Definition of Dawn

[RPDaly]

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[John Mayes]

Yes- I could call the Village Recreation Dept. I can;t seem to find it in any published Village resource. When pools have a schedule that ends with "dawn" . What does that mean? Quantify it in this context (e.g. 15 minutes after sunset). I know the astronomical meaning and it is a time after sunset. Or is it up to the particular attendant on duty to define it?

You sure you didn’t mean to say “dusk”?

[schwarz]

You sure you didn’t mean to say “dusk”?

They close at dusk and you can Google that time daily. Sometimes a little earlier close if no one is at the pool.

[Bogie Shooter]

Yes- I could call the Village Recreation Dept. I can;t seem to find it in any published Village resource. When pools have a schedule that ends with "dawn" . What does that mean? Quantify it in this context (e.g. 15 minutes after sunset). I know the astronomical meaning and it is a time after sunset. Or is it up to the particular attendant on duty to define it?

Recreation Administration
984 Old Mill Run
The Villages, FL 32162

Phone: 352-674-1800
Fax: 352-674-1805


Good source of information: Village Community Development Districts (http://www.districtgov.org)

[retiredguy123]

Yes- I could call the Village Recreation Dept. I can;t seem to find it in any published Village resource. When pools have a schedule that ends with "dawn" . What does that mean? Quantify it in this context (e.g. 15 minutes after sunset). I know the astronomical meaning and it is a time after sunset. Or is it up to the particular attendant on duty to define it?
It's easy. Buy one of those "dusk to dawn" light bulbs. When the light comes on, it's dusk, and when it goes off, it's dawn.

[tophcfa]

Technically dusk is when the sun is 18 degrees below the horizon and it is almost completely dark (no sunlight remains in the sky). Dusk is also referred to as “last light” and in the Villages dusk is about 25 minutes after sunset. My experience with the various sports pools is that dusk is determined by the recreation department employee working that evening, who typically seems to be in a hurry to end his/her shift. I have gotten into it a couple times with workers who insisted it was closing time before sunset. When I asked for the name and phone number of their supervisor, they suddenly realized it wasn’t yet close to dusk.

[fishon]

Dawn Wells is the best definition of dawn.

[Vikingjunior]

It's a liquid dish detergent and works very well.

[vintageogauge]

Technically dusk is when the sun is 18 degrees below the horizon and it is almost completely dark (no sunlight remains in the sky). Dusk is also referred to as “last light” and in the Villages dusk is about 25 minutes after sunset. My experience with the various sports pools is that dusk is determined by the recreation department employee working that evening, who typically seems to be in a hurry to end his/her shift. I have gotten into it a couple times with workers who insisted it was closing time before sunset. When I asked for the name and phone number of their supervisor, they suddenly realized it wasn’t yet close to dusk.

If I was the employee I would have given you the supervisor's name and then told you to leave. If dusk is to be determined by the rec. department employee working that evening who are you to question him or her. These folks don't make enough money to put up complainers and there is always one in every pool.

[RPDaly]

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[RPDaly]

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[Tvflguy]

Dawn Wells is the best definition of dawn.

Yes, and also my daughter…

[JSR22]

Me paying about $170 for this amenity is my right to question someone who works for me.

They do not work for you. They are village employees.

[tophcfa]

They do not work for you. They are village employees.

Actually, they are recreation department employees. The recreation department is solely funded by amenity fees paid by Villages homeowners, so indirectly they are employees of amenity fee paying Villages residents. Like how all government workers are indirectly employees of taxpayers.

[JSR22]

Actually, they are recreation department employees. The recreation department is solely funded by amenity fees paid by Villages homeowners, so indirectly they are employees of amenity fee paying Villages residents. Like how all government workers are indirectly employees of taxpayers.

Yes, but they should be treated respectfully! We do not own the employees.

[Bogie Shooter]

Technically dusk is when the sun is 18 degrees below the horizon and it is almost completely dark (no sunlight remains in the sky). Dusk is also referred to as “last light” and in the Villages dusk is about 25 minutes after sunset. My experience with the various sports pools is that dusk is determined by the recreation department employee working that evening, who typically seems to be in a hurry to end his/her shift. I have gotten into it a couple times with workers who insisted it was closing time before sunset. When I asked for the name and phone number of their supervisor, they suddenly realized it wasn’t yet close to dusk.

This must be an exciting event, since you have done it more than once. Browbeating one of your neighbors who is working at a rec center for a few extra bucks, is not a macho thing. They should not have to put up with your kind, that think you are special.

[Bogie Shooter]

Me paying about $170 for this amenity is my right to question someone who works for me.

No.

[RPDaly]

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[vintageogauge]

I never have. I grumble to myself and leave and am always respectful as they always are to us from my experience. I just like when rules are set they are applied properly, equally and not subjectively

Asking someone for the name and phone number of their superior is not being respectful it is a threat.

[tophcfa]

Yes, but they should be treated respectfully! We do not own the employees.

Totally agree they should be treated respectfully, and would never do otherwise. That being said, they also have a responsibility to treat amenity fee paying residents respectfully. Telling a resident they are closing the pool over 40 minutes before the scheduled closing time, shortly after the resident arrived and begin their workout, because they want their shift to end earlier than they signed up for, is not treating the resident respectfully.

[tophcfa]

This must be an exciting event, since you have done it more than once. Browbeating one of your neighbors who is working at a rec center for a few extra bucks, is not a macho thing. They should not have to put up with your kind, that think you are special.

Done what more than once, gone to sports pool in the evening to get in a good workout, being sure to arrive early enough to have enough time before the scheduled closing? Done that well more than a thousand times and hope to do it several thousand more times. There is nothing macho, browbeating, or thinking one is special about expecting the pool to remain open until the scheduled closing time. If the pool needed to be closed for an unanticipated and unscheduled reason, such as an equipment failure, I would completely understand. Closing a pool because an employee wishes their shift would end sooner is not an acceptable reason. I am guessing that during our careers if we took off from work early on a regular basis because we didn’t feel like being there, our a$$es would have been fired very quickly. Swim on : )

[vintageogauge]

There could be any number of reasons that he wanted to close the pool and stating that he want's to end his shift early is only speculation.

[ex34449]

It's like someone opened up a box of Karen's. Friendliest hometown? Yeah right!

[Bogie Shooter]

Done what more than once, gone to sports pool in the evening to get in a good workout, being sure to arrive early enough to have enough time before the scheduled closing? Done that well more than a thousand times and hope to do it several thousand more times. There is nothing macho, browbeating, or thinking one is special about expecting the pool to remain open until the scheduled closing time. If the pool needed to be closed for an unanticipated and unscheduled reason, such as an equipment failure, I would completely understand. Closing a pool because an employee wishes their shift would end sooner is not an acceptable reason. I am guessing that during our careers if we took off from work early on a regular basis because we didn’t feel like being there, our a$$es would have been fired very quickly. Swim on : )
Yep, I was right.

[tophcfa]

There could be any number of reasons that he wanted to close the pool and stating that he want's to end his shift early is only speculation.

Ok, let’s go with that. Then why did the employee suddenly determine that it was not yet time to close the pool when asked for the name and number of their supervisor? If the employee explained that there was another reason that necessitated closing (could have even made one up), that would have been the end of it.

[vintageogauge]

Because they are told to respect the residents wishes when they can and not to have confrontations as that is immediate dismissal.

[Dr Winston O Boogie jr]

My question would be, "Why do they close at all?" It's not like they have lifeguards during the day. What's the difference if someone wants to go and take a dip at midnight?

[EdFNJ]

Yes, but they should be treated respectfully! We do not own the employees. Very true as should everyone BUT if there are written rules (in which the closing time seems to bespecifically defined) they should follow them or be reported or find a different job no matter who pays them especially if a "customer" is still there.

[EdFNJ]

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[EdFNJ]

Asking someone for the name and phone number of their superior is not being respectful it is a threat. You've never asked to talk to "the manager" when something happened at a store you shopped at or sent an email about a bad experience you had with an employee or a business? It's not a threat it is (if the issue is legit) wanting to talk to someone higher up. That's why they have managers. A "threat" would be saying "either give me your manager's name or I'll beat you to a pulp." If the employee sees it as a THREAT they are in the wrong job and shouldn't be dealing with the public.

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[tophcfa]

Yep, I was right.

Keep on believing that if it makes you happy. After all, life is way too short not to be happy, even if your belief is delusional and based on logic worthy of a quadruple bogie.

[Gmaf6]

According to Villages rule, dusk is 18 minutes after sunset….one thing to keep in mind is that many Recreation areas have more than one pool to close. In addition, there are Pickleball, sometimes tennis courts as well as the occasional dog park that need to be closed at dusk. Given the tasks as well as the fact that many times there’s only one Rec Assistant working, one can give these folks a break for managing the tasks quite well. Most of the folks working these jobs are long retired and do it for various reasons. Yes, our amenity fees help pay their salary….but it also pays for a lot more. If some aren’t happy with the way things are run, maybe they could take a job and do it better!

[Worldseries27]

yes- i could call the village recreation dept. I can't seem to find it in any published village resource. When pools have a schedule that ends with "dusk" . What does that mean? Quantify it in this context (e.g. 15 minutes after sunset). I know the astronomical meaning and it is a time after sunset. Or is it up to the particular attendant on duty to define it?
i'd just watch the instructional video

[retiredguy123]

Yes- I could call the Village Recreation Dept. I can't seem to find it in any published Village resource. When pools have a schedule that ends with "dusk" . What does that mean? Quantify it in this context (e.g. 15 minutes after sunset). I know the astronomical meaning and it is a time after sunset. Or is it up to the particular attendant on duty to define it?
According to the Villages "pool guidelines" published on the districtgov.org website, dusk is defined as follows.

"Pools and outdoor facilities close at dusk (30 minutes after sunset)."

[retiredguy123]

According to Villages rule, dusk is 18 minutes after sunset….one thing to keep in mind is that many Recreation areas have more than one pool to close. In addition, there are Pickleball, sometimes tennis courts as well as the occasional dog park that need to be closed at dusk. Given the tasks as well as the fact that many times there’s only one Rec Assistant working, one can give these folks a break for managing the tasks quite well. Most of the folks working these jobs are long retired and do it for various reasons. Yes, our amenity fees help pay their salary….but it also pays for a lot more. If some aren’t happy with the way things are run, maybe they could take a job and do it better!
Not correct. According to the Villages "pool guidelines" published on the districtgov.org website, dusk is defined as follows.

"Pools and outdoor facilities close at dusk (30 minutes after sunset)."

[retiredguy123]

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[bowlingal]

parking lot lights at the rec centers go on at dusk....look up for your information

[kwtoman]

You sure you didn’t mean to say “dusk”?

Dusk is defined as 30 minutes after sundown. The pool hours at all but Paradise are 7:30AM until Dusk.

[Juliebythesea]

We love to go to the pool late
there’s no one there it’s beautiful and we have met some very very kind people who were closing up the pool
we passed them going out many times they always just say you’re leaving just in time
At nearly 9PM😎

[Larchap49]

Asking someone for the name and phone number of their superior is not being respectful it is a threat.

I disagree. It is a response I use when an employee has exceeded their responsibility or have become rude or combative. It simply states you know there is a higher authority and you would like to speak to them. It can be done politely and respectfully. I also do it often when service has exceeded expectations.

[Dantes]

The pools are opened at dawn and closed at dusk check the weather channel for sunset , sunrise
Sometimes CW gets tied up in other situations that delay the opening or closings

[Dantes]

They don’t go home early because they closed a pool early. ?;:/-;

[jxm473]

It's easy. Buy one of those "dusk to dawn" light bulbs. When the light comes on, it's dusk, and when it goes off, it's dawn.

Just like when we were kids! You had to go home when the street lights came on!

[phousel]

My question would be, "Why do they close at all?" It's not like they have lifeguards during the day. What's the difference if someone wants to go and take a dip at midnight?
Now that is an interesting "take" on this thread!

[Vermilion Villager]

This must be an exciting event, since you have done it more than once. Browbeating one of your neighbors who is working at a rec center for a few extra bucks, is not a macho thing. They should not have to put up with your kind, that think you are special. X10!!!! Good reply!:BigApplause:

[Vermilion Villager]

This must be an exciting event, since you have done it more than once. Browbeating one of your neighbors who is working at a rec center for a few extra bucks, is not a macho thing. They should not have to put up with your kind, that think you are special.

Done what more than once, gone to sports pool in the evening to get in a good workout, being sure to arrive early enough to have enough time before the scheduled closing? Done that well more than a thousand times and hope to do it several thousand more times. There is nothing macho, browbeating, or thinking one is special about expecting the pool to remain open until the scheduled closing time. If the pool needed to be closed for an unanticipated and unscheduled reason, such as an equipment failure, I would completely understand. Closing a pool because an employee wishes their shift would end sooner is not an acceptable reason. I am guessing that during our careers if we took off from work early on a regular basis because we didn’t feel like being there, our a$$es would have been fired very quickly. Swim on : )Topchfa.....STOP DIGGING!!!!!:posting:

[Bertram00]

Definition of Dawn? Tony Orlando's backup singers!

[Bill14564]

This must be an exciting event, since you have done it more than once. Browbeating one of your neighbors who is working at a rec center for a few extra bucks, is not a macho thing. They should not have to put up with your kind, that think you are special.

Where did the events described even come close to browbeating?

Expecting to receive the service that is advertised is in no way thinking that one is special. On the other hand, refusing to provide the service as advertised is a problem that needs to be corrected.

[ElDiabloJoe]

Me paying about $170 for this amenity is my right to question someone who works for me.

Good Lawd, you're one of those. "I'm a tax-payer and I pay your salary!"

Let's break that down with, sayyyy, a police officer's salary. In Wildwood, the average annual 2022 salary was 38,321. I'm'a gonna go with an even 38K.

As of 2020, there were 7339 residents of Wildwood. Doing the basic division, you paid that guy or lady around $5 for the entire year of service you receive. If he works the standard full time 2,080 hours a year, you pay him two cents every 8-hour day he works, or a dime per 40-hour week.

It's far far less you "pay his salary" to the poor pool attendant.

If I were him, I'd toss you a couple nickels and tell you just keep them rather than deal with your attitude.

[Villagesgal]

We pay to use the pools open till dusk. If I were to go to a sports pool and the sun is still out, that's not dusk and I would swim and complain to his or her boss that the worker is trying to close the pool early. We pay for the right to swim till dusk. The worker has accepted a lower paying job, the pay level has nothing to do with them agreeing to do a job at the agreed upon wage. Their job is to close the pool at dusk, not while the sun is still shinning. Period.

[Crazyladycruz]

How about when the lamp posts go on? Just like when we were young and had to be home when the street lights went on…😆😆

[Keeferinspace]

Yes- I could call the Village Recreation Dept. I can't seem to find it in any published Village resource. When pools have a schedule that ends with "dusk" . What does that mean? Quantify it in this context (e.g. 15 minutes after sunset). I know the astronomical meaning and it is a time after sunset. Or is it up to the particular attendant on duty to define it?

Happy to see dusk as the closing time! I’ve been using “sunset”on my phone app as the target time for finishing my swim and STILL run into staff closing the pool down early. I’m apologetic when I remind them when the pool is suppose to close. I don’t want to keep them there longer than they have to but the pools are why I came to the Villages. I can’t always get to one during the day. Evenings are the best time for me. And as neighborhoods around our rec center continue to grow, finding a lane for lap swimming is getting harder at more traditional times. I sympathize with the staffer who gave me a dirty look recently just as she was locking the pool gate with still over 40 minutes to go before sunset (not even dusk) but it’s what I’m paying for. And even though I do, I shouldn’t have to feel guilty when I’m only asking them to honor the designated operating times. Keep in mind, many people using the lap pool do so for exercise. Not to get a tan. Not to be refreshed. If it’s cool and rainy (as long as there’s no lightening), lap swimmers can still enjoy their time in the water. I’m sure they would like the opportunity to exercise their amenity privileges at designated times just as golfers (or any others) do.

[Rodneysblue]

Dawn Wells is the best definition of dawn.

You got my vote.

[Rodneysblue]

Me paying about $170 for this amenity is my right to question someone who works for me.

Wow! I use to have “people “ say that to me when I worked for a school system. My reply was I pay taxes too, so I work for myself and I don’t agree with you.

[JSR22]

Wow! I use to have “people “ say that to me when I worked for a school system. My reply was I pay taxes too, so I work for myself and I don’t agree with you.

Great answer!

[Bilyclub]

Where is this Villages rule published ? There are 3 post saying the website says 30 minutes after sunset,.


According to Villages rule, dusk is 18 minutes after sunset….one thing to keep in mind is that many Recreation areas have more than one pool to close. In addition, there are Pickleball, sometimes tennis courts as well as the occasional dog park that need to be closed at dusk. Given the tasks as well as the fact that many times there’s only one Rec Assistant working, one can give these folks a break for managing the tasks quite well. Most of the folks working these jobs are long retired and do it for various reasons. Yes, our amenity fees help pay their salary….but it also pays for a lot more. If some aren’t happy with the way things are run, maybe they could take a job and do it better!

According to the Villages "pool guidelines" published on the districtgov.org website, dusk is defined as follows.

"Pools and outdoor facilities close at dusk (30 minutes after sunset)."

[valuemkt]

Keep complaining about those few minutes because you think you rule the world and the next thing you know the open times will be set at 9am to 4pm .. Sometimes its just better to STFU

[TrapX]

Maybe ask WHY do they have to close? What's the actual difference between being open at 6pm or at sunset? No lifeguard. No maintenance happens. Nada.
Many pools have lights in the pools and around the deck. Presumably to allow the pool to be used after dark.
I propose changing the rules to allow these pools to be open until midnight.
Would need to pay some extra hours for someone to check on the use. That cost is tribal compared to the $200million collected every month. From sunset to closing anyone at AND IN the pool will be required to show TV ID upon demand. Noise shall be at a minimum (no screaming kids, no shouting, etc).
Let's give that a try.

[Bogie Shooter]

Maybe ask WHY do they have to close? What's the actual difference between being open at 6pm or at sunset? No lifeguard. No maintenance happens. Nada.
Many pools have lights in the pools and around the deck. Presumably to allow the pool to be used after dark.
I propose changing the rules to allow these pools to be open until midnight.
Would need to pay some extra hours for someone to check on the use. That cost is tribal compared to the $200million collected every month. From sunset to closing anyone at AND IN the pool will be required to show TV ID upon demand. Noise shall be at a minimum (no screaming kids, no shouting, etc).
Let's give that a try.
Did you share this with the Rec dept? They make the rules….not TOTV posters.

[Bill14564]

Maybe ask WHY do they have to close? What's the actual difference between being open at 6pm or at sunset? No lifeguard. No maintenance happens. Nada.
Many pools have lights in the pools and around the deck. Presumably to allow the pool to be used after dark.
I propose changing the rules to allow these pools to be open until midnight.
Would need to pay some extra hours for someone to check on the use. That cost is tribal compared to the $200million collected every month. From sunset to closing anyone at AND IN the pool will be required to show TV ID upon demand. Noise shall be at a minimum (no screaming kids, no shouting, etc).
Let's give that a try.

Just a little high. More like $120M for the year ($10M/month). (according to VCCDD and SLCDD budget documents)

[TrapX]

Just a little high. More like $120M for the year ($10M/month). (according to VCCDD and SLCDD budget documents)

100,000 houses x $190/month x 12 months = $220,000,000 per year

or using old numbers... 100,000 houses x $173/month x 12 months = $207,000,000 per year

[Bill14564]

100,000 houses x $190/month x 12 months = $220,000,000 per year

or using old numbers... 100,000 houses x $173/month x 12 months = $207,000,000 per year

You should let the budget department know they are under counting by nearly 70%.

Not sure where your bad numbers come from. My amenity fee is less than $170 per month and last I heard there were only about 80,000 homes.

But all that aside, even your calculator work doesn't come close to "$200million collected every month."

[schwarz]

According to Villages rule, dusk is 18 minutes after sunset….one thing to keep in mind is that many Recreation areas have more than one pool to close. In addition, there are Pickleball, sometimes tennis courts as well as the occasional dog park that need to be closed at dusk. Given the tasks as well as the fact that many times there’s only one Rec Assistant working, one can give these folks a break for managing the tasks quite well. Most of the folks working these jobs are long retired and do it for various reasons. Yes, our amenity fees help pay their salary….but it also pays for a lot more. If some aren’t happy with the way things are run, maybe they could take a job and do it better!

As a rec assistant I appreciate what you wrote and you are quite correct. At LaHacienda we close tennis courts, pickleball courts, bring in three water containers, close the Memorial park and the pool, along with locking up all the floats. Most nights in a regional center of that size we have two folks working but remember too, there are often two or three events going on in the building plus a billiards room. Lots to do and like many Recreation centers we are short of staff.