Pre mature tire wear out on 2020 Quietech

[kkingston57]

Have a 2020 Yamaha Quietech with less than 200 hours on it. In 1st year saw reasonable tire wear on cart. Past couple of months noted that the right front tire is wearing heavily on the inside of the tire. Pressure is good on all 4 tires and this is a lot more severe than when I had a car with mis-aligned tires. Have a friend who had all 4 tires prematurely wear out 2X.

Have been told that Yamaha does have a suspension problem that they know about and will not fix and this IS NOT an alignment problem. Saw an old article/post about this problem and per that post this problem has been corrected in the 2018 model Does anyone have similar issues and if so was their a remedy.

[villagetinker]

Are you sure that someone else driving the cart did not hit something? I did a quick Goolge search and did not see anything on this topic. eems odd that the wear appears after the first year. When parked is the cart level left to right? We hit a curb in our cart, and Willies was able to replace a couple of parts and correctly align, that was well over a year ago and no apparent tire wear (2017 Queitech).

[kkingston57]

Are you sure that someone else driving the cart did not hit something? I did a quick Goolge search and did not see anything on this topic. eems odd that the wear appears after the first year. When parked is the cart level left to right? We hit a curb in our cart, and Willies was able to replace a couple of parts and correctly align, that was well over a year ago and no apparent tire wear (2017 Queitech).f

No one else drives/drove my cart. There are a lot of bumpy roads/cartpaths in TV and that could be the culprit. Thanks for the info. I did do a search and found nothing except for a post 2 years ago on same topic. Per that string Yamaha rectified the problem in the 2018 model.

[village dreamer]

same for my 2021 Yamaha cart, maybe got 2000 miles on my tires.

[Topspinmo]

Lots of thing could be problem. What size are rims, has cart been lifted? With tires straight does one look funny (not pointing straight). What add ons was done? Like heavy rear facing Seats, Curtis cab? Alignment easy to check plenty of utube video’s on how to check. Camber can not be adjusted. Tire pressure and what tires are on it could be aggravating the problem. The suspension was designed for 8 inch rims. 10 inch or bigger are aftermarket add ons.

[KennyP]

Passenger side front tire wearing out is common- and it is related to alignment and tire pressure. I know you said tire pressure is correct, but what do you believe to be the correct pressure.? So many people are told so many different pressures
I know you said its wearing on the inside, but like I said this is common issue, and alignment and proper tire pressure will correct it.

[MSchad]

I have a 2017 with 7500 miles. Normal tire wear. Still have originals on it so question a factory suspension problem. Had a friend that wore out his right front, but he drove it like a go-cart instead of a golf cart.

[tsmall22204]

For God sake, don't take it to a professional repair facility, let these amature trying to be helpful people tell you what to do.

[rrtjp]

For God sake, don't take it to a professional repair facility, let these amature trying to be helpful people tell you what to do.

Maybe the op is just trying to get some helpful insider info from cart owners before he takes it to a “professional repair facility “ and possibly getting ripped off?

[mrf0151]

What brand of tire are you having this issue with? The vast majority of the Yamaha carts in TV have the 205-65 DOT Loadstars. My 2011 Yamaha with those tires lasted 10 years. My 2017 QuieTech has the original Loadstars and they are looking great.
Many owners do not check tire pressure which should be at 22 lbs and checked every 60 days. I have seen friends carts with rapid/irregular tire wear and I ask them what pressure they keep them at and they have no idea as they never check the PSI.
There are some dealers outside of TV selling what they are calling new carts but many are actually carts that have been pulled from fleets early and then resold so you never know how they were treated.

[Blue Oval]

I have fixed this problem on a couple of my neighbor's carts. The first thing I would like to know "is the car frequently driven with only one person in it"? If so, more weight is on the driver's side (naturally) which allows the passenger tire to be actually sliding on the pavement a bit due to excessive toe out. (Think of it making a slight right turn all the time.) Excessive toe out is evidenced by tread wear on the inside of the tread, always the passenger side because of less weight due to one person in the cart. It's an easy fix to adjust the toe in or toe out especially with a helper to hold the other end of a tape measure. I align to nearly no toe out and see how the cart drives, but it may need a very little bit of toe out to drive better. Specs and "How To" info is readily available online.

Tire pressure is a bit of a factor too and should be properly maintained. That said, it's not the huge wear factor as a tire out of align when it should be nearly straight ahead. I fixed one that was 1/2" out of alignment. The owner couldn't believe how much farther it coasted and easier it drove.

[Speedie]

I have same problem on my 2019. Tires wear unevenly, especially pass side front. Yes, I had alignment checked. No improvement.
Solution - buy new tires every 2 years

[Biker Guy CJI]

Call the Golf Cart Guy (352) 805-0450

[kkingston57]

For God sake, don't take it to a professional repair facility, let these amature trying to be helpful people tell you what to do.

Have received two very different opinions from professionals. Was only inquiring if others had same issue. As I said one person told me that this is a problem that Yamaha does not want to take care of.

[Blue Oval]

It is fairly easy to check the toe in/out yourself. Will only need about 20' of string. Tie the string someplace easy in the center rear, like a hitch or whatever. Turn steering wheel so the steering wheel is perfectly aligned for straight driving. Take the string and go around the side of the cart placing the string on the rear tire halfway up and continue to the front. Place the string on the front tire sidewall and pull tight, then move the string away from the tire so the string is barely touching the rear tire and along the side of the front. Compare the distance of the string to the sidewall of the tire in both fore and aft of the center of the front tire. Do the same for the opposite side. All tires should be nearly in a straight line on each side, but carts with excessive inside tire wear will usually show an obvious toe out on one or both front tires.

[HRDave]

Does anybody out there rotate their cart tires??
Just wondering. 😎

[villagetinker]

I like your idea, I had used a piece of metal supported halfway up the tires to check alignment on a previous cart

[mirish54@gmail.com]

I’ve noticed on quite a few Yamaha carts have front tires that bow out at the bottom of the tire. They don’t seem to ride perpendicular to the cart path. Very noticeable when driving by them on the trails. This would certainly seem to add uneven wear on the inside of front tires. Not sure what would cause this, but it seems to be a significant problem.

[Topspinmo]

Does anybody out there rotate their cart tires??
Just wondering. 😎


Every year.

[Tyrone Shoelaces]

Does anybody out there rotate their cart tires??
Just wondering. 😎

Good question, I just change out the fronts.

[zendog3]

I wore through a set of rear tires on a 2018 Yamaha in less than 3 years. the cart service company said bad tire wear is not uncommon in Yamaha's. One factor may be that both my wife and I are over weight. The rear suspension on these carts seems that when you put weight in the cart, it goes down making the axis between the hubs and the differential not a straight line. It seems the inside of the tire is lower than the outside in a loaded cart.

One more reason to eat more salads, I guess.

[Topspinmo]

I wore through a set of rear tires on a 2018 Yamaha in less than 3 years. the cart service company said bad tire wear is not uncommon in Yamaha's. One factor may be that both my wife and I are over weight. The rear suspension on these carts seems that when you put weight in the cart, it goes down making the axis between the hubs and the differential not a straight line. It seems the inside of the tire is lower than the outside in a loaded cart.

One more reason to eat more salads, I guess.

Tire pressure too low. At least 25 psi for 205-65-10 tires.

[Topspinmo]

Good question, I just change out the fronts.

Most of weight in rear tires, why need to rotate the every 6 months or year depending on usage. Use it lot every t months, not so much every year. IMO majority
Never get rotated and why rear tires wear out quicker.

[Aacosner]

Have a 2020 Yamaha Quietech with less than 200 hours on it. In 1st year saw reasonable tire wear on cart. Past couple of months noted that the right front tire is wearing heavily on the inside of the tire. Pressure is good on all 4 tires and this is a lot more severe than when I had a car with mis-aligned tires. Have a friend who had all 4 tires prematurely wear out 2X.

Have been told that Yamaha does have a suspension problem that they know about and will not fix and this IS NOT an alignment problem. Saw an old article/post about this problem and per that post this problem has been corrected in the 2018 model Does anyone have similar issues and if so was their a remedy.

For several years with the Yamama Quietech, they built them with significant negative camber on the front wheels. You can see this if you stand back and see the top of the front tires tilted in -- it's pretty dramatic. I sent the following picture of my 2018 Quietech front right tire with 7500 miles to Carts and Clubs, and they replied: "Unfortunately the front end wear you’re experiencing is normal on QuieTech models." The basic Quietech of those years does not have the ability to adjust camber, but Carts and Clubs said they can incorporate a kit of new parts with the ability to straighten the camber for $300. I've elected not to incorporate this kit because I'm speculating that Yamaha incorporated this negative camber for basic stability which I don't want to mess with. If you Google "Quietech Wheel Camber" you'll find more discussion on this.

[MorTech]

Could be worse....

https://cdn.motor1.com/images/mgl/PME7X/s1/2012-296157-extreme-negative-oni-camber-tuning-800-12-02-20121.jpg

All newer Yamahas have negative camber dialed in. It is obvious.
Stability reasons I reckon.

[kkingston57]

For several years with the Yamama Quietech, they built them with significant negative camber on the front wheels. You can see this if you stand back and see the top of the front tires tilted in -- it's pretty dramatic. I sent the following picture of my 2018 Quietech front right tire with 7500 miles to Carts and Clubs, and they replied: "Unfortunately the front end wear you’re experiencing is normal on QuieTech models." The basic Quietech of those years does not have the ability to adjust camber, but Carts and Clubs said they can incorporate a kit of new parts with the ability to straighten the camber for $300. I've elected not to incorporate this kit because I'm speculating that Yamaha incorporated this negative camber for basic stability which I don't want to mess with. If you Google "Quietech Wheel Camber" you'll find more discussion on this.

Thanks for the informative answer to my question. My right front tire looks identical to yours. Some(and I will not name them) cart dealerships have claimed that there is not a problem with the tires. I have been told about this fix and contemplating having it done. I was comparing the suspension on a Star Cart and they definitely have a much better quality parts.

[Topspinmo]

I bet put 8” rim/tires on it problem would magically disappear…..

[Veiragirl]

OMB pal, get a life

[KennyP]

In the end, the right tire pressure and alignment will fix the issue.

[kkingston57]

Thanks for the informative answer to my question. My right front tire looks identical to yours. Some(and I will not name them) cart dealerships have claimed that there is not a problem with the tires. I have been told about this fix and contemplating having it done. I was comparing the suspension on a Star Cart and they definitely have a much better quality parts.

Had the cart repaired by the Yamaha dealer, Country Equipment. They pointed out to me that the front tires are angled in. They made an adjustment to the front end and the front tires are now more up right. They advised me that this will not affect handling of the cart and should alleviate the problem. Will monitor tire wear.

Not to change subject, but they replaced the bag liner(liner where the golf bag sits in) on the cart at same time. The Villages estimated cost at $250. This is a $40 part and needs to take out and re screw in 2 screws. They did not give me an itemization of the bill but there bill was signficantly less than $250.

[JMintzer]

HNot to change subject, but they replaced the bag liner(liner where the golf bag sits in) on the cart at same time. The Villages estimated cost at $250. This is a $40 part and needs to take out and re screw in 2 screws. They did not give me an itemization of the bill but there bill was signficantly less than $250.

What was wrong with the bag liner?

[kkingston57]

What was wrong with the bag liner?

Backed up and did not see low pole in mirror. Pole did not get out of the way.

[Topspinmo]

I wonder if independent rear suspension has anything to do with this problem? My 2012 don’t have camber issue I see on newer carts.

[JMintzer]

Backed up and did not see low pole in mirror. Pole did not get out of the way.

Stupid poles... :loco:

[wisbad1]

Passenger side front tire wearing out is common- and it is related to alignment and tire pressure. I know you said tire pressure is correct, but what do you believe to be the correct pressure.? So many people are told so many different pressures
I know you said its wearing on the inside, but like I said this is common issue, and alignment and proper tire pressure will correct it.
Maybe your passenger is too heavy, just saying.

[PoolBrews]

If you overinflate, it will wear the tires out very rapidly in the center section. The sidewall says 35 psi for max load - if you keep it there the tires only last a couple of years. Golf cart tires should be between 20 - 25 psi. Too low and the outside of the tread wears quickly, too high, and the middle of the tread wears quickly.

[Topspinmo]

If you overinflate, it will wear the tires out very rapidly in the center section. The sidewall says 35 psi for max load - if you keep it there the tires only last a couple of years. Golf cart tires should be between 20 - 25 psi. Too low and the outside of the tread wears quickly, too high, and the middle of the tread wears quickly.


For 205-65-10 20psi too low for rear tires, need to 25 on rear due all weight on the rear. Front 20psi ok. How do I know this? I have back back for the first couple years here so ran tire pressure at 18 to 20 for smother ride. Wore rear tires out in two years enough so I replaced them. Front tire no visible wear.

[Topspinmo]

I wore through a set of rear tires on a 2018 Yamaha in less than 3 years. the cart service company said bad tire wear is not uncommon in Yamaha's. One factor may be that both my wife and I are over weight. The rear suspension on these carts seems that when you put weight in the cart, it goes down making the axis between the hubs and the differential not a straight line. It seems the inside of the tire is lower than the outside in a loaded cart.

One more reason to eat more salads, I guess.

Or get shocks with stiffer springs.

[kkingston57]

For 205-65-10 20psi too low for rear tires, need to 25 on rear due all weight on the rear. Front 20psi ok. How do I know this? I have back back for the first couple years here so ran tire pressure at 18 to 20 for smother ride. Wore rear tires out in two years enough so I replaced them. Front tire no visible wear.

Per the shop, Power Equipment) in Webster tire pressure(25PSI) was not the problem. Front tires on the cart are factory set in a position that they lean/angled slightly towards the center of the cart. They are now more upright. Cart seenms to rides smoother. I do not have a speedometer and wife thought cart was faster(nothing changed). I felt it was slightly faster.

[KennyP]

Front or back tires in the 20-25 range is too low. The tire has a stiff side wall, but needs air pressure to stiffen the side wall so the tire can do what it needs to do.
Looks like the end result here will be worn out tires.

[Topspinmo]

Front or back tires in the 20-25 range is too low. The tire has a stiff side wall, but needs air pressure to stiffen the side wall so the tire can do what it needs to do.
Looks like the end result here will be worn out tires.

I’ve got 16 thousand miles on my front tires at 20 PSI, even wear all across both of them even though more than half worn. Back tires have 9000 miles in them at 25 psi even wear across both of them. Now I agree if got seats and golf clubs hanging off back and 300 pound operator then will have to adjust pressure for load. That’s sweet spot for my cart setup.

[villagetinker]

Owners manual states 22 PSI recommended tire pressure, this is where we keep out tire pressure, 4 years no noticeable wear.

[KennyP]

Owners manual states 22 PSI recommended tire pressure, this is where we keep out tire pressure, 4 years no noticeable wear.
If your cart was made prior to the factory installing 10 inch tires then the use of the pressures stated in the owners manual is correct. That tire pressure is for the original 18x8.50x8 tire, 22 PSI is correct for that tire.
I am someone who works on golf cars everyday. I see worn out tires, everyday. The tire is telling you what it needs as far as alignment and tire pressure.
Look at rear tires on most yamahas. Inside and outside of the tire is worn out. Tire is telling you, too low a tire pressure. Now ask the owner what tire pressure they were told to put in it. Answer is 25psi, hence tire wears funny due to too low a tire pressure.
You will always have people who say they put this and that amount of tire pressure and that they get 100 thousand miles( joking of course) out of their tires....I dont see it ever and I work on thousands of carts a year. Do I see worn out tires in 6 months and low miles, yes. The reality is a loadstar 205x65x10, should last 20k miles plus properly cared for.