Entitled golf cart driver driving up Buena Vista

[Calisport]

Saw a guy in front of me exit the Miona Rec Center parking lot right on to the roundabout and north on Buena Vista going at the usual Yamaha max. gas speed of 24 mph and no license plate. Noticed a few cars having to go around him at about 4pm today. Guess safety on the way home wasn't a concern.

[Bill14564]

Was there a tag on the cart? Could have been a street legal LSV

[RICH1]

Too much Plaque buildup! He will defend his actions…

[JoelJohnson]

We went to Brownwood yesterday for the craft fair. On the way back to our car I was crossing the street with my cane and about 1/2 way across a couple in their golf cart cut right in front of me. I said "Don't let me stop you!" he said "OK".

[thelegges]

I wouldn’t have used the Entitled headline. It’s usually a confused, or crap I just pulled out on the street. How many times have you seen a cart go thru the gate, and then they realize they weren’t paying attention, missing the cart path.

Then again not long ago a lady in her late 80s was driving down BV, in a cart. I slowed my car to let her know I would follow her to the next exit, to get her safety off the road.

When she was safe, she informed me she needed to get to the doctor and since she usually drove her car, this was the only way she knew to get there. Didn’t know how to navigate the cart path to office.

Not entitled, determined, and confused, but determined to get to where she was going, and the only way she knew.

[Papa_lecki]

I also wonder if it was someone who just didn’t know. Especially if you are down for a week or a month, it takes time to figure the carts paths out.

[ThirdOfFive]

I wouldn’t have used the Entitled headline. It’s usually a confused, or crap I just pulled out on the street. How many times have you seen a cart go thru the gate, and then they realize they weren’t paying attention, missing the cart path.

Then again not long ago a lady in her late 80s was driving down BV, in a cart. I slowed my car to let her know I would follow her to the next exit, to get her safety off the road.

When she was safe, she informed me she needed to get to the doctor and since she usually drove her car, this was the only way she knew to get there. Didn’t know how to navigate the cart path to office.

Not entitled, determined, and confused, but determined to get to where she was going, and the only way she knew.
Good point. A lot of what we see as "entitled" driving can probably just be chalked up to the confusion one suffers with advancing age.

Nevertheless, whatever the cause, the problem still remains. As the Villages continues to grow the traffic congestion will only increase, and with it the chances for serious injury or death especially for those who operate golf carts or bicycles not just on MMPs physically separated from the roadways but on the roadways themselves. An 800 - lb. golf cart or a bicycle offers little protection when the other vehicle involved in an accident weighs 3,000 pounds or more.

[njbchbum]

Good point. A lot of what we see as "entitled" driving can probably just be chalked up to the confusion one suffers with advancing age.

Nevertheless, whatever the cause, the problem still remains. As the Villages continues to grow the traffic congestion will only increase, and with it the chances for serious injury or death especially for those who operate golf carts or bicycles not just on MMPs physically separated from the roadways but on the roadways themselves. An 800 - lb. golf cart or a bicycle offers little protection when the other vehicle involved in an accident weighs 3,000 pounds or more.

Seems like the drivers of the 3000 pound vehicles have to exercise a bit more care and be aware of those confused drivers of the 800 pound golf cart.

Pity the driver of the confused golf cart who encounters the entitled driver of the 3000 pound vehicle!

[ThirdOfFive]

Seems like the drivers of the 3000 pound vehicles have to exercise a bit more care and be aware of those confused drivers of the 800 pound golf cart.

Pity the driver of the confused golf cart who encounters the entitled driver of the 3000 pound vehicle!
I agree. Unfortunately though a lot of those people herding those 3,000 lb. vehicles down the road are Villagers who may be just as confused behind the steering wheel of their car as they are when in a golf cart.

I think, without being here for any significant length of time beyond six years ago, that the original system worked well enough in times past. but with increasing congestion, considering the population, comes significantly increased risk of injury or death, and unfortunately the powers-that-be show little inclination to minimize that risk.

[eweissenbach]

It seems to me that a majority of those driving 3000 pound vehicles are quite confused about speed limits.

[Dr Winston O Boogie jr]

It seems to me that a majority of those driving 3000 pound vehicles are quite confused about speed limits.

The majority??? I don't understand all of this accusing Villagers of speeding. I drive around the speed limit and never more than five miles over on occasion and I have very few people pass me.

Certainly, there are some but it seems to me that the vast, vast majority of Villagers drive pretty close to the speed limit.

[justjim]

Was there a tag on the cart? Could have been a street legal LSV

We had a street legal golf cart about 13 years ago in TV. Just drove it maybe a half dozen times on the streets of TV and said sayonara when the first years insurance expired. Which (BTW) is as expensive as car insurance. Dangerous is inadequate to describe merging a LSV that can legally travel 25 mph with 3,000 - 4,000 pound vehicles traveling 40 mph (legally 35 or 30) depending on the street. Most golf carts traveling the streets/roads of TV got there by accident and are attempting to exit as soon as possible. Kudos to those that help them.

[Michael G.]

Reading about all the crazy driving here in both golf carts and cars, I always wondered about the written driving license test
in their handbooks and material.

Most never mention of other vehicles on the road, such as golf carts and motorcycles to be aware of.

All the test I seen where all about other cars and trucks on whose got the right of way etc., nothing about the said vehicles.

[MSchad]

Golf Cart Community
Drive with Care

[eyc234]

The majority??? I don't understand all of this accusing Villagers of speeding. I drive around the speed limit and never more than five miles over on occasion and I have very few people pass me.

Certainly, there are some but it seems to me that the vast, vast majority of Villagers drive pretty close to the speed limit.

Would you like to ride with me one day. I set cruise on the speed limit and 99% of the vehicles pass me, with 98% of those being villagers. Now granted they only pass on the straight portions of the road because at the round abouts they have no clue what to do or how it works.

[Bill14564]

Would you like to ride with me one day. I set cruise on the speed limit and 99% of the vehicles pass me, with 98% of those being villagers. Now granted they only pass on the straight portions of the road because at the round abouts they have no clue what to do or how it works.

Still wondering about the secret to knowing a particular car is owned by a Villager.

Also, how do you count the cars that don’t pass you in order to come up with the 99% number?

[eweissenbach]

The majority??? I don't understand all of this accusing Villagers of speeding. I drive around the speed limit and never more than five miles over on occasion and I have very few people pass me.

Certainly, there are some but it seems to me that the vast, vast majority of Villagers drive pretty close to the speed limit.

I thought when I wrote “it seems to me”, that I was expressing my perception, not a scientific fact. I stand by my original statement.

[EdFNJ]

We need a new topic for every driver who is doing something wrong or driving 20.1MPH+. Doesn't anyone think the word "entitled" is really getting overused, misused and worn out?

Definition:
en·ti·tled
/inˈtīdld,enˈtīdld/
adjective
believing oneself to be inherently deserving of privileges or special treatment.
"kids who feel so entitled and think the world will revolve around them"

No sure how "entitled" comes close to describing the situation in the OP. Maybe confused or lost would be more correct, unless someone asked the driver if he felt he deserved to be on the road instead of the path in an unlicensed vehicle. As to the "24mph". BFD. 2/3rds of the carts here do that plus I am sure the OP had his radar gun out checking out the guy's speed or drove 20 feet behind him to check it out.

[JMintzer]

The majority??? I don't understand all of this accusing Villagers of speeding. I drive around the speed limit and never more than five miles over on occasion and I have very few people pass me.

Certainly, there are some but it seems to me that the vast, vast majority of Villagers drive pretty close to the speed limit.

Same observations here...

[Topspinmo]

We need a new topic for every driver who is doing something wrong or driving 20.1MPH+. Doesn't anyone think the word "entitled" is really getting overused, misused and worn out?

Definition:
en·ti·tled
/inˈtīdld,enˈtīdld/
adjective
believing oneself to be inherently deserving of privileges or special treatment.
"kids who feel so entitled and think the world will revolve around them"

No sure how "entitled" comes close to describing the situation in the OP. Maybe confused or lost would be more correct, unless someone asked the driver if he felt he deserved to be on the road instead of the path in an unlicensed vehicle. As to the "24mph". BFD. 2/3rds of the carts here do that plus I am sure the OP had his radar gun out checking out the guy's speed or drove 20 feet behind him to check it out.

We have been entitled too long. Suffering in our further.

[GOLFER54]

If you have lived here for a while I’m sure you have seen crazy driving behaviors by people in golf carts.The one that comes to my mind is, an elderly woman driving the opposite way on the Odell Circle going head on with on-coming traffic, she swerved around the cars and went on her way. Thank goodness she as well as other drivers weren’t hurt.

[thevillages2013]

The majority??? I don't understand all of this accusing Villagers of speeding. I drive around the speed limit and never more than five miles over on occasion and I have very few people pass me.

Certainly, there are some but it seems to me that the vast, vast majority of Villagers drive pretty close to the speed limit.

Well IMO the majority of Morse blvd and Buena Vista would be 45 mph roads if not for street legal carts being allowed on them. They are four lane limited access roads where you have to slow down in roundabouts. How often do you encounter a street legal cart (lsv) on either of them? I drive them accordingly

[dhdallas]

Seems like the drivers of the 3000 pound vehicles have to exercise a bit more care and be aware of those confused drivers of the 800 pound golf cart.

Pity the driver of the confused golf cart who encounters the entitled driver of the 3000 pound vehicle!

It is the inattentive (or drunk, senile, deaf, blind, stupid, texting, entitled, etc.) golf carts drivers who turn in front of traffic, pull out from stop signs in front of vehicles, or wander out of the cart lane that get into crashes. It is not the full size vehicle drivers hitting carts staying in their cart lanes. Exceptions listed below.

Death Race point system:

Women are worth an additional 10 points.
Teenagers are worth 40 points.
Kids under 12 are worth 75 points.
Seniors over 75 are worth 100 points.

[thevillages2013]

Would you like to ride with me one day. I set cruise on the speed limit and 99% of the vehicles pass me, with 98% of those being villagers. Now granted they only pass on the straight portions of the road because at the round abouts they have no clue what to do or how it works.

Stay in the right lane please unless you are preparing to take the third exit in a traffic circle :popcorn:

[thevillages2013]

Some of the golf carts seen leaving Golden Corral daily weigh considerably more than 800 lbs some close to double that

[golfing eagles]

Some of the golf carts seen leaving Golden Corral daily weigh considerably more than 800 lbs some close to double that

You run the weigh station at the exit??????:1rotfl::1rotfl::1rotfl:

[Mushkie]

I wouldn’t have used the Entitled headline. It’s usually a confused, or crap I just pulled out on the street. How many times have you seen a cart go thru the gate, and then they realize they weren’t paying attention, missing the cart path.

Then again not long ago a lady in her late 80s was driving down BV, in a cart. I slowed my car to let her know I would follow her to the next exit, to get her safety off the road.

When she was safe, she informed me she needed to get to the doctor and since she usually drove her car, this was the only way she knew to get there. Didn’t know how to navigate the cart path to office.

Not entitled, determined, and confused, but determined to get to where she was going, and the only way she knew.

I myself, all too often assign a negative intent to an action or statement, but being negative or nasty doesn’t change the situation and it just makes me miserable!

I felt lighter, happier after reading your reply- thank you for the positive perspective- which is as equally possible an explanation as the negative - and makes you and those that read it, more joyful.

[jimkerr]

Why is this person “entitled?” Maybe they are visitors and got confused.

[Dantes]

If street legal can’t be on the path I believe

[Rodneysblue]

Good point. A lot of what we see as "entitled" driving can probably just be chalked up to the confusion one suffers with advancing age.

Nevertheless, whatever the cause, the problem still remains. As the Villages continues to grow the traffic congestion will only increase, and with it the chances for serious injury or death especially for those who operate golf carts or bicycles not just on MMPs physically separated from the roadways but on the roadways themselves. An 800 - lb. golf cart or a bicycle offers little protection when the other vehicle involved in an accident weighs 3,000 pounds or more.



So I guess we all should drive 6000 pound SUVs to be safe. (sarcastically speaking)

[Bill14564]

If street legal can’t be on the path I believe

Common misbelief. LSV is allowed on path. Discussion has been posted in other threads.

[DaleDivine]

If street legal can’t be on the path I believe

Street legal carts are absolutely allowed on the cart paths. If for instance driving from Sarasota to Turtle Mound, you are NOT ALLOWED on 466A. If not allowed on cart path they would have to maybe go all the way down Pinellas to Buena Vista and go back to tunnel under 466A.
:bigbow::bigbow:

[banjobob]

Probably a confused renter or visitor , happens all the time .

[ThirdOfFive]

So I guess we all should drive 6000 pound SUVs to be safe. (sarcastically speaking)
Some of us should not be driving at all, most particularly in heavy, often mixed (car, cart, bicycle) traffic. Unfortunately those about whom this is most true, will be the ones most heavily denying that fact.

[D.Bolen]

We went to Brownwood yesterday for the craft fair. On the way back to our car I was crossing the street with my cane and about 1/2 way across a couple in their golf cart cut right in front of me. I said "Don't let me stop you!" he said "OK".

I've also had close calls with fast-moving carts rushing to pass extremely close in front or behind me in crosswalks with no warning, sometimes focused only on nabbing a rare parking spot in a crowded Square. As a Pedestrian in TV, you must be on the defensive at all times and keep checking your back, as you have no warning and many cart drivers seem to care little that unwillingness to slow their cart's momentum could cause an injury that could prevent someone from ever walking again. Quite a few who routinely take a shortcut by whipping through the Winn Dixie parking lot at LSL exhibit this behavior.

[golfing eagles]

I've also had close calls with fast-moving carts rushing to pass extremely close in front or behind me in crosswalks with no warning, certainly worse when their eyes are focused on a rare parking spot in a crowded Square. As a Pedestrian in TV, you must be on the defensive at all times and keep checking your back, as you have no warning and many cart drivers seem to care little that unwillingness to slow their cart's momentum could cause an injury that could prevent someone from ever walking again. Quite a few who routinely take a shortcut by whipping through the Winn Dixie parking lot at LSL exhibit this behavior.

First of all, they are not "taking a short cut", for better or worse that is how cart traffic is routed ever since they deemed the path crossing at Old Mill Run too dangerous and closed it.
Second, that cart traffic is routed along the "main road" of the parking lot----those who are in an aisle have a stop line.
Third, I have no idea how fast "whipping through" is, but many cars are "whipping through" much faster.

[DAVES]

Saw a guy in front of me exit the Miona Rec Center parking lot right on to the roundabout and north on Buena Vista going at the usual Yamaha max. gas speed of 24 mph and no license plate. Noticed a few cars having to go around him at about 4pm today. Guess safety on the way home wasn't a concern.

I'm not sure I understand the post. The LEGAL golf cart speed is NOT 24 it is 20. Entitled?
There are of course some in every group that are what I call astronomers. They are certain the world revolves around them. There seem to be few police. It, must be amusing. A court case. Yes, your honor he was driving a blue Yamaha golf cart and I clocked him doing 24 mph. He claims golf carts have no plates. How do you know it was him?

Plates on all golf carts would be the answer. Do we want that? Do I want that? Enforcement, like everything else, goes up AFTER someone or many people are injured.

[gail swanson]

Now that’s compassion

[Laker14]

I feel entitled to be clueless.

[golfing eagles]

I feel entitled to be clueless.

Don't feel bad. There's a whole bunch of Villagers who are clueless about feeling entitled.:1rotfl::1rotfl::1rotfl:

[Laker14]

Don't feel bad. There's a whole bunch of Villagers who are clueless about feeling entitled.:1rotfl::1rotfl::1rotfl:

you've given me a lot to think about.

On this particular subject, the first time I played pickleball at Miona it wasn't clear to me how to get out of the lot. Instead of going through the lot back to Bailey Trail, the way I went in, I went out the exit towards Buena Vista. I knew I wasn't supposed to be on BV so I took what I thought was a cart path, but was just a sidewalk. Until someone rather nicely told me I wasn't supposed to be there either.

I'm wondering if the person referred to in the OP was just as confused as I was.

[EdFNJ]

If street legal can’t be on the path I believe You believe wrong.

You might want to read this:
LINK: LSVs on MMP's (https://www.districtgov.org/PdfView/PdfView.aspx?path=%27/PdfUpload/Multi-Modal%20Memo%20-%20Valerie%20Fuchs.pdf%27&ql=standard)

[HospitalCoder]

If street legal can’t be on the path I believe

Street legal carts can only drive on roads with posted speed limit of 35 mph or lower. They can cross streets with a higher speed limit but only at an intersection.

Street legal carts may drive on paths but should not exceed 20 mph.

[thevillages2013]

Street legal carts are absolutely allowed on the cart paths. If for instance driving from Sarasota to Turtle Mound, you are NOT ALLOWED on 466A. If not allowed on cart path they would have to maybe go all the way down Pinellas to Buena Vista and go back to tunnel under 466A.
:bigbow::bigbow:

They can cross 466-A legally without going in the tunnel just can’t drive on 466-A

[Two Bills]

Are Street Legal Carts allowed on MMP's?
Just making sure! :icon_wink:

[JMintzer]

Are Street Legal Carts allowed on MMP's?
Just making sure! :icon_wink:

Hopefully, someone will tell us! :icon_wink:

[MidWestIA]

I caught up to a visitor guy on the road he was clueless that he couldn't. They don't get instructions at rentals

[NY2TV]

Was there a tag on the cart? Could have been a street legal LSV

The post specifically said no license plate.

[srswans]

We need a new topic for every driver who is doing something wrong or driving 20.1MPH+. Doesn't anyone think the word "entitled" is really getting overused, misused and worn out?

Definition:
en·ti·tled
/inˈtīdld,enˈtīdld/
adjective
believing oneself to be inherently deserving of privileges or special treatment.
"kids who feel so entitled and think the world will revolve around them"

No sure how "entitled" comes close to describing the situation in the OP. Maybe confused or lost would be more correct, unless someone asked the driver if he felt he deserved to be on the road instead of the path in an unlicensed vehicle. As to the "24mph". BFD. 2/3rds of the carts here do that plus I am sure the OP had his radar gun out checking out the guy's speed or drove 20 feet behind him to check it out.

Agree - we all gotta stop “mind reading” - humans are really bad at it.

[Bill14564]

The post specifically said no license plate.

I don't believe it said that when I replied. Note the original post was edited after. (The one time I don't quote the original...)

[JMintzer]

I don't believe it said that when I replied. Note the original post was edited after. (The one time I don't quote the original...)

That'll teach you! :icon_wink:

[Jacob85]

When we first came here we didn’t see where we were supposed to turn and ended up on BV and didn’t know how to get off. It seems simple now but not then

[coffeebean]

We went to Brownwood yesterday for the craft fair. On the way back to our car I was crossing the street with my cane and about 1/2 way across a couple in their golf cart cut right in front of me. I said "Don't let me stop you!" he said "OK".

Were you crossing the street at a crosswalk?

[coffeebean]

We had a street legal golf cart about 13 years ago in TV. Just drove it maybe a half dozen times on the streets of TV and said sayonara when the first years insurance expired. Which (BTW) is as expensive as car insurance. Dangerous is inadequate to describe merging a LSV that can legally travel 25 mph with 3,000 - 4,000 pound vehicles traveling 40 mph (legally 35 or 30) depending on the street. Most golf carts traveling the streets/roads of TV got there by accident and are attempting to exit as soon as possible. Kudos to those that help them.

Is it mandatory for a street legal golf cart to have a visible plate that states it is a street legal cart?

[HospitalCoder]

Is it mandatory for a street legal golf cart to have a visible plate that states it is a street legal cart?

No, just the Florida license plate.

[mikeycereal]

Saw my first LSV on the golf cart path the other day. Good thing I keep myself up to date in these forums or I would've freaked out over an entitled automobile driver. :shocked:

[PugMom]

Good point. A lot of what we see as "entitled" driving can probably just be chalked up to the confusion one suffers with advancing age.

Nevertheless, whatever the cause, the problem still remains. As the Villages continues to grow the traffic congestion will only increase, and with it the chances for serious injury or death especially for those who operate golf carts or bicycles not just on MMPs physically separated from the roadways but on the roadways themselves. An 800 - lb. golf cart or a bicycle offers little protection when the other vehicle involved in an accident weighs 3,000 pounds or more.

or just confusion, period. i drove around here a month before i felt comfortable with all the turns, cart paths & roundabouts. then add in golf carts riding alongside me in the northern areas. i always give someone a pass, i know how tough it can be trying to figure it all out.

[BamaBoy451]

I caught up to a visitor guy on the road he was clueless that he couldn't. They don't get instructions at rentals

No. They certainly don't. :ohdear:

[Malsua]

No, just the Florida license plate.


It's probably mandatory to prevent every other cart lecturing you on what roads you can drive on, how you can cross certain roads and the limit at which you must do either at.

[HospitalCoder]

It's probably mandatory to prevent every other cart lecturing you on what roads you can drive on, how you can cross certain roads and the limit at which you must do either at.

True. I just ordered street legal stickers for side windows. Previously ordered custom “street legal” plate and installed on my basket in the back.

[coffeebean]

I've also had close calls with fast-moving carts rushing to pass extremely close in front or behind me in crosswalks with no warning, sometimes focused only on nabbing a rare parking spot in a crowded Square. As a Pedestrian in TV, you must be on the defensive at all times and keep checking your back, as you have no warning and many cart drivers seem to care little that unwillingness to slow their cart's momentum could cause an injury that could prevent someone from ever walking again. Quite a few who routinely take a shortcut by whipping through the Winn Dixie parking lot at LSL exhibit this behavior.
Is the Winn Dixie parking lot considered a "short cut"? I thought it was an actual route to get from Lake Sumter Landing to the tunnel which takes you to the Caroline gate area.

[golfing eagles]

Is the Winn Dixie parking lot considered a "short cut"? I thought it was an actual route to get from Lake Sumter Landing to the tunnel which takes you to the Caroline gate area.

Correct. See my post #36

[brianherlihy]

and bicks dont stop so i dont stop

[coffeebean]

Correct. See my post #36

Hi GE......Yes, I know. I was responding to post #35 who mentioned that people "whip" through the Winn Dixie parking lot in a "short cut", so it was before your post #36. LOL. You and I both responded to that same comment.