Big Change Coming to Spanish Springs!

[Lottoguy]

Looks like you can kiss goodbye the Rialto Theater at Spanish Springs. The Villages will soon announce a big change for this area. Video is below.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HxLM0s-tfvY

[MartinSE]

No provenance on the "discussion", so can anyone provide more sources for what is "claimed".

[dewilson58]

Not going to believe until my hair dresser says so.

Rumors, Rumors, Rumors.

:faint:

[drcar]

Not going to believe until my hair dresser says so.

Rumors, Rumors, Rumors.

:faint:

Not Rumors!!!
My barber told ME!!:jester::jester:

[Stu from NYC]

The Rialto is not staying closed forever and would not be surprised if this does happen.

[drcar]

The Rialto is not staying closed forever and would not be surprised if this does happen.

I would NOT be surprised either.

[Two Bills]

If they can sort the parking out for all the proposed apartments, can't see the problem.
The Health Club seems a better idea for the old movie theater than a boarded up albatross.
Breathe new life into the square during the day.
The evenings will take care of themselves.

[OrangeBlossomBaby]

Looks like you can kiss goodbye the Rialto Theater at Spanish Springs. The Villages will soon announce a big change for this area. Video is below.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HxLM0s-tfvY

If it's true, I think it's a great idea. They have a dedicated parking lot in the back that can be gated off for residents only, they have a rear entrance into the building and a circular driveway back there, they could easily add some amenities (like a billiard room and community meeting room, card room, craft room etc) on the front of the second floor, which would mean noise reduction for everyone else in the building. The new gym in the theatre building is also a great idea, I've said so before.

If true, I'd applaud it. And once that's done, THEN they could maybe add some apartments to the Katie Belle building, but they'd need to section off reserved parking for residents in the back lot. Maybe off to the side in the back lot between Farmshed and the back of the bowling alley. With a reserved code-access covered carport for golf carts.

[rustyp]

No provenance on the "discussion", so can anyone provide more sources for what is "claimed".


Certainly you can trust a guy that goes by the name son of Ma Barker.

Fred Barker- Ma Barker's youngest son if alive would be 121 yrs old this year. However Fred died along with Ma in a shootout with the FBI in 1935 at a camp a few doors down from Gator Joe's on Lake Weir. The bullet ridden house has been moved to Carney Island Park on Lake Weir in recent years for all to enjoy.

[Stu from NYC]

No provenance on the "discussion", so can anyone provide more sources for what is "claimed".

Time will tell.

[asianthree]

Thinking the family always keeps plans to themselves until they choose to release info, why would they choose to announce through utube.

If this person is one of the contractors employees, guessing they would be toast.

However it has been discussed on TOTV more than once for awhile that the theater may be renovated into something else. So the utuber, May just be like many on this site, Just Guessing

[Bogie Shooter]

Some Videos on his YouTube site, I’ve seen in TOTV……

[BlueStarAirlines]

I heard through a guy at my sub shop that his uncle knows a guy that said Katie Belle's is moving south of 44. He was told that if you buy a new house in a new section you get 25% all food items on Wednesday. Seems legit.....

[tvbound]

Some Videos on his YouTube site, I’ve seen in TOTV……

Like the crop circles video on his site? I heard that the developer was able to purchase the land on the other side of the Turnpike cheap, because the farmers down there were spooked by crop circles. Maybe soon, we'll be hearing about old people buying TV houses down there - going for UFO rides? lol

[JSR22]

The YouTube video was filmed by Goldwingnut, Don Wiley. He has a been a very reliable source of TV info. I will be surprised if it is not true.

[Kenswing]

The YouTube video was filmed by Goldwingnut, Don Wiley. He has a been a very reliable source of TV info. I will be surprised if it is not true.

The video linked in the op is not from Don Wiley. It’s from Sonofmabarker who is Ira Miller, a local real estate agent.

[Two Bills]

The YouTube video was filmed by Goldwingnut, Don Wiley. He has a been a very reliable source of TV info. I will be surprised if it is not true.

Really?
Didn't sound like him, and film work seems nowhere as professional as GWN.

[JSR22]

The video linked in the op is not from Don Wiley. It’s from Sonofmabarker who is Ira Miller, a local real estate agent.
WOW The voice sounds just like Don Wiley.

[tophcfa]

If they can sort the parking out for all the proposed apartments, can't see the problem.
The Health Club seems a better idea for the old movie theater than a boarded up albatross.
Breathe new life into the square during the day.
The evenings will take care of themselves.

How will moving the health club over to a different building breath new life into the square during the day? Inquiring minds want to know?

[tophcfa]

If it's true, I think it's a great idea. They have a dedicated parking lot in the back that can be gated off for residents only, they have a rear entrance into the building and a circular driveway back there, they could easily add some amenities (like a billiard room and community meeting room, card room, craft room etc) on the front of the second floor, which would mean noise reduction for everyone else in the building. The new gym in the theatre building is also a great idea, I've said so before.

If true, I'd applaud it. And once that's done, THEN they could maybe add some apartments to the Katie Belle building, but they'd need to section off reserved parking for residents in the back lot. Maybe off to the side in the back lot between Farmshed and the back of the bowling alley. With a reserved code-access covered carport for golf carts.

I wouldn’t be against it if all the new apartments didn’t have amenity rights.

[Number 10 GI]

WOW The voice sounds just like Don Wiley.

Get a new hearing aid, not even close to Don's voice or his manner of speaking.

[thevillages2013]

How will moving the health club over to a different building breath new life into the square during the day? Inquiring minds want to know?

MVP was bought out by Genesis so who knows but the existing building may be more suitable for apartments and part of the deal would be moving to the theatre. Just spitballing here. Genesis bought MVP Brownwood also

[rustyp]

And there goes the parking spots on the second of the 4 sides of the square.

[Two Bills]

How will moving the health club over to a different building breath new life into the square during the day? Inquiring minds want to know?

If as speculated in the film the old health club premises are turned into more shops, and with residents above, more people shopping and coming and going will increase daily footfall around the square. Plus ascetically, the square will look a little more attractive without the hoarding around the theater.
Whole place needs a face lift.
As for amenity rights.
If someone is paying an amenity fee for each apartment, why shouldn't residents have full amenity access?

[Topspinmo]

If as speculated in the film the old health club premises are turned into more shops, and with residents above, more people shopping and coming and going will increase daily footfall around the square. Plus ascetically, the square will look a little more attractive without the hoarding around the theater.
Whole place needs a face lift.
As for amenity rights.
If someone is paying an amenity fee for each apartment, why shouldn't residents have full amenity access?


There empty building space, why they want use some unused space into apartments. Over priced speciality stores won’t last IMO. LSL good example. Empty space.

Amenities rights? IMO As long as go to district and not developers, why? Cause the developers sold out amenities to districts 20 years ago.

[Priebehouse]

Not going to believe until my hair dresser says so.

Rumors, Rumors, Rumors.

:faint:

Owning an apartment on Spanish Springs Square would be like owning a house with a lanai that is next to a pickle ball court. The developer will supply earplugs for the life of the bond...:)

[dewilson58]

Owning an apartment on Spanish Springs Square would be like

The Developer will be owning, so you can stop worrying.

[OrangeBlossomBaby]

I wouldn’t be against it if all the new apartments didn’t have amenity rights.

The thing about -that- building, is that there's enough room for a pool on the ground floor. They can have their own amenities.

And if they do, they could pay that amenity fee and be connected to the rest of the Villages amenities system (because village residents, in turn, would have access to the ones in their building as well). The people living over the old Katie Belle's building would also have access to those amenities - which would mean they wouldn't feel like they're stuck using only the sports pool or driving down Del Mar to get to the other pool off that end.

It'd make for a great temporary visit option for the Villages Real Estate, for folks who are interested in living in the northern, already fully developed and mature area, and don't want new construction. They can rent for a week or two (just like with the lifestyle visits but specifically intended for northern re-sales), get a golf cart, a guest pass, pool access, rec access, etc. Fully furnished. They'd get a slice of the Villages experience, and they'd be staying in a centrally located building that's right smack dab in the middle of the town square.

IN FACT (now that I think of it):

A hotel-style apartment short-term rental that's owned, operated, and directed by the Villages Real Estate for the purpose of attracting folks to buy re-sales in the northern half of the community...

Could be an amazing opportunity for VRE. Plus it keeps the short-term tenants out of established neighborhoods, meaning - you won't see a bunch of ne'er do wells trashing your neighbor's house just because they're only there for a week and want a cheap vacation. Could do rentals from 4 day minimum up to 15 day maximum. A gate pass coded for that building would get them their parking space and entry to the indoor pool room and other building-exclusive amenities. And again - if they add those 7 apartments over Katie Belle's they'd get access to the amenities in that building as well.

[PugMom]

Not going to believe until my hair dresser says so.

Rumors, Rumors, Rumors.

:faint:

oh, You~! :icon_wink:

[PugMom]

no matter what they build, i get the feeling it won't satisfy a certain group unless it's constructed around a lavish katie-belle's

[PugMom]

The thing about -that- building, is that there's enough room for a pool on the ground floor. They can have their own amenities.

And if they do, they could pay that amenity fee and be connected to the rest of the Villages amenities system (because village residents, in turn, would have access to the ones in their building as well). The people living over the old Katie Belle's building would also have access to those amenities - which would mean they wouldn't feel like they're stuck using only the sports pool or driving down Del Mar to get to the other pool off that end.

It'd make for a great temporary visit option for the Villages Real Estate, for folks who are interested in living in the northern, already fully developed and mature area, and don't want new construction. They can rent for a week or two (just like with the lifestyle visits but specifically intended for northern re-sales), get a golf cart, a guest pass, pool access, rec access, etc. Fully furnished. They'd get a slice of the Villages experience, and they'd be staying in a centrally located building that's right smack dab in the middle of the town square.

IN FACT (now that I think of it):

A hotel-style apartment short-term rental that's owned, operated, and directed by the Villages Real Estate for the purpose of attracting folks to buy re-sales in the northern half of the community...

Could be an amazing opportunity for VRE. Plus it keeps the short-term tenants out of established neighborhoods, meaning - you won't see a bunch of ne'er do wells trashing your neighbor's house just because they're only there for a week and want a cheap vacation. Could do rentals from 4 day minimum up to 15 day maximum. A gate pass coded for that building would get them their parking space and entry to the indoor pool room and other building-exclusive amenities. And again - if they add those 7 apartments over Katie Belle's they'd get access to the amenities in that building as well.

EXCELLENT post :popcorn:

[tophcfa]

If someone is paying an amenity fee for each apartment, why shouldn't residents have full amenity access?

Simple answer, the area was fully built out over 20 years ago and the existing amenities were designed and sized for that population. The existing amenities in that area are already overcrowded and at best barely support the existing population, especially the nearby sports pool and executive courses. Adding more residential units with amenity rights, without any correspondingly increasing the amenities, is not in any way in the best interests of the existing residents of the area. The AAC really dropped the ball by granting amenity rights to approximately 150 additional residential units in an already mature area without any increase in available amenities. If the apartment dwellers didn’t have amenity rights and weren’t planning to use the amenities, they wouldn’t have to pay the fees so they would be happy. If they don’t want to buy without amenity rights, that means they plan on using the already overcrowded amenities, which is bad for existing residents. The job of the AAC is to look out for existing residents, and they clearly dropped the ball (no doubt under pressure from a very powerful outside party) by granting the additional amenity rights.

[Bogie Shooter]

Simple answer, the area was fully built out over 20 years ago and the existing amenities were designed and sized for that population. The existing amenities in that area are already overcrowded and at best barely support the existing population, especially the nearby sports pool and executive courses. Adding more residential units with amenity rights, without any correspondingly increasing the amenities, is not in any way in the best interests of the existing residents of the area. The AAC really dropped the ball by granting amenity rights to approximately 150 additional residential units in an already mature area without any increase in available amenities. If the apartment dwellers didn’t have amenity rights and weren’t planning to use the amenities, they wouldn’t have to pay the fees so they would be happy. If they don’t want to buy without amenity rights, that means they plan on using the already overcrowded amenities, which is bad for existing residents. The job of the AAC is to look out for existing residents, and they clearly dropped the ball (no doubt under pressure from a very powerful outside party) by granting the additional amenity rights.

Are you saying since I don’t live in that area I can’t use the executive courses.. BTW never a problem getting a tee time near Spanish Springs. Much ado about nothing!

[Marathon Man]

Are you saying since I don’t live in that area I can’t use the executive courses.. BTW never a problem getting a tee time near Spanish Springs. Much ado about nothing!

Well said. The comment that you responded to was off target.

[tophcfa]

Are you saying since I don’t live in that area I can’t use the executive courses.

Well said. The comment that you responded to was off target.

???? Where was it stated that any Villager with amenity rights couldn’t use any executive course, regardless of location? And if someone wants to say that a comment is off target, please explain what comment you are referring to and why you feel it’s off target.

[Bogie Shooter]

???? Where was it stated that any Villager with amenity rights couldn’t use any executive course, regardless of location? And if someone wants to say that a comment is off target, please explain what comment you are referring to and why you feel it’s off target.

You said , executive courses were overcrowded.

[MidWestIA]

Down grading hacienda country club and spanish springs feels like the villages OWNER is Forcing us to buy new below 44?

Overbuilding the amenities starts to make this less appealing maybe look at north Dallas again - Texas is awesome

[jaj523]

If they pay amenity fees, I don't see a problem.

[Blackbird45]

In the video the narrator mentioned that he was hoping that the theater would be modernized and made more comfortable for the patrons.
I unfortunately think movie theaters, like the drive-in will start disappearing in the near future.
It will come down to a profit issue. Many theaters main income was popcorn and candy, not the movies themselves.
Producer have also found that they can make money streaming their product without the hassle of distribution and piracy.
There are films today that were slated to go to theaters that have been diverted to the home screen. Though they make might make less per family, they increase comes by the number of families that would probably have never gone to the theater in the first place.
Today many people would prefer to watch a new release on their smaller screen in their underwear than go to a theater and depending on the size of their family it is a lot less expensive.

[Blackbird45]

In the video the narrator mentioned that he was hoping that the theater would be modernized and made more comfortable for the patrons.
I unfortunately think movie theaters, like the drive-in will start disappearing in the near future.
It will come down to a profit issue. Many theaters main income was popcorn and candy, not the movies themselves.
Producer have also found that they can make money streaming their product without the hassle of distribution and piracy.
There are films today that were slated to go to theaters that have been diverted to the home screen. Though they make might make less per family, they increase comes by the number of families that would probably have never gone to the theater in the first place.
Today many people would prefer to watch a new release on their smaller screen in their underwear than go to a theater and depending on the size of their family it is a lot less expensive.

[La lamy]

Good point Tophcfa about overcrowding near by facilities. I know there's already a need for more pickleball courts in the SS area, let alone with many more people coming into apartments.

[Luggage]

Every government, looks to expand and to get more power, for taxes etc that's just the way of life

[dewilson58]

Down grading hacienda country club and spanish springs feels like the villages OWNER is Forcing us to buy new below 44?

:1rotfl::1rotfl::1rotfl:

:cryin2::cryin2:

[Greg L]

I love the idea but would like to see a patio restaurant on the square side. In the shade and would be a great addition to the square

[Villages Kahuna]

Parking for all the apartments…parking for the botique shops…parking for the Sharon…parking for the nightly entertainment.

Nightly entertainment? Kiss that goodbye. It’s no longer needed to attract home buyers to the northern end of The Villages.

Come to think of it, the whole Spanish Springs town square would make a great parking lot! It could be secured with gates for use by all the new apartment renters!

[wsachs]

Looks like you can kiss goodbye the Rialto Theater at Spanish Springs. The Villages will soon announce a big change for this area. Video is below.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HxLM0s-tfvY
No reference to any proof of what is being said. All rumor for now.

[dewilson58]

Parking …parking …parking …parking

parking


:blahblahblah::blahblahblah::blahblahblah:
Old broken record.

[Villages Kahuna]

Not enough parking for The Sharon as it is. The Developer spent a ton building it and family members manage it. Kiss the nightly entertainment goodbye. Noisy for renters and requires way too much parking for renters and commercial businesses. As I said above, re-purposing the whole town square into a well-designed gated parking lot for renters would be a great idea. Or half-and-half for renters and the health club.

[dewilson58]

parking parking parking .

Again.
:blahblahblah::blahblahblah::blahblahblah:

[jimkerr]

The YouTube video was filmed by Goldwingnut, Don Wiley. He has a been a very reliable source of TV info. I will be surprised if it is not true.

No it wasn’t. Don doesn’t spread rumors. He only talks about facts he knows is true based on his research.

[BostonRich]

Turning the MVP/Genesis health club into apartments makes a lot of sense. It was supposed to be a hotel to begin with, right? It can have parking and the main entrance at the rear away from the square. The windows can be made soundproof like the homes near airports but openable for the nights you want to hear the music. Stores on the first level is also a good idea and maybe a few new food places with tables out front. That would be a pleasant environment and shielded from the afternoon sun too.

The Rialto however is a real loss for the square. I always felt that there was a great opportunity here to incorporate a better upscale snack bar with access from both sides so people in the square could run over and grab a quick bite. There is ample room out front to set up an outdoor cafe for snacking while listening to the music too. How about a movie/restaurant where you could eat and watch a movie? Had these back north.

Anyway, yes to the apartments at MVP. No to the Rialto removal. A health club does not have to be located right in the square. This immediate area should be retained for things that all residents can use and enjoy.

[BostonRich]

Dup

[Lottoguy]

There are many movies that MUST be seen in a theater. Films like Saving Private Ryan, Titanic, Avatar and the Marvel movies look terrible on a television. The big screen and sound is awesome in a theater.

[Lottoguy]

Nightly entertainment is much appreciated by the restaurants and shops in Spanish Springs. Your forgetting about them.

[Lottoguy]

Did you ever think that giving a reference could cost somebody their job?

[tophcfa]

You said , executive courses were overcrowded.

Yup, I did, and I also said the La Hacienda sports pool is overcrowded as well. And I wasn’t just saying it, I know it for a fact because I live in the area and attempt to use both amenities when able to squeeze in a spot. Perhaps I needed to be more specific, they were very overcrowded last January, February, March, and April (until after Easter). This time of the year the Executive courses in the area are much less crowded and mid-day t times can be had. I don’t play pickle ball, but according to another poster that amenity is already overstressed as well. Granting additional amenity rights to new residential units in a mature area with already overstressed amenities is not at all in the best interest of existing residents.

[Dburesh]

If it's true, I think it's a great idea. They have a dedicated parking lot in the back that can be gated off for residents only, they have a rear entrance into the building and a circular driveway back there, they could easily add some amenities (like a billiard room and community meeting room, card room, craft room etc) on the front of the second floor, which would mean noise reduction for everyone else in the building. The new gym in the theatre building is also a great idea, I've said so before.

If true, I'd applaud it. And once that's done, THEN they could maybe add some apartments to the Katie Belle building, but they'd need to section off reserved parking for residents in the back lot. Maybe off to the side in the back lot between Farmshed and the back of the bowling alley. With a reserved code-access covered carport for golf carts.

Very sad about Katie Bells...they need to start it up again in their original location @ the Spanish Springs Square! I've lived here for 7 years & visited prior to that for 16 years & we didn't leave without going to Katie Bells...what a great place to meet up with everyone & dance. The entertainment was fabulous too & the restaurant upstairs was great! It's ashame that they took this establishment away...Spanish Springs is dwindling to nothing & it's NOT fair to the owners of the home in that area!

[OrangeBlossomBaby]

Very sad about Katie Bells...they need to start it up again in their original location @ the Spanish Springs Square! I've lived here for 7 years & visited prior to that for 16 years & we didn't leave without going to Katie Bells...what a great place to meet up with everyone & dance. The entertainment was fabulous too & the restaurant upstairs was great! It's ashame that they took this establishment away...Spanish Springs is dwindling to nothing & it's NOT fair to the owners of the home in that area!

Katie Belles closed because it was losing money. People would come for the music, buy their 2-drink minimum, and occupy the table space for several hours. This forced other potential customers who might have paid for food to seek their dinner elsewhere.

in addition, this concept of dinner and dancing appealed to an older generation. That generation, while not yet fully extinct, has been mostly replaced by younger generations (multiple) that aren't interested in dinner and dancing in the same venue.

There are lots of things Belle's COULD be, but "dinner and dancing venue" is not one of them, and has already been proven a failed exercise.

[jimjamuser]

How will moving the health club over to a different building breath new life into the square during the day? Inquiring minds want to know?
I am guessing that the new residents of the apartments will be "breathing in the new life" by spending money at the businesses at the Square

[asianthree]

We have 2 friends that are looking forward to the apartments in SS. Sadly with only 7 apartments to start, they hope to beat the waitlist. They enjoy the low key area, and both travel, so apartments are perfect. Both coming from city living, one over a restaurant, and the other over shopping.

As they said, big difference in SS compared to where they lived. 3am traffic noise, and multiple people walking around, will probably be non existent. Music will be the least of their issues, and can listen live without going downstairs, if they want. Their plan store golf cart when not in town, they both have 1 car. So 4 people will be very happy, even though many on this site are not

If the waitlist is long, you will see more apartments in SS. Developer isn’t going to convert if nobody’s signed a lease.

[Jayhawk]

The Rialto however is a real loss for the square. I always felt that there was a great opportunity here to incorporate a better upscale snack bar with access from both sides so people in the square could run over and grab a quick bite. There is ample room out front to set up an outdoor cafe for snacking while listening to the music too. How about a movie/restaurant where you could eat and watch a movie? Had these back north.


Sounds like you have a plan. Curious what it will cost to put your plan into action?

[Two Bills]

Yup, I did, and I also said the La Hacienda sports pool is overcrowded as well. And I wasn’t just saying it, I know it for a fact because I live in the area and attempt to use both amenities when able to squeeze in a spot. Perhaps I needed to be more specific, they were very overcrowded last January, February, March, and April (until after Eastwrer). .

Wife and I have overwintered in TV for over 20 years.
When were those months any different?

[tophcfa]

Wife and I have overwintered in TV for over 20 years.
When were those months any different?

Never, but going forward they will be even worse because of additional residential units with amenity rights, but no corresponding additional amenity capacity.

[mtdjed]

Parking for all the apartments…parking for the botique shops…parking for the Sharon…parking for the nightly entertainment.

Nightly entertainment? Kiss that goodbye. It’s no longer needed to attract home buyers to the northern end of The Villages.

Come to think of it, the whole Spanish Springs town square would make a great parking lot! It could be secured with gates for use by all the new apartment renters!


Perhaps the Spanish Springs town square should be turned into a high rise Memory Care facility Campus as it was originally conceived. Walls that were partially built could be "secured with gates" to retain residents in where every day in the future is a replica of the past like the movie Ground Hog Day. No added parking spaces needed since residents don't need cars. The theater could play a movie "The Sky is Falling" starring Henny Penny. No acorns falling, just parking spaces disappearing.

[Papa_lecki]

To what capacity should the amenities be built? Jan/Feb/Mar or the other 8.5 to 9 months a year?

Developer isn’t able to build any more amenities; amenity authority builds them, and residents pay for them.

Think the residents in whatever district want to pay $800,000 for a new pool?

[OrangeBlossomBaby]

To what capacity should the amenities be built? Jan/Feb/Mar or the other 8.5 to 9 months a year?

Developer isn’t able to build any more amenities; amenity authority builds them, and residents pay for them.

Think the residents in whatever district want to pay $800,000 for a new pool?

They own the property. They can build amenities if they want to, on their own property. Just like they're building a new rec center at Hacienda, with a snack bar, and a pool, to go with their new 26 villas.

[Blackbird45]

There are many movies that MUST be seen in a theater. Films like Saving Private Ryan, Titanic, Avatar and the Marvel movies look terrible on a television. The big screen and sound is awesome in a theater.

No argument there, but movies are part of show business and when they say show business the emphasis is on business. More and more films are showing up on the small screen because there is money there.

[Topspinmo]

:blahblahblah::blahblahblah::blahblahblah:
Old broken record.

Looks like pretty good record, I didn’t see no skipping….:)

[tophcfa]

I am guessing that the new residents of the apartments will be "breathing in the new life" by spending money at the businesses at the Square

Lots more potential spenders would be visiting the square if they brought back the weekly farmers market.

[tophcfa]

To what capacity should the amenities be built? Jan/Feb/Mar or the other 8.5 to 9 months a year?

Amenities in the SS area were built over 20 years ago to accommodate the high season capacity. The problem is that now more capacity is going to be added without a corresponding increase in amenities. Not good at all for existing residents paying for and using the existing amenities.

[OrangeBlossomBaby]

Amenities in the SS area were built over 20 years ago to accommodate the high season capacity. The problem is that now more capacity is going to be added without a corresponding increase in amenities. Not good at all for existing residents paying for and using the existing amenities.

There will be an increase in amenities. They'll be adding a pool, a rec center, postal station, snack bar, pickleball, shuffleboard, and some other who knows what over at the Hacienda CC property where they're putting up 26 villas.

[mtdjed]

Amenities in the SS area were built over 20 years ago to accommodate the high season capacity. The problem is that now more capacity is going to be added without a corresponding increase in amenities. Not good at all for existing residents paying for and using the existing amenities.

For goodness sake, you are crying about 7 apartments that don't even exist. The amenities that were built 20 years ago were built for people 20 years younger. Many are not using the so called amenities as often. The Sky is not Falling. All of the belly aching and stories are speculation. A good example is that you can almost always get a tee time in the Spanish Springs area when all southern courses are booked.

[tophcfa]

For goodness sake, you are crying about 7 apartments that don't even exist. The amenities that were built 20 years ago were built for people 20 years younger. Many are not using the so called amenities as often. The Sky is not Falling. All of the belly aching and stories are speculation. A good example is that you can almost always get a tee time in the Spanish Springs area when all southern courses are booked.

Seven apartments are the tip of the iceberg.

[tophcfa]

There will be an increase in amenities. They'll be adding a pool, a rec center, postal station, snack bar, pickleball, shuffleboard, and some other who knows what over at the Hacienda CC property where they're putting up 26 villas.

No mention off additional capacity for already bottlenecked lap swimming or executive golf.

[OrangeBlossomBaby]

No mention off additional capacity for already bottlenecked lap swimming or executive golf.

Here's an idea for the lap swimming issue: get in touch with the rec center responsible for scheduling the swim times at that pool. First though, get in touch with a whole big bunch of people who also are annoyed that they can't swim laps at the lap-swimming pool, because non-lap-swimming clubs are reserving too much time.

Remember though - if people are ONLY swimming laps in this pool, that means only maybe what - 10 swimmers maximum, at any given moment?

Meanwhile the clubs have anywhere between 15 and 25 members in the pool at once, PLUS a couple of lanes set aside for lap swimmers.

Who's making the most use of this pool?

Also meanwhile, there are several other pools in the general area that aren't utilized as much. While they're not sports pools - you can still swim laps as long as you don't get in the way of folks just hanging out in the middle of the pool.

I have no trouble swimming laps at any of the pools I've been in so far.

[collie1228]

They own the property. They can build amenities if they want to, on their own property. Just like they're building a new rec center at Hacienda, with a snack bar, and a pool, to go with their new 26 villas.

True, they own it. But they're not building anything yet - how long has it been, over two years now since they demolished the "country club"? The site is currently an overgrown field of weeds.

[charlieo1126@gmail.com]

True, they own it. But they're not building anything yet - how long has it been, over two years now since they demolished the "country club"? The site is currently an overgrown field of weeds.maybe it would have already been built up ,if a bunch of whiners who mostly didn’t live in the neighborhood hadn’t shown up to complain about how the children were destroying King Harold , or Emperor Harold or the God like Harold’s or which ever name his admires may choose to use VISION

[Bogie Shooter]

maybe it would have already been built up ,if a bunch of whiners who mostly didn’t live in the neighborhood hadn’t shown up to complain about how the children were destroying King Harold , or Emperor Harold or the God like Harold’s or which ever name his admires may choose to use VISION

Still whining………….

[Bikehike]

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