Disney vs Desantis

[villagetinker]

I am sure this will have an effect on my future voting:

MSN (https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/ron-desantis-disney-revenge-could-cost-florida-residents-1-billion/ar-AAWp5Oa?ocid=msedgdhp&pc=U531&cvid=b821a6d299204ada899e0a9e60613eec)

Hope the link works, if not do a Google search, the Florida taxpayers could be on the hook for $2 BILLION if this goes through.

I hope this does not go completely political.....

[JSR22]

I do not think the Governor made a smart decision.

[Bogie Shooter]

Another thread.
https://www.talkofthevillages.com/forums/villages-florida-general-discussion-73/bill-abolish-special-districts-331302/

[Packer Fan]

I am sure this will have an effect on my future voting:

MSN (https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/ron-desantis-disney-revenge-could-cost-florida-residents-1-billion/ar-AAWp5Oa?ocid=msedgdhp&pc=U531&cvid=b821a6d299204ada899e0a9e60613eec)

Hope the link works, if not do a Google search, the Florida taxpayers could be on the hook for $2 BILLION if this goes through.

I hope this does not go completely political.....

You would believe MSN????????? of course they are going to attack Desantis. Personally, I am done with Disney. They are on a downhill slide they may not recover from.

[EdFNJ]

I am sure this will have an effect on my future voting:

I hope this does not go completely political.....

You just did. ;)

Shouldn't be affecting us up here. Mini-He is on a "we'll get even if you don't agree" rampage. Only going to get worse as the next few years come and go.

"...... warned on Tuesday that residents of Orange and Osceola counties may have to assume Disney's liabilities of anywhere between $1 billion and $2 billion if the Reedy Creek Improvement District is dissolved."

[Bogie Shooter]

You would believe MSN????????? of course they are going to attack Desantis. Personally, I am done with Disney. They are on a downhill slide they may not recover from.

:1rotfl::1rotfl::1rotfl:

[MartinSE]

You would believe MSN????????? of course they are going to attack Desantis. Personally, I am done with Disney. They are on a downhill slide they may not recover from.

And you have every right to do that. They did something, you disagree with it, as an American you have every right to not patronize them.

Sadly, THEY apparently do not have a right to say what they believe. There is NO doubt why this action is being taken, it is a government action to retaliate against a speech that the government disagrees with - isn't that covered someplace in the constitution? Isn't free speech something we hear all the time on this forum. Or is freedom of speech only free when one agrees with the person being censored?

I hope some will look beyond the reason this action is being taken and see it is a direct attack on democracy in our country and a direct violation of the constitution.

[billethkid]

And you have every right to do that. They did something, you disagree with it, as an American you have every right to not patronize them.

Sadly, THEY apparently do not have a right to say what they believe. There is NO doubt why this action is being taken, it is a government action to retaliate against a speech that the government disagrees with - isn't that covered someplace in the constitution? Isn't free speech something we hear all the time on this forum. Or is freedom of speech only free when one agrees with the person being censored?

I hope some will look beyond the reason this action is being taken and see it is a direct attack on democracy in our country and a direct violation of the constitution.

"Some"........will. The special interest focus will be tolerated/allowed tocontinue until they eventually out numbering the some!

[bagboy]

This topic doesn't seem like something VT would start a thread about. After 11 years on this forum, and viewing hundreds if not thousands of his comments, I almost think his account was hacked ...

[Keefelane66]

This topic doesn't seem like something VT would start a thread about. After 11 years on this forum, and viewing hundreds if not thousands of his comments, I almost think his account was hacked ...
For VT he is a straight shooter very confident with his posts he is always very accurate with his posts very helpful

[justjim]

[QUOTE=JSR22;2086109]I do not think the Governor made a smart decision.[/QUOTE

If we agree with everything a person does or says, we likely aren’t thinking for ourselves. Anonymous

[villagetinker]

VT here, I found the article interesting, I missed there were only 2 counties involved, but the potential financial impact was what I was trying to point out, made national news this evening. It will be interesting to see what happens next.

I really was not going to post this, probably my last close to political post. I will just go back to helping people.

[Bill14564]

VT here, I found the article interesting, I missed there were only 2 counties involved, but the potential financial impact was what I was trying to point out, made national news this evening. It will be interesting to see what happens next.

I really was not going to post this, probably my last close to political post. I will just go back to helping people.

The potential financial impact is interesting. I have been looking for some information on this so I appreciate you posting the link.

[affald]

Thank you Governor. It's a start.

[YeOldeCurmudgeon]

Surprised this was allowed because it is very political. However, I think it's important to know about about matters that affect people's taxes.

Just my two cents, but to me, the Governor's appropriate title is "Moron DeSantis" -- that's about as political I will get because I don't want to get banned ... :icon_wink:

[Dotneko]

Not as gloom and doom as MSM makes it appear. The monies will move from one account to another. Those revenues will not be lost, merely show up in another column.
But nice attempt on their part to back Disney and slam Desantis.
Orange and Osceola counties will be impacted at first, but they will bounce back with revenue gains.

[thevillages2013]

VT here, I found the article interesting, I missed there were only 2 counties involved, but the potential financial impact was what I was trying to point out, made national news this evening. It will be interesting to see what happens next.

I really was not going to post this, probably my last close to political post. I will just go back to helping people.

Yeah what you have done is give some of the a$$hats on here a platform to slam the governor

[Petersweeney]

I see this thread leaning left and now I know why it has not been “deleted “ - sad

[Two Bills]

After reading article, and personally having no dog in the fight, I thought this was the most telling comment.

State Senator Jeff Brandes, a Republican, also expressed worries over Disney's liabilities, saying: "My concern is this bill essentially wipes away Disney's $2 billion of debt," adding: "If the legislative intent here is ultimately to attack them, then why would we want to cancel $2 billion of debt?"

[golfing eagles]

After reading article, and having absolutely no dog in the fight, I thought this was the most telling comment.

State Senator Jeff Brandes, a Republican, also expressed worries over Disney's liabilities, saying: "My concern is this bill essentially wipes away Disney's $2 billion of debt," adding: "If the legislative intent here is ultimately to attack them, then why would we want to cancel $2 billion of debt?"

But is that true???? Who knows????

And if it is, why would the state of Florida allow Disney to run up a $2 billion debt????
And how would dissolving their special arrangement "cancel" debt already incurred???
Smell test anyone?????

[Eg_cruz]

I am sure this will have an effect on my future voting:

MSN (https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/ron-desantis-disney-revenge-could-cost-florida-residents-1-billion/ar-AAWp5Oa?ocid=msedgdhp&pc=U531&cvid=b821a6d299204ada899e0a9e60613eec)

Hope the link works, if not do a Google search, the Florida taxpayers could be on the hook for $2 BILLION if this goes through.

I hope this does not go completely political.....
Don’t believe any thing from MSN or any others. Wait and see what the County Tax Collectors say.

[Life as I know it]

It’s all political….hide the truth, go back in the closet, goodbye Mickey Mouse, for what? Maybe we should look to make up the revenue by taking away the religious tax exemptions also? It’s all about , power, greed, and getting even now. That is what it is all about.

[Eg_cruz]

And you have every right to do that. They did something, you disagree with it, as an American you have every right to not patronize them.

Sadly, THEY apparently do not have a right to say what they believe. There is NO doubt why this action is being taken, it is a government action to retaliate against a speech that the government disagrees with - isn't that covered someplace in the constitution? Isn't free speech something we hear all the time on this forum. Or is freedom of speech only free when one agrees with the person being censored?

I hope some will look beyond the reason this action is being taken and see it is a direct attack on democracy in our country and a direct violation of the constitution.
Disney is going more then exercising their Freedom of Speech. Some companies think they are to big to bring them in check.

[Eg_cruz]

Not as gloom and doom as MSM makes it appear. The monies will move from one account to another. Those revenues will not be lost, merely show up in another column.
But nice attempt on their part to back Disney and slam Desantis.
Orange and Osceola counties will be impacted at first, but they will bounce back with revenue gains.
Thank you

[Worldseries27]

it’s all political….hide the truth, go back in the closet, goodbye mickey mouse, for what? Maybe we should look to make up the revenue by taking away the religious tax exemptions also? It’s all about , power, greed, and getting even now. That is what it is all about.
this is not a political response.
1. Let's hope reasonable people eventually make reasonable decisions for all our benefit.
2. This is why, we as a nation, must always think twice about any individual whom we give the power of the nuclear trigger to, regardless of political affiliation.

[RICH1]

Good Ole Disney , influencing young minds with a Giant mouse and a Magic Kingdom…

[me4vt]

Florida never should have let Disney be a controlling factor in our Government.


I am sure this will have an effect on my future voting:

MSN (https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/ron-desantis-disney-revenge-could-cost-florida-residents-1-billion/ar-AAWp5Oa?ocid=msedgdhp&pc=U531&cvid=b821a6d299204ada899e0a9e60613eec)

Hope the link works, if not do a Google search, the Florida taxpayers could be on the hook for $2 BILLION if this goes through.

I hope this does not go completely political.....

[me4vt]

Yes he did! Florida never should have let Disney be a controlling factor in our Government.

[me4vt]

Yes

[ThirdOfFive]

Disney is going more then exercising their Freedom of Speech. Some companies think they are to big to bring them in check.
Good point.

Mickey & Co. aren't going away, Once the smoke clears and the howling lessens, it is back to business as usual.

[Vikingjunior]

Maybe Disney shouldn't have tried extorting the government by threatening to withhold donations from a certain party because they didn't like a certain bill that was passed by elected officials.

Disney let a handful of people pressure them to go woke and their tanking stock reflects Americas response.

Anyone who wants to cry about moral ground let's not forget when Obama's IRS went after conservative business owners.

Politics have become down right dirty but if you stand by idle you will be walked all over in today's environment.

It's nice to have somebody willing to fight back against people who try to extort and bully their way into what they want.

[crash]

I do not think the Governor made a smart decision.

He basically said you speak out against me or my policies I will punish you. Sounds like the local policy for the commissioners too.

[Babubhat]

Shareholders can deduct the additional from the overpaid CEO salary. Words have consequences

[crash]

Maybe Disney shouldn't have tried extorting the government by threatening to withhold donations from a certain party because they didn't like a certain bill that was passed by elected officials.

Disney let a handful of people pressure them to go woke and their tanking stock reflects Americas response.

Anyone who wants to cry about moral ground let's not forget when Obama's IRS went after conservative business owners.

Politics have become down right dirty but if you stand by idle you will be walked all over in today's environment.

It's nice to have somebody willing to fight back against people who try to extort and bully their way into what they want.

Yes because conservatives say they are about freedom and less government control and this shows only as long as you agree with me. Does Disney not have the right to speak out about gay bashing and discrimination what happened to the free speech conservatives are always screaming about.

As long as Disney makes money their stock will go back up don’t worry about that.

[georgefloto]

Completely agree

[georgefloto]

Why are you all bashing our governor

[toeser]

I am sure this will have an effect on my future voting:

MSN (https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/ron-desantis-disney-revenge-could-cost-florida-residents-1-billion/ar-AAWp5Oa?ocid=msedgdhp&pc=U531&cvid=b821a6d299204ada899e0a9e60613eec)

Hope the link works, if not do a Google search, the Florida taxpayers could be on the hook for $2 BILLION if this goes through.

I hope this does not go completely political.....


And the counties will tax Disney to pay off those debts. This is nothing but political fear-mongering.

[noslices1]

It seems that this whole conversation actually began with “Disney vs Parents Rights”, when the CEO of Disney came out against the Bill that the Liberals are calling the “Don’t say Gay” bill. The only thing the Bill actually does is give parents the right to choose what their young children are taught about sex in their first few years in school.

[dadcat]

Way too many Democrats/Liberals here

[Keefelane66]

Not as gloom and doom as MSM makes it appear. The monies will move from one account to another. Those revenues will not be lost, merely show up in another column.
But nice attempt on their part to back Disney and slam Desantis.
Orange and Osceola counties will be impacted at first, but they will bounce back with revenue gains.
Just what happened two years ago a tax increase money from my pocket went another’s pocket. I’m paying an additional bond to support a companies success!
We had a state legislator that helped one specific entity over the tax payers he was to represent, he wasn’t on our payroll!

[richardc1947]

What the MSN article fails to point out is that the taxes that Disney pays to itself would flow to the local governments. This would largely offset the liabilities and costs associated with Reedy Creek. This seems to be yet another example of journalism that skews the facts in the name of liberalism!

[Bayco]

And you have every right to do that. They did something, you disagree with it, as an American you have every right to not patronize them.

Sadly, THEY apparently do not have a right to say what they believe. There is NO doubt why this action is being taken, it is a government action to retaliate against a speech that the government disagrees with - isn't that covered someplace in the constitution? Isn't free speech something we hear all the time on this forum. Or is freedom of speech only free when one agrees with the person being censored?

I hope some will look beyond the reason this action is being taken and see it is a direct attack on democracy in our country and a direct violation of the constitution.

👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻

[Bella6368]

VT here, I found the article interesting, I missed there were only 2 counties involved, but the potential financial impact was what I was trying to point out, made national news this evening. It will be interesting to see what happens next.

I really was not going to post this, probably my last close to political post. I will just go back to helping people.

I see political posts on this site everyday, but yet this line remains at the top of the web-site: NO POLITICAL REFERENCES ARE ALLOWED ON THE WEBSITE.

[villager7591]

I don't see much discussion about the children. Does anyone think it's a good idea to start 'teaching' your 5-6 year olds about gender identity? How would you like your 7 year old coming home and telling you he/she wants to change sex ?

[TheWarriors]

I am sure this will have an effect on my future voting:

MSN (https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/ron-desantis-disney-revenge-could-cost-florida-residents-1-billion/ar-AAWp5Oa?ocid=msedgdhp&pc=U531&cvid=b821a6d299204ada899e0a9e60613eec)

Hope the link works, if not do a Google search, the Florida taxpayers could be on the hook for $2 BILLION if this goes through.

I hope this does not go completely political.....

Actually, it will be paid for via a special tax assessment district for the area now called Reedy Creek which is currently Disney. No funds will come from taxpayers and Disney is likely to pay more taxes since they will now be a part of Orange County and subject to their rules and regulations.

[B-flat]

disney is going more then exercising their freedom of speech. Some companies think they are to big to bring them in check.
ditto!

[Petersweeney]

I’m going to Disney Springs to buy some Nike e gear and wash all the crap they feed us down with a Coke…..

[midiwiz]

I am sure this will have an effect on my future voting:

MSN (https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/ron-desantis-disney-revenge-could-cost-florida-residents-1-billion/ar-AAWp5Oa?ocid=msedgdhp&pc=U531&cvid=b821a6d299204ada899e0a9e60613eec)

Hope the link works, if not do a Google search, the Florida taxpayers could be on the hook for $2 BILLION if this goes through.

I hope this does not go completely political.....


The failure of that position is that it doesn't consider the ludicrous amount of taxes that will pour into the area rather than being held 'captive' . Unfortunately MSN tends to only look at one side of the story and never look at the entire picture. Much like half this country.

Plus the number of $2B has been changing which shows it's over baked.

[MartinSE]

ditto!

Some people think they are too big to be rained in. Freedom of speech remains for them, and A governor passing a law in retribution for something someone says, is about as anti-American as you can get.

[Blackbird45]

This is all a political game to raise his profile.
All you have to do is look at the don't say gay bill.
The bill could have said that there would no reference to sex at all between pre-school and third grade, with whatever penalty they saw fit, but it would have been a mere blip in the news.
It was specifically worded the way it was to stir up controversy, the same with the math books and now Disney.
Both sides use this tactic everyone is being used by these politicians to climb the latter.
Though over Governor is bring this to a new level.

[lpkruege1]

This seems to be a political post.

[christine J Toft]

And you have every right to do that. They did something, you disagree with it, as an American you have every right to not patronize them.

Sadly, THEY apparently do not have a right to say what they believe. There is NO doubt why this action is being taken, it is a government action to retaliate against a speech that the government disagrees with - isn't that covered someplace in the constitution? Isn't free speech something we hear all the time on this forum. Or is freedom of speech only free when one agrees with the person being censored?

I hope some will look beyond the reason this action is being taken and see it is a direct attack on democracy in our country and a direct violation of the constitution.
Let's hope the courts agree with you.

[Jeffery M]

I am sure this will have an effect on my future voting:

MSN (https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/ron-desantis-disney-revenge-could-cost-florida-residents-1-billion/ar-AAWp5Oa?ocid=msedgdhp&pc=U531&cvid=b821a6d299204ada899e0a9e60613eec)

Hope the link works, if not do a Google search, the Florida taxpayers could be on the hook for $2 BILLION if this goes through.

I hope this does not go completely political.....

There is no state income tax in Florida.

[rogerrice60]

Tax Disney to make up any short fall.
Glad to see Disney being held accountable for their ungodly position!

[Villages Kahuna]

The government of The Villages is based closely on that of the way the Disney developments are financed and governed. The exception I believe is that Disney issues the bond financing to fund their developments, but retains the obligation to repay those bonds. The result is that Disney retains the authority to “govern” the areas using that form of financing.

In the case of The Villages, the obligation to service and repay the bonds used to fund infrastructure development is transferred to home buyers when they close on the purchase of their homes. Governance of The Villages is then transferred to homeowners over a ten-year period, after which the homeowners have the authority and responsibility to elect representatives to self-govern, including funding all governmental services with real estate taxes.

The question I have is whether the legislation passed yesterday will prevent the issuance of the bonds by The Villages in the first place? That is, will the Developer be required to fund the infrastructure and recreational facilities and then try to repay themselves thru much higher sales prices of new homes?

I haven’t read any analysis of the new Florida law, but it seems to me that it will change the fundamental formula which has permitted over thirty years of successful development of The Villages and rapidly speed the responsibility for providing and all the services normally provided by governmental agencies. The question that follows of course is whether real estate taxes will have to immediately put in place to provide and fund the governance of The Villages which had been provided by the Developer over the initial ten-year period following completion of various phases of the development?

I sure don’t have those answers, max out site seems to follow that the cost of infrastructure development will have to be’ baked in’ to the selling prices of new homes with the residents immediately assuming the responsibility of forming, organizing and paying for all the units of government required.

Somehow, I think, the new law also has to effect residents of The Villages by removing the decision-making currently being provided by The Villages Developer.

An old saying seems to apply… If it ain’t broke, don’t fix it.

[Dantes]

Just like Twitter and it’s free speech

[christine J Toft]

Good point.

Mickey & Co. aren't going away, Once the smoke clears and the howling lessens, it is back to business as usual.
It's election year. This doesn't go into effect until summer 2023. You know, after the midterms and the Gov's re-election bid. My odds say that it will be repealed after he's elected again. Just another political move.

[Bay Kid]

This is America. Everyone should have to abide by the same rules. Plus these people are now trying to ruin the kids.

[rogerrice60]

Dumb response

[christine J Toft]

Maybe Disney shouldn't have tried extorting the government by threatening to withhold donations from a certain party because they didn't like a certain bill that was passed by elected officials.

Disney let a handful of people pressure them to go woke and their tanking stock reflects Americas response.

Anyone who wants to cry about moral ground let's not forget when Obama's IRS went after conservative business owners.

Politics have become down right dirty but if you stand by idle you will be walked all over in today's environment.

It's nice to have somebody willing to fight back against people who try to extort and bully their way into what they want.
I guess anyone who doesn't give $ to a politician, is "Extorting the Government"! Seriously! Get you hate out here folks!

[christine J Toft]

Why are you all bashing our governor
You're kidding, right?

[bp243]

I am sure this will have an effect on my future voting:

MSN (https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/ron-desantis-disney-revenge-could-cost-florida-residents-1-billion/ar-AAWp5Oa?ocid=msedgdhp&pc=U531&cvid=b821a6d299204ada899e0a9e60613eec)

Hope the link works, if not do a Google search, the Florida taxpayers could be on the hook for $2 BILLION if this goes through.

I hope this does not go completely political.....

Sorry, but this is already political. In what way will this change financially benefit the residents of Florida? This is a direct hit at Disney’s position on embracing all people. You are allowed your own position on this belief and so is Disney, as well as their desire to be a profitable business.

[Joe C.]

The OP doesn't want his post to go "political". So we need to remind ourselves that there is a huge difference between "politics" and "government". The OP is about a situation between our state government and a commercial entity. There is nothing about Dems or Reps or Independent parties.

[Lindaws]

Disinformation from most

[airstreamingypsy]

I don't see much discussion about the children. Does anyone think it's a good idea to start 'teaching' your 5-6 year olds about gender identity? How would you like your 7 year old coming home and telling you he/she wants to change sex ?

So, when little Jimmy says my moms took me camping, and other kids ask him about his "moms" the teacher can't explain that love is love and some kids have two moms and some kids have two dads. The teacher has to shut it down, making Jimmy's family sounds terrible and sets Jimmy up for serious bullying. That's what the bill does, it's yet another dog whistle. Fixing a problem that's not a problem.

[airstreamingypsy]

I don't see much discussion about the children. Does anyone think it's a good idea to start 'teaching' your 5-6 year olds about gender identity? How would you like your 7 year old coming home and telling you he/she wants to change sex ?

So, when little Jimmy says my moms took me camping, and other kids ask him about his "moms" the teacher can't explain that love is love and some kids have two moms and some kids have two dads. The teacher has to shut it down, making Jimmy's family sounds terrible and sets Jimmy up for serious bullying. That's what the bill does, it's yet another dog whistle. Fixing a problem that's not a problem. Disney will be around long after Desantis is forgotten.

[Babubhat]

Complete waste of time debating this. Disney will adapt and raise prices. Life goes on

[Bogie Shooter]

This seems to be a political post.

Of the previous 50 ,,,,,which one?

[Jacob85]

I thought this site was not for political opinions

[bp243]

So, when little Jimmy says my moms took me camping, and other kids ask him about his "moms" the teacher can't explain that love is love and some kids have two moms and some kids have two dads. The teacher has to shut it down, making Jimmy's family sounds terrible and sets Jimmy up for serious bullying. That's what the bill does, it's yet another dog whistle. Fixing a problem that's not a problem.

Thank you! Discrimination is obviously being encouraged by those who are unable to embrace love over fear.

[ASA89]

DeSantis framed his bill to nullify special tax districts established prior to 1968. The Disney Reedy Creek district was established in 1967. No surprise because if he included all special districts, The Villages Developer would have been included!
Pretty transparent and an obvious attempt at punishing free speech. Let’s hope Disney puts it’s money into supporting candidates who aren’t running for the White House and actually represent all of their constituents.

[dnptrll]

“Sex,” I was pretty sure, meant whether you were a boy or girl, and “sin” made Tante Jans very angry, but what the two together meant I could not imagine. And so, seated next to Father in the train compartment, I suddenly asked, “Father, what is sexsin?”
He turned to look at me, as he always did when answering a question, but to my surprise he said nothing. At last he stood up, lifted his traveling case from the rack over our heads, and set it on the floor.
“Will you carry it off the train, Corrie?” he said.
I stood up and tugged at it. It was crammed with the watches and spare parts he had purchased that morning.
“It’s too heavy,” I said.
“Yes,” he said. “And it would be a pretty poor father who would ask his little girl to carry such a load. It’s the same way, Corrie, with knowledge. Some knowledge is too heavy for children. When you are older and stronger you can bear it. For now you must trust me to carry it for you.” - from The Hiding Place: The Triumphant True Story of Corrie Ten Boom

We are asking our children to carry loads that are way too heavy for them. They should not be forced, as children, to see and feel the world through the lens of adults. Innocence is worth protecting and worth fighting for. We need to do our part as teachers, parents and caregivers to carry certain things for them until they are old enough to bear the load.

[Gray lady of the sea]

I agree ! Thank you