Will Covid restrict the best player in US Open?

[Tvflguy]

I watched some of Wimbledon the last week and the men’s winner was Novak Djokovic, a great player - perhaps the best ever.

But. He may very well be banned from playing at the upcoming US Open tournament. Solely because he does not want to be Covid vaccinated. Solely.

I find this to be outrageous. So year 2000 and 2021. If the US Open officials do maintain this stand, WTF?

Wimbeldon did ban Russian players, so be it to condemn Russia’s actions. But if Novak’s possible ban is held for him here what a stupid decision. IMO

[Keefelane66]

I could care less!

[Tvflguy]

I could care less!

Actually, grammatically, it’s I couldn’t care less. Thanks for letting us know that.

[ThirdOfFive]

I watched some of Wimbledon the last week and the men’s winner was Novak Djokovic, a great player - perhaps the best ever.

But. He may very well be banned from playing at the upcoming US Open tournament. Solely because he does not want to be Covid vaccinated. Solely.

I find this to be outrageous. So year 2000 and 2021. If the US Open officials do maintain this stand, WTF?

Wimbeldon did ban Russian players, so be it to condemn Russia’s actions. But if Novak’s possible ban is held for him here what a stupid decision. IMO
The problems in professional tennis are many and varied at this point, but mainly both the ATP and the WTA are victims of their own virtue-signaling--and when it comes to COVID, what better arena to demonstrate one's virtue. It isn't new, by the way: Novak Djokovic was banned from last year's US Open as well as well as this year's Australian Open, by the State of New York in the first case and by the government of Australia in the other. The ATP didn't lift a finger to help in either case; Djokovic had COVID and recovered nearly a year ago now, so you'd think that the ATP would have tried to do something to get the world's #1 player into those tournaments. But Djokovic has time and again been at odds with the ATP on issues, and as the world's #1 player he has tremendous influence--something the tight little world of professional tennis doesn't like at all.

The Australian debacle was particularly interesting because of political ramifications. Novak Djokovic had applied for an exemption to play in the Australian open, which was granted by the government, but that exemption was overruled at the last minute (while Djokovic's airplane was enroute to Australia, actually) and was taken into custody at the airport as soon as he landed. Speculation was that the overrule was facilitated by a disgruntled faction in the government. Novak Djokovic is pretty much the national hero of Serbia and has tremendous influence. He spoke out against a proposed copper mine in Serbia by Australian mining interests because of environmental concerns, which may have been the driving force behind the cancellation of his exemption. There were huge demonstrations in Serbia over this and the Serbian government got involved as well.

It promises to get messier. Because the Russians were banned from competing at Wimbledon, the ATP and WTA decided that the tournament would be exhibition only: the prize money was still there but there would be no points (the method by which professional tennis players achieve their rankings) awarded. At this point, should the ban on Djokovic participating in the U.S. Open continue, I wouldn't be surprised if that tournament was downgraded to "exhibition" as well.

[MartinSE]

Actually, grammatically, it’s I couldn’t care less. Thanks for letting us know that.

Maybe they actually meant they COULD care less, but aren't going to...

[tophcfa]

Covid will not restrict his ability to play, his refusal to get vaccinated will.

[MartinSE]

Maybe it is the player that is restricting their participation by not obeying the rules of the organization they want to play in. Just saying, I don't recall any law saying we have a right to play Tennis.

[retiredguy123]

I could care less!
I couldn't care less.

But, apparently, you could care less, unless you made a grammatical error, and meant to say that you also couldn't care less, like me.

[Chi-Town]

I watched some of Wimbledon the last week and the men’s winner was Novak Djokovic, a great player - perhaps the best ever.

But. He may very well be banned from playing at the upcoming US Open tournament. Solely because he does not want to be Covid vaccinated. Solely.

I find this to be outrageous. So year 2000 and 2021. If the US Open officials do maintain this stand, WTF?

Wimbeldon did ban Russian players, so be it to condemn Russia’s actions. But if Novak’s possible ban is held for him here what a stupid decision. IMO

Remember the 2022 Australian Open? A reference point.

[retiredguy123]

Covid will not restrict his ability to play, his refusal to get vaccinated will.
I agree. Suppose we spent billions of dollars developing a vaccine, and everyone refused to take it?

[Rainger99]

It isn't new, by the way: Novak Djokovic was banned from last year's US Open as well as well as this year's Australian Open, by the State of New York in the first case and by the government of Australia in the other.

Djokovic played in last year’s US Open. He lost in the finals.

[Mleeja]

I believe the city of New York required athletes to be vaccinated. However, this requirement was waived for baseball players. A few of the Yankees and Mets are not vaccinated. A waiver could be granted for Djokovic, but doubt it will be.

[Topspinmo]

I could care less!


Cared enough to post. :BigApplause:

[Topspinmo]

I agree. Suppose we spent billions of dollars developing a vaccine, and everyone refused to take it?

We? They just printed more money. Nobody paid for it yet.

[jswirs]

I watched some of Wimbledon the last week and the men’s winner was Novak Djokovic, a great player - perhaps the best ever.

But. He may very well be banned from playing at the upcoming US Open tournament. Solely because he does not want to be Covid vaccinated. Solely.

I find this to be outrageous. So year 2000 and 2021. If the US Open officials do maintain this stand, WTF?

Wimbeldon did ban Russian players, so be it to condemn Russia’s actions. But if Novak’s possible ban is held for him here what a stupid decision. IMO

Navak is not the only professional athlete that has refused the "temporary vaccination". Please recall what occurred with Aaron Rodgers as well.

[La lamy]

What I don't understand about these vaccination mandates is the fact that everyone can be a host for the virus, therefore able to spread it, vaccinated or not. So it seems preventing people from any activities because of vaccination status makes no sense for preventing spread of disease. I think preventing people who CHOOSE to not be vaccinated (not "unable to" for various reasons) from being treated for COVID in hospitals makes more sense.

[Bill14564]

What I don't understand about these vaccination mandates is the fact that everyone can be a host for the virus, therefore able to spread it, vaccinated or not. So it seems preventing people from any activities because of vaccination status makes no sense for preventing spread of disease. I think preventing people who CHOOSE to not be vaccinated (not "unable to" for various reasons) from being treated for COVID in hospitals makes more sense.

Initially it was to prevent spread of the disease and to minimize hospitalizations at a time when hospitals were overwhelmed. The vaccine still helps with both today but at a lesser extent than a year ago.

In my opinion, a lot of what is happening with vaccination mandates today are businesses deciding their employees are not going to just wait them out. It doesn't matter that the urgent need for everyone to be vaccinated has passed, they don't want to let the hold-outs win. I can understand that, they need to choose a precedent to set for next time - do their mandates have any teeth or can an individual just delay until the mandate is dropped?

[Captainpd]

I'll post so you can understand. If they shut down all sports, it would be fine with me. We have forgotten that it's a game and has no bearing on society. Over paid with little contribution to the world and its problems. It's time to take sports off the pedestal and quit worshipping it

[txfan]

You mean the #7 ranked player...:eclipsee_gold_cup:

Pos Player Points
1 D. Medvedev 7775
2 A. Zverev 6850
3 R. Nadal 6165
4 S. Tsitsipas 5150
5 C. Ruud 5050
6 C. Alcaraz 4845
7 N. Djokovic 4770
8 A. Rublev 3700
9 F. Auger-Aliassime 3445
10 J. Sinner 3185

[Bay Kid]

Control. A must for some, a free ride for others. No matter how many times you are poked you can still catch and spread it to others.

[ThirdOfFive]

What I don't understand about these vaccination mandates is the fact that everyone can be a host for the virus, therefore able to spread it, vaccinated or not. So it seems preventing people from any activities because of vaccination status makes no sense for preventing spread of disease. I think preventing people who CHOOSE to not be vaccinated (not "unable to" for various reasons) from being treated for COVID in hospitals makes more sense.
I agree. Of course it doesn't make any sense.

But just how much of this through-the-looking-glass world we have today DOES make sense?

[MartinSE]

What I don't understand about these vaccination mandates is the fact that everyone can be a host for the virus, therefore able to spread it, vaccinated or not. So it seems preventing people from any activities because of vaccination status makes no sense for preventing spread of disease. I think preventing people who CHOOSE to not be vaccinated (not "unable to" for various reasons) from being treated for COVID in hospitals makes more sense.

Nothing is 100%. Vaccines help reduce the spread. If everyone had gotten vaccinated last year, then we probably would be done with COVID, since combining that with people's immunity that got it would more than likely push us past herd immunity. But, a few people (I think the number was 12) on the internet started spreading nonsense theories about the vaccination and those theories went viral. So, we are stuck where we are - heading for Dark Ages v2.0

[MartinSE]

I'll post so you can understand. If they shut down all sports, it would be fine with me. We have forgotten that it's a game and has no bearing on society. Over paid with little contribution to the world and its problems. It's time to take sports off the pedestal and quit worshipping it

Sadly, too many are still into tribalism with a little idol worship thrown in, and sports is just another my village can kick your villages a$$.

I agree with you, btw.

[Petersweeney]

First of all is is not a vaccine second to refuse medical treatment to anyone is barbaric shame on you…

[Kgcetm]

Take the shot or don’t play. Seems reasonable unless you’re an anti vaxer in which case you don’t play.

[OhioBuckeye]

Novak can make his choice to get vaccinated but he’s basically a guest to play in the U.S. Open, it’s not mandatory that he a shoe in just because of his ranking. Just like when he did & he didn’t mean to smack a ball & hit a line judge. You could see he was very sadden that he did it & was disqualified from tournament. He knows the rules just like all the other players. I know because I played tennis for 50 yrs. & have a grandson that’s tennis pro here in Texas. I’ve seen disqualifications for less than not getting a Covid vaccination! But I do agree with Novak & the USPTA.

[wamley]

Why are we still denying natural immunity?

[MartinSE]

Why are we still denying natural immunity?

Who said anything about denying "natural immunity" (I assume you mean immunity conferred by having had COVID?) Rules are Rules as some people say here, and there is a rule, no jab no play.

It seems he really just doesn't think rules apply to him.

[OhioBuckeye]

It doesn’t make any difference if he is ranked #7 or #107 he knows the rules. Pro’s aren’t automatically in tournaments, they’re guest!

[Topspinmo]

Nothing is 100%. Vaccines help reduce the spread. If everyone had gotten vaccinated last year, then we probably would be done with COVID, since combining that with people's immunity that got it would more than likely push us past herd immunity. But, a few people (I think the number was 12) on the internet started spreading nonsense theories about the vaccination and those theories went viral. So, we are stuck where we are - heading for Dark Ages v2.0


Wrong. Most people with Covid had it before, the vaccine just reduces symptoms in most cases it don’t and will never prevent spread. If it did I never would of got it with 3 shots.

[Topspinmo]

It doesn’t make any difference if he is ranked #7 or #107 he knows the rules. Pro’s aren’t automatically in tournaments, they’re guest!

Top ten draw crowds in individual pro sports, it does make difference when fans are paying hundred dollars or more to see them. Nobody cares about player ranked 150 except for his circle. Don’t make any difference with team sports either. Nobody pays big bucks to see last place team play except fanatics.

[Geodyssey]

Nothing is 100%. Vaccines help reduce the spread.

No they don't.

Many people who have been vaccinated have regrets.

Almost no one who has refused to get the shot(s) has regrets.

[Davonu]

No they don’t.

Many people who have been vaccinated have regrets.

Almost no one who has refused to get the shot(s) has regrets.
And I’m sure you have all sorts of reliable data to back up those statements.

[Geodyssey]

And I’m sure you have all sorts of reliable data to back up those statements.


I do.

[MartinSE]

No they don't.

Many people who have been vaccinated have regrets.

Almost no one who has refused to get the shot(s) has regrets.

Seriously, hard to prove the part about people not regretting since many (most?) of them are dead, so it could be said they have no regrets about anything I guess.

Consider the charts attached for the Month of March this year -

Death Rate among those unvaccinated is 1.17 deaths per 100,000
Death Rate among those vaccinated is 0.2 deaths per 100,000
Death Rate among those boosted also is 0.1 deaths per 100,000

Vaccines DO work, Vaccines DO reduce the spread, Vaccines DO reduce the death rate. But, believe the veterinarians uncles cousins gardener if you want.

[Dr Winston O Boogie jr]

I watched some of Wimbledon the last week and the men’s winner was Novak Djokovic, a great player - perhaps the best ever.

But. He may very well be banned from playing at the upcoming US Open tournament. Solely because he does not want to be Covid vaccinated. Solely.

I find this to be outrageous. So year 2000 and 2021. If the US Open officials do maintain this stand, WTF?

Wimbeldon did ban Russian players, so be it to condemn Russia’s actions. But if Novak’s possible ban is held for him here what a stupid decision. IMO

I don't find this outrageous at all. He would be endangering the lives and health of all fo the other players and possibly the fans.

What I find outrageous is his refusal to get vaccinated.

[rsimpson]

I agree. Suppose we spent billions of dollars developing a vaccine, and everyone refused to take it?

A Vaccine that needs booster after booster ($$$$ money for Pharma) and that you still GET and TRANSMIT the virus. What a joke! The whole thing is/was a scam.

[Davonu]

I do.
Ahhhh. So that’s why you shared so much data with the rest of us. I see.

[Tvflguy]

I don't find this outrageous at all. He would be endangering the lives and health of all fo the other players and possibly the fans.

What I find outrageous is his refusal to get vaccinated.

OMG. It’s difficult for me to believe if your “endangering” comment is a joke or not. If it’s not …. Yikes.

[Dr Winston O Boogie jr]

OMG. It’s difficult for me to believe if your “endangering” comment is a joke or not. If it’s not …. Yikes.

Yikes??? Hundreds of millions of people around the world have been vaccinated with minimal adverse affects. I personally know at least 100 of them and I haven't heard of anyone who regrets it.

There is a small fringe group that you evidently belong to that doesn't believe in this life saving medication.

It saved my life and the lives of millions of others. It is because of this vaccine that we are almost at heard immunity for the original and Delta strains. New vaccines have been developed to deal with the newer variants and eventually. because of the vaccines, it will be totally eradicated.

Keep believing in conspiracy theories if you'd like but I believe that Oswald acted alone and al Queda operatives sent by Osama bin Laden destroyed The World Trade Center.

And please don't act like the vast majority of people are crazy when you are part of a radical fringe minority.

[MartinSE]

A Vaccine that needs booster after booster ($$$$ money for Pharma) and that you still GET and TRANSMIT the virus. What a joke! The whole thing is/was a scam.

We need booster after booster because so many refused to be vaccinated, which resulted in a plethora of hosts available for the virus to incubate and mutate in, resulting in variants that require updates/boosters.

[MartinSE]

Yikes??? Hundreds of millions of people around the world have been vaccinated with minimal adverse affects. I personally know at least 100 of them and I haven't heard of anyone who regrets it.

There is a small fringe group that you evidently belong to that doesn't believe in this life saving medication.

It saved my life and the lives of millions of others. It is because of this vaccine that we are almost at heard immunity for the original and Delta strains. New vaccines have been developed to deal with the newer variants and eventually. because of the vaccines, it will be totally eradicated.

Keep believing in conspiracy theories if you'd like but I believe that Oswald acted alone and al Queda operatives sent by Osama bin Laden destroyed The World Trade Center.

And please don't act like the vast majority of people are crazy when you are part of a radical fringe minority.

You left out the minor little tiny detail that it is BECAUSE so many refused to get vaccinated that we are in this seemingly endless series of boosters - variant after variant spawning thanks to a large population of virgin hosts to take up living and mutating in.

[Dr Winston O Boogie jr]

We need booster after booster because so many refused to be vaccinated, which resulted in a plethora of hosts available for the virus to incubate and mutate in, resulting in variants that require updates/boosters.

Most vaccines require a booster. I don’t know that in this case it’s the reason that boosters are required. Also, boosters have been developed to deal with new variants.
As has been pointed out the death rate among those vaccinated is much lower than that of the unvaccinated. The rate of hospitalization is much lower as well. Somewhere around 98% if all deaths attributed to this virus have been among unvaccinated people. 99% of hospitalizations have been among the unvaccinated.
I was one of the rare cases that was hospitalized after having both shots. I was also one of the very rare cases that had such severe symptoms including hypoxia that survived.

[MartinSE]

Most vaccines require a booster. I don’t know that in this case it’s the reason that boosters are required. Also, boosters have been developed to deal with new variants.
As has been pointed out the death rate among those vaccinated is much lower than that of the unvaccinated. The rate of hospitalization is much lower as well. Somewhere around 98% if all deaths attributed to this virus have been among unvaccinated people. 99% of hospitalizations have been among the unvaccinated.
I was one of the rare cases that was hospitalized after having both shots. I was also one of the very rare cases that had such severe symptoms including hypoxia that survived.

Glad to hear you did survive, sorry you had such a bad case.

And yes, 20 times more death rate for people unvaccinated compared to people with booster shots. I would say that is significant.

And one last, over 4 billion people world wide have been vaccinated. So, either that is a big enough test group of guinea pigs or we have some serious **** going on.

Sadly, for many, if the vaccine is not 100% effective in preventing the virus then it is useless. Meanwhile, the common good is not ever mentioned any more...

[Tvflguy]

Yikes??? Hundreds of millions of people around the world have been vaccinated with minimal adverse affects. I personally know at least 100 of them and I haven't heard of anyone who regrets it.

There is a small fringe group that you evidently belong to that doesn't believe in this life saving medication.

It saved my life and the lives of millions of others. It is because of this vaccine that we are almost at heard immunity for the original and Delta strains. New vaccines have been developed to deal with the newer variants and eventually. because of the vaccines, it will be totally eradicated.

Keep believing in conspiracy theories if you'd like but I believe that Oswald acted alone and al Queda operatives sent by Osama bin Laden destroyed The World Trade Center.

And please don't act like the vast majority of people are crazy when you are part of a radical fringe minority.

I just love how some, behind their Brainiac keyboards assume, yep good choice of word- about others. I have been vaxed twice and boosted twice. My choice. But I know others who choose not to, like Novak. Some of those like him have gotten Covid perhaps mildly and have antibodies. Some have valid reasons to not be vaxed. And of course there are huge numbers of completely vaxed that have gotten Covid more than once.

But some proponents simply must believe that all must be vaxed or they are a threat. Omg

Personally it makes no sense to continue the diatribes, both sides. I as the OP simply wanted to put out there, is it fair to deny Novak a shot at the US Open. Period. But some here simply must try to divide and conquer.

I for one feel the Covid is in control and hey- let’s try to get back to some normalcy.

Without nutty insinuations here. Let it be man. Yikes

[JMintzer]

Nothing is 100%. Vaccines help reduce the spread. If everyone had gotten vaccinated last year, then we probably would be done with COVID, since combining that with people's immunity that got it would more than likely push us past herd immunity. But, a few people (I think the number was 12) on the internet started spreading nonsense theories about the vaccination and those theories went viral. So, we are stuck where we are - heading for Dark Ages v2.0

Not a chance...

We are already past herd immunity and many of those who have been vaccinated and boosted are catching the virus a 2nd (and 3rd) time...

[JMintzer]

We need booster after booster because so many refused to be vaccinated, which resulted in a plethora of hosts available for the virus to incubate and mutate in, resulting in variants that require updates/boosters.

Please explain why all of the boosters are EXACTLY THE SAME vaccine you initially received...

There have been no "updates" to the vaccine...

[JMintzer]

Most vaccines require a booster. I don’t know that in this case it’s the reason that boosters are required. Also, boosters have been developed to deal with new variants.

Sorry, but no there haven't been changes to deal with the new variants.

The boosters are simply a smaller dose of the initial shot you received...

They are "talking" about releasing a "NEW" and "UPDATED" vaccine sometime in August... Or possibly later...

[maistocars]

I agree. Suppose we spent billions of dollars developing a vaccine, and everyone refused to take it?
It would be different if it actually worked.....just sayin.

[Dr Winston O Boogie jr]

Not a chance...

We are already past herd immunity and many of those who have been vaccinated and boosted are catching the virus a 2nd (and 3rd) time...

True but they are not being hospitalized and are not dying at the rate of unvaccinated people.

[Dr Winston O Boogie jr]

Sorry, but no there haven't been changes to deal with the new variants.

The boosters are simply a smaller dose of the initial shot you received...

They are "talking" about releasing a "NEW" and "UPDATED" vaccine sometime in August... Or possibly later...

Yes, that's what I meant. A new vaccine has been developed for the new variants and will be available in the fall.

[Tvflguy]

Back to the topic….

Just wondering if there are any other pro sports in the USA that bans athletes playing if they are not vaxed????

Really, I do not know.

[tophcfa]

Back to the topic….

Just wondering if there are any other pro sports in the USA that bans athletes playing if they are not vaxed????

Really, I do not know.

It’s by state. Kyrie Irving couldn’t play home games last year for the Nets because he wasn’t vaccinated. Several professional baseball and basketball players aren’t/ weren’t allowed to travel to games in Toronto (I know, it’s not the US) because of vacation status. It’s not just tennis, it’s all sports. The tennis US Open is played in NY, if it was played in most other states vaccination status wouldn’t matter.

[kenoc7]

Covid will not restrict his ability to play, his refusal to get vaccinated will.

Exactly as it should be; he is an arrogant jerk who endangers others and doesn't care.

[Tvflguy]

Exactly as it should be; he is an arrogant jerk who endangers others and doesn't care.

How exactly is he endangering others????

[MartinSE]

How exactly is he endangering others????

I assume you are just wanting to start an argument, so I for one will ignore your question. There are countless medical, educational, and government sites that explain why the unvaccinated pose a danger to those they encounter. Some can't be vaccinated and need to take special steps, but he can be vaccinate and choses not to. So, he poses a threat to everyone he comes into contact with. And, the more of "him" there are the greater threat the is to society.

Any chance the current inflation is a result of so many 2 years ago claiming "it's just a cold"?

What we are experiencing today is because some people spread lies about vaccinations - tracking nano-bots, experimental, dangerous, government plot to sterilize, on and on. And the sad thing is DHS tracked about 90% of the conspiracies to about a dozen people on social media that still spread the lies, endangering all of us while they get paid per click.

[Kenswing]

I assume you are just wanting to start an argument, so I for one will ignore your question. There are countless medical, educational, and government sites that explain why the unvaccinated pose a danger to those they encounter. Some can't be vaccinated and need to take special steps, but he can be vaccinate and choses not to. So, he poses a threat to everyone he comes into contact with. And, the more of "him" there are the greater threat the is to society.

Any chance the current inflation is a result of so many 2 years ago claiming "it's just a cold"?

What we are experiencing today is because some people spread lies about vaccinations - tracking nano-bots, experimental, dangerous, government plot to sterilize, on and on. And the sad thing is DHS tracked about 90% of the conspiracies to about a dozen people on social media that still spread the lies, endangering all of us while they get paid per click.
By quoting his post you have failed to ignore it. :1rotfl::1rotfl:

[Tvflguy]

I assume you are just wanting to start an argument, so I for one will ignore your question. There are countless medical, educational, and government sites that explain why the unvaccinated pose a danger to those they encounter. Some can't be vaccinated and need to take special steps, but he can be vaccinate and choses not to. So, he poses a threat to everyone he comes into contact with. And, the more of "him" there are the greater threat the is to society.

Any chance the current inflation is a result of so many 2 years ago claiming "it's just a cold"?

What we are experiencing today is because some people spread lies about vaccinations - tracking nano-bots, experimental, dangerous, government plot to sterilize, on and on. And the sad thing is DHS tracked about 90% of the conspiracies to about a dozen people on social media that still spread the lies, endangering all of us while they get paid per click.

Sorry bunch of yada. My bottom line- let’s say that you just arrived at JFK with a bunch of other intl travelers. You go to the restroom, standing next to an unvaxed guy at his urinal. Is he endangering you??? Danger??? Really?

As I have stated before, I have chosen to get vaxed and boosted twice. Please don’t put my commentary into the “argumentative” category. It was just a simple question. Period.

I don’t care for arguments simply conversation without accusations of lies.

[JMintzer]

True but they are not being hospitalized and are not dying at the rate of unvaccinated people.

Could it be due to their natural immunity?

[JMintzer]

Yes, that's what I meant. A new vaccine has been developed for the new variants and will be available in the fall.

"Possibly"...

I wouldn't count my chickens just yet...

[JMintzer]

By quoting his post you have failed to ignore it. :1rotfl::1rotfl:

AND starting yet another argument... :ohdear:

[MartinSE]

By quoting his post you have failed to ignore it. :1rotfl::1rotfl:

Very true, but I did not answer it, which BTW, according to the site rules we are not supposed to address individuals but the topic, so you just broke a sitter rule too (I promise not to tell).

[Topspinmo]

Please explain why all of the boosters are EXACTLY THE SAME vaccine you initially received...

There have been no "updates" to the vaccine...

I can explain it. About $100 billion in boosters and more to come… boosters and billions.

[Topspinmo]

I assume you are just wanting to start an argument, so I for one will ignore your question. There are countless medical, educational, and government sites that explain why the unvaccinated pose a danger to those they encounter. Some can't be vaccinated and need to take special steps, but he can be vaccinate and choses not to. So, he poses a threat to everyone he comes into contact with. And, the more of "him" there are the greater threat the is to society.

Any chance the current inflation is a result of so many 2 years ago claiming "it's just a cold"?

What we are experiencing today is because some people spread lies about vaccinations - tracking nano-bots, experimental, dangerous, government plot to sterilize, on and on. And the sad thing is DHS tracked about 90% of the conspiracies to about a dozen people on social media that still spread the lies, endangering all of us while they get paid per click.


Why this political statement allowed . I would get time out and point for something like this.

[Topspinmo]

"Possibly"...

I wouldn't count my chickens just yet...

Big pharmaceutical don’t count by chickens 🐔. They count by pallets of 100 dollar bills. Let’s see how many pallets of 100 dollar bill equal billion? now take that times 10 plus.

[Bay Kid]

Such a shame not to let a perfectly healthy person do his job while people stabbed with several vaccines still spread and catch covid. Control.