Moffitt Cancer Center

[cynkr67]

Just curious about today's fullpage "ad" in the paper this morning regarding the Robert Boissoneault Oncology Institute and the new cancer center. Being new to the Villages we were very impressed that Moffitt was going to be locally available, but after reading the ad I'm wondering if this is unnecessary duplication of services. Anyone out there have info on RBO or the difference in services between the two medical choices??:undecided:

[Mudder]

After reading that "ad" I too wondered what is going on. It did seem as though there will be a duplication of services. Having lived in Tampa for 15 years we are very familiar with Moffitt and were happy to see it was branching out to The Villages, but now I am wondering if it is really necessary. Having not had any experience with Cancer I too would like to hear opinons of those who have dealt with this issue.

[Regor]

Mighty strange how one treatment center can outfit their center without any donations and another larger center is asking for donations! Maybe the "family" has found another way to milk the cow?

[bigalibaba]

I had the good fortune to have Radiation Treatment for Prostate Cancer at
Robert Boissoneault Oncology Institute. They are highly professional, caring and best of all, got rid of all the Cancer cells. :BigApplause:

[Ajack]

Mighty strange how one treatment center can outfit their center without any donations and another larger center is asking for donations! Maybe the "family" has found another way to milk the cow?

It is another beautiful day in The Villages. Am I waking up to yet another Morse bashing? It is getting old, indeed. Oh, I see this is yesterday's bashing. Sorry.

[actor]

It is another beautiful day in The Villages. Am I waking up to yet another Morse bashing? It is getting old, indeed. Oh, I see this is yesterday's bashing. Sorry.

psychoanalyst, you sure are defensive.

[graciegirl]

I fortunately haven't had the need for radiation here in TV. I don't know how they do it here but up north you usually go to an oncologist who is your primary person guiding you through treatment. He/she has a radiation center and/or a radiologist who he likes and trusts and sends you there. It just isn't getting under the machine and taking the rays. PRECISE measurements have to be taken and they are marked on your body and the position of your body is changed during the process.The radiation was given five or six days a week for a total of 30 days The burn that eventually happens has to be addressed for pain and for treatment. It isn't simple.

When I read this my first thought is that the people who own the Boissenault business feel threatened by the Moffitt center. My second thought was that I have never seen this kind of advertising (?) by a medical facility.I am just guessing that Boissonault is a radiation treatment facilty only. (I don't know) Please correct me if I am wrong. Both the Moffitt and this Boissenault are accredited. The Boissenaullt has five locations, Ocala, here...and three other places. The Moffitt center is more than a radiation facility. It has the expertise of several oncologists I would guess, since it is pretty big facility in Tampa. Years ago my stepmother went there for her cancer.

The oncology associates who treated my cancer in Cincinnati had ...maybe 40 oncologists on staff. I still considered Sloan Kettering or Mayo...just because it was MY cancer. You are pretty scared at the time of diagnosis.

If I had a choice here...right now..I would go to Tampa to Moffitt or to Shands up in Gainesville because they are large teaching hospitals. Just simply because I don't know anyone who has been treated here, or anything much about what is available, not because I don't think they have good doctors and treatment here in TV.

I don't know why they want to use their own radiologists and equipment...

Maybe it is because the Morses want to show their power. I thought I would say it before someone else does. Or maybe because a satillite of the Moffitt wants to have all of the treatments under one roof.........I don't know. I am not a doctor. Just a grateful patient.

[Number 6]

Mighty strange how one treatment center can outfit their center without any donations and another larger center is asking for donations! Maybe the "family" has found another way to milk the cow?


The question that you should be asking is, "How are they funding the equipment for the Leesburg's Moffit Center?" Not bashing anyone, but asking a question.

[mmfan]

After reading that "ad" I too wondered what is going on. It did seem as though there will be a duplication of services. Having lived in Tampa for 15 years we are very familiar with Moffitt and were happy to see it was branching out to The Villages, but now I am wondering if it is really necessary. Having not had any experience with Cancer I too would like to hear opinons of those who have dealt with this issue.

According to their website they have been in business over 20 years, 13 years in The Villages. All of their doctors are board certified and affiliates of the Moffitt and they seem to have state of the art equipment. I am definitely planning on attending their open house, I want to see for myself who they are and what they have to offer because if they are legit, as it seems they are, the donation request is unreasonable.

[Number 6]

And I might add that Radiation Therapy is still a very profitible venture. No wonder that there is a lot of competition in this market.

[JenAjd]

I'm from the midwest where Mayo is THE place to go. There...Mayo has satelitte clinics and hospitals in other communities. I think they are just making it easier (Moffitt) for people who have cancer. Our community (let's face it) is one of people who are having all sorts of medical issues---cancer being one---and "they" making it better to be treated for whatever we might have. I'm grateful for the convenience. While I'm at it...I wouldn't 2nd guess another facility being around. We don't wnd guess when a new doctor comes to town or a new dentist. It just makes the selection a better mix. IF one doesn't like it here---we have the options to travel.

[Russ_Boston]

Again, let's remember, the word is 'donation'. If you have any issues with them then please do not donate. If you feel that you'd like to contribute then please do so. If you are a citizen of TV then none of your $ is being used to furnish.

Either way they won't turn you down if you ever need them as a patient. And if there is too much competition they go out of business. Adam Smith at work again.

[ewstanley]

I don't know about the State of Florida but in Michigan radiation equipment is very tightly controlled. In Michigan there has to be a proposal with a certificate of need for the radiation facility. The thought is that it would benefit the patient to have facilities that are conveniently located. Some radiation treatments last 23 sessions. Perhaps it is to help those who don't wish to travel to Tampa.

[LuvItHere]

I read the RBOI.com website, Moffitt COMPREHENSIVE Cancer Center's website, and also the National Cancer Institute's website because NCI does the "Comprehensive" cancer center accreditation and designation.

R. Boussaneault is a RADIATION oncology provider and from reading their site, radiation therapy is all they do.

Moffitt is one of 40 Comprehensive cancer centers in the United States, and the only one if Florida. See:

http://cancercenters.cancer.gov/cancer_centers/cancer-centers-list.html

Moffitt and the other comprehensive cancer centers provide an interdisciplinary approach to patient care and treatment.

"Patients at Moffitt Cancer Center are evaluated and treated through clinical programs. Most oncology programs focus on specific organ or disease types and are made up of an interdisciplinary team of specialists.

Teams may include surgeons, medical oncologists or hematologists, pathologists, radiologists and radiation oncologists. This provides every patient an approach of comprehensive and coordinated care......"
http://www.moffitt.org/site.aspx?spid=05A4E0FA8E0F4CA5A2B4348D7D7B70D7&ForwardFrom=C51105B75AFD4E55B24302D83694EBC0

Having the same calibre of oncology radiation equipment does not put a local, private radiation oncologist practice in the same league as an NCI-designated, not-for-profit Comprehensive Cancer Center like Moffitt.

[graciegirl]

I read the RBOI.com website, Moffitt COMPREHENSIVE Cancer Center's website, and also the National Cancer Institute's website because NCI does the "Comprehensive" cancer center accreditation and designation.

R. Boussaneault is a RADIATION oncology provider and from reading their site, radiation therapy is all they do.

Moffitt is one of 40 Comprehensive cancer centers in the United States, and the only one if Florida. See:

http://cancercenters.cancer.gov/cancer_centers/cancer-centers-list.html

Moffitt and the other comprehensive cancer centers provide an interdisciplinary approach to patient care and treatment.

"Patients at Moffitt Cancer Center are evaluated and treated through clinical programs. Most oncology programs focus on specific organ or disease types and are made up of an interdisciplinary team of specialists.

Teams may include surgeons, medical oncologists or hematologists, pathologists, radiologists and radiation oncologists. This provides every patient an approach of comprehensive and coordinated care......"
http://www.moffitt.org/site.aspx?spid=05A4E0FA8E0F4CA5A2B4348D7D7B70D7&ForwardFrom=C51105B75AFD4E55B24302D83694EBC0

Having the same calibre of oncology radiation equipment does not put a local, private radiation oncologist practice in the same league as an NCI-designated, not-for-profit Comprehensive Cancer Center like Moffitt.

Well researched!! Thank you for this explanation. That is what I thought, but you explained is so well.

[mmfan]

I read the RBOI.com website, Moffitt COMPREHENSIVE Cancer Center's website, and also the National Cancer Institute's website because NCI does the "Comprehensive" cancer center accreditation and designation.

R. Boussaneault is a RADIATION oncology provider and from reading their site, radiation therapy is all they do.

Moffitt is one of 40 Comprehensive cancer centers in the United States, and the only one if Florida. See:

http://cancercenters.cancer.gov/cancer_centers/cancer-centers-list.html

Moffitt and the other comprehensive cancer centers provide an interdisciplinary approach to patient care and treatment.

"Patients at Moffitt Cancer Center are evaluated and treated through clinical programs. Most oncology programs focus on specific organ or disease types and are made up of an interdisciplinary team of specialists.

Teams may include surgeons, medical oncologists or hematologists, pathologists, radiologists and radiation oncologists. This provides every patient an approach of comprehensive and coordinated care......"
http://www.moffitt.org/site.aspx?spid=05A4E0FA8E0F4CA5A2B4348D7D7B70D7&ForwardFrom=C51105B75AFD4E55B24302D83694EBC0

Having the same calibre of oncology radiation equipment does not put a local, private radiation oncologist practice in the same league as an NCI-designated, not-for-profit Comprehensive Cancer Center like Moffitt.

OK, I went back and looked at the Robert Boissoneault Oncology Institute ad and website and also at the Villages Daily Sun from October 28th groundbreaking article. This Boissoneault group is accredited by the American College of Radiology, they don't seem to claim to be an NCI comprehensive center.

What is interesting if you read the Oct 28 Daily sun article is that quote "The medical doctor that provides radiation therapy, the physicist and dosimetrist will all be Moffitt employees. And then we'll have all the local private medical oncologists also in our center algonside their Moffitt counterparts in radiation". So what is interesting is that Moffitt is only bringing one radiation doctor as the Boissoneault ad said. The key word is that they will keep all the "local" medical oncologists.

Something is fishy here, either this Boissoneault guys are lying (and somehow managed to be in the Villages for 13 years, let's face it, how many of us have been in the Villages that long?) or someone is trying to bring only one doctor and have the community believe is the entire Moffitt center coming our way and on top of everything the community is being asked to pay for the same equipment that is already here. More information is needed, the truth is out there somewhere.

[villages07]

Thanks for the research, LuvIt. As with most things, there are two sides to every story and the truth probably lies somewhere in the middle. I'm sure the Boissaneault facility is a quality operation. I am assuming that someone (Moffitt or TVRH) has done the demographic research to justify the demand and need for a new facility here. RBO probably cannot meet the total demand.

The paper mentioned yesterday that a storefront in Lake Sumter Landing will be open on Monday dedicated to the Moffitt center fundraising effort. A good opportunity to stop in and get your quesions answered.

[Mikitv]

The only problem I have about asking for donations for the equipment is that Moffitt and Villages Health System will be billing everyones insurance and getting copays for all of that equipment. Are we going to get a discount on the price if we have treatment there?

[Number 6]

The only problem I have about asking for donations for the equipment is that Moffitt and Villages Health System will be billing everyones insurance and getting copays for all of that equipment. Are we going to get a discount on the price if we have treatment there?


You are catching on. Are the residents of Leesburg being asked to donate the equipment for their center, or is it coming from CFHA? My guess is that this is the price that we have to pay to get a center in TV. I seriously doubt the financial feasibility study supports two centers without this donation.

[graciegirl]

You are catching on. Are the residents of Leesburg being asked to donate the equipment for their center, or is it coming from CFHA? My guess is that this is the price that we have to pay to get a center in TV. I seriously doubt the financial feasibility study supports two centers without this donation.

I don't mind that other people would benefit.

As Russ says, you can choose to donate or not. It will be there for you anyway.

[downeaster]

I had the good fortune to have Radiation Treatment for Prostate Cancer at
Robert Boissoneault Oncology Institute. They are highly professional, caring and best of all, got rid of all the Cancer cells. :BigApplause:

Ditto. I am very satisfied with the treatment I received at RBOI. Can't say for sure all of my cancer cells are gone, but my PSA, 0.04, keeps me smiling.

[cynkr67]

Thanks for the explanation on the difference between the two centers. It does sound as if we can support both centers with Moffitt being more varied in what it offers. Anything we can do to fight cancer is good with me!!

[whartonjelly]

How close is it to the Villages. Do they need Nurses. As for teaching hospitals , I would not get sick in July if I were you. That is when all the newbes start.This is not opinion. This was told to me by other Nurses at a teaching hospital. They also taught me how to protect myself from the newbes coming back to their charts and charting an order at 8 am when they actuallly wrote the order at 2 pm. Then trying to blame Nurses for missing it.

I would rather work with a team that all know each other and trust each other when taking care of patients. There are great doctors everywhere!

[same]

The only problem I have about asking for donations for the equipment is that Moffitt and Villages Health System will be billing everyones insurance and getting copays for all of that equipment. Are we going to get a discount on the price if we have treatment there?

DISCOUNT !!!!! How about if you have a better chance of being cured?

[LuvItHere]

Thanks for the explanation on the difference between the two centers. It does sound as if we can support both centers with Moffitt being more varied in what it offers. Anything we can do to fight cancer is good with me!!

Cancer diagnosis and treatment needs to be a multi-specialty, cohesive approach, in which each step of the process and its timing is a coordinated effort.

Usually, some of the specialties involved are
- the primary doctor or specialist who orders initial diagnostics
- radiologists doing diagnostic imaging, needle biopsies, etc.,
- pathologists,
- surgeons,
- medical oncologist/hematologist (providing chemotherapy & other IV/systemic therapies), and
- radiation oncologists like R. Boussaneault.

Not only is Moffitt "more varied in what it offers", but coordination and timing of the various treatments can be managed from beginning to end over a period of weeks, months or years with the same dr. or team at the helm.

I don't doubt that RBOI does a good job in the radiation therapy portion of treatment IF radiation is deemed needed and appropriate by the dr./team in charge of one's overall treatment plan.

But, I hope newly diagnosed cancer patients get a consult with a medical oncologist/hematologist or oncology surgeon first, or a multi-specialty team at a Comprehensive Cancer Center like Moffitt.

Otherwise, the ball can easily be dropped in finding a dr. in each of the various specialties involved and then in trying to get a timely appointment for consult and then treatment with each of them.

When all h*ll breaks loose upon diagnosis, you're totally overwhelmed, and the only word you can hear is "cancer, cancer, cancer" while scientific information is flooding at you from all sides, it is essential to have a medical oncologist/hematologist or team at the helm, coordinating and overseeing each step of the treatment plan they design, implement, or possibly change course in.

From reading that newspaper ad, I fear unknowing patients might focus on only one portion of treatment possiblyneeded (radiation therapy), without enough focus on the overall, multi-specialist picture and care.

[SALYBOW]

I had lunch yesterday with a women who was treated at the center other than Mofit. She said she was very well treated and got the radiation which her doctor ordered. She spoke highly of the center. I was not aware we already had another treatment center with exactly the same kind of equiptment. The whole situation seems quite odd.

[LuvItHere]

I had lunch yesterday with a women who was treated at the center other than Mofit. She said she was very well treated and got the radiation which her doctor ordered. She spoke highly of the center. I was not aware we already had another treatment center with exactly the same kind of equiptment. The whole situation seems quite odd.

It's not odd at all for a cluster of cities to have more than one physician-owned, for-profit private practice clinic having the same high-tech equipment as the major hospitals in town.

It's no different than a city having multiple physician-owned eye surgery centers equipped to do laser or other high-tech eye surgeries, while the non-profit hospitals in town offer the same services and technology.

They compete, and in a free-enterprise system, competition causes providers to constantly improve their skills and technology to attract more patients.

Many people decry physician-owned, for-profit hospitals and clinics like the one in the ad, because of where the profits go (into investors' personal income). Non-profit centers like Moffitt reinvest "profits" back into the clinical services/facilities offered.

In this case, the physician-owned, for-profit radiation clinic dislikes its new competition and took out the full-page ad again today to portray it as "needless". But I don't think PATIENTS consider it needless to have more than one choice of hospital or treatment centers, instead of a monopoly.

To the contrary, I think a lot of people prefer to use non-profit hospitals and clinics that are funded by community foundations that are held accountable to their donors-patients.

If a physician-owned clinic/hospital has no competition, they can do lots of things a monopoly can, like up-selling more than is necessary; raise prices as much as their self-pay patients are willing to bear; or they can decide to put profits into investors' own pockets instead of investing in upgrading their skills, equipment and facilities as a non-profit hospital is required to do.

I'm not saying that this particular radiation clinic ("institute") is not good nor that it rips people off. I'm just saying that a monopoly makes that more possible.

[Russ_Boston]

Well stated LuvItHere!

I don't understand the confusion this topic seems to bring on. Nobody seems to question why the Hospital (TVRH) has over 700 volunteers. It is expected that not for profit centers (especially medical ones) need the help of the community to prosper. Since none of your money is going to this venture unless you donate then why all the concern? If it was announced that the Cleveland Clinic was opening a satellite hospital in TV and needed volunteers and benefactors, there would be nothing but praise for how our community was moving up in the world of health care. Why should a well respected cancer center be any different?

I still think the distrust that seems to be shown on this forum for Moffitt is a general mistrust of the Morse family. To me the Moffitt center addition is no more a part of Morse Inc. than was Wal-Mart (when we already had a Target) or Bonefish (when we already had Red Lobster) etc. Companies of all types realize the great potential in our huge older adult population. If you have a service you bring it to where the consumers are!

[LuvItHere]

Well stated LuvItHere!

I don't understand the confusion this topic seems to bring on. Nobody seems to question why the Hospital (TVRH) has over 700 volunteers. It is expected that not for profit centers (especially medical ones) need the help of the community to prosper. Since none of your money is going to this venture unless you donate then why all the concern? If it was announced that the Cleveland Clinic was opening a satellite hospital in TV and need volunteers and benefactors, there would be nothing but praise for how our community was moving up in the world of health care. . . .

Mentioning Cleveland Clinic as an example is a good one here, on the topic of Moffitt coming here. Heads of state from around the world choose Cleveland Clinic for their cancer and other diagnostics and treatments. . .

. . . But yet, Cleveland Clinic is not among of the 40 "Comprehensive Cancer Centers" designated and accredited by the National Cancer Institute, as Moffitt IS!!!

This speaks volumes as to what a high, above-high level of services/facilities Moffitt offers, and we will have access to it right here in The Villages . . . where we can go on a golf cart in a safe, clean city and not in the depths of urban, dirty, crime-ridden, traffic-bound Cleveland or other such place!!

[Russ_Boston]

I only referred to Cleveland Clinic since it was ranked in the top 5 overall health care facilities (and #1 in heart health) in the US. http://health.usnews.com/best-hospitals/rankings

But your point is well taken.

[graciegirl]

Yep. That Russ Boston knows. The number 1 heart hospital in the United States is in Cleveland, Ohio.

Ohio. Yep.

And the urban shabbyness that happens around such a huge, successful, sought after, highly used, facility happens a lot to other like facilities across the country.

Hope it doesn't happen here.

But...it is well worth that chance.

[nkrifats]

Well stated LuvItHere!

I don't understand the confusion this topic seems to bring on. Nobody seems to question why the Hospital (TVRH) has over 700 volunteers. It is expected that not for profit centers (especially medical ones) need the help of the community to prosper. Since none of your money is going to this venture unless you donate then why all the concern? If it was announced that the Cleveland Clinic was opening a satellite hospital in TV and needed volunteers and benefactors, there would be nothing but praise for how our community was moving up in the world of health care. Why should a well respected cancer center be any different?

I still think the distrust that seems to be shown on this forum for Moffitt is a general mistrust of the Morse family. To me the Moffitt center addition is no more a part of Morse Inc. than was Wal-Mart (when we already had a Target) or Bonefish (when we already had Red Lobster) etc. Companies of all types realize the great potential in our huge older adult population. If you have a service you bring it to where the consumers are!

Well said Russ. I see the bottom line here as having choices and the fact that I don't have to drive a good distance for treatment if my cancer ever surfaces again. It is all about choice.

[Cliff]

I know I will be accused of "Morse bashing" for saying this, but, nobody seems go have mentioned it yet. If you have been here as long as I have, you probably remember when the building of the Villages Hospital was proposed. Morse said we need it and that Villagers should pay to have it built. Otherwise, it would never be built. Many of us said "What The Hey??????" Meetings were held, Morse and many medical dignitaries came to backup the idea of we, the residents, paying for the hospital. There was a lot of arguments against the suggestion, and, eventually, and magically, money appeared and the hospital was built. Here we go again......

[Russ_Boston]

I know I will be accused of "Morse bashing" for saying this, but, nobody seems go have mentioned it yet. If you have been here as long as I have, you probably remember when the building of the Villages Hospital was proposed. Morse said we need it and that Villagers should pay to have it built. Otherwise, it would never be built. Many of us said "What The Hey??????" Meetings were held, Morse and many medical dignitaries came to backup the idea of we, the residents, paying for the hospital. There was a lot of arguments against the suggestion, and, eventually, and magically, money appeared and the hospital was built. Here we go again......

See your point Cliff but this time it is by donation only. And anyone can give, not just the residents of TV. To my knowledge ALL non for profit hospitals and health centers take donations and volunteerism to make them work. Look up and down the corridors of almost any hospital in Boston (I have seen most of them) and you will see their wall of fame with all of the benefactors listed. Usually entire wings are built with donations from wealthy contributors.

If we were being taxed in some way to make this happen then I can see everyone's point. But we are not. I think it is that simple. Am I wrong? Somebody please argue that point.

[whartonjelly]

It seems to me that the right to choose your own healthcare is the most important thing mentioned.

[BigLew]

Many people decry physician-owned, for-profit hospitals and clinics like the one in the ad, because of where the profits go (into investors' personal income). Non-profit centers like Moffitt reinvest "profits" back into the clinical services/facilities offered.
.

the profits plowed back in are usually post-salary and BONUS both of which can be any number ($) the corp's board allows, the 'plow back' is not necessarily a big number after these and other staff expenses.....just saying there is not any implied morality or lack thereof in either scenario. I just think it a little 'cheesy' (no offense Wisc. fans) to ask for donations to equip the Moffitt Center when you are truly donating to the Villages Health system which will own the equipment NOT Moffitt, if they vacate they leave without the equipment....just say it the way it is. It smelled of deception, it actually should be seen as a benefit...the Villages will still have a cancer treatment center that could be marketed to another large group. Come on, enough of you out there saw this kind of maneuver out in the business world. I think there is one question on the center website that says the equipment will remain with the Villages because it will BELONG to the Villages Health....:shocked:

[Carla B]

The fact that Moffitt is the only designated comprehensive cancer center in Florida shouldn't diminish the fact that there are other excellent cancer treatment facilities in the state. For instance, a check of the M.D. Anderson Cancer Center, Orlando lists over 50 physicians on staff across many cancer specialties.

M.D. Anderson Houston is ranked the #1 cancer hospital for 2010-2011 by U.S. News & World Report. The Orlando facility is linked by telemedicine to Houston for complex cases. I imagine that telemedicine will also play a big part in Moffitt's operation in TV and Leesburg.

[skip0358]

How often do you go to the mail box and get a bunch of junk mail asking for donations? What do you do with most,it goes in the circular file. If you don't want to DONATE DON'T., But on the other side don't beat the crap out of someone asking for a top notch cancer center in your back yard. If you feel it's worth while Thank You For Your Support. If not take this as another request and throw it in the trash. Butr emember if you need the facility someone else helped you out. I think that's what TV is al aboiut. JMHO.

[Reelimpatient]

"LuvItHere; Having the same calibre of oncology radiation equipment does not put a local, private radiation oncologist practice in the same league as an NCI-designated, not-for-profit Comprehensive Cancer Center like Moffitt"

Don't believe this crap! being in the same league as you call it, has nothing to do with the experience, level of care and the ethical quality care of patients. Don't be mislead by the term "not for profit" its an elaborate term for "we use to funds however we want and then don't show a profit at the end of the year"

A lot of us here in the villages are retired CEO's CFO's etc, don't try to pull that over on us cause "we ain't buying it ! " :blahblahblah:

[Russ_Boston]

"LuvItHere; Having the same calibre of oncology radiation equipment does not put a local, private radiation oncologist practice in the same league as an NCI-designated, not-for-profit Comprehensive Cancer Center like Moffitt"

Don't believe this crap! being in the same league as you call it, has nothing to do with the experience, level of care and the ethical quality care of patients. Don't be mislead by the term "not for profit" its an elaborate term for "we use to funds however we want and then don't show a profit at the end of the year"

A lot of us here in the villages are retired CEO's CFO's etc, don't try to pull that over on us cause "we ain't buying it ! " :blahblahblah:

Please just answer: 'why do you care'? None of your money is going towards this. Did you try to stop WalMart when they built?

I just don't get it. What is the probelm in your eyes, Mr. CEO/CFO? I like to be educated. Teach us please.

[graciegirl]

Please just answer: 'why do you care'? None of your money is going towards this. Did you try to stop WalMart when they built?

I just don't get it. What is the probelm in your eyes, Mr. CEO/CFO? I like to be educated. Teach us please.

Russ. Remember your manners!;) You forgot to welcome him.

This is your first post Reelimpatient. Hope you enjoy this forum and find something that you like here.

[jbmatis]

I have had radiation treatment for breast cancer at the Robert Boissoneault Oncology Institute. My experience was wonderful and I would highly recommend them. The staff and doctors are extremely caring and competent.

[Russ_Boston]

Russ. Remember your manners!;) You forgot to welcome him.

This is your first post Reelimpatient. Hope you enjoy this forum and find something that you like here.


Yes thank you for the reminder Gracie!

Welcome. Please post more.

But for the love of god let's deal with the subject matter and not about who's making money from a cancer center that will (hopefully) be a new jewel in an ever expanding health center here in TV.


Listen, everyone on this board knows that my concern is about quality content on TOTV. I'll listen to any side of the argument and many, many times I've said 'Oh, my bad!'.

But this cancer center debate (I think this is the third separate thread on the subject) just completely baffles me. Again I ask anyone who is against any piece of this plan to please explain the downside? I've listened to everyone and I don't see where a downside could come from. I've been a little rude lately in my posts on the subject but from someone like me who works in the health field, I just don't get it.

[mmfan]

Yes thank you for the reminder Gracie!

Welcome. Please post more.

But for the love of god let's deal with the subject matter and not about who's making money from a cancer center that will (hopefully) be a new jewel in an ever expanding health center here in TV.


Listen, everyone on this board knows that my concern is about quality content on TOTV. I'll listen to any side of the argument and many, many times I've said 'Oh, my bad!'.

But this cancer center debate (I think this is the third separate thread on the subject) just completely baffles me. Again I ask anyone who is against any piece of this plan to please explain the downside? I've listened to everyone and I don't see where a downside could come from. I've been a little rude lately in my posts on the subject but from someone like me who works in the health field, I just don't get it.

This thread was started because of an ad in the paper placed by this Boissoneault center. There is no question that the Moffitt Cancer center is a prestigious institution and as Luvit said it is a comprehensive cancer center with oncologists, surgeons pathologists, etc reviewing cases and seeing patients.

The downside to the proposed Moffitt Cancer Center in the villages is that it doesn't appear that it will have all that. They only keep referring to the radiation equipment and the newspaper said the other day we would get a radiation doctor a physicist and somebody else but that the local medical oncologists would stay.

I don't have a problem if we get a mini Moffitt Cancer center in the villages with all the specialties, but if we are only getting a radiation doctor with his or her support staff then that's not what everyone here is being led to believe that they are donating for.

[marywil]

Why are we being asked to donate equipment funds to a for-profit company? Do we then get a discount on charges for care? I doubt that. Seems like a giant snow job on us.

[boatman268]

Its a not for profit and no one has to contribute. If you don't want to support it, don't. Its not like the federal government that spends our money on things like NPR that many think should support itself.;)

[donsimson]

It makes no difference if the Moffit center is profit or not, I have not seen any other business open in the Villages and solicit contributions to stoks their store or buy restaurant equipment.

If the Villagers buy this equipment (which we are doing) then if the Moffit center pulls out, do we get to keep the machinery?

[cynkr67]

I started this thread, because I was confused by the ad and wanted more information. I truly did not intend to start a controversy. Hope I haven't offended anyone!!

[LuvItHere]

How is this donation/fundraising effort any different than a women's hospital auxiliary board holding a socialite function i.e. silent auction, debutante ball, etc., to raise money for a hospital department expansion, renovation or the newest state of the art equipment??

If I don't want to attend and buy $200/pp tickets to the debutante ball or silent auction tuxedo affair and dine on a 1 oz. steak w. 3 redskin potatoes and pretty garnish filling 2/3 of the plate, I don't have to.

[islandgal]

Can you explain to us the necessity for 700 volunteers?
Does the average volunteer work once a week or a month?

[Reelimpatient]

How is this donation/fundraising effort any different than a women's hospital auxiliary board holding a socialite function i.e. silent auction, debutante ball, etc., to raise money for a hospital department expansion, renovation or the newest state of the art equipment??

If I don't want to attend and buy $200/pp tickets to the debutante ball or silent auction tuxedo affair and dine on a 1 oz. steak w. 3 redskin potatoes and pretty garnish filling 2/3 of the plate, I don't have to.


Sorry if this sounds like Morse bashing, but I call a spade a spade. If it’s true, it’s true. This is true:

I'll tell you quite simply how it is different. The approach is different because the Morse family is committing FRAUD ! They have mislead us Villagers to think that the equipment needed is not available in the immediate area and are asking for each of us to donate to something that exists across the street. If the billionaire wants to pay for the building and wants the equipment, then let him pay for it. You will certainly not be getting any discount because you donated to it. :a20:

The whole idea and concept has been grossly misrepresented.

[bike42]

the Morse family is committing FRAUD ! They have mislead us Villagers . . .

OH PUH-LEEZE barf

[joanmcdonald]

I was treated at the Boissoneault Oncology Institute here in the Villages in 2000 and am followed annually by them. I can tell you they have excellent well trained oncologists with excellent reputations that provide quality care. They have always worked closely with the Moffitt Center and vice versa. They do indeed have the most up to date state of the art equptment that is being planned for the Moffitt Center. I would encourage anyone to go to their Open House December 4th or call for a tour and see for yourself.
I am in no way putting down the Moffitt Center which will be a wonderful addition. I do question the need for the Villagers to pay for equiptment that we already have here at the Villages.

[BigLew]

It makes no difference if the Moffit center is profit or not, I have not seen any other business open in the Villages and solicit contributions to stock their store or buy restaurant equipment.

If the Villagers buy this equipment (which we are doing) then if the Moffit center pulls out, do we get to keep the machinery?

yes, because you are donating money to The Villages Health System not Moffitt. I guess they will then lease the equipment to Moffitt....maybe even for <sigh> profit!

[barb1191]

yes, because you are donating money to The Villages Health System not Moffitt. I guess they will then lease the equipment to Moffitt....maybe even for <sigh> profit!

Pretty sad state of affairs, huh? Good to see that more and more are realizing the reality of if all. Good people giving to this questionable cause is of most concern. This certainly does NOT reflect as "not-for-profit."

I do feel that with the POA support, the residents are in good hands and the POA will do their best to uphold the residents' rights.

[graciegirl]

Reelimpatient.

Isn't is common for communities to have more than one radation facility? I don't know how many people it takes but more than one is no crime.

Are you an ordinary villager or do you work at the radiation place?

I am just asking.

[LuvItHere]

. . . This is true:

I'll tell you quite simply how it is different. The approach is different because the Morse family is committing FRAUD ! . . . .

Now. Read this excerpt from the Daily Sun article and tell me these financial planners/donors are so naive, dumb, or conspiratorial that they publicly, openly donate tens of thousands of dollars to a "fraud" project?!?!? I don't think so.

"Posted: Friday, November 5, 2010 8:00 am
By GARY CORSAIR, DAILY SUN
THE VILLAGES — Cancer is relentless. So are Robert and Thomas Fross.
On Thursday, the Fross brothers gave $50,284.93 to a fundraising drive for the incoming Moffitt Cancer Center at The Villages. The check was the largest single donation to date, but the men who run Fross & Fross Financial won’t rest until the cancer treatment center is fully equipped. . . "

[THEVILLAGESGUY]

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[paradise1]

[QUOTE=Reelimpatient;308782]Sorry if this sounds like Morse bashing, but I call a spade a spade. If it’s true, it’s true. This is true:

I'll tell you quite simply how it is different. The approach is different because the Morse family is committing FRAUD !

Geez, give me a break.. why is it that everything the Morses' do to bring better things to us always brings out the bashers... chilout

[Ajack]

what is amazing that they invited them to the villages and exspect the residents to raise the money to fund the place.
You the developer where quoted as saying perhaps we bite if more than we could chew, or was that your intentions to lure them and foot the bill to the residents.
Then you want to donate a church for five million dollars to the residents and have them foot the bill to make the developmental and structure changes to make it a theater.
Wait a minute you can donate something of value worth five million dolars but invite a cancer treament center to the villages and espect the residents to raise the money to develop it and put equipment in it.
You the developer have one goal in mind with the villages and that is what is best for and not the residents of the villages.
You the developer from the begininng have only thought of youself and your supportive cronies, is that how you make them your friends by taking them on a hunting vacation so you can hunt and kill endangerd species while you conduct your bussiness or give your orders to you managers of your companies.
Either way your wrong and I belive more will come when the IRS and the other government agencies are done ivestigating you for your wrong doings and your deception of the villages residents.
The reason the competion took the ad out was to make the people of the villages aware there is competion and other services avaible to us here, and I applaud them for doing that and I was suprised in was in the daily sun and the cheif editor moorse let it get in, guess they charged them enough.
But what it comes down to I love it here and wouldn't move elsewhere for anything (maybe the Keys) but No one person should not have that much control to dictate what goes on here and at there cost and wim.

Wow. First post. How long you been holding that anger inside of you? I wonder if that kind of anger would follow you to the Keys? Do you really love it here? I find this totally amazing.

Sorry if I was too forward, just take what I was thinking with a grain of salt, THEVILLAGESGUY.:throwtomatoes:

[Karissimo]

Mighty strange how one treatment center can outfit their center without any donations and another larger center is asking for donations! Maybe the "family" has found another way to milk the cow?
Little did I know that in just a few short years almost every hospital would be privately owned, as opposed to not-for-profit. I don't know why it took me so long to notice that hospitals have become big business - owned by private investors/doctors. This being the case, I'm confused as to why we Villagers are donating volunteer hours and money to these business. This book is a real eye-opener: Critical Condition: How Health Care in America Became Big Business--and Bad Medicine by Donald L. Barlett

[graciegirl]

O.K. I know I will get yelled at but
do any of you see that the radiation place is a business and my humble opinion is that they are worried about losing the monopoly rather than being concerned that we are contributing to buy duplicate radiation machinery??

Are some of these bashes because some of these posters are associated with the current radiation center?

I don't know and neither do any of us. If you hate the Morses for any reason this is a good place to bash. If you like them a lot like me and a lot of folks you feel defensive.

Like Russ repeatedly says...Don't contribute if you don't think it is a good thing.... BUT, if and when the big C is part of a diagnosis that affects you or someone you love, I bet you will be glad the Moffitt is close enough that you will only be throwing up in your car for the length of The villages rather than for a two hour ride.

[ijusluvit]

I'm not making my decision about contributing to the Moffitt Center until I find out if is a comprehensive diagnosis and treatment center. If it is, it could be an invaluable resource to us. Facilities that specialize in radiation, for example, can successfully treat cancer IF the diagnosis is correct, compete and in line with the facility's treatment equipment and procedures.

But cases like that of my close friend are not that rare. He was sent home from a prestigious cancer research and treatment center with untreatable liver cancer. Hospice came to his home and helped him prepare to die. His daughter had contacts at Yale University Medical Center. They agreed to see him and utilize their team diagnostic and treatment procedures. They found a kidney condition the cancer center missed. They resolved that and started installing stents to medicate and retard the growth of the liver cancer. He has lived three more years with treatment appointments being the only interruption in his travel, tennis and golf schedule. He's looking for more stuff for a bucket list that would choke a horse. And, recently it looks like there's a team of doctors at another hospital who want do the 'impossible'... fix his liver.

A comprehensive center which coordinated diagnostic and treatment options has given my friend a whole new life.
I could care less about the Morse's motives, profit/non-profit, etc. If that's what the Moffitt Center has the potential and mission to do, we will all have a valuable health care option and I'll gladly make a donation.

[Russ_Boston]

Yes, do your research and if you feel it is appropriate and have the means then contribute.

Please let us know what you find out.

[Rich42]

Why have the people from Moffit not IN ANY WAY responded to the full page add from Boissoneault???
This has caused a lot of confusion and it needs to be clarified for all of us. I was about to make a substantial donation but now am wondering why I should do that.
Help! Information pls.

[graciegirl]

Why have the people from Moffit not IN ANY WAY responded to the full page add from Boissoneault???
This has caused a lot of confusion and it needs to be clarified for all of us. I was about to make a substantial donation but now am wondering why I should do that.
Help! Information pls.

I am just guessing that such an ad is sort of outside of the "ethics" or at least the accepted behavior of a respected medical facility. To respond would be the same. Or as my sainted mother would say. "It is just not done".

[Reelimpatient]

I am just guessing that such an ad is sort of outside of the "ethics" or at least the accepted behavior of a respected medical facility. To respond would be the same. Or as my sainted mother would say. "It is just not done".

I wouldn't say its outside of the ethics of a respected medical facility, its really because behind the scenes that most don't know, is that Moffitt did not seek this relationship, Morse and the Leesburg hospital administrator did.

And speaking of ethics.... I believe that RBOI ran the ad to clear the air and attempt to stop the deception that was coming from the chief editor of the paper (Morse) stating the false statements about the equipment not being available in the area. That was a LIE. This is where many people have got hung up on the wrong issues at stake here; its not about friendly competition, because we all know thats a good thing for each of us. Its all about defrauding the Villagers to thinking they are participating in something that is not available in our community now! And then asking them to support its creation by donations ! That is WRONG and misleading, I don't care how you spell it ! We all want and need options for quality medical treatment, but don't go about it by selling false statements to very people that purchased homes in the Villages. :ohdear:

[Bogie Shooter]

This thread will give you and idea of how things will be when the Performing Arts Center becomes a reality and they try to raise funds.

[golf2140]

This thread will give you and idea of how things will be when the Performing Arts Center becomes a reality and they try to raise funds.

:BigApplause:

[Russ_Boston]

Why have the people from Moffit not IN ANY WAY responded to the full page add from Boissoneault???
This has caused a lot of confusion and it needs to be clarified for all of us. I was about to make a substantial donation but now am wondering why I should do that.
Help! Information pls.


I've been deceived!! No money to Moffitt.

Just joking!

Please stop this - somebody please stop this - I'm begging you!

[jakejake]

It's OK to have duplication ... we have it all the time, multiple gas stations, restaurants, food stores ... the real issue is why we are being asked to donate money to one group of doctors versus another who has already purchased the equipment ... it sounds like unfair competition and the developer who owns the newspaper is giving them all that free ad space for donations, makes you wonder if the IRS should tax the docs on the value of the ads

[Russ_Boston]

The ad space would also be considered a donation.

[billethkid]

of the bias and advantage for any project either owned or operated or TV has a vested interest in supporting.

My question is what is TV position going to be in the event the fund raising comes up short?

The developer covers it?
They buy only what they have enough money for?
The project is stopped/cancelled?
TV finds a way to assess the residents?
Amenity fees get a temporay boost until such time as the shortfall is covered?
etc?

btk

[Avista]

Seven years ago I lived in Tampa and developed Breast Cancer. There are many doctors and hospitals in Tampa that treat breast cancer. I asked to be referred to Moffitt as that is the only comprehensive cancer hospital in Florida. I had a disciplinary TEAM of doctors following me. I felt through them I received just the right amount of treatment for my cancer--not too much and not too little.

I read Dr. Love's Breast Book. The back of the book had a list of Comprehensive Cancer Hospitals in the US. (This is where she suggested going as they are always on the cutting edge) Moffitt was the only one listed from Florida.

I was so happy when I heard they were coming to The Villages.

[Russ_Boston]

TV finds a way to assess the residents?
Amenity fees get a temporay boost until such time as the shortfall is covered?
etc?

btk

Don't think these are even possible under the bylaws. To my knowledge Moffitt is just a business like any other (not for profit) business. If they don't have the money to build they won't.

[johndamelio]

Why is it that they need donations ??
Other medical facilities purchase them on their own. Why is Moffitt different ?

[Number 6]

Why is it that they need donations ??
Other medical facilities purchase them on their own. Why is Moffitt different ?


You got it!! Here is the answer. The project would never have been done without The Villages stepping up to buy the equipment. CFHA would only have done the Leesburg center except they got an offer that they couldn't refuse. Only thing is the residents of The Villages were never told of that. Without the equipment, this business venture makes no sense. Two PET/CTs, for instance, is way overkill. I will bet anything that the financial feasibility study does not support two centers.

Anyway, answer this one simple question. Where is the money coming from to equip the Leesburg center? The answer should telll you what is happening.

[Russ_Boston]

Anyway, answer this one simple question. Where is the money coming from to equip the Leesburg center? The answer should telll you what is happening.

Don't just ask the question - please answer it if you have some info.

Still fail to see why a not for profit medical center asking for donations is any point of discussion for us. There are literally hundreds of medical centers in the USA that survive based on community support. Don't contribute if you don't want to, it is that simple.

Now, if you can show how this will negatively impact those of us that don't contribute I'd be willing to lend an ear.

For those of you that are somehow against the idea of a multi-faceted cancer center coming to TV please explain why you are against it and how you (assuming you don't contribute) are harmed in any way when/if they do.

This is a really bad debate.

[same]

Don't just ask the question - please answer it if you have some info.

Still fail to see why a not for profit medical center asking for donations is any point of discussion for us. There are literally hundreds of medical centers in the USA that survive based on community support. Don't contribute if you don't want to, it is that simple.

Now, if you can show how this will negatively impact those of us that don't contribute I'd be willing to lend an ear.

For those of you that are somehow against the idea of a multi-faceted cancer center coming to TV please explain why you are against it and how you (assuming you don't contribute) are harmed in any way when/if they do.

This is a really bad debate.

What is a "multi-faceted cancer center"? How is different from what is here now?

[Russ_Boston]

All I can say is: http://www.moffitt.org/

It is different since it was ranked #19 in the country in the treatment of cancer and the best in Florida. And who cares it if is different?

Did you say the same when WalMart came in with Target already here?

Did you say the same when Red Lobster came in with Bonefish already here?

Who cares if there is competition? Unless of course you have a vested interest in the other centers.

I still ask the question that nobody has answered: What's the problem with Moffitt coming to TV?

[Avista]

What is a "multi-faceted cancer center"? How is different from what is here now?
Moffitt uses a interdisciplinary approach. This means you are treated by a team of doctors of varied disciplines. As I said, I was treated 7 years ago at Moffitt. My team consisted of my surgeon, radiation oncologist, oncologist, and pathologist. I can't begin to say how important your pathologist is. Also, I did not need reconstruction, but if reconstruction is needed, you will have plastic surgeon on your team.

Does this help anyone. Your team is in one place and they can meet and discuss your condition.

[Chi-Town]

The following two links are from the Moffitt web site:

http://www.bizjournals.com/tampabay/stories/2010/07/26/daily47.html

http://www.dailycommercial.com/localnews/story/073010Moffitt-

Moffitt is not building the cancer care centers. Two developers are, The Villages developer for here and an unnamed developer for the one at the Leesburg Regional Medical Center. The cancer centers will be leased to Central Florida Health Alliance which includes the Villages Health System Hospital and LRMC.

[Larry Wilson]

The sad part is taking away Relay for Life in the Villages so they can get more donations for Moffitt.

[Russ_Boston]

I still see it scheduled for April 29 at the High School.

What did TV take away?

Just looking for info.

[Number 6]

Don't just ask the question - please answer it if you have some info.

Still fail to see why a not for profit medical center asking for donations is any point of discussion for us. There are literally hundreds of medical centers in the USA that survive based on community support. Don't contribute if you don't want to, it is that simple.

Perhaps I am not making myself clear. Let's try it from this direction. Why is it necessary to fund the equipment by donation for the Villages center and not for the Leesburg center?

It is becuase the Villages center would never be built without it. I have no objection to the center being built, but think the Devleoper has not been totaly forthcomming about the deal stuck to get the center done. He volunteered that the residents would buy the equipment. Nice. Now I am just repeating myself. Sorry.

[Whalen]

I still see it scheduled for April 29 at the High School.

What did TV take away?

Just looking for info.


Russ,

Where have you been?
Actually I was suprised when you didn't weigh in on the matter.

http://https://www.talkofthevillages.com/forums/showthread.php?t=33642

Can't seem to get the link to work.
Please see F16's thread :Relay for Life @TVHS

Whalen

[Whalen]

The following two links are from the Moffitt web site:

http://www.bizjournals.com/tampabay/stories/2010/07/26/daily47.html

http://www.dailycommercial.com/localnews/story/073010Moffitt-

Moffitt is not building the cancer care centers. Two developers are, The Villages developer for here and an unnamed developer for the one at the Leesburg Regional Medical Center. The cancer centers will be leased to Central Florida Health Alliance which includes the Villages Health System Hospital and LRMC.

Thank you,
Very informative.

[Russ_Boston]

Russ,

Where have you been?
Actually I was suprised when you didn't weigh in on the matter.

http://https://www.talkofthevillages.com/forums/showthread.php?t=33642

Can't seem to get the link to work.
Please see F16's thread :Relay for Life @TVHS

Whalen

Thanks - just read the entire thread. I think there may be something more than just Moffitt going on. But Kathie had a great point about it being two side of the same coin in terms of cancer research and treatment.

I'll take a wait and see on this as to the real cause.

[oldguy]

Lets see why people might be doing this.
Developer will build the building
Developer will lease the building
1. Tennant Moffitt will get free donated equipment
2. Tennant Moffitt will pay rent to the Developer
3. Tennant Moffitt will have a business Advantage over Other Competition of
over $1400.00 per day($2,200,000@7%/5 year amortization)
Other providers will face unfair competion, and possibly Close because of the equipment debt they have to pay for.
4. Other doctors will relocate to this building and lease space.
5. Newspaper will donate space to the fund raising.
My question is...Was any space donated to the current providers?
6. Moffitt Cancer Center is a great item to mention to prospective buyers and serve to sell more houses.

What does this all mean....Less competition, fully leased new facility owned by the developer, more houses sold, and your ability to participate in a business plan that you pay into from the start of your retirement to your mortal illness to the grave....ie; buy a single family house $$$$, Village sells your house $$$$$, you move into assisted living $$$$, then use all the medical facilities $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$, then die!
Just my take on it...

[bike42]

Lets see why people might be doing this.
Developer will build the building
Developer will lease the building
1. Tennant Moffitt will get free donated equipment
2. Tennant Moffitt will pay rent to the Developer
3. Tennant Moffitt will have a business Advantage over Other Competition of
over $1400.00 per day($2,200,000@7%/5 year amortization)
Other providers will face unfair competion, and possibly Close because of the equipment debt they have to pay for.
4. Other doctors will relocate to this building and lease space.
5. Newspaper will donate space to the fund raising.
My question is...Was any space donated to the current providers?
6. Moffitt Cancer Center is a great item to mention to prospective buyers and serve to sell more houses.

What does this all mean....Less competition, fully leased new facility owned by the developer, more houses sold, and your ability to participate in a business plan that you pay into from the start of your retirement to your mortal illness to the grave....ie; buy a single family house $$$$, Village sells your house $$$$$, you move into assisted living $$$$, then use all the medical facilities $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$, then die!
Just my take on it...

Then why on earth are you here?

[Russ_Boston]

Lets see why people might be doing this.
Developer will build the building
Developer will lease the building
1. Tennant Moffitt will get free donated equipment
2. Tennant Moffitt will pay rent to the Developer
3. Tennant Moffitt will have a business Advantage over Other Competition of
over $1400.00 per day($2,200,000@7%/5 year amortization)
Other providers will face unfair competion, and possibly Close because of the equipment debt they have to pay for.
4. Other doctors will relocate to this building and lease space.
5. Newspaper will donate space to the fund raising.
My question is...Was any space donated to the current providers?
6. Moffitt Cancer Center is a great item to mention to prospective buyers and serve to sell more houses.

What does this all mean....Less competition, fully leased new facility owned by the developer, more houses sold, and your ability to participate in a business plan that you pay into from the start of your retirement to your mortal illness to the grave....ie; buy a single family house $$$$, Village sells your house $$$$$, you move into assisted living $$$$, then use all the medical facilities $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$, then die!
Just my take on it...



I still buy computers even though I know it makes Steve Jobs or Bill Gates richer.

I still buy Honda even though it is a Japanese company. etc.

I like to know that I'm getting my money's worth regardless of who gets rich off my decision.

We pay for what we get and we get what we pay for. I'm happy with my decision and I'm happy to have Moffitt on board to make our homes retain their value well into the future (or hadn't you thought of that angle?).

[Bogie Shooter]

Think??

[graciegirl]

I still buy computers even though I know it makes Steve Jobs or Bill Gates richer.

I still buy Honda even though it is a Japanese company.

etc.

I like to know that I'm getting my money's worth regardless of who gets rich off my decision.

We pay for what we get. I'm happy with my decision and I'm happy to have Moffitt on board to make our homes retain their value well into the future (or hadn't you thought of that angle?).

I agree Russ and EVERYONE knows I have always been a huge Morse fan.

I really think that the Morses decision to not support the Relay for Life by allowing them to use The Villages track is tacky.

I think they need a public relations person. They really shot themselves in the foot on this one..and have turned people against the Moffitt center fund raiser.

[MrMark]

I still buy computers even though I know it makes Steve Jobs or Bill Gates richer.

I still buy Honda even though it is a Japanese company. etc.

I like to know that I'm getting my money's worth regardless of who gets rich off my decision.

We pay for what we get and we get what we pay for. I'm happy with my decision and I'm happy to have Moffitt on board to make our homes retain their value well into the future (or hadn't you thought of that angle?).

I buy Nissan because it's a better car. Suppose people by Chevy and Buick and Ford for the same reason. Great cars are made by Americans, Germans, Japanese, Koreans etc. So what's the point?

Who gets rich is irrelevant in today's world. Lots of people do. The question should have do do with their get rich motivation. Greed is not a particularly good motive to champion.

Moffitt as a factor making your home worth more is a real stretch. I personally had not thought of that "angle" since it has nothing to do with the price of Apples, let alone Moffitt.

Put it all together and what do you get. An ill conceived Theater proposal, a very generous but dubious Moffitt proposal and a serious allegation of wild game poaching. Suspect all that together should create a fair number of doubting Villagers.

Time to get on board!

[graciegirl]

WELL, lack of that kind of quality medical facilities has been mentioned by many on this forum as a reason to think long and hard about moving here, so I guess it would make your home more valuable if that need was supplied.

And on the getting rich thingy, I think that when people pass the threshold where they can maintain their life comfortably and have a comfortable reserve against a rainy day, than maybe the rewards of what they are doing for work sustain their motivation. Some people reach a point when they have the yacht, the airplane, homes in several places, and so I guess that money then becomes a way to keep score in the game of life. I certainly haven't reached that level, but I do know that a lot of people deserve their financial success and a lot of people do not.

The offer of the expanded church on the square as a theatre was turned down, so that committee is thinking to do something else. We will see what they turn up.

I personally think we get a heck of a lot for our $135 a month. I know I have all the nice amenenties that the people in the million dollar homes have. It is working out fine for me.:pepper2:

Just sayin.........

[duffysmom]

Lets see why people might be doing this.
Developer will build the building
Developer will lease the building
1. Tennant Moffitt will get free donated equipment
2. Tennant Moffitt will pay rent to the Developer
3. Tennant Moffitt will have a business Advantage over Other Competition of
over $1400.00 per day($2,200,000@7%/5 year amortization)
Other providers will face unfair competion, and possibly Close because of the equipment debt they have to pay for.
4. Other doctors will relocate to this building and lease space.
5. Newspaper will donate space to the fund raising.
My question is...Was any space donated to the current providers?
6. Moffitt Cancer Center is a great item to mention to prospective buyers and serve to sell more houses.

What does this all mean....Less competition, fully leased new facility owned by the developer, more houses sold, and your ability to participate in a business plan that you pay into from the start of your retirement to your mortal illness to the grave....ie; buy a single family house $$$$, Village sells your house $$$$$, you move into assisted living $$$$, then use all the medical facilities $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$, then die!
Just my take on it...

What competition?? Before choosing TV as our home we researched and visited communities all over the USA and never found anything to compare to the lifestyle TV offers.
I really don't care about who will profit. God forbid a family member develops cancer, we will profit by having the most comprehensive cancer treatment available while still living in our home. In the past we had to travel and spend many weeks living in hotels to get the kind of treatment Moffitt offers. I'm having trouble understanding the resentment some people hold against the developer.
Many of us don't like some of the things the developer has done and instead of whining about it we joined the POA an important organization that works for the rights of the Villagers. Still, we remain grateful for our little piece of heaven and we thank Mr. Schwartz and Gary Morse for their part in developing it. Happy Thanksgiving to all.

[graciegirl]

What competition?? Before choosing TV as our home we researched and visited communities all over the USA and never found anything to compare to the lifestyle TV offers.
I really don't care about who will profit. God forbid a family member develops cancer, we will profit by having the most comprehensive cancer treatment available while still living in our home. In the past we had to travel and spend many weeks living in hotels to get the kind of treatment Moffitt offers. I'm having trouble understanding the resentment some people hold against the developer.
Many of us don't like some of the things the developer has done and instead of whining about it we joined the POA an important organization that works for the rights of the Villagers. Still, we remain grateful for our little piece of heaven and we thank Mr. Schwartz and Gary Morse for their part in developing it. Happy Thanksgiving to all.

Happy Thanksgiving to you too, Duffy's mom! Lucky to have your sense on this forum.

[billethkid]

Moffit Cancer in TV will help maintain home values is a real stretch.
If The Moffit Center were ground zero, how many miles out would that circle of positive "radience" extend?:smiley:

btk

[cynkr67]

I truly hope I never have to use Moffitt Cancer Center...or the other facility...and one thing The Villages does is provide lots of opportunities for recreation and healthy living. But if the big C does strike me or my DH I will be profoundly grateful that it is there for me!!

[Ajack]

I buy Nissan because it's a better car. Suppose people by Chevy and Buick and Ford for the same reason. Great cars are made by Americans, Germans, Japanese, Koreans etc. So what's the point?

Who gets rich is irrelevant in today's world. Lots of people do. The question should have do do with their get rich motivation. Greed is not a particularly good motive to champion.

Moffitt as a factor making your home worth more is a real stretch. I personally had not thought of that "angle" since it has nothing to do with the price of Apples, let alone Moffitt.

Put it all together and what do you get. An ill conceived Theater proposal, a very generous but dubious Moffitt proposal and a serious allegation of wild game poaching. Suspect all that together should create a fair number of doubting Villagers.

Time to get on board!

What does that mean?

[golf2140]

I'm surprised that some of these folks moved here:rant-rave:

[Indydealmaker]

HEARTS: To those participants in this thread that have asked legitimate questions regarding the proposed Moffitt Cancer Center.

DARTS: To some paranoid participants in this thread that chose to respond to questions by, once again, rising first and foremost to the defense of the Developer rather than to offer factual responses that exhibit basic respect for your neighbors' concerns.

HEARTS: To those generous TVers that are always willing to donate their money and time to a good cause.

DARTS: To the Daily Sun for doing such a dismal job of communicating and educating us on the justifications for the Moffitt Cancer Center. The questions and doubts expressed by some in this forum should be totally redundant. Sadly, that is not the case.

[Avista]

As a cancer survivor, I am amazed people think Moffitt has to justify itself. We should be falling on our knees with thanks that a branch of this renown cancer center is coming to The VIllages.

As I remember when Moffitt was built in Tampa, there was talk that they were duplicating existing facilities. Soon Moffitt was considered one of the premier cancer research centers in the country. What about MD Anderson, Sloan Kettering (and yes Moffitt is in their league.) Are they duplicating what their local docs and facilities have to offer?

[Russ_Boston]

DARTS: To the Daily Sun for doing such a dismal job of communicating and educating us on the justifications for the Moffitt Cancer Center. The questions and doubts expressed by some in this forum should be totally redundant. Sadly, that is not the case.

Why does a business need to justify itself? They have a business plan (that works well in Tampa) and they are executing their plan.

As far as any defense of the developer I would say that they are merely landlords of the building and center. No different than any investor who builds a strip mall or other commercial center. They run the risk that the businesses that lease the space will fail and thereby vacate the lease and leave an empty building. I still fail to see whey this is an issue for anyone in The Villages.

[graciegirl]

Why does a business need to justify itself? They have a business plan (that works well in Tampa) and they are executing their plan.

As far as any defense of the developer I would say that they are merely landlords of the building and center. No different than any investor who builds a strip mall or other commercial center. They run the risk that the businesses that lease the space will fail and thereby vacate the lease and leave an empty building. I still fail to see whey this is an issue for anyone in The Villages.

You are right. AND I would guess that the Moffitt Center will have huge success, sadly because cancer strikes so many people as we age. I can't remember the statistics but they are cruel.

I hope that all of the research centers soon zero in on the cures to all of the different forms of cancer. There are so many and they all require expert guidance from myriad oncologists who are specialists in each form to raise the chances of survival for each individual.

I hope this happens in my lifetime and that I see the Moffitt building turn into a huge fitness facility with a performance center in it too.

I can be optimistic if I wish.

But until then, we need it.

[Number 6]

I hope that my concerns have been thoughtful. Let me summarize. I speak from the perspective of developing investor owned cancer centers back a number of years.

First, I have no problem with competition. The more the merrier, I say. The market will sort out the winners from losers. Remember radiation oncology is a very profitable line of business. Medical oncology, not so much.

Second, I like the idea of Moffit locating at the Villages. However, they are not the be all and end all of cancer care. If I were diagnosed, where I would go for a treatment plan would depend on the type of cancer. It might be NYC or Houston or Baltimore or Tampa or The Villages. Treatment could be done locally at the facility that makes the most sense.

Finally, I do not have to donate anything. That is a given.

So, Number 6 what is your problem? I believe that CFHA and the Developer are not being totally forthcoming in their solicitation. CFHA always was going to locate the ONE center, and that on the Leesburg campus. The financial feasibility study does not support two centers. The Developer, for whatever reason that you wish to ascribe, wanted a center located in The Villages. He volunteered, without asking anyone mind you, that the residents would buy the equipment for a Villages center. First it was $2million than $6.4million. You will notice that there is not any fundraising for the equipment for the Leesburg center. That is my problem. IMHO, there should only be one center, and that should be in The Villages. The only earthly reason to locate a center in Leesburg is that it is convenient to the physicians. A patient-centric facility would be located in The Villages. So in my opinion, we got sold out by CFHA. Then we got to buy our way back into the conversation. Well, you did anyway, because I am sure not going to contribute to CFHA. If I have to use their services, my insurance carrier and I will pay our fair share.

Thoughtful?

[Chi-Town]

Number 6, I agree totally that the original center should have been here. That case was stated, and it fell short. I was resigned to the Leesburg location thinking that it was close and much closer than Tampa. Golf cart accessible doesn't really apply, because that would not be an appropriate mode of transportation, especially after treatment.

The fact that there will be a second center here is appealing in that The Villages is a premiere destination and deserves premiere facilities. The developer has done an excellent job in providing us with top notch facilities and amenities. One thing to keep in mind when discussing the center is that Moffitt is not moving medical personnel to this area. The existing doctors and staff will have access to to the latest drugs and clinical trials, and I am sure there will be some sort of educational seminars involved. There will be many situations where a trip to Tampa will be needed, but follow up treatment can be local. That is huge.

I retired from Cardinal Health and was involved providing new clinics, out patient surgicenters, and hospitals with their medical surgical equipment and supplies. As far as the equipment was concerned, consultants were used in conjunction with the architect to establish a list of items needed. The procurement process took place and timelines were established. On large projects we would hold and stage the equipment and deliver it on a promised date. This part came from the capital expenditure budget and was treated as such accounting wise. The purchase orders that I got were months ahead of the opening date. One thing that I never had to do was check to see if enough donations came in to cover my invoice. That part of this whole scenario is baffling. Even the poorest of hospitals secured funding before projects were initiated. This whole situation seems so contrary to the way that The Villages has developed.

[Number 6]

That part of this whole scenario is baffling. Even the poorest of hospitals secured funding before projects were initiated. This whole situation seems so contrary to the way that The Villages has developed.

So right. This is especially true in radiation therapy. This, unlike medical oncology, is a huge profit center if the population projections are right. I don't see why The Villages NEEDS to donate the equipment. Well, unless it is as I suspect, CFHA was not going to build at The Villages without it. So in a very real sense, The Villages is subsitizing the Leesburg project. Interesting.

[bkcunningham1]

I would like to be educated. I just paid taxes to the North Lake County Hospital District aka. Florida Hospital Waterman and Leesburg Regional Medical Center when I paid my Lake County tax bill. Apparently, other's in Lake County also pay taxes to this authority to the tune of more than $10million annually.

The authority and the tax rate were established by the Florida legislature for "continued hospital services,"but there is no oversight of the monies, no audits, nothing that I can find on these monies going to these two not-for-profits.

Any additional information about this authority would be appreciated. Is The Villages hospital set up the same way?

[aljetmet]

As a cancer survivor, I am amazed people think Moffitt has to justify itself. We should be falling on our knees with thanks that a branch of this renown cancer center is coming to The VIllages.

As I remember when Moffitt was built in Tampa, there was talk that they were duplicating existing facilities. Soon Moffitt was considered one of the premier cancer research centers in the country. What about MD Anderson, Sloan Kettering (and yes Moffitt is in their league.) Are they duplicating what their local docs and facilities have to offer?

This is so good to hear. I too am a cancer survivor having two surgeries at Sloan Kettering. We have a great Cancer clinic in Memphis that I have ran to when I felt something might be wrong. I presume when I go on medicare, Sloan might not be an option so having a center as described in TV can be a life saving instituition. :BigApplause: I probably would be in TV today not for the cost of medical insurance for a youth under 65.

[Bogie Shooter]

I would like to be educated. I just paid taxes to the North Lake County Hospital District aka. Florida Hospital Waterman and Leesburg Regional Medical Center when I paid my Lake County tax bill. Apparently, other's in Lake County also pay taxes to this authority to the tune of more than $10million annually.

The authority and the tax rate were established by the Florida legislature for "continued hospital services,"but there is no oversight of the monies, no audits, nothing that I can find on these monies going to these two not-for-profits.

Any additional information about this authority would be appreciated. Is The Villages hospital set up the same way?

Here is an opinion piece, that has a few facts.
http://www.orlandosentinel.com/news/local/lake/os-lk-lauren-ritchie-hospital-distric20101024,0,177103.column

[bkcunningham1]

Here is an opinion piece, that has a few facts.
http://www.orlandosentinel.com/news/local/lake/os-lk-lauren-ritchie-hospital-distric20101024,0,177103.column


Thanks Bogie Shooter. I knew the part about Waterman and Leesburg. I discovered that when I called the CPA's office who writes the checks to the two hospitals.

Since there isn't actually members of an authority or an office, I had to talk to the CPA's office who writes the check when they get the money from the tax collector's office. She was very nice and informative.

She explained the tax to me but I didn't have enough information to ask many educated questions. I just saw the line item on my tax receipt and wondered what it was and started making phone calls. It is a very unique situation to say the least and something I have to learn more about and digest to really have an opinion about. Again, thank you.

[graciegirl]

This is quite interesting and on the face of it ...certainly troublesome.

You live in Lake County BK? I guess I would be very interested and danged annoyed if I paid that much and other counties did not.

We live in Sumter. Does anyone know if we pay a similar tax?

My money is on you bk. You are a GREAT investigative reporter.

Let us know what you find out.

[bkcunningham1]

This is quite interesting and on the face of it ...certainly troublesome.

You live in Lake County BK? I guess I would be very interested and danged annoyed if I paid that much and other counties did not.

We live in Sumter. Does anyone know if we pay a similar tax?

My money is on you bk. You are a GREAT investigative reporter.

Let us know what you find out.

Yes Gracie, we live in Lake County. You know and I know, you and I both love it here. There is no place like it in the world that I have ever been. I'm certainly not looking to Morse bash or whatever.

I could have studied and educated myself for years about TV and still moved here. I'm here now and still going to educate myself. The only conclusion I've come close to having yet is that Florida's Community Development Districts were set up in such a way to finally be governed by the people who live within their boundaries. This isn't political so please, don't start typing that it isn't appropriate for this discussion.

I think that is the biggest gripe with people who aren't, as some have said on this board - hypnotized- by TV. Well, people are people. Some are good, some are bad, some are a combination of everything. They are humans like you and me. That is how it is with the developer, the developer's family, the people who work for the developer and et al.

When the VCDD is finally governed by elected officials, people will still complain. That is what makes this country so great. It isn't a one-size fits all communist country where we all where the same outfits and walk in lock-step.

I believe in free enterprise, but more than that; I believe in a democratic republic form of government and that still exists. If I don't like something, I will work and use the power of my vote to change what I don't like, or at the very least to make it more to my liking.

But first, I'm not going to have a knee-jerk reaction to something and instantly dismiss it because someone is making money or there is a line item on my tax ticket I don't understand or because someone with more money than me wants me to invest in something that may make them more money but will help the community as a whole.

[iaudit]

Yes Gracie, we live in Lake County. You know and I know, you and I both love it here. There is no place like it in the world that I have ever been. I'm certainly not looking to Morse bash or whatever.

I could have studied and educated myself for years about TV and still moved here. I'm here now and still going to educate myself. The only conclusion I've come close to having yet is that Florida's Community Development Districts were set up in such a way to finally be governed by the people who live within their boundaries. This isn't political so please, don't start typing that it isn't appropriate for this discussion.

I think that is the biggest gripe with people who aren't, as some have said on this board - hypnotized- by TV. Well, people are people. Some are good, some are bad, some are a combination of everything. They are humans like you and me. That is how it is with the developer, the developer's family, the people who work for the developer and et al.

When the VCDD is finally governed by elected officials, people will still complain. That is what makes this country so great. It isn't a one-size fits all communist country where we all where the same outfits and walk in lock-step.

I believe in free enterprise, but more than that; I believe in a democratic republic form of government and that still exists. If I don't like something, I will work and use the power of my vote to change what I don't like, or at the very least to make it more to my liking.

But first, I'm not going to have a knee-jerk reaction to something and instantly dismiss it because someone is making money or there is a line item on my tax ticket I don't understand or because someone with more money than me wants me to invest in something that may make them more money but will help the community as a whole.

I assume you are referring to the VCCDD and/or the SLCDD. These two community development districts will never be governed by elected officials by the community. They are entirely controlled by the developer and always will be. Only the numbered CDD's will eventually be governed by elected officials.

[barb1191]

Just came across this article of interest, although it may have been posted before. Merely posting FYI. Something that we taxpayers here should know. ...b

Time to stop tax for hospitals?
--------------------

Lauren Ritchie
COMMENTARY

October 24 2010

So there you are standing in the voting booth, staring at the ballot and trying to figure out why you should care about the candidates for three seats on the "North Lake County Hospital Board of Trustees."

The complete article can be viewed at:
http://www.orlandosentinel.com/news/local/lake/os-lk-lauren-ritchie-hospital-distric20101024,0,177103.column

Visit OrlandoSentinel.com at http://www.orlandosentinel.com

[Maryland Girl]

WELL, lack of that kind of quality medical facilities has been mentioned by many on this forum as a reason to think long and hard about moving here, so I guess it would make your home more valuable if that need was supplied.


Amen to that! :a040:

[Maryland Girl]

billethkid;
Moffit Cancer in TV will help maintain home values is a real stretch.
If The Moffit Center were ground zero, how many miles out would that circle of positive "radience" extend?

I can say with 100% certainty, it would extend as far as Maryland! For us, health care and health care facilities are of the greatest importance when deciding to relocate.

[ajakk]

In case no one has noticed, there are several great health facilities in our area. ROBI, a Mayo Clinic affiliate in TV, MRMC in Ocala, one of the top heart hospitals in the nation, ORMC in Ocala, a Moffitt Cancer Center affiliate - just to name a few. I did not buy here because of the way I will die but because of the way I live.

Having a Moffitt Center affiliate in TV can only be a good thing. The problem is the way it is getting here. I believe it will be built with or without your donations. It seems unlikely there is a real need for a Moffitt affiliate every 20 miles but if the people want to build them, so be it.

Like many, I think we are being misled and we really don't know where our donations are going or how they are being spent. As far as as I know, the donations are being made to CFHA not Moffitt. Like the man says, you don't have to donate, but misleading the donors is in my mind wrong.

Denying the Relay for Life by the Developer is a good example of the type of people in charge of fundraising. So donate if you feel the need, but there are a lot of local charities that I feel are far more worthy.

[billethkid]

available nearby TV. No one has mentioned Inter Community Cancer Center. See the following:
http://www.icccvantage.com/
The do have state of the art radiation equipment. My wife is a breast cancer survivor, having had the good fortune to be a candidate for using their then, new mammosite radiation therapy. Inserting of radiation device into the post surgery area.....twice per day for one week VS 17 weeks for typical whole breast radiation.

Their closest office is located on Rolling Acres behind Home Depot.

Once cancer becomes a personal issue it does not take long to discover what is really available in our area. Yes Moffit is a big name, gold standard reputation comprehensive cancer center... but not the only resource in the area.

I remain concerned how TV could change their support for Relay for Life after supporting it all these years.....for not splitting the contributions with TV Moffit Center....treatment of Relay for Life as a "competitor" for funds.
Plus the obvious advantage of TV having their own newspaper that plays the Moffit card front and center at a minimum daily (more power to those with the power....a fact of life).

As for a one stop treatment locale, it will not be that totally as presented by eliminating the equipment from the donation list that is located at Lake Imaging (that is now in partnership).

Yes it will be a great addition to have ANOTHER resource for those afflicted.
Many of which never asked for one dime from prospective users.
Like so many things that are handled arbitrarily by TV, most of the time the benefit they seek for themselves is complimented by the benfit provided to TV residents. These are not mutually exclusive.

btk

[Whalen]

In the interest of keeping us informed on this matter I would like to direct you to this month's POA bulletin.
The articles pertaining to the Moffit Center and Relay for Life are well balanced and ask pertinent questions.

http://www.poa4us.org/

[Russ_Boston]

In the interest of keeping us informed on this matter I would like to direct you to this month's POA bullitin.
The articles pertaining to the Moffit Center and Relay for Life are well balanced and ask pertinent questions.

http://www.poa4us.org/

Are you talking about the Dec bulletin? That's all I see online.

That is basically just a reprint of the other cancer treatment center's opinion. How can that be considered balanced? And it offers no answers anyway. Just more questions. I'm still looking for answers.

If you are referring to a newer bulletin please post the direct link as we'd all like to read it.

thanks.

[downeaster]

billethkid makes excellent points.

I was going to stay out of this but decided to post my thoughts on the matter.

Moffitt decides to expand into this area by locating in Leesburg. This is good news for TV residents.

However, Developer wants Moffitt here as well. He agrees to finance and build, not donate. He also commits the residents to donate the needed equipment without their prior knowledge. Residents are expected to jump on the band wagon. The term "arrogance" comes to mind. Now we have two locations within a few miles of each other.

Relay for Life means competition for donations. Suddenly football field needs sodding so Relay for Life can't be accommodated.

I have been driving to Tampa twice a week for the last four months and will continue indefinitely. If that treatment became available in Leesburg I would be one happy camper.

[Whalen]

billethkid makes excellent points.

I was going to stay out of this but decided to post my thoughts on the matter.

Moffitt decides to expand into this area by locating in Leesburg. This is good news for TV residents.

However, Developer wants Moffitt here as well. He agrees to finance and build, not donate. He also commits the residents to donate the needed equipment without their prior knowledge. Residents are expected to jump on the band wagon. The term "arrogance" comes to mind. Now we have two locations within a few miles of each other.

Relay for Life means competition for donations. Suddenly football field needs sodding so Relay for Life can't be accommodated.

I have been driving to Tampa twice a week for the last four months and will continue indefinitely. If that treatment became available in Leesburg I would be one happy camper.

That about sums it up.

[Whalen]

Are you talking about the Dec bulletin? That's all I see online.

That is basically just a reprint of the other cancer treatment center's opinion. How can that be considered balanced? And it offers no answers anyway. Just more questions. I'm still looking for answers.

If you are referring to a newer bulletin please post the direct link as we'd all like to read it.

thanks.

Yes it is the January issue.
Sorry, guess you'll have to wait until it goes on line to read it.

[Russ_Boston]

Yes it is the January issue.
Sorry, guess you'll have to wait until it goes on line to read it.

Thanks - look forward to reading it.

[same]

Why would anyone but the Radiologists, not want a "cancer center" in the Villages? ...Am I missing something?

[Russ_Boston]

Why would anyone but the Radiologists, not want a "cancer center" in the Villages? ...Am I missing something?

For the most part (please read all the threads yourself) some people feel that they were mislead regarding the donation aspect. Also many feel that Morse has some other motive beyond the obvious.

Until shown otherwise I'm in your camp. But I'm open to answers to these questions before I donate any money.

[Number 6]

Long story short, but is seems someone discovered that there is already a PET/CTin the Sharon Morse Building owned by Lake Imaging! CFHA has come to an agreement to utilize it. The amount needed is now down to $4.8MM. I looked at buying one once and in a area with a 100,000 population base, we couldn't justify it. One hospital rolled it in one day per week.

Downeaster, I think that you have it nailed.

[Russ_Boston]

I looked at buying one once and in a area with a 100,000 population base, we couldn't justify it.

100K? Wouldn't that just be from TV? I would think the entire pop of the area is much larger than that?

[ajakk]

Personally, it's not the building or need for the Moffitt facility but how it is funded that I object to. As far as I know, Moffitt has not asked for donations to set up shop here, only CFHA.

Google this web site for projected growth in the area.

http://www.thevillagescommercialproperty.com/demographics.asp

[Russ_Boston]

One thing to always keep in mind when looking at pop #'s from TV:

Only adults (99% anyway) live here. A 'normal' town population of 100K would have at least 1/3, maybe more, minors. It's not apples to apples when commercial property evaluates TV.

Somehow I get the feeling that we'll do just fine!