“”free golf” ain’t so free

[Villages Kahuna]

After paying the required Amenity Fee, add the Trail Fees of about $144 a year and the free golf ain’t so free. If you play two rounds every weekend the “free golf” costs you almost $24 per round on the Executive courses.

[dewilson58]

The Alzheimer's Association 24/7 Helpline (800.272. 3900) is available around the clock, 365 days a year. Through this free service, specialists and master's-level clinicians offer confidential support and information to people living with dementia, caregivers, families and the public.

[bagboy]

The Alzheimer's Association 24/7 Helpline (800.272. 3900) is available around the clock, 365 days a year. Through this free service, specialists and master's-level clinicians offer confidential support and information to people living with dementia, caregivers, families and the public.

True that!!

[JSR22]

[QUOTE=Villages Kahuna;2096283]After paying the required Amenity Fee, add the Trail Fees of about $144 a year and the free golf ain’t so free. If you play two rounds every weekend the “free golf” costs you almost $24 per round on the Executive courses.[/QUO

The amenity fee covers a lot more than the exec courses. Pools, rec centers, pickleball and tennis courts are examples. You are not required to pay the trail fee. Walk it is healthier

[TrapX]

After paying the required Amenity Fee, add the Trail Fees of about $144 a year and the free golf ain’t so free. If you play two rounds every weekend the “free golf” costs you almost $24 per round on the Executive courses.
That math sounds wrong.
$24 per round x 2 rounds/week x 52 weeks = $2500 per year

Perhaps this is better??

$144 per year divided by 52 weeks = $2.7692 per week

$2.7692 per week divided by 2x playing per week = $1.385 per round

[vintageogauge]

The golf is free if you walk, if you choose to use a golf car you pay the trail fees but the golf is still free.

[charlieo1126@gmail.com]

I’ve had 6 homes here ,I don’t golf , haven’t been in a pool here for at least 10 years , and only been in the rec centers to vote and some shows at Savannah, but mostly go to the Sharon , so I pay for all that stuff and don’t use any of it and I don’t complain . I live here because it’s a well run , very clean community with great biking and walking trails , a great developer and lots of restaurants , stores , a good doctor and fun at the squares

[Gpsma]

We need to call the esteemed developer about this.

He made the Villages to cater to complaining golfers...and they need to be served.

[alwann]

The golf is free if you walk, if you choose to use a golf car you pay the trail fees but the golf is still free.


You'd better have good health insurance. Walking many of the execs., especially in the summer, is an invitation for a heart attack or heat stroke. The execs are not routed with older golfer in mind. Walk the championship courses? Maybe if you're a tri-athlete. I wonder if this was poor course design or marketing strategy.

[vintageogauge]

You'd better have good health insurance. Walking many of the execs., especially in the summer, is an invitation for a heart attack or heat stroke. The execs are not routed with older golfer in mind. Walk the championship courses? Maybe if you're a tri-athlete. I wonder if this was poor course design or marketing strategy.

You want free golf you walk. If you don't want to walk don't complain about the trail fees as it's your choice.

[dsgreen3]

The Villages Kahuna's math is correct using an amenity fee of $172 a month, and a monthly fee of $12 (144 divided by 12).

[JSR22]

The Villages Kahuna's math is correct using an amenity fee of $172 a month, and a monthly fee of $12 (144 divided by 12).
The amenity fee covers a lot more then maintaining the exec courses. Think pools, rec centers, pickleball and tennis courts, softball complexes and more.

[ThirdOfFive]

[QUOTE=Villages Kahuna;2096283]After paying the required Amenity Fee, add the Trail Fees of about $144 a year and the free golf ain’t so free. If you play two rounds every weekend the “free golf” costs you almost $24 per round on the Executive courses.[/QUO

The amenity fee covers a lot more than the exec courses. Pools, rec centers, pickleball and tennis courts are examples. You are not required to pay the trail fee. Walk it is healthier
We always walk. push carts are two bucks apiece if you rent them at the executive course shack, or you can buy your own and eventually save money that way too. Some people forgo a push cart and just carry their (slimmed-down) bags.

We moved here for many reasons but the executive golf course opportunities was one of the major ones.

[Rainger99]

That math sounds wrong.
$24 per round x 2 rounds/week x 52 weeks = $2500 per year

Perhaps this is better??

$144 per year divided by 52 weeks = $2.7692 per week

$2.7692 per week divided by 2x playing per week = $1.385 per round


If you pay $164 a month for the amenities and you pay $12 a month for the trail fee, you are paying $176 a month. If you play 8 times a month, you would be paying $22 a round for golf. However, the amenity fee pays for more than golf so assume that 50% is for golf and the rest of it is goes to everything else - pools, rec centers, landscaping, walking trails, golf cart trails, you would be paying $11 a round. However, if you play more than twice a week, the cost per round goes down.

[thevillages2013]

The Alzheimer's Association 24/7 Helpline (800.272. 3900) is available around the clock, 365 days a year. Through this free service, specialists and master's-level clinicians offer confidential support and information to people living with dementia, caregivers, families and the public.

I’m thinking I might need the suicide hotline number after reading all this BS

[mtdjed]

After paying the required Amenity Fee, add the Trail Fees of about $144 a year and the free golf ain’t so free. If you play two rounds every weekend the “free golf” costs you almost $24 per round on the Executive courses.

You forgot to add the cost of your Home, Taxes, Insurance, etc. The free golf is a lot cheaper after deduct all these expenses on your income tax.

[jchase]

Move

[Garywt]

After paying the required Amenity Fee, add the Trail Fees of about $144 a year and the free golf ain’t so free. If you play two rounds every weekend the “free golf” costs you almost $24 per round on the Executive courses.

Free golf if you walk. As for the amenities fee, golf is just one part of that, so many don’t play golf so you can’t put a price on a round of golf. You have to pay that to live here not to golf here.

[Topspinmo]

After paying the required Amenity Fee, add the Trail Fees of about $144 a year and the free golf ain’t so free. If you play two rounds every weekend the “free golf” costs you almost $24 per round on the Executive courses.

Nothing really free…everything has price..

[mamamia54]

[QUOTE=JSR22;2096292]
We always walk. push carts are two bucks apiece if you rent them at the executive course shack, or you can buy your own and eventually save money that way too. Some people forgo a push cart and just carry their (slimmed-down) bags.

We moved here for many reasons but the executive golf course opportunities was one of the major ones.

I have a push cart for sale!

[tsmall22204]

Some people just can't add or subtract.

[garrykolb]

After paying the required Amenity Fee, add the Trail Fees of about $144 a year and the free golf ain’t so free. If you play two rounds every weekend the “free golf” costs you almost $24 per round on the Executive courses.

But, given that you are attributing 100% of your amenity fee to golf, then your water volleyball and other use of the rec centers, town squares, and such are 100% free, so you're making a choice on what you use for free and where you're applying your costs.

And, the simple solution to lower your per-round fee is simply to play more golf. :-)

[ithos]

The amenity fee is relatively cheap compared to comparable retirement communities. I rarely use any of the rec facilities and never golf.

Despite that I think of it as a great deal since it is great for property values and is a major reason why The Villages is considered the number one retirement community in the country.

[CCristella]

You have 2 options
Don’t play golf or Move

[Luggage]

You paid $300-500k for a house and you complain about a few bucks? Stop playing so much .

[golfing eagles]

You have 2 options
Don’t play golf or Move

How about the third option that most Villagers take: Pay the amenity and trail fees and enjoy your golf.

Now for some remedial math:

Cost of maintaining a golf course, according to the CSGA, varies from $80,000 to close to $ 2 million/year depending on location and the course. The average is $500,000/year for a full 18 hole championship course in very good condition, or $250,000 for a 9 hole course. Our 9 hole exec courses are less than 1/2 of the length of nine holes on those courses, but the most expensive parts of a course to maintain are bunkers and greens, so let's go high and say it costs $200,000/ year to maintain each of our execs. So, 44 execs x $200,000/year = $8.8 million/year.

On the income side-----approx. 65,000 homes in TV paying about $170/MONTH amenity fees: 65,000 x 170 x 12 = $ 132.6 million/year. 8.8/132.6 = 6.6% of the amenity fee going to golf (far from 100%). We can debate these numbers a little, but they are certainly well in the ballpark, so I doubt more than 10% of the amenity fee goes for exec golf.

So.....$170/month x 6.6% = $11.22/month or $134.64/year, then add $144 trail fee (if using cart) for $278.86/year divided by 104 rounds = $2.68/round , or only $1.29/round if walking and playing twice a week-----this is the real cost of "free" golf, far from $24/round. Play 4x/ week and those costs go to $1.34 and $0.65 respectively.

(mike drop):1rotfl::1rotfl::1rotfl:

[Mrmean58]

You'd better have good health insurance. Walking many of the execs., especially in the summer, is an invitation for a heart attack or heat stroke. The execs are not routed with older golfer in mind. Walk the championship courses? Maybe if you're a tri-athlete. I wonder if this was poor course design or marketing strategy.
I walk many of the exec courses with a pull cart monthly. Easy walk in the parks. Your concerns MAYBE valid if someone decides to carry their bag in mid afternoon heat but those folks probably shouldn't be out in the heat anyway.
I think the OPs math is a bit off. Based on his calcs, his amenity fee is in excess of $200 per month. Mine are still quite a bit south of that number monthly.

[bowlingal]

and don't forget about salaries to be paid to the workers of the rec centers, starter shacks, and district offices

[biker1]

Don't quote me on this but I believe I recall that about 40% of the amenity fee goes to paying off the amenities bought from The Developer. I have seen the budget but I don't recall exactly where.

How about the third option that most Villagers take: Pay the amenity and trail fees and enjoy your golf.

Now for some remedial math:

Cost of maintaining a golf course, according to the CSGA, varies from $80,000 to close to $ 2 million/year depending on location and the course. The average is $500,000/year for a full 18 hole championship course in very good condition, or $250,000 for a 9 hole course. Our 9 hole exec courses are less than 1/2 of the length of nine holes on those courses, but the most expensive parts of a course to maintain are bunkers and greens, so let's go high and say it costs $200,000/ year to maintain each of our execs. So, 44 execs x $200,000/year = $8.8 million/year.

On the income side-----approx. 65,000 homes in TV paying about $170/MONTH amenity fees: 65,000 x 170 x 12 = $ 132.6 million/year. 8.8/132.6 = 6.6% of the amenity fee going to golf (far from 100%). We can debate these numbers a little, but they are certainly well in the ballpark, so I doubt more than 10% of the amenity fee goes for exec golf.

So.....$170/month x 6.6% = $11.22/month or $134.64/year, then add $144 trail fee (if using cart) for $278.86/year divided by 104 rounds = $2.68/round , or only $1.29/round if walking and playing twice a week-----this is the real cost of "free" golf, far from $24/round. Play 4x/ week and those costs go to $1.34 and $0.65 respectively.

(mike drop):1rotfl::1rotfl::1rotfl:

[Dotneko]

After paying the required Amenity Fee, add the Trail Fees of about $144 a year and the free golf ain’t so free. If you play two rounds every weekend the “free golf” costs you almost $24 per round on the Executive courses.

By your logic, those of us who never pick up a club are saving the $144 a year, but paying $175 a month to look at all the grass and flags. Oh, wait, there are pools, flowers, trash pickup, rec centers, community watch........

[noslices1]

You'd better have good health insurance. Walking many of the execs., especially in the summer, is an invitation for a heart attack or heat stroke. The execs are not routed with older golfer in mind. Walk the championship courses? Maybe if you're a tri-athlete. I wonder if this was poor course design or marketing strategy.

I’m 79, not in the best of health, but walk the execs in the Fall, Winter & Spring, even though I pay my trail fees. I haven’t seen anyone walk the championship courses, but many are laid out through neighborhoods to have as many “golf view” expensive lots available and sometimes there’s a very long walk from green to the next tee. Good planning by the developer.

[DrBrutyle109]

After paying the required Amenity Fee, add the Trail Fees of about $144 a year and the free golf ain’t so free. If you play two rounds every weekend the “free golf” costs you almost $24 per round on the Executive courses.
You must have forgotten about:
The pools
The rec centers
Pickle ball and tennis courts
The upkeep of the squares and when your driving on the cart paths or roads…..do you think the flowers are donated to the villages each time they are replaced?

[hrenner]

The Villages Kahuna's math is correct using an amenity fee of $172 a month, and a monthly fee of $12 (144 divided by 12).
If you extrapolate, if you play once a year, the cost is $144 + 170x12 which equals over $2000 for that one round :)

[christine J Toft]

How about the third option that most Villagers take: Pay the amenity and trail fees and enjoy your golf.

Now for some remedial math:

Cost of maintaining a golf course, according to the CSGA, varies from $80,000 to close to $ 2 million/year depending on location and the course. The average is $500,000/year for a full 18 hole championship course in very good condition, or $250,000 for a 9 hole course. Our 9 hole exec courses are less than 1/2 of the length of nine holes on those courses, but the most expensive parts of a course to maintain are bunkers and greens, so let's go high and say it costs $200,000/ year to maintain each of our execs. So, 44 execs x $200,000/year = $8.8 million/year.

On the income side-----approx. 65,000 homes in TV paying about $170/MONTH amenity fees: 65,000 x 170 x 12 = $ 132.6 million/year. 8.8/132.6 = 6.6% of the amenity fee going to golf (far from 100%). We can debate these numbers a little, but they are certainly well in the ballpark, so I doubt more than 10% of the amenity fee goes for exec golf.

So.....$170/month x 6.6% = $11.22/month or $134.64/year, then add $144 trail fee (if using cart) for $278.86/year divided by 104 rounds = $2.68/round , or only $1.29/round if walking and playing twice a week-----this is the real cost of "free" golf, far from $24/round. Play 4x/ week and those costs go to $1.34 and $0.65 respectively.

(mike drop):1rotfl::1rotfl::1rotfl:
Thank you. Maybe a class in the Enrichment Academy is needed for some. I'm amused by all of the "new math" that's been displayed.

[ldovermiller]

Why do we pay a trail fee when the residents own the exec courses? Where does the trail fee really go or should I say "whose pocket".

[NoMo50]

For all the whiners: I am still waiting to meet the person whose sales agent held a gun to their head while signing their closing documents. If you walk around with a Virginia ham under each arm, would you complain that you have no bread?

[Two Bills]

I am an expert on posting crap, but this thread is a master class!:ho:

[jbrown132]

You'd better have good health insurance. Walking many of the execs., especially in the summer, is an invitation for a heart attack or heat stroke. The execs are not routed with older golfer in mind. Walk the championship courses? Maybe if you're a tri-athlete. I wonder if this was poor course design or marketing strategy.
I think it was well thought out. It is all about pace of play. If they had even 20% of the people walking it would mean x% of tee times they would loose. On the championship courses that means revenue. So yes they want people riding.

[WingedFoot78]

What's the phone number for Mensa?

[GeriS]

After paying the required Amenity Fee, add the Trail Fees of about $144 a year and the free golf ain’t so free. If you play two rounds every weekend the “free golf” costs you almost $24 per round on the Executive courses.

Are you using Common Core math???

[Vikingjunior]

That's why I play golf every day. I get my money's worth.

[Rsenholzi]

You forgot to add in the fee to get a tee time every month .

[Dlbonivich]

I never understand all of the complaining on here about the cost of everything. When you were moving here I would assume a developer sales agent or an MLS agent explained the fee structure to you. You made an informed decision because you liked what you heard and saw. Why are you complaining now. Enjoy what you have and live the rest of your life happy. Complaining and thinking about all of this, just wastes what time we all have left.

[Larchap49]

After paying the required Amenity Fee, add the Trail Fees of about $144 a year and the free golf ain’t so free. If you play two rounds every weekend the “free golf” costs you almost $24 per round on the Executive courses.

The error of your thinking is that you pay the Amenity fee whether you play golf or sit at home in your recliner, also it covers many other amenities. Nice try at stirring the pot but on this one you missed the mark.

[Jodymouse123]

The amenity fees compared to hmo fees charged at most condos and other facility’s such as top of the World is super cheap. Am enjoying the life in The Villages’s

[Juliebythesea]

You should probably move🤔🤔



After paying the required Amenity Fee, add the Trail Fees of about $144 a year and the free golf ain’t so free. If you play two rounds every weekend the “free golf” costs you almost $24 per round on the Executive courses.

[Larchap49]

How about the third option that most Villagers take: Pay the amenity and trail fees and enjoy your golf.

Now for some remedial math:

Cost of maintaining a golf course, according to the CSGA, varies from $80,000 to close to $ 2 million/year depending on location and the course. The average is $500,000/year for a full 18 hole championship course in very good condition, or $250,000 for a 9 hole course. Our 9 hole exec courses are less than 1/2 of the length of nine holes on those courses, but the most expensive parts of a course to maintain are bunkers and greens, so let's go high and say it costs $200,000/ year to maintain each of our execs. So, 44 execs x $200,000/year = $8.8 million/year.

On the income side-----approx. 65,000 homes in TV paying about $170/MONTH amenity fees: 65,000 x 170 x 12 = $ 132.6 million/year. 8.8/132.6 = 6.6% of the amenity fee going to golf (far from 100%). We can debate these numbers a little, but they are certainly well in the ballpark, so I doubt more than 10% of the amenity fee goes for exec golf.

So.....$170/month x 6.6% = $11.22/month or $134.64/year, then add $144 trail fee (if using cart) for $278.86/year divided by 104 rounds = $2.68/round , or only $1.29/round if walking and playing twice a week-----this is the real cost of "free" golf, far from $24/round. Play 4x/ week and those costs go to $1.34 and $0.65 respectively.

(mike drop):1rotfl::1rotfl::1rotfl:

Finally an answer that makes sense. Oh by the way OP you forgot to add the costs of your golf cart into your calculations because I'm sure you never use it for anything else

[merrymini]

Everything should be FREE!

[Mushkie]

Why do we pay a trail fee when the residents own the exec courses? Where does the trail fee really go or should I say "whose pocket".

Um, where it goes is “hidden” in the name of the few- TRAIL FEE - if people want the fun and ease of using a golf cart- they need to pay for the upkeep of the trail.

Like I said in a previous post- I now know there are people in Heaven complaining that the clouds are too fluffy and the pearly gates “ain’t what they expected”.

[MSGirl]

After paying the required Amenity Fee, add the Trail Fees of about $144 a year and the free golf ain’t so free. If you play two rounds every weekend the “free golf” costs you almost $24 per round on the Executive courses.
The amenity fee isn’t only for golf! Where do you golf and DONT pay a trail fee? “Back home” we paid $500 a month to golf at our club with a $25000 initiation fee

[Dr Winston O Boogie jr]

Like most every other thing that is advertised as “free” exec golf in The Villages is included in the price. Many companies advertise “free” shipping or delivery. Where do you think they get the money to pay for that? As someone pointed out, only a portion of the amenity fee goes towards golf. I don’t’ know what that percentage is but you can’t use the apply the entire $150 a month to only golf.

[PurePeach]

You'd better have good health insurance. Walking many of the execs., especially in the summer, is an invitation for a heart attack or heat stroke. The execs are not routed with older golfer in mind. Walk the championship courses? Maybe if you're a tri-athlete. I wonder if this was poor course design or marketing strategy.

My husband is almost 87 years old, plays execs about twice a week, and uses a pull cart. Eighteen months ago when we stilled lived in ATL, he played 18 holes 3 times a week and walked every one of them. It’s all about how you care for yourself. :icon_wink: :)

[OrangeBlossomBaby]

After paying the required Amenity Fee, add the Trail Fees of about $144 a year and the free golf ain’t so free. If you play two rounds every weekend the “free golf” costs you almost $24 per round on the Executive courses.

They're 9-hole courses. If you walk the trails you pay 0 in trail fees.

[Oldragbagger]

We don’t play golf at all but feel the amenities fee is money well spent for all The Villages has to offer. We ride our bikes daily and never fail to feel thankful that we have miles and miles of safe paths to ride on. We attend a “free” yoga class every week. I used to pay some hefty fees for yoga. How about jumping into your cart on a boring evening and having some fun entertainment, for “free.” A nice day by the pool, a pool I don’t have to maintain. And all of the maintenance that goes into keeping TV so beautiful so that our property values are protected.
Before coming here we lived in a planned community in Venice, FL. We had one pool, a fitness center and a clubhouse. One. An “event” usually consisted of people getting together in the clubhouse parking lot with a food truck. No golf course. Our HOA was $359 a month. We felt lucky. We had neighbors in other communities that were paying upward of $500 a month and didn’t have much more.
We live like “rich folks” here, and we are far from rich. I never in a million years thought we would have such an amazing life in retirement. So glad to have found TV.

[Slade]

Must be the "New Math"...

[tophcfa]

In the business world the amenity fee would be called a sunk cost, which is a cost that is incurred regardless of use. Some leverage the cost (get extensive use from the diversified portfolio of available amenities) and others get little to no use. Part time residents typically get extensive use of the sunk cost for certain periods and zero use the rest of the time. Nobody should complain about the amenity fee, everyone should have been aware of it before buying and the fee is incredibly low for the vast amount available amenities. I would challenge anyone to find another retirement community that offers more or better amenities for the same or cheaper cost.

[Slade]

Everything should be FREE!
I hear that it IS... in California.

[biker1]

The executive courses are owned by the CDDs, with the exception of the newer courses that may have not yet been turned over to the CDDs.


Why do we pay a trail fee when the residents own the exec courses? Where does the trail fee really go or should I say "whose pocket".

[ccrider]

Amen to TheVillages2013. Sounds about 100% correct!!! lol

[phousel]

After paying the required Amenity Fee, add the Trail Fees of about $144 a year and the free golf ain’t so free. If you play two rounds every weekend the “free golf” costs you almost $24 per round on the Executive courses.

More like $2.75 per round with trail pass.

[Ken D.]

You forgot to add the cost of your Home, Taxes, Insurance, etc. The free golf is a lot cheaper after deduct all these expenses on your income tax.
Given today’s standard deduction, I doubt many itemize their taxes, interest, etc.

[Villages Kahuna]

That is correct. If you choose to walk in the hot Florida temps.

[Will63]

Huh? The amenities fee covers pools and rec centers as well as executive courses. If you ever owned a pool you know the cost to keep and maintain is very costly. And the rec centers are fantastic. Nonsensical post unless you never use any other amenities except the golf. If that's the case, you should play more golf!

[Rainger99]

We attend a “free” yoga class every week.

A friend of mine goes to yoga classes - she pays $150 a month just for yoga!

[Sherry8bal]

Hey, you can always walk and then there is no cost to you and then golf is actually FREE!!!

[SUENRAN]

Don't want to part with $4 a round? Solution then quit golfing and stay home counting your dollar bills.

[Bilyclub]

Why do we pay a trail fee when the residents own the exec courses? Where does the trail fee really go or should I say "whose pocket".

The District now has to pay the developer for the tee time reservation system, so most of the trail fee will cover that.

[Nick B]

For all the whiners: I am still waiting to meet the person whose sales agent held a gun to their head while signing their closing documents. If you walk around with a Virginia ham under each arm, would you complain that you have no bread?
I would Ham with no bread is useless to me.

[Jayhawk]

That is correct. If you choose to walk in the hot Florida temps.

Old Harold knew all about the hot summers here.

[kcrazorbackfan]

After paying the required Amenity Fee, add the Trail Fees of about $144 a year and the free golf ain’t so free. If you play two rounds every weekend the “free golf” costs you almost $24 per round on the Executive courses.

Executive Golf is free if you get a push cart and walk…..

[Stu from NYC]

A friend of mine goes to yoga classes - she pays $150 a month just for yoga!

Her choice. She also looks at rather nice landscaping so you might want to include that

[Marathon Man]

After paying the required Amenity Fee, add the Trail Fees of about $144 a year and the free golf ain’t so free. If you play two rounds every weekend the “free golf” costs you almost $24 per round on the Executive courses.

The best solution is to not play any golf at all. Zero round of golf. Since you can't divide by zero, the problem goes away.

[deputydoc]

After paying the required Amenity Fee, add the Trail Fees of about $144 a year and the free golf ain’t so free. If you play two rounds every weekend the “free golf” costs you almost $24 per round on the Executive courses.

There always has to be someone that comes on here with false information and tries to stir the pot. I just can’t figure why people insist on being pot stirrers😠

[dewilson58]

There always has to be someone that comes on here with false information and tries to stir the pot. I just can’t figure why people insist on being pot stirrers😠

Sad Life, they want to spread their sadness.

[golfing eagles]

There always has to be someone that comes on here with false information and tries to stir the pot. I just can’t figure why people insist on being pot stirrers😠

Welcome to TOTV:1rotfl::1rotfl::1rotfl:

[DaleDivine]

If you pay $164 a month for the amenities and you pay $12 a month for the trail fee, you are paying $176 a month. If you play 8 times a month, you would be paying $22 a round for golf. However, the amenity fee pays for more than golf so assume that 50% is for golf and the rest of it is goes to everything else - pools, rec centers, landscaping, walking trails, golf cart trails, you would be paying $11 a round. However, if you play more than twice a week, the cost per round goes down.

SOOOOO, in 2020 I played over 1200 rounds of golf on execs and championships, this would make me WAY AHEAD of the round costs...
Woooohoooo
:clap2::clap2:

[Brwne]

After paying the required Amenity Fee, add the Trail Fees of about $144 a year and the free golf ain’t so free. If you play two rounds every weekend the “free golf” costs you almost $24 per round on the Executive courses.

I moved here March, 2020 - the only activity available was golf. $120 bought be a slightly used Strata golf set and I started to play. Now averaging 5 Executive rounds a week, the cost of using my cart is 60¢ per round. Regarding the Amenity Fee, if one were to use every activity or facility available, the cost per activity would probably be even less. I wake up every morning, grateful for a pulse and for living here in paradise!

[Boomer]

The Alzheimer's Association 24/7 Helpline (800.272. 3900) is available around the clock, 365 days a year. Through this free service, specialists and master's-level clinicians offer confidential support and information to people living with dementia, caregivers, families and the public.


So you are disagreeing with someone about the cost of golf — that is your prerogative.

But to use a tragic disease as a tool of mockery is beyond thoughtless. The smug, cold, calculating allusion to the statement from the Alzheimer’s Association is an attempt to be funny, I guess. But not only is it obnoxious, it is cruel. Many here probably know someone who is saying, “The Long Goodbye.” There is nothing funny about it.

Then a bunch of posters line up underneath the post to say, “Thank you.” ???

A line has been crossed. That was not wit. That was completely out of bounds.

Boomer

[Bay Kid]

So you are disagreeing with someone about the cost of golf — that is your prerogative.

But to use a tragic disease as a tool of mockery is beyond thoughtless. The smug, cold, calculating allusion to the statement from the Alzheimer’s Association is an attempt to be funny, I guess. But not only is it obnoxious, it is cruel. Many here probably know someone who is saying, “The Long Goodbye.” There is nothing funny about it.

Then a bunch of posters line up underneath the post to say, “Thank you.” ???

A line has been crossed. That was not wit. That was completely out of bounds.

Boomer

After 15 years of suffering with this terrible disease Mom passed this year. Now I just have Dad and this terrible disease.

Nothing is free.

[Dirtracer49]

SOOOOO, in 2020 I played over 1200 rounds of golf on execs and championships, this would make me WAY AHEAD of the round costs...
Woooohoooo
:clap2::clap2:

That is really impressive. Average over 3 rounds per day, every day for a year!
Please share your secret to getting those tee times.

[DrBrutyle109]

You'd better have good health insurance. Walking many of the execs., especially in the summer, is an invitation for a heart attack or heat stroke. The execs are not routed with older golfer in mind. Walk the championship courses? Maybe if you're a tri-athlete. I wonder if this was poor course design or marketing strategy.
I have no problem walking. Gee, with your advice maybe I should start riding. Or I could stay in my house and be afraid of everything

[tvbound]

So you are disagreeing with someone about the cost of golf — that is your prerogative.

But to use a tragic disease as a tool of mockery is beyond thoughtless. The smug, cold, calculating allusion to the statement from the Alzheimer’s Association is an attempt to be funny, I guess. But not only is it obnoxious, it is cruel. Many here probably know someone who is saying, “The Long Goodbye.” There is nothing funny about it.

Then a bunch of posters line up underneath the post to say, “Thank you.” ???

A line has been crossed. That was not wit. That was completely out of bounds.

Boomer

Some people are accidentally cruel - while others do it on purpose. History knows the difference.

[photo1902]

So you are disagreeing with someone about the cost of golf — that is your prerogative.

But to use a tragic disease as a tool of mockery is beyond thoughtless. The smug, cold, calculating allusion to the statement from the Alzheimer’s Association is an attempt to be funny, I guess. But not only is it obnoxious, it is cruel. Many here probably know someone who is saying, “The Long Goodbye.” There is nothing funny about it.

Then a bunch of posters line up underneath the post to say, “Thank you.” ???

A line has been crossed. That was not wit. That was completely out of bounds.

Boomer

I couldn't agree more.

[yabbadu]

After paying the required Amenity Fee, add the Trail Fees of about $144 a year and the free golf ain’t so free. If you play two rounds every weekend the “free golf” costs you almost $24 per round on the Executive courses.

Go back to grade school for math studies!

[Two Bills]

That is really impressive. Average over 3 rounds per day, every day for a year!
Please share your secret to getting those tee times.

Wife and I played with a chap who played up to four times a day.
Play as a single, and the starters can fit you into groups not a foursome.

[MyTooR83]

All residents that pay taxes and fees have a right to complain. It is a nice place to live. However, nothing is free here. We pay for the Executive Courses in the amenity fees and now an added trail fee. They all add up to more money out of my pocket.

[Papa_lecki]

Wife and I played with a chap who played up to four times a day.
Play as a single, and the starters can fit you into groups not a foursome.

Easy to get on as a single. Many groups are not always divisible by 4.

[Bogie Shooter]

All residents that pay taxes and fees have a right to complain. It is a nice place to live. However, nothing is free here. We pay for the Executive Courses in the amenity fees and now an added trail fee. They all add up to more money out of my pocket.

Trail fee is not something new.

[tophcfa]

SOOOOO, in 2020 I played over 1200 rounds of golf on execs and championships, this would make me WAY AHEAD of the round costs...
Woooohoooo
:clap2::clap2:

Dam, that’s impressive, boarder line addictive.

[MSchad]

All residents that pay taxes and fees have a right to complain. It is a nice place to live. However, nothing is free here. We pay for the Executive Courses in the amenity fees and now an added trail fee. They all add up to more money out of my pocket.
Third post and you’ve already crossed over to the dark side.
You don’t have to pay the trail fee. Totally optional. You would be surprised at how many people walk and don’t pay the trail fee. Choice is yours, and walking is good for you.

[DaleDivine]

Easy to get on as a single. Many groups are not always divisible by 4.

Yep, I just put in reservation 3 days in advance and try to get courses close together.
Lots of times available for a single. Just have to be 2 hours and 1 minute apart.
Lots of days I played 5 or 6 rounds. One drizzling weekend I played 11 rounds on Saturday and 8 rounds on Sunday. Played Escambia in 26 minutes from tee to hole. Fastest round. Also had as many as 32 points for execs.
All rounds and times were documented by The Villages Tee Time system..
:clap2::clap2:

[jaygbailey]

Please explain how that is? Are you using the courses carts?

[Jayhawk]

All residents that pay taxes and fees have a right to complain. It is a nice place to live. However, nothing is free here. We pay for the Executive Courses in the amenity fees and now an added trail fee. They all add up to more money out of my pocket.

What is the change from when you first moved / bought here and apparently had no problem with it?

[OrangeBlossomBaby]

All residents that pay taxes and fees have a right to complain. It is a nice place to live. However, nothing is free here. We pay for the Executive Courses in the amenity fees and now an added trail fee. They all add up to more money out of my pocket.

Trail fees weren't included in the "free" executive golf amenity. That's always been extra. It's only free if you walk the course.

[Two Bills]

Easy to get on as a single. Many groups are not always divisible by 4.

I think that's what I said!
What divisible by four means:shrug:

[Papa_lecki]

I think that's what I said!
What divisible by four means:shrug:

If a group is made up of 11, that 2 foursome, plus a 3 some; where a single can jump in. I guess I should have said divisible by 4 with no remainder - BUT you knew what I meant.