Almost Too Much Snow

[sounding]

How is this possible during global warming? ... ‘There’s almost too much snow’: Snowfall breaks 44-year record on Queen’s Birthday long weekend (https://www.theage.com.au/national/victoria/there-s-almost-too-much-snow-snowfall-breaks-44-year-record-on-queen-s-birthday-long-weekend-20220611-p5at14.html)

[stevecmo]

:popcorn::popcorn::popcorn:

[MartinSE]

Is there any point to this thread other than baiting and trolling?

The question has been answered millions of times in millions of places, and if you honestly believe it is a serious question, I feel sorry for you.

[Bogie Shooter]

Exit.

[Arctic Fox]

On a related topic, I read that the average car's fuel economy has increased 6.1% since 2004, but my old clunker is still giving me 20 mpg. Can I sue Geico for $5.1million?

[Michael G.]

Is there any point to this thread other than baiting and trolling?

The question has been answered millions of times in millions of places, and if you honestly believe it is a serious question, I feel sorry for you.

Why do you people have to be so snarky?
Obvious it's important enough to the poster, so either read it, don't read it and move on
without the remarks.

[Kenswing]

One thing about the internet is you can always find an article to push an agenda.

More Than 70 Million Bake In Record-Breaking Southwest Heat Wave—And It’s Pushing East (https://www.forbes.com/sites/nicholasreimann/2022/06/11/more-than-70-million-bake-in-record-breaking-southwest-heat-wave-and-its-pushing-east/amp/)

[Kenswing]

Is there any point to this thread other than baiting and trolling?

The question has been answered millions of times in millions of places, and if you honestly believe it is a serious question, I feel sorry for you.

:1rotfl::1rotfl::1rotfl:

[Stu from NYC]

On a related topic, I read that the average car's fuel economy has increased 6.1% since 2004, but my old clunker is still giving me 20 mpg. Can I sue Geico for $5.1million?

Only if you had sex in the car and infected the female in some way.

BTW average fuel economy has increase by a lot more than 6.1% since 2004.

[MartinSE]

Why do you people have to be so snarky?
Obvious it's important enough to the poster, so either read it, don't read it and move on
without the remarks.

So, why do you people have to be so snarky, read it don’t read it move on.

I thought this was a place to discuss things. I find always discussing things with people that agree with me boring. I hope to find people here that want to discuss things that disagree with me.

You should try it.

[Two Bills]

So, why do you people have to be so snarky, read it don’t read it move on.

I thought this was a place to discuss things. I find always discussing things with people that agree with me boring. I hope to find people here that want to discuss things that disagree with me.

You should try it.

Podiatrist's always seem to disagree with you!:icon_wink:

[Keefelane66]

How is this possible during global warming? ... ‘There’s almost too much snow’: Snowfall breaks 44-year record on Queen’s Birthday long weekend (https://www.theage.com.au/national/victoria/there-s-almost-too-much-snow-snowfall-breaks-44-year-record-on-queen-s-birthday-long-weekend-20220611-p5at14.html)
Considering Mt Buller is in the southern hemisphere known for sking the winter solstice is either the 20th or 21st it should be expected elevation is 5249 feet.

[Michael G.]

I thought this was a place to discuss things.

You commit to the poster wasn't even close to discussing things.

I find always discussing things with people that agree with me boring.

Then maybe you on the wrong website.

[JMintzer]

So, why do you people have to be so snarky, read it don’t read it move on.

I thought this was a place to discuss things. I find always discussing things with people that agree with me boring. I hope to find people here that want to discuss things that disagree with me.

You should try it.

Then why respond with this?

"Is there any point to this thread other than baiting and trolling?

The question has been answered millions of times in millions of places, and if you honestly believe it is a serious question, I feel sorry for you."

Isn't this a place to, in your words, "discuss things"?




P.S. Hope this makes "Two Bills" happy...

P.P.S. I eagerly await his analysis of the "post count" this thread generates...

[kkingston57]

Considering Mt Buller is in the southern hemisphere known for sking the winter solstice is either the 20th or 21st it should be expected elevation is 5249 feet.

Good objective response to a weather ?

[kenoc7]

How is this possible during global warming? ... ‘There’s almost too much snow’: Snowfall breaks 44-year record on Queen’s Birthday long weekend (https://www.theage.com.au/national/victoria/there-s-almost-too-much-snow-snowfall-breaks-44-year-record-on-queen-s-birthday-long-weekend-20220611-p5at14.html)

Actually extreme weather is proof of global warming.

[jswirs]

Why do you people have to be so snarky?
Obvious it's important enough to the poster, so either read it, don't read it and move on
without the remarks.
Basically because those people you are referring to are discontent, for some reason. I see and hear it regularly. "Happiness is a decision, not the result of some condition". All said IMHO.

[GRACEALLEMAN]

How is this possible during global warming? ... ‘There’s almost too much snow’: Snowfall breaks 44-year record on Queen’s Birthday long weekend (https://www.theage.com.au/national/victoria/there-s-almost-too-much-snow-snowfall-breaks-44-year-record-on-queen-s-birthday-long-weekend-20220611-p5at14.html)
What did you forget? It's called climate change now

[GRACEALLEMAN]

What did you forget? It's called climate change now

[Stu from NYC]

Actually extreme weather is proof of global warming.

Proof??? How scientific.

[La lamy]

"One of the most visible consequences of a warming world is an increase in the intensity and frequency of extreme weather events. The National Climate Assessment finds that the number of heat waves, heavy downpours, and major hurricanes has increased in the United States, and the strength of these events has increased too." Extreme Weather and Climate Change - Center for Climate and Energy SolutionsCenter for Climate and Energy Solutions (https://www.c2es.org/content/extreme-weather-and-climate-change/)

[Bay Kid]

The only I want to see is in my drink.

[toeser]

How is this possible during global warming? ... ‘There’s almost too much snow’: Snowfall breaks 44-year record on Queen’s Birthday long weekend (https://www.theage.com.au/national/victoria/there-s-almost-too-much-snow-snowfall-breaks-44-year-record-on-queen-s-birthday-long-weekend-20220611-p5at14.html)

Apparently you are unfamiliar with the rules of reporting.

If a season somewhere in the world is colder than normal, sometimes even far colder than normal, that's weather. If there is a heat wave someplace, that is more evidence of climate change.

It was well reported that 2021 was the third worst year for the number of hurricanes. However, that was just for the U.S. Worldwide, 2021 had the lowest number of hurricanes in decades. Did you read that anywhere?

I don't dispute climate change, but I object to news coverage with an agenda.

[jammaiora]

How is this possible during global warming? ... ‘There’s almost too much snow’: Snowfall breaks 44-year record on Queen’s Birthday long weekend (https://www.theage.com.au/national/victoria/there-s-almost-too-much-snow-snowfall-breaks-44-year-record-on-queen-s-birthday-long-weekend-20220611-p5at14.html)
First of all, this happened in Australia, which is starting their winter season. Secondly, do some research on Global Warming/Climate Change. Global Warming/Climate Change doesn't mean that we are never going to see snow again. Partly, it means that we are going to continue to see extreme weather patterns/conditions.

[airstreamingypsy]

Why do you people have to be so snarky?
Obvious it's important enough to the poster, so either read it, don't read it and move on
without the remarks.

Hahahahahaha.... oh wait, you were serious? The OP is trolling...... if the OP really wanted to learn about global warming, Google is at his fingertips.

[mtdjed]

[QUOTE=JMintzer;2105587]Then why respond with this?

"Is there any point to this thread other than baiting and trolling?

The question has been answered millions of times in millions of places, and if you honestly believe it is a serious question, I feel sorry for you."

Isn't this a place to, in your words, "discuss things"?

Interesting article. Shows that not all news is appreciated. I agree that the Trolls were bated and responded in their normal fashion. They lie in wait to pounce upon that random person who posts a fact that doesn't exist in their data base and is therefore unacceptable.

[Two Bills]

Really do think that the record snow level would have been something more indicative of a major change in the climate, if it was mid-summer in Australia, and not mid-winter.
Snow in winter, sun in summer is pretty old hat.
Been like that for a long time!

[Retiredsteve]

How is this possible during global warming? ... ‘There’s almost too much snow’: Snowfall breaks 44-year record on Queen’s Birthday long weekend (https://www.theage.com.au/national/victoria/there-s-almost-too-much-snow-snowfall-breaks-44-year-record-on-queen-s-birthday-long-weekend-20220611-p5at14.html) While exactly how Earth’s climate changed during the K-Pg extinction remains under debate, scientists do know that climate change today is both real and caused by human activity. Often omitted from discussions is how they know. Here are the key points leading to their conclusion:
• Air samples show that the atmospheric concentration of carbon dioxide (CO2) is rising on Earth
• CO2 absorbs infrared radiation (heat). Adding more infrared-absorbing compounds, or greenhouse gasses, to Earth’s atmosphere throws off it’s energy balance and causes the planet to absorb more energy.
• This added energy should (among other things) raise the global average temperature, increase ocean temperatures, and spur more extreme weather. Absorbed CO2 should also make the oceans more acidic. All are happening.
• Both modern and ancient air samples – the latter from air bubbles in ice cores reaching back several thousand years-confirm that the CO2 levels have spiked since the Industrial Revolution.
• The rate of atmospheric CO2 increase matches that released by human activities for the same time period.
• The relative amounts of carbon’s three isotopes-carbon 12, carbon 13, and carbon 14, in the atmosphere will be different depending on where the carbon in the CO2 comes from. Volcanoes and the burning of fossil fuels for example, will lead to different proportions of carbon 13 and carbon 14 relative to carbon 12. Chemical analysis of Earth’s atmosphere matches fossil fuels.

Jeffrey Bennett’s A Global Warming Primer.

[zendog3]

Assuming the poster is serious, here is a plausible explanation:

Global warming is an established fact. What we are discussing is not global warming, but global weather change.

Climate is the movement of the atmosphere above the surface of the earth. Put a pot of warm water on a burner on your stove. You can see swirling in the water. Now, turn up the heat. The swirls become deeper and more violent. In earth's atmosphere, those violent heat-induced swirls result in more frequent and violent hurricanes. Some of those violent swirls sweep cold polar down under warmer surface air in lower altitudes causing heavy rain and snow storms.

Heat energy also influences the jetstream, a major factor in climate. Have you noticed that the American west is drying and burning up?

Heat energy also plays havoc with ocean currents which dramatically influence climate - though over a longer period.

Considering that we humans are still releasing more C02 into the air every year, it is safe to say that your grandchildren are likely to experience a much more hostile, perhaps horrible world than we will leave.

[Spalumbos62]

Why do you people have to be so snarky?
Obvious it's important enough to the poster, so either read it, don't read it and move on
without the remarks.

You beat me to the post.
People enjoy "talk" of snow, especially if you are from the north. Maybe this poster likes this topic. But you are right, there are always the naysayers and they seem to be old men. With all the turmoil and killings in the word now, all the Karens' and Kens' one would think these guys go with the flow....nope, miserable as can be...I say.." Go shovel"

[Spalumbos62]

So, why do you people have to be so snarky, read it don’t read it move on.

I thought this was a place to discuss things. I find always discussing things with people that agree with me boring. I hope to find people here that want to discuss things that disagree with me.

You should try it.

You missed the point.

[PugMom]

Good objective response to a weather ?

it could be el nino, or the polar vortex, or current media term of the day 👌

[tvbound]

Probably only second to those who can't distinguish between a massive lie and the truth, is my personal amazement of those who don't understand the definitions of 'climate' and 'weather.'

[Vernon Hud]

The more ice that melts in the summer, means more snow in the winter.

[Sherry8bal]

It's real simple - Global Warming and Climate Change is pure CRAP being told to us by a group of crooked people who are getting rich of this scam.

[MartinSE]

It's real simple - Global Warming and Climate Change is pure CRAP being told to us by a group of crooked people who are getting rich of this scam.

Interesting, you know this is not just being addressed in the US, but almost every other country agrees. So, this "conspiracy" of rich people getting rich off the scan, must include 99% of the scientists all over the world, not just here.

Could you provide any insight into how they are making money off of this?

Oh, and do you have a plan B if you are wrong? Do your kids or grandkids?

[Two Bills]

Interesting, you know this is not just being addressed in the US, but almost every other country agrees. So, this "conspiracy" of rich people getting rich off the scan, must include 99% of the scientists all over the world, not just here.

Could you provide any insight into how they are making money off of this?

Oh, and do you have a plan B if you are wrong? Do your kids or grandkids?

I read somewhere that 72% of scientists disagree that people are responsible for the alleged Climate Change theory.

[Keefelane66]

I read somewhere that 72% of scientists disagree that people are responsible for the alleged Climate Change theory.
72% is a good made-up number if you have an article to reference, please.

[JMintzer]

Interesting, you know this is not just being addressed in the US, but almost every other country agrees. So, this "conspiracy" of rich people getting rich off the scan, must include 99% of the scientists all over the world, not just here.

Could you provide any insight into how they are making money off of this?

Oh, and do you have a plan B if you are wrong? Do your kids or grandkids?

Can you please cite the actual facts that 99% (the claimed # was actually 97%) of scientists believe that?

I've read how they even manipulated that data...

Please Wait... | Cloudflare (https://www.fraserinstitute.org/article/putting-the-con-in-consensus-not-only-is-there-no-97-per-cent-consensus-among-climate-scientists-many-misunderstand-core-issues)

Fact Checking The Claim Of 97% Consensus On Anthropogenic Climate Change (https://www.forbes.com/sites/uhenergy/2016/12/14/fact-checking-the-97-consensus-on-anthropogenic-climate-change/?sh=63aa3acb1157)

[Two Bills]

72% is a good made-up number if you have an article to reference, please.

From the same source as the claim that 99% of scientists agree that climate change is man made.

[Stu from NYC]

The good news is some number of years after we are gone they will be able to figure out how much of global warming was in fact our fault.

[MartinSE]

I read somewhere that 72% of scientists disagree that people are responsible for the alleged Climate Change theory.

Where ever you read it, that is a lie, unless you are counting scientists that are not climatologists.

[DAVES]

How is this possible during global warming? ... ‘There’s almost too much snow’: Snowfall breaks 44-year record on Queen’s Birthday long weekend (https://www.theage.com.au/national/victoria/there-s-almost-too-much-snow-snowfall-breaks-44-year-record-on-queen-s-birthday-long-weekend-20220611-p5at14.html)

The REALITY if we dare to see it. Global warming is a backdoor approach to world government. The PANIC was created by Al Gore. His professor has stated that they had a grant funding the study. They tweaked the facts to have the grant continue. Al Gore turned, global warming into a personal fortune.

Forty years ago the far more minor panic, we did not have Al Gore, the concern was global cooling.

Even the words have been changed. The SCREAM is no longer global warming it has evolved to CLIMATE CHANGE. Climate is always changing.

[MartinSE]

The REALITY if we dare to see it. Global warming is a backdoor approach to world government. The PANIC was created by Al Gore. His professor has stated that they had a grant funding the study. They tweaked the facts to have the grant continue. Al Gore turned, global warming into a personal fortune.

Forty years ago the far more minor panic, we did not have Al Gore, the concern was global cooling.

Even the words have been changed. The SCREAM is no longer global warming it has evolved to CLIMATE CHANGE. Climate is always changing.


LOLOLOLOL!

OMG.

That is great, I needed that. I really try to read all the posts here and learn from them. But, boyee... just wow.

[DAVES]

The good news is some number of years after we are gone they will be able to figure out how much of global warming was in fact our fault.

History of US? I've enjoyed reading old books. Panic, misinformation etc etc etc has been published in studies over and over again. I have a book about 1900 that predicts the end of female virtue due to the bicycle. I have another complete with graphs to give it credibility that if we do not switch to electric trucks always were good for short haul, stop and go deliveries the streets of NYC would have horse manure up to your waist.

When they write about us, surely they will have a laugh about what we thought. Exercise? Books will appear, of course with graphs as to how many people die on the way to the gym and pushing the machines. Bacon and salami? They didn't know were the cure for hydrophobia of the blowhole.

[Topspinmo]

One thing about the internet is you can always find an article to push an agenda.

More Than 70 Million Bake In Record-Breaking Southwest Heat Wave—And It’s Pushing East (https://www.forbes.com/sites/nicholasreimann/2022/06/11/more-than-70-million-bake-in-record-breaking-southwest-heat-wave-and-its-pushing-east/amp/)

It is middle June.

[Topspinmo]

Interesting, you know this is not just being addressed in the US, but almost every other country agrees. So, this "conspiracy" of rich people getting rich off the scan, must include 99% of the scientists all over the world, not just here.

Could you provide any insight into how they are making money off of this?

Oh, and do you have a plan B if you are wrong? Do your kids or grandkids?

Studies and grants, the only way scientists make money.

[Topspinmo]

The good news is some number of years after we are gone they will be able to figure out how much of global warming was in fact our fault.


Why would we care then….

[Worldseries27]

Is the weather person on the rack
and i expect the children of hogwarts are running wild

[MartinSE]

History of US? I've enjoyed reading old books. Panic, misinformation etc etc etc has been published in studies over and over again. I have a book about 1900 that predicts the end of female virtue due to the bicycle. I have another complete with graphs to give it credibility that if we do not switch to electric trucks always were good for short haul, stop and go deliveries the streets of NYC would have horse manure up to your waist.

When they write about us, surely they will have a laugh about what we thought. Exercise? Books will appear, of course with graphs as to how many people die on the way to the gym and pushing the machines. Bacon and salami? They didn't know were the cure for hydrophobia of the blowhole.

Thank you, you have opened my eyes, I didn't think of the scientists in the 1900's. It all makes sense now, all the scientists in the world are wrong. They were wrong once, so, there is no way we can ever trust them again.

[Stu from NYC]

Thank you, you have opened my eyes, I didn't think of the scientists in the 1900's. It all makes sense now, all the scientists in the world are wrong. They were wrong once, so, there is no way we can ever trust them again.

Scientists develop theories and sometimes the theories are correct and are considered scientific laws. Othertime new info emerges and very often scientists have to rethink their previous beliefs.

People used to think that the planets orbited the earth. How did that work out?

[MartinSE]

Scientists develop theories and sometimes the theories are correct and are considered scientific laws. Othertime new info emerges and very often scientists have to rethink their previous beliefs.

People used to think that the planets orbited the earth. How did that work out?

First, theories are demonstratable, hypotheses are ideas.

In science theories are always challenged, seldom does a theory gets thrown out, it gets modified as new evidence shows flaws, which results in an improved theory.

Everyone should rethink their beliefs periodically. We are all prone to believing things we think are true. Scientists on the other hand have a method of updating hypotheses and theories, it's called the Scientific Method. It does not rely on beliefs, or what the janitor's cousin says.

The scientific method has improved a little bit since planets were thought to orbit the earth. And there was a bit of "religion" involved in that also, which is one reason it is so important to separate religion (faith-based beliefs) from science (fact/theory-based beliefs)

[JMintzer]

Why would we care then….

Because I care about what kind of world I'm going to leave for Keith Richards! :1rotfl:

[JMintzer]

First, theories are demonstratable, hypotheses are ideas.

In science theories are always challenged, seldom does a theory gets thrown out, it gets modified as new evidence shows flaws, which results in an improved theory.

Everyone should rethink their beliefs periodically. We are all prone to believing things we think are true. Scientists on the other hand have a method of updating hypotheses and theories, it's called the Scientific Method. It does not rely on beliefs, or what the janitor's cousin says.

The scientific method has improved a little bit since planets were thought to orbit the earth. And there was a bit of "religion" involved in that also, which is one reason it is so important to separate religion (faith-based beliefs) from science (fact/theory-based beliefs)

And there are "Lies, Damn Lies and Statistics"...

[OhioBuckeye]

How is this possible during global warming? ... ‘There’s almost too much snow’: Snowfall breaks 44-year record on Queen’s Birthday long weekend (https://www.theage.com.au/national/victoria/there-s-almost-too-much-snow-snowfall-breaks-44-year-record-on-queen-s-birthday-long-weekend-20220611-p5at14.html)

Seems to me they base it on how much snow & ice is melting on the N. & S. Poles.

[Sandy and Ed]

Why do you people have to be so snarky?
Obvious it's important enough to the poster, so either read it, don't read it and move on
without the remarks.
AMEN. !!!! Makes me want to look at these respondents past posts. Are they all snarky and dismissive?? I wonder.

[MartinSE]

Seems to me they base it on how much snow & ice is melting on the N. & S. Poles.

It is a part of the information considered, but I think it is more a prediction of change that will add to the rate of change. If that makes sense.

Here is a NASA site that provides a lot of information and many links:

Scientific Consensus | Facts – Climate Change: Vital Signs of the Planet (https://climate.nasa.gov/scientific-consensus/)

[MartinSE]

AMEN. !!!! Makes me want to look at these respondents past posts. Are they all snarky and dismissive?? I wonder.

Please do and let us know what you find.

[kkingston57]

It is middle June.

But still springtime.

[Keefelane66]

235 million people in will US experience temperatures in the high 90’s with heat index up to 110° this week, midwest and mid Atlantic regions.

[Stu from NYC]

235 million people in will US experience temperatures in the high 90’s with heat index up to 110° this week, midwest and mid Atlantic regions.

Well it is basically the summer.

[Worldseries27]

Isn't it obvious that climate change will always be a part of earth's future. You cannot stop the earths geological and climate systems. Can you stop the vulcanism that drives this planet ? Can you stop the north and south poles from reversing their polarities and location?
Sure there can be significant attempts to live in as healthy environment as possible. Just realize, as clint once said, " a man's got to know his limitations

[Dennys37Packard]

How is this possible during global warming? ... ‘There’s almost too much snow’: Snowfall breaks 44-year record on Queen’s Birthday long weekend (https://www.theage.com.au/national/victoria/there-s-almost-too-much-snow-snowfall-breaks-44-year-record-on-queen-s-birthday-long-weekend-20220611-p5at14.html)

I get it…”The sky is falling and we must tell the King”. 😃

[carhirsch]

How is this possible during global warming? ... ‘There’s almost too much snow’: Snowfall breaks 44-year record on Queen’s Birthday long weekend (https://www.theage.com.au/national/victoria/there-s-almost-too-much-snow-snowfall-breaks-44-year-record-on-queen-s-birthday-long-weekend-20220611-p5at14.html)
It’s really “global weirding” that we're experiencing.