(B Varient) Covid

[Fast Freddy]

As the Mayo Clinic Covid map for Florida indicates The Villages area is in or very near the hot spot of Orlando.
I became ill with tons of post nasal drip recently, difficult nights, saw an M. D., penicillin RX for Sinunitis. I wasn't acutely aware of the new B Varient that hit England.
First Warning: My future golf scramble was just cancelled due to so many Villagers cancelling out due to Covid symptoms.
Not reading current local news about this issue.
I decided to home test, Bingo, both my husband and myself tested Positive for Covid.
Now I'm finding the so called "Free" Covid testing program is not free at the drug stores, they want your insurance card, if not the cost is $129. Everyone has indicated just pop over and get tested, not so when you actually research it.
Hope this message helps someone.

[JohnN]

"Not reading current local news about this issue."

Yes, Covid still seems pretty bad, but seems to be not as newsworthy as Ukraine and SCOTUS decisions have preempted the health news. Best wishes and be safe.

[bagboy]

Everyone can order home covid tests at no charge.

COVID.gov/tests - Free at-home COVID-19 tests (https://www.covid.gov/tests)

[Fast Freddy]

Everyone can order home covid tests at no charge.

COVID.gov/tests - Free at-home COVID-19 tests (https://www.covid.gov/tests)

Thank you

[Stu from NYC]

We both had covid last month happily not a very severe case but no idea which variant. Easy to get test kits for at home testing.

[Carla B]

We both had covid last month happily not a very severe case but no idea which variant. Easy to get test kits for at home testing.

So did you find out you were positive from your home test kits?

[Stu from NYC]

So did you find out you were positive from your home test kits?

Yes. Took a few minutes to figure out how to do it but after that a piece of cake.

[Andyb]

Well, they are probably not reporting it because most cases are with the vaccinated, as the new variant is not affected by the vaccine and they still want everyone to get the shot. However, they are rolling out a new booster to supposedly work against the Omicron variant. Don’t shoot the messenger, just reporting the facts. Get well.

[golfing eagles]

Well, they are probably not reporting it because most cases are with the vaccinated, as the new variant is not affected by the vaccine and they still want everyone to get the shot. However, they are rolling out a new booster to supposedly work against the Omicron variant. Don’t shoot the messenger, just reporting the facts. Get well.

Facts??????? Just whose "facts" are those???? Who is "they"?????? Sorry, but those statements belong on the editorial page.

[me4vt]

See, they have most of You living in fear! I mean seriously, you moved to Florida which is considered the Stairway to Heaven! They control you now with the home false positive sticks!

[merrymini]

Seems that most information about the shots and covid are malarky. I was supposedly exposed to covid and took the home test and it came up positive. Went to Urgent Care because of a sinus problem, they did a prc and I was negative. The home tests are unreliable and the continued hype about covid is BS.

[donassaid]

Better hop right off and get another booster shot, right? Isn't it odd that the vast majority if those now getting Covud or the Variant have all been vaccinated and boosted? Isn't it odd that before the vaccine and boosters, we never had Sudden Adult Death Syndrome but now we see people every single day under the age of 50 dying aith "no cause of death" listed and recently a 25 year old who supposedly died "from natural causes"? Who ever heard of a 25 yr. old dying from natural causes? Just saying.

[Altavia]

People afraid to get vaccinated should be thankful to those that took the risk and are largely responsible for bringing deaths from the pandemic relatively under control.

[Willis56]

We received our home tests made by IHealth a week ago. As a retired RN I checked the expiration dates on the box. They all expire 8/6/22 or 8/11/22. My inquiries about this as it’s only 6 weeks away,ended with the FDA who informed me that the shelf life is extended until November. There was no information about this with the arrival of the test kits. She also said there are a total of 6 different kits with an extended shelf life. So, check your test kits.Interesting!

[Stu from NYC]

We got the vaccine and booster and when we finally got covid it was a mid case. The people getting it now are typically not dying or being hospitalized so to me the vaccine has done its job.

[Pessemist]

As the Mayo Clinic Covid map for Florida indicates The Villages area is in or very near the hot spot of Orlando.
I became ill with tons of post nasal drip recently, difficult nights, saw an M. D., penicillin RX for Sinunitis. I wasn't acutely aware of the new B Varient that hit England.
First Warning: My future golf scramble was just cancelled due to so many Villagers cancelling out due to Covid symptoms.
Not reading current local news about this issue.
I decided to home test, Bingo, both my husband and myself tested Positive for Covid.
Now I'm finding the so called "Free" Covid testing program is not free at the drug stores, they want your insurance card, if not the cost is $129. Everyone has indicated just pop over and get tested, not so when you actually research it.
Hope this message helps someone.

The lower variants are making the rounds. Fortunately they are not as lethal as the first wave. The Village hospital is seeing a resurgence of the milder variants. One trick that may help is Zinc lozenges at the first sign of sore throat. That seems effective in early stages to knock down the virus load in the throat Works for flu as well but must be used first sign of irritated throat. Antibiotics are not effective against viruses and may lower overall resistance as it wrecks havoc in the gut flora.

[Sabella]

Common sense tells me not to believe anything the cdc says?

[Sabella]

Isn’t it amazing some people still believe what the government and government agencies say?

[rrtjp]

See, they have most of You living in fear! I mean seriously, you moved to Florida which is considered the Stairway to Heaven! They control you now with the home false positive sticks!
I am a recently retired respiratory therapist. While working in a hospital here in Florida I saw many false positive and false negative tests with patients. These test were performed by trained healthcare professionals in a hospital setting. So I would not put too much faith in these free home test kits. If I thought I was exposed to someone that had COVID or thought I had COVID I’d make an appointment with primary care physician to get tested.

[La lamy]

I'm sick right now. It started with headache, earache, sore throat. Next day I also got weird itchy painful rash under chin. Today congested sinuses/blowing nose. Took at home Covid test and it came out negative. Maybe just a normal cold, but that rash has supposedly been seen with Covid. Whatever it is, I'm staying home until symptom free.

[TeresaE]

There’s no such thing as a free test. These tests are paid for with our hard earned tax dollars and our staggering National debt.

[La lamy]

Please start a thread about the new "variant booster shot" if you find out it's available. That's the one I'm waiting for.

[SusanStCatherine]

Last year my 78 year old father in law had a mandatory covid test before a dental procedure. It was positive. He had not one single symptom at all. They monitored his home isolation and gave him monoclonal antibioties. SMH. Crazy times.

[Jacob85]

What study or source is this from? Are you all epidemiologist? Unless an opinion comes from someone who is experienced or educated in a subject, it is not reliable. There are some people who will believe what they read!

[Marine1974]

See, they have most of You living in fear! I mean seriously, you moved to Florida which is considered the Stairway to Heaven! They control you now with the home false positive sticks!

I personally have had 4 home
Covid test kits all negative .
4 PCR tests all negative.
Am I the only one ?

[Caymus]

I'm sick right now. It started with headache, earache, sore throat. Next day I also got weird itchy painful rash under chin. Today congested sinuses/blowing nose. Took at home Covid test and it came out negative. Maybe just a normal cold, but that rash has supposedly been seen with Covid. Whatever it is, I'm staying home until symptom free.

Could be the new Covid/Monkeypox/Shingles/Ebola variant:smiley:

[Mushkie]

As the Mayo Clinic Covid map for Florida indicates The Villages area is in or very near the hot spot of Orlando.
I became ill with tons of post nasal drip recently, difficult nights, saw an M. D., penicillin RX for Sinunitis. I wasn't acutely aware of the new B Varient that hit England.
First Warning: My future golf scramble was just cancelled due to so many Villagers cancelling out due to Covid symptoms.
Not reading current local news about this issue.
I decided to home test, Bingo, both my husband and myself tested Positive for Covid.
Now I'm finding the so called "Free" Covid testing program is not free at the drug stores, they want your insurance card, if not the cost is $129. Everyone has indicated just pop over and get tested, not so when you actually research it.
Hope this message helps someone.

Thank God there isn’t any longer the incessant fear mongering propaganda about a flu. I think most people are have awakened, no longer duped, no longer buying their lies. It’s just the flu- weaponized, monetized and intentionally treated ineffectively but just the flu. The COVID “test” is just a trap and is NOT sensitive just for the SARS virus- it was intentionally made overly sensitive to even the tiniest amount of SARS virus and lots of things other than COVID can make the test pop positive- the bigger the number the easier to scare us into giving up our liberties. Plus, the test swabs are sterilized with carcinogenic agents- so obsessive testing not only doesn’t tell you anything, it’s dangerous.

For effective and inexpensive preventative and therapeutic treatment protocols- check out Frontline COVID Critical Care Alliance website- flccc.net This is a group of clinicians world wide that are not bought of by Big Pharma. They meet every Wednesday night via zoom, to discuss what is and isn’t working in their communities and then make the appropriate changes to their protocols. This is how medicine used to be- providers doing what’s best for their patient and sharing this information with other providers. NOW, providers abandon their patients, virtue signaling “out of an abundance of caution” refusing to see or treat patients, waiting for Big Pharma to tell them how to treat patients. FDA, CDC, NIH,NIAID get 75%+++++ of their funding from BIG PHARMA. Virtually no research trials are done that aren’t biased, I mean funded exclusively by Big Pharma.

Since when did we become a society of obsessively worrying and testing over every cold and flu and allergy symptom??? I remember the days of parents throwing “chick pox parties” for preschool kids so they got immunity and wouldn’t be sick during school.

The whole “testing” craze is just a trap to condition us into believing we have to jump thru hoops to get our freedoms back.

My 83 yo mom and I (61 yo) live in The Villages and have not once modified our life for the PLANNEDemic. We never wore masks, didn’t socially distance, never locked down. We don’t wash our hands any more than we did before this latest distraction crisis. We have lived and loved life normally and encourage. We take our Vit D3 and some supplements recommended on the FLCCC protocol- all over the counter and inexpensive. We finally got the flu (never tested cuz it’s bull poop, thought it was a cold but when I lost sense of taste and smell, realized it was this flu) about 6 months ago and thankfully I found a REAL DOCTOR from the FLCCC website, in Ocala that prescribed HCQ- and changed from the preventative protocol to early symptom onset home treatment protocol and felt better within 25 hours.

FOLLOW the money - who has benefited and continues to benefit from continuing the hysteria for a flu that has a 99.8% survival rate, for a flu that once you remove the exaggerated and mislabeled deaths to COVID, this flu actually kills less that the usual seasonal flu.
Who benefits from a jab that doesn’t prevent the disease they are pushing it for while causing significant adverse reactions and death with any benefit?

[Wyseguy]

Facts??????? Just whose "facts" are those???? Who is "they"?????? Sorry, but those statements belong on the editorial page.

If 60% of the population is vaccinated, and the vaccine does not work at all on the current strain, it would be logical for the majority of positive cases to among the vaccinated.

There is a comment often made by vaccinated people who get covid, " Thank God I am vaccinated or the symptoms would be so much worse!" Is there a study to back this up.
From my personal experience (very small sample) those at my office (602 people in the office complex) who are not vaccinated seem to experience similar symptoms to the vaccinated. I would be interested in reading more about it. Anyone into very dry, boring reading may be interested in reading the released documents from Pfizer.

[Wyseguy]

We got the vaccine and booster and when we finally got covid it was a mid case. The people getting it now are typically not dying or being hospitalized so to me the vaccine has done its job.

Couldn't that be due to the current strain being not as strong as earlier variants?

[Wyseguy]

I'm sick right now. It started with headache, earache, sore throat. Next day I also got weird itchy painful rash under chin. Today congested sinuses/blowing nose. Took at home Covid test and it came out negative. Maybe just a normal cold, but that rash has supposedly been seen with Covid. Whatever it is, I'm staying home until symptom free.

Based on the advice of the company doctor, I ask employees to stay home for five days past showing symptoms then to wear a mask for five days once they return. Not sure the mask does anything other than calm the fears of others.
Hope you feel better soon.

[ThirdOfFive]

Seems that most information about the shots and covid are malarky. I was supposedly exposed to covid and took the home test and it came up positive. Went to Urgent Care because of a sinus problem, they did a prc and I was negative. The home tests are unreliable and the continued hype about covid is BS.
I tend to agree. But, as with all "newsworthy" items, if it bleeds, it leads. I doubt many people are going to read/hear/watch GOOD news about COVID.

Fear is a powerful motivator, and irrational fear is dangerous. My daughter, a nurse in the Twin Cities, cited several incidents where parents of kids were bringing the kids to Urgent Care or the ERs, asymptomatic, for repeated COVID tests, some apparently on an almost daily basis, plugging up the health care system with people who didn't need to be there while those who really needed care often had to wait. I'm pretty sure we have people (a lot of people) in TV who are testing themselves at home routinely and running to their doctor, urgent care, etc. just to find out that their home test was a false positive.

Wouldn't it be better to wait until you actually have SYMPTOMS before you test yourself?

[Stu from NYC]

I am a recently retired respiratory therapist. While working in a hospital here in Florida I saw many false positive and false negative tests with patients. These test were performed by trained healthcare professionals in a hospital setting. So I would not put too much faith in these free home test kits. If I thought I was exposed to someone that had COVID or thought I had COVID I’d make an appointment with primary care physician to get tested.

Do believe the majority of primary care physicians want no part of seeing a positive patient right now. If serious will send you off to a hospital.

[kendi]

As the Mayo Clinic Covid map for Florida indicates The Villages area is in or very near the hot spot of Orlando.
I became ill with tons of post nasal drip recently, difficult nights, saw an M. D., penicillin RX for Sinunitis. I wasn't acutely aware of the new B Varient that hit England.
First Warning: My future golf scramble was just cancelled due to so many Villagers cancelling out due to Covid symptoms.
Not reading current local news about this issue.
I decided to home test, Bingo, both my husband and myself tested Positive for Covid.
Now I'm finding the so called "Free" Covid testing program is not free at the drug stores, they want your insurance card, if not the cost is $129. Everyone has indicated just pop over and get tested, not so when you actually research it.
Hope this message helps someone.

Sounds like nothing more than a cold. If you really are positive for CoVID then it’s no big deal if all you have us a runny nose. Sinus infection is secondary to your runny nose. All the hype and fear about CoVID is ridiculous. Lots of things can kill us, CoVID is just one of many, and not a big player in the grand scheme of life.

[Stu from NYC]

I tend to agree. But, as with all "newsworthy" items, if it bleeds, it leads. I doubt many people are going to read/hear/watch GOOD news about COVID.

Fear is a powerful motivator, and irrational fear is dangerous. My daughter, a nurse in the Twin Cities, cited several incidents where parents of kids were bringing the kids to Urgent Care or the ERs, asymptomatic, for repeated COVID tests, some apparently on an almost daily basis, plugging up the health care system with people who didn't need to be there while those who really needed care often had to wait. I'm pretty sure we have people (a lot of people) in TV who are testing themselves at home routinely and running to their doctor, urgent care, etc. just to find out that their home test was a false positive.

Wouldn't it be better to wait until you actually have SYMPTOMS before you test yourself?

Unless you are about to leave on a trip do not see why anyone would test yourself unless you have symptoms.

[Wyseguy]

I am a recently retired respiratory therapist. While working in a hospital here in Florida I saw many false positive and false negative tests with patients. These test were performed by trained healthcare professionals in a hospital setting. So I would not put too much faith in these free home test kits. If I thought I was exposed to someone that had COVID or thought I had COVID I’d make an appointment with primary care physician to get tested.

I took someone who had tested positive on three home tests to the doctor. Fever of 102, throat felt like they were swallowing glass. Their attitude was MUCH different than last year. They did a flu test, Negative, and several strep tests (different variants). These both came back negative. Her (the doctors) advice was to go home, drink fluids, and it will most likely go away in three to five days. No need to spend $135.00 on an in office covid test which will take 3 days for the result to come back. She said we will treat it as covid. She then mentioned there was medicine routine, but she would not recommend it in this case. According to her, they have been using the vertical horizontal test; only give the meds if the patient is horizontal. She described this as close to being hospitalized. If the patient is vertical they advise against it. In this case the person did feel better in two days. Sore throat was gone on day four.
Everything the doctor said came true. I was shocked by how much things have changed. My doctor had me on a list of receiving the IV treatment if "exposed" to covid. I go Thursdays to Florida cancer specialists so asked if I should have my doctor call and add the Covid treatment. My doctor said that that procedure has changed now as well; I will only get the treatment if tested positive myself.

[Wyseguy]

Unless you are about to leave on a trip do not see why anyone would test yourself unless you have symptoms.

Some companies have Covid Rules that require employees working in proximity to someone who tested positive to take a test (at the office) every day for one week after exposure. There has been so much fear last year followed by contradicting statements this year that companies are fearful of doing something wrong. My company attorney has now advised me NOT to have a covid policy. If someone gets covid, and it is shown that we missed one step or should have caught the positive employee earlier we may be held liable.

[MartinSE]

Sounds like nothing more than a cold. If you really are positive for CoVID then it’s no big deal if all you have us a runny nose. Sinus infection is secondary to your runny nose. All the hype and fear about CoVID is ridiculous. Lots of things can kill us, CoVID is just one of many, and not a big player in the grand scheme of life.

This has all been said for the past 2 years or more. And still over a million Americans died, and our economy was one of the biggest victims.

In the last wave, over 90% of the cases clogging hospitals were unvaccinated.

We are just now learning about long-haul effects that are much more prevalent than previously thought, even for people with few or no symptoms.

So, you have the right, unfortunately, to put everyone else at risk if you don't want to get vaccinated. But it is NOT hooey, it is not malarky, and the other 7 billion people in the world disagree with this position.

[defrey12]

As the Mayo Clinic Covid map for Florida indicates The Villages area is in or very near the hot spot of Orlando.
I became ill with tons of post nasal drip recently, difficult nights, saw an M. D., penicillin RX for Sinunitis. I wasn't acutely aware of the new B Varient that hit England.
First Warning: My future golf scramble was just cancelled due to so many Villagers cancelling out due to Covid symptoms.
Not reading current local news about this issue.
I decided to home test, Bingo, both my husband and myself tested Positive for Covid.
Now I'm finding the so called "Free" Covid testing program is not free at the drug stores, they want your insurance card, if not the cost is $129. Everyone has indicated just pop over and get tested, not so when you actually research it.
Hope this message helps someone.

If y’all believe what the fools on the news and CDC tell ya…I’ve got a bridge in Brooklyn that’s for sale. This variant, that variant…it’s a cold at this point. If the masses actually knew how viruses work, they’d know that.

[Stu from NYC]

If y’all believe what the fools on the news and CDC tell ya…I’ve got a bridge in Brooklyn that’s for sale. This variant, that variant…it’s a cold at this point. If the masses actually knew how viruses work, they’d know that.

Tell this to the million Americans who died from the virus

[Bobro44]

See, they have most of You living in fear! I mean seriously, you moved to Florida which is considered the Stairway to Heaven! They control you now with the home false positive sticks!


"...moved to Florida which is considered the Stairway to Heaven!" -- No! Wait! WTF? I'm already here, lock, stock and rain barrel, and NOW this stairway to heaven stuff? Whatever happened to Florida's Friendliest Home Town?" I thought that came with a 10-year warranty...

[clossonjunk]

I personally have had 4 home
Covid test kits all negative .
4 PCR tests all negative.
Am I the only one ?

I have taken 4 home tests. Three times it was negative, which I expected because I have ridiculous allergies, but I was just being cautious. Once it was positive, which again I could tell before I took it that it would be positive because my symptoms were so different from my normal allergies. It was Omicron...cold & flu mix that came on fast but left fast. Thus, for me, 4 tests were spot on.

[MartinSE]

We have a couple free tests in our cabinet, and we only use them if we are going to visit someone, like kids or others. We are not very social people to begin with, so we don't need to often.

If we develop symptoms that might be COVID, we can go to the VA and be tested anytime we need/want to.

[Alto2548]

People afraid to get vaccinated should be thankful to those that took the risk and are largely responsible for bringing deaths from the pandemic relatively under control.

LOL... I wasn't "afraid" to get the jab. I did my own research and listened to multiple reknowned doctors (i.e., Robert Malone, Peter McCoullough, Ryan Cole, etc.) before & after social media outlets SILENCED them bc they were going against the propaganda of Saint Fauci and the MSM. What I heard about potential side effects from the shot (technically, it's NOT a vaccine) convinced me to wait & see what happens.

Now that most of the population (including children unfortunately) has been injected, reports of excess deaths and disabilities have PROVEN to me that I made the right decision.

For any of you left with an open mind on the subject, please check out the analysis done by Steve Kirsch on Substack and Dr. Naomi Wolfe on DailyClout.io. Dr. Wolf has a team of medical professionals and ananlysts scouring through the thousands of pages Pfizer was forced by a court to release regarding their emergency-use "vaccine (not)." What they have found so far will give you nightmares. Dr. Wolf also has a team of lawyers who are compiling all of the evidence with the goal of taking Pfizer, the FDA and the CDC to court.

And if you think you were safer taking the Moderna or J&J shots, think again. ALL of the mRNA shots are dangerous to your & your family members' health.

Bottomline: I'm tired of being lectured by people who rushed out and got jabbed without considering all of the facts so I'm NOT going to "thank you" for taking part in the largest human guinea pig medical experiment ever attempted. Why do you think so many career medical professionals and scientists have been censored? They are not crack pots, they are highly credenitialed and have been trying to warn everyone for over a year now. Unfortunately, their voices and those of us who refused the jab have been ignored and we're just beginning to see the devastating results.

[Ginmato]

See, they have most of You living in fear! I mean seriously, you moved to Florida which is considered the Stairway to Heaven! They control you now with the home false positive sticks!

I've tested several times with home test and it hasn't come up positive yet. So I guess "false positives" don't really happen.

[golfing eagles]

The lower variants are making the rounds. Fortunately they are not as lethal as the first wave. The Village hospital is seeing a resurgence of the milder variants. One trick that may help is Zinc lozenges at the first sign of sore throat. That seems effective in early stages to knock down the virus load in the throat Works for flu as well but must be used first sign of irritated throat. Antibiotics are not effective against viruses and may lower overall resistance as it wrecks havoc in the gut flora.

You are correct---antibiotics are ineffective against viruses. What's amazing is the belief that "zinc lozenges" do anything at all---that myth was dispelled over 20 years ago.

[MartinSE]

See, they have most of You living in fear! I mean seriously, you moved to Florida which is considered the Stairway to Heaven! They control you now with the home false positive sticks!

Do you wear seatbelts? Are you afraid of driving?
Do you wear UV blocking glass, are you afraid of cataracts?


The list is quite long. The constant spewing of FEAR is INSULTING to those that feel that taking reasonable (in ones own opinion) precautions a driven by fear.

Some of us feel it is reasonable, patriotic and moral to take precautions for the common good.

If you don't, that is your business, but I find it insulting when you say that. I don't call you names or belittle your opinion, but I don't appreciate you doing that to us.

[golfing eagles]

LOL... I wasn't "afraid" to get the jab. I did my own research and listened to multiple reknowned doctors (i.e., Robert Malone, Peter McCoullough, Ryan Cole, etc.) before & after social media outlets SILENCED them bc they were going against the propaganda of Saint Fauci and the MSM. What I heard about potential side effects from the shot (technically, it's NOT a vaccine) convinced me to wait & see what happens.

Now that most of the population (including children unfortunately) has been injected, reports of excess deaths and disabilities have PROVEN to me that I made the right decision.

For any of you left with an open mind on the subject, please check out the analysis done by Steve Kirsch on Substack and Dr. Naomi Wolfe on DailyClout.io. Dr. Wolf has a team of medical professionals and ananlysts scouring through the thousands of pages Pfizer was forced by a court to release regarding their emergency-use "vaccine (not)." What they have found so far will give you nightmares. Dr. Wolf also has a team of lawyers who are compiling all of the evidence with the goal of taking Pfizer, the FDA and the CDC to court.

And if you think you were safer taking the Moderna or J&J shots, think again. ALL of the mRNA shots are dangerous to your & your family members' health.

Bottomline: I'm tired of being lectured by people who rushed out and got jabbed without considering all of the facts so I'm NOT going to "thank you" for taking part in the largest human guinea pig medical experiment ever attempted. Why do you think so many career medical professionals and scientists have been censored? They are not crack pots, they are highly credenitialed and have been trying to warn everyone for over a year now. Unfortunately, their voices and those of us who refused the jab have been ignored and we're just beginning to see the devastating results.

Actually, they are highly credentialed crack pots and quacks.

As far as the first line goes:

[Altavia]

You are correct---antibiotics are ineffective against viruses. What's amazing is the belief that "zinc lozenges" do anything at all---that myth was dispelled over 20 years ago.

I "feel" like they have been effective for me if taken at the first sign of a scratchy throat.

But the data remains inconclusive.

https://www.ccjm.org/content/ccjom/66/1/27.full.pdf

[golfing eagles]

I "feel" like they have been effective for me if taken at the first sign of a scratchy throat.

But the data remains inconclusive.

https://www.ccjm.org/content/ccjom/66/1/27.full.pdf

Then go ahead and take them, they can't hurt you (except in gigantic quantities)

[maistocars]

People afraid to get vaccinated should be thankful to those that took the risk and are largely responsible for bringing deaths from the pandemic relatively under control.
I have some nice swamp land in the Arizona desert if you're going to believe the disinformation coming out of the government and news media. Natural immunity is the only way to go, otherwise, IMHO, almost a guarantee to get it.

[golfing eagles]

I have some nice swamp land in the Arizona desert if you're going to believe the disinformation coming out of the government and news media. Natural immunity is the only way to go, otherwise, IMHO, almost a guarantee to get it.

Really??? And the basis for that opinion is????? Multiple advanced degrees in medicine, virology and epidemiology? Your own experiments in a level 4 biohazard lab???? Or, and I'm betting on this one, Google:1rotfl::1rotfl::1rotfl:

[MartinSE]

I have some nice swamp land in the Arizona desert if you're going to believe the disinformation coming out of the government and news media. Natural immunity is the only way to go, otherwise, IMHO, almost a guarantee to get it.

I have some swamp land I would like to sell you if you believe all the misinformation coming out of the internet and people who have not worked in pandemics their entire lives. There is NO natural immunity until you have had the virus, and 1 million dead in the US can attest to that. And not taking the vaccination simply raises your risk of long haul and death, as well as spreading the virus. ALL facts. No myth, no scare mongering. But, give all your money to the supplement doctors and to the "cures".

I just find it strange that people use seatbelts, and seat belts are mandated. And yet, seat belts don't protect me from you, they just protect you from you. Vaccination's protect me from you, it's called common good. It works - polio, smallpox, measles, etc, etc, etc.

Only 30,000 people die a year from car crashes, but seatbelts are the law. A million people have died in two years from the COVID, and so many people are sacred to death of taking a proven vaccination, tested on over 2 Billion people.

[Altavia]

I have some nice swamp land in the Arizona desert if you're going to believe the disinformation coming out of the government and news media. Natural immunity is the only way to go, otherwise, IMHO, almost a guarantee to get it.

The religion so popular now days to be obtuse and contrarian cost many their lives.

Talk to someone with long COVID.

Approximately 70% of the US population is vaccinated and approximately 70% of the same population tests positive for previous infection.

This combination is producing the results we have today minimizing severe illness and deaths due to a highly infectious upper respiratory infection.

[MartinSE]

The religion so popular now days to be obtuse and contrarian cost many their lives.

Talk to someone with long COVID.

Approximately 70% of the US population is vaccinated and approximately 70% of the same population tests positive for previous infection.

This combination is producing the results we have today minimizing severe illness and deaths due to a highly infectious upper respiratory infection.

But, there is always the concern of the tracking nano-bots the government put into the vaccines - ahem... (sarcasm for those that miss it.)

[tophcfa]

"...moved to Florida which is considered the Stairway to Heaven!" -- No! Wait! WTF? I'm already here, lock, stock and rain barrel, and NOW this stairway to heaven stuff? Whatever happened to Florida's Friendliest Home Town?" I thought that came with a 10-year warranty...

Not the stairway to heaven, it’s God’s on deck circle.

[Geodyssey]

People afraid to get vaccinated should be thankful to those that took the risk and are largely responsible for bringing deaths from the pandemic relatively under control.

Should vaccinations be mandatory?

[Marty4163]

Exactly the way It was intended to work!

[MartinSE]

Should vaccinations be mandatory?

If it were up to me, YES. But, it is not up to me.

[Fast Freddy]

So did you find out you were positive from your home test kits?

Yes

[Two Bills]

Here in UK and in Europe the latest virus mutation is going the rounds.
Many of our friends have had it, and at worst it was as bad as flu, but in most cases no worse than a cold.
Nothing as bad as a 'Man Cold' though!
Majority of us are vaccinated, and the UK Alert Status is set at 'F*** it! :angel:

[Dotneko]

I have taken 4 home tests. Three times it was negative, which I expected because I have ridiculous allergies, but I was just being cautious. Once it was positive, which again I could tell before I took it that it would be positive because my symptoms were so different from my normal allergies. It was Omicron...cold & flu mix that came on fast but left fast. Thus, for me, 4 tests were spot on.

How did you know it was Omicron? My doctor said they don't test for the variant and certainly the home test kits don't 'know' which variant they test positive for.

[Taurus510]

If it were up to me, YES. But, it is not up to me.

Thank God for that.

[ThirdOfFive]

Thank God there isn’t any longer the incessant fear mongering propaganda about a flu. I think most people are have awakened, no longer duped, no longer buying their lies. It’s just the flu- weaponized, monetized and intentionally treated ineffectively but just the flu. The COVID “test” is just a trap and is NOT sensitive just for the SARS virus- it was intentionally made overly sensitive to even the tiniest amount of SARS virus and lots of things other than COVID can make the test pop positive- the bigger the number the easier to scare us into giving up our liberties. Plus, the test swabs are sterilized with carcinogenic agents- so obsessive testing not only doesn’t tell you anything, it’s dangerous.

For effective and inexpensive preventative and therapeutic treatment protocols- check out Frontline COVID Critical Care Alliance website- flccc.net This is a group of clinicians world wide that are not bought of by Big Pharma. They meet every Wednesday night via zoom, to discuss what is and isn’t working in their communities and then make the appropriate changes to their protocols. This is how medicine used to be- providers doing what’s best for their patient and sharing this information with other providers. NOW, providers abandon their patients, virtue signaling “out of an abundance of caution” refusing to see or treat patients, waiting for Big Pharma to tell them how to treat patients. FDA, CDC, NIH,NIAID get 75%+++++ of their funding from BIG PHARMA. Virtually no research trials are done that aren’t biased, I mean funded exclusively by Big Pharma.

Since when did we become a society of obsessively worrying and testing over every cold and flu and allergy symptom??? I remember the days of parents throwing “chick pox parties” for preschool kids so they got immunity and wouldn’t be sick during school.

The whole “testing” craze is just a trap to condition us into believing we have to jump thru hoops to get our freedoms back.

My 83 yo mom and I (61 yo) live in The Villages and have not once modified our life for the PLANNEDemic. We never wore masks, didn’t socially distance, never locked down. We don’t wash our hands any more than we did before this latest distraction crisis. We have lived and loved life normally and encourage. We take our Vit D3 and some supplements recommended on the FLCCC protocol- all over the counter and inexpensive. We finally got the flu (never tested cuz it’s bull poop, thought it was a cold but when I lost sense of taste and smell, realized it was this flu) about 6 months ago and thankfully I found a REAL DOCTOR from the FLCCC website, in Ocala that prescribed HCQ- and changed from the preventative protocol to early symptom onset home treatment protocol and felt better within 25 hours.

FOLLOW the money - who has benefited and continues to benefit from continuing the hysteria for a flu that has a 99.8% survival rate, for a flu that once you remove the exaggerated and mislabeled deaths to COVID, this flu actually kills less that the usual seasonal flu.
Who benefits from a jab that doesn’t prevent the disease they are pushing it for while causing significant adverse reactions and death with any benefit?
PREE-cisely. Follow the money. But also follow the fear. Fearful people are far easier to control than those who live by common sense.

I thought early on (and still do) that the FEAR of COVID did far more harm than COVID itself. My wife and I both wore masks ONLY when we couldn't avoid it (Dentist and Dr. waiting rooms and such)...maybe 40 times total between the time of the initial outbreak and six months later when we moved here), then hardly at all here as the mask mandate in Florida ended about a week before we came here. Coming from Minnesota it was almost a culture shock to come from a state where government officials were ALWAYS masked and usually hidden behind thick glass, to a state where the officials (Sumter Co. Government) almost never wore masks. We respected others' wishes for social distancing, used hand sanitizer, and didn't shake hands unless offered, but that was all. We both caught COVID (original version). I knew it when I caught it--not fun but my main gripe was that it interfered with golf. My wife thought hers was just a cold. Our doctors verified the antibodies in both our systems at subsequent physicals. I later had the vaccination--not because I thought I needed it but because my family lives in Minnesota and there is no way of knowing precisely what bizarre regulation is going to emanate from St. Paul. Incidentally, we both live VERY active outdoor lives: tennis, golf, archery, walking, etc., eat right, watch our weight, and live healthy lives. I'm 74, she's 70, and for the most part our grandkids can't keep up with us.

Contrast that to the people who nearly live curled up in some closet due to fear of the dread bug, who if they DO get it and considering the fear saturation on the part of media, immediately panic. They have (in their minds anyway) a DEADLY disease and fully expect to either A) die or B) suffer greatly. And so they do.

Then consider what that fear has done to America's economy. I don't need to elaborate on that. The evidence is all around us. Thankfully in forward-thinking states like Florida the negative impact hasn't been as bad as some Northern and Northeastern states, but it has been felt--and still is.

When we let others think for us, bad things happen. When we think for ourselves, live healthy, and act positively, bad things happen far less frequently.

Beware of those who want to do your thinking for you.

[MartinSE]

PREE-cisely. Follow the money. But also follow the fear. Fearful people are far easier to control than those who live by common sense.

I thought early on (and still do) that the FEAR of COVID did far more harm than COVID itself. My wife and I both wore masks ONLY when we couldn't avoid it (Dentist and Dr. waiting rooms and such)...maybe 40 times total between the time of the initial outbreak and six months later when we moved here), then hardly at all here as the mask mandate in Florida ended about a week before we came here. Coming from Minnesota it was almost a culture shock to come from a state where government officials were ALWAYS masked and usually hidden behind thick glass, to a state where the officials (Sumter Co. Government) almost never wore masks. We respected others' wishes for social distancing, used hand sanitizer, and didn't shake hands unless offered, but that was all. We both caught COVID (original version). I knew it when I caught it--not fun but my main gripe was that it interfered with golf. My wife thought hers was just a cold. Our doctors verified the antibodies in both our systems at subsequent physicals. I later had the vaccination--not because I thought I needed it but because my family lives in Minnesota and there is no way of knowing precisely what bizarre regulation is going to emanate from St. Paul. Incidentally, we both live VERY active outdoor lives: tennis, golf, archery, walking, etc., eat right, watch our weight, and live healthy lives. I'm 74, she's 70, and for the most part our grandkids can't keep up with us.

Contrast that to the people who nearly live curled up in some closet due to fear of the dread bug, who if they DO get it and considering the fear saturation on the part of media, immediately panic. They have (in their minds anyway) a DEADLY disease and fully expect to either A) die or B) suffer greatly. And so they do.

Then consider what that fear has done to America's economy. I don't need to elaborate on that. The evidence is all around us. Thankfully in forward-thinking states like Florida the negative impact hasn't been as bad as some Northern and Northeastern states, but it has been felt--and still is.

When we let others think for us, bad things happen. When we think for ourselves, live healthy, and act positively, bad things happen far less frequently.

Beware of those who want to do your thinking for you.

6 million dead, nothing to worry about at all... the misinformation here is stunning.

[Andyb]

Yep, COV!D would be over if we did not have the “vaxcine”, which created all the variants. Follow the real science.
Long term effects yet to be determined.

[Altavia]

Should vaccinations be mandatory?

No, let Darwin do it's work.

[haysus7]

Vaccine does not prevent Covid but prevents death from Covid

[roob1]

Hope you feel better soon, M! The pickleball courts are beckoning...


I'm sick right now. It started with headache, earache, sore throat. Next day I also got weird itchy painful rash under chin. Today congested sinuses/blowing nose. Took at home Covid test and it came out negative. Maybe just a normal cold, but that rash has supposedly been seen with Covid. Whatever it is, I'm staying home until symptom free.

[Taurus510]

Vaccine does not prevent Covid but prevents death from Covid
I know of two instances that proves you wrong on that.

[Wyseguy]

But, there is always the concern of the tracking nano-bots the government put into the vaccines - ahem... (sarcasm for those that miss it.)

So disappointed. You made an excellent point earlier, then post this.
You find it insulting to be grouped with all who received the jab as people acting out of fear, yet you group those who did not get it as fearing tracking nanobots.
Perhaps our dysfunctional congress is a representation of the people.

[golfing eagles]

I know of two instances that proves you wrong on that.

Sorry for your loss of 2 people you know or are related to, but 2 instances out of 2 billion vaccines administered "proves" less than nothing.

[Wyseguy]

6 million dead, nothing to worry about at all... the misinformation here is stunning.

Unfortunately there has been misinformation on all sides. The decision to get a vaccine or not should be a decision made between the person and their doctor/doctors.

[La lamy]

Could be the new Covid/Monkeypox/Shingles/Ebola variant:smiley:

Must ay I thought about 3 of those possibilities!!!

[La lamy]

Based on the advice of the company doctor, I ask employees to stay home for five days past showing symptoms then to wear a mask for five days once they return. Not sure the mask does anything other than calm the fears of others.
Hope you feel better soon.

Thanks for that.

[MartinSE]

So disappointed. You made an excellent point earlier, then post this.
You find it insulting to be grouped with all who received the jab as people acting out of fear, yet you group those who did not get it as fearing tracking nanobots.
Perhaps our dysfunctional congress is a representation of the people.

Not at all, I am not grouping all people that don't get the vaccine until that saccadic remark. I completely understand there are many reasons for avoiding it.

But, The exact remark, tracking nanobot, has been posted here on numerous occasions.

[Altavia]

I know of two instances that proves you wrong on that.

Even with the varients, the unvaccinated are five times more likely to die from COVID infection. And then ten times likely than those fully boosted.

[Taurus510]

Even with the varients, the unvaccinated are five times more likely to die from COVID infection. And then ten times likely than those fully boosted.
I’m sure you have a study proving that? (I can’t find one).

[Taurus510]

Sorry for your loss of 2 people you know or are related to, but 2 instances out of 2 billion vaccines administered "proves" less than nothing.
So then from what you’re saying, you have some “proof” that the vaccines have saved any lives?

[ThirdOfFive]

6 million dead, nothing to worry about at all... the misinformation here is stunning.
Misinformation? Or personal experience and observation followed by a theory?

As Mark Twain so astutely observed, there are three kinds of untruths: "Lies, dammned lies and statistics". There is no point in unearthing all those horses beaten to death months and months ago: dying OF COVID vs. dying WITH COVID, methods of data collection that were questionable, efficacy of masks, etc. etc. But human nature is--well--human nature. We will believe the numbers that most closely jive with how WE perceive something, all too often neglecting accuracy of numbers in favor of personal validation. Some take the high estimates as gospel. Others, not so much.

The problem (and Twain's observation) comes into play when this-or-that agency has a vested interest in the believability, or not, of the numbers in question. Elected officials and experts are no more or less human than the rest of us, and there were a lot of butts on the line as this whole COVID thing played out. If you have the power to do so, the natural thing is to try to protect your own butt, and the more powerful you are, the bigger the butt you might decide to protect.

For my part, my antenna goes up whenever a situation devolves into "don't believe what you see, believe what we tell you". People tend to gravitate toward like-minded people. In the time since the pandemic first hit, my wife and I have known many people with COVID; every family member except one, many friends and acquaintances, and of course each other. There's no way of knowing the exact number but I'd say in the neighborhood of 75 to 100, if not more. Out of that number we've known precisely ONE person who has died from it (morbidly obese, hospitalized with a positive COVID diagnosis who died in hospital from a heart attack) and ONE other hospitalization (a woman in her 60s who was hospitalized at the time she caught it because of an infection in a replaced knee joint) and who recovered from both. For the most part, the people we know and associate with have life styles similar to ours, and almost to a person, COVID was merely an inconvenience, not a perceived death sentence.

Live right. Think positive. Don't give in to fear.

You'll be fine.

[Wyseguy]

Even with the varients, the unvaccinated are five times more likely to die from COVID infection. And then ten times likely than those fully boosted.

Hi. Would you please provide a link to that study. I am interested in reading it.

[Bill14564]

Even with the varients, the unvaccinated are five times more likely to die from COVID infection. And then ten times likely than those fully boosted.

Hi. Would you please provide a link to that study. I am interested in reading it.

Was that a study or real-world observations on a national and international scale?

[Bill14564]

...
For my part, my antenna goes up whenever a situation devolves into "don't believe what you see, believe what we tell you". People tend to gravitate toward like-minded people. In the time since the pandemic first hit, my wife and I have known many people with COVID; every family member except one, many friends and acquaintances, and of course each other. There's no way of knowing the exact number but I'd say in the neighborhood of 75 to 100, if not more. Out of that number we've known precisely ONE person who has died from it (morbidly obese, hospitalized with a positive COVID diagnosis who died in hospital from a heart attack) and ONE other hospitalization (a woman in her 60s who was hospitalized at the time she caught it because of an infection in a replaced knee joint) and who recovered from both. For the most part, the people we know and associate with have life styles similar to ours, and almost to a person, COVID was merely an inconvenience, not a perceived death sentence.

Live right. Think positive. Don't give in to fear.

You'll be fine.

The family members of the over 1,000,000 Americans that have died WISH they could make the same statement. The excess death numbers (actual count of dead bodies) back up that 1,000,000 number.

Don't give into fear, but also don't "bravely" follow a fool who overestimates his knowledge of epidemiology, virology, and statistics.

[golfing eagles]

So then from what you’re saying, you have some “proof” that the vaccines have saved any lives?

that question is fuzzy logic.

My statement was 2 deaths out of 2 billion proves less than nothing, not the converse

[Altavia]

/// duplicate post...

[Altavia]

Hi. Would you please provide a link to that study. I am interested in reading it.

The data is all over the place. Need to search for the evolution and come to your own conclusions.

Almost All U.S. COVID-19 Deaths Now in the Unvaccinated (https://www.webmd.com/vaccines/covid-19-vaccine/news/20210629/almost-all-us-covid-19-deaths-now-in-the-unvaccinated)

Growing share of Covid-19 deaths are among vaccinated people, but booster shots substantially lower the risk - CNN (https://www.cnn.com/2022/05/11/health/unvaccinated-covid-deaths-growing/index.html)

How likely is COVID-19 hospitalization for vaccinated Americans? (https://usafacts.org/articles/vaccinated-unvaccinated-omicron-hospitalizations-cases-deaths-covid/)

Who is dying of COVID amid omicron surge and widespread vaccine availability? - ABC News (https://abcnews.go.com/Health/dying-covid-unvaccinated/story?id=82834971)

https://www.washingtonpost.com/health/2022/04/29/covid-deaths-unvaccinated-boosters/

[Rose Ann Vinci Igoe]

As the Mayo Clinic Covid map for Florida indicates The Villages area is in or very near the hot spot of Orlando.
I became ill with tons of post nasal drip recently, difficult nights, saw an M. D., penicillin RX for Sinunitis. I wasn't acutely aware of the new B Varient that hit England.
First Warning: My future golf scramble was just cancelled due to so many Villagers cancelling out due to Covid symptoms.
Not reading current local news about this issue.
I decided to home test, Bingo, both my husband and myself tested Positive for Covid.
Now I'm finding the so called "Free" Covid testing program is not free at the drug stores, they want your insurance card, if not the cost is $129. Everyone has indicated just pop over and get tested, not so when you actually research it.
Hope this message helps someone.
medicare gives 3 free tests kits per family. you don't need to have medicare its about per street address. no personal info is required just your address and boom 2 weeks an I got 3 kits w 8 tests per kit. 15 minutes and results.

[MartinSE]

medicare gives 3 free tests kits per family. you don't need to have medicare its about per street address. no personal info is required just your address and boom 2 weeks an I got 3 kits w 8 tests per kit. 15 minutes and results.

Good information, thank you.

[Taurus510]

Was that a study or real-world observations on a national and international scale?
Good question. Either way, I’d love to see the data. Please provide.

[Taurus510]

The data is all over the place. Need to search for the evolution and come to your own conclusions.

Almost All U.S. COVID-19 Deaths Now in the Unvaccinated (https://www.webmd.com/vaccines/covid-19-vaccine/news/20210629/almost-all-us-covid-19-deaths-now-in-the-unvaccinated)

Growing share of Covid-19 deaths are among vaccinated people, but booster shots substantially lower the risk - CNN (https://www.cnn.com/2022/05/11/health/unvaccinated-covid-deaths-growing/index.html)

How likely is COVID-19 hospitalization for vaccinated Americans? (https://usafacts.org/articles/vaccinated-unvaccinated-omicron-hospitalizations-cases-deaths-covid/)

Who is dying of COVID amid omicron surge and widespread vaccine availability? - ABC News (https://abcnews.go.com/Health/dying-covid-unvaccinated/story?id=82834971)

https://www.washingtonpost.com/health/2022/04/29/covid-deaths-unvaccinated-boosters/
You provided specific figures as to who is dying and why. These are all just generalities with lots of assumptions and speculation. If one spouts specific numbers, then that must mean they have seen specific data.

[Taurus510]

that question is fuzzy logic.

My statement was 2 deaths out of 2 billion proves less than nothing, not the converse
So then what you’re saying is that you know of no data that states that any lives were saved by getting the jab.

[Bill14564]

Good question. Either way, I’d love to see the data. Please provide.

Try the CDC site, it has been there before. I have no desire to search for it again so go look for yourself.

[Taurus510]

Try the CDC site, it has been there before. I have no desire to search for it again so go look for yourself.
LOL. Funny. I see this so often associated with this virus and vaccines. When asked to provide backup for a statement, the common reply is a snarky, ‘you can find the data, you can look for it, I’m not doing your work for you’. Almost always, some form of that statement.

[Altavia]

You provided specific figures as to who is dying and why. These are all just generalities with lots of assumptions and speculation. If one spouts specific numbers, then that must mean they have seen specific data.

The data posted is in one of the links, did you look?

[Two Bills]

LOL. Funny. I see this so often associated with this virus and vaccines. When asked to provide backup for a statement, the common reply is a snarky, ‘you can find the data, you can look for it, I’m not doing your work for you’. Almost always, some form of that statement.

This site has some numbers.
No idea how the site is viewed by the science world or by pro or anti vaccine camps.

How to Compare COVID Deaths for Vaccinated and Unvaccinated People - Scientific American (https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/how-to-compare-covid-deaths-for-vaccinated-and-unvaccinated-people/#)

[Taurus510]

The data posted is in one of the links, did you look?
Yeah, trouble is, the CDC, WHO, and the medical “authorities” have lost all trust from many. They’ve manipulated data, lied, ostracized peers who tried to question the data or offer alternatives to the point that trust is totally lost for many of us. If you are one that still believes them, then good for you. I liked it a lot better when I trusted them. Now, as far as trustworthiness, I lump the entire medical establishment in with the government and media. Understand that I got the jab, I’ve regretted it for very good reasons, but I got it. I won’t be getting any boosters.

[golfing eagles]

Yeah, trouble is, the CDC, WHO, and the medical “authorities” have lost all trust from many. They’ve manipulated data, lied, ostracized peers who tried to question the data or offer alternatives to the point that trust is totally lost for many of us. If you are one that still believes them, then good for you. I liked it a lot better when I trusted them. Now, as far as trustworthiness, I lump the entire medical establishment in with the government and media. Understand that I got the jab, I’ve regretted it for very good reasons, but I got it.

Seriously???? And you know that HOW?????? And I resent being "lumped in" with anybody. Funny thing-----I don't know as much about virology and epidemiology as the combined physicians and researchers at the CDC, yet I know about a thousand times more than you. So how do you base your statement?

PS: I wouldn't mention the "lumped in" reference to the medical establishment when you visit your doctor

[Stu from NYC]

Seriously???? And you know that HOW?????? And I resent being "lumped in" with anybody. Funny thing-----I don't know as much about virology and epidemiology as the combined physicians and researchers at the CDC, yet I know about a thousand times more than you. So how do you base your statement?

PS: I wouldn't mention the "lumped in" reference to the medical establishment when you visit your doctor

Amazing how some people think they know so much more than graduates of medical school with many years of practice.

Thanks for your posts.

[Taurus510]

Seriously???? And you know that HOW?????? And I resent being "lumped in" with anybody. Funny thing-----I don't know as much about virology and epidemiology as the combined physicians and researchers at the CDC, yet I know about a thousand times more than you. So how do you base your statement?

PS: I wouldn't mention the "lumped in" reference to the medical establishment when you visit your doctor

Hmm, I know what about HOW? And how did I lump you in with anything/anybody? Did I say I knew anything about virology and epidemiology? Or did I say that I don’t trust those agencies. Wow.

Oh and by the way, my doctor knows EXACTLY how I feel. He stated that he completely understood why I feel the way I do. And when I said medical establishment, I wasn’t talking about my PCP. There’s that magical word “establishment”, which I’m referring to the alphabet organizations, and of course include Lord Fauci.

[Taurus510]

Amazing how some people think they know so much more than graduates of medical school with many years of practice.

Thanks for your posts.
Again, read what was posted. Where did I state that I knew more than anyone? I said I don’t TRUST them. There’s a difference, believe it or not.

[Velvet]

I'm sick right now. It started with headache, earache, sore throat. Next day I also got weird itchy painful rash under chin. Today congested sinuses/blowing nose. Took at home Covid test and it came out negative. Maybe just a normal cold, but that rash has supposedly been seen with Covid. Whatever it is, I'm staying home until symptom free.

Best wishes and take care. According to various sources, the new vaccine against B5 variant etc is “supposed” to be available in the fall. Recommended for those 50 and above.

Personally I continue to believe in the N95 mask. I understand it bothers some people but I’m quite happy with it - and my rights… I have the right to wear a mask :).

[golfing eagles]

Hmm, I know what about HOW? And how did I lump you in with anything/anybody? Did I say I knew anything about virology and epidemiology? Or did I say that I don’t trust those agencies. Wow.

Oh and by the way, my doctor knows EXACTLY how I feel. He stated that he completely understood why I feel the way I do. And when I said medical establishment, I wasn’t talking about my PCP. There’s that magical word “establishment”, which I’m referring to the alphabet organizations, and of course include Lord Fauci.

Again, read what was posted. Where did I state that I knew more than anyone? I said I don’t TRUST them. There’s a difference, believe it or not.

There must be a basis for the lack of trust in these organizations. Just what is it? It's hard to form an opinion of statements from the CDC without a sound basis in the medical science that they are well versed in. But I'm glad to know I'm not lumped in with the "medical establishment". And as far as "Lord Fauci" goes, do you know him? Have you had several dinners with him and hours long discussion? Because I would not characterize him as a "Lord". But I will concede that was 25 years ago and people change.

[Altavia]

. Understand that I got the jab, I’ve regretted it for very good reasons, but I got it. I won’t be getting any boosters.

So what data are you baseing your regrets and choice to avoid boosters?

[Taurus510]

So what data are you baseing your regrets and choice to avoid boosters?

That would be personal health issues that have been attributed to the vaccine. Yes, I’m one of “those rare individuals” that have suffered long term, (one year), very “rare” problems producing fairly intense pain early on. Still pain, not nearly as intense as the first few months. So that is the “data” that I am basing my regrets on. And yes, the medically diagnosed condition is not based on my internet research. My “data” has come from medical professionals and specialists and from my personal challenges.

[Altavia]

That would be personal health issues that have been attributed to the vaccine. Yes, I’m one of “those rare individuals” that have suffered long term, (one year), very “rare” problems producing fairly intense pain early on. Still pain, not nearly as intense as the first few months. So that is the “data” that I am basing my regrets on. And yes, the medically diagnosed condition is not based on my internet research. My “data” has come from medical professionals and specialists and from my personal challenges.

Very sorry you suffered from some rare sensitivity to the vaccine.

Is it an autoimmune problem?

Long COVID as I am sure you are aware is reported in as much as 20% of cases and can have some severe long term effects.

There are risks from all sides.I have not seen data for the vaccine side.

However with threebillion people vaccinated worldwide, the lack of data tells something.

The benefits far outweigh the risks - the perfect is the enemy of the good.

[Taurus510]

Very sorry you suffered from some rare sensitivity to the vaccine.

Is it an autoimmune problem?

Long COVID as I am sure you are aware is reported in as much as 20% of cases and can have some severe long term effects.

There are risks from all sides.I have not seen data for the vaccine side.

However with threebillion people vaccinated worldwide, the lack of data tells something.

The benefits far outweigh the risks - the perfect is the enemy of the good.
No autoimmune problems or health problems. BEFORE.

“ The benefits far outweigh the risks - the perfect is the enemy of the good.”

I’m sorry, you’ll have to sell that platitude somewhere else.

[coffeebean]

LOL... I wasn't "afraid" to get the jab. I did my own research and listened to multiple reknowned doctors (i.e., Robert Malone, Peter McCoullough, Ryan Cole, etc.) before & after social media outlets SILENCED them bc they were going against the propaganda of Saint Fauci and the MSM. What I heard about potential side effects from the shot (technically, it's NOT a vaccine) convinced me to wait & see what happens.

Now that most of the population (including children unfortunately) has been injected, reports of excess deaths and disabilities have PROVEN to me that I made the right decision.

For any of you left with an open mind on the subject, please check out the analysis done by Steve Kirsch on Substack and Dr. Naomi Wolfe on DailyClout.io. Dr. Wolf has a team of medical professionals and ananlysts scouring through the thousands of pages Pfizer was forced by a court to release regarding their emergency-use "vaccine (not)." What they have found so far will give you nightmares. Dr. Wolf also has a team of lawyers who are compiling all of the evidence with the goal of taking Pfizer, the FDA and the CDC to court.

And if you think you were safer taking the Moderna or J&J shots, think again. ALL of the mRNA shots are dangerous to your & your family members' health.

Bottomline: I'm tired of being lectured by people who rushed out and got jabbed without considering all of the facts so I'm NOT going to "thank you" for taking part in the largest human guinea pig medical experiment ever attempted. Why do you think so many career medical professionals and scientists have been censored? They are not crack pots, they are highly credenitialed and have been trying to warn everyone for over a year now. Unfortunately, their voices and those of us who refused the jab have been ignored and we're just beginning to see the devastating results.
Hogwash!

[coffeebean]

Yep, COV!D would be over if we did not have the “vaxcine”, which created all the variants. Follow the real science.
Long term effects yet to be determined.

Thank goodness for the variants. This Covid virus is less virulent now. Isn't that the natural evolution of viruses?

[coffeebean]

I know of two instances that proves you wrong on that.

Were those "two instances" immunocompromised?

[MartinSE]

Thank goodness for the variants. This Covid virus is less virulent now. Isn't that the natural evolution of viruses?

The evolution of viruses where there is a vaccine favors mutations that result in the virus becoming more contagious. If the virus kills too quickly, it will kill the host before it spreads enough to ramp up.

So, the evolutionary step most likely to survive is one that is more contagious and less deadly, allowing it to spread further and faster.

The danger is that since it is spreading rapidly, with a lot of hosts to mutate in, there is an opportunity to mutate into one that I’ve very contagious and that can completely. Bypass the vaccine. If that happens we are back to day one.

So far it hasn’t happened, but with so many unvaccinated hosts, it is still a strong possibility.

[MartinSE]

Hogwash!

Thank you, I have been metaphorically biting my tongue, I was so tempted to say that.

[Taurus510]

Were those "two instances" immunocompromised?
No.

[coffeebean]

Amazing how some people think they know so much more than graduates of medical school with many years of practice.

Thanks for your posts.

I second that. Thanks GE.

[coffeebean]

The evolution of viruses where there is a vaccine favors mutations that result in the virus becoming more contagious. If the virus kills too quickly, it will kill the host before it spreads enough to ramp up.

So, the evolutionary step most likely to survive is one that is more contagious and less deadly, allowing it to spread further and faster.

The danger is that since it is spreading rapidly, with a lot of hosts to mutate in, there is an opportunity to mutate into one that I’ve very contagious and that can completely. Bypass the vaccine. If that happens we are back to day one.

So far it hasn’t happened, but with so many unvaccinated hosts, it is still a strong possibility.

We wouldn't be back to "day one" with a virus that is less virulent than the original strain. More contagious, yes, but not as deadly.

[coffeebean]

No.
So sorry.

[MartinSE]

We wouldn't be back to "day one" with a virus that is less virulent than the original strain. More contagious, yes, but not as deadly.

This gets complicated. And as with all misinformation that contains a touch of truth, it can be misinterpreted.

If the vaccine is preventing the mutated virus from being as deadly, then it can in fact mutate getting more contagious and MORE DEADLY, but hosts will survive longer since they are vaccinated. Then when it mutates again it could bypass the vaccine completely, and it will be both more contagious and more deadly.

That has NOT happened yet. In the random events known as mutation it could happen, the more hosts it infects, the more types of mutations that can occur. One of those could be the bad news bear.

That is WHY it is so important that enough people are vaccinated to prevent that possibility. That is why smallpox if mostly gone. That is why, until recently polio was gone. Vaccines were pretty much mandated everywhere and so, the virus was prevented from spreading rapidly and mutating rapidly until it self extinguished - mostly.

The recent surge of "anti-vaxxers" has brought Measles back from the dead, and have now reintroduced Polio. More to come as we progress further and further into the Dark Ages V2.

[JMintzer]

Tell this to the million Americans who died from the virus

From or "with" Covid?

[dhdallas]

Not only are the tests inaccurate but pointless. If you feel sick, then stay home and have some chicken soup.

[Byte1]

Tell this to the million Americans who died from the virus

You mean WITH or tested positive. How many MILLIONS really had the virus and did NOT die from it?
Not related directly, but whenever I go to a doctor's appointment now, the receptionist asks me if I had my covid vaccination. They never ask for proof and never ask if I have had any boosters. Makes one wonder if they are taking covid seriously or just going through the motions.

[Byte1]

After getting up every morning (at the beginning) to get on a list for the vaccination, and finally driving over an hour to get the shots for my wife and myself, we finally felt that we had done our due diligence by getting vaccinated. Then the boosters were available some time after that, but my wife felt ill and used the home test kit to find out that she tested positive. Her doctor prescribed a "Z"pack which she is allergic to, so she just treated it like a cold. She is diabetic, cancer survivor and hypertensive with medication. She fared well. I came down with symptoms and called my doctor. He told me that they did not treat for home test kit results and said I had to get a "real" test. I didn't bother and just treated my symptoms like a cold. Since I seemed to have a sinus infection, I took my wife's "Z" pack which seemed to work almost immediately (couple days) and over the counter cold medicine. We didn't have the booster then and have not gotten one since. However we do know of family that rush out and get every booster that becomes available, sanitize obsessively and still caught the virus. I do not know if the vaccinations have made a difference, but figured that they were important at the beginning, so we got them. Now, my wife refuses to get the boosters and since I do not get flu shots, I am not going to get the boosters either. That is my choice and just my opinion, as a non-medical, non-professional. It is NOT luck that I have not had a serious illness, because I have the worst luck in the world if I ever gamble. I have never in my life picked a single number from a winning lottery ticket. I do not win at poker, ever. I have never won at a prize drawing. If anything, I am blessed, not lucky. Or, maybe lucky to be blessed? Anyway, I do not attempt to discourage anyone in my family from getting vaccinations. This is simply my choice, based on my opinion that I don't want that stuff in my system. I have had my shingles shot and my pneumonia vaccination. When traveling overseas, I got the required inoculations required. Whether I am right or wrong is not relevant. Arguing over whether or not shots work is not relevant because there are way too many factors involved regarding the medical history of the patients. Also my opinion and not a professional statement. Do what is best for you, in YOUR opinion. I live my life as normal as possible right now. If someone feels that I might be a carrier of the covid, then I guess you had better avoid me or continue to wear protection.

[Taurus510]

Were those "two instances" immunocompromised?
No.

[golfing eagles]

After getting up every morning (at the beginning) to get on a list for the vaccination, and finally driving over an hour to get the shots for my wife and myself, we finally felt that we had done our due diligence by getting vaccinated. Then the boosters were available some time after that, but my wife felt ill and used the home test kit to find out that she tested positive. Her doctor prescribed a "Z"pack which she is allergic to, so she just treated it like a cold. She is diabetic, cancer survivor and hypertensive with medication. She fared well. I came down with symptoms and called my doctor. He told me that they did not treat for home test kit results and said I had to get a "real" test. I didn't bother and just treated my symptoms like a cold. Since I seemed to have a sinus infection, I took my wife's "Z" pack which seemed to work almost immediately (couple days) and over the counter cold medicine. We didn't have the booster then and have not gotten one since. However we do know of family that rush out and get every booster that becomes available, sanitize obsessively and still caught the virus. I do not know if the vaccinations have made a difference, but figured that they were important at the beginning, so we got them. Now, my wife refuses to get the boosters and since I do not get flu shots, I am not going to get the boosters either. That is my choice and just my opinion, as a non-medical, non-professional. It is NOT luck that I have not had a serious illness, because I have the worst luck in the world if I ever gamble. I have never in my life picked a single number from a winning lottery ticket. I do not win at poker, ever. I have never won at a prize drawing. If anything, I am blessed, not lucky. Or, maybe lucky to be blessed? Anyway, I do not attempt to discourage anyone in my family from getting vaccinations. This is simply my choice, based on my opinion that I don't want that stuff in my system. I have had my shingles shot and my pneumonia vaccination. When traveling overseas, I got the required inoculations required. Whether I am right or wrong is not relevant. Arguing over whether or not shots work is not relevant because there are way too many factors involved regarding the medical history of the patients. Also my opinion and not a professional statement. Do what is best for you, in YOUR opinion. I live my life as normal as possible right now. If someone feels that I might be a carrier of the covid, then I guess you had better avoid me or continue to wear protection.

Glad everything has worked out OK. However, you do realize that anyone's "opinion" has nothing to do with the science of virology , epidemiology, and vaccination recommendations, any more than someone's "opinion" that the world is flat might be correct.

[MartinSE]

You mean WITH or tested positive. How many MILLIONS really had the virus and did NOT die from it?
Not related directly, but whenever I go to a doctor's appointment now, the receptionist asks me if I had my covid vaccination. They never ask for proof and never ask if I have had any boosters. Makes one wonder if they are taking covid seriously or just going through the motions.

Interesting, are you saying that a million dying is not significant since 98% don't die?

Maybe your doctor trusts you to do what's right. Silly concept a doctor and patient trusting each other.

[MartinSE]

After getting up every morning (at the beginning) to get on a list for the vaccination, and finally driving over an hour to get the shots for my wife and myself, we finally felt that we had done our due diligence by getting vaccinated. Then the boosters were available some time after that, but my wife felt ill and used the home test kit to find out that she tested positive. Her doctor prescribed a "Z"pack which she is allergic to, so she just treated it like a cold. She is diabetic, cancer survivor and hypertensive with medication. She fared well. I came down with symptoms and called my doctor. He told me that they did not treat for home test kit results and said I had to get a "real" test. I didn't bother and just treated my symptoms like a cold. Since I seemed to have a sinus infection, I took my wife's "Z" pack which seemed to work almost immediately (couple days) and over the counter cold medicine. We didn't have the booster then and have not gotten one since. However we do know of family that rush out and get every booster that becomes available, sanitize obsessively and still caught the virus. I do not know if the vaccinations have made a difference, but figured that they were important at the beginning, so we got them. Now, my wife refuses to get the boosters and since I do not get flu shots, I am not going to get the boosters either. That is my choice and just my opinion, as a non-medical, non-professional. It is NOT luck that I have not had a serious illness, because I have the worst luck in the world if I ever gamble. I have never in my life picked a single number from a winning lottery ticket. I do not win at poker, ever. I have never won at a prize drawing. If anything, I am blessed, not lucky. Or, maybe lucky to be blessed? Anyway, I do not attempt to discourage anyone in my family from getting vaccinations. This is simply my choice, based on my opinion that I don't want that stuff in my system. I have had my shingles shot and my pneumonia vaccination. When traveling overseas, I got the required inoculations required. Whether I am right or wrong is not relevant. Arguing over whether or not shots work is not relevant because there are way too many factors involved regarding the medical history of the patients. Also my opinion and not a professional statement. Do what is best for you, in YOUR opinion. I live my life as normal as possible right now. If someone feels that I might be a carrier of the covid, then I guess you had better avoid me or continue to wear protection.

It is certainly your choice to get or not get jabbed. And you certainly sound like you have considered it and made a decision, which is good.

That someone had taken all the precautions and still got COVID is normal. NO ONE I know is saying doing all those things is 100% protective. Each thing you listed reduces the odds of getting it, and further reduce the odds of dying from it, and further reduces the odds of sharing it.

Nothing in life (except death and taxes) is guaranteed. But, common good and not taking unnecessary risks is not based on fear or brain washing, but is based on caring for our fellow Americans, and doing all we can for each other. Some can do more, some have to do less. But, that is not the same as believing everyone that got the vaccination is going to die because on it, which is posted here occasionally.

[Altavia]

No autoimmune problems or health problems. BEFORE.

“ The benefits far outweigh the risks - the perfect is the enemy of the good.”

I’m sorry, you’ll have to sell that platitude somewhere else.

Wow...

People seem to have forgotten that period when hospitals and medical personnel were overloaded, and not enough needs for all patients.

When there were not enough respirators and staff had to choose who to keep alive.

When family could not hold the hands of family members as they died drowning in their own body fluids alone in a hospital bed.

Routine patients were turned away so undoubtedly many unaccounted collateral deaths due to COVID overwhelming the medical system.

My daughter has PTSD from those days working 12/7 as a COVID nurse.

Over sixty thousand people participated in the US vaccine clinical trials at before safety and efficacy data was available. I was one.

[Taurus510]

Wow...

People seem to have forgotten that period when hospitals and medical personnel were overloaded, and not enough needs for all patients.

When there were not enough respirators and staff had to choose who to keep alive.

When family could not hold the hands of family members as they died drowning in their own body fluids alone in a hospital bed.

Routine patients were turned away so undoubtedly many unaccounted collateral deaths due to COVID overwhelming the medical system.

My daughter has PTSD from those days working 12/7 as a COVID nurse.

Over sixty thousand people participated in the US vaccine clinical trials at before safety and efficacy data was available. I was one.
That was the narrative. On the other hand, countless videos were taken that showed empty hospitals, etc. My daughter was/is a nurse for a cardiologist. Their practice was in a hospital. The first week of the “15 days to slow the spread”, her Dr. told his staff that the hospital was closing their office and that the staff would be sent home. Now, they were sending doctors, nurses, and supporting staff home WHILE the hospitals were crying that they were full, overworked and soon the entire staff would be hospitalized and dying themselves. Does that sound like a good time to send an office full of trained medical professionals home? I told my wife at that time that something was not right about the whole situation. Someone was lying. And it was just beginning.

[Taurus510]

Wow...

People seem to have forgotten that period when hospitals and medical personnel were overloaded, and not enough needs for all patients.

When there were not enough respirators and staff had to choose who to keep alive.

When family could not hold the hands of family members as they died drowning in their own body fluids alone in a hospital bed.

Routine patients were turned away so undoubtedly many unaccounted collateral deaths due to COVID overwhelming the medical system.

My daughter has PTSD from those days working 12/7 as a COVID nurse.

Over sixty thousand people participated in the US vaccine clinical trials at before safety and efficacy data was available. I was one.
That was the narrative. So you’re saying that my own personal experience is faulty and that I’m not smart enough to realize it. This is EXACTLY why so many people have completely lost trust in the medical establishment. The “don’t believe your lying eyes” attitude, along with the “you don’t have a medical degree” attitude destroyed that trust. I don’t have to have a meteorological degree to know when to turn on the windshield wipers. I won’t even go into the story of my daughter’s experience, who was, (and still is), a nurse at the time when we went into the “15 days to slow the curve”. Her story was the reason I told my wife that we weren’t being told the truth about the virus. But I’m not changing your mind and you’re sure as heck not changing mine. You get your shots, along with multiple boosters. I won’t stand in your way, and I won’t try to ridicule you as some ignorant hick for getting them. I would love to get the same respect, but the last two years have proven that this isn’t going to be a possibility.

[MartinSE]

Wow...

People seem to have forgotten that period when hospitals and medical personnel were overloaded, and not enough needs for all patients.

When there were not enough respirators and staff had to choose who to keep alive.

When family could not hold the hands of family members as they died drowning in their own body fluids alone in a hospital bed.

Routine patients were turned away so undoubtedly many unaccounted collateral deaths due to COVID overwhelming the medical system.

My daughter has PTSD from those days working 12/7 as a COVID nurse.

Over sixty thousand people participated in the US vaccine clinical trials at before safety and efficacy data was available. I was one.

So true.

Sadly studies show that once you believe one conspiracy theory it is easier to believe another, and easier again to believe another. Once you believe a conspiracy theory it is very hard to not believe it no matter how much evidence there is. Our brains are wired to amplify self belief systems, and it is very uncomfortable to change one of those.

[Taurus510]

So true.

Sadly studies show that once you believe one conspiracy theory it is easier to believe another, and easier again to believe another. Once you believe a conspiracy theory it is very hard to not believe it no matter how much evidence there is. Our brains are wired to amplify self belief systems, and it is very uncomfortable to change one of those.

Once again. Someone telling me that my own personal experience is beyond my understanding. How can an ignorant hick possibly understand that his own pain that medical professionals have told him are due to a rushed to market vaccination is wrong. The ignorant hick can’t understand that his pain is actually just a conspiracy theory and not real. Pitiful, really. And you wonder why there is so much mistrust.

[golfing eagles]

So true.

Sadly studies show that once you believe one conspiracy theory it is easier to believe another, and easier again to believe another. Once you believe a conspiracy theory it is very hard to not believe it no matter how much evidence there is. Our brains are wired to amplify self belief systems, and it is very uncomfortable to change one of those.

Tell me about it. I've spent years trying to confuse people with the facts.:1rotfl::1rotfl::1rotfl:

[Two Bills]

Tell me about it. I've spent years trying to confuse people with the facts.:1rotfl::1rotfl::1rotfl:

But you have to admit facts are a little boring!
Not such a ripping yarn like the latest QAnon 'Facts.'

[MartinSE]

But you have to admit facts are a little boring!
Not such a ripping yarn like the latest QAnon 'Facts.'

Yeah, and nano-bots in the vaccine, and vaccines destroying our immune system, and jewish space lasers, and shape shifting alien lizards running the government. All great ideas for SciFi books.

[Moderator]

Another dead horse gets buried.