protect our Freedom. Lol Twitter has been a raw topic right now for just this thing. Only a select group are allowed freedom. We the people are F fed up!!!
I totally get NO hate crimes.
However, others can hit, yell, steal, violate, just don’t TELL them that they are doing it and get panties in a bunch. Lol Let’s see if this post gets taken down or if I have to call Elon. Just sayin. Lol

[rsmurano]

I can’t believe most people dismiss this. Sure, only a couple votes. Say 60,000 people did this? Say a few million did this across the country? That’s like saying he only shot 1 person.
If it’s a law and it’s broken, especially our elections, then fine them, jail time, whatever is appropriate that’s on the books. This generation has gone soft and look at us: everybody gets a trophy, no tests in school, kids can turn in their parents if they lay a hand on them.

[valuemkt]

You don;t need to have two residences. in my 20 years in Atlanta, the "Vote early, Vote often" mantra was more than a chuckle. Early voters in some districts were treated to free food and drinks as they waited in line to cast their "only" ballots.

[LianneMigiano]

This is not large scale voter fraud. They voted here and back home.As did how many other similar cheaters throughout the country - that just DIDN'T get caught yet!

[MDLNB]

It is 100% of the cases involving old white men vs black women punishment. 4 cases, 4 sentences.

So, you are bored that a BLACK WOMEN got sentenced to 5 years in prison for trying to vote, while a WHITE MAN who actually voted illegally got community service and a course in civics.

No prejudice in this country, it is just something the left makes up.


You may be seeing "prejudice" where there is none. Two different states, and two different judges. What would you say if a "white man" got more time than a "black woman"....oh well, he deserved it and she didn't? Why make it a racial issue, when you do not know the details OR the motive/intent? Every state has had at least one detected voter that made multiple votes or voter fraud of some sort during an election. How it is handled is probably different in each of those states.

[ithos]

Those several thousand affidavits were thrown out of court every time it was submitted. Rudy even stated when he went to court that they were NOT claiming any fraud.

Sigh, this has been debated for over a year now, and it comes down to, every judge in the country is in on the conspiracy, every elected official in the country is in on the conspiracy, well you get the idea. The ONLY possible way it happened is if the stupidest party on the face of the heart (DEMs) manage to pull off 20 million (Trump's words) illegal or fraudulent votes, and did not leave a trace of evidence that was admissible in court.

I am sorry you still believe it. Even Trump's own people that he tasked with finding the fraud said, "there was no fraud", his own DHS said, "there was no fraud", and his own Attorney General said, "there was no fraud". And on and on.

Occam's razor The entire country lied and Trump is telling the truth, or Trump is a narcissist and can't admit he lost. Hmmm.

However, numerous indictments are about to come down against people pushing the lie. Hang onto your hats, this is going to get turbulent.

These affidavits were thrown out for legal and technical reasons not because of any field investigations. A thorough vetting would have taken many months to complete at least.

Also many establishment GOP hated Trump as much as the Democrats and were thrilled that he lost. That included the famous bagpipe musician Bill Barr.

If people lied then lock them up. And I hope you are right because I would love to see this litigated in court. Remember how the Rittenhouse case blew up all the media lies?

[FLBeans]

Yet, what about Cynthia Mason, a Black lady, who thought she had the right to vote. Texas sent Her to Five Years in Prison for Trying? Also, another Black woman, Pamela Moses, sentenced to six years in prison over voting error? Then there’s another Black lady, Havis Rogers facing the same fate. Yet, in North Carolina Mark Meadows, former White House Chief of Staff just got struck off voter rolls as that state investigates allegations that he committed voter fraud in the 2020 election.

Wait? What? Black? What about all the terrorism/vandalism/smash and grabs? Cities in the US - people STILL terrorized by it. Why can THIS not be spoken of? Watch how fast this post is removed. We certainly keep hearing about cops shooting blacks. How about the T-Shirts with cops names on them - killed by BLACK??? Can they be sold in Target? OMG NEVER. Are we allowed to ask to remove YOUR posts?? Let’s see how long this post is up. Freedom of speech gone too?

[FLBeans]

welcome to free press and censorship cancellation algorism program If you say any comment that is contrary to the left position, they will cancel you comment or not print it.. They call that transparency free speech. I hope this comment is not cancelled. Most of social media's platform is bias about any reports that is negative narratives having to do with the left even if it is true. You go back 3 years you will find a great deal of treads that were censored or not reported because they were negative about the left position on government, disease, financial , war, social, and many political policies. Florida has one of the best and true reporting press and political leaders in USA.

Exactly! Wait till you see how FAST they take this down. Elons trying to do something. Only CERTAIN people are allowed voices anymore.

[ex34449]

Two old White guys committee the act, 50 hours service. One black woman tried and got 5 years.

I agree the guys should now be in jail (I really wish they were) but you're comparing 2 old guys with no record to a person on parole. The VOP is what put her back in. Apples to oranges here. No race/sex involved

[nancyre]

Would you really expect anything negative about this place to be in the Sun?
Florida Officials Hunt for Snowbirds Who Voted Twice (https://politicalwire.com/2021/12/18/florida-officials-hunt-for-snowbirds-who-voted-twice/?msclkid=f0b99607bcdf11ecb8d9f9ac4fb8d437)
Snowbirds may vote twice, difficult to detect (https://www.fox4now.com/news/4-in-your-corner/supervisor-of-elections-snowbirds-may-vote-twice-difficult-to-detect?msclkid=f0b9c81ebcdf11ec839ef6f2c60ae1d4)

The issue / confusion seems to be - if I own 2 homes can I vote in the local elections in each place. A Single vote for President (pick one location). This has long been a confusion. 2 articles links above : 2021 & 2016

Please folks can we not make this a party or racist discussion or a bash a publication for covering it or not. I had the state of FL, notify NYS when I moved my voter registration and became a FL resident. That is what should happen unfortunately often it does not work and the old state keeps you on the rolls.

[Nannyof3]

This is not large scale voter fraud. They voted here and back home.
voter fraud none-the-less

[FLBeans]

I apologize to the others having to read my rant. I attribute it to PTSD as I did have to work in the city up north during this horrific time AND late at night whilst all the terror going on. There is NO help for the victims. No remorse - only hearing how bad the world is for others. No pictures, no arrests, no showing on TV what was done. Cover it up! The hate crimes committed - not allowed to speak of it like it NEVER happened. When mention is made? Deleted!!! Can’t even watch people receiving Oscars without the violence and WHAM it comes rushing back. No justice? NO arrest? He got an award??? WTH has happened to this world where violence is allowed and awards are given? I witnessed horrific thing - yes, it was war.
But don’t freekin silence ME for telling of it. Because you won’t see it on the news or in history books.

[MartinSE]

You may be seeing "prejudice" where there is none. Two different states, and two different judges. What would you say if a "white man" got more time than a "black woman"....oh well, he deserved it and she didn't? Why make it a racial issue, when you do not know the details OR the motive/intent? Every state has had at least one detected voter that made multiple votes or voter fraud of some sort during an election. How it is handled is probably different in each of those states.

As to the "details", the details of both cases are public and have been covered extensively. The voters here confessed. The black lady I am referring to just got out of jail, and was on probation. She asked and was told she was allowed to vote on probation, so she went to the polls. The polls said she wasn't allowed to vote, so she left, then was arrested, and given 5 years form "trying to vote". Seriously. If YOU were given a sentence of 5 years for TRYING to vote, would you be ****ed?

When something constantly happens, it is racial. I agree different states and different judges. On the other hand, how many white people have gone to jail anywhere in the country for voter fraud? The only one I even know about being investigated is Mark Meadows. We will see how that turns out.

[MartinSE]

Florida Officials Hunt for Snowbirds Who Voted Twice (https://politicalwire.com/2021/12/18/florida-officials-hunt-for-snowbirds-who-voted-twice/?msclkid=f0b99607bcdf11ecb8d9f9ac4fb8d437)
Snowbirds may vote twice, difficult to detect (https://www.fox4now.com/news/4-in-your-corner/supervisor-of-elections-snowbirds-may-vote-twice-difficult-to-detect?msclkid=f0b9c81ebcdf11ec839ef6f2c60ae1d4)

The issue / confusion seems to be - if I own 2 homes can I vote in the local elections in each place. A Single vote for President (pick one location). This has long been a confusion. 2 articles links above : 2021 & 2016

Please folks can we not make this a party or racist discussion or a bash a publication for covering it or not. I had the state of FL, notify NYS when I moved my voter registration and became a FL resident. That is what should happen unfortunately often it does not work and the old state keeps you on the rolls.

No one is "making it" racial or political - it IS.

The Big Lie is being told over and over with NO proof. Lying that undermines confidence in our election system. Lies that lead to election officials and their families being threatened to being killed. And nothing is done.

So, we point out cases where there is no dispute and we are told to not mention it? Seriously?

[MartinSE]

I agree the guys should now be in jail (I really wish they were) but you're comparing 2 old guys with no record to a person on parole. The VOP is what put her back in. Apples to oranges here. No race/sex involved

Sorry, I completely disagree. She was TOLD by the prison she could vote. She did NOTHING wrong. The VOP took aggressive action for political reasons (voter fraud) where if she were an old white guy nothing would have been done.

I have gone to the wrong polling place and been told I wasn't allowed to vote there, and I did not end up in court. But, then I am an old white guy.

So, I respectfully disagree with you, there are countless cases of blacks in states like Texas and Florida are disproportionately punished for things white regularly get away with.

[MartinSE]

Wait? What? Black? What about all the terrorism/vandalism/smash and grabs? Cities in the US - people STILL terrorized by it. Why can THIS not be spoken of? Watch how fast this post is removed. We certainly keep hearing about cops shooting blacks. How about the T-Shirts with cops names on them - killed by BLACK??? Can they be sold in Target? OMG NEVER. Are we allowed to ask to remove YOUR posts?? Let’s see how long this post is up. Freedom of speech gone too?

Again, posting on forums has NOTHING to do with Freedom of Speech. It is NOT covered by the constitution.

So, because of "other" black people that have done illegal things then it is OKAY for Texas to send a parolee to prison for 5 years for trying to vote. Conflating totally different things much. Have a drink, calm down, the world is not going to end tomorrow. (Maybe next Monday).

[JMintzer]

Mark Meadows and his wife also voted twice. Now he should know better….

I read it as they registered twice. Not that they voted twice...

[JMintzer]

Voter fraud are the Elephant party members and the Florida is run/controlled by the elephant party, therefore no jail time. In Texas, they only put blacks in jail for same offense - 5 years! Oh, Fascism does exist in the US.

Just can't help yourself with the political posts...

[JMintzer]

Not a role model, an example of the racist and biased punishment handed out. Old White Men, community service, black woman, prison. I think that is a pretty stark example of problems we have with our voting system and laws.

When all you look for is racism, racism is all you will find...

[JMintzer]

The ONLY person I have heard that still makes this claim (after art has been thrown out of court numbers times as baseless/meritless) is a certain ex-president who is facing numerous pending indictments for impersonating Putin.

More politics from the person who claims his posts are not political...

[JMintzer]

Apparently actually voting illegally counts less than just trying to vote illegally. It is a really good thing they actually voted and broke the law, so they didn't get a 5 year jail sentence, like the lady that DID NOT VOTE.

Funny thing is about 90% of the voter fraud I am read about so far are conservatives that voted for Trump - 1 1/2 years later and we are still waiting for all that piles of evidence we were promised of MASSIVE voter fraud that would prove to the world what the Democrats did. Still waiting...

Good thing you never post about politics...

[JMintzer]

It is 100% of the cases involving old white men vs black women punishment. 4 cases, 4 sentences.

So, you are bored that a BLACK WOMEN got sentenced to 5 years in prison for trying to vote, while a WHITE MAN who actually voted illegally got community service and a course in civics.

No prejudice in this country, it is just something the left makes up.

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[JMintzer]

What happened to TRUTH, JUSTICE and THE AMERICAN WAY!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Superman died, didn't you hear?

[JMintzer]

You won't hear, they are Republicans.

Good to see no one cares about the rules here...

[Bogie Shooter]

Wait? What? Black? What about all the terrorism/vandalism/smash and grabs? Cities in the US - people STILL terrorized by it. Why can THIS not be spoken of? Watch how fast this post is removed. We certainly keep hearing about cops shooting blacks. How about the T-Shirts with cops names on them - killed by BLACK??? Can they be sold in Target? OMG NEVER. Are we allowed to ask to remove YOUR posts?? Let’s see how long this post is up. Freedom of speech gone too?
So, what do you really think of people of color?

[Lindsyburnsy]

Apparently these people were caught. Voting by mail or by any other means, should be as easy as getting a gun.

[JMintzer]

So, what do you really think of people of color?

Instead of immediately going there, why not tell him where he's wrong?

[fdpaq0580]

https://media1.giphy.com/media/6751A64NJkyCQ/giphy.gif

I feel very sad for the child in this clip. He is being groomed to be another angry racist.
😥

[Bogie Shooter]

Instead of immediately going there, why not tell him where he's wrong?

That would be a full time job which I cannot accept…………….
Besides after a couple hundred words most readers would just move on.

[Villages Kahuna]

2 out of about 140,000 residents is “news”?

[Hacker1]

I just read the headlines from the Orlando newspaper that two Villagers had admitted voter fraud in the 2020 elections but will not serve any jail time. I am not a subscriber to the Orlando newspaper and, therefore, was unable to read any of the details. I am a little disappointed that there has been no mention in the DAILY SUN nor in Talk of The Villages.

Can someone fill us in on who the Villagers are and the circumstances involved in the fraudulent voting.
I believe I did see mention of this in the Daily Sun a couple of times in the past few months.

[MartinSE]

2 out of about 140,000 residents is “news”?

That would be 2 caught. Out of how many we don't know. Several people have stated it was not a big deal since so many own homes in two states they could just get confused.

Funny how when it is the big lie it is a big deal when 1 is caught, but reverse it and not a big deal.