So glad we don’t need a car…

[Tvflguy]

Yikes. Flippin’ thru the paper today at car ads. Saw the Subaru dealer. USED. Subaru’s with 10-15,000 miles mid $30s to one for $44,000. I choke up seeing ads as these.

Our 5 year old Mercedes with 30K miles will no doubt last our lifetimes. It had better with this crazy market. I’ve heard of many folks selling their 2-3 year old car for more than they bought it for new. It’s NUTS.

[ThirdOfFive]

Yikes. Flippin’ thru the paper today at car ads. Saw the Subaru dealer. USED. Subaru’s with 10-15,000 miles mid $30s to one for $44,000. I choke up seeing ads as these.

Our 5 year old Mercedes with 30K miles will no doubt last our lifetimes. It had better with this crazy market. I’ve heard of many folks selling their 2-3 year old car for more than they bought it for new. It’s NUTS.
Yep. Add the (ever-rising) cost of gasoline to that and the cost per mile becomes way too high.

Our golf cart can get us anywhere in TV that we need to go. We rarely use the Rav4 but we're keeping it. Who knows how much it will be worth in the next year or two?

[MartinSE]

Yikes. Flippin’ thru the paper today at car ads. Saw the Subaru dealer. USED. Subaru’s with 10-15,000 miles mid $30s to one for $44,000. I choke up seeing ads as these.

Our 5 year old Mercedes with 30K miles will no doubt last our lifetimes. It had better with this crazy market. I’ve heard of many folks selling their 2-3 year old car for more than they bought it for new. It’s NUTS.

Yes, it is not a good time to purchase almost anything. We plan on keeping our 11 year old Jag and 12 year old Lexus. But are in good condition and run fine. Was hoping to replace them with a Tesla, but that is on hold.

Sadly, inflation seldom reverts back to the previous lows, but does retreat some. So, we plan to just sit tight and wait for lower prices before making any large purchases. If things just continued to spiral down the drain, we have plans in place to immigrate to Ecuador. It is beautiful, extremely friendly, excellent healthcare, welcoming, and silly low cost of living.

Example, 5 acres mature orchids, 4 bedroom home with maid and gardener for $500 to $750 per month. 100% coverage healthcare is around $100/mth covers dental, optical, and healthcare. Eating out at a good Ecuador restaurant for 2 will run about $10 to $20. And on and on. Note: If you want to live with other American's (there are around 15,000 there) the costs are higher - but, all your favorite restaurants (and high prices) are in those areas.

[tophcfa]

Yikes. Flippin’ thru the paper today at car ads. Saw the Subaru dealer. USED. Subaru’s with 10-15,000 miles mid $30s to one for $44,000. I choke up seeing ads as these.

Our 5 year old Mercedes with 30K miles will no doubt last our lifetimes. It had better with this crazy market. I’ve heard of many folks selling their 2-3 year old car for more than they bought it for new. It’s NUTS.

We just made the decision to replace lots of stuff that typically goes with age in the 2005 BMW convertible since it only has 75,000 miles on it. Hopefully it will now last a loooooong time so we don’t have to overpay for a new vehicle that is littered with a bunch of computerized sensors and chips waiting to go bad.

[JSR22]

We just made the decision to replace lots of stuff that typically goes with age in the 2005 BMW convertible since it only has 75,000 miles on it. Hopefully it will now last a loooooong time so we don’t have to overpay for a new vehicle that is littered with a bunch of computerized sensors and chips waiting to go bad.

We have a 2009 BMW convertible that we took in for work this week. The car has 108,00 miles and we are going to keep the car.

[Tom&JenC]

We have a 2009 BMW convertible that we took in for work this week. The car has 108,00 miles and we are going to keep the car.

My wife absolutely refuses to get rid of her 2004 Camry. over 200k miles. It just keeps going and going. It has Toyota's legendary 6 cyl engine from that era. its a little banged up but that's a big advantage in parking lots. We could care less if someone dings it with their car door or whatever. Need to run it into the city? No problem.
On the other hand I bought a Ram 1500 4x4 new in 2015. I baby the hell out of it, park it where no man has gone before and it still gets dinged and I don't know how many times I yelled "HOW THE F%&$ DID THAT HAPPEN!"
So as Harry Belafonte sang "De woman is smarter in every way"

[golfing eagles]

.......

If things just continued to spiral down the drain, we have plans in place to immigrate to Ecuador. It is beautiful, extremely friendly, excellent healthcare, welcoming, and silly low cost of living.

Example, 5 acres mature orchids, 4 bedroom home with maid and gardener for $500 to $750 per month. 100% coverage healthcare is around $100/mth covers dental, optical, and healthcare. Eating out at a good Ecuador restaurant for 2 will run about $10 to $20. And on and on. Note: If you want to live with other American's (there are around 15,000 there) the costs are higher - but, all your favorite restaurants (and high prices) are in those areas.

Yep, "excellent" healthcare. Note that all over the world royalty, heads of state and billionaires are no longer heading to Boston or NY when ill, they are now flocking to Ecuador:1rotfl::1rotfl::1rotfl: Get real.

[Stu from NYC]

Waiting for world to go back to what we consider is normal.

[Bay Kid]

My '99 Miata will last lots longer than me, as will my '01 Tundra.

[camaguey48]

Waiting for world to go back to what we consider is normal.
I'm sorry to say that normal is not coming back. Brace yourselves. We are in for rough time.

[MartinSE]

I'm sorry to say that normal is not coming back. Brace yourselves. We are in for rough time.

Sadly, I kind of agree with you. I have been saying we are about to have a major reset. My wife calls me mister gloom and doom.

[ThirdOfFive]

Yep, "excellent" healthcare. Note that all over the world royalty, heads of state and billionaires are no longer heading to Boston or NY when ill, they are now flocking to Ecuador:1rotfl::1rotfl::1rotfl: Get real.
"One of the great perks for foreign residents living in Ecuador is high-quality, low-cost healthcare. Bloomberg recently rated Ecuador as having the 20th most efficient healthcare system among advanced economies, while the U.S. ranked near the bottom in 46th place.

An internet comparison of healthcare costs from around the world found that Ecuador’s costs are the lowest—lower than those in China, Malaysia, India, Mexico, and Panama. In general, you can expect to pay 10% to 25% of what you would in the U.S. For major surgery, we’ve seen a number of cases in which costs were even less than 10% of comparable procedures in the U.S. You will find similar savings for dental care." (International Living dot com)

From what I was able to ascertain by clicking around, Ecuadorian health care is best in the larger cities, spottier in more distant rural areas. also it is two-tier: best in private hospitals and clinics, acceptable (not great) in public facilities. In this respect Ecuador is not unlike Thailand, which also has a two-tier system but which works a bit differently. The Thai government will pay to send promising students to Med school with the understanding that upon graduation they will work for the government in assigned areas providing health care for "x" number of years. They're free to establish business on the side and many do. It is a system that brings extremely affordable and competent health care to more isolated areas. I don't know if Ecuador does this or not but it certainly is possible.

All in all I'd have no qualms living in Ecuador considering what I was able to read about the quality of their health care. There are other considerations of course as well: corrupt judiciary, human-rights issues, and South America is not exactly known for political stability, but their health care is definitely a positive.

[Djean1981]

Yep, "excellent" healthcare. Note that all over the world royalty, heads of state and billionaires are no longer heading to Boston or NY when ill, they are now flocking to Ecuador:1rotfl::1rotfl::1rotfl: Get real.
Good luck on your adventure..

[B-flat]

Sadly, I kind of agree with you. I have been saying we are about to have a major reset. My wife calls me mister gloom and doom.

I agree about a major reset, you have to read between the lines, it's coming, people who don't believe it better get their heads out of the sand. How about all the food factories catching fire, our food supply is under attack. Heck they are predicting food shortages, it's all by design.

[golfing eagles]

"One of the great perks for foreign residents living in Ecuador is high-quality, low-cost healthcare. Bloomberg recently rated Ecuador as having the 20th most efficient healthcare system among advanced economies, while the U.S. ranked near the bottom in 46th place.

An internet comparison of healthcare costs from around the world found that Ecuador’s costs are the lowest—lower than those in China, Malaysia, India, Mexico, and Panama. In general, you can expect to pay 10% to 25% of what you would in the U.S. For major surgery, we’ve seen a number of cases in which costs were even less than 10% of comparable procedures in the U.S. You will find similar savings for dental care." (International Living dot com)

From what I was able to ascertain by clicking around, Ecuadorian health care is best in the larger cities, spottier in more distant rural areas. also it is two-tier: best in private hospitals and clinics, acceptable (not great) in public facilities. In this respect Ecuador is not unlike Thailand, which also has a two-tier system but which works a bit differently. The Thai government will pay to send promising students to Med school with the understanding that upon graduation they will work for the government in assigned areas providing health care for "x" number of years. They're free to establish business on the side and many do. It is a system that brings extremely affordable and competent health care to more isolated areas. I don't know if Ecuador does this or not but it certainly is possible.

All in all I'd have no qualms living in Ecuador considering what I was able to read about the quality of their health care. There are other considerations of course as well: corrupt judiciary, human-rights issues, and South America is not exactly known for political stability, but their health care is definitely a positive.

Beware bogus "rankings" from bogus sources---looks like Bloomberg has signed on with the World Socialist Health Organization to use distorted statistics and irrelevant categories to promote their socialized medicine failing agenda. They use slanted ifant mortality statistics, which naturally then translate into slanted life expectancy numbers. Then they add crap like access to care and overly emphasize cost to make the US look bad. All this while comparing our country of 330 million to places that have a total population of less than a medium sized city. Remember, this is the same WHO that refused to acknowledge that COVID originated in China, and wants to change the name of monkeypox because it is "demeaning to Africa"---how "woke" of them. Personally, I would "defund" the WHO and kick them to the curb.

Again, if healthcare is so wonderful in Ecuador, skip your doctor here and flock there with everyone else:1rotfl::1rotfl::1rotfl:

[kkingston57]

Yep. Add the (ever-rising) cost of gasoline to that and the cost per mile becomes way too high.

Our golf cart can get us anywhere in TV that we need to go. We rarely use the Rav4 but we're keeping it. Who knows how much it will be worth in the next year or two?

Same thing going on with golf carts and RV's and RV's will change sooner. Do beleive that there were a lot of 1st time buyers of RV's who will be selling after summer 2020 as they realize that this is not their lifestyle.

[kkingston57]

Same thing going on with golf carts and RV's and RV's will change sooner. Do beleive that there were a lot of 1st time buyers of RV's who will be selling after summer 2020 as they realize that this is not their lifestyle.

Oops Meant 2022.

[Stu from NYC]

Beware bogus "rankings" from bogus sources---looks like Bloomberg has signed on with the World Socialist Health Organization to use distorted statistics and irrelevant categories to promote their socialized medicine failing agenda. They use slanted ifant mortality statistics, which naturally then translate into slanted life expectancy numbers. Then they add crap like access to care and overly emphasize cost to make the US look bad. All this while comparing our country of 330 million to places that have a total population of less than a medium sized city. Remember, this is the same WHO that refused to acknowledge that COVID originated in China, and wants to change the name of monkeypox because it is "demeaning to Africa"---how "woke" of them. Personally, I would "defund" the WHO and kick them to the curb.

Again, if healthcare is so wonderful in Ecuador, skip your doctor here and flock there with everyone else:1rotfl::1rotfl::1rotfl:

Bloomberg is not exactly unbiased as a news source. Sad that always push their agenda.

[MartinSE]

I guess I can't post MY opinion without someone distorting and making snarky replies.

I never said I would leave here for Ecuador health care. I said I saved over $10K on my implants, got equal quality and had a vacation for me and my wife thrown into the package.

What I said was if things continue the way they are going I would leave for the peace and friendly people compared to here. I guess the snarky reply here proves my point. It is so American to want anyone that disagrees with you to leave. Maybe since you seem to hate Americans that disagree with you (and there are many more of them, than those that agree) maybe you would be happier someplace else - Russia?

[MartinSE]

"One of the great perks for foreign residents living in Ecuador is high-quality, low-cost healthcare. Bloomberg recently rated Ecuador as having the 20th most efficient healthcare system among advanced economies, while the U.S. ranked near the bottom in 46th place.

An internet comparison of healthcare costs from around the world found that Ecuador’s costs are the lowest—lower than those in China, Malaysia, India, Mexico, and Panama. In general, you can expect to pay 10% to 25% of what you would in the U.S. For major surgery, we’ve seen a number of cases in which costs were even less than 10% of comparable procedures in the U.S. You will find similar savings for dental care." (International Living dot com)

From what I was able to ascertain by clicking around, Ecuadorian health care is best in the larger cities, spottier in more distant rural areas. also it is two-tier: best in private hospitals and clinics, acceptable (not great) in public facilities. In this respect Ecuador is not unlike Thailand, which also has a two-tier system but which works a bit differently. The Thai government will pay to send promising students to Med school with the understanding that upon graduation they will work for the government in assigned areas providing health care for "x" number of years. They're free to establish business on the side and many do. It is a system that brings extremely affordable and competent health care to more isolated areas. I don't know if Ecuador does this or not but it certainly is possible.

All in all I'd have no qualms living in Ecuador considering what I was able to read about the quality of their health care. There are other considerations of course as well: corrupt judiciary, human-rights issues, and South America is not exactly known for political stability, but their health care is definitely a positive.

Well, that is an Internet comparison, my wife and I lived there for 6 months over 2 years and first hand experience was that healthcare was excellent, available, and virtually free. We didn't just google or read some post, we went there while we were looking where to retire. The Villages won on several items, for one we both have VA healthcare with is also free, and local. Another is this is closer to my wives family, which is important.

Yes, America does have SOME of the best healthcare that money can buy, so some come here (not all, the best healthcare in the world is in Spain) but that best that money can buy, doesn't help the 40 million Americans that are citizens of the richest country in the world and can't afford and so don't have healthcare at all. I am glad you got yours, sucks to be them doesn't it. I know, I know, they ALL are lazy and made bad life choices. Such a Christian country we live in, where 6 million children go to bed hungry every night.

And by spiraling down, I meant if politics continue to spiral down, we will leave. This is no longer the welcoming friendly country I grew up in and at my age, I prefer to like my neighbors, which in Ecuador was easier to do.

[golfing eagles]

I guess I can't post MY opinion without someone distorting and making snarky replies.

I never said I would leave here for Ecuador health care. I said I saved over $10K on my implants, got equal quality and had a vacation for me and my wife thrown into the package.

What I said was if things continue the way they are going I would leave for the peace and friendly people compared to here. I guess the snarky reply here proves my point. It is so American to want anyone that disagrees with you to leave. Maybe since you seem to hate Americans that disagree with you (and there are many more of them, than those that agree) maybe you would be happier someplace else - Russia?

The problem is that you get nowhere near equal quality, not even close

[golfing eagles]

Well, that is an Internet comparison, my wife and I lived there for 6 months over 2 years and first hand experience was that healthcare was excellent, available, and virtually free. We didn't just google or read some post, we went there while we were looking where to retire. The Villages won on several items, for one we both have VA healthcare with is also free, and local. Another is this is closer to my wives family, which is important.

Yes, America does have SOME of the best healthcare that money can buy, so some come here (not all, the best healthcare in the world is in Spain) but that best that money can buy, doesn't help the 40 million Americans that are citizens of the richest country in the world and can't afford and so don't have healthcare at all. I am glad you got yours, sucks to be them doesn't it. I know, I know, they ALL are lazy and made bad life choices. Such a Christian country we live in, where 6 million children go to bed hungry every night.

And by spiraling down, I meant if politics continue to spiral down, we will leave. This is no longer the welcoming friendly country I grew up in and at my age, I prefer to like my neighbors, which in Ecuador was easier to do.

You lived there and term the health care "excellent"????? Did you actually utilize it????:1rotfl::1rotfl::1rotfl:

[manaboutown]

Such a Christian country we live in, where 6 million children go to bed hungry every night.

And no children go to bed hungry in the Utopias of Ecuador, Venezuela or Cuba?

[golfing eagles]

And no children go to bed hungry in the Utopias of Ecuador, Venezuela or Cuba?

According to some, no. And they get "excellent" health care as well. :1rotfl::1rotfl::1rotfl:

[Garywt]

Car, boats and campers are all over priced now. My 2014 F350 just rolled over to 100,000 miles but it is good for awhile longer. My wides lease is up in August but we will buy the 2019 Murano for $24,000 which is the contracted price. Hopefully someday everything will get back to “normal” whatever that is.

[Michael G.]

I guess I can't post MY opinion without someone distorting and making snarky replies.



Don't bother explaining, distorting facts and snarky replies is a way of life here.

[ThirdOfFive]

Beware bogus "rankings" from bogus sources---looks like Bloomberg has signed on with the World Socialist Health Organization to use distorted statistics and irrelevant categories to promote their socialized medicine failing agenda. They use slanted ifant mortality statistics, which naturally then translate into slanted life expectancy numbers. Then they add crap like access to care and overly emphasize cost to make the US look bad. All this while comparing our country of 330 million to places that have a total population of less than a medium sized city. Remember, this is the same WHO that refused to acknowledge that COVID originated in China, and wants to change the name of monkeypox because it is "demeaning to Africa"---how "woke" of them. Personally, I would "defund" the WHO and kick them to the curb.

Again, if healthcare is so wonderful in Ecuador, skip your doctor here and flock there with everyone else:1rotfl::1rotfl::1rotfl:
"Kill the messenger"?

[ThirdOfFive]

The problem is that you get nowhere near equal quality, not even close
I'm curious as to what information this conclusion is based on.

[Stu from NYC]

I'm curious as to what information this conclusion is based on.

The man was an ER doc as I recall and has learned a lot about medical care in the world during his career.

[MartinSE]

And no children go to bed hungry in the Utopias of Ecuador, Venezuela or Cuba?

I am glad you compared America the richest country in the world to Ecuador one of the poorest in that way, it makes my point for me.

Yes, people and children go to bed hungry, but they have ways to help, and they don't waste $2T/year on a military that hasn't won a war in a LONG time, it spent 20 years fighting in Afghanistan with the military saying they had no idea what they were supposed to do, instead of say $1T/year for military and $1T/year for the 40 million with no heath insurance, and the 6 million kids going to bed hungry every day.

I guess my view is the richest country claiming to be based one Christianity (you remember, "Bring unto me the children...") in the world should be a little bit better than the poorest.

[golfing eagles]

I am glad you compared America the richest country in the world to Ecuador one of the poorest in that way, it makes my point for me.

Yes, people and children go to bed hungry, but they have ways to help, and they don't waste $2T/year on a military that hasn't won a war in a LONG time, it spent 20 years fighting in Afghanistan with the military saying they had no idea what they were supposed to do, instead of say $1T/year for military and $1T/year for the 40 million with no heath insurance, and the 6 million kids going to bed hungry every day.

I guess my view is the richest country claiming to be based one Christianity (you remember, "Bring unto me the children...") in the world should be a little bit better than the poorest.

Well, like you said, you’re entitled to your opinion. Minority report noted

[manaboutown]

I am glad you compared America the richest country in the world to Ecuador one of the poorest in that way, it makes my point for me.

Yes, people and children go to bed hungry, but they have ways to help, and they don't waste $2T/year on a military that hasn't won a war in a LONG time, it spent 20 years fighting in Afghanistan with the military saying they had no idea what they were supposed to do, instead of say $1T/year for military and $1T/year for the 40 million with no heath insurance, and the 6 million kids going to bed hungry every day.

I guess my view is the richest country claiming to be based one Christianity (you remember, "Bring unto me the children...") in the world should be a little bit better than the poorest.

It seems to me you are were the one initially comparing Ecuador to the USA. El cheapo implants and so on. I simply responded.

[Ecuadog]

Well, like you said, you’re entitled to your opinion. Minority report noted

And the snarky remarks continue.

[Stu from NYC]

And the snarky remarks continue.

Half the responses here are snarky in some form.

[golfing eagles]

And the snarky remarks continue.

Factual, not snarky

[Tvflguy]

I’m the OP. Talk about taking a topic completely off-topic. And the snarkiness of some….

Not to turn away from this so interesting (…) Equador thing, how about the current prices of new and used golf carts? I’m always amazed at the sky/high profit margins on new carts. I mean some new in the high $teens. You can still get, at least MSRP, a nice compact car with all the safety stuff and electronics in the low $20s.

Thankfully our Tomberlin battery electric cart runs well, and no need to replace. Phew.

[Ecuadog]

Well, like you said, you’re entitled to your opinion. Minority report noted

And the snarky remarks continue.

Factual, not snarky

Both actually.

"Well, like you said, you’re entitled to your opinion."... Is factual.

"Minority report noted"... Is snarky.

[tophcfa]

Dam, talk about a thread going off topic. Transformed from the high price of new and used cars to the quality of healthcare in Ecuador?

[photo1902]

Dam, talk about a thread going off topic. Transformed from the high price of new and used cars to the quality of healthcare in Ecuador?

Can we get back to the topic at hand. A Lazy River: :a040:

[manaboutown]

Yikes. Flippin’ thru the paper today at car ads. Saw the Subaru dealer. USED. Subaru’s with 10-15,000 miles mid $30s to one for $44,000. I choke up seeing ads as these.

Our 5 year old Mercedes with 30K miles will no doubt last our lifetimes. It had better with this crazy market. I’ve heard of many folks selling their 2-3 year old car for more than they bought it for new. It’s NUTS.

Yes indeed vehicle prices are high. I have been shopping for a new 2022 BMW X5 M50i I plan to order. Best I can do so far is MSRP from two different dealers but they are more distant than I want to go. I ordered my 2017 X5 50i in September 2016 at a nice discount (COSTCO internet price) from a conveniently nearby dealer. At that time they were selling like hotcakes, too. That dealer currently wants $5K over MSRP. Initially they were asking $10K over MSRP.

As I do not really need to buy it until late this year I plan to wait to order until August when I expect interest rates to be much higher and the stock market down further. Hopefully that will bring the demand down and I will be able to get a better price then.

[Stu from NYC]

Can we get back to the topic at hand. A Lazy River: :a040:

Or how about the new Costco that is coming here?

[ChrisTee]

Martin, Ecuador - nice place to visit. I wouldn't live there now.

I've lived there. Have close friends who live there. It's beautiful.

It is a third world country. Yes, there are wonderful aspects to it.

Why I don't live in a third world country now?

I'm a senior. I want better health care than Ecuador offers.

Health care - sure you can get an airlift to another country.
Not my vote when I'm having a medical emergency...

Clean drinking water (even in Ecuador's largest cities power blackouts are common, causing water treatment facilities issues - resulting in contaminated water. The random loss of electricity is also an issue throughout Ecuador) Very common occurrence in Guayaquil, Quito - the capitol, and the most "modern" cities in Ecuador.

Crime. Crime. Even in the best parts of Ecuador. Crime.


Yes, it is not a good time to purchase almost anything. We plan on keeping our 11 year old Jag and 12 year old Lexus. But are in good condition and run fine. Was hoping to replace them with a Tesla, but that is on hold.

Sadly, inflation seldom reverts back to the previous lows, but does retreat some. So, we plan to just sit tight and wait for lower prices before making any large purchases. If things just continued to spiral down the drain, we have plans in place to immigrate to Ecuador. It is beautiful, extremely friendly, excellent healthcare, welcoming, and silly low cost of living.

Example, 5 acres mature orchids, 4 bedroom home with maid and gardener for $500 to $750 per month. 100% coverage healthcare is around $100/mth covers dental, optical, and healthcare. Eating out at a good Ecuador restaurant for 2 will run about $10 to $20. And on and on. Note: If you want to live with other American's (there are around 15,000 there) the costs are higher - but, all your favorite restaurants (and high prices) are in those areas.

[ChrisTee]

Cars - Carmax offered me 12% more than I paid for my SUV than I paid new in Feb. I ordered it, took 5 months to get here. I drove it across the US. Carmax is offering me 12% more now. Crazy times.

[Stu from NYC]

If you look at the times at the upper left we are several hours into the future. Four hours to be exact.

[golfing eagles]

Both actually.

"Well, like you said, you’re entitled to your opinion."... Is factual.

"Minority report noted"... Is snarky.

No, the minority report is factual unless you think a majority of TOTV members think that healthcare in Ecuador is “excellent “

[tophcfa]

No, the minority report is factual unless you think a majority of TOTV members think that healthcare in Ecuador is “excellent “

I wouldn’t expect the healthcare in Ecuador could possibly be any worse than what I experienced in the emergency room at the Villages hospital. In fact, I don’t know if any health care anywhere in the world could possibly be any worse. Over twelve hours waiting to be misdiagnosed and sent out the door after midnight to drive myself home in a golf cart to die. Thank god my wife rushed down to Florida and got me to real hospital in Gainesville, where they took one look at me and immediately checked me into intensive care.

[Stu from NYC]

I wouldn’t expect the healthcare in Ecuador could possibly be any worse than what I experienced in the emergency room at the Villages hospital. In fact, I don’t know if any health care anywhere in the world could possibly be any worse. Over twelve hours waiting to be misdiagnosed and sent out the door after midnight to drive myself home in a golf cart to die. Thank god my wife rushed down to Florida and got me to real hospital in Gainesville, where they took one look at me and immediately checked me into intensive care.

Several doctors have said they were doing better but quite a few people on here vehemently disagree.

[tophcfa]

Several doctors have said they were doing better but quite a few people on here vehemently disagree.

First hand experience doesn’t lie.

[Ecuadog]

No, the minority report is factual unless you think a majority of TOTV members think that healthcare in Ecuador is “excellent “

OK. I "think a majority of TOTV members think that healthcare in Ecuador is 'excellent'", ergo, your assertions are not factual. They are just plain snarky. Anything else you want to concede to my thoughts?

[Chi-Town]

Time to put it all together.

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[MartinSE]

It seems to me you are were the one initially comparing Ecuador to the USA. El cheapo implants and so on. I simply responded.

Snarky replies don't add to the conversation, no one said "El Cheapo" except you.

[Stu from NYC]

First hand experience doesn’t lie.

I do believe the negative stories we keep hearing

[Stu from NYC]

OK. I "think a majority of TOTV members think that healthcare in Ecuador is 'excellent'", ergo, your assertions are not factual. They are just plain snarky. Anything else you want to concede to my thoughts?

I have no idea if healthcare if good, bad or indifferent so how do I classify my opinion?

How would most of us know enough to even form an opinion?

[Ecuadog]

I have no idea if healthcare if good, bad or indifferent so how do I classify my opinion?

How would most of us know enough to even form an opinion?

Well said.

I find that there are a lot of uneducated opinions on bulletin boards and that's OK. It's the posts with condescending bluster that get my goat.

[MartinSE]

I have no idea if healthcare if good, bad or indifferent so how do I classify my opinion?

How would most of us know enough to even form an opinion?

Well, one way, is a vacation to Ecuador.

I recommend going to Quito the capital and Cuenca. Both are big cities, from the let you imagination run free. The Galápagos Islands are nearby and a favorite spot. It is Avery poor country, but the people are incredibly happy and friendly. One memory I will have forever was watching parents walking their children home from the school bus stop laughing and playing. So different than so many places here where the parents are constantly mad and yelling at their kids. It does the heart good.

It is not much to fly, and if you want to try out being "native" and not gringo, it is very inexpensive. Imagine a 4 course lunch for $3.00 each. Of awesome home cooking with local grown fruits and vegetables .

[MartinSE]

Well said.

I find that there are a lot of uneducated opinions on bulletin boards and that's OK. It's the posts with condescending bluster that get my goat.

Yeah, I loose it over than occasionally myself. It is sad so many are so set on being jerks.

[Stu from NYC]

Well, one way, is a vacation to Ecuador.

I recommend going to Quito the capital and Cuenca. Both are big cities, from the let you imagination run free. The Galápagos Islands are nearby and a favorite spot. It is Avery poor country, but the people are incredibly happy and friendly. One memory I will have forever was watching parents walking their children home from the school bus stop laughing and playing. So different than so many places here where the parents are constantly mad and yelling at their kids. It does the heart good.

It is not much to fly, and if you want to try out being "native" and not gringo, it is very inexpensive. Imagine a 4 course lunch for $3.00 each. Of awesome home cooking with local grown fruits and vegetables .

Well if you told me this say 20 years ago would have seriously considered it. Now my favorite wife has other ideas as to vacations.

[golfing eagles]

OK. I "think a majority of TOTV members think that healthcare in Ecuador is 'excellent'", ergo, your assertions are not factual. They are just plain snarky. Anything else you want to concede to my thoughts?

Are we all to take it that your individual opinion speaks for the majority??? Perhaps we should take a poll and see how many think Ecuadorian healthcare is "excellent" I'll stick with my original statement of "minority report" No concessions, in fact, quite the opposite.

[golfing eagles]

Well, one way, is a vacation to Ecuador.

I recommend going to Quito the capital and Cuenca. Both are big cities, from the let you imagination run free. The Galápagos Islands are nearby and a favorite spot. It is Avery poor country, but the people are incredibly happy and friendly. One memory I will have forever was watching parents walking their children home from the school bus stop laughing and playing. So different than so many places here where the parents are constantly mad and yelling at their kids. It does the heart good.

It is not much to fly, and if you want to try out being "native" and not gringo, it is very inexpensive. Imagine a 4 course lunch for $3.00 each. Of awesome home cooking with local grown fruits and vegetables .

How does a "vacation" give anyone a basis for evaluating healthcare in any country???? You probably would need to get sick in that country, and then it is still only one individual experience.

[Two Bills]

Yep, "excellent" healthcare. Note that all over the world royalty, heads of state and billionaires are no longer heading to Boston or NY when ill, they are now flocking to Ecuador:1rotfl::1rotfl::1rotfl: Get real.

Of course that group still come to USA.
They can afford the costs!:smiley:

[Ecuadog]

No, the minority report is factual unless you think a majority of TOTV members think that healthcare in Ecuador is “excellent “

OK. I "think a majority of TOTV members think that healthcare in Ecuador is 'excellent'", ergo, your assertions are not factual. They are just plain snarky. Anything else you want to concede to my thoughts?

Are we all to take it that your individual opinion speaks for the majority??? ...

You gave me that option. I took it.

[Two Bills]

As for the OP.
We have a 2009 Volvo XC60 Lux. 67,592 miles.
Not even 'run in' yet, and will probably see wife and off to our journey to Valhalla!:icon_wink:

[manaboutown]

How does a "vacation" give anyone a basis for evaluating healthcare in any country???? You probably would need to get sick in that country, and then it is still only one individual experience.

That might not be difficult to do. Take your pick from a list I found in The Journal of Travel Medicine (1992).

Cholera Typhoid/paratyphoid Tuberculosis Plague Brucellosis LeptospirosisTyphus Leprosy
Diphtheria Meningococcal disease Tetanus Parotiditis Syphilis/gonorrhea Diarrhea (allcauses)
Influenza Polio Yellow Fever Encephalitis (VEE) Rabies
Herpes Influenza Measles Mumps Rubella Dengue SIDA Leishmaniasis Chagas Malaria
Paragonimiasis Echinococcosis Onchocercosis Cysticercosis

[golfing eagles]

You gave me that option. I took it.

Kudos!!!! You win the daily semantics and parse words award. :bigbow: :bigbow:

[golfing eagles]

That might not be difficult to do. Take your pick from a list I found in The Journal of Travel Medicine (1992).

Cholera Typhoid/paratyphoid Tuberculosis Plague Brucellosis LeptospirosisTyphus Leprosy
Diphtheria Meningococcal disease Tetanus Parotiditis Syphilis/gonorrhea Diarrhea (allcauses)
Influenza Polio Yellow Fever Encephalitis (VEE) Rabies
Herpes Influenza Measles Mumps Rubella Dengue SIDA Leishmaniasis Chagas Malaria
Paragonimiasis Echinococcosis Onchocercosis Cysticercosis

You left out wucheriasis, brugeiasis, schistosomiasis and trypanosomiases to name a few off the top of my head. (Although technically not the latter, since Chagas disease is Trypanosoma cruzi, but significantly different from the African varieties T. gambiense and T. rhodesiense). However, most on that list are not endemic to Ecuador. I'd be more interested in how their "excellent" healthcare system handles 3 vessel CAD(coronary artery disease) or even a CAP(community acquired pneumonitis) or SIE(stroke in evolution). See how well "cheaper" serves you then.

[Ecuadog]

Kudos!!!! You win the daily semantics and parse words award. :bigbow: :bigbow:

Gracias. Coming from you, it means a lot.

[golfing eagles]

Gracias. Coming from you, it means a lot.

You're welcome---I know when I've been outplayed :1rotfl::1rotfl::1rotfl:

[Topspinmo]

Cars - Carmax offered me 12% more than I paid for my SUV than I paid new in Feb. I ordered it, took 5 months to get here. I drove it across the US. Carmax is offering me 12% more now. Crazy times.


I get all sorts of offers in mail. Offers and actually what will pay two different horses.

[Topspinmo]

Well, that is an Internet comparison, my wife and I lived there for 6 months over 2 years and first hand experience was that healthcare was excellent, available, and virtually free. We didn't just google or read some post, we went there while we were looking where to retire. The Villages won on several items, for one we both have VA healthcare with is also free, and local. Another is this is closer to my wives family, which is important.

Yes, America does have SOME of the best healthcare that money can buy, so some come here (not all, the best healthcare in the world is in Spain) but that best that money can buy, doesn't help the 40 million Americans that are citizens of the richest country in the world and can't afford and so don't have healthcare at all. I am glad you got yours, sucks to be them doesn't it. I know, I know, they ALL are lazy and made bad life choices. Such a Christian country we live in, where 6 million children go to bed hungry every night.

And by spiraling down, I meant if politics continue to spiral down, we will leave. This is no longer the welcoming friendly country I grew up in and at my age, I prefer to like my neighbors, which in Ecuador was easier to do.


Bye.

[BobnBev]

Do they have Dunkin Donuts in Ecuador? Do they have a fourth of July?

[Ecuadog]

Do they have Dunkin Donuts in Ecuador? Do they have a fourth of July?

Yes, they have Dunkin' Donuts in Ecuador.

I think that there is a July 4th on the calendar everywhere. If you asking about their Independence Day, it's August 10th.