Junk Mail

[daniel200]

I don’t like junk mail. It never gets past the trash bin near my mail box. I found this link that allows you to opt out of those ValPak mailers. No name is required to opt out. Just your postal address.

Valpak Mailing List Removal Request (https://www.valpak.com/coupons/show/mailinglistsuppression)

[retiredguy123]

LOL. So, you opt out of one piece of junk mail. What's the point? Ever since ValPak started putting $100 checks in some of their envelopes, I have been afraid to throw them away. And, sometimes they actually have useful coupons, like Sam's Club membership discounts.

[Stu from NYC]

Watch out for the trash police who do not want you to use the trash bins by postal station for junk mail.

They want you to take it home and toss it in your own garbage.

[charlieo1126@gmail.com]

Junk mail must work because companies keep sending it , but there is a benefit from junk mail for all of us, it keeps the prices the post office charges for other services down

[Ecuadog]

Thank you, daniel200.

[Stu from NYC]

Junk mail must work because companies keep sending it , but there is a benefit from junk mail for all of us, it keeps the prices the post office charges for other services down

It also keeps people working in landfills employed

[retiredguy123]

Junk mail must work because companies keep sending it , but there is a benefit from junk mail for all of us, it keeps the prices the post office charges for other services down
Not logical. It doesn't benefit me because I rarely use any postal services. But, I do pay a lot of taxes that are used to pay for the Post Office, most of which goes to pay them to delivery the underpriced junk mail.

[JohnN]

Thanks Daniel. Unlike those who says it doesn't matter, etc etc. Well, it matters to me, it's one less piece of junkmail.
I don't know if that employs postal people or garbage dump people, but I don't need it and the world doesn't need it.

[Keefelane66]

Not logical. It doesn't benefit me because I rarely use any postal services. But, I do pay a lot of taxes that are used to pay for the Post Office, most of which goes to pay them to delivery the underpriced junk mail.
The Postal Service generally receives no tax dollars for operating expenses and relies on the sale of postage, products and services to fund its operations.Mar 17, 2022

[retiredguy123]

Has anyone ever heard the environmentalist view about junk mail? Tons of paper manufactured to produce junk mail. Then it is transported in planes, trains, and trucks around the country. Then, more than 95 percent of it is discarded into the trash without even being read. Then, it is picked up and hauled away in more trucks to be burned or deposited into a landfill. Without the U. S. Post Office, none of this would happen. I have never received any junk mail from UPS or FedEx.

[Papa_lecki]

Has anyone ever heard the environmentalist view about junk mail? Tons of paper manufactured to produce junk mail. Then it is transported in planes, trains, and trucks around the country. Then, more than 95 percent of it is discarded into the trash without even being read. Then, it is picked up and hauled away in more trucks to be burned or deposited into a landfill. Without the U. S. Post Office, none of this would happen. I have never received any junk mail from UPS or FedEx.

Our trash is converted to electricity.
Most junk mail is printed locally, so not really trucked around the country. And TV mail system is a highly sustainable model, mail truck goes to one place and drops mail for a few hundred residents.

And how much to send a birthday card or a check via UPS or FedEx?

[retiredguy123]

The Postal Service generally receives no tax dollars for operating expenses and relies on the sale of postage, products and services to fund its operations.Mar 17, 2022
Not true. The Post Office owes billions of dollars to the Treasury. You mentioned operating expenses, but that is only part of the cost to the taxpayers for the Post Office. For example, it doesn't include the cost for pensions and health benefits that retired postal workers receive. A postal worker who retires at age 55, will receive a generous pension and health care benefits for 30 years or longer, while performing no work at all. The Post Office does not consider this cost as part of their "operating expenses", but it is an enormous cost to the taxpayers. That is why they continue to need to borrow more money from the Treasury.

[retiredguy123]

Our trash is converted to electricity.
Most junk mail is printed locally, so not really trucked around the country. And TV mail system is a highly sustainable model, mail truck goes to one place and drops mail for a few hundred residents.

And how much to send a birthday card or a check via UPS or FedEx?
So, you think junk mail is a good deal?

[GpaVader]

Watch out for the trash police who do not want you to use the trash bins by postal station for junk mail.

They want you to take it home and toss it in your own garbage.

What you are actually supposed to do is take the prepaid postage envelopes that come with your CC applications and fill those with the junk mail and send it back. They have to pay for the weight of the envelope so fill it up.....

[Stu from NYC]

What you are actually supposed to do is take the prepaid postage envelopes that come with your CC applications and fill those with the junk mail and send it back. They have to pay for the weight of the envelope so fill it up.....

I have been tempted several times

[Bogie Shooter]

Thank you, daniel200.

For what?

[Ecuadog]

I don’t like junk mail. It never gets past the trash bin near my mail box. I found this link that allows you to opt out of those ValPak mailers. No name is required to opt out. Just your postal address.

Valpak Mailing List Removal Request (https://www.valpak.com/coupons/show/mailinglistsuppression)

Thank you, daniel200.

For what?

I thanked him for posting a link that I found useful.

[Keefelane66]

Not true. The Post Office owes billions of dollars to the Treasury. You mentioned operating expenses, but that is only part of the cost to the taxpayers for the Post Office. For example, it doesn't include the cost for pensions and health benefits that retired postal workers receive. A postal worker who retires at age 55, will receive a generous pension and health care benefits for 30 years or longer, while performing no work at all. The Post Office does not consider this cost as part of their "operating expenses", but it is an enormous cost to the taxpayers. That is why they continue to need to borrow more money from the Treasury.
During the Bush2 administration Congress controls what and how the Post Office operates. A law was made for the Post Office to fund medical and pension obligation 75 years in the future this requires the Post Office to deposit between 5-6 billion dollars annually.

[Keefelane66]

I don’t like junk mail. It never gets past the trash bin near my mail box. I found this link that allows you to opt out of those ValPak mailers. No name is required to opt out. Just your postal address.

Valpak Mailing List Removal Request (https://www.valpak.com/coupons/show/mailinglistsuppression)
All this for one piece of junk mail if you come up with stopping the other 100 or so mailing I’ll thank you.

[retiredguy123]

During the Bush2 administration Congress controls what and how the Post Office operates. A law was made for the Post Office to fund medical and pension obligation 75 years in the future this requires the Post Office to deposit between 5-6 billion dollars annually.
That funding requirement is being repealed, and the Post Office is getting a relief package of $50 billion. But, they are still deeply in debt and getting deeper. See link.

Congress passes $50 bln U.S. Postal Service relief bill | Reuters (https://www.reuters.com/world/us/us-senate-approves-50-billion-postal-service-relief-bill-2022-03-08/)

But, none of that has anything to do with the "operating expense" deception. The Post Office promotes an untruth that they are not a burden on the taxpayer. They want people to ignore the enormous cost of retiree pensions and health care, which they don't want to count in their operating expenses. But, that is why every GAO audit reports that the Post Office loses money.

[daniel200]

All this for one piece of junk mail if you come up with stopping the other 100 or so mailing I’ll thank you.

Well actually, there is another site where you can “optout” of receiving prescreened credit card offers. And it has worked for me the last two years.

Under the Fair Credit Reporting Act (FCRA), the Consumer Credit Reporting Companies are permitted to include your name on lists used by creditors or insurers to make firm offers of credit or insurance that are not initiated by you ("Firm Offers"). The FCRA also provides you the right to "Opt-Out", which prevents Consumer Credit Reporting Companies from providing your credit file information for Firm Offers.

OptOutPrescreen.com (https://www.optoutprescreen.com/)

However, for this site you must also provide your name. OptOutPrescreen.com is a centralized service to accept and process requests from consumers to "Opt-In" or "Opt-Out" of firm offers of credit or insurance. OptOutPrescreen.com is a joint venture among Equifax Information Services, LLC, Experian Information Solutions, Inc., Innovis Data Solutions, Inc., and TransUnion, LLC (collectively the "Consumer Credit Reporting Companies").

[billethkid]

Watch out for the trash police who do not want you to use the trash bins by postal station for junk mail.

They want you to take it home and toss it in your own garbage.

I so look forward to meeting them!!!!

[Keefelane66]

Well actually, there is another site where you can “optout” of receiving prescreened credit card offers. And it has worked for me the last two years.

Under the Fair Credit Reporting Act (FCRA), the Consumer Credit Reporting Companies are permitted to include your name on lists used by creditors or insurers to make firm offers of credit or insurance that are not initiated by you ("Firm Offers"). The FCRA also provides you the right to "Opt-Out", which prevents Consumer Credit Reporting Companies from providing your credit file information for Firm Offers.

OptOutPrescreen.com (https://www.optoutprescreen.com/)

However, for this site you must also provide your name. OptOutPrescreen.com is a centralized service to accept and process requests from consumers to "Opt-In" or "Opt-Out" of firm offers of credit or insurance. OptOutPrescreen.com is a joint venture among Equifax Information Services, LLC, Experian Information Solutions, Inc., Innovis Data Solutions, Inc., and TransUnion, LLC (collectively the "Consumer Credit Reporting Companies").
Thank You now your getting serious.
Now if I could stop the weekly hearing mailings.
Thanks Again

[Stu from NYC]

I so look forward to meeting them!!!!

Wish they would get a uniform:)

[tophcfa]

Junk mail is my favorite type of mail, everything else are bills.

[Worldseries27]

watch out for the trash police who do not want you to use the trash bins by postal station for junk mail.

They want you to take it home and toss it in your own garbage.
what would be their response to the fact that we all pay for trash pickup in our " amenities" bill. I see dozens of trash receptacles around the various rec centers and fields. Is postal trash any different?

[thevillages2013]

It also keeps people working in landfills employed

What about all the trees that had to die so junk mail could be made( he says hands wringing)

[La lamy]

I don’t like junk mail. It never gets past the trash bin near my mail box. I found this link that allows you to opt out of those ValPak mailers. No name is required to opt out. Just your postal address.

Valpak Mailing List Removal Request (https://www.valpak.com/coupons/show/mailinglistsuppression)

Thanks, I'll give it a try. :clap2:

[bowlingal]

I happen to like Valpak....good coupons to save me money. I look for it every month

[Eg_cruz]

Our trash is converted to electricity.
Most junk mail is printed locally, so not really trucked around the country. And TV mail system is a highly sustainable model, mail truck goes to one place and drops mail for a few hundred residents.

And how much to send a birthday card or a check via UPS or FedEx?
Thank you

[Eg_cruz]

I don’t like junk mail. It never gets past the trash bin near my mail box. I found this link that allows you to opt out of those ValPak mailers. No name is required to opt out. Just your postal address.

Valpak Mailing List Removal Request (https://www.valpak.com/coupons/show/mailinglistsuppression)
Easy to see that must peeps here never worked or owned company that rely on advertising. I have and mailing out ads work. You must not be a coupon clipper.

[Luggage]

Actually NO taxes are spent on the post office

The one gov dept that costs us nothing .




Not logical. It doesn't benefit me because I rarely use any postal services. But, I do pay a lot of taxes that are used to pay for the Post Office, most of which goes to pay them to delivery the underpriced junk mail.

[retiredguy123]

Actually NO taxes are spent on the post office

The one gov dept that costs us nothing .
Who will pay for the $50 billion relief bill referred to in Post No. 20?

[midiwiz]

LOL. So, you opt out of one piece of junk mail. What's the point? Ever since ValPak started putting $100 checks in some of their envelopes, I have been afraid to throw them away. And, sometimes they actually have useful coupons, like Sam's Club membership discounts.

it's at least a beginning, an option, where others have zero options but to get the junk. As for the $100 checks feel free to take the bait, I've never found anything of any real value in a valpak ever. None of the merchants are anything we care to give money to.

[Southwest737]

It also keeps people working in landfills employed
Our trash is waste to energy. It does not go to a landfill. So junk mail helps keep the lights on. Embrace it.

[retiredguy123]

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[retiredguy123]

Actually NO taxes are spent on the post office

The one gov dept that costs us nothing .
For those who believe that the USPS doesn't cost the taxpayers any money, here is the latest summary of their financial status from the Government Accountability Office (GAO) in September 2021:

"USPS is the largest postal service in the world, delivering an estimated 49 percent of all mail sent globally and playing a critical role in the nation’s communications and commerce. Congress designed USPS to be a self-sustaining entity that, like a business, would cover its operating costs primarily with revenues from selling certain products and services. However, starting in fiscal year 2007, USPS’s expenses began exceeding its revenue. This has led to total net losses of $87 billion from fiscal years 2007 through 2020, and $188 billion in total unfunded liabilities and debt as of the end of fiscal year 2020."

[Stu from NYC]

Our trash is waste to energy. It does not go to a landfill. So junk mail helps keep the lights on. Embrace it.

Embrace junk mail? Not a chance.''

What really bothers me we make a donation to a charity and several times a month same charity comes back for more.

As a result my charitable dollars are used to pay for more mailing to us asking for more money.

[retiredguy123]

Our trash is waste to energy. It does not go to a landfill. So junk mail helps keep the lights on. Embrace it.
Really? Maybe we could truck in additional trash from Canada and Mexico so we can produce even more electricity.

[JMintzer]

Actually NO taxes are spent on the post office

The one gov dept that costs us nothing .

You might want to do a bit of research on that...

Congress Just Voted to Overhaul the Post Office. Here's What That Means for Your Mail - CNET (https://www.cnet.com/news/politics/postal-service-reform-bill-mail-slowdown/)

[DonH57]

I don’t like junk mail. It never gets past the trash bin near my mail box. I found this link that allows you to opt out of those ValPak mailers. No name is required to opt out. Just your postal address.

Valpak Mailing List Removal Request (https://www.valpak.com/coupons/show/mailinglistsuppression)

I've never seen so much junk mail in my life till we moved here. It's truly a junk mail paradise. Car dealers, hearing aids, assisted living and memory care facilities, financial planning and funeral services, dental implants, and other assorted things I'll ask for when I need them.

[Stu from NYC]

I've never seen so much junk mail in my life till we moved here. It's truly a junk mail paradise. Car dealers, hearing aids, assisted living and memory care facilities, financial planning and funeral services, dental implants, and other assorted things I'll ask for when I need them.

Once a week a company offers to cremate us not sure if they mean after we are gone though. They do through in a free lunch.

[Stu from NYC]

Really? Maybe we could truck in additional trash from Canada and Mexico so we can produce even more electricity.

Very good

[craigrmorrison]

Fair enough. One person’s junk is another’s treasure. As in a reply stated earlier in this thread, without commercial direct mail pumping $ into the USPS system, your postage would be much higher.

[MartinSE]

Who will pay for the $50 billion relief bill referred to in Post No. 20?

The $50B ($5B/year for 10 years) relief package is certainly an exception as well as a previous $10B loan that was forgiven. Both of which are a result of onerous financial burden imposted by the administration in 2006. (ahem).

The current bill is to offset the requirements around retirement funding that no other company (except a few federal agencies) have to do. And have resulted in the PO almost running out of money (PO Fund is/was down to $9B)

The Bill was passed by a bipartisan vote of 342 to 92. So, BOTH parties agreed this was a good thing to do.

To the "junk mail". I don't like it either, but it is a method of some small (some not so small) companies advertise. And it provides a baseline income for the post office to offset the cost of delivering those birthday and Christmas cards to us from our grandkids.

My personal opinion is we should transition to a paperless society, but until then the post office is still the least expensive and most reliable method of sending snail mail.

[MartinSE]

Once a week a company offers to cremate us not sure if they mean after we are gone though. They do through in a free lunch.

A free lunch for members of the family while they cremate you? How thoughtful!

[Stu from NYC]

A free lunch for members of the family while they cremate you? How thoughtful!

Only friends and neighbors seem to get the free lunch.

[Ecuadog]

Our trash is waste to energy. It does not go to a landfill. So junk mail helps keep the lights on. Embrace it.

Once a week a company offers to cremate us not sure if they mean after we are gone though. They do through in a free lunch.

Would it be possible to fold in the cremation process in order to obtain even more energy?

[Stu from NYC]

Would it be possible to fold in the cremation process in order to obtain even more energy?

Well some of us seem to be filled with hot air so there might be something to your suggestion. Would you like the number of the crematory?

[retiredguy123]

Our trash is converted to electricity.
Most junk mail is printed locally, so not really trucked around the country. And TV mail system is a highly sustainable model, mail truck goes to one place and drops mail for a few hundred residents.

And how much to send a birthday card or a check via UPS or FedEx?
I tried to verify what you said but couldn't. Today, I had 6 pieces of junk mail, from The Villages, Louisiana, Alabama, Illinois, Orlando, and Washington, DC. Also, I doubt that the paper and envelopes were made locally.

[MartinSE]

Would it be possible to fold in the cremation process in order to obtain even more energy?

Sadly, Cremation consumes fuel and doesn't produce excess heat.

On the other hand there are a few companies working on composting instead of creation or burying. There are legal and health concerns to work out, but that is a great idea. Lower pollution than cremation, lower cost that either of the others. And it enriches the land.

[MartinSE]

Well some of us seem to be filled with hot air so there might be something to your suggestion. Would you like the number of the crematory?

Great reply! I hadn't thought of that, we could hire those that are unemployed and give them a pin to poke the corpse with and point the hole with the hot air escaping towards a wind turbine. By golly, I think this may be a viable business model - at least here. LOL!

[MartinSE]

Only friends and neighbors seem to get the free lunch.

Not a problem, wedding crashing is easy, just say, " I am a friend of the bride". We could just do the same and get a free meal!

[Stu from NYC]

Not a problem, wedding crashing is easy, just say, " I am a friend of the bride". We could just do the same and get a free meal!

Well for some reason my favorite wife has no interest in the free lunch so you will have to proceed without us.

However please let me know how it all turns out.

[Stu from NYC]

Now back to our regularly scheduled discussion of the pros and cons of junk mail and whether or not it plays a part in global warming.

[Ecuadog]

Well some of us seem to be filled with hot air so there might be something to your suggestion. Would you like the number of the crematory?

Sure. What do you usually order from the free lunch menu?

[retiredguy123]

I won't pay for a cremation in advance for the same reason that I don't have life insurance. When I die, I want it to be a "real" tragedy.

[Finchs]

Thank you so much!!!! I hate them too, I consider it such a waste of resources to have them continually sending me things I throw away unopened. I just applied to get off their list--Thanks Again.

[Stu from NYC]

Sure. What do you usually order from the free lunch menu?

The lunch special:a040:

[OhioBuckeye]

I know this isn’t the right thing to do but if I get any junk mail & it doesn’t have a mailing address on it, I re-mail it! Problem solved.

[fmeans]

Please have your ValPak mailers forwarded to me. I love to save money using the coupons. :)