Respect for Police/Sheriff

[PennBF]

I believe a good indication of the lack of respect for our Sheriff's Deputies and Office can be found just by riding the Golf Path that runs next to 466 between CVS and 441/27. Almost everyone knows there is a Sheriff's office at the intersection of 466 and Morse Bld. however the speed of vehicles on 466 makes it a good racetrack ignoring any Sheriff's station on the side. To a degree it is the same on the Golf Path. We were cut off in our Golf Cart on the path by a light blue "Smart Car" which was doing at least 30-35mph! If in fact there is a total disregard for traffic controls around a Sheriff's Office what makes anyone think anywhere else there is concern regarding speeding. :shrug:

[Chellybean]

I believe a good indication of the lack of respect for our Sheriff's Deputies and Office can be found just by riding the Golf Path that runs next to 466 between CVS and 441/27. Almost everyone knows there is a Sheriff's office at the intersection of 466 and Morse Bld. however the speed of vehicles on 466 makes it a good racetrack ignoring any Sheriff's station on the side. To a degree it is the same on the Golf Path. We were cut off in our Golf Cart on the path by a light blue "Smart Car" which was doing at least 30-35mph! If in fact there is a total disregard for traffic controls around a Sheriff's Office what makes anyone think anywhere else there is concern regarding speeding. :shrug:

Welcome to the entitled villagers!

[Topspinmo]

Same on CR42 and B/V sheriffs sub office and the fly down CR42 and B/V. Hear rice rocket coming 4 miles away and 4 miles pass going at least 60 plus as he flying by mulberry every morning at 7:30 AM. Then there the VA employees that cutting through Publix parking lot going 30 plus. You would think in 8 years I been I would seen speed trap just once in Marion county? But Marion county one of biggest counties in Florida and I sure there bigger fish to fry other than around villages?

[PennBF]

A Village guessing game. Why do you believe The Villages Sheriff's Office does not give out
many speeding tickets nor monitor speeding very much in the Villages? :ho:

[golfing eagles]

A Village guessing game. Why do you believe The Villages Sheriff's Office does not give out
many speeding tickets nor monitor speeding very much in the Villages? :ho:

Flip side of the coin: I drive at the speed limit in the Villages. Why should I or anyone else care if someone is speeding? They pass, they go, they're gone. Not my problem. In fact, give me a 25 year old "speeding" any day over a 90 year old driving 20 in a 35 zone----they're far more dangerous

[PugMom]

just my opinion, but those smart cars have no place on the golf paths. the 1st time i saw it i almost called community watch until somebody said it was ok. if i had a cart, i'd hate to see those coming @ me on such a small pathway. looks like an accident waiting to happen

[Michael G.]

On the same note, the same can be said about Hwy's 441/27 Hwy 42 or Hwy 301 racetracks.

Not only the speed and dangerous driving, how about the exhaust-less noise on motorcycles that seems to be excepted by the general public.

Seriously, at my age, retired and far gone from my youth, I find a lot of things are out of my control, so enjoy your time that you have left.

[ThirdOfFive]

On the same note, the same can be said about Hwy's 441/27 Hwy 42 or Hwy 301 racetracks.

Not only the speed and dangerous driving, how about the exhaust-less noise on motorcycles that seems to be excepted by the general public.

Seriously, at my age, retired and far gone from my youth, I find a lot of things are out of my control, so enjoy your time that you have left.
Excellent sentiment. More people should take it to heart.

[Topspinmo]

Flip side of the coin: I drive at the speed limit in the Villages. Why should I or anyone else care if someone is speeding? They pass, they go, they're gone. Not my problem. In fact, give me a 25 year old "speeding" any day over a 90 year old driving 20 in a 35 zone----they're far more dangerous

Not too many 90 year olds driving, imo maybe 2 out of 1000. Yep, just what want to meet 25 year old or less coming at me texting.

[Topspinmo]

just my opinion, but those smart cars have no place on the golf paths. the 1st time i saw it i almost called community watch until somebody said it was ok. if i had a cart, i'd hate to see those coming @ me on such a small pathway. looks like an accident waiting to happen


No license vehicle should be on MMP. But, these LSVs get pass cause of the entitled golfers.

[golfing eagles]

Not too many 90 year olds driving, imo maybe 2 out of 1000. Yep, just what want to meet 25 year old or less coming at me texting.

Have you looked at what's behind the wheel in Florida lately??????? Although, I'll admit since many of them can't see over the steering wheel, you won't be able to see them either. :1rotfl:

[Number 10 GI]

I've seen quite a number of drivers that hug the steering wheel with hands at 10 and 2 o'clock gripping it like it is going to get away from them. If they ever get into an accident and the airbag deploys, they will likely suffer serious injury or death with their upper torso so close to the steering wheel. That airbag deploys with significant force.
I can tell when following these drivers they have their foot on the brake pedal as brake light is on. This practice prematurely wears out the brake pads and rotors and the constant drag creates heat that degrades the efficiency of the brake system increasing the stopping distance. All this demonstrates their loss of vision acuity and reaction time.

[Byte1]

Don't worry, be happy!
There will always be fast and loud motor vehicles. There were those that ran their horses, including stage coaches that wanted to be on time. People that ride electric bikes that enjoy running them at top speed, and folks that like to job rather than walk. It's human nature; live with it. The only reason I have a tendency to get irritated when someone speeds by me is that I am doing the lawful limit and wish I could get away with driving faster also. I like driving fast, but I also hate to waste my money on tickets and higher insurance rates as a result. Too old to worry about someone that I don't even know.

[MartinSE]

It's not just here, it's everywhere all over the country. I don't see it as "disrespect" I see it as unsafe. But, then as much as I try to stay at or below the speed limit, sometimes it gets old having fists shaken at me as the speeders fly by. I guess, it seems that trying to go with the flow (same speed as most are going) is safest in the end.

[Dr.Butler]

It's not just here, it's everywhere all over the country. I don't see it as "disrespect" I see it as unsafe. But, then as much as I try to stay at or below the speed limit, sometimes it gets old having fists shaken at me as the speeders fly by. I guess, it seems that trying to go with the flow (same speed as most are going) is safest in the end.

Agree. What does a person being unsafe have anything to do with respect?

[coffeebean]

just my opinion, but those smart cars have no place on the golf paths. the 1st time i saw it i almost called community watch until somebody said it was ok. if i had a cart, i'd hate to see those coming @ me on such a small pathway. looks like an accident waiting to happen

Smart Cars are allowed on The Villages multi modal paths? I did not know that.

[golfing eagles]

Smart Cars are allowed on The Villages multi modal paths? I did not know that.

and it's even more entertaining when 2 of them pass on the Lake Sumter bridge:gc:

[EdFNJ]

Smart Cars are allowed on The Villages multi modal paths? I did not know that. They are most definitely NOT.

just my opinion, but those smart cars have no place on the golf paths. the 1st time i saw it i almost called community watch until somebody said it was ok. if i had a cart, i'd hate to see those coming @ me on such a small pathway. looks like an accident waiting to happen I think you may be confusing "Smart (brand) electric cars" with the LEGAL GOLF CARTS that look like Smart (brand) electric cars. There are "Smart" brand electric cars (made by Mercedes Benz) that are not allowed on any path, then there are the GOLF CARTS that CLOSELY RESEMBLE Smart(brand) electric cars and are required to follow all golf cart laws, rules & regs and are air conditioned and can legally go anywhere you go in your Yamamamahah. They even are often seen ON the golf courses. One is a LEGAL golf cart , the other a LICENSED VEHICLE that can go 80mph. The "golf cart" CAN be made street legal just like any other regular golf cart you see running down Morse or BV except this one has A/C, heat & wipers and power windows etc etc.. Most are NOT street legal and are no different than a golf cart and in fact are SMALLER than MANY golf carts. You shouldn't let them worry you unless you see a Smart (brand) electric Vehicle cruising down the MMP at 60MPH. Some newbies and snowbirds have accidentally ended up on the MMP's with real cars. We recently saw a Cadillac trying to get through the LSL tunnel.

[ThirdOfFive]

Smart Cars are allowed on The Villages multi modal paths? I did not know that.
I'm not sure that they are.
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The original "Smart" Car, made by Mercedes, is no longer sold new in America and haven't been since 2019. But that car was designed as a road automobile. I see a few golf buggies that look a whole lot like a "Smart" car (and might be just as spendy) but aren't. They're golf cars in fancy clothing, notwithstanding that some of them have A/C, high-end sound system, etc. etc.

[Eg_cruz]

I believe a good indication of the lack of respect for our Sheriff's Deputies and Office can be found just by riding the Golf Path that runs next to 466 between CVS and 441/27. Almost everyone knows there is a Sheriff's office at the intersection of 466 and Morse Bld. however the speed of vehicles on 466 makes it a good racetrack ignoring any Sheriff's station on the side. To a degree it is the same on the Golf Path. We were cut off in our Golf Cart on the path by a light blue "Smart Car" which was doing at least 30-35mph! If in fact there is a total disregard for traffic controls around a Sheriff's Office what makes anyone think anywhere else there is concern regarding speeding. :shrug:
I drive 5 to 7 miles over on 466. It has nothing to do on whether or not I respect the sheriffs department (which I have nothing but respect for all law enforcement) it has to do with 466 should be 50 mile an hour zone not 45……just saying

[Eg_cruz]

On the same note, the same can be said about Hwy's 441/27 Hwy 42 or Hwy 301 racetracks.

Not only the speed and dangerous driving, how about the exhaust-less noise on motorcycles that seems to be excepted by the general public.

Seriously, at my age, retired and far gone from my youth, I find a lot of things are out of my control, so enjoy your time that you have left.
The most dangerous road right now is 441 / 27 from Sam’s Club to 466. It is a hot mess. To many curves and weird lines.

[FredJacobs]

Flip side of the coin: I drive at the speed limit in the Villages. Why should I or anyone else care if someone is speeding? They pass, they go, they're gone. Not my problem. In fact, give me a 25 year old "speeding" any day over a 90 year old driving 20 in a 35 zone----they're far more dangerous

When drivers pass me, doing 15 to 20 MPH over the limit, I say to myself, "Thanks, you're the one that they are waiting for and I can continue at my speed."

[tsmall22204]

Stop complaining and speed like everyone else. Cut someone off also. Whining

[BlackHarley]

Flip side of the coin: I drive at the speed limit in the Villages. Why should I or anyone else care if someone is speeding? They pass, they go, they're gone. Not my problem. In fact, give me a 25 year old "speeding" any day over a 90 year old driving 20 in a 35 zone----they're far more dangerous
Don't ban high performance cars...just low performance drivers!

[GOLFER54]

If you drive the lawful speed limit and others do not, they and they alone will bear the consequences of a ticket or possible accident.

[HospitalCoder]

No license vehicle should be on MMP. But, these LSVs get pass cause of the entitled golfers.

Actually, licensed golf carts are allowed on the MMP but should not exceed 20 mph when on the MMP.

Some people are calling the carts they see “smart cars” but they are actually Atomic golf carts and MUST use the MMP unless licensed. Once licensed, they can use the MMP at speeds not to exceed 20 mph. They may also drive on any road with posted speed limits not exceeding 35 mph.

Smart cars are automobiles and are not allowed on the MMP.

[Joe C.]

I FEEL THE NEED FOR SPEED !!!!!

Man has since the beginning of time, been involved in going quicker and faster. It's in our blood (most of us anyway). However, the quest for speed involves some degree of danger, that's why we have brakes, seat belts, turn signals and parachutes. The problem is that lots of people don't use their brakes (in a timely fashion), seat belts and turn signals. That's why there are accidents.

[MartinSE]

If you drive the lawful speed limit and others do not, they and they alone will bear the consequences of a ticket or possible accident.

Well, you should have left off the "possible accident". Speeding is often related to multi-car crashes. So, other people are affected. The rest you got right.

[MartinSE]

Actually, licensed golf carts are allowed on the MMP but should not exceed 20 mph when on the MMP.

Some people are calling the carts they see “smart cars” but they are actually Atomic golf carts and MUST use the MMP unless licensed. Once licensed, they can use the MMP at speeds not to exceed 20 mph. They may also drive on any road with posted speed limits not exceeding 35 mph.

Smart cars are automobiles and are not allowed on the MMP.

Nice, simple, concise, none insulting and informative.

Thank you.

[Geodyssey]

Flip side of the coin: I drive at the speed limit in the Villages. Why should I or anyone else care if someone is speeding?

There's the All-American attitude!

[Nucky]

Post #18 has pictures that will show you the similarities of a Smart Car and a Atomic looking Smart CART.

I’m pretty sure He’ll is Going to Freeze Over Today! Can’t believe we agree on something. It’s a miracle.

[frose]

there are no speed limits.. go whatever you want until you wreck, then the fun starts.

[YeOldeCurmudgeon]

Flip side of the coin: I drive at the speed limit in the Villages. Why should I or anyone else care if someone is speeding? They pass, they go, they're gone. Not my problem. In fact, give me a 25 year old "speeding" any day over a 90 year old driving 20 in a 35 zone----they're far more dangerous

Pretty general statement that doesn't make much sense. How many 90 year-olds do you know who still drive? And when you talk speeding, how much over the speed limit are you talking? Very few people these days actually drive the speed limit or less, which is a much bigger problem and the cause of most of the accidents that occur.
Stop worrying about the 90 year-olds driving; if they do, they're just a nuisance, and not likely to cause an accident unless the people behind them are too impatient like most people are and the reason they speed which causes the accidents.

[OhioBuckeye]

Why all of a sudden are you beating up on TV law enforcement! What’s your point?

[Rodneysblue]

Welcome to the entitled villagers!

The few trying to ruin it for the rest of us.

[Luggage]

I dont get it ? getting to the cemetary faster ?

[rsmurano]

A lot of The drivers here in TV are pretty bad, in cars or golf carts. For cars, I see people take 5 or more seconds to start moving after a green light, going up to 10 mph slower than the speed limit, slow drivers in the left lane, and the worst drivers don’t know how to navigate the roundabouts.
In golf carts, going much slower than typical but when you try to pass, magically the golf cart goes much faster.
Why can’t drivers let people pass them who want to go the speed limit or maybe a little faster? If somebody gets on my tail and I’m going as fast as I can go in my golf cart, I’ll let them pass as soon as it’s safe and most of the time they will say thanks as they pass

[LTCHSIEGEL]

Hands need to be at 9 & 3 to avoid getting slapped in the face,
ltcherb

[justjim]

It's not just here, it's everywhere all over the country. I don't see it as "disrespect" I see it as unsafe. But, then as much as I try to stay at or below the speed limit, sometimes it gets old having fists shaken at me as the speeders fly by. I guess, it seems that trying to go with the flow (same speed as most are going) is safest in the end.

Many off duty police in their own private cars often speed too. I’m talking 25-30miles and hour over the speed limit. If pulled over, they show their badge and get a pass. Trust me they were my friends and many moons ago we had a good working relationship. Comes with the job giving out those speeding tickets. :shrug:

[joelfmi]

Not too many 90 year olds driving, maybe 2 out of 1000. Yep, just what want to meet 25 year old or less coming at me texting.. This a very negative selling point, they made no previsions for this important problem, when a senior or 75 years old or 90 years old purchase a home there, they forget senior retirees that don's drive needs to go shopping, doctor appointments, amenity center that cost a lot of money to take a cab. So, special if you are a nondriver looking there do you due diligence before you move there.

[justjim]

I drive 5 to 7 miles over on 466. It has nothing to do on whether or not I respect the sheriffs department (which I have nothing but respect for all law enforcement) it has to do with 466 should be 50 mile an hour zone not 45……just saying

You make a good point. Recently we were in South Dakota where the legal speed limit was 80 mph. Of course, many were traveling at 90mph. Wide open spaces there but not so much on 466 but I don’t think 50mph is too fast for 466. The “Truck lobby” worked very hard to get the limit raised to that of a car. You see a number of truck/car accidents and those in a car come out on the short end. Is a large truck traveling at 70mph (and more) making it unsafe for a car traveling 70mph? After traveling more than two thousand miles on Interstates recently, I’m beginning to wonder… BTW, trooper’s patrolling the Interstate highways certainly have my respect.

[golfing eagles]

Pretty general statement that doesn't make much sense. How many 90 year-olds do you know who still drive? And when you talk speeding, how much over the speed limit are you talking? Very few people these days actually drive the speed limit or less, which is a much bigger problem and the cause of most of the accidents that occur.
Stop worrying about the 90 year-olds driving; if they do, they're just a nuisance, and not likely to cause an accident unless the people behind them are too impatient like most people are and the reason they speed which causes the accidents.

Just about everything you just stated is wrong. More accidents are caused by slower drivers than speeders. And there are plenty of 90 year olds driving in TV and Florida, but if you don't like that age, substitute 85 or 80. The point is, that regardless of age, slow drivers are a far greater danger than a "speeder". Just ask LEOs or truck drivers.

[golfing eagles]

You make a good point. Recently we were in South Dakota where the legal speed limit was 80 mph. Of course, many were traveling at 90mph. Wide open spaces there but not so much on 466 but I don’t think 50mph is too fast for 466. The “Truck lobby” worked very hard to get the limit raised to that of a car. You see a number of truck/car accidents and those in a car come out on the short end. Is a large truck traveling at 70mph (and more) making it unsafe for a car traveling 70mph? After traveling more than two thousand miles on Interstates recently, I’m beginning to wonder… BTW, trooper’s patrolling the Interstate highways certainly have my respect.

maybe not, but you would have loved a post from about 4 years ago. This ________(fill in the blank) posted that he always intentionally drives 30 mph in the farthest left lane of 466 in the 45 mph zone because HE thinks that is fast enough. Think about that: HE decided the speed limit for everyone else, despite the decision of the county legislature in conjugation with civil traffic engineers and force of law. HE decided. Absolutely beyond arrogance and entitlement, I'm not sure there is a word for it. I hope this ______(again, fill in the blank) is still on TOTV and sees this.

[Bogie Shooter]

. This a very negative selling point, they made no previsions for this important problem, when a senior or 75 years old or 90 years old purchase a home there, they forget senior retirees that don's drive needs to go shopping, doctor appointments, amenity center that cost a lot of money to take a cab. So, special if you are a nondriver looking there do you due diligence before you move there.

“ before you move THERE”
So, you still have not bought a home in The Villages? Just come on here and do your bashing, right..?

[Topspinmo]

Have you looked at what's behind the wheel in Florida lately??????? Although, I'll admit since many of them can't see over the steering wheel, you won't be able to see them either. :1rotfl:


Yes, still 90 year olds are less than 1%. A 25 year old or less thinks anybody over 50 shouldn’t be on the road.

[Topspinmo]

A lot of The drivers here in TV are pretty bad, in cars or golf carts. For cars, I see people take 5 or more seconds to start moving after a green light, going up to 10 mph slower than the speed limit, slow drivers in the left lane, and the worst drivers don’t know how to navigate the roundabouts.
In golf carts, going much slower than typical but when you try to pass, magically the golf cart goes much faster.
Why can’t drivers let people pass them who want to go the speed limit or maybe a little faster? If somebody gets on my tail and I’m going as fast as I can go in my golf cart, I’ll let them pass as soon as it’s safe and most of the time they will say thanks as they pass

And where do you think they come from? They brought their habits with them.

[Bellavita]

I really will never understand why all these old people are in such a hurry? They are supposed to be retired, happy, living the good life. There just isn't anything worth wrecking your golf cart about.

Smart cars are cars, are they allowed on the golf path?

For a super good time try riding your bike when one of these fast villagers are coming around. I ride the paths, most people are very nice but then there are those, we all know them.

YUP those few who stand out more than the nice guys, because they are so damn rude. By law you must be 3 feet from a bicycle.

Hey we are all going to die soon enough, what's the rush?


I believe a good indication of the lack of respect for our Sheriff's Deputies and Office can be found just by riding the Golf Path that runs next to 466 between CVS and 441/27. Almost everyone knows there is a Sheriff's office at the intersection of 466 and Morse Bld. however the speed of vehicles on 466 makes it a good racetrack ignoring any Sheriff's station on the side. To a degree it is the same on the Golf Path. We were cut off in our Golf Cart on the path by a light blue "Smart Car" which was doing at least 30-35mph! If in fact there is a total disregard for traffic controls around a Sheriff's Office what makes anyone think anywhere else there is concern regarding speeding. :shrug:

[Laker14]

Just about everything you just stated is wrong. More accidents are caused by slower drivers than speeders. And there are plenty of 90 year olds driving in TV and Florida, but if you don't like that age, substitute 85 or 80. The point is, that regardless of age, slow drivers are a far greater danger than a "speeder". Just ask LEOs or truck drivers.

Wrong. Accidents are caused by impatient drivers who can't tolerate, even for a few precious minutes, someone who doesn't drive at their preferred speed, so rather than slow down for a minute or two and wait for a safe moment to pass, feel entitled to make erratic, unpredictable, and often unsignaled moves to overtake the driver.
Remember, "speed limit" refers to the maximum speed allowed by law, not the minimum speed required.

[Get real]

Wrong. Accidents are caused by impatient drivers who can't tolerate, even for a few precious minutes, someone who doesn't drive at their preferred speed, so rather than slow down for a minute or two and wait for a safe moment to pass, feel entitled to make erratic, unpredictable, and often unsignaled moves to overtake the driver.
Remember, "speed limit" refers to the maximum speed allowed by law, not the minimum speed required.

WRONG...More crashes are absolutely caused by slower drivers than speeders. They may not be in the crash, but they CAUSE many because of their arrogance or ignorance.
That's why there is the Road Rage law. So, please get out of the left lane.

[golfing eagles]

Wrong. Accidents are caused by impatient drivers who can't tolerate, even for a few precious minutes, someone who doesn't drive at their preferred speed, so rather than slow down for a minute or two and wait for a safe moment to pass, feel entitled to make erratic, unpredictable, and often unsignaled moves to overtake the driver.
Remember, "speed limit" refers to the maximum speed allowed by law, not the minimum speed required.

Which just proves my point----ask any LEO or truck driver---it is the SLOW DRIVER who is the CAUSE of the accidents---even if they are not involved themselves.

[Laker14]

Which just proves my point----ask any LEO or truck driver---it is the SLOW DRIVER who is the CAUSE of the accidents---even if they are not involved themselves.

I have asked LEOs. They concur that the slow driver is not the "cause" of the accident. That is why they are never ticketed. They are breaking no laws driving 30 in a 40. (I'm not talking about those driving below the minimum posted, which BTW is only in effect on Interstates having no fewer than 4 lanes). The accident is "caused" by the person who actually causes the accident. This is typically someone zipping around the slow driver, changing lanes without signaling. They may feel justified, but they are wrong. That's why they get the ticket.
The slow driver never gets the ticket because they are breaking no laws.

Ask far as asking truck drivers? Really?

I wouldn't want to be the guy who got in a wreck, changing lanes unsafely, cited, and defending himself in court by telling the judge, "It wasn't my fault. It was the slow driver who I was passing's fault." Not gonna fly, my friend.

[golfing eagles]

I have asked LEOs. They concur that the slow driver is not the "cause" of the accident. That is why they are never ticketed. They are breaking no laws driving 30 in a 40. (I'm not talking about those driving below the minimum posted, which BTW is only in effect on Interstates having no fewer than 4 lanes). The accident is "caused" by the person who actually causes the accident. This is typically someone zipping around the slow driver, changing lanes without signaling. They may feel justified, but they are wrong. That's why they get the ticket.
The slow driver never gets the ticket because they are breaking no laws.

Ask far as asking truck drivers? Really?

I wouldn't want to be the guy who got in a wreck, changing lanes unsafely, cited, and defending himself in court by telling the judge, "It wasn't my fault. It was the slow driver who I was passing's fault." Not gonna fly, my friend.

Still wrong. The slow driver IS the proximate cause. And he CAN be cited. If he is camping out in the left lane he absolutely can be ticketed for obstructing traffic . And the comment had nothing to do with driving “unsafely” or illegally speeding. It had to do with drivers who lack the skills to keep up with traffic, especially in the left lane , and thereby dictating a lower speed to everyone else on the road, which in Florida IS illegal. And also dangerous hence the number one cause of accidents

[Laker14]

Flip side of the coin: I drive at the speed limit in the Villages. Why should I or anyone else care if someone is speeding? They pass, they go, they're gone. Not my problem. In fact, give me a 25 year old "speeding" any day over a 90 year old driving 20 in a 35 zone----they're far more dangerous

Just about everything you just stated is wrong. More accidents are caused by slower drivers than speeders. And there are plenty of 90 year olds driving in TV and Florida, but if you don't like that age, substitute 85 or 80. The point is, that regardless of age, slow drivers are a far greater danger than a "speeder". Just ask LEOs or truck drivers.

WRONG...More crashes are absolutely caused by slower drivers than speeders. They may not be in the crash, but they CAUSE many because of their arrogance or ignorance.
That's why there is the Road Rage law. So, please get out of the left lane.

Still wrong. The slow driver IS the proximate cause. And he CAN be cited. If he is camping out in the left lane he absolutely can be ticketed for obstructing traffic . And the comment had nothing to do with driving “unsafely” or illegally speeding. It had to do with drivers who lack the skills to keep up with traffic, especially in the left lane , and thereby dictating a lower speed to everyone else on the road, which in Florida IS illegal. And also dangerous hence the number one cause of accidents

Y'all have switched the conversation from the slow driver, legally driving below the speed limit, to the driver obstructing the left lane, which is a citable offense. But originally you were just talking about someone legally going slower than the speed limit.

And, while the driver obstructing traffic in the left lane is breaking the law, and may well get a citation for it, that driver would not be held accountable for the impatient driver who darts around the slow car without checking what's behind him, and signaling. Even in that circumstance the overtaking vehicle is primarily responsible for driving safely and legally.

[golfing eagles]

Y'all have switched the conversation from the slow driver, legally driving below the speed limit, to the driver obstructing the left lane, which is a citable offense. But originally you were just talking about someone legally going slower than the speed limit.

And, while the driver obstructing traffic in the left lane is breaking the law, and may well get a citation for it, that driver would not be held accountable for the impatient driver who darts around the slow car without checking what's behind him, and signaling. Even in that circumstance the overtaking vehicle is primarily responsible for driving safely and legally.

Still don't get it? I switched NOTHING. The slow driver "legally driving below the speed limit" IS obstructing traffic (in the left lane). He IS REQUIRED BY LAW to move over if someone behind is travelling faster, even if that person is speeding. HE DOES NOT get to dictate speed to others. He might be dictating speed to someone transporting a sick child to the emergency room, or a woman in labor, or a volunteer fireman responding to a call.
But again, you've "switched", citing unsafe passing which is NOT what I was advocating nor alluding to. And yes, you're correct that it would be a poor defense in court to blame the slow driver for causing an accident that he was not a part of, but nevertheless he IS the cause of those accidents.

[Laker14]

Still don't get it? I switched NOTHING. The slow driver "legally driving below the speed limit" IS obstructing traffic (in the left lane). He IS REQUIRED BY LAW to move over if someone behind is travelling faster, even if that person is speeding. HE DOES NOT get to dictate speed to others. He might be dictating speed to someone transporting a sick child to the emergency room, or a woman in labor, or a volunteer fireman responding to a call.
But again, you've "switched", citing unsafe passing which is NOT what I was advocating nor alluding to. And yes, you're correct that it would be a poor defense in court to blame the slow driver for causing an accident that he was not a part of, but nevertheless he IS the cause of those accidents.


Re-read your original post, which I've conveniently quoted above. You start off saying nothing about the left lane, only slow drivers causing accidents. I totally "get it" that driving in the left lane below the speed limit, or even above it in certain circumstances is dangerous and against traffic laws. No argument there from me. But, indeed, if you re-read your original post, you said nothing about that.

[Laker14]

WRONG...More crashes are absolutely caused by slower drivers than speeders. They may not be in the crash, but they CAUSE many because of their arrogance or ignorance.
That's why there is the Road Rage law. So, please get out of the left lane.

Please show me a "road rage law", and where it targets the slow driver as being responsible for accidents.

[golfing eagles]

Re-read your original post, which I've conveniently quoted above. You start off saying nothing about the left lane, only slow drivers causing accidents. I totally "get it" that driving in the left lane below the speed limit, or even above it in certain circumstances is dangerous and against traffic laws. No argument there from me. But, indeed, if you re-read your original post, you said nothing about that.

Conceded. But clearly I was referring to the left lane---who cares if someone is driving slow in the right lane---that's where they belong.

[Laker14]

Conceded. But clearly I was referring to the left lane---who cares if someone is driving slow in the right lane---that's where they belong.

agreed.

[golfing eagles]

Please show me a "road rage law", and where it targets the slow driver as being responsible for accidents.

Show me a law that holds makers of violent video games responsible for teen shootings. Just because the law doesn't apply, doesn't mean the slow driver isn't the CAUSE

[Laker14]

WRONG...More crashes are absolutely caused by slower drivers than speeders. They may not be in the crash, but they CAUSE many because of their arrogance or ignorance.
That's why there is the Road Rage law. So, please get out of the left lane.

Please show me a "road rage law", and where it targets the slow driver as being responsible for accidents.

Show me a law that holds makers of violent video games responsible for teen shootings. Just because the law doesn't apply, doesn't mean the slow driver isn't the CAUSE

I was responding to the first quote above which seems to follow the logic that slow drivers cause accidents, and that's why there is a "road rage law"...I'd like to see the law and how it holds slow drivers accountable.

[golfing eagles]

I was responding to the first quote above which seems to follow the logic that slow drivers cause accidents, and that's why there is a "road rage law"...I'd like to see the law and how it holds slow drivers accountable.

I doubt that law exists. Maybe it should

[Laker14]

I doubt that law exists. Maybe it should

I doubt it exists also, which is why I was giving the poster who said it was somehow applicable to the discussion a chance to explain.

[Get real]

I doubt it exists also, which is why I was giving the poster who said it was somehow applicable to the discussion a chance to explain.

Thank you so much for the "chance" Please do your own research...but because I love to help.....


“SLOWER TRAFFIC KEEP RIGHT.” Signs like this and its closely related cousin (“KEEP RIGHT EXCEPT TO PASS”) are posted on highways around the country. The messages might seem like mere suggestions to drivers, but here in Florida it is the law. Florida State Statute 316.081 makes it a noncriminal traffic infraction, punishable as a moving violation for any driver to dawdle in the left lane proceeding at less than the normal speed of traffic and who doesn’t get out of the way of approaching vehicles.

This law is designed to cut down on dangerous, aggressive driving and road rage incidents. The goal of this law is to reserve the left lane for faster cars, so that traffic flows smoothly and vehicles have no need to rapidly switch lanes left and right to pass.

You are welcome

[Laker14]

Thank you so much for the "chance" Please do your own research...but because I love to help.....


“SLOWER TRAFFIC KEEP RIGHT.” Signs like this and its closely related cousin (“KEEP RIGHT EXCEPT TO PASS”) are posted on highways around the country. The messages might seem like mere suggestions to drivers, but here in Florida it is the law. Florida State Statute 316.081 makes it a noncriminal traffic infraction, punishable as a moving violation for any driver to dawdle in the left lane proceeding at less than the normal speed of traffic and who doesn’t get out of the way of approaching vehicles.

This law is designed to cut down on dangerous, aggressive driving and road rage incidents. The goal of this law is to reserve the left lane for faster cars, so that traffic flows smoothly and vehicles have no need to rapidly switch lanes left and right to pass.

You are welcome

and Thank You!. for posting a response not relevant to my question. We are all in agreement that slow traffic in the left lane needs to move over to let faster traffic pass. My question to you wasn't about that, it was about your comment that slow traffic causes more accidents than speeders, and that's why they have "The Road Rage Law"...that's what I asked about.
What do you have to support that claim?
I have read the entirety of Statute 316.081 and it makes no reference to "Road Rage".