2022 is colder than average.

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The last 4 months have been colder than average -- and May is looking to be the same. Find out why and other amazing climate news in the new "Climate Change Calamity" talk this Friday (the 13th) at 4 PM at the Lake Miona Center's Philosophy Club meeting.

[Topspinmo]

It’s climate change. The climate is always changing so you can’t win arguments saying climate is not changing.

[MartinSE]

It's called climate change for a reason.

[Calisport]

Cancelling my discover magazine because every article mentions "CLIMATE CHANGE"

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From NOAA:

"The January–March global surface temperature was 0.88°C (1.58°F) above average — the fifth-highest January–March temperature in the 143-year record. The five warmest January–March periods have occurred since 2016. According to NCEI's statistical analysis, the year 2022 is very likely to rank among the ten warmest years on record and has a 39.9% chance to rank among the five warmest years on record."

So your statement that things have been cooler, no colder, than average is simply a lie. There may be isolated areas with local variations, but the global trend continues upward.

[Two Bills]

Don't know about temperatures, but April was the driest month I can remember.
No showers at all in our area of UK. Cold winds but lots of sunshine.
Warming up now, with odd showers of rain.
All our Dahlias survived winter in ground, and veg garden looking great.
Thank you Global Warming!

[MorTech]

The mass psychosis box - aka, television - is pushing the term "Climate Change" to program their NPC chihuahuas. Just search "solar cycle 25" for earth science view. We are in a 13 year solar minimum in a 300 year warming cycle. The earth is getting greener from higher atmospherics CO2 and H2O over the last 300 years. Maybe Greenland will become green again and dinosaurs will come back. I would love a brontosaurus burger.

[MorTech]

Looks like Siberia is going to have a bumper crop this year.

[Two Bills]

Looks like Siberia is going to have a bumper crop this year.

More the worry for world food supply, Ukraine isn't!

[ThirdOfFive]

The mass psychosis box - aka, television - is pushing the term "Climate Change" to program their NPC chihuahuas. Just search "solar cycle 25" for earth science view. We are in a 13 year solar minimum in a 300 year warming cycle. The earth is getting greener from higher atmospherics CO2 and H2O over the last 300 years. Maybe Greenland will become green again and dinosaurs will come back. I would love a brontosaurus burger.
Yep.

"If it bleeds, it leads". And nothing sells papers, gathers clicks and amasses hits than a good panic. We've learned that in the past few years, if we've learned nothing else.

[Stu from NYC]

In a few hundred years we should know more about this cycle

[Bay Kid]

Keep the jet set on the ground. They can spread their lies without flying all over the world. It is all about the money.

[Ski Bum]

Just read the chart. It says, "with respect to the 1991-2020 base period." That's just 30 years of data. Not too hard to be one of the 10 warmest years in 30. It's junk, not science. Climate change is, of course, real. But this kind of propaganda doesn't help convince folks.

[MrFlorida]

Nothing stays the same, everything changes.... even climates.

[biker1]

Unfortunately, this is a topic that is filled with much misinformation. Most people ask the wrong questions and the activists appear to be incapable of objectively looking at the numbers and instead consider the worst case scenario to be the most likely scenario. Is the climate warming? Of course it is, we are in an interglacial period and the climate has been warming for the last 12,000 years, and will continue to warm until we enter the next ice age. Is there an anthropogenic component to the warming? Of course there is because we know that there is a radiative transfer response to increases in CO2. How much of the current warming is anthropogenic? Perhaps 0.5C? We don't know for sure. Are we looking at catastrophic outcomes in the future? Probably not, but we don't really know. The dire predictions are based on climate models which, in my opinion, are still a research tool and have not been all that accurate with retrospective integrations. In addition, I believe there is a tendency to focus on the most extreme possibilities instead of the most likely possibility. Should we try to decrease CO2 emissions? Probably but in reality our best solutions will be adaptation as CO2 emissions are only going to go up for the next several decades. Regardless of the level of the anthropogenic warming, we will continue to warm because we are in an interglacial period. Should you try to decrease your carbon footprint? Sure, if it makes you happy but don't think that your individual actions will have an impact.

Full disclosure: undergraduate and graduate degrees in meteorology, retired research meteorologist and developer of atmospheric models for NASA and the National Weather Service.

Just read the chart. It says, "with respect to the 1991-2020 base period." That's just 30 years of data. Not too hard to be one of the 10 warmest years in 30. It's junk, not science. Climate change is, of course, real. But this kind of propaganda doesn't help convince folks.

[kkingston57]

Just read the chart. It says, "with respect to the 1991-2020 base period." That's just 30 years of data. Not too hard to be one of the 10 warmest years in 30. It's junk, not science. Climate change is, of course, real. But this kind of propaganda doesn't help convince folks.

Noted your call name. 71 degrees in Vail Colorado yesterday. Realize that this is a short term abnormality. Have been skiing for 40 years and can not recall last time we had unbearable cold weather.

[blueash]

Just read the chart. It says, "with respect to the 1991-2020 base period." That's just 30 years of data. Not too hard to be one of the 10 warmest years in 30. It's junk, not science. Climate change is, of course, real. But this kind of propaganda doesn't help convince folks.

Well Bum, maybe it is you who needs work on reading comprehension. Read the chart, yes which compares 2022 temps to a baseline of 1991-2020, which is scary as warming had already begun. But while you are criticizing my accurate post, read the words which clearly stated that 2022 is going to be in the top 10 or even top 5 all ALL YEARS IN the 143 YEAR RECORD.

So the posting of the OP that this is a cold year is wrong. Totally wrong. It is not propaganda it is real temperature data. It is your errant conclusion that is the junk.

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Looking at the map, you'll see more Blue than Red -- the US was cooler than average Jan-Mar ... and the same is true for April. Those "government" global numbers mentioned are "adjusted" data, not the actual thermometer data. Agencies have been lowering past temperatures and increasing recent temperatures to enhance global warming trends. You can find numerous examples of this process in peer-reviewed literature. Also look into John Bates.

[Topspinmo]

I wonder if this guy theory’s are right? If so , there NOTHING humans can do to control climate.

Link between Milankovitch's theory of orbital forcing and ice ages remains an open question >> Environment Counts (https://environmentcounts.org/link-milankovitchs-theory-orbital-forcing-ice-ages-remains-open-question/)

The Ice Ages | ECO 99 International (https://www.eco99international.com/book/book-03-environment/some-ecological-notes-environment/ice-ages)

[Topspinmo]

Well Bum, maybe it is you who needs work on reading comprehension. Read the chart, yes which compares 2022 temps to a baseline of 1991-2020, which is scary as warming had already begun. But while you are criticizing my accurate post, read the words which clearly stated that 2022 is going to be in the top 10 or even top 5 all ALL YEARS IN the 143 YEAR RECORD.

So the posting of the OP that this is a cold year is wrong. Totally wrong. It is not propaganda it is real temperature data. It is your errant conclusion that is the junk.

143 years of records is millisecond in 100,000 hours clock.

[Woodbear]

Scaring people sells. Man-made climate change is a hoax. Our current interglacial period has yet to reach anywhere close to the levels of two of the last 4 interglacial periods. This was all before us dirty humans would have impacted such change. Being that our planet has spent more time in a glacial period I would sure hate to be alive during those times. Good luck with those batteries when temps average 20 degrees F.

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Milankovitch answers many questions -- but not all. It's not that simple. An excellent discussion (a set of 10 essays) by Javier can be found on Judith Curry's "Climate Etc" website.

[mtdjed]

Back to the OPs observation of Cooler Temperatures for last three or 4 months. I personally have noticed it. Not saying it is a climate change or Glacier on the horizon, but it has been pleasant. Have not seen any Dinosaurs or Polar Bears invading the area. No urgent need to upgrade the furnace or AC.

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I moved to Florida to get a head start on the next Ice Age glaciation. Once those glaciers start moving south again, land and housing prices here will skyrocket. Of course, as that happens, Florida will actually grow in size, because the oceans will drop about 400 feet, just they have done during the past glaciation cycles

[Keefelane66]

“Science is my most favorite subject, especially the Old Testament“

[Topspinmo]

Milankovitch answers many questions -- but not all. It's not that simple. An excellent discussion (a set of 10 essays) by Javier can be found on Judith Curry's "Climate Etc" website.


Still just theory’s.

[Topspinmo]

I moved to Florida to get a head start on the next Ice Age glaciation. Once those glaciers start moving south again, land and housing prices here will skyrocket. Of course, as that happens, Florida will actually grow in size, because the oceans will drop about 400 feet, just they have done during the past glaciation cycles

Plan on living hundred thousand years plus?

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I'm thinking of the grandkids ...

[Keefelane66]

And the Texas power grid is failing already temperature in the 90’s and Texans are being asked to conserve energy as 6 power station are off line due to demand. Not for heat but A/C and it's only May.

[Topspinmo]

And the Texas power grid is failing already temperature in the 90’s and Texans are being asked to conserve energy as 6 power station are off line due to demand. Not for heat but A/C and it's only May.

I lived in Texas for 6 years in 70’s, by May it’s pretty much 90’s everyday. In June 1980 it never got below 80 at night and over 100 every day for as I remember the whole month. That was before Dallas, Houston, Austin, ft. Worth and SA had population explosions. Use see farmland between Dallas, Ft. Worth, and Denton Texas. Now you can’t see where one city begins and another one starts. Now where do you think all those people moved from? Yep, same as Florida.

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There is a new Temperature tool available, which lets you interrogate any US temperature station from the 1,218 official NOAA climatology stations. Here is the link for the 1970 Max Temps for San Antonio ... Graphing (http://realclimatetools.com/apps/graphing/index.html?offset_x=0.2369734531818862&offset_y=0.03508771929824561&scale_x=7.968339582053965&scale_y=1&state=TX&id=USW00012921&month=0&day=0) Remember that the the late 1970s was the time of our recent little ice age scare, when it snowed in Miami in 1977. You can even see that cold dip in the San Antonio graph, but just clicking on the "Reset Zoom" at the top.

[Topspinmo]

There is a new Temperature tool available, which lets you interrogate any US temperature station from the 1,218 official NOAA climatology stations. Here is the link for the 1970 Max Temps for San Antonio ... Graphing (http://realclimatetools.com/apps/graphing/index.html?offset_x=0.2369734531818862&offset_y=0.03508771929824561&scale_x=7.968339582053965&scale_y=1&state=TX&id=USW00012921&month=0&day=0) Remember that the the late 1970s was the time of our recent little ice age scare, when it snowed in Miami in 1977. You can even see that cold dip in the San Antonio graph, but just clicking on the "Reset Zoom" at the top.

In 75 or 76 it snowed 18 inch in ft worth in March if I remember correctly, It was gone in less 4 days.