PEMF - Pulsed Electro Magnetic Therapy

[JohnN]

Anyone have any pro or con real experiences with PEMF ??
Please post only if you have actually used it, I'm not looking for opinions. Peace.


Here's an interesting book link at Amazon. Read the free sample!
https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B09NGXGBFD/ref=kinw_myk_ro_title

[blueash]

Your belief that you get useful information from people who had PEMF and their thoughts are not an "opinion" might bear some reconsideration. The placebo effect is huge in pain studies. Perhaps you should be seeking the "opinion" of medical researchers and looking at real studies for your guidance.

A series on anecdotes is still anecdotal data. If I asked for TOTV experiences from those people who were in car crashes about the benefit of seat belts to prevent death, just those actually in the crash not others who had opinions, 100% of the responses would say the seat belts worked.... because when the seat belt failed the person is dead and not likely to be posting. Selection bias and wording as well as choice of data points is critical in understanding medical outcome.

If you actually want to read on the efficacy of PEMF you can sift thru the studies available on google scholar...

For those who do not know, google has a specialized search engine for science literature.

Google Scholar (https://scholar.google.com/)

There you can enter your key words, in this case PEMF and perhaps your disease, osteoarthritis human efficacy and there will be a date restriction option once you have results. For most medical data I'd suggest 2018 or more recent. Meta analysis added as a key word will get you reports of authors who combined the data from many smaller studies to try to get a better data set. Here is a screen shot of the kind of articles you see. Sometimes the link is to the entire article and sometimes to a summary only.

Google Scholar (https://scholar.google.com/scholar?hl=en&as_sdt=0%2C10&as_ylo=2018&q=pulsed+electromagnetic+field+therapy+osteoarthri tis+meta+analysis&oq=pulsed+electromagnetic+field+therapy+osteoarthr itis+meta)

[retiredguy123]

Your belief that you get useful information from people who had PEMF and their thoughts are not an "opinion" might bear some reconsideration. The placebo effect is huge in pain studies. Perhaps you should be seeking the "opinion" of medical researchers and looking at real studies for your guidance.

A series on anecdotes is still anecdotal data. If I asked for TOTV experiences from those people who were in car crashes about the benefit of seat belts to prevent death, just those actually in the crash not others who had opinions, 100% of the responses would say the seat belts worked.... because when the seat belt failed the person is dead and not likely to be posting. Selection bias and wording as well as choice of data points is critical in understanding medical outcome.

If you actually want to read on the efficacy of PEMF you can sift thru the studies available on google scholar...

For those who do not know, google has a specialized search engine for science literature.

Google Scholar (https://scholar.google.com/)

There you can enter your key words, in this case PEMF and perhaps your disease, osteoarthritis human efficacy and there will be a date restriction option once you have results. For most medical data I'd suggest 2018 or more recent. Meta analysis added as a key word will get you reports of authors who combined the data from many smaller studies to try to get a better data set. Here is a screen shot of the kind of articles you see. Sometimes the link is to the entire article and sometimes to a summary only.

Google Scholar (https://scholar.google.com/scholar?hl=en&as_sdt=0%2C10&as_ylo=2018&q=pulsed+electromagnetic+field+therapy+osteoarthri tis+meta+analysis&oq=pulsed+electromagnetic+field+therapy+osteoarthr itis+meta)
Question: If the placebo effect is huge, why doesn't the FTC or other Government entity do something to curb the non-stop television ads by companies making billions by selling OTC products solely by using anecdotal claims by customers?

[JohnN]

I appreciate your thoughts so thanks for telling me what I already knew. I've extensively read the internet data and talked to my docs.

I've had cancer. I picked up tips and tidbits from other patients on how to deal with side effects. When my doc asked me about this or that, and I shared the tip, the doctor mostly said "well I didn't know that". Sometimes you have to walk the walk is my point.

[golfing eagles]

Your belief that you get useful information from people who had PEMF and their thoughts are not an "opinion" might bear some reconsideration. The placebo effect is huge in pain studies. Perhaps you should be seeking the "opinion" of medical researchers and looking at real studies for your guidance.

A series on anecdotes is still anecdotal data. If I asked for TOTV experiences from those people who were in car crashes about the benefit of seat belts to prevent death, just those actually in the crash not others who had opinions, 100% of the responses would say the seat belts worked.... because when the seat belt failed the person is dead and not likely to be posting. Selection bias and wording as well as choice of data points is critical in understanding medical outcome.

If you actually want to read on the efficacy of PEMF you can sift thru the studies available on google scholar...

For those who do not know, google has a specialized search engine for science literature.

Google Scholar (https://scholar.google.com/)

There you can enter your key words, in this case PEMF and perhaps your disease, osteoarthritis human efficacy and there will be a date restriction option once you have results. For most medical data I'd suggest 2018 or more recent. Meta analysis added as a key word will get you reports of authors who combined the data from many smaller studies to try to get a better data set. Here is a screen shot of the kind of articles you see. Sometimes the link is to the entire article and sometimes to a summary only.

Google Scholar (https://scholar.google.com/scholar?hl=en&as_sdt=0%2C10&as_ylo=2018&q=pulsed+electromagnetic+field+therapy+osteoarthri tis+meta+analysis&oq=pulsed+electromagnetic+field+therapy+osteoarthr itis+meta)

100% spot on!

[JohnN]

Why do folks assume that google, etc has not been looked at???? I'm just looking for some local, real experiences.
There seem to be a lot of smart people around here.

[blueash]

Question: If the placebo effect is huge, why doesn't the FTC or other Government entity do something to curb the non-stop television ads by companies making billions by selling OTC products solely by using anecdotal claims by customers?

The federal agencies used to have exactly the authority you wish they now had. However they were stripped of the authority to regulate OTC "alternative/holistic/homeopathic/vitamin/supplement/amino acids/minerals..." products by Dietary Supplement Health and Education Act of 1994 sponsored mostly by Sen O Hatch of Utah. Not surprisingly Utah was the home base of much of the industry producing these products.

The FDA used to have a rule that products must be safe and effective. That is still true for Rx meds. OTC nondrug products now only must be safe, no requirement for effective. The product label is supposed to accurately reflect what is in the pill but no government agency is checking for that. This is why some companies proudly tell you that their pill actually has what it says on the label. OTC drugs like tylenol are regulated and have useful label information.

When you see FDA approved that only means that what they are selling is allowed to be sold, not that any health benefits have been established. You will often see a statement like ""This statement has not been evaluated by the Food and Drug Administration." on supplements. It means exactly what it says. Buyer beware, YMMV

Advertising for supplements is no different than advertising for cars, soda, shampoos, or the most comfortable underwear.

[Tvflguy]

Real-life experience here. We have had a Beamer PEMF for 6 years now. Use it every day. We have definitely seen fast recovery for bruising, aches, and skin issues. And believe it or not male balding in crown area, really. Our health overall has been wonderful and we both swear by it. The system is expensive but in our life, so we’ll worth it.

[JohnN]

Real-life experience here. We have had a Beamer PEMF for 6 years now. Use it every day. We have definitely seen fast recovery for bruising, aches, and skin issues. And believe it or not male balding in crown area, really. Our health overall has been wonderful and we both swear by it. The system is expensive but in our life, so we’ll worth it.

Thanks for the input, appreciated.

[Stu from NYC]

Question: If the placebo effect is huge, why doesn't the FTC or other Government entity do something to curb the non-stop television ads by companies making billions by selling OTC products solely by using anecdotal claims by customers?

Big Pharma and other people selling otc stuff owns congress. Sad isnt it.

[Stu from NYC]

Your belief that you get useful information from people who had PEMF and their thoughts are not an "opinion" might bear some reconsideration. The placebo effect is huge in pain studies. Perhaps you should be seeking the "opinion" of medical researchers and looking at real studies for your guidance.

A series on anecdotes is still anecdotal data. If I asked for TOTV experiences from those people who were in car crashes about the benefit of seat belts to prevent death, just those actually in the crash not others who had opinions, 100% of the responses would say the seat belts worked.... because when the seat belt failed the person is dead and not likely to be posting. Selection bias and wording as well as choice of data points is critical in understanding medical outcome.

If you actually want to read on the efficacy of PEMF you can sift thru the studies available on google scholar...

For those who do not know, google has a specialized search engine for science literature.

Google Scholar (https://scholar.google.com/)

There you can enter your key words, in this case PEMF and perhaps your disease, osteoarthritis human efficacy and there will be a date restriction option once you have results. For most medical data I'd suggest 2018 or more recent. Meta analysis added as a key word will get you reports of authors who combined the data from many smaller studies to try to get a better data set. Here is a screen shot of the kind of articles you see. Sometimes the link is to the entire article and sometimes to a summary only.

Google Scholar (https://scholar.google.com/scholar?hl=en&as_sdt=0%2C10&as_ylo=2018&q=pulsed+electromagnetic+field+therapy+osteoarthri tis+meta+analysis&oq=pulsed+electromagnetic+field+therapy+osteoarthr itis+meta)

Wow had no idea about this. Went there looked up a few diseases and huge amount of info showed up.

Thank you so much.

[Two Bills]

Many moons ago I bred and raced greyhounds as a hobby.
An early form of pulse therapy helped speed up the recovery time from muscle injuries.
It was the miracle machine of its time.
I would imagine similar machines today, with their superior technological advances, are much more effective.

[Eg_cruz]

Question: If the placebo effect is huge, why doesn't the FTC or other Government entity do something to curb the non-stop television ads by companies making billions by selling OTC products solely by using anecdotal claims by customers?
Money money money

[Eg_cruz]

I appreciate your thoughts so thanks for telling me what I already knew. I've extensively read the internet data and talked to my docs.

I've had cancer. I picked up tips and tidbits from other patients on how to deal with side effects. When my doc asked me about this or that, and I shared the tip, the doctor mostly said "well I didn't know that". Sometimes you have to walk the walk is my point.
My daughter and niece use TENS and loves it. Maybe try the TENS first it would be on a smaller scale then the mat but may help you see if you get the relief you are looking for.
TENS can be ordered by your dr or you can buy them on Amazon.
Best to you

[me4vt]

I don’t believe People still trust Goggle as a search engine! Using Goggle is like literally involving BIG Brother in everything you do!!

[Tvflguy]

Many moons ago I bred and raced greyhounds as a hobby.
An early form of pulse therapy helped speed up the recovery time from muscle injuries.
It was the miracle machine of its time.
I would imagine similar machines today, with their superior technological advances, are much more effective.

Many racehorse breeders use Bemer PEMF for their horses, recovering from workouts quicker. Many independent studies re PEMF show the benefits. We love ours.

[Carol Fiore]

Anyone have any pro or con real experiences with PEMF ??
Please post only if you have actually used it, I'm not looking for opinions. Peace.


Here's an interesting book link at Amazon. Read the free sample!
Amazon.com (https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B09NGXGBFD/ref=kinw_myk_ro_title)

My husband and I use an PEMF mat with infrared and heat therapy 2 times a day (20 min). It helps with our back pain. It also lowed my blood pressure. I just got off the mat and my blood pressure is 122/74. My blood pressure was 162/101 and my doctor wanted me to take blood pressure meds. I bought the PEMF mat and tried it for 30 days and it worked for me.

[Villages Kahuna]

We have owned and used a Bemer PEMF, also for about six years. The efficacy of the device and treatment is well documented and available to those who choose to research it. I’m actually using my Bemer as I write this—to accelerate the healing of a wound and to also help heal and reduce pain in a pulled neck muscle. If you don’t want to take the time to examine the academic research, seek out actual users. You will find their responses quite consistent.

What our Bemer does is pretty easy to understand. It accelerates blood flow in the area being treated. The faster blood flow brings more healing oxygen as well as speeding the removal of toxins which slow healing.from the area being treated. Many users have reported other amazing results—improved vision, hearing, hair growth, improved blood pressure and so forth.

[waterflower]

Anyone have any pro or con real experiences with PEMF ??
Please post only if you have actually used it, I'm not looking for opinions. Peace.


Here's an interesting book link at Amazon. Read the free sample!
https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B09NGXGBFD/ref=kinw_myk_ro_title

I have used the Pulse machine for a broken foot. After 20 hours of therapy I was completely healed. Look at there website. Highly recommend the therapy for many illnesses. The owners wife was healed of cancer from the therapy.

[NotGolfer]

TENS and PEMF are two different things. I have both and haven't used my TENS since I purchased the PEMF. Mine is an OSKA----I first heard about them from a friend who had one. He works in the medical field but at the support level. He said he's researched these before deciding on the OSKA. I've had mine, maybe for 4 yrs or so. I've used it for lower back pain as well as my rheumatoid arthritis pain. "Snake oil"?? I'm not so sure...people are always skeptical of things that don't make sense to them. IF you've not tried it---well then it will still fall in that skepticism area. The Bemers, I'm familiar with and if they weren't so expensive I'd buy one of those for sure.

[golfing eagles]

I have used the Pulse machine for a broken foot. After 20 hours of therapy I was completely healed. Look at there website. Highly recommend the therapy for many illnesses. The owners wife was healed of cancer from the therapy.

Since blue responded to the first post, I'll take this one, it's a complete softball.

There are three possibilities:
a) the foot was never fractured in the first place
b) the foot was never "completely healed" in 20 hours
c) the fracture was 99% healed before PEMF was ever applied

Simply put, chemotactic factors at the fracture site cannot attract enough osteoclasts and osteoblasts to remodel bone and lay down new osseous matrix in 20 hours, even 20 days is a stretch.
So, was the fracture diagnosed by a health care professional with examination and radiographs, PEMF prescribed, and then reexamined and x rays repeated 20 hours later with the professional declaring the fracture to be "completely healed". Somehow, I doubt it.

As far as "highly recommended for many illnesses" goes, by whom?????Internet testimonials????? Manufacturer????? Hmmmmm.......

[Wyseguy]

Since blue responded to the first post, I'll take this one, it's a complete softball.

There are three possibilities:
a) the foot was never fractured in the first place
b) the foot was never "completely healed" in 20 hours
c) the fracture was 99% healed before PEMF was ever applied

Simply put, chemotactic factors at the fracture site cannot attract enough osteoclasts and osteoblasts to remodel bone and lay down new osseous matrix in 20 hours, even 20 days is a stretch.
So, was the fracture diagnosed by a health care professional with examination and radiographs, PEMF prescribed, and then reexamined and x rays repeated 20 hours later with the professional declaring the fracture to be "completely healed". Somehow, I doubt it.

As far as "highly recommended for many illnesses" goes, by whom?????Internet testimonials????? Manufacturer????? Hmmmmm.......

The original poster said twenty hours of treatment. That could have been 20 days at 1 hour per day, or even 40 days at 30 minutes per day. The question is, did the device reduce the recovery time. No way for me to know.

[golfing eagles]

The original poster said twenty hours of treatment. That could have been 20 days at 1 hour per day, or even 40 days at 30 minutes per day. The question is, did the device reduce the recovery time. No way for me to know.

Thanks for picking up on that---I misread it, apologies to the OP. Does it reduce recovery time----yes, I believe it does. Does it cure hypertension? Well....:1rotfl::1rotfl::1rotfl:

[bp243]

Real-life experience here. We have had a Beamer PEMF for 6 years now. Use it every day. We have definitely seen fast recovery for bruising, aches, and skin issues. And believe it or not male balding in crown area, really. Our health overall has been wonderful and we both swear by it. The system is expensive but in our life, so we’ll worth it.

How wonderful that your ‘real life’ experience was possible to share!

[bp243]

Real-life experience here. We have had a Beamer PEMF for 6 years now. Use it every day. We have definitely seen fast recovery for bruising, aches, and skin issues. And believe it or not male balding in crown area, really. Our health overall has been wonderful and we both swear by it. The system is expensive but in our life, so we’ll worth it.

Thank you for this confirmation. Where did you purchase your Bemer PEMF? I’d like to explore this product.

[bp243]

My husband and I use an PEMF mat with infrared and heat therapy 2 times a day (20 min). It helps with our back pain. It also lowed my blood pressure. I just got off the mat and my blood pressure is 122/74. My blood pressure was 162/101 and my doctor wanted me to take blood pressure meds. I bought the PEMF mat and tried it for 30 days and it worked for me.

Thanks for your input. Where did you purchase your mat?

[PugMom]

i'm looking on amazon now, & they range in price & styles. cheapest is $295.00, all the up to over $1,000.00

[vonbork]

TENS and PEMF are two different things. I have both and haven't used my TENS since I purchased the PEMF. Mine is an OSKA----I first heard about them from a friend who had one. He works in the medical field but at the support level. He said he's researched these before deciding on the OSKA. I've had mine, maybe for 4 yrs or so. I've used it for lower back pain as well as my rheumatoid arthritis pain. "Snake oil"?? I'm not so sure...people are always skeptical of things that don't make sense to them. IF you've not tried it---well then it will still fall in that skepticism area. The Bemers, I'm familiar with and if they weren't so expensive I'd buy one of those for sure.

I agree that PEMF and TENS are two different things. I get physical therapy for my peripheral neuropathy at a location that also sells an infrared treatment device and provides PEMF treatments at a price. After doing some research, I purchased an PEMF ring on Amazon figuring I had 30 days to try it and send it back. I'm not positive that it's helping but my feet and hands are doing better. (with P/T, and a variety of meds, it's hard to pinpoint what is working and what is not). I also purchased a mat to see if it would help with back issues and my wife's arthritis. The jury is still out on the mat.

[Tvflguy]

Thanks for your input. Where did you purchase your mat?

The Bemer is only sold in the USA by their authorized distributors. Recommend that you you to the Bemer site and review all info. I believe that they will provide distributor names near you. Ours is right down the street here. They will provide all info and give you a trial.

[Redsmom]

My husband and I purchased a Bemer with dual mats so that we could both use it overnight at the same time. It’s of course hard to say what our health would be without it, but the most dramatic results were when my husband had knee replacement surgery in 2016. (He was age 75 then.) Prior to the surgery for about 2 weeks he twice daily used a focused application of the wave on the knee. When he had the surgery he was in hospital for 2 days and the nurses pushed the pain killers on him despite him saying he had no pain, tho they gave him a reduced dose. Once leaving the hospital, he never took another pain pill. He continued to use the Bemer 2 times a day using the focused application. He performed all the required PT and exceeded the mobility tests the therapist put him through. All turned out very well and he credits the Bemer. Of course, I don’t know if others need no pain pills after this kind of surgery…? Maybe his experience is not unusual??? There are studies available on PEMF and the Bemer on Pubmed. My understanding is that it increases the blood flow in the micro capillaries.

Oh, one other thing: a couple days after coming home from the hospital we noticed that he had a huge pool of blood under the skin in the back of his thigh. He used the Bemer on this and the bruise was gone after a few 12 minute treatments. That was definitely not like him; he bruises easily and they normally take quite awhile to go away.

We purchased our Bemer in Tampa before we retired in 2015 after a health conscious client of ours invited us to a demonstration / meeting in Clearwater. I would recommend attending such a meeting to hear many ppl tell their experiences. Our purchase was about $6K for the pro model that will allow you to run two applications simultaneously. I think there is a 10 year warranty? But not sure about that. We are both very happy we got the device and continue to use it daily.

[gail swanson]

Your belief that you get useful information from people who had PEMF and their thoughts are not an "opinion" might bear some reconsideration. The placebo effect is huge in pain studies. Perhaps you should be seeking the "opinion" of medical researchers and looking at real studies for your guidance.

A series on anecdotes is still anecdotal data. If I asked for TOTV experiences from those people who were in car crashes about the benefit of seat belts to prevent death, just those actually in the crash not others who had opinions, 100% of the responses would say the seat belts worked.... because when the seat belt failed the person is dead and not likely to be posting. Selection bias and wording as well as choice of data points is critical in understanding medical outcome.

If you actually want to read on the efficacy of PEMF you can sift thru the studies available on google scholar...

For those who do not know, google has a specialized search engine for science literature.

Google Scholar (https://scholar.google.com/)

There you can enter your key words, in this case PEMF and perhaps your disease, osteoarthritis human efficacy and there will be a date restriction option once you have results. For most medical data I'd suggest 2018 or more recent. Meta analysis added as a key word will get you reports of authors who combined the data from many smaller studies to try to get a better data set. Here is a screen shot of the kind of articles you see. Sometimes the link is to the entire article and sometimes to a summary only.

Google Scholar (https://scholar.google.com/scholar?hl=en&as_sdt=0%2C10&as_ylo=2018&q=pulsed+electromagnetic+field+therapy+osteoarthri tis+meta+analysis&oq=pulsed+electromagnetic+field+therapy+osteoarthr itis+meta)

Thank you for the resource info!!!