July 4th parade in Ill

[MartinSE]

How else would WE celebrate Independence Day, but murder each other.

[Keefelane66]

How else would WE celebrate Independence Day, but murder each other.
Just another day in America!

[JohnN]

very sad. Highland Park , where the parade was, is a highly upscale neighborhood. Michael Jordan used to have a mansion there. It's on Chi-town's north side right along the lake. The city itself is a cesspool these days, as the shooting and death count just this weekend is skyrocketing.

I personally have good memories of Chicago, but that was a long, long time ago.

[Michael G.]

I personally have good memories of Chicago, but that was a long, long time ago.

Yeah, when Al Capon ruled the city.

I lived in Wisconsin most of my life and Chicago was concerned a cesspool to us.
Even the politicians in Milwaukee all came out of Chicago, ran for office, retired then
crawled back to Chitown.

[Chi-Town]

Yeah, when Al Capon ruled the city.

I lived in Wisconsin most of my life and Chicago was concerned a cesspool to us.
Even the politicians in Milwaukee all came out of Chicago, ran for office, retired then
crawled back to Chitown.

What a chicken Al Capon was.

[justjim]

The City of Highland Park is a northern suburb of Chicago and about 25 miles north of the city itself. The perpetrator has yet to be caught.

[manaboutown]

Might be Robert "Bobby" E. Crimo III. Looks like a real dirtbag in this photo.

What We Know About Person of Interest ID’d in Highland Park Parade Mass Shooting – NBC Chicago (https://www.nbcchicago.com/news/local/what-we-know-about-person-of-interest-idd-in-highland-park-parade-mass-shooting/2873176/)

Person of interest identified in Highland Park shooting - ABC7 Los Angeles (https://abc7.com/mass-shooting-illinois-fourth-of-july-highland-park-il-active-shooter/12018083/)

[Topspinmo]

Just another day in America!


Free to move.

[Topspinmo]

Yeah, when Al Capon ruled the city.

I lived in Wisconsin most of my life and Chicago was concerned a cesspool to us.
Even the politicians in Milwaukee all came out of Chicago, ran for office, retired then
crawled back to Chitown.

No different than now.

[Tvflguy]

Every “Mass Shooting” someone simply MUST start a thread on it.

[eweissenbach]

Every “Mass Shooting” someone simply MUST start a thread on it.

Yeah, just ignore it and have another drink.

[Taltarzac725]

They caught the prime suspect who has red flags out the wazoo! Suspect captured in shooting at July 4 parade in Chicago'''s Highland Park suburb | Reuters (https://www.reuters.com/world/us/shooting-reported-july-4th-parade-route-chicago-suburb-county-sheriff-2022-07-04/)

[Two Bills]

I found this an interesting article by BBC.
In UK 2020/21 there were 235 homicides where knives were involved.
The weapon of choice since guns were banned.

America'''s gun culture - in seven charts - BBC News (https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-41488081)

[GOLFER54]

Sadly throughout our country these mass murders are taking place it seems on a weekly basis. Police officers are targets, innocent civilians are killed, it isn’t even safe to go to a mall, a gas station, a church, driving in one’s car, a park, or enjoy a parade without worrying some insane maniac might shoot at you. Half the time these killers don’t even have a motive for their murdering rampages.

[Two Bills]

What a chicken Al Capon was.

Big, but no balls!

[GOLFER54]

What a chicken Al Capon was..

Alphonse Gabriel Capone

A Capon is a castrated male chicken fattened for eating

[thelegges]

Yeah, just ignore it and have another drink.

Why is it that you think poster needs another drink. Guessing you know them personally, otherwise, just a rude post to someone you have zero knowledge of.

[donassaid]

My question for all those who want to ban guns is, how do you explain and deal with what happens every single weekend in Chicago wbi h has the strictest gun laws in the country? Bad people will always be able to get a gun but we want to foolishly take guns away from away abiding citizens. How upside down can our society get?

[Worldseries27]

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Alphonse gabriel capone

a capon is a castrated male chicken fattened for eating
hence post # 5

[CFrance]

My question for all those who want to ban guns is, how do you explain and deal with what happens every single weekend in Chicago wbi h has the strictest gun laws in the country? Bad people will always be able to get a gun but we want to foolishly take guns away from away abiding citizens. How upside down can our society get?
Nobody so far had said anything about banning guns. Why bring it up?

[GRACEALLEMAN]

How else would WE celebrate Independence Day, but murder each other.

Did you see the murderer s video and pics on his Facebook?
Violent games
Sick violent video games
The reason.

[kcrazorbackfan]

How else would WE celebrate Independence Day, but murder each other.

What race is murdering each other in Bugeye’s Chicago?

[Bridget Staunton]

Did you work in WI, lots of people lived closed to the border worked in IL. WI nice state beautiful landscape

[ChicagoNative]

This area, known as Chicago’s “North Shore” to locals, is among the wealthiest collection of suburbs in the country. These are idyllic towns that look like they came out of a Hallmark movie, and are home to many movers, shakers, captains of industry and their very, very privileged families. In other words, this kind of thing isn’t supposed to happen there.

But it did. And the knee-jerk reaction was swift and predictable. “BAN GUNS!!” Illinois, Chicago and the suburbs arguably have the strictest gun laws in the country. But this still happened, and Chicago continues to make national headlines for the daily body counts. People are getting numb to it. “Ho hum. Another 50 people shot this weekend. Pass the salt.”

Maybe we should stop castrating our police departments, stop electing soft-on-crime prosecutors and woke political leadership, stop focusing on identity and pronouns instead of competence, and stop the indoctrination in the classroom that no longer teaches America the Beautiful, but America the Oppressor.

[YeOldeCurmudgeon]

The problem is that our culture is suffering from severe mental illness. You combine that with easy access to guns and this is what you get. No, it's not just the guns and it's not just the mental health problem. But combine those two and it's like the synergistic effect, and we have this explosion of gun violence. Yes, we need better mental health and yes we need more gun control.

To use Chicago as an example of gun control not working is an outlier and a problem with social conditions there. If you look across the board at other nations with strict gun control, it does work. The fact that we don't follow their example is a sign of cultural mental illness.

[Joe C.]

When you look at other countries that have strict gun control, you will see that they are Socialist or Communist countries (Australia and Great Britain are Socialist), and not Democratic Republics (which the U.S. is). But, let's not go there.

[bp243]

How else would WE celebrate Independence Day, but murder each other.

Rather than disparage Chicago, how many of you on this thread are willing to take a stronger stand on weapon ownership and if so, what would it be? ONLY asking to hear from those who believe that a stronger stand on weapons is necessary.

[Wyseguy]

Rather than disparage Chicago, how many of you on this thread are willing to take a stronger stand on weapon ownership and if so, what would it be? ONLY asking to hear from those who believe that a stronger stand on weapons is necessary.

I think you miss the point. Chicago's insanely high shooting numbers are not due to people with legal guns.

[airstreamingypsy]

Sadly throughout our country these mass murders are taking place it seems on a weekly basis. Police officers are targets, innocent civilians are killed, it isn’t even safe to go to a mall, a gas station, a church, driving in one’s car, a park, or enjoy a parade without worrying some insane maniac might shoot at you. Half the time these killers don’t even have a motive for their murdering rampages.

Weekly? This is was 308th mass shooting this year and it's the beginning of July.

[Haggar]

What a chicken Al Capon was.
People die in Chicago and you make jokes?

[Veiragirl]

How about this...BAN ALL ASSAULT WEAPONS. THEY ARE MADE FOR THE MILITARY. THEY CAN'T BE USED FOR HUNTING, SPORT SHOOTING OR ANTHING OTHER THAN SHOOTING TO KILL AS MANY VICTIMS IN AS SHORT A TIME AS POSSIBLE.WE ARE THE ONLY COUNTRY IN THE WORLD WHO HAS THIS PROBLEM HAPPEN ALL THE TIME.

[Ptmckiou]

My question for all those who want to ban guns is, how do you explain and deal with what happens every single weekend in Chicago wbi h has the strictest gun laws in the country? Bad people will always be able to get a gun but we want to foolishly take guns away from away abiding citizens. How upside down can our society get?

It’s very simple. The USA has the highest per capita gun ownership of any other country on the planet. Thereby, by your logic, the USA should be by far the safest country to live on the planet. That is not true. It’s not even close to being true. Consequently, your logic is flawed.

Another thing many like to cherry pick….”Chicago with the strongest gun laws…” Strong gun laws mean nothing in overall statistics, when anyone can drive a few miles to another nearby state and get their weapons with less strict gun laws. Thereby, cancelling out any statistical value to one small area having strict gun laws. It becomes irrelevant, unless all are following the same strict laws. Like our forefathers implied, I’m all for every citizen of the USA to carry a musket. No problem at all. I am against any citizen owning a gun that enables them to kill “faster” without reloading using bullets that explode inside a persons body Lessing their survivability, and it decapitating childrens heads. This type of weaponry is absurd to be accessible by someone not trained and lack maturity to handle them.

[bp243]

I think you miss the point. Chicago's insanely high shooting numbers are not due to people with legal guns.

So, if the shooting numbers aren’t due to people with legal guns, what is your solution to the issue?

[Wyseguy]

Sadly throughout our country these mass murders are taking place it seems on a weekly basis. Police officers are targets, innocent civilians are killed, it isn’t even safe to go to a mall, a gas station, a church, driving in one’s car, a park, or enjoy a parade without worrying some insane maniac might shoot at you. Half the time these killers don’t even have a motive for their murdering rampages.

We have close to four hundred million people in the country. Many of these came from countries where violence is a way of life. The US is the New York Yankees of the world. We should choose who we allow to immigrate into the US. Not ONLY look for rocket scientists, but people looking for a better life who show that they will add to the country. Bring something positive. Hard worker, tight family ties, overcame hardships etc.. The thousands of MS13, Latin Kings that we let enter and move freely throughout the country is a recipe for disaster. We will still have the mental health issues shootings unfortunately.

[MartinSE]

My question for all those who want to ban guns is, how do you explain and deal with what happens every single weekend in Chicago wbi h has the strictest gun laws in the country?

That is not hard to answer population density - Chicago has more people that most red states. And Wyoming has what 13 people?

Now, for you, how do you explain that 7 of the top 10 states for murder rates have are Red states with the least gun control, and 3 of the top 10 have the strictest gun control?

[MartinSE]

We have close to four hundred million people in the country. Many of these came from countries where violence is a way of life. The US is the New York Yankees of the world. We should choose who we allow to immigrate into the US. Not ONLY look for rocket scientists, but people looking for a better life who show that they will add to the country. Bring something positive. Hard worker, tight family ties, overcame hardships etc.. The thousands of MS13, Latin Kings that we let enter and move freely throughout the country is a recipe for disaster. We will still have the mental health issues shootings unfortunately.

You are conflating two things - legal immigration and sanitary seekers. If you don't want immigrants then pass laws outlawing immigration. If you don't want to get people sanctuary then change the law that lets them in.

And how many "illegal immigrants" have been involved in mass shootings? Just curious.

[billethkid]

I object to the generalized casting character of America and what she is and who lives there and what they do based on a current incident.....and in the current climate....shootings are the "measure".....only because all too many do nothing more than parrot the media (and their agenda).

We Americans as a whole are not what the media and the parrots prefer to portray!!

[Two Bills]

When you look at other countries that have strict gun control, you will see that they are Socialist or Communist countries (Australia and Great Britain are Socialist), and not Democratic Republics (which the U.S. is). But, let's not go there.

UK government is Conservative, and way to the right of present US government.
We have a social medical ( not private as in USA) and pension system (just like your SS system) which we pay for in taxes etc.
We are as capitalist as USA in our business dealings, and nearly all other services are private businesses, and like the US, we get no free dinners!
You really need to update your take on Socialism, Communism and Capitalism statements.

[MartinSE]

My question for all those who want to ban guns is, how do you explain and deal with what happens every single weekend in Chicago wbi h has the strictest gun laws in the country? Bad people will always be able to get a gun but we want to foolishly take guns away from away abiding citizens. How upside down can our society get?

Eight of the top ten states for murder rates have the least gun control, Illinois is not in the top 10.

[manaboutown]

Robert E. Crimo Video Shows Moment Highland Park Shooting Suspect Arrested (https://www.newsweek.com/robert-e-crimo-bobby-arrest-footage-video-viral-july-4-mass-shooting-highland-park-illinois-1721596?amp=1&fbclid=IwAR3vaCK43MP8mfxaay9ce6rypfXTXm1F140K17MA0 2kN_tH1rCgdcHNBS2A)

[forebubba]

How else would WE celebrate Independence Day, but murder each other.

Keep voting for those who reject common sense gun legislation.
Minority rules.

[YeOldeCurmudgeon]

I see some very good responses to this question, which in my opinion is not a political issue but a social issue. But the NRA and its adherents turned it into a political one.

Face it, folks, we were born in violence and we are dying in violence. We had a bloody Civil War during which half a million combatants were killed -- more than all the rest of our wars put together. And it seems we are moving in that direction now unless some sanity returns to our leaders and the fighting stops.

People need to realize that our leaders set an example that subconsciously affects the people they serve and when you have leaders that are mentally ill, you get what we have now.

[popbaby2]

My question for all those who want to ban guns is, how do you explain and deal with what happens every single weekend in Chicago wbi h has the strictest gun laws in the country? Bad people will always be able to get a gun but we want to foolishly take guns away from away abiding citizens. How upside down can our society get?

If guns were more tightly controlled EVERYWHERE then they couldnt get them in chicago as easily as driving a few miles away as they do now. What other civilized country has the shooting that we have. NONE by a long shot. We need more more more gun control

[Johnsocat]

21.5 Million concealed carry permits. These are the guns which are legally carried outside the home. 45 states have open carry, however it is rare to see folks carrying openly in public.
Maybe if more people carried there would be fewer criminals willing to attempt public gun crimes...
My personal belief is we all have a personal responsibility for our own safety.

[Wyseguy]

So, if the shooting numbers aren’t due to people with legal guns, what is your solution to the issue?

With 400 million people we will always have shootings. We can trade freedoms for safety. I would think that is something many would find unacceptable. In NYC we had stop and frisk (done away when DeBlasio was mayor). It was extremely effective in reducing shootings. It was also far from what I expect or want in a free country. Taking place in high crime areas such as Washington Heights, the great majority of people stopped were minorities who lived there. Innocent people, a Dominican Dad working the late shift to support his family would be hassled and frisked because he was on the street at night returning from his job. Same situation as many call for now, restrict the rights of law abiding citizen gun holders in the name of reducing crime. Actions like stop and frisk, gun bans, will reduce crimes but at what cost. Both are unacceptable.
To control the shootings and decrease crime, elect/appoint DAs who will prosecute crime. Get a tighter control on immigration. Realize that diversity on its own is not automatically a positive. Bringing in people from diverse backgrounds is great, but if they do not melt into one people it is not. Countries with a national character, homogenous countries like Japan have lower crime. Punishing law abiding people in the name of increased safety is not something I am willing to accept.

[A-2-56]

How else would WE celebrate Independence Day, but murder each other.

Instead of disarming everyone in the name of public safety, why not arm more of them and quickly reduce the body count perhaps to one, the bad guy. You anti-gun people only dream of a utopia with rainbows and unicorns. Wake up, defend yourself, your family and loved ones. Most drones are over in 10 minutes or less, how often can first responders get there in 10 minutes. Bad guys have always been here and they will always be among us. Get them first!

[YeOldeCurmudgeon]

With 400 million people we will always have shootings. We can trade freedoms for safety. I would think that is something many would find unacceptable. In NYC we had stop and frisk (done away when DeBlasio was mayor). It was extremely effective in reducing shootings. It was also far from what I expect or want in a free country. Taking place in high crime areas such as Washington Heights, the great majority of people stopped were minorities who lived there. Innocent people, a Dominican Dad working the late shift to support his family would be hassled and frisked because he was on the street at night returning from his job. Same situation as many call for now, restrict the rights of law abiding citizen gun holders in the name of reducing crime. Actions like stop and frisk, gun bans, will reduce crimes but at what cost. Both are unacceptable.
To control the shootings and decrease crime, elect/appoint DAs who will prosecute crime. Get a tighter control on immigration. Realize that diversity on its own is not automatically a positive. Bringing in people from diverse backgrounds is great, but if they do not melt into one people it is not. Countries with a national character, homogenous countries like Japan have lower crime. Punishing law abiding people in the name of increased safety is not something I am willing to accept.

So what you are saying is that your freedom to carry a gun is more important than the lives of other people because that's all gun control laws do, restrict your rights on a carrying a gun.

In a civilized society with responsible law enforcement, we don't need to carry a gun for protection. Unfortunately, it's looking like we are becoming less and less civil. Why are you blaming immigrants, who our nation has caused to emigrate because of our foreign policy? Most of them are not criminal but very poor people looking for a second chance.

Stop listening to mentally-ill, power hungry demagogues who currently occupy the highest level positions in our government.

[Wyseguy]

How about this...BAN ALL ASSAULT WEAPONS. THEY ARE MADE FOR THE MILITARY. THEY CAN'T BE USED FOR HUNTING, SPORT SHOOTING OR ANTHING OTHER THAN SHOOTING TO KILL AS MANY VICTIMS IN AS SHORT A TIME AS POSSIBLE.WE ARE THE ONLY COUNTRY IN THE WORLD WHO HAS THIS PROBLEM HAPPEN ALL THE TIME.


Assault weapons were banned in the USA to citizens in 1934.
Clinton then tried to ban weapons that had the appearance of an assault weapon.
Any automatic weapon not registered as per the 1934 law can not be owned. If you find a machine gun from 1934 in your great great grandfathers attic, and it was not registered in 1934 it must be destroyed or made inoperable. If it was registered you can "try" and jump through the hoops to make it ok for you to own it (Almost Impossible).

[Bill14564]

Keep voting for those who reject common sense gun legislation.
Minority rules.

Just what is that common sense gun legislation that would have made a difference in the last three shootings?

Minority rules?? What gives you that idea; does it come from the "random" polling conducted by to prove a point?

[Wyseguy]

Stop listening to mentally-ill, power hungry demagogues who currently occupy the highest level positions in our government.[/QUOTE]


I agree with your sentiment above, but you should still keep respect for the office of the President.

I guess you and I have a different opinion on the US. As someone who actually emigrated from another country here, I see the US as the most welcoming country that shines like a beacon to the rest of the world. You seem to have a different view.

[Geodyssey]

How else would WE celebrate Independence Day, but murder each other.

Who is this "WE"?

I've never murdered anyone. Speak for yourself.

But yes, that is Modern America. Look at all the people in foreign countries (Vietnam, Iraq, Libya, Afghanistan, the ukraine, etc) that the US government has murdered or has assisted in murder (Palestine, Yemen...)

USA # 1 in something.

[Geodyssey]

What a chicken Al Capon was.


lol, nice. How many got that?

[Geodyssey]

What race is murdering each other in Bugeye’s Chicago?

5 percent of the population commit 50 percent of all murders in the USA.

(You know who they are)

[Blueblaze]

The problem is that our culture is suffering from severe mental illness. You combine that with easy access to guns and this is what you get. No, it's not just the guns and it's not just the mental health problem. But combine those two and it's like the synergistic effect, and we have this explosion of gun violence. Yes, we need better mental health and yes we need more gun control.

To use Chicago as an example of gun control not working is an outlier and a problem with social conditions there. If you look across the board at other nations with strict gun control, it does work. The fact that we don't follow their example is a sign of cultural mental illness.


Really? Then how about Brazil? Pretty bad "social conditions" there, wouldn't you say? But when Bolsonaro ended Brazil's gun ban, murders dropped TWENTY-FIVE PERCENT! Turns out, murderers aren't so murderous when their victims are armed!

Houston and Dallas/Ft Worth are each nearly the same size as Chicago, with the same inner-city populations, and even run by left-wing politicians. But no gun bans. And they each suffer less than a quarter of the gun crime as "gun free" Chicago.

How many examples do you need? How many times must we run the same stupid experiment before we admit that theory doesn't equal facts?

Hey, I have an idea! Instead of banning guns, why don't we go back to the good old days, when we used to ban criminals and lunatics?

[Topspinmo]

Yeah, just ignore it and have another drink.

So, you think TOTV going change anything?

[Boomer]

Here we are in a thread full of the usual arguments and blaming, but may I filter it down……………

How can families not notice they are housing a sullen, depressed, angry, young, undirected, white male who finds his only “friends” on the internet where they all feed on each other? Now the internet even has a special place for incels where they can fill up on hate for females and also hate for males who have romantic relationships.

How did parents allow their children to turn into monsters?

Do we need public service announcements listing the signs?

Do we need public service announcements about not allowing your kid to hole up in his room with a computer — just because it is easier — only to learn too late that a monster has been growing all along?

Pogo was right.

Boomer

[nn0wheremann]

How else would WE celebrate Independence Day, but murder each other.
Maybe if you and yours are poor little rich boys with big bad toys who don’t want to play by the rules. Don’t count me among your “we.”

[Topspinmo]

Who is this "WE"?

I've never murdered anyone. Speak for yourself.

But yes, that is Modern America. Look at all the people in foreign countries (Vietnam, Iraq, Libya, Afghanistan, the ukraine, etc) that the US government has murdered or has assisted in murder (Palestine, Yemen...)

USA # 1 in something.

In USA you are free to move to those wonderful countries.

[Topspinmo]

Here we are in a thread full of the usual arguments and blaming, but may I filter it down……………

How can families not notice they are housing a sullen, depressed, angry, young, undirected, white male who finds his only “friends” on the internet where they all feed on each other? Now the internet even has a special place for incels where they can fill up on hate for females and also hate for males who have romantic relationships.

How did parents allow their children to turn into monsters?

Do we need public service announcements listing the signs?

Do we need public service announcements about not allowing your kid to hole up in his room with a computer — just because it is easier — only to learn too late that a monster has been growing all along?

Pogo was right.

Boomer

No, you filter on has one white element.

[Geodyssey]

How about this...BAN ALL ASSAULT WEAPONS. THEY ARE MADE FOR THE MILITARY. THEY CAN'T BE USED FOR HUNTING, SPORT SHOOTING OR ANTHING OTHER THAN SHOOTING TO KILL AS MANY VICTIMS IN AS SHORT A TIME AS POSSIBLE.WE ARE THE ONLY COUNTRY IN THE WORLD WHO HAS THIS PROBLEM HAPPEN ALL THE TIME.

How about banning all caps?

[golf4dns]

Every “Mass Shooting” someone simply MUST start a thread on it.

Here is what a New Zealander friend thought about latest:

Right now in America it is the 4th of July, a day of independence and celebration. Unfortunately due to their 2nd amendment, 6 more people have died in the 358th shooting this year to date, that's nearly 2 shootings a day.😪
Meanwhile in New Zealand we are concerned with lack of gender equality in "Hairy McCleary from Donaldsons Dairy" WTF?????

[Boomer]

Here we are in a thread full of the usual arguments and blaming, but may I filter it down……………

How can families not notice they are housing a sullen, depressed, angry, young, undirected, white male who finds his only “friends” on the internet where they all feed on each other? Now the internet even has a special place for incels where they can fill up on hate for females and also hate for males who have romantic relationships.

How did parents allow their children to turn into monsters?

Do we need public service announcements listing the signs?

Do we need public service announcements about not allowing your kid to hole up in his room with a computer — just because it is easier — only to learn too late that a monster has been growing all along?

Pogo was right.

Boomer



No, you filter on has one white element.


Topspinmo, no need to critique my filtering. I am talking only about the stats applying to mass shootings.

Boomer

[Geodyssey]

Who is this "WE"?

I've never murdered anyone. Speak for yourself.

But yes, that is Modern America. Look at all the people in foreign countries (Vietnam, Iraq, Libya, Afghanistan, the ukraine, etc) that the US government has murdered or has assisted in murder (Palestine, Yemen...)

USA # 1 in something.

In USA you are free to move to those wonderful countries.

I never said those were wonderful countries. Where did you get that?

I said the US government (with support of most of the citizens- looking at you NeoCons), over the years, has murdered hundereds of thousands of civilians in other countries.

[Michael G.]

I see some very good responses to this question, which in my opinion is not a political issue but a social issue. But the NRA and its adherents turned it into a political one.

Face it, folks, we were born in violence and we are dying in violence. We had a bloody Civil War during which half a million combatants were killed -- more than all the rest of our wars put together. And it seems we are moving in that direction now unless some sanity returns to our leaders and the fighting stops.

People need to realize that our leaders set an example that subconsciously affects the people they serve and when you have leaders that are mentally ill, you get what we have now.


Go back a little farther and ask what about children morals in the home/schools.
No respect for people's lives born and raised by parents with the same problem.

Short story:
Reading some years back a survey was performed in the worst prison that housed the worst criminals.
One thing that was discovered was, NONE OF THOSE VILILIENT PRISONERS HAD PETS TO CARE FOR AS CHILDREN.
Meaning, none had any respect for animals or people.
End of story.

[Joe C.]

How about this...BAN ALL ASSAULT WEAPONS. THEY ARE MADE FOR THE MILITARY. THEY CAN'T BE USED FOR HUNTING, SPORT SHOOTING OR ANTHING OTHER THAN SHOOTING TO KILL AS MANY VICTIMS IN AS SHORT A TIME AS POSSIBLE.WE ARE THE ONLY COUNTRY IN THE WORLD WHO HAS THIS PROBLEM HAPPEN ALL THE TIME.

Sorry, but the AR-15 is NOT an assault weapon. Assault weapons are select-fire, semi-auto and full auto. An AR-15 is a semi-auto, and only looks like the military version. Besides, semi-automatic rifles were invented for civilian (hunting) use years before the military decided to go semi-auto. Also, hunting, sport shooting, and target shooting is done on a daily basis with semi-automatic weapons. It would help if you got your facts together before issuing an emotional and illogical statement. But, I do understand where you are coming from.

[Geodyssey]

Sorry, but the AR-15 is NOT an assault weapon. Assault weapons are select-fire, semi-auto and full auto. An AR-15 is a semi-auto, and only looks like the military version. Besides, semi-automatic rifles were invented for civilian (hunting) use years before the military decided to go semi-auto. Also, hunting, sport shooting, and target shooting is done on a daily basis with semi-automatic weapons. It would help if you got your facts together before issuing an emotional and illogical statement. But, I do understand where you are coming from.

All facts, thanks.

[barbnick]

We know. What are the solutions?

[MartinSE]

Go back a little farther and ask what about children morals in the home/schools.
No respect for people's lives born and raised by parents with the same problem.

Short story:
Reading some years back a survey was performed in the worst prison that housed the worst criminals.
One thing that was discovered was, NONE OF THOSE VILILIENT PRISONERS HAD PETS TO CARE FOR AS CHILDREN.
Meaning, none had any respect for animals or people.
End of story.

Correlation does not equal causation. I assume you are not saying we could solve all the mass shootings by simply giving everyone a pet.

[MartinSE]

Sorry, but the AR-15 is NOT an assault weapon. Assault weapons are select-fire, semi-auto and full auto. An AR-15 is a semi-auto, and only looks like the military version. Besides, semi-automatic rifles were invented for civilian (hunting) use years before the military decided to go semi-auto. Also, hunting, sport shooting, and target shooting is done on a daily basis with semi-automatic weapons. It would help if you got your facts together before issuing an emotional and illogical statement. But, I do understand where you are coming from.

I agree with your statement, but not everyone is gun smart, I am sure the poster was simply using the current popular term (assault weapon) to refer to the Assault styled weapon commonly called the AR_15, which is the weapon of choice for mass shootings. That does not take away from your points, but we could all use a little more effort to reason what people are trying to say instead of getting all bent over they saying it wrong.

I was a IT consultant most of my career and I would not have had many clients if I constantly corrected their incorrect usages of IT terminology, instead I tried to understand what they meant, so we could address the problem they have.

Arguing over terms while mass shooting occur about every 2 days in this country is not really productive and tends to make people feel confrontational.

[Sherry8bal]

How else would WE celebrate Independence Day, but murder each other.

Yep, that's Chicago for you and where is the idiot Lightfoot at? Oh that's right, she has her own security so she doesn't care who gets murdered. Crazy!

[manaboutown]

You are conflating two things - legal immigration and sanitary seekers.

Never heard of a sanitary seeker. What are they, folks who need a restroom ASAP?

[manaboutown]

And Wyoming has what 13 people?

Wyoming's population as of the 2020 census was 576,851. Over the years I have met several people from Wyoming. Without exception they were among the friendliest people I ever knew.

[MartinSE]

Yep, that's Chicago for you and where is the idiot Lightfoot at? Oh that's right, she has her own security so she doesn't care who gets murdered. Crazy!

This is pretty weak. It offers NO solutions, and just throws out dog whistles.

If it is Lightfoot's fault, what happened in the other 327 mass shootings this year?

Gun violence and mass shootings are two different animals. And just to clarify, 8 of the top 10 states for murder rate by guns are red states. The top 3 are all red states. Notice I said RATE not numbers of shootings when you have a city like Chicago that has more residents than 6.7 million than states like Wyoming (500K) it is not much of a surprise that Chicago has more deaths by gun fire. Illinois has 14/100,000 while Wyoming (25.9/100,000), Alabama (23/100,000), Missouri (23.9/100,000) - so, I just have to ask what do all those blue states have in common as opposed to those red states? (besides color) they have stronger gun control laws in Blue states.

[chet2020]

In NYC we had stop and frisk (done away when DeBlasio was mayor). It was extremely effective in reducing shootings.

Crime did drop during stop and frisk, but not because of stop and frisk. It was demographics. There were far fewer males age 18-25 in the city during that time period. And why was that? Roe v Wade had been decided about 20 years earlier. Yup, forced birth increases crime, pro-choice reduces crime. Makes sense when you think about it.

The Impact of Legalized Abortion on Crime over the Last Two Decades - Journal Article - Stanford Law School (https://law.stanford.edu/publications/the-impact-of-legalized-abortion-on-crime-over-the-last-two-decades/#:~:text=Legalized%20abortion%20is%20estimated%20t o,of%20the%20observed%20crime%20decline).

[forebubba]

Just what is that common sense gun legislation that would have made a difference in the last three shootings?

Minority rules?? What gives you that idea; does it come from the "random" polling conducted by to prove a point?

Do you need a military weapon designed to kill and rip apart anything it hits?
Do you need a 30 + round clip?
Do you need a gun that can fire 30 rounds in 15 seconds?
Do you have a problem waiting for a week to get a gun while a person is checked out for a mental and and or criminal record.
Do you think it's ok for people to have guns more powerful than the police?

A overwhelming number of people want these changes EVEN GUN OWNERS

Wake up

[Pballer]

Sorry, but the AR-15 is NOT an assault weapon. Assault weapons are select-fire, semi-auto and full auto. An AR-15 is a semi-auto, and only looks like the military version. Besides, semi-automatic rifles were invented for civilian (hunting) use years before the military decided to go semi-auto. Also, hunting, sport shooting, and target shooting is done on a daily basis with semi-automatic weapons. It would help if you got your facts together before issuing an emotional and illogical statement. But, I do understand where you are coming from.

I can see needing a semi-automatic for the "sport" of hunting. Make sure the animal has no chance.

[MrFlorida]

Do you need a military weapon designed to kill and rip apart anything it hits?
Do you need a 30 + round clip?
Do you need a gun that can fire 30 rounds in 15 seconds?
Do you have a problem waiting for a week to get a gun while a person is checked out for a mental and and or criminal record.
Do you think it's ok for people to have guns more powerful than the police?

A overwhelming number of people want these changes EVEN GUN OWNERS

Wake up

The Supreme Court say's its our Constitutional right, if you don't agree you can move.

[rhand48]

Do you want to tell me what politicians coming from Chicago to Milwaukee your referring to??




"I lived in Wisconsin most of my life and Chicago was concerned a cesspool to us.
Even the politicians in Milwaukee all came out of Chicago, ran for office, retired then crawled back to Chitown."

[Bill14564]

I can see needing a semi-automatic for the "sport" of hunting. Make sure the animal has no chance.

So you're not a hunter. Many bird hunters use semi-automatics in order to get more than one shot at a group of birds flying away.

[New Englander]

The police think they got the shooter. Given a fair trial and found guilty. I think he should be hung. Anyone who commits horrendous crimes like this should dangle from the end of a rope.

[Bill14564]

Do you need a military weapon designed to kill and rip apart anything it hits?
Do you need a 30 + round clip?
Do you need a gun that can fire 30 rounds in 15 seconds?
Do you have a problem waiting for a week to get a gun while a person is checked out for a mental and and or criminal record.
Do you think it's ok for people to have guns more powerful than the police?

A overwhelming number of people want these changes EVEN GUN OWNERS

Wake up

Military weapons are already illegal.

A weapon should not be made illegal based solely on whether it is ugly or pretty.

I don't want laws that set a precedent with an arbitrary line that can later be changed. I am against weakening the Constitution by letting a foot in the door.

Would a background check have made a difference? For all I know, one was performed.

I am skeptical of the "overwhelming number" claim. But easy enough to find out - put it on a ballot.

Where is the legislation making it illegal to shoot students and teachers or to shoot into a crowd watching a parade? If the solution was a law then let's create those laws. What? Those laws already exist but the criminals don't obey them? Then why in the world is there such a push to create more laws for the criminals to disobey.

[Joe C.]

I agree with your statement, but not everyone is gun smart, I am sure the poster was simply using the current popular term (assault weapon) to refer to the Assault styled weapon commonly called the AR_15, which is the weapon of choice for mass shootings. That does not take away from your points, but we could all use a little more effort to reason what people are trying to say instead of getting all bent over they saying it wrong.

I was a IT consultant most of my career and I would not have had many clients if I constantly corrected their incorrect usages of IT terminology, instead I tried to understand what they meant, so we could address the problem they have.

Arguing over terms while mass shooting occur about every 2 days in this country is not really productive and tends to make people feel confrontational.
Here's the problem with that: People need to correctly identify and use the proper terminology when talking or reporting about firearms. When definitions are skewed, and continually used in public, a common misunderstanding ends up becoming "fact". People call a magazine by the incorrect term "clip" and that word can eventually be used when enacting local laws. People watch too many movies with guns and actually believe those special effects are real. Words have meaning, and should be used correctly in order for the reader or listener to understand what is actually being conveyed.

[Pballer]

So you're not a hunter. Many bird hunters use semi-automatics in order to get more than one shot at a group of birds flying away.

I guess it is the great equalizer for hunters that have no marksmanship skills. I wonder how they ever shot birds in the 19th and earlier centuries.

[Bellavita]

2021 Nearly eight-in-ten (79%) U.S. murders in 2020 – 19,384 out of 24,576 – involved a firearm.

I found this an interesting article by BBC.
In UK 2020/21 there were 235 homicides where knives were involved.
The weapon of choice since guns were banned.

America'''s gun culture - in seven charts - BBC News (https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-41488081)

[MartinSE]

The Supreme Court say's its our Constitutional right, if you don't agree you can move.

Why does everyone hate America so much. I joined the Marines so people can say things like that. I sure don’t agree with it. AMericas greatness has been its diversity and respect. Telling people to leave because you disagree is discussing and anti everything America stand for.

[MartinSE]

Here's the problem with that: People need to correctly identify and use the proper terminology when talking or reporting about firearms. When definitions are skewed, and continually used in public, a common misunderstanding ends up becoming "fact". People call a magazine by the incorrect term "clip" and that word can eventually be used when enacting local laws. People watch too many movies with guns and actually believe those special effects are real. Words have meaning, and should be used correctly in order for the reader or listener to understand what is actually being conveyed.

So people who are not literate in some you know about should just shut up? No point in trying to understand what they are saying? No point in trying to politely educate them? No point trying to discuss, just rant about a word that is improper.y used while every two days more people, often children, die.

Good plan

[billethkid]

Here's the problem with that: People need to correctly identify and use the proper terminology when talking or reporting about firearms. When definitions are skewed, and continually used in public, a common misunderstanding ends up becoming "fact". People call a magazine by the incorrect term "clip" and that word can eventually be used when enacting local laws. People watch too many movies with guns and actually believe those special effects are real. Words have meaning, and should be used correctly in order for the reader or listener to understand what is actually being conveyed.

Most of the media have no idea what they are talking about (parroting!!).

And way too many on open forums like this have no clue what they are talking about.....here again parroting from the media or special interest talking points......where it matters not whether accurate or false.

They are entitled to their opinion even if incorrect.

[jimbomaybe]

I can see needing a semi-automatic for the "sport" of hunting. Make sure the animal has no chance.
being killed outright by a gun shot is probably much quicker and a cleaner death than most animals experience in the wild, a quick follow up shot could save the animal from a slower harder death if they were to escape wounded

[jimbomaybe]

Most of the media have no idea what they are talking about (parroting!!).

And way too many on open forums like this have no clue what they are talking about.....here again parroting from the media or special interest talking points......where it matters not whether accurate or false.

They are entitled to their opinion even if incorrect.

Certainly everyone has a right to their opinion, but if a person is wrong on the facts it degrades the worth of their opinion

[Bill14564]

I guess it is the great equalizer for hunters that have no marksmanship skills. I wonder how they ever shot birds in the 19th and earlier centuries.

Speaking about something you know nothing about.

[Chi-Town]

The shooter

[JMintzer]

It’s very simple. The USA has the highest per capita gun ownership of any other country on the planet. Thereby, by your logic, the USA should be by far the safest country to live on the planet. That is not true. It’s not even close to being true. Consequently, your logic is flawed.

Another thing many like to cherry pick….”Chicago with the strongest gun laws…” Strong gun laws mean nothing in overall statistics, when anyone can drive a few miles to another nearby state and get their weapons with less strict gun laws. Thereby, cancelling out any statistical value to one small area having strict gun laws. It becomes irrelevant, unless all are following the same strict laws. Like our forefathers implied, I’m all for every citizen of the USA to carry a musket. No problem at all. I am against any citizen owning a gun that enables them to kill “faster” without reloading using bullets that explode inside a persons body Lessing their survivability, and it decapitating childrens heads. This type of weaponry is absurd to be accessible by someone not trained and lack maturity to handle them.

Tell me you don't know how gun laws work without telling me you don't know how gun laws work...

No, you cannot simply drive across state lines and purchase a handgun... (the weapon of choice for Chicago shooters...)

[JMintzer]

Eight of the top ten states for murder rates have the least gun control, Illinois is not in the top 10.

But Chicago is...

I do give you credit for your attempt at playing with statistics...

[JMintzer]

Keep voting for those who reject common sense gun legislation.
Minority rules.

Care to give examples of such "common sense" regulations?

[JMintzer]

If guns were more tightly controlled EVERYWHERE then they couldnt get them in chicago as easily as driving a few miles away as they do now. What other civilized country has the shooting that we have. NONE by a long shot. We need more more more gun control

Nope. That's not how federal gun regulations work...

[forebubba]

2021 Nearly eight-in-ten (79%) U.S. murders in 2020 – 19,384 out of 24,576 – involved a firearm.

Were any of them mass stabbings?

[JMintzer]

This is pretty weak. It offers NO solutions, and just throws out dog whistles.

If it is Lightfoot's fault, what happened in the other 327 mass shootings this year?

You mean the ones you claim were mostly done using an AR-15?

Yeah, that's pretty a weak dog whistle...

[forebubba]

Care to give examples of such "common sense" regulations?

I did previously...no need to repeat it

[JMintzer]

Do you need a military weapon designed to kill and rip apart anything it hits?

You just describe pretty much every single gun...

Do you need a 30 + round clip?

They're called magazines. And yes...

Do you need a gun that can fire 30 rounds in 15 seconds?

Sometimes... Possibly... I rather have it and not need it than need it and not have it...

Do you have a problem waiting for a week to get a gun while a person is checked out for a mental and and or criminal record.

It shouldn't have to take a week.

But better you should ask the woman in NJ, who was waiting for her permit to buy a gun was approved and was murdered by her ex-boyfriend... You know, the guy who ignored the restraining order...


Do you think it's ok for people to have guns more powerful than the police?

What guns are those?

A overwhelming number of people want these changes EVEN GUN OWNERS

Wake up

I don't believe that's true. And I'm WIDE awake...

[forebubba]

The Supreme Court say's its our Constitutional right, if you don't agree you can move.

It was written when they had muskets.
If you need it for protection pray the other doesn't have an AR15

[JMintzer]

I can see needing a semi-automatic for the "sport" of hunting. Make sure the animal has no chance.

Sure, let the wounded animal run off while you're reloading and suffer instead of making a quick kill...

[JMintzer]

I guess it is the great equalizer for hunters that have no marksmanship skills. I wonder how they ever shot birds in the 19th and earlier centuries.

With double barrel shotguns that could fire multiple rounds quickly...

[JMintzer]

So people who are not literate in some you know about should just shut up? No point in trying to understand what they are saying? No point in trying to politely educate them? No point trying to discuss, just rant about a word that is improper.y used while every two days more people, often children, die.

Good plan

Weren't you commenting on others not being "gun smart"?

Oh, and nice of you to throw in the emotional blackmail...

[JMintzer]

I did previously...no need to repeat it

I only saw silly questions...

[JMintzer]

It was written when they had muskets.
If you need it for protection pray the other doesn't have an AR15

Ah, the "muskets" gambit...

Yes, muskets, which were the "military grade" weapons of the time...

Civilians also owned canons and gun ships (which they leased to the newly created government to fight the British)...

Oh, btw, the 1A was written when they only had set type printing and town criers. No TV, Radio or Internet...

[Reiver]

These dangerous weapons need to be banned so that people like Darrell E. Brooks Jr. can't use them to kill 6 people and injure dozens of others at a holiday parade.

[chet2020]

But Chicago is...

I do give you credit for your attempt at playing with statistics...

Gun deaths per 100,000:

Chicago - 18.26

Wyoming - 25.9

[Reiver]

Gun deaths per 100,000:

Chicago - 18.26

Wyoming - 25.9

The murder rate in Chicago is 18.26 per 100,000.
The Firearm Injury Death Rate of Wyoming is 25.9 per 100,000.

Once again, credit for your attempt at playing with statistics...

The murder rate in Wyoming for 2017 was 2.6 per 100,000.

[Dahabs]

Just another day in America!

Keep doing the same thing(s) expecting a different result.

[Pballer]

Sure, let the wounded animal run off while you're reloading and suffer instead of making a quick kill...

I'm touched by your concern for the animal. I guess the same can be said for the human victim of an assault weapon.

[bp243]

With 400 million people we will always have shootings. We can trade freedoms for safety. I would think that is something many would find unacceptable. In NYC we had stop and frisk (done away when DeBlasio was mayor). It was extremely effective in reducing shootings. It was also far from what I expect or want in a free country. Taking place in high crime areas such as Washington Heights, the great majority of people stopped were minorities who lived there. Innocent people, a Dominican Dad working the late shift to support his family would be hassled and frisked because he was on the street at night returning from his job. Same situation as many call for now, restrict the rights of law abiding citizen gun holders in the name of reducing crime. Actions like stop and frisk, gun bans, will reduce crimes but at what cost. Both are unacceptable.
To control the shootings and decrease crime, elect/appoint DAs who will prosecute crime. Get a tighter control on immigration. Realize that diversity on its own is not automatically a positive. Bringing in people from diverse backgrounds is great, but if they do not melt into one people it is not. Countries with a national character, homogenous countries like Japan have lower crime. Punishing law abiding people in the name of increased safety is not something I am willing to accept.
Wiseguy, thank you for your thoughtful comments. Agree about contained countries like Japan and Iceland, etc. However, America was built on immigrants as was Canada. How do we compare with Canada regarding gun violence? The Second Amendment was passed in 1789. Surely our world has changed since then. Plus, who in the world needs an AR-15?

[forebubba]

I'm touched by your concern for the animal. I guess the same can be said for the human victim of an assault weapon.

What do you say to the 2 year old who's parents were both killed in front of him?
The 2nd amendment to the constitution allowed the shooter to buy an AR15 to kill them. They did not suffer long because they were ripped apart by the bullets made for war.

[JMintzer]

Gun deaths per 100,000:

Chicago - 18.26

Wyoming - 25.9

Gun deaths 2021 (2020 for Wyoming)

Chigago: 797

Wyoming: 157 (86% of which are suicides)...

[JMintzer]

What do you say to the 2 year old who's parents were both killed in front of him?
The 2nd amendment to the constitution allowed the shooter to buy an AR15 to kill them. They did not suffer long because they were ripped apart by the bullets made for war.

Another attempt at emotional blackmail...

Emotions make horrible policy...

[MandoMan]

How else would WE celebrate Independence Day, but murder each other.

Most of the news coverage has been regarding a single killer in an upscale neighborhood that isn’t even in Chicago, but is an independent city 25 miles north of Chicago. But what happened in Chicago?

From NBC News Chicago: “Nine people have been shot and killed in Chicago over the Fourth of July weekend in Chicago. They are among at least 57 people shot, according to police. Last year, 19 people were killed and more than 100 people were shot over the long Fourth of July weekend.”

Note that this DOES NOT include the people shot in Highland Park. This is just Chicago. And this year was much better than last year. If you read the whole list of what happened, it seems to be a lot of thugs going around shooting people. Why doesn’t this get the same coverage? And then when law enforcement tries to arrest these shooters, lots of people complain that it was police brutality.

[JMintzer]

I'm touched by your concern for the animal. I guess the same can be said for the human victim of an assault weapon.

When someone is killed with an assault weapon, get back to me...

[chet2020]

The murder rate in Chicago is 18.26 per 100,000.
The Firearm Injury Death Rate of Wyoming is 25.9 per 100,000.

Once again, credit for your attempt at playing with statistics...

The murder rate in Wyoming for 2017 was 2.6 per 100,000.

Right, it's difficult to find exactly comparable data because the NRA/Congress did not allow the CDC to track gun death rates for many years. I'm simply pointing out that this Chicago narrative is flawed, they are not even in the top 10 of murders per capita in the U.S.

[JMintzer]

Right, it's difficult to find exactly comparable data because the NRA/Congress did not allow the CDC to track gun death rates for many years. I'm simply pointing out that this Chicago narrative is flawed, they are not even in the top 10 of murders per capita in the U.S.

Yeah, the CDC did such a great job with differentiating those who dies FROM covid, vs those who died WITH covid...

And last I checked, gun deaths aren't a "disease"... You know the "Center for Disease Control"?

But it's not that hard to find comparable data. It's just that there are those who purposely chose to conflate the data to confuse people to fit their narrative...

But if you want to talk about "per capita" only, why not start by dividing Chicago in two, North/South, because the vast majority of murders occur on the South side. Then, zero in on a certain areas and you'll see that a small number of those areas have most of the deaths...

But no, it's easier to compare Chicago (or even Illinois) as a whole, which is intellectually dishonest...

Also, where I grew up (and still maintain my primary residence), Montgomery County, MD, the murder rate is very low. But in Baltimore, it's very high. So that begs the question, is MD safe or dangerous?

[billethkid]

Right, it's difficult to find exactly comparable data because the NRA/Congress did not allow the CDC to track gun death rates for many years. I'm simply pointing out that this Chicago narrative is flawed, they are not even in the top 10 of murders per capita in the U.S.

So because Chicago has a SIGNIFICANTLY bigger denominator they have less of a problem??????

One can find (or make) any statistic to support any given narrative.

Non statistic example?

Driving along one notes that every barn has arrows in it and arrow is in the bullseye. Narrative? Very good marksmen live there.

Then they come upon a guy that is painting bullseyes around arrows already in the barn!!!

[Moderator]

This thread is on thin ice. Any further political posts and it gets shut down.

-Moderator

[Geodyssey]

The murder rate in Chicago is 18.26 per 100,000.
The Firearm Injury Death Rate of Wyoming is 25.9 per 100,000.

Once again, credit for your attempt at playing with statistics...

The murder rate in Wyoming for 2017 was 2.6 per 100,000.


I'd just like to repeat those facts:

The murder rate in Chicago is 18.26 per 100,000.
The Firearm Injury Death Rate of Wyoming is 25.9 per 100,000.

Once again, credit for your attempt at playing with statistics...

The murder rate in Wyoming for 2017 was 2.6 per 100,000.

[MartinSE]

So because Chicago has a SIGNIFICANTLY bigger denominator they have less of a problem??????

One can find (or make) any statistic to support any given narrative.

Non statistic example?

Driving along one notes that every barn has arrows in it and arrow is in the bullseye. Narrative? Very good marksmen live there.

Then they come upon a guy that is painting bullseyes around arrows already in the barn!!!

yes, murder rate is more important than murder count. Do you want to live in a neighborhood with 1 person is killed every year (that has a population of 10) or do you want to live in a neighborhood with 100 people killed every year that has a population of 10 million? You are much more likely to not murdered in the city with 10 million.

[Number 10 GI]

It’s very simple. The USA has the highest per capita gun ownership of any other country on the planet. Thereby, by your logic, the USA should be by far the safest country to live on the planet. That is not true. It’s not even close to being true. Consequently, your logic is flawed.

Another thing many like to cherry pick….”Chicago with the strongest gun laws…” Strong gun laws mean nothing in overall statistics, when anyone can drive a few miles to another nearby state and get their weapons with less strict gun laws. Thereby, cancelling out any statistical value to one small area having strict gun laws. It becomes irrelevant, unless all are following the same strict laws. Like our forefathers implied, I’m all for every citizen of the USA to carry a musket. No problem at all. I am against any citizen owning a gun that enables them to kill “faster” without reloading using bullets that explode inside a persons body Lessing their survivability, and it decapitating childrens heads. This type of weaponry is absurd to be accessible by someone not trained and lack maturity to handle them.

Please educate yourself on gun laws pertaining to legally purchasing them. You cannot travel to another state and legally purchase a handgun from a gun shop or a private seller and take it back to your home state. You can legally purchase one from a gun shop, but it must be sent by the licensed selling dealer to a licensed gun dealer in hour home state where you must pass a background check before taking possession. In the case of legally buying a hand gun from a private seller, the seller must take the gun to a licensed gun shop in that state and it must then be sent to an FFL in buyer's home state where a background check must be completed before taking possession.

In the case of buying a rifle or shotgun in another state, it is legal under federal law. However, it must be legal under state law in the state where the long gun is purchased. It also must be legal in the purchaser's state for him/her to own that type of long gun. The selling FFL will check applicable laws and will know if the sale is legal to that person according to the buyer's state gun laws. The same is true for the private seller, the state laws must be complied with.

So, your statement that if a gun is prohibited in the buyer's home state he/she can go to another state and legally buy it is totally incorrect.

If you believe that only black powder muskets are allowed, then the 1st Amendment should only apply to primitive printing presses. Not to the internet, radio or television.

[terenceanne]

Don't blame the politicians all the time - it's the people who vote for them who are the real culprits.

[Number 10 GI]

I can see needing a semi-automatic for the "sport" of hunting. Make sure the animal has no chance.

Isn't that the purpose of hunting, making sure the animal has no chance? The vast majority of hunters eat what they kill, so if you used a less lethal gun to hunt with you won't eat.

[Number 10 GI]

Nobody so far had said anything about banning guns. Why bring it up?

Banning private ownership of all firearms is the goal of the gun control organizations, look it up. They know that trying to enact a total ban on all guns won't fly so one gun is targeted and demonized creating cries for it's banning. Ban that one and another will become the target. It's called incrementalism, a small bite here and another one there and pretty soon all guns are banned.

[Number 10 GI]

So, if the shooting numbers aren’t due to people with legal guns, what is your solution to the issue?

First off lets enforce existing laws. Under federal law convicted felons and not allowed to possess guns and the law proscribes mandatory prison time, This prison time is supposed to be served in addition to prison time for the primry crime. Too often this crime is plea bargained away.

No plea bargaining for lesser charges. No parole for criminals who use a gun in their crime, prosecute straw purchasers which hardly ever happens. We have so-called "Hate Laws", why don't we have extra special punishment for using a gun in a crime? Reinstate capital punishment for murderers and swift implementation of the punishment. The government used the RICO act to bring down organized crime, why isn't it being implemented against inner city gangs who are responsible for the majority of mass killings.
Sadly, it is easier to emotionally react and demand the ban of the tool instead of actually doing something meaningful against the transgressors.

[JMintzer]

What's the address of your cave?

Assault weapons, by definition, are capable of "select fire". In other words, "fully automatic"...

I'll ask again. When was the last time an assault weapon was used in a crime?

[JMintzer]

yes, murder rate is more important than murder count. Do you want to live in a neighborhood with 1 person is killed every year (that has a population of 10) or do you want to live in a neighborhood with 100 people killed every year that has a population of 10 million? You are much more likely to not murdered in the city with 10 million.

Once again, you use a false narrative...

What "neighborhood" has 10 Million people?

[JMintzer]

Please educate yourself on gun laws pertaining to legally purchasing them. You cannot travel to another state and legally purchase a handgun from a gun shop or a private seller and take it back to your home state. You can legally purchase one from a gun shop, but it must be sent by the licensed selling dealer to a licensed gun dealer in hour home state where you must pass a background check before taking possession. In the case of legally buying a hand gun from a private seller, the seller must take the gun to a licensed gun shop in that state and it must then be sent to an FFL in buyer's home state where a background check must be completed before taking possession.

In the case of buying a rifle or shotgun in another state, it is legal under federal law. However, it must be legal under state law in the state where the long gun is purchased. It also must be legal in the purchaser's state for him/her to own that type of long gun. The selling FFL will check applicable laws and will know if the sale is legal to that person according to the buyer's state gun laws. The same is true for the private seller, the state laws must be complied with.

So, your statement that if a gun is prohibited in the buyer's home state he/she can go to another state and legally buy it is totally incorrect.

If you believe that only black powder muskets are allowed, then the 1st Amendment should only apply to primitive printing presses. Not to the internet, radio or television.

Yes, Yes, Yes!!! Why this is such a foreign concept to so many people is maddening...

[MartinSE]

First off lets enforce existing laws. Under federal law convicted felons and not allowed to possess guns and the law proscribes mandatory prison time, This prison time is supposed to be served in addition to prison time for the primry crime. Too often this crime is plea bargained away.

No plea bargaining for lesser charges. No parole for criminals who use a gun in their crime, prosecute straw purchasers which hardly ever happens. We have so-called "Hate Laws", why don't we have extra special punishment for using a gun in a crime? Reinstate capital punishment for murderers and swift implementation of the punishment. The government used the RICO act to bring down organized crime, why isn't it being implemented against inner city gangs who are responsible for the majority of mass killings.
Sadly, it is easier to emotionally react and demand the ban of the tool instead of actually doing something meaningful against the transgressors.

I agree with most of what you say, except, I believe politicians don't want to solve the gun shootings problem (in general) it is too juicy every election cycle. And it helps keep the based ****ed off at the other side.

[JMintzer]

First off lets enforce existing laws. Under federal law convicted felons and not allowed to possess guns and the law proscribes mandatory prison time, This prison time is supposed to be served in addition to prison time for the primry crime. Too often this crime is plea bargained away.

No plea bargaining for lesser charges. No parole for criminals who use a gun in their crime, prosecute straw purchasers which hardly ever happens. We have so-called "Hate Laws", why don't we have extra special punishment for using a gun in a crime? Reinstate capital punishment for murderers and swift implementation of the punishment. The government used the RICO act to bring down organized crime, why isn't it being implemented against inner city gangs who are responsible for the majority of mass killings.
Sadly, it is easier to emotionally react and demand the ban of the tool instead of actually doing something meaningful against the transgressors.

:bigbow::bigbow::bigbow:

I've repeated this, ad nauseam, but it's continually ignored...

[spd2918]

How else would WE celebrate Independence Day, but murder each other.

WE didn't murder each other. Some nutjob did shoot people. Don't let the act of a crazy person determine my freedoms, thank you very much.