Unacceptable Villages Parking Rule

[retiredguy123]

If you live in a courtyard villa, there is an area intended for visitors to park their vehicles while visiting a resident. This is usually about 5 parking spaces. The deed restriction document prohibits residents of that villa section from parking their own vehicles in those spaces. But, if you live in another part of The Villages, or not even in The Villages at all, you can park a vehicle or vehicles in the visitor area and you will not violate any deed restriction, law, or other parking rule. There is no time limit. So, if you need a place to store a vehicle for a month, 6 months or even longer, you can drive into any courtyard villa section and find an available space. But, don’t let anyone know your name or address because the deed compliance office “MAY” ask you to move it. But they won’t guarantee that they will. Also, the police will do nothing to help because it is not public property. In my opinion, this parking rule is totally unacceptable and needs to addressed by The Villages and changed.

This information was obtained from the deed compliance office in Sumter Landing.

[Topspinmo]

IMO CYVs street wasn’t built wide enough for street parking. In my CYV villa there no visitor parking. Most don’t obey rules anyway. And besides who going to monitor it or enforce it.

In my villa Have one resident that has two cars, cart, and work van with 1 1/2 car garage which full go junk, so cart get parked on lawn, one car in driveway and two in street. Several have 3 plus vehicles in my villa The hundred dollar question is——why would buy CYV or even patio villa (older models) with several vehicles and 1/1/2 car garage usually full of junk?

[retiredguy123]

IMO CYVs street wasn’t built wide enough for street parking. In my CYV villa there no visitor parking. Most don’t obey rules anyway. And besides who going to monitor it or enforce it.

In my villa Have one resident that has two cars, cart, and work van with 1 1/2 car garage which full go junk, so cart get parked on lawn, one car in driveway and two in street. Several have 3 plus vehicles in my villa The hundred dollar question is——why would buy CYV or even patio villa (older models) with several vehicles and 1/1/2 car garage usually full of junk?
Your deed restrictions may be different, but mine prohibit a resident owned vehicle from being parked on the street. If you file a complaint and provide the name and address of the violator, the deed compliance office will enforce it. Visitors are allowed to park on the street, but not residents.

[Golfer222]

was told by CDD long term street parking IS allowed in villas and CDD has no authority to prohibit

[retiredguy123]

was told by CDD long term street parking IS allowed in villas and CDD has no authority to prohibit
Courtyard villas are different from patio and other types of villas. The streets in the courtyard villa sections are not county or city streets. They are owned by The Villages. My deed restriction document prohibits residents of the villa section from parking on the street. The deed compliance office will enforce these restrictions as long as the violator is a resident of that villa section.

[Golfer222]

Courtyard villas are different from patio and other types of villas. The streets in the courtyard villa sections are not county or city streets. They are owned by The Villages. My deed restriction document prohibits residents of the villa section from parking on the street. The deed compliance office will enforce these restrictions as long as the violator is a resident of that villa section.

I was told the exact opposite from CDD- they told me specifically they cannot enforce street parking in the courtyard villas

[MartinSE]

I was told the exact opposite from CDD- they told me specifically they cannot enforce street parking in the courtyard villas

Here is the pertinent section of MY CYV restrictions (Calla Villa S12-719)

Edited to show the correct deed restrictions:

Here is the link to where you can find yours, every one has slightly different rules.

Village Community Development Districts (https://www.districtgov.org/departments/community-standards/download.aspx)

[retiredguy123]

Here is the pertinent section of MY CYV restrictions (Calla Villa), sadly like MOST of the "rules" it is very ambiguous, and in this case does not mention anything about parking cars anywhere. It does prohibit parking RVs, which some of my neighbors do, but it doesn't bother me, since it is always short-term.

I guess if I had to make a decision based on this working, I would say I can park an operational car pretty much anywhere I want, there are no mentioned restrictions. Which I am sure is NOT the intent. This is why I am glad the rules are complaint enforced.

Most of the time we all (in my neighborhood) just get along, and if someone complains I have my car parked in my driveway overnight once in a while, well, I expect I can challenge the complaint, based on this.
My courtyard villa deed restriction document says:

"No owner of a homesite shall park, store, or keep any vehicle except wholly within his driveway, garage or other non-visitor parking spaces."

I called District Property Management who said that it means that parking on the street is not allowed. But, when I spoke with Community Standards, they told me that they do not enforce that rule. So, go figure.

[retiredguy123]

I was told the exact opposite from CDD- they told me specifically they cannot enforce street parking in the courtyard villas
My courtyard villa deed restriction document says:

"No owner of a homesite shall park, store, or keep any vehicle except wholly within his driveway, garage or other non-visitor parking spaces."

I called District Property Management who said that it means that parking on the street is not allowed. But, when I spoke with Community Standards, they told me that they do not enforce that rule. So, go figure.

[Two Bills]

Glue a white cross on the offending cars.
They will be gone in a flash!:icon_wink:

[Velvet]

OP, I understand your frustration. When we were on our Lifestyle visit they put us into a villa. In the morning, not only was the visitor spaces taken, but the narrow curvy street had cars and working peoples trucks parked on one side so that we had to drive on someone’s lawn to get out of our house. My husband has never been to TV before and he said, “This is ridiculous, we are not buying here.” In the evening when we came home the trucks were gone but he was still unhappy. That was not the area I was interested in and we bought a designer, where the narrow street was not an issue and he’s okay with things. But he still remembers how frustrating it was at the villa.

[fdpaq0580]

It is a violation, but which enetity is responsible for enforcement?? Who is not doing their job?
Does this now mean we can put little white crosses, lawn ornaments and junk cars in our yards? Who is in charge?

[westernrider75]

That is exactly what I was told, that you can park in the street.

[tsmall22204]

This person does not say he lives in a CV, he just searched the restrictions until he found something g to complain about. Typical grumpy Villager.

[GizmoWhiskers]

If you live in a courtyard villa, there is an area intended for visitors to park their vehicles while visiting a resident. This is usually about 5 parking spaces. The deed restriction document prohibits residents of that villa section from parking their own vehicles in those spaces. But, if you live in another part of The Villages, or not even in The Villages at all, you can park a vehicle or vehicles in the visitor area and you will not violate any deed restriction, law, or other parking rule. There is no time limit. So, if you need a place to store a vehicle for a month, 6 months or even longer, you can drive into any courtyard villa section and find an available space. But, don’t let anyone know your name or address because the deed compliance office “MAY” ask you to move it. But they won’t guarantee that they will. Also, the police will do nothing to help because it is not public property. In my opinion, this parking rule is totally unacceptable and needs to addressed by The Villages and changed.

This information was obtained from the deed compliance office in Sumter Landing.

Totally get the frustration. Governance in TV is all about "selective enforcement"; but for all the uneducated on parking availability, this post and thread has served as an instructional on where to park extra vehicles. Just sayin'

[Marathon Man]

If you live in a courtyard villa, there is an area intended for visitors to park their vehicles while visiting a resident. This is usually about 5 parking spaces. The deed restriction document prohibits residents of that villa section from parking their own vehicles in those spaces. But, if you live in another part of The Villages, or not even in The Villages at all, you can park a vehicle or vehicles in the visitor area and you will not violate any deed restriction, law, or other parking rule. There is no time limit. So, if you need a place to store a vehicle for a month, 6 months or even longer, you can drive into any courtyard villa section and find an available space. But, don’t let anyone know your name or address because the deed compliance office “MAY” ask you to move it. But they won’t guarantee that they will. Also, the police will do nothing to help because it is not public property. In my opinion, this parking rule is totally unacceptable and needs to addressed by The Villages and changed.

This information was obtained from the deed compliance office in Sumter Landing.

What do you suggest that it be changed to?

[banjobob]

Posting signs requiring address of the visitors host unit be displayed on the vehicle and inspection by Community Watch for compliance , extended (over) five days issue tow warnings , reported by residents of the villas. Towing the vehicles in violation if regulations not followed.

[midiwiz]

My courtyard villa deed restriction document says:

"No owner of a homesite shall park, store, or keep any vehicle except wholly within his driveway, garage or other non-visitor parking spaces."

I called District Property Management who said that it means that parking on the street is not allowed. But, when I spoke with Community Standards, they told me that they do not enforce that rule. So, go figure.

they can't enforce it. The language is not specific enough to enforce, much like all the language in the docs. Federal standards go by exactness not vague. If you don't want something to happen then it must be specifically stated. Many organizations make this mistake in their governing documents and then some board at some time later gets caught with the incident and are stuck on how to fix it.

The way you read docs like this is look for what it doesn't say. Many years ago, our sons wanted one of those goalzilla basketball setups. (huge in concrete, etc) In reading the docs of the community I found it said "not on garage roof", "portable on driveway", yet it never said you could not permanently install on the side of your driveway. In it went, and there was nothing anyone could do to force removal of it ever

[midiwiz]

Posting signs requiring address of the visitors host unit be displayed on the vehicle and inspection by Community Watch for compliance , extended (over) five days issue tow warnings , reported by residents of the villas. Towing the vehicles in violation if regulations not followed.

legally you can't. In addition, very few towing companies want the liability. Been there done that.

[retiredguy123]

What do you suggest that it be changed to?
It should not be addressed in the deed restriction document that only applies to the residents of a single villa section. The visitor parking spaces are common areas managed by The Villages. In my opinion, they are really no different from other common parking areas, such as the rec center parking lots, where you need permission to park a vehicle overnight. If you park a vehicle for several days at a rec center, Community Watch will tag it and tow it away. I think the same rules should apply to the residential visitor parking areas. No long term parking. With the current rules, I have seen vehicles that occupy a visitor parking space for 4 or 5 months, and when you complain, The Villages, including deed compliance, property management, and community watch, all say that there is nothing they can or will do about it.

[tbat111]

Thanks absolutely agree!!

[retiredguy123]

legally you can't. In addition, very few towing companies want the liability. Been there done that.
If you try to use a rec center parking lot for long term parking, Community Watch will tag the vehicle and have it towed away. It seems like a similar situation to me, except they have no rule about long term parking in the residential visitor parking areas.

[Scorpyo]

I agree. Someone parking on the street is the epitome. I saw a car parked on the street where my courtyard villa is located. It upset me so much I didn't play golf at Sarasota a 7:30 AM. I also didn't show up at Rohan for water volleyball at11:00 AM, nor Lake Miona at 3:00 PM. Lastly I didn't go dancing at Bradenton at 6:00 PM. I mean, the nerve of someone parking on the street, how could they do that? My wife, on the other hand, did the golf, water volleyball and dancing. She thought they were more important and enjoyable then paying attention to someone parking on the street. Can you believe that? Where are her priorities?

[MartinSE]

It should not be addressed in the deed restriction document that only applies to the residents of a single villa section. The visitor parking spaces are common areas managed by The Villages. In my opinion, they are really no different from other common parking areas, such as the rec center parking lots, where you need permission to park a vehicle overnight. If you park a vehicle for several days at a rec center, Community Watch will tag it and tow it away. I think the same rules should apply to the residential visitor parking areas. No long term parking. With the current rules, I have seen vehicles that occupy a visitor parking space for 4 or 5 months, and when you complain, The Villages, including deed compliance, property management, and community watch, all say that there is nothing they can or will do about it.

Uh, not sure what you are saying, each Villa has its own unique deed restrictions. Here is a link to the ALL - each county has its own set, each division has its own set. each section its own. It is very granular.

Village Community Development Districts (https://www.districtgov.org/departments/community-standards/download.aspx)

[MartinSE]

I agree. Someone parking on the street is the epitome. I saw a car parked on the street where my courtyard villa is located. It upset me so much I didn't play golf at Sarasota a 7:30 AM. I also didn't show up at Rohan for water volleyball at11:00 AM, nor Lake Miona at 3:00 PM. Lastly I didn't go dancing at Bradenton at 6:00 PM. I mean, the nerve of someone parking on the street, how could they do that? My wife, on the other hand, did the golf, water volleyball and dancing. She thought they were more important and enjoyable then paying attention to someone parking on the street. Can you believe that? Where are her priorities?

So true, Of course there are various versions. I have no problem with temporary parking on the street. But, I do have problems when a contractor parks several vehicles for days. The one here a week ago occasionally completely blocked the road. Luckily it is a loop and I could turn around and get out the other way. I did see any point in getting my panties bunched up, but it was annoying at the time.

Neighbors - okay, they live here and things happen where it helps, but contractors are a problem in TV. They fly around the neighborhoods speeding, running stop signs and blocking roads. I would like to see some action to reduce that, but I don't know what or how.

[retiredguy123]

Uh, not sure what you are saying, each Villa has its own unique deed restrictions. Here is a link to the ALL - each county has its own set, each division has its own set. each section its own. It is very granular.

Village Community Development Districts (https://www.districtgov.org/departments/community-standards/download.aspx)
The problem is that your deed restriction document only applies to the residents of your villa section. So, someone who doesn't live in your section, can drive in and they are not bound by any deed restriction about parking or storing vehicles. That is the way it is interpreted and enforced by the deed compliance office.

[OrangeBlossomBaby]

If you live in a courtyard villa, there is an area intended for visitors to park their vehicles while visiting a resident. This is usually about 5 parking spaces. The deed restriction document prohibits residents of that villa section from parking their own vehicles in those spaces. But, if you live in another part of The Villages, or not even in The Villages at all, you can park a vehicle or vehicles in the visitor area and you will not violate any deed restriction, law, or other parking rule. There is no time limit. So, if you need a place to store a vehicle for a month, 6 months or even longer, you can drive into any courtyard villa section and find an available space. But, don’t let anyone know your name or address because the deed compliance office “MAY” ask you to move it. But they won’t guarantee that they will. Also, the police will do nothing to help because it is not public property. In my opinion, this parking rule is totally unacceptable and needs to addressed by The Villages and changed.

This information was obtained from the deed compliance office in Sumter Landing.

This is what happens when developers create a space for residents under the assumption that no one is as greedy or self-serving as they are. Nothing will change. It's a deed restriction.

[MartinSE]

The problem is that your deed restriction document only applies to the residents of your villa section. So, someone who doesn't live in your section, can drive in and they are not bound by any deed restriction about parking or storing vehicles. That is the way it is interpreted and enforced by the deed compliance office.

True.

[OrangeBlossomBaby]

OP, I understand your frustration. When we were on our Lifestyle visit they put us into a villa. In the morning, not only was the visitor spaces taken, but the narrow curvy street had cars and working peoples trucks parked on one side so that we had to drive on someone’s lawn to get out of our house. My husband has never been to TV before and he said, “This is ridiculous, we are not buying here.” In the evening when we came home the trucks were gone but he was still unhappy. That was not the area I was interested in and we bought a designer, where the narrow street was not an issue and he’s okay with things. But he still remembers how frustrating it was at the villa.

That was one of the attractions to the historic side. Many of the streets here are wide enough to -easily- accommodate street-side parking, plus two-way driving. As long as everyone is parked on the same side of the street.

If we have visitors they can park on the street overnight, though it doesn't happen often because our neighbors are considerate and usually try to accommodate the extra vehicles on their own properties.

It's especially good because we have a LOT of walkers, dog-walkers, and bicycle riders in the area, but no sidewalks. In our neighborhood you're more likely to see people standing in the middle of the road gabbing to each other, and cars instinctively slowing down around the corner because they know to expect it.

I love my neighborhood. And the cars that park in it.

[golfing eagles]

So true, Of course there are various versions. I have no problem with temporary parking on the street. But, I do have problems when a contractor parks several vehicles for days. The one here a week ago occasionally completely blocked the road. Luckily it is a loop and I could turn around and get out the other way. I did see any point in getting my panties bunched up, but it was annoying at the time.

Neighbors - okay, they live here and things happen where it helps, but contractors are a problem in TV. They fly around the neighborhoods speeding, running stop signs and blocking roads. I would like to see some action to reduce that, but I don't know what or how.

Along those lines, I wonder if anyone knows the law on this:

Frequently, when contractors work in the backyard of a home that backs up to a relatively main road with designated cart/bike lanes, such as Pinellas, Hillsborough, Hendry, Anna Maria, etc, they park their vehicles in the cart lane and hanging over into the car lane because it is closer and more convenient for them, rather than park in front of the house on a residential street. This creates a clear safety hazard. Is it legal????? Or would they get ticketed by the Sheriff's Dept.?

[golfing eagles]

That was one of the attractions to the historic side. Many of the streets here are wide enough to -easily- accommodate street-side parking, plus two-way driving. As long as everyone is parked on the same side of the street.

If we have visitors they can park on the street overnight, though it doesn't happen often because our neighbors are considerate and usually try to accommodate the extra vehicles on their own properties.

It's especially good because we have a LOT of walkers, dog-walkers, and bicycle riders in the area, but no sidewalks. In our neighborhood you're more likely to see people standing in the middle of the road gabbing to each other, and cars instinctively slowing down around the corner because they know to expect it.

I love my neighborhood. And the cars that park in it.

We'll alert the next RV convention/parade:1rotfl::1rotfl::1rotfl:

[Luggage]

Selective enforcement happens with" real government "too .

[DAVES]

What do you suggest that it be changed to?

For most it is easier to complain then to find solutions.

[retiredguy123]

For most it is easier to complain then to find solutions.
The solution is in Post No. 20. But, The Villages would need to implement it.

[n8xwb]

The ONLY thing that needs to be changed is the enforcement! No way should an owner be allowed to park his EXTRA vehicle(s) in those spaces. If you can't (or choose not to) park all your vehicles in your garage/driveway, then move out of your villa and into a house that is sized for your needs. I happen to live across from a villa parking area and the last thing I want parked there is your "spare" vehicle!

[retiredguy123]

Update: Our courtyard villa section has gotten an agenda item on the next District board meeting to request a tow away sign to be placed in the visitor parking area. If successful, you may want to pursue the same process, if you live in a courtyard villa and are having parking issues.

[Topspinmo]

Update: Our courtyard villa section has gotten an agenda item on the next District board meeting to request a tow away sign to be placed in the visitor parking area. If successful, you may want to pursue the same process, if you live in a courtyard villa and are having parking issues.

I don’t think sign going to stop some….but, it will denture few law biding people.

[retiredguy123]

I don’t think sign going to stop some….but, it will denture few law biding people.
I once owned a private parking lot for a business I owned in Georgia. I tried everything to prevent people from parking in my lot. You are correct that signs alone do not work. You must actually hire a towing company and tow away the vehicles. I was always amazed that people would park their car directly in front of a tow away sign, and then complain to me that I had their car towed. LOL.

[DaleDivine]

It should not be addressed in the deed restriction document that only applies to the residents of a single villa section. The visitor parking spaces are common areas managed by The Villages. In my opinion, they are really no different from other common parking areas, such as the rec center parking lots, where you need permission to park a vehicle overnight. If you park a vehicle for several days at a rec center, Community Watch will tag it and tow it away. I think the same rules should apply to the residential visitor parking areas. No long term parking. With the current rules, I have seen vehicles that occupy a visitor parking space for 4 or 5 months, and when you complain, The Villages, including deed compliance, property management, and community watch, all say that there is nothing they can or will do about it.

I live in a CYV and there is one gentleman that has been living with his girlfriend across from the overflow parking lot. He has been parking in it for at least 6 years.
Nobody has ever said anything to him that I'm aware of.
:popcorn::ohdear::popcorn::ohdear:

[Villages Kahuna]

The discipline of a couple of pokes with a sharp awl in the tires might send a message. But you’d better be sure it really is an illegal parker.

[Two Bills]

I once owned a private parking lot for a business I owned in Georgia. I tried everything to prevent people from parking in my lot. You are correct that signs alone do not work. You must actually hire a towing company and tow away the vehicles. I was always amazed that people would park their car directly in front of a tow away sign, and then complain to me that I had their car towed. LOL.

I found this site on YouTube hilarious.
So many dumb people!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LKgAwPdvaz4

[thevillages2013]

The discipline of a couple of pokes with a sharp awl in the tires might send a message. But you’d better be sure it really is an illegal parker.

Snipping off the valve stem is easier

[Topgun 1776]

Posting signs requiring address of the visitors host unit be displayed on the vehicle and inspection by Community Watch for compliance , extended (over) five days issue tow warnings , reported by residents of the villas. Towing the vehicles in violation if regulations not followed.

WOAH! HOLD UP! So, do you know how many resident vehicles or their long term guests will get towed then? So, do you really think the residents will report each other... probably not. Then, if someone does, the towed resident will file suit for harassment or unlawful towing due to "selective" and discriminate towing of people they don't like or know. What you propose is hundreds of lawsuits waiting to happen because of over-zealous, grumpy old Villagers with nothing else to do.

[midiwiz]

If you try to use a rec center parking lot for long term parking, Community Watch will tag the vehicle and have it towed away. It seems like a similar situation to me, except they have no rule about long term parking in the residential visitor parking areas.

rec center isn't looked at in the same way as those parking spaces. it's a legal thin line of sorts.

[retiredguy123]

rec center isn't looked at in the same way as those parking spaces. it's a legal thin line of sorts.
I recently found out that some villa areas have gotten approval and erected towing signs. But, apparently it needs approval from the District Board to designate the visitor parking area as a tow away zone.

[Keefelane66]

Everyone is so concerned about ladies in golf cart finding deed restricts it seems they all wound up here to worry about what other people do.
How many posters here actually live in Courtyard areas?

[Sandy and Ed]

Everyone is so concerned about ladies in golf cart finding deed restricts it seems they all wound up here to worry about what other people do.
How many posters here actually live in Courtyard areas?
Well…..I do for one

[Sandy and Ed]

Posting signs requiring address of the visitors host unit be displayed on the vehicle and inspection by Community Watch for compliance , extended (over) five days issue tow warnings , reported by residents of the villas. Towing the vehicles in violation if regulations not followed.
Vehicles parked in these common courtyard areas need to , somehow, be id’d with a “sponsor” resident and a date parked. We lived in a gated over55 community and residents relatives continuously used clubhouse parking lot to store their vehicles. Needed some way ti insure they were not stolen and abandoned

[charlieo1126@gmail.com]

3 of my homes were court yard villas , in a perfect world you would like all cars parked in garages , but the world isn’t perfect , personally I preferred residents with more then one car to park in visitors parking rather then in there driveway or street. The funny thing was the few vocal complainers always seemed to be people with one car , but overall I never thought it was something I gave much thought about., life is short and at 83 getting shorter

[newgirl]

Streets are public, not private so anyone who wants to park on one can. So many think this is a gated community but it is not, all roads are public.

[bobnyce]

The solution is in Post No. 20. But, The Villages would need to implement it.

Selective enforcement in the Lady Lake portion of the Villages would be very welcome since it would mean there is SOME enforcement which is better than NO enforcement - the current state of affairs!