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Living a Fantasy
06-10-2022, 05:39 PM
This morning I posted a petition to address the mass shootings and to request signatures on change.org. My link is accessible by clicking on the web address that follows this overview.

My Overview

Staying Alive has become a crap shoot not knowing if a mass shooter is arriving at a school or university, concert, airport, office, manufacturing building, or government building. What defense does one have as a victim of such a shooter? What causes the shooter to justify such behavior? Is it caused by school bullying, medical issues, violence from TV programs, social media, etc?

Staying Alive was also a crap shoot during the height of the COVID pandemic. Fortunately, science and technology in the hands of scientists at pharmaceutical companies paved the way ultimately to reduce infections and deaths. Government incentives helped the cause and solution.

Technologies exist today, if properly integrated, to help reduce and even eliminate mass shootings --- at least help to deter the shooter. These technologies, to my knowledge, haven't addressed the mass shootings as I propose. There now exist technologies to dispatch drones from rooftops of buildings triggered by motion detectors on the ground; smell-trained dogs that patrol people and baggage at airports; metal detectors in government buildings and at airports; insect drones the size of a fingernail that can fly in swarms that are controlled or programmed by humans.

I would like signatures on this petition to invite the government and private companies to provide incentives to use a combination of technologies (like the above) to deter and prevent mass shootings.

In schools, I see drones positioned in their chargers on rooftops or within corridors in buildings. Motion detectors and metal detectors trigger their movement to the location of the threat. Within the building they come down in swarms on the intruder emitting a siren sound while sending notifications to law enforcement and teachers in the schools. Outside of the building, larger drones come down as well; but maybe able to spray the intruder. Throughout the day and at random, drones will patrol the outside of the buildings to deter intruders.

Similar drone activities and safeguards can be used in any building, airport, concert hall, theme park, etc. A marketing campaign by the media and the government and municipalities would help educate and deter an individual from even thinking of a mass shooting.

Multimillionaires and billionaires are also invited to pool their resources to modify and improve on my suggestions. Is it a Warren Buffett, Bill Gates, Musk, Mark Cuban passion? I don't know; but it would help our children, and parents, and concert goers feel safe when walking the streets and attending large gathering events.

I urge all to share and modify my thoughts for mankind to benefit. Sign the petition, send it to your government officials, or network of entrepreneurs.

Someone categorized three kinds of people in the world as:

1. Someone who makes things happen!

2. Someone who watches what happened!

3. Someone who wondered what happened!

Together, just maybe, the signers of this petition can make this happen. The link with the overview and instructions for signing the petition follow:

Petition * Integrated Technology using Drones to Reduce and Eliminate Mass Killings * Change.org (http://www.change.org/StopMassShooters)

OrangeBlossomBaby
06-11-2022, 02:57 PM
This morning I posted a petition to address the mass shootings and to request signatures on change.org. My link is accessible by clicking on the web address that follows this overview.

My Overview

Staying Alive has become a crap shoot not knowing if a mass shooter is arriving at a school or university, concert, airport, office, manufacturing building, or government building. What defense does one have as a victim of such a shooter? What causes the shooter to justify such behavior? Is it caused by school bullying, medical issues, violence from TV programs, social media, etc?

Staying Alive was also a crap shoot during the height of the COVID pandemic. Fortunately, science and technology in the hands of scientists at pharmaceutical companies paved the way ultimately to reduce infections and deaths. Government incentives helped the cause and solution.

Technologies exist today, if properly integrated, to help reduce and even eliminate mass shootings --- at least help to deter the shooter. These technologies, to my knowledge, haven't addressed the mass shootings as I propose. There now exist technologies to dispatch drones from rooftops of buildings triggered by motion detectors on the ground; smell-trained dogs that patrol people and baggage at airports; metal detectors in government buildings and at airports; insect drones the size of a fingernail that can fly in swarms that are controlled or programmed by humans.

I would like signatures on this petition to invite the government and private companies to provide incentives to use a combination of technologies (like the above) to deter and prevent mass shootings.

In schools, I see drones positioned in their chargers on rooftops or within corridors in buildings. Motion detectors and metal detectors trigger their movement to the location of the threat. Within the building they come down in swarms on the intruder emitting a siren sound while sending notifications to law enforcement and teachers in the schools. Outside of the building, larger drones come down as well; but maybe able to spray the intruder. Throughout the day and at random, drones will patrol the outside of the buildings to deter intruders.

Similar drone activities and safeguards can be used in any building, airport, concert hall, theme park, etc. A marketing campaign by the media and the government and municipalities would help educate and deter an individual from even thinking of a mass shooting.

Multimillionaires and billionaires are also invited to pool their resources to modify and improve on my suggestions. Is it a Warren Buffett, Bill Gates, Musk, Mark Cuban passion? I don't know; but it would help our children, and parents, and concert goers feel safe when walking the streets and attending large gathering events.

I urge all to share and modify my thoughts for mankind to benefit. Sign the petition, send it to your government officials, or network of entrepreneurs.

Someone categorized three kinds of people in the world as:

1. Someone who makes things happen!

2. Someone who watches what happened!

3. Someone who wondered what happened!

Together, just maybe, the signers of this petition can make this happen. The link with the overview and instructions for signing the petition follow:

Petition * Integrated Technology using Drones to Reduce and Eliminate Mass Killings * Change.org (http://www.change.org/StopMassShooters)

If you're using drones to stop active shooters, then you've already lost. The focus should be on -preventing- those shooters from getting the guns, and then from getting them to the property where they plan on doing the shooting. Once they're already there, you're WAY too late.

Drones are a way to normalize mass shooting. It escalates the violence, it doesn't prevent it. When you "harden the doors" they'll just use weapons that can shoot through doors, or acids that can burn locks. When you send in heavily-armored guards, you'll encourage shooters to bring guns that have ammunition that can pierce armor. When you bring in drones that can detect shooters, you give shooters incentive to become better at hiding themselves, making it harder to detect them.

No - that isn't the solution. The solution is to REDUCE RISK of shooters existing in the first place. Universal background checks is a good start.

Taltarzac725
06-11-2022, 03:22 PM
Criminals adapt their behavior.

Normalizing drones around places like movie theaters, churches, hospitals, schools, concerts, stores, etc. would just invite psychopaths to add their's into the mix.

Some military bases uses them but that is as defense against enemy uses of drones.


If you're using drones to stop active shooters, then you've already lost. The focus should be on -preventing- those shooters from getting the guns, and then from getting them to the property where they plan on doing the shooting. Once they're already there, you're WAY too late.

Drones are a way to normalize mass shooting. It escalates the violence, it doesn't prevent it. When you "harden the doors" they'll just use weapons that can shoot through doors, or acids that can burn locks. When you send in heavily-armored guards, you'll encourage shooters to bring guns that have ammunition that can pierce armor. When you bring in drones that can detect shooters, you give shooters incentive to become better at hiding themselves, making it harder to detect them.

No - that isn't the solution. The solution is to REDUCE RISK of shooters existing in the first place. Universal background checks is a good start.

coralway
06-11-2022, 06:06 PM
postings here get more bizarre every day.

Michael G.
06-11-2022, 06:16 PM
AK-15 could blow those drones out of the air in no time.

alwann
06-11-2022, 06:49 PM
Feels like Arnold and the Terminator. Don't want to be alive to see that world.

me4vt
06-12-2022, 04:36 AM
After 9-11 they didn’t ban airplanes they secured the cockpits! “Train hard today to bleed less tomorrow” Despite what your momma told you “Violence Does Solve Problems”

me4vt
06-12-2022, 04:39 AM
This morning I posted a petition to address the mass shootings and to request signatures on change.org. My link is accessible by clicking on the web address that follows this overview.

My Overview

Staying Alive has become a crap shoot not knowing if a mass shooter is arriving at a school or university, concert, airport, office, manufacturing building, or government building. What defense does one have as a victim of such a shooter? What causes the shooter to justify such behavior? Is it caused by school bullying, medical issues, violence from TV programs, social media, etc?

Staying Alive was also a crap shoot during the height of the COVID pandemic. Fortunately, science and technology in the hands of scientists at pharmaceutical companies paved the way ultimately to reduce infections and deaths. Government incentives helped the cause and solution.

Technologies exist today, if properly integrated, to help reduce and even eliminate mass shootings --- at least help to deter the shooter. These technologies, to my knowledge, haven't addressed the mass shootings as I propose. There now exist technologies to dispatch drones from rooftops of buildings triggered by motion detectors on the ground; smell-trained dogs that patrol people and baggage at airports; metal detectors in government buildings and at airports; insect drones the size of a fingernail that can fly in swarms that are controlled or programmed by humans.

I would like signatures on this petition to invite the government and private companies to provide incentives to use a combination of technologies (like the above) to deter and prevent mass shootings.

In schools, I see drones positioned in their chargers on rooftops or within corridors in buildings. Motion detectors and metal detectors trigger their movement to the location of the threat. Within the building they come down in swarms on the intruder emitting a siren sound while sending notifications to law enforcement and teachers in the schools. Outside of the building, larger drones come down as well; but maybe able to spray the intruder. Throughout the day and at random, drones will patrol the outside of the buildings to deter intruders.

Similar drone activities and safeguards can be used in any building, airport, concert hall, theme park, etc. A marketing campaign by the media and the government and municipalities would help educate and deter an individual from even thinking of a mass shooting.

Multimillionaires and billionaires are also invited to pool their resources to modify and improve on my suggestions. Is it a Warren Buffett, Bill Gates, Musk, Mark Cuban passion? I don't know; but it would help our children, and parents, and concert goers feel safe when walking the streets and attending large gathering events.

I urge all to share and modify my thoughts for mankind to benefit. Sign the petition, send it to your government officials, or network of entrepreneurs.

Someone categorized three kinds of people in the world as:

1. Someone who makes things happen!

2. Someone who watches what happened!

3. Someone who wondered what happened!

Together, just maybe, the signers of this petition can make this happen. The link with the overview and instructions for signing the petition follow:

Petition * Integrated Technology using Drones to Reduce and Eliminate Mass Killings * Change.org (http://www.change.org/StopMassShooters)
Train hard today to bleed less tomorrow!

tsmall22204
06-12-2022, 04:58 AM
I think you are over stating the possibility of drones. Do you know what a drone pilot is? Do you know how many would be needed?
The guns are what kill people in any mass shooting. Stop sidestepping the real issue.

MDLNB
06-12-2022, 05:19 AM
Physical security with armed guards will work better and less expensive than drones or the impossible task of banning good citizens from owning guns. I've seen it in the inner cities where a simple high fence with an armed security has deterred any mass shootings. All the shootings I have seen have been in places with NO physical security, just open to all intent on doing evil.

jljl62040
06-12-2022, 05:30 AM
Sounds yet like another step closer to the Orwellian world depicted in 1984.

golfing eagles
06-12-2022, 05:34 AM
Sounds yet like another step closer to the Orwellian world depicted in 1984.

Yes, Big Brother is watching

donassaid
06-12-2022, 05:40 AM
More technology, more government control, more loss of personal freedom. Really? How about we put Jesus back in schools, fathers back in homes, and eliminate violent movies and video games that treat the taking of human life so flippantly?

Worldseries27
06-12-2022, 05:51 AM
this morning i posted a petition to address the mass shootings and to request signatures on change.org. My link is accessible by clicking on the web address that follows this overview.

My overview

staying alive has become a crap shoot not knowing if a mass shooter is arriving at a school or university, concert, airport, office, manufacturing building, or government building. What defense does one have as a victim of such a shooter? What causes the shooter to justify such behavior? Is it caused by school bullying, medical issues, violence from tv programs, social media, etc?

Staying alive was also a crap shoot during the height of the covid pandemic. Fortunately, science and technology in the hands of scientists at pharmaceutical companies paved the way ultimately to reduce infections and deaths. Government incentives helped the cause and solution.

Technologies exist today, if properly integrated, to help reduce and even eliminate mass shootings --- at least help to deter the shooter. These technologies, to my knowledge, haven't addressed the mass shootings as i propose. There now exist technologies to dispatch drones from rooftops of buildings triggered by motion detectors on the ground; smell-trained dogs that patrol people and baggage at airports; metal detectors in government buildings and at airports; insect drones the size of a fingernail that can fly in swarms that are controlled or programmed by humans.

I would like signatures on this petition to invite the government and private companies to provide incentives to use a combination of technologies (like the above) to deter and prevent mass shootings.

In schools, i see drones positioned in their chargers on rooftops or within corridors in buildings. Motion detectors and metal detectors trigger their movement to the location of the threat. Within the building they come down in swarms on the intruder emitting a siren sound while sending notifications to law enforcement and teachers in the schools. Outside of the building, larger drones come down as well; but maybe able to spray the intruder. Throughout the day and at random, drones will patrol the outside of the buildings to deter intruders.

Similar drone activities and safeguards can be used in any building, airport, concert hall, theme park, etc. A marketing campaign by the media and the government and municipalities would help educate and deter an individual from even thinking of a mass shooting.

Multimillionaires and billionaires are also invited to pool their resources to modify and improve on my suggestions. Is it a warren buffett, bill gates, musk, mark cuban passion? I don't know; but it would help our children, and parents, and concert goers feel safe when walking the streets and attending large gathering events.

I urge all to share and modify my thoughts for mankind to benefit. Sign the petition, send it to your government officials, or network of entrepreneurs.

Someone categorized three kinds of people in the world as:

1. Someone who makes things happen!

2. Someone who watches what happened!

3. Someone who wondered what happened!

Together, just maybe, the signers of this petition can make this happen. The link with the overview and instructions for signing the petition follow:

petition * integrated technology using drones to reduce and eliminate mass killings * change.org (http://www.change.org/stopmassshooters)
what do you think of having 2 fully armed and trained national guardsmen who are already on the payroll manning a central entrance with metal detectors protect ing the children and staff until robocop comes off the production line ?

kenoc7
06-12-2022, 06:09 AM
More technology, more government control, more loss of personal freedom. Really? How about we put Jesus back in schools, fathers back in homes, and eliminate violent movies and video games that treat the taking of human life so flippantly?

Putting Jesus back in schools, fathers back in homes and eliminating violent movies and video games (lol) are all useless when it comes to reducing mass shootings. The only things that work are fewer guns that are harder to get. Evidence from numerous other countries proves this. An 18-year-old in the USA can't buy alcohol, lawn darts or a Kinder Surprise but they can buy a weapon of war. Totally stupid priorities.

Sarah_W
06-12-2022, 06:13 AM
I think you are over stating the possibility of drones. Do you know what a drone pilot is? Do you know how many would be needed?
The guns are what kill people in any mass shooting. Stop sidestepping the real issue.

The real issue is some people want to kill other people and some want to kill a lot of people. If the government chose to violate our Constitution, the supreme law of our land, it would be the end of America as our Founding Fathers envisioned. It would be the end of Liberty in our country. Take away all of the guns and you still have people who want to kill others and kill many. It is astounding to me that our Legislators in Congress spend millions and millions of dollars on obscure studies and to date there hasn't been a full study on all mass shootings. What is the profile of a mass shooter?What drives them? Why and how do they choose their target? What is creating these deranged/evil people?

We need answers to all of the above. After the Marjorie Stoneman Douglas mass shooting it didn't take long for the Florida legislature to pass laws and create the Coach Aaron Feis Guardian program. It has been implemented in schools across the state. There is a school in Indiana that is active shooter proof. Go on YouTube and search for "Inside the safest school in America" and see what they did. We could do the same for half of what we sent to Ukraine a few weeks ago. Write your elected leaders to investigate and solve the problem, rather than attacking our Constitution.

If you really want to help solve the problem, actively engage in the solution. Do something rather than lament. Get involved.

Our government has spent billions to arm the Ukrainian people, and now want to spend millions to disarm the American people. Think about that.

Accidental1
06-12-2022, 06:20 AM
More technology, more government control, more loss of personal freedom. Really? How about we put Jesus back in schools, fathers back in homes, and eliminate violent movies and video games that treat the taking of human life so flippantly?

It appears that you support less government but the fixes you propose imply more government control (mandating your religion in school, banning entertainment etc).

Mushkie
06-12-2022, 06:21 AM
This morning I posted a petition to address the mass shootings and to request signatures on change.org. My link is accessible by clicking on the web address that follows this overview.

My Overview

Staying Alive has become a crap shoot not knowing if a mass shooter is arriving at a school or university, concert, airport, office, manufacturing building, or government building. What defense does one have as a victim of such a shooter? What causes the shooter to justify such behavior? Is it caused by school bullying, medical issues, violence from TV programs, social media, etc?

Staying Alive was also a crap shoot during the height of the COVID pandemic. Fortunately, science and technology in the hands of scientists at pharmaceutical companies paved the way ultimately to reduce infections and deaths. Government incentives helped the cause and solution.

Technologies exist today, if properly integrated, to help reduce and even eliminate mass shootings --- at least help to deter the shooter. These technologies, to my knowledge, haven't addressed the mass shootings as I propose. There now exist technologies to dispatch drones from rooftops of buildings triggered by motion detectors on the ground; smell-trained dogs that patrol people and baggage at airports; metal detectors in government buildings and at airports; insect drones the size of a fingernail that can fly in swarms that are controlled or programmed by humans.

I would like signatures on this petition to invite the government and private companies to provide incentives to use a combination of technologies (like the above) to deter and prevent mass shootings.

In schools, I see drones positioned in their chargers on rooftops or within corridors in buildings. Motion detectors and metal detectors trigger their movement to the location of the threat. Within the building they come down in swarms on the intruder emitting a siren sound while sending notifications to law enforcement and teachers in the schools. Outside of the building, larger drones come down as well; but maybe able to spray the intruder. Throughout the day and at random, drones will patrol the outside of the buildings to deter intruders.

Similar drone activities and safeguards can be used in any building, airport, concert hall, theme park, etc. A marketing campaign by the media and the government and municipalities would help educate and deter an individual from even thinking of a mass shooting.

Multimillionaires and billionaires are also invited to pool their resources to modify and improve on my suggestions. Is it a Warren Buffett, Bill Gates, Musk, Mark Cuban passion? I don't know; but it would help our children, and parents, and concert goers feel safe when walking the streets and attending large gathering events.

I urge all to share and modify my thoughts for mankind to benefit. Sign the petition, send it to your government officials, or network of entrepreneurs.

Someone categorized three kinds of people in the world as:

1. Someone who makes things happen!

2. Someone who watches what happened!

3. Someone who wondered what happened!

Together, just maybe, the signers of this petition can make this happen. The link with the overview and instructions for signing the petition follow:

Petition * Integrated Technology using Drones to Reduce and Eliminate Mass Killings * Change.org (http://www.change.org/StopMassShooters)

To use drones or any spy technology operated by the government “for our protection” is a BIG NO for me. The scariest words one can hear is “Hi, I am with the government and here to help/save you”…. RUN.

One World Order/World Economic Forum leaders and fascist throughout time would love your suggestion. The phrase “Public health and safety matters more than personal liberties” was used by Hitler, Mao, Stalin and Lenin to murder, exterminate, slaughter hundreds of millions of their citizens they labeled dangerous for society. They justified mass murder for “public health and safety”. The largest mass murder in US history was done by the US government using this same evil phrase. On December 28, 1890, US federal agents and the 7th cavalry went to Wounded Knee Creek to confiscate the guns from the Sioux Indians -“for their safety and protection” of course. As soon as a majority of the Sioux had surrendered their guns, the cavalry opened fire and slaughtered all 297 Indians- 200 of the 297 were women and children.

I thought after WW2 we said “never again”. Never again would we allow personal liberty be trampled over for the false promise of “safety and security”.

Ben Franklin warned “any society that will trade a little liberty for a little security, deserves neither and loses both”!!

The reality is there is evil and sadness in the world. It is an unrealistic expectation to think we can rid sadness and evil from life her on earth. Children have this kind of magical thinking and FASCISTS use this magical thinking to enslave us. The idea to strive for zero deaths from gun violence or zero deaths from cancer or zero deaths from car accidents or zero deaths from “the flu” is propaganda pushed fascist leaders attempting to dupe citizens into trading liberty for the false promise of safety. on people by people that are unaware it’s a classic fascist tactic.

THE PROMISE OF A UTOPIA is a Trojan horse to usher in tyranny- don’t fall for it.

Our country was founded on the pursuit of FREEDOM not the pursuit of the NANNY STATE. Freedom by definition is risky, dangerous, nothing is guaranteed. But a life without FREEDOM isn’t worth living.

The argument that that science and BIG PHARMA and the government saved us with “the flu” is just a BIG LIE. Those 3 entities CREATED, capitalized on a flu to be used as a Trojan horse to see how SUBMISSIVE and easily duped into trading away our liberties for the false promise of safety.

The increased mass shootings and attacks in schools and churches/synagogues and hospitals directly correlates with the passing of “gun free zone” laws. Criminals may be evil but they aren’t stupid- they look for soft targets - and the Government “for our protection” made these locations as soft as possible. You gotta ask yourself, why no mass shootings at a shooting range or gun shop??? And you gotta ask yourself why would the Government want to condition us to feel “safer” with law abiding citizens being banned from owning guns?

Statistics of gun shooting and gun deaths prove the STRICTER the gun laws - the higher the number of shootings and deaths.

And evil doesn’t need guns to kill- evil can use cars and trucks and planes, knives, poison, skate boards, baseball bats, fire, and machetes. What makes you think evil won’t use drones for mass murder?? What stops a fascist regime from using drones for surveillance to locate and kill law abiding citizens that question or oppose their regime by labeling them “dangerous to public health and safety”??

Do not be conditioned to feel safer giving up our freedom and liberties for the false promise of a Utopia.

golfing eagles
06-12-2022, 06:34 AM
Putting Jesus back in schools, fathers back in homes and eliminating violent movies and video games (lol) are all useless when it comes to reducing mass shootings. The only things that work are fewer guns that are harder to get. Evidence from numerous other countries proves this. An 18-year-old in the USA can't buy alcohol, lawn darts or a Kinder Surprise but they can buy a weapon of war. Totally stupid priorities.

Same old party line. Unfortunately, I've never seen a gun at a store unlock itself, go to the ammunition counter and load itself, float out the front door and head immediately to a school or movie and hover in mid air shooting people. "Other countries" have different cultural values and to their benefit don't have the "frontier mentality", gun culture, or lack of respect for authority among certain groups that we have to deal with.

Nineteen kids were killed in Texas, a great tragedy. Another instance where 19 kids were killed, along with 169 adults occurred in the neighboring state of Oklahoma. That one only involved a van, fertilizer and gasoline. Homicidal nut jobs will find a way. Chicago has some of the strictest gun laws in the country, and just look at their shootings.

Full discloser: I've never even held a gun in my hand, but I have read the US Constitution

Blackbird45
06-12-2022, 06:42 AM
I'm a heavy believer in the second amendment, but I also believe that a number of regulations can be put into place to reduce firearm deaths in this country. Putting that aside when it comes to the school shootings or things of that nature you can have a close link camera system in each school, so law enforcement will know who and what they're dealing with before they enter a situation. This is also a protection for teachers and lawsuits.

I do not believe we should arm teachers. There have been many incidents where teachers have physically attack students. If you have to deal with children all day, you can understand why. But comes the day a teacher pulls out a gun and kills a child all the proponents of arming teachers will remain silent.

Now when it comes to drones, maybe all police cars should be equipped with drones.
Instead of a police officer approaching a car, a drone will keep them at a safe distance until they are sure it is safe to approach.

golfing eagles
06-12-2022, 06:50 AM
I'm a heavy believer in the second amendment, but I also believe that a number of regulations can be put into place to reduce firearm deaths in this country. Putting that aside when it comes to the school shootings or things of that nature you can have a close link camera system in each school, so law enforcement will know who and what they're dealing with before they enter a situation. This is also a protection for teachers and lawsuits.

I do not believe we should arm teachers. There have been many incidents where teachers have physically attack students. If you have to deal with children all day, you can understand why. But comes the day a teacher pulls out a gun and kills a child all the proponents of arming teachers will remain silent.

Now when it comes to drones, maybe all police cars should be equipped with drones.
Instead of a police officer approaching a car, a drone will keep them at a safe distance until they are sure it is safe to approach.

Like a reaper armed with missiles?????:1rotfl::1rotfl::1rotfl:

midiwiz
06-12-2022, 07:03 AM
This morning I posted a petition to address the mass shootings and to request signatures on change.org. My link is accessible by clicking on the web address that follows this overview.

My Overview

Staying Alive has become a crap shoot not knowing if a mass shooter is arriving at a school or university, concert, airport, office, manufacturing building, or government building. What defense does one have as a victim of such a shooter? What causes the shooter to justify such behavior? Is it caused by school bullying, medical issues, violence from TV programs, social media, etc?

Staying Alive was also a crap shoot during the height of the COVID pandemic. Fortunately, science and technology in the hands of scientists at pharmaceutical companies paved the way ultimately to reduce infections and deaths. Government incentives helped the cause and solution.

Technologies exist today, if properly integrated, to help reduce and even eliminate mass shootings --- at least help to deter the shooter. These technologies, to my knowledge, haven't addressed the mass shootings as I propose. There now exist technologies to dispatch drones from rooftops of buildings triggered by motion detectors on the ground; smell-trained dogs that patrol people and baggage at airports; metal detectors in government buildings and at airports; insect drones the size of a fingernail that can fly in swarms that are controlled or programmed by humans.

I would like signatures on this petition to invite the government and private companies to provide incentives to use a combination of technologies (like the above) to deter and prevent mass shootings.

In schools, I see drones positioned in their chargers on rooftops or within corridors in buildings. Motion detectors and metal detectors trigger their movement to the location of the threat. Within the building they come down in swarms on the intruder emitting a siren sound while sending notifications to law enforcement and teachers in the schools. Outside of the building, larger drones come down as well; but maybe able to spray the intruder. Throughout the day and at random, drones will patrol the outside of the buildings to deter intruders.

Similar drone activities and safeguards can be used in any building, airport, concert hall, theme park, etc. A marketing campaign by the media and the government and municipalities would help educate and deter an individual from even thinking of a mass shooting.

Multimillionaires and billionaires are also invited to pool their resources to modify and improve on my suggestions. Is it a Warren Buffett, Bill Gates, Musk, Mark Cuban passion? I don't know; but it would help our children, and parents, and concert goers feel safe when walking the streets and attending large gathering events.

I urge all to share and modify my thoughts for mankind to benefit. Sign the petition, send it to your government officials, or network of entrepreneurs.

Someone categorized three kinds of people in the world as:

1. Someone who makes things happen!

2. Someone who watches what happened!

3. Someone who wondered what happened!

Together, just maybe, the signers of this petition can make this happen. The link with the overview and instructions for signing the petition follow:

Petition * Integrated Technology using Drones to Reduce and Eliminate Mass Killings * Change.org (http://www.change.org/StopMassShooters)

So rather than an attempt to fix the root cause just provide an ability to somewhat live with it? Ummm no . That's idea will do nothing more than create more range of excuses and complaints

GOLFER54
06-12-2022, 07:04 AM
Our government has spent billions on trying to control the illegal drugs and guns that come into our country,and it seems they barely make a dent. Criminals do not go and purchase guns, they get them from other criminals. Those that purchase guns legally have to answer a questionnaire asking citizenship,arrest record to mental health, etc.Anyone who wants a gun will never check off that they are mentally unstable, and the background check the government does will not show that he or she has mental problems. So the gun that he or she now will receive depends on how that person intends to use it. Protect oneself and family from a criminal or become a criminal themselves.

jammaiora
06-12-2022, 07:11 AM
This morning I posted a petition to address the mass shootings and to request signatures on change.org. My link is accessible by clicking on the web address that follows this overview.

My Overview

Staying Alive has become a crap shoot not knowing if a mass shooter is arriving at a school or university, concert, airport, office, manufacturing building, or government building. What defense does one have as a victim of such a shooter? What causes the shooter to justify such behavior? Is it caused by school bullying, medical issues, violence from TV programs, social media, etc?

Staying Alive was also a crap shoot during the height of the COVID pandemic. Fortunately, science and technology in the hands of scientists at pharmaceutical companies paved the way ultimately to reduce infections and deaths. Government incentives helped the cause and solution.

Technologies exist today, if properly integrated, to help reduce and even eliminate mass shootings --- at least help to deter the shooter. These technologies, to my knowledge, haven't addressed the mass shootings as I propose. There now exist technologies to dispatch drones from rooftops of buildings triggered by motion detectors on the ground; smell-trained dogs that patrol people and baggage at airports; metal detectors in government buildings and at airports; insect drones the size of a fingernail that can fly in swarms that are controlled or programmed by humans.

I would like signatures on this petition to invite the government and private companies to provide incentives to use a combination of technologies (like the above) to deter and prevent mass shootings.

In schools, I see drones positioned in their chargers on rooftops or within corridors in buildings. Motion detectors and metal detectors trigger their movement to the location of the threat. Within the building they come down in swarms on the intruder emitting a siren sound while sending notifications to law enforcement and teachers in the schools. Outside of the building, larger drones come down as well; but maybe able to spray the intruder. Throughout the day and at random, drones will patrol the outside of the buildings to deter intruders.

Similar drone activities and safeguards can be used in any building, airport, concert hall, theme park, etc. A marketing campaign by the media and the government and municipalities would help educate and deter an individual from even thinking of a mass shooting.

Multimillionaires and billionaires are also invited to pool their resources to modify and improve on my suggestions. Is it a Warren Buffett, Bill Gates, Musk, Mark Cuban passion? I don't know; but it would help our children, and parents, and concert goers feel safe when walking the streets and attending large gathering events.

I urge all to share and modify my thoughts for mankind to benefit. Sign the petition, send it to your government officials, or network of entrepreneurs.

Someone categorized three kinds of people in the world as:

1. Someone who makes things happen!

2. Someone who watches what happened!

3. Someone who wondered what happened!

Together, just maybe, the signers of this petition can make this happen. The link with the overview and instructions for signing the petition follow:

Petition * Integrated Technology using Drones to Reduce and Eliminate Mass Killings * Change.org (http://www.change.org/StopMassShooters)
The problem is there are more guns in the USA than people - 110 guns for every 100 persons. GW Bush and his party let the assault weapon ban expire and gun violence skyrocketed after. We need Federal laws on Red Flag, gun registration, 21 years old, waiting periods, gun use training, and assault rifle ban (AR 15 type). That would be a start!

airstreamingypsy
06-12-2022, 07:13 AM
More technology, more government control, more loss of personal freedom. Really? How about we put Jesus back in schools, fathers back in homes, and eliminate violent movies and video games that treat the taking of human life so flippantly?

You love that 2nd amendment, that has been so bastardized from its original intent, but not that pesky separation of church and state? Jesus belongs in Sunday school, children should not be indoctrinated to any religion in school....

Langwelld
06-12-2022, 07:19 AM
If you're using drones to stop active shooters, then you've already lost. The focus should be on -preventing- those shooters from getting the guns, and then from getting them to the property where they plan on doing the shooting. Once they're already there, you're WAY too late.

Drones are a way to normalize mass shooting. It escalates the violence, it doesn't prevent it. When you "harden the doors" they'll just use weapons that can shoot through doors, or acids that can burn locks. When you send in heavily-armored guards, you'll encourage shooters to bring guns that have ammunition that can pierce armor. When you bring in drones that can detect shooters, you give shooters incentive to become better at hiding themselves, making it harder to detect them.

No - that isn't the solution. The solution is to REDUCE RISK of shooters existing in the first place. Universal background checks is a good start.
I wish we could ban guns, but we have seen that to be impossible. You just create a black market. Look at alcohol prohibition. Doesn’t work.

MrFlorida
06-12-2022, 07:23 AM
AK-15 could blow those drones out of the air in no time.

I would use a shotgun, there is no such thing as an AK15, know your guns before posting.

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meridian5850
06-12-2022, 07:52 AM
AK-15 could blow those drones out of the air in no time.

An AR-47, too.

Marine1974
06-12-2022, 07:55 AM
The leaders in Washington should ban the sales of these military type weapons and ammunition immediately unless they want more of these mass shootings .The question is who are you kidding if you think you need or entitled to own an assault rifle . Your part of the problem. For those that conceal and carry and start firing at a shooter and miss and kill innocent people you should go to jail . The second you pull your weapon (amateurs ) you put all of us in danger . It’s obvious gun owners drive the manufacture of these weapons . Their weapons are more important to them than are children being slaughtered , sadly .

Marine1974
06-12-2022, 08:00 AM
AK-15
7.62mm Kalashnikov Assault Rifle
Robust. Accurate. Versatile.
Larger caliber, better ergonomics, higher accuracy. AK-15 has all the merits of this iteration and uses widespread caliber which provides great selection of ammunition types in 7.62x39mm for your unrivalled performance at the shooting range and in combat.
The 7.62mm AK-15 Kalashnikov assault rifle is the result of a comprehensive approach in Small Arms design and efficiency based on

Jameson
06-12-2022, 08:04 AM
Hollywood always jumps into the gun debate typically promoting taking everyone's guns. Yet when I turn on the TV I see a whole bunch of shows with gun violence and especially a lot of SWAT type shows using AR-15s. Just about every mass shooter has been dressed like a SWAT member equipped with an AR-15.

The other piece that is missing is an open discussion of the backgrounds of the shooters dysfunctional home life and prescription drug treatments. Many (if not all) have been on SSRI's or other drugs and stopped taking them with bad results.

Joe C.
06-12-2022, 08:16 AM
When the "gun problem" (it's really a person problem) is taken care of, then the mass shooter will just get themself a flame thrower. And you can buy them right now....no permit, no background check, no nothing.
It will be the same problem with a different delivery.

nhtexasrn
06-12-2022, 08:19 AM
This morning I posted a petition to address the mass shootings and to request signatures on change.org. My link is accessible by clicking on the web address that follows this overview.

My Overview

Staying Alive has become a crap shoot not knowing if a mass shooter is arriving at a school or university, concert, airport, office, manufacturing building, or government building. What defense does one have as a victim of such a shooter? What causes the shooter to justify such behavior? Is it caused by school bullying, medical issues, violence from TV programs, social media, etc?

Staying Alive was also a crap shoot during the height of the COVID pandemic. Fortunately, science and technology in the hands of scientists at pharmaceutical companies paved the way ultimately to reduce infections and deaths. Government incentives helped the cause and solution.

Technologies exist today, if properly integrated, to help reduce and even eliminate mass shootings --- at least help to deter the shooter. These technologies, to my knowledge, haven't addressed the mass shootings as I propose. There now exist technologies to dispatch drones from rooftops of buildings triggered by motion detectors on the ground; smell-trained dogs that patrol people and baggage at airports; metal detectors in government buildings and at airports; insect drones the size of a fingernail that can fly in swarms that are controlled or programmed by humans.

I would like signatures on this petition to invite the government and private companies to provide incentives to use a combination of technologies (like the above) to deter and prevent mass shootings.

In schools, I see drones positioned in their chargers on rooftops or within corridors in buildings. Motion detectors and metal detectors trigger their movement to the location of the threat. Within the building they come down in swarms on the intruder emitting a siren sound while sending notifications to law enforcement and teachers in the schools. Outside of the building, larger drones come down as well; but maybe able to spray the intruder. Throughout the day and at random, drones will patrol the outside of the buildings to deter intruders.

Similar drone activities and safeguards can be used in any building, airport, concert hall, theme park, etc. A marketing campaign by the media and the government and municipalities would help educate and deter an individual from even thinking of a mass shooting.

Multimillionaires and billionaires are also invited to pool their resources to modify and improve on my suggestions. Is it a Warren Buffett, Bill Gates, Musk, Mark Cuban passion? I don't know; but it would help our children, and parents, and concert goers feel safe when walking the streets and attending large gathering events.

I urge all to share and modify my thoughts for mankind to benefit. Sign the petition, send it to your government officials, or network of entrepreneurs.

Someone categorized three kinds of people in the world as:

1. Someone who makes things happen!

2. Someone who watches what happened!

3. Someone who wondered what happened!

Together, just maybe, the signers of this petition can make this happen. The link with the overview and instructions for signing the petition follow:

Petition * Integrated Technology using Drones to Reduce and Eliminate Mass Killings * Change.org (http://www.change.org/StopMassShooters)
Well, so much for a restroom hall pass at school! lol !! What about the janitor, or the mom who comes to the school to speak to a teacher or principal? What about the outside maintenance people at the school or public building? A motion detection insect drone is going to tell the difference? I know insect drone technology exists, but swarms of insect drones that attack and spray an intruder? Don't drones need someone operating them?

Johnsocat
06-12-2022, 08:28 AM
I think we need to change the paradigm on what a gun actually is and what it's purpose is...
A gun (all guns) are simply tools.
Tools to hunt food with, tools to defend yourself with and tools defined in our Constitution to protect us, if need be, against a tyrannical government. There are other tools we could use to accomplish these purposes, but logic dictates you use the "best" tool for the job.
Current school policy is to send teachers and children into a locked room to hunker down until help arrives. Basically fish in a barrel whose lives depend upon a school resource officer and the response time of the local police force. This doesn't make sense to me, it is totally reactive and lacks any personal responsibility for their own safety.
Detetence through strength has been a proven policy of our Nation's military for as long as I can remember. No one wants to fight a battle they know they are likely to lose. Perhaps the fact so many citizens have weapons for defense are the reason no one has ever tried to invade our country... ?
I believe every classroom should have a gun contained in a biometric holster attached to the inside of their desks. They can be programmed with several finger prints or a key to release the gun in the case of an active shooter incident, allowing the teacher access to the tool needed to protect both themselves and those are responsible for.
Guns are tools, emergency equipment just like fire extinguishers and fire suppression systems. Used to combat a different kind of deadly threat.
It makes no sense to cower, defenseless, in a classroom with one armed person with evil intent.
We can change these horrible outcomes by providing these emergency tools to the adults who have the responsibility to care for and protect our children during school hours.
The perception that guns are a bad thing needs to be changed... they are in the simplest of terms, a tool. And the only tool, proven effective in these types of situations.
A last defense to protect life and limb in the classrooms when all other defensive planning has failed.

Marine1974
06-12-2022, 08:33 AM
Hey Mr Florida, The main difference between the AK-74M and the AK-12/15 appears to be the new rifles are set up to accommodate weapon accessories that have become must-haves in modern, high-tech armies. The AK-12/15 features two Picatinny rails, an accessory mounting system invented by the U.S. Army’s Picatinny Arsenal for attaching items such as rifle scopes, red dot sights, and laser pointers. The AK-12/15 features a second rail under the barrel for attaching a vertical foregrip. The new rifles also have what appears to be an M-4 carbine-style buffer tube for attaching buttstocks and adjusting the weapon’s length of pull.

Daxdog
06-12-2022, 09:24 AM
Putting Jesus back in schools, fathers back in homes and eliminating violent movies and video games (lol) are all useless when it comes to reducing mass shootings. The only things that work are fewer guns that are harder to get. Evidence from numerous other countries proves this. An 18-year-old in the USA can't buy alcohol, lawn darts or a Kinder Surprise but they can buy a weapon of war. Totally stupid priorities.
How about just lock the door! That may have stopped the Texas shooter. It’s almost a no win situation, if they don’t have guns they will use a knife, or just blow the place up. Like Seth Rogen said that is the price you pay. That man is a jerk. Cops will always be one step behind the bad guy. No saying there is nothing we can do, but if open carry was the law of the land I think that could solve a lot of problems, not all, not by a long shot. Red flag laws, will we had a shooting on Ft Bragg that all his supervisors knew was a nut case but afraid to report because it would make them look like a racist. Maybe we should have another branch of the military that trains and posts guards at every school or large public gatherings, that would be real “HomeLand Security”. I’m done go ahead a bitch at me!

rockyhyder
06-12-2022, 09:29 AM
I think you are over stating the possibility of drones. Do you know what a drone pilot is? Do you know how many would be needed?
The guns are what kill people in any mass shooting. Stop sidestepping the real issue.

It’s actually people who kill other people. In some cases they use a gun, others use cars, planes, bombs, etc. Accurately defining the problem is necessary in order to identify solutions.

jdulej
06-12-2022, 09:35 AM
It’s actually people who kill other people. In some cases they use a gun, others use cars, planes, bombs, etc. Accurately defining the problem is necessary in order to identify solutions.

There seems to be no lack of crazies or zealots willing to kill, either to make some point or just for the fun of it. Why not make if more and more difficult for those people to get hold of weapons of mass destruction instead of easier and easier?

Taltarzac725
06-12-2022, 10:15 AM
There seems to be no lack of crazies or zealots willing to kill, either to make some point or just for the fun of it. Why not make if more and more difficult for those people to get hold of weapons of mass destruction instead of easier and easier?

It is that simple. Red flag laws, crackdowns on bullying and cyberbullying, watching neighbors and friends for odd behavior, trigger locks, gun safes, gun safety training, etc. And more understanding of mental health problems....

jdulej
06-12-2022, 10:16 AM
I was against this at first, but it might knock some sense into some people. Mainstream media should be required to show pictures of the casualties from mass killings. When a single shot from one of these weapons results in so much damage that DNA analysis is needed to identify the victim, I think we have crossed a line of what a reasonable person would consider a reasonable weapon for a run-of-the-mill citizen to be able to own.

Taltarzac725
06-12-2022, 10:20 AM
I was against this at first, but it might knock some sense into some people. Mainstream media should be required to show pictures of the casualties from mass killings. When a single shot from one of these weapons results in so much damage that DNA analysis is needed to identify the victim, I think we have crossed a line of what a reasonable person would consider a reasonable weapon for a run-of-the-mill citizen to be able to own.

That would be very hard on the victims' families.

And I do not know if it would do much good stopping the depraved individuals who do these crimes.

JMintzer
06-12-2022, 11:02 AM
The problem is there are more guns in the USA than people - 110 guns for every 100 persons. GW Bush and his party let the assault weapon ban expire and gun violence skyrocketed after. We need Federal laws on Red Flag, gun registration, 21 years old, waiting periods, gun use training, and assault rifle ban (AR 15 type). That would be a start!

After your first sentence, pretty much every thing you posted was incorrect...

zendog3
06-12-2022, 11:28 AM
Mass shootings are typically done by weapons designed for that purpose. I think it would be great fun to blaze away a few hundred rounds at targets, so I don't object to people owning and using them. But those weapons designed for mass killing are obviously too deadly for anyone be allowed to use anytime, and anywhere, they want. Owners of AR-15 type weapons should be required to store them in armories and use them at restricted gun ranges.

Joe C.
06-12-2022, 12:37 PM
The right to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed.

People NEED to understand what infringed means.

There will always be criminals. They will always break the law. And when seconds count, the police can be there within minutes.

Lindsyburnsy
06-12-2022, 01:27 PM
This was already declined because of possible abuse of the technology. Sending a petition out to a large conservative group of citizens before they understand the consequences is an overstep in my opinion.

waterflower
06-12-2022, 06:52 PM
defund the c i a ... mind control program there are many...defund big pharma drugs

OrangeBlossomBaby
06-12-2022, 07:12 PM
The right to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed.

People NEED to understand what infringed means.

There will always be criminals. They will always break the law. And when seconds count, the police can be there within minutes.

You forgot the first part. Here's the whole sentence:

A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed.
(from the actual Constitution)

The point of the amendment was to prevent the need of the the country to have a professional standing army. Members of the militia, who were just individual citizens, had to use their own personal weapons. The 2nd amendment gave them the right to possess and carry their own weapons to use when they were called on to serve, so that the government didn't have to fund an arsenal. That's why 2a was written.

It was never intended to be used outside "militia business." It turned into that later on, but that isn't why the amendment was written.

At the time, in the "wild wild west" most towns outlawed possession of guns if you weren't a deputy or member of the Sheriff's office or other town official. You'd have to check your weapon when you entered the town, get a chit, and then turn the chit in when you left to get your weapon back.

You can check on the historic "Gunfight at the OK Corral" (which didn't actually happen at the corral) for some history on ordinances prohibiting the possession of firearms in towns.

JMintzer
06-12-2022, 08:28 PM
Mass shootings are typically done by weapons designed for that purpose. I think it would be great fun to blaze away a few hundred rounds at targets, so I don't object to people owning and using them. But those weapons designed for mass killing are obviously too deadly for anyone be allowed to use anytime, and anywhere, they want. Owners of AR-15 type weapons should be required to store them in armories and use them at restricted gun ranges.

Please explain the Va Tech shooting, where 33 ADULT students were killed with 2 handguns... Or the Charleston Church shooting...

JMintzer
06-12-2022, 08:33 PM
You forgot the first part. Here's the whole sentence:


(from the actual Constitution)

The point of the amendment was to prevent the need of the the country to have a professional standing army. Members of the militia, who were just individual citizens, had to use their own personal weapons. The 2nd amendment gave them the right to possess and carry their own weapons to use when they were called on to serve, so that the government didn't have to fund an arsenal. That's why 2a was written.

It was never intended to be used outside "militia business." It turned into that later on, but that isn't why the amendment was written.

At the time, in the "wild wild west" most towns outlawed possession of guns if you weren't a deputy or member of the Sheriff's office or other town official. You'd have to check your weapon when you entered the town, get a chit, and then turn the chit in when you left to get your weapon back.

You can check on the historic "Gunfight at the OK Corral" (which didn't actually happen at the corral) for some history on ordinances prohibiting the possession of firearms in towns.

If you want to be historically, the "Wild West" was fiction, the writings of dime store novelists...

And nowhere in the Constitution, nor in the writings of it's authors, did they talk of citizens being "called on to serve"...

What they did talk about was protection from a tyrannical government...

MDLNB
06-13-2022, 05:45 AM
Updated May 9, 2022 Heritage.org:
"According to the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention, almost every major study on defensive gun use has found that Americans use their firearms defensively between 500,000 and 3 million times each year. There’s good reason to believe that most defensive gun uses are never reported to law enforcement, much less picked up by local or national media outlets. "
There's plenty of research done on bad and good uses of guns in America, but the anti-gun folks (scared of the big bad guns) focus on the school shootings more than anything else, such as gang/drug shootings for example. Maybe they are just racist?
Off subject but sort of related, America maintains an arsenal of nuclear weapons but enjoys telling other countries that they must either NOT have them or must limit the size and quantity of them. You can make of that statement what you wish. Just a thought.
Now, how many school shootings do you think you could eliminate IF all public schools had ten foot fences around them with an armed security checking IDs at the gate? Perhaps even using a metal detector? Well, you do not hear of many (if any) mass shootings within the inner cities that have security fences to keep the drug pushers out. Some physical security is not that expensive. But, why not spend some money on physical security? Shoot, some states have "Education" lotteries where the revenues from the State Lottery goes to building and maintaining public schools.
The type of guns used in shootings does not matter if the perp is deterred by making it impossible or difficult to get to the target. Bad guys prefer soft targets.
You can't always predict when a person is going to lose their mind and become violent. You cannot take away folks rights based on theory or the acts of a minority group of mental cases. If an average of a million folks in our country are saved every year by guns, then why would you think that by taking away the "good guy's" gun it would make good people safer?
It ain't hard folks. A tall fence and a guard or two and maybe even some security cameras really won't break the budget. But, it could save some children's lives while you all figure out how to do the "Minority Report" movie idea of predicting when a crime is going to be committed and who is going to do it, so you can violate someone's rights and arrest them before they break the law.

Sarah_W
06-13-2022, 08:20 AM
The problem is there are more guns in the USA than people - 110 guns for every 100 persons. GW Bush and his party let the assault weapon ban expire and gun violence skyrocketed after. We need Federal laws on Red Flag, gun registration, 21 years old, waiting periods, gun use training, and assault rifle ban (AR 15 type). That would be a start!

The problem is people who are easily manipulated to believe falsehoods and lies. Please do the research and get the facts rather simply believe what is spoon fed by the media.

Gun deaths in the U.S.: 10 key questions answered | Pew Research Center (https://www.pewresearch.org/fact-tank/2022/02/03/what-the-data-says-about-gun-deaths-in-the-u-s/)

FBI statistics are good sources of data.

Fact: Gun violence is an undefined term. Words are selected to skew the impact of an event. Gun deaths would cover all deaths related to firearms. Gun murders would be self explanatory.

Fact: IN 2020, 54% of all gun related deaths were suicide. Yet, those numbers are included in "gun violence". Someone committed to ending their own life will do it regardless of the method. Japan is a prime example of that.

Fact: Since 1980 our population has increased by 45% from 227M to 329M. Every statistic will have increased so it must be put into context.

Fact. In 1974 the murder rate was 7.2 per 100,000. The murder rate steadily fell, not skyrocketed, until 2020 when it began to climb again to 6.2 per 100,000, still below 1974. That rise is likely tied to the pandemic.

The bottom line is murder by firearm is lower per capita than 1974. When someone proclaims that it has skyrocketed it is clearly a case of not doing the research but simply believing the narrative of someone with a political agenda. The truth is the truth.

JMintzer
06-13-2022, 09:59 AM
The problem is people who are easily manipulated to believe falsehoods and lies. Please do the research and get the facts rather simply believe what is spoon fed by the media.

Gun deaths in the U.S.: 10 key questions answered | Pew Research Center (https://www.pewresearch.org/fact-tank/2022/02/03/what-the-data-says-about-gun-deaths-in-the-u-s/)

FBI statistics are good sources of data.

Fact: Gun violence is an undefined term. Words are selected to skew the impact of an event. Gun deaths would cover all deaths related to firearms. Gun murders would be self explanatory.

Fact: IN 2020, 54% of all gun related deaths were suicide. Yet, those numbers are included in "gun violence". Someone committed to ending their own life will do it regardless of the method. Japan is a prime example of that.

Fact: Since 1980 our population has increased by 45% from 227M to 329M. Every statistic will have increased so it must be put into context.

Fact. In 1974 the murder rate was 7.2 per 100,000. The murder rate steadily fell, not skyrocketed, until 2020 when it began to climb again to 6.2 per 100,000, still below 1974. That rise is likely tied to the pandemic.

The bottom line is murder by firearm is lower per capita than 1974. When someone proclaims that it has skyrocketed it is clearly a case of not doing the research but simply believing the narrative of someone with a political agenda. The truth is the truth.

:bigbow::bigbow::bigbow:

Sarah_W
06-13-2022, 07:20 PM
You forgot the first part. Here's the whole sentence:


(from the actual Constitution)

The point of the amendment was to prevent the need of the the country to have a professional standing army. Members of the militia, who were just individual citizens, had to use their own personal weapons. The 2nd amendment gave them the right to possess and carry their own weapons to use when they were called on to serve, so that the government didn't have to fund an arsenal. That's why 2a was written.

It was never intended to be used outside "militia business." It turned into that later on, but that isn't why the amendment was written.

At the time, in the "wild wild west" most towns outlawed possession of guns if you weren't a deputy or member of the Sheriff's office or other town official. You'd have to check your weapon when you entered the town, get a chit, and then turn the chit in when you left to get your weapon back.

You can check on the historic "Gunfight at the OK Corral" (which didn't actually happen at the corral) for some history on ordinances prohibiting the possession of firearms in towns.

Not even close, I'm afraid. Our Founding Fathers coped with a tyrannical government for decades and then fought an 8 year war with the most powerful standing army of their time. They were not in favor of America having a standing Army and they were not in favor of a strong central government becoming tyrannical inevitably.

It was debated whether to have Rights written into the Constitution but the fear was that it would be too limiting. Instead, they create a process to add amendments. There were states who did not want a strong federal government, they were the anti-federalists. But, there was pressure to ratify the Constitution and it had to be unanimous. States demanded a Bill of Rights before they would agree to this new government.

James Madison and George Mason adapted the Virginia Bill of Rights and sent them to the House of Representatives. There were 17 Amendments. The House changed some wording, etc. and sent them to the Senate. The Senate worked on the Amendments and sent the final 12 to the States for ratification. The states ratified 10 of the Amendments which became our Bill of Rights.

Two did not get approved by the states. The original 1st Amendment did not get passed by the States. It involved how the members of Congress would be selected. Had they past that Amendment we would have over 6,000 members of Congress today. No thanks!

The original 2nd Amendment had to do with paying members of Congress. It read: "No law, varying the compensation for the services of the Senators and Representatives, shall take effect, until an election of Representatives shall have intervened." That Amendment finally did get passed in 1992. Over 200 years after it was sent to he states.

The original 3rd Amendment became what we call the 1st Amendment. The original 4th Amendment became what we call the 2nd Amendment.

When these were first written and sent to the House they were "Articles, not Amendments".

It is interesting to note that the original text sent to the House on the right to keep and bear arms read like this:

"A well regulated militia, composed of the body of the people, being the best security of a free state, the right of the people to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed, but no one religiously scrupulous of bearing arms, shall be compelled to render military service in person." It was modified to what we now call the 2nd Amendment.

"A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed."

Sadly, most Americans today are not well versed in our Constitution and that is concerning. How do we protect something we no longer fully understand and in many cases don't even thing about? I find too many people simply don't understand the words as they were written in 1787. Our Founding Fathers debated at length every single concept of our Freedom documents. They chose every single word carefully. If you really want to know what the words mean you need to consult Samuel Johnson's Dictionary. That two volume set of books defines every word used by the Framers.

I have nearly 70 books in my personal collection just on the Constitution and our Founding Fathers. Half of them are over 100 years old. My oldest is Samuel Johnson's Dictionary printed in 1785, the very dictionary that they used. I have Montesquiue's Spirit of Laws printed in 1793 (6th edition) which is how the Framers defined the separation of powers.

I am all for having an intellectual conversation about the Declaration of Independence, the Constitution, The Bill of Rights, and other important writings of the period. But would insist on doing it factually, honestly, and respectfully.