The Truth about Compromise

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Eric Cantor, R-Va has finally given all of us the Republicn definition of compromise. From Fox News.....

Cantor also made clear that if there's going to be any compromise, it's going to have to come from Obama, who has said he is willing to work with Republicans. Cantor, however, said that Republicans will work with Obama only if he agrees with them 100 percent.

My point is this does not bode well for any of us......

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Eric Cantor, R-Va has finally given all of us the Republicn definition of compromise. From Fox News.....

Cantor also made clear that if there's going to be any compromise, it's going to have to come from Obama, who has said he is willing to work with Republicans. Cantor, however, said that Republicans will work with Obama only if he agrees with them 100 percent.

My point is this does not bode well for any of us......

Obama doesn't know the meaning of compromise. His arrogance is blind to such things. He looks down his nose at people.

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Why is it that the only times the Democrats talk about compromise is when Republicans have the majority? Where was the call for compromise the last two years by you? Compromise? When Obama moves right we'll maybe talk about it, maybe.

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Eric Cantor, R-Va has finally given all of us the Republicn definition of compromise. From Fox News.....

Cantor also made clear that if there's going to be any compromise, it's going to have to come from Obama, who has said he is willing to work with Republicans. Cantor, however, said that Republicans will work with Obama only if he agrees with them 100 percent.

My point is this does not bode well for any of us......

you are so right cologal! i am guessing that a failure to deal with anything substantial is going to be the definition of our new stability! that might turn out to be a good thing?

i am hoping the both obama and the republicans are blustering - for now. i don't think either wants to show their hand while a lame duck congress has yet to deal with anything. if i were boehner or mcconnell or demint i would not commit to anything at this time either.

and where ajack posted "Obama doesn't know the meaning of compromise. His arrogance is blind to such things. He looks down his nose at people." ... well, in my opinion, john boehner is anything but humble! he has shown his arrogant side, too [do you think his tears were real the other night? i figure they're as real as his tan!]...as did mcconnell when he said his only job was going to be to make sure obama only served one term! no one is showing that they have caught on to the will of the people!

the new cast of political characters is driving me as crazy as the campaigns did - i am switching my television viewing to the hallmark, hgtv and lifetime channels - i can figure out the endings to most of those shows - and they are happy endings!

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Eric Cantor, R-Va has finally given all of us the Republicn definition of compromise. From Fox News.....

Cantor also made clear that if there's going to be any compromise, it's going to have to come from Obama, who has said he is willing to work with Republicans. Cantor, however, said that Republicans will work with Obama only if he agrees with them 100 percent.

My point is this does not bode well for any of us......


Lets be clear. If you are going to go this route...ie., stirring up things out of context, fine but do not be offended when I question your motives.

You are PARTIALLY correct. The conversation in which this statement took place was in context concerning the Bush tax cuts...which you did not mention.

He DID, however, continue and say what you are saying.....IN THE CONTEXT of the liberal agenda being pursued by Obama

"First and foremost, we're not going to be willing to work with him on the expansive liberal agenda he's been about, but if he is serious about working with us on things like earmarks, for instance -- which he said he would work with me on that -- I'm absolutely hopeful we can do that. I hope he calls Harry Reid the first thing to get the Senate to go along with the House position."

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2010/11/07/eric-cantor-compromise-tax-cuts-obama_n_780029.html

The quote you attribute to him, in my opinion and the way I read it was all about the Bush tax cuts...

"I would say, Chris, it's as much his responsibility," said Cantor in response to a question from Fox News Sunday host Chris Wallace about who will be to blame for a government shutdown or a default on the debt. "In fact, he is the one who sets the agenda as the chief executive and as the president of this country."

Cantor also made clear that if there's going to be any compromise, it's going to have to come from Obama, who has said he is willing to work with Republicans. Cantor, however, said that Republicans will work with Obama only if he agrees with them 100 percent.


When you read the entire article, you find that the most damning are in conversation about the Bush tax cuts..this in fact is the headline..

"Eric Cantor Opposes Compromise On Extending Bush Tax Cuts, Says Government Shutdown Will Be Obama's Fault "

I implore you if you want to discuss things, keep it in context and dont just say stuff ! PLEASE

As far as if it bodes well for us, why dont you wait and see. The country has told this President that they dont like his health care bill, that they dont like the progressive agenda and he has IGNORED them. Perhaps it is time to stand tall and say that you have to listen !

I hope that in the future should you want to post something like this you will post it in its entirety and in context so that folks can see what is really going on instead more of the left leaning rhetoric which has already begun. The same thing goes for both sides, by the way but this is post of yours is pretty far away from the facts in this case. When someone, even you, says something and it is quoted, it should be placed in some context, or if you dont agree, I will post a great many of Obama quotes on liberalism, socialism, communism, etc, but out of context is not fair,now is it ?

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Why is it that the only times the Democrats talk about compromise is when Republicans have the majority? Where was the call for compromise the last two years by you? Compromise? When Obama moves right we'll maybe talk about it, maybe.

Cantor said what he said...and that has been the way it has been for a long time. The Dems did try and compromise with Grassley on Healthcare and I think financial reform and Snow on Healthcare but in the end no deal.

My point again is what good does gridlock do any of us?

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Lets be clear. If you are going to go this route...ie., stirring up things out of context, fine but do not be offended when I question your motives.

You are PARTIALLY correct. The conversation in which this statement took place was in context concerning the Bush tax cuts...which you did not mention.

He DID, however, continue and say what you are saying.....IN THE CONTEXT of the liberal agenda being pursued by Obama

"First and foremost, we're not going to be willing to work with him on the expansive liberal agenda he's been about, but if he is serious about working with us on things like earmarks, for instance -- which he said he would work with me on that -- I'm absolutely hopeful we can do that. I hope he calls Harry Reid the first thing to get the Senate to go along with the House position."

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2010/11/07/eric-cantor-compromise-tax-cuts-obama_n_780029.html

The quote you attribute to him, in my opinion and the way I read it was all about the Bush tax cuts...

"I would say, Chris, it's as much his responsibility," said Cantor in response to a question from Fox News Sunday host Chris Wallace about who will be to blame for a government shutdown or a default on the debt. "In fact, he is the one who sets the agenda as the chief executive and as the president of this country."

Cantor also made clear that if there's going to be any compromise, it's going to have to come from Obama, who has said he is willing to work with Republicans. Cantor, however, said that Republicans will work with Obama only if he agrees with them 100 percent.


When you read the entire article, you find that the most damning are in conversation about the Bush tax cuts..this in fact is the headline..

"Eric Cantor Opposes Compromise On Extending Bush Tax Cuts, Says Government Shutdown Will Be Obama's Fault "

I implore you if you want to discuss things, keep it in context and dont just say stuff ! PLEASE

As far as if it bodes well for us, why dint you wait and see. The country has told this President that they dint like his health care bill, that they dint like the progressive agenda and he has IGNORED them. Perhaps it is time to stand tall and say that you have to listen !

I hope that in the future should you want to post something like this you will post it in its entirety and in context so that folks can see what is really going on instead more of the left leaning rhetoric which has already begun. The same thing goes for both sides, by the way but this is post of yours is pretty far away from the facts in this case. When someone, even you, says something and it is quoted, it should be placed in some context, or if you dint agree, I will post a great many of Obama quotes on liberalism, socialism, communism, etc, but out of context is not fair,now is it ?

It was NOT out of context....he said what he said. They will compromise only if Obama agrees to 100% of what they want. They whole premise of compromise is each side gives a little.

I will agree that Obama and his team has been out of touch. However, I still believe the Healthcare bill is not as bad as the Repubs have made it. For example can we agree that were never any "Death panels"? The bailout of the car companies and cash for clunkers have begun to pay off....in part due to Toyota's Lean Quality Process....but that is another discussion.

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It was NOT out of context....he said what he said. They will compromise only if Obama agrees to 100% of what they want. They whole premise of compromise is each side gives a little.

I will agree that Obama and his team has been out of touch. However, I still believe the Healthcare bill is not as bad as the Repubs have made it. For example can we agree that were never any "Death panels"? The bailout of the car companies and cash for clunkers have begun to pay off....in part due to Toyota's Lean Quality Process....but that is another discussion.

How do you know there won't be death panels in the future?

Despite the concerted smears by the media and the Obama regime,Toyota still makes a better vehicle then GM (IMHO). I just bought a brand new Toyota RAV 4 and my only other choice was Ford.

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It was NOT out of context....he said what he said. They will compromise only if Obama agrees to 100% of what they want. They whole premise of compromise is each side gives a little.

I will agree that Obama and his team has been out of touch. However, I still believe the Healthcare bill is not as bad as the Repubs have made it. For example can we agree that were never any "Death panels"? The bailout of the car companies and cash for clunkers have begun to pay off....in part due to Toyota's Lean Quality Process....but that is another discussion.

1. He did say what he said, as you report, BUT NOT IN GENERAL as you posted. He was speaking of the Bush Tax cuts when he said it and you did not report that fact, which is quite important to the message you tried to deliver.

2. PLEASE, if you like the health bill, WHAT PART OF THE BILL ADDRESSES HEALTH CARE COSTS ? I can answer, the bill does not address health care COSTS, but our President ran on what....cutting health care costs ! Health care is beginning to skyrocket in cost for everybody AS A DIRECT RESULT OF THE NEW BILL !

The american people did not want it..never did, but an entire year was totally wasted in back rooms, paying off folks to get the bill.

The stimulus bill was simply and admittely a bunch of social programs and nobody even read it...was ready to go with NO discussion.

DO NOT PREACH the party of no...DO NOT PREACH no compromise. This WH is just about the absolute worst we have ever seen for the backroom deals etc. ALL which our President campaigned against....and that can be added to the HEALTH CARE COSTS he ignored on the list of things that he flat out lied about ! A great talker, but watch what he is doing

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World spending. Who is going to pay. When will fiscal sanity return?

http://blogs.wsj.com/economics/2010/11/06/number-of-the-week-102-trillion-in-global-borrowing/

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How do you know there won't be death panels in the future?

Despite the concerted smears by the media and the Obama regime,Toyota still makes a better vehicle then GM (IMHO). I just bought a brand new Toyota RAV 4 and my only other choice was Ford.

Just the facts please......no Death Panels in the orginial bill...no matter what Sarah Palin or Glen Beck said.

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Just the facts please......no Death Panels in the orginial bill...no matter what Sarah Palin or Glen Beck said.

How do you know? Did you read the bill? When you ration operations and treatment, you essentially have long delays which result in premature deaths. Call it what you please, but "death panels" fit the description.

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It was NOT out of context....he said what he said. They will compromise only if Obama agrees to 100% of what they want. They whole premise of compromise is each side gives a little.

I will agree that Obama and his team has been out of touch. However, I still believe the Healthcare bill is not as bad as the Repubs have made it. For example can we agree that were never any "Death panels"? The bailout of the car companies and cash for clunkers have begun to pay off....in part due to Toyota's Lean Quality Process....but that is another discussion.

when you say that there are no death panels you should have said there are no death panels in the medical bill. The death panels may have been hidden someplace else.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8HnkxIh62dQ

See how liberals and progressives work. Be Proud.

Cologal, is this what you support?

Yoda

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Just the facts please......no Death Panels in the orginial bill...no matter what Sarah Palin or Glen Beck said.


AND no health care costs as promised !!!

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It was NOT out of context....he said what he said. They will compromise only if Obama agrees to 100% of what they want. They whole premise of compromise is each side gives a little.

I will agree that Obama and his team has been out of touch. However, I still believe the Healthcare bill is not as bad as the Repubs have made it. For example can we agree that were never any "Death panels"? The bailout of the car companies and cash for clunkers have begun to pay off....in part due to Toyota's Lean Quality Process....but that is another discussion.

If the government is going to ration, deny or engender lengthy waits for healthcare services; that will be by practice death panels of a sort. Right now my health care is between my doctor and me. My health insurance might not have the provision for the treatment I desire, but I can always pay for it myself, if I can, and explore that treatment. Obamacare would deny me that option outright.

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How do you know? Did you read the bill? When you ration operations and treatment, you essentially have long delays which result in premature deaths. Call it what you please, but "death panels" fit the description.

You are comparing apples to oranges.... and in fact I did read the verbiage about what were being called death panels. I fully believe in end of life planning mainly because I have worked in hospitals for all of my adult life. Things that happen there I don't want happening to me. So when I go for surgery tomorrow, and I am having surgery tomorrow, I will be carrying my living will, advance directives etc. with me. But at this hospital they are already on file but why leave anything to chance.

This paragraph was about paying for a meeting to organize this information....

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when you say that there are no death panels you should have said there are no death panels in the medical bill. The death panels may have been hidden someplace else.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8HnkxIh62dQ

See how liberals and progressives work. Be Proud.

Cologal, is this what you support?

Yoda

Yoda.... I have answered the question about the section on death panels...you can read it below. This is completely another issue. As the speaker used the President middle name I can already tell his political bent. But I will answer in spite of that.

To let you know these types of things already exist in the current health insurance. For example, last Dec I began taking Protonics a very good ulcer drug. But in Jan I went to get a refill and was denied because the coverage had changed. My insurer wanted me to take a cheaper drug that didn't work and made me sick...so after dealing with that I thought they would switch me back...alas no. I had to try a different drug which was not very effective. It was not until late May until I was finally able to get the drugs that worked.

Now for my personal beliefs on these things.... As a Catholic I was taught that quality of a persons life matters deeply. Therefore doing procedures just to extend life may not be the best thing. I watched as my family had both a medical person and a member of the clergy present to help decide what should be done. (We had plenty of both in the family) As my mother's condition got worse it fell to me to make these decisions. The doctors wanted to put her on life support but I knew if she was put on life support she may never get off. I checked with a doctor in the family and we did not put her on the vent. She survived without it but died several months later....We never put her back in the hospital.

Sometimes these effectiveness panels rule out treatments that don't really work, sometimes they reign in doctors.

I am sorry that all of this is scary to you....

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Yoda.... I have answered the question about the section on death panels...you can read it below. This is completely another issue. As the speaker used the President middle name I can already tell his political bent. But I will answer in spite of that.

To let you know these types of things already exist in the current health insurance. For example, last Dec I began taking Protonics a very good ulcer drug. But in Jan I went to get a refill and was denied because the coverage had changed. My insurer wanted me to take a cheaper drug that didn't work and made me sick...so after dealing with that I thought they would switch me back...alas no. I had to try a different drug which was not very effective. It was not until late May until I was finally able to get the drugs that worked.

Now for my personal beliefs on these things.... As a Catholic I was taught that quality of a persons life matters deeply. Therefore doing procedures just to extend life may not be the best thing. I watched as my family had both a medical person and a member of the clergy present to help decide what should be done. (We had plenty of both in the family) As my mother's condition got worse it fell to me to make these decisions. The doctors wanted to put her on life support but I knew if she was put on life support she may never get off. I checked with a doctor in the family and we did not put her on the vent. She survived without it but died several months later....We never put her back in the hospital.

Sometimes these effectiveness panels rule out treatments that don't really work, sometimes they reign in doctors.

I am sorry that all of this is scary to you....

1, Will you please explain where any cost cutting is or was involved in the new health bill as I asked you before ?

2. Will you acknowledge that you quoted a man out of context (I already put it in context with the EXACT quote and meaning as reported by a left wing website) to make a point and then ignored it when you were called on it ?

3. Will you acknowledge that the current health bill is NOW causing escalation of health care costs ?

4. Will you acknowledge that there was NO attempt at what you call compromise when the President was offering deals to get votes ?

These are hard words, and I do apologize for that, but you continually come on here and say things and when you are called on them as NOT TRUE, you just ignore it as if it did not happen ! If you want to have a discussion and disagree, that is fine but you just cannot say things and then when called on your misrepresentation just ignore it and go off on a tangent !

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The American people didn't just body slam the Democrates because they wan't compramise. The election was a restraining order and a total repudaition of the the Democratic adjenda.

There should be no comprise. If it's bad it's bad. Don't just make it less bad. Kill it before it grows.

The American people want the Bush tax cuts extented. Period. It's the right thing to do. No compramise. The American people want Obama Care repealed. Kill it, no compramise.

The American people want Cap-n-tax killed once and for all. No compramise.

The American people want smaller, less spending and less intrusive government. No compramise.

If the Republicans have the backbone to stand their ground, do the will of the people and Obama stands in their way, the same thing will happen again in 2012.

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1, Will you please explain where any cost cutting is or was involved in the new health bill as I asked you before ?

2. Will you acknowledge that you quoted a man out of context (I already put it in context with the EXACT quote and meaning as reported by a left wing website) to make a point and then ignored it when you were called on it ?

3. Will you acknowledge that the current health bill is NOW causing escalation of health care costs ?

4. Will you acknowledge that there was NO attempt at what you call compromise when the President was offering deals to get votes ?

These are hard words, and I do apologize for that, but you continually come on here and say things and when you are called on them as NOT TRUE, you just ignore it as if it did not happen ! If you want to have a discussion and disagree, that is fine but you just cannot say things and then when called on your misrepresentation just ignore it and go off on a tangent !

Bucco....

1. According to the CBO there are a cost savings I would have to refer you to them.

2. I will acknowledge not that I quoted the man out of context because that is what he said. I will acknowledge that I did not submit a link to the entire text because it was from the Huffington Post and usually those links are dismissed.

3. I can't knowledge that because the program is not yet implemented. My personal insurance costs did not raise any higher than the normal year to year.

4. Yes there were back room deals but you can't deny that the Dems took out the public option in response to Olympia Snowe's request and then she did not vote for the bill. That is what ****ed off the progressives so much.

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From the CBO

http://www.cbo.gov/publications/collections/health.cfm


On March 20, 2010, CBO released its final cost estimate for the reconciliation act, which encompassed the effects of both pieces of legislation. Table 1 (on page 5) provides a broad summary and Table 2 offers a detailed breakdown of the budgetary effects of the two pieces of legislation. CBO and the staff of the Joint Committee on Taxation (JCT) estimate that enacting both pieces of legislation will produce a net reduction in federal deficits of $143 billion over the 2010-2019 period. About $124 billion of that savings stems from provisions dealing with health care and federal revenues; the other $19 billion results from the education provisions. Those figures do not include potential costs that would be funded through future appropriations (those are discussed on pages 10-11 of the cost estimate).


However, I would fully expect these numbers to be revised AGAIN when we start learning the results of the 'law of unintended consequences'.

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From the CBO

http://www.cbo.gov/publications/collections/health.cfm



However, I would fully expect these numbers to be revised AGAIN when we start learning the results of the 'law of unintended consequences'.


I certainly have read the CBO report, both the first one and the many changes that have followed and am struck by all the POSSIBLE's and MAYBE's and the deferrment of savings for years !

But,as I have said before, this bill DOES NOTHING FOR HEALTH COSTS which is what this President loud and clear touted as what he would do....health costs are now rising across the board.

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But,as I have said before, this bill DOES NOTHING FOR HEALTH COSTS which is what this President loud and clear touted as what he would do....health costs are now rising across the board.

As he stated it would bend the cost curve down. Yet another lie to dupe the blind followers. As most of us still in the work force know, the cost curve is bending up dramatically.

Next year for me? Reduced benefits at a much higher cost. Obama care was designed to do two things. Drive private insurers out of business and force everyone on to a single payer government controlled system.

How many times does it have to be said? This bill is pure evil and so are those who crafted it.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8HnkxIh62dQ

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As he stated it would bend the cost curve down. Yet another lie to dupe the blind followers. As most of us still in the work force know, the cost curve is bending up dramatically.

Next year for me? Reduced benefits at a much higher cost. Obama care was designed to do two things. Drive private insurers out of business and force everyone on to a single payer government controlled system.

How many times does it have to be said? This bill is pure evil and so are those who crafted it.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8HnkxIh62dQ

i'm convinced that it was the health insurance industry that crafted it - they are the ones who are increasing the costs while congressmen stand around saying 'i didn't know that'!

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i'm convinced that it was the health insurance industry that crafted it - they are the ones who are increasing the costs while congressmen stand around saying 'i didn't know that'!

Dont listen to what he says...watch what he is doing !!!

Then, this morning on the Morning Joe show on MSNBC, I hear them talking about the Democratic senators who are saying privately how this WH is doing nothing, nor has done anything to promote any bi partisanship relationships with the Republicans which is pretty apparent although they cant say this publicly of course.

This WH is the single most arrogant, party minded, political WH I have ever seen. It will be interesting to see what, if anything, he does with his staff as a result of the election. This is one of the very few WH's ever to not have anyone outside his "inner circle" on staff. I heard Dem Dee Dee Meyers of the Clinton press, and a Dem strategist saying that she hoped that he would step outside that circle for the next two years !