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MorTech
05-09-2022, 06:18 AM
A nuke map with kill radius. I wouldn't worry too much about any nuke over 50mt. The USA only has a few and probably russia as well. After 50mt, you get "diminished return". Nobody has a 100mt nuke.

NUKEMAP by Alex Wellerstein (https://nuclearsecrecy.com/nukemap/)

JohnN
05-09-2022, 06:21 AM
Great news, eh? I'll add that to Covid, inflation, and politicians.

Altavia
05-09-2022, 07:33 AM
What are the nearest likely targets to the Villages?

Robbb
05-09-2022, 07:43 AM
Is there anyway we could shield Chick Filet and Costco?

Keefelane66
05-09-2022, 08:23 AM
What are the nearest likely targets to the Villages?
We aren't the center of The Universe...

MorTech
05-09-2022, 10:25 PM
You would think Orlando would be a target but then again Disney is a huge contributor to feeblemindedness and degeneracy in the USA so it would probably be spared. The Villages would be safe regardless according to the map. Figure on a 5mt airburst tactical nuke for Orlando. You don't want to waste precious nukes.

No...Sorry...Costco is toast, comrade.

Two Bills
05-10-2022, 02:57 AM
What are the nearest likely targets to the Villages?

Spanish Springs!:icon_wink:

Worldseries27
05-10-2022, 04:26 AM
you would think orlando would be a target but then again disney is a huge contributor to feeblemindedness and degeneracy in the usa so it would probably be spared. The villages would be safe regardless according to the map. Figure on a 5mt airburst tactical nuke for orlando. You don't want to waste precious nukes.

No...sorry...costco is toast, comrade.
since there is a strategic nuclear submarine base merely 175 miles away home to our atlantic fleet, i wouldn't count on escaping the inevitable

YeOldeCurmudgeon
05-10-2022, 06:01 AM
I guess you're forgetting about the fallout of nuclear radiation that travels hundreds of miles and falls to earth. This problem also occurs when nuclear reactors break down and release radiation. The recent occurrence in Japan caused radiation to spill over to the coast of California.

biker1
05-10-2022, 06:05 AM
The largest current nuke in the US arsenal is a bit over 1 mt. Russia did assemble and test a 50 mt three stage device in the early 60s but that was a one-off. The US did have an operational 25 mt three stage device in the 60s. The warheads on Minuteman and D-5 missiles are under 1 mt.

A nuke map with kill radius. I wouldn't worry too much about any nuke over 50mt. The USA only has a few and probably russia as well. After 50mt, you get "diminished return". Nobody has a 100mt nuke.

NUKEMAP by Alex Wellerstein (https://nuclearsecrecy.com/nukemap/)

Luggage
05-10-2022, 06:32 AM
The US is estimated to have about 5,000 nukes and Russia about 15,000 still. While many of the Russian rockets and planes may not get off the ground even if you have 10% hitting the US or even just one I wouldn't want to be living afterwards as the retaliation will wipe out the other country and result in enough radiation that we all get sick and die probably within the year. I don't have a gun but I will certainly want to ask my neighbors to shoot us if that was the case as they would be no food within 3 months and no clean water. As it is often been said mutually assured destruction is the only sane theory to have concerning war.

The Russian certainly could have used a tactical nuke on the steel plant in Ukraine and that would have definitely brought retaliation by other nuclear powers. So even they understand mad

mikreb
05-10-2022, 06:34 AM
Covid proved that all you need to survive an apocalypse is toilet paper and hand sanitizer. Oh yeah, and a paper or cloth mask. .

dougawhite
05-10-2022, 06:57 AM
This time-lapse video shows all of the thousands of nuclear bomb explosions that have occurred since 1945. I never realized so many have occurred.

https://youtu.be/LLCF7vPanrY

nn0wheremann
05-10-2022, 07:06 AM
A nuke map with kill radius. I wouldn't worry too much about any nuke over 50mt. The USA only has a few and probably russia as well. After 50mt, you get "diminished return". Nobody has a 100mt nuke.

NUKEMAP by Alex Wellerstein (https://nuclearsecrecy.com/nukemap/)
So long Mom,
I’m off to drop The Bomb
So don’t wait up for me.
Just think while you swelter
Down there in your shelter,
You can see me on your TV…

Ptmckiou
05-10-2022, 07:07 AM
If you survive the many blasts, then you’ll eventually starve to death from the ash clouds circling the globe and plants not getting enough sunlight to survive. With both super powers have nukes, we would be sending many to Russia and them many to the USA. End of the planet as we know it because of the sun being diminished for years.

Blackbird45
05-10-2022, 07:11 AM
Your born, you live, you die.
Worrying about when and how is a waste of time.

rogerrice60
05-10-2022, 07:26 AM
Soon true!

MrFlorida
05-10-2022, 08:14 AM
We're safe, we have the bubble over us.

Topspinmo
05-10-2022, 08:24 AM
What are the nearest likely targets to the Villages?

All military facilities.

Topspinmo
05-10-2022, 08:27 AM
If you survive the many blasts, then you’ll eventually starve to death from the ash clouds circling the globe and plants not getting enough sunlight to survive. With both super powers have nukes, we would be sending many to Russia and them many to the USA. End of the planet as we know it because of the sun being diminished for years.

Governments has plan and facilities in place for the VIPs to survive for 50 minimum years. All us peon’s are expendable.

JeffreyNJ
05-10-2022, 08:27 AM
Post Nuke Greens... I weep for the future!

Topspinmo
05-10-2022, 08:28 AM
So long Mom,
I’m off to drop The Bomb
So don’t wait up for me.
Just think while you swelter
Down there in your shelter,
You can see me on your TV…

Communication’s will be the first to go.

HRDave
05-10-2022, 09:05 AM
What are the nearest likely targets to the Villages?

The nearest targets would probably be Kings Bay, GA sub base & CenCom headquarters in the Tampa area. I don’t think that the sub base would be a primary target as the subs would all be out to sea. CenCom probably would be primary as it’s Command & Control. Most likely subject to an airburst that would vaporize a 2km area, but generate minimal fallout.
The majority of fallout would be generated by ground busters hitting missile silos & hardened Command & Control centers in the upper Midwest & Western states. Airbursts are more effective on non hardened targets & generate minimal fallout.

Petersweeney
05-10-2022, 09:22 AM
This time-lapse video shows all of the thousands of nuclear bomb explosions that have occurred since 1945. I never realized so many have occurred.

https://youtu.be/LLCF7vPanrY

Just watched the whole video - dumbstruck - literally a few thousand people took us to this point…

kcrazorbackfan
05-10-2022, 11:29 AM
A nuke map with kill radius. I wouldn't worry too much about any nuke over 50mt. The USA only has a few and probably russia as well. After 50mt, you get "diminished return". Nobody has a 100mt nuke.

NUKEMAP by Alex Wellerstein (https://nuclearsecrecy.com/nukemap/)

Really informative; put in the areas where we have lived.

DPWM21
05-10-2022, 11:55 AM
Downwinders were individuals and communities in the intermountain area between the Cascade and Rocky Mountain ranges primarily in Arizona, Nevada, New Mexico and Utah but also in Oregon, Washington, and Idaho who were exposed to radioactive contamination or nuclear fallout from atmospheric or underground nuclear weapons testing, and nuclear accidents.[1][2]

More generally, the term can also include those communities and individuals who are exposed to ionizing radiation and other emissions due to the regular production and maintenance of coal ash, nuclear weapons, nuclear power, nuclear waste and geothermal energy.[3] In regions near U.S. nuclear sites, downwinders may be exposed to releases of radioactive materials into the environment that contaminate their groundwater systems, food chains, and the air they breathe. Some downwinders may have suffered acute exposure due to their involvement in uranium mining and nuclear experimentation.[4]

Several severe adverse health effects, such as an increased incidence of cancers, thyroid diseases, CNS neoplasms, and possibly female reproductive cancers that could lead to congenital malformations have been observed in Hanford "downwind" communities exposed to nuclear fallout and radioactive contamination.[5] The impact of nuclear contamination on an individual is generally estimated as the result of the dose of radiation received and the duration of exposure, using the linear no-threshold model (LNT). Sex, age, race, culture, occupation, class, location, and simultaneous exposure to additional environmental toxins are also significant, but often overlooked, factors that contribute to the health effects on a particular "downwind" community.[6]
Source: wiki

FYI: A John Wayne movie set in Nevada, downwind, had cast and crew 30 years later with High incidence of cancers and deaths feom cancer.

Boston1945
05-10-2022, 01:02 PM
We're safe, we have the bubble over us.

YES!!! When we purchased back in the day. We were told about the HUGE BUBBLE that comes down and protects the villages from hurricanes and any tornado that might come this way. I hope it goes for nukes.

DaleDivine
05-10-2022, 02:20 PM
YES!!! When we purchased back in the day. We were told about the HUGE BUBBLE that comes down and protects the villages from hurricanes and any tornado that might come this way. I hope it goes for nukes.

Working so far...
:pray::pray:

MorTech
05-10-2022, 05:33 PM
There doesn't need to be a nuke to take out the USA, "We the People" are doing a great job of destroying the country for the opposition already.

Yes...That's why Putin would not nuke DC...Or Brussels...Or Ottawa. They are his allies.

MorTech
05-10-2022, 05:35 PM
since there is a strategic nuclear submarine base merely 175 miles away home to our atlantic fleet, i wouldn't count on escaping the inevitable

Pfftt...We will hardly feel a breeze :)

MorTech
05-10-2022, 05:40 PM
I guess you're forgetting about the fallout of nuclear radiation that travels hundreds of miles and falls to earth. This problem also occurs when nuclear reactors break down and release radiation. The recent occurrence in Japan caused radiation to spill over to the coast of California.

Pffttt...These babies are hydrogen fusion. Maybe 8 miles downwind.
The radiation did not even leave Japan. 20kt.

Worldseries27
05-10-2022, 05:54 PM
pffttt...these babies are hydrogen fusion. Maybe 8 miles downwind.
The radiation did not even leave japan. 20kt.
you need to see a classic movie titled on the beach with gregory peck. The mirved warheads and overkill is called " bouncing the rubble"
there are no winners or survivors in a world aflame

Worldseries27
05-10-2022, 06:01 PM
pffttt...these babies are hydrogen fusion. Maybe 8 miles downwind.
The radiation did not even leave japan. 20kt.
btw
nuclear fusion does not yet exist

HRDave
05-10-2022, 07:24 PM
btw
nuclear fusion does not yet exist

You are wrong! That’s exactly what Thermonuclear Weapons are. They use a Nuclear explosive to trigger a nuclear fusion explosion.

HRDave
05-10-2022, 07:27 PM
you need to see a classic movie titled on the beach with gregory peck. The mirved warheads and overkill is called " bouncing the rubble"
there are no winners or survivors in a world aflame
That scenario is only true if the enemy decides to go all in for Mutual Assured Destruction. Then, yes. It will be “bouncing the rubble”.

HRDave
05-10-2022, 07:34 PM
I guess you're forgetting about the fallout of nuclear radiation that travels hundreds of miles and falls to earth. This problem also occurs when nuclear reactors break down and release radiation. The recent occurrence in Japan caused radiation to spill over to the coast of California.

Fallout will only occur with ground penetrating weapons. Those are only targeted for hardened targets such as ICBM silos and underground command and control targets such as Cheyenne Mountain.
Airburst weapons are the preferred weapon against non-hardened targets. They produce minimal fallout.

Worldseries27
05-10-2022, 07:55 PM
you are wrong! That’s exactly what thermonuclear weapons are. They use a nuclear explosive to trigger a nuclear fusion explosion.
no you are wrong. Nuclear fusion has not been developed on earth yet. Nuclear fission is the splitting of a radioactive element u235.
Nuclear fusion is the forcible joining of hydrogen atoms to create unlimited energy.
This is still being developed. There are no fusion bombs, yet.

mtdjed
05-10-2022, 08:43 PM
What are the nearest likely targets to the Villages?

It doesn't really matter what the nearest likely target is. If it starts, there would be many strikes. The exodus from the targets would seek refuge in any safe non target area. And you can be sure that they would be asking if there is any room at the Inn.

No power, no water, no fuel, no food, no phone, no medicines. All we have left is free golf (on Executive courses) using hand pulled carts. Getting a tee time might be difficult due to lack of computer systems and phone. Bring your own drinks and don't plan on a clean toilet and toilet paper. When you get back home, you may find it has new residents.

Have a happy day!

HRDave
05-10-2022, 09:25 PM
no you are wrong. Nuclear fusion has not been developed on earth yet. Nuclear fission is the splitting of a radioactive element u235.
Nuclear fusion is the forcible joining of hydrogen atoms to create unlimited energy.
This is still being developed. There are no fusion bombs, yet.

You’re thinking of a sustained fusion reaction. As in a Fusion Reactor.
Thermonuclear Weapons create a nearly instantaneous fusion reaction resulting in a fusion reactive explosion. Fission reactions are nuclear. Thermonuclear reactions are fusion.
thermonuclear bomb | History, Principle, Diagram, Yield, Effects, & Facts | Britannica (https://www.britannica.com/technology/thermonuclear-bomb#:~:text=thermonuclear%20bomb%2C%20also%20call ed%20hydrogen,process%20known%20as%20nuclear%20fus ion).

biker1
05-10-2022, 09:29 PM
Ummm, no, you are wrong. Virtually all nuclear weapons today are two-stage fusion devices. The first stage is a uranium-based implosion fission reaction used to generate x-rays to trigger the second stage - the fusion of lithium-deuteride. As part of the second-stage, additional uranium is also fissioned to create additional yield. What has not been created yet is a controllable fusion reaction for the purposes of generating usable energy. This has been an elusive goal that may very well take many additional decades to reach.

no you are wrong. Nuclear fusion has not been developed on earth yet. Nuclear fission is the splitting of a radioactive element u235.
Nuclear fusion is the forcible joining of hydrogen atoms to create unlimited energy.
This is still being developed. There are no fusion bombs, yet.

HRDave
05-10-2022, 09:46 PM
Ummm, no, you are wrong. Virtually all nuclear weapons today are two-stage fusion devices. The first stage is a uranium-based implosion fission reaction used to generate x-rays to trigger the second stage - the fusion of lithium-deuteride. As part of the second-stage, additional uranium is also fissioned to create additional yield. What has not been created yet is a controllable fusion reaction for the purposes of generating usable energy. This has been an elusive goal that may very well take many additional decades to reach.
Well said!😎

MorTech
05-11-2022, 12:42 AM
Post Nuke Greens... I weep for the future!

Did you ever see "Planet of the Apes"? The apes are smarter than the greens.

MorTech
05-11-2022, 12:50 AM
btw
nuclear fusion does not yet exist

Conventional charge -> Fission (Uranium/Plutonium) -> Fusion (Tritium). The warhead is about the size of a small refrigerator.

Most are probably of the 50kt range since any more is literally overkill.

MorTech
05-11-2022, 12:53 AM
Just one nuke going off in a cornfield in Kansas would probably scare half the population to death and the remainders would be rushing to Walmart for toilet paper and triple-stacked paper face diapers.

What is really worrisome is that a nuke is really easy to make.

biker1
05-11-2022, 05:59 AM
Tactical nukes might be that low in yield but strategic US nukes on Minutemen and D-5 missiles are much larger. The largest I believe is about 450 kilotons. Our largest warhead is over 1 megaton but is a gravity bomb, IIRC.

Conventional charge -> Fission (Uranium/Plutonium) -> Fusion (Tritium). The warhead is about the size of a small refrigerator.

Most are probably of the 50kt range since any more is literally overkill.

Davidgroupx
05-11-2022, 10:27 AM
Who said so?

Worldseries27
05-11-2022, 05:21 PM
I don't understand why people refuse to understand that radiation poisoning will doom the planet. Will some survive, sure, lucky them

ML Smith
05-11-2022, 06:52 PM
OMG what a horrible topic.

Worldseries27
05-11-2022, 08:40 PM
omg what a horrible topic.
you are 100% correct yet this is the monster haunting the planet since 1945

MorTech
05-12-2022, 03:49 AM
You’re thinking of a sustained fusion reaction. As in a Fusion Reactor.
Thermonuclear Weapons create a nearly instantaneous fusion reaction resulting in a fusion reactive explosion. Fission reactions are nuclear. Thermonuclear reactions are fusion.
thermonuclear bomb | History, Principle, Diagram, Yield, Effects, & Facts | Britannica (https://www.britannica.com/technology/thermonuclear-bomb#:~:text=thermonuclear%20bomb%2C%20also%20call ed%20hydrogen,process%20known%20as%20nuclear%20fus ion).

Are you Military/CIA/Following ITER ? :)

Harnessing the power of the atom - E=MC^2 - cannot be uninvented so MAD is the only way. If you don't make light of the situation you will just cry.

doctorknow
05-13-2022, 11:53 AM
What are the nearest likely targets to the Villages?

Who ever uses nukes isn't going to waste them on Disney. They are expensive and strategic. The most likely targets are Patrick AFB, McDill AFB the Naval base in Jacksonville and Pensacola as the primary targets. Then if secondary attack occurs perhaps the seaports of Jacksonville proper, Miami, Tampa and of course our capital Tallahassee

MorTech
05-14-2022, 12:34 AM
Whoever nukes america will want to have Florida as a vacation destination so, luckily, they will only use dirty cobalt or neutron bombs.

Must-have for your nuke tool;kit...For fun, take it up in an airplane and listen to it scream at 40,000 feet:

https://www.amazon.com/Professional-Radiation-Radioactive-Precision-Electromagnetic/dp/B09TPNQZD1/ref=sr_1_21?crid=2V347E4E2TPAZ&keywords=geiger+counter&qid=1652506174&sprefix=geiger+cou%2Caps%2C95&sr=8-21