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[Daxdog]

Don’t get me wrong I love dogs have two myself, just because you have a leash that says “service dog” doesn’t make it a service dog. If it was a SD the owner would not have to apologize for it coming over to me and sniffing my leg. A true SD would sit or stand at it’s owners side. No place in a restaurant.

[ThirdOfFive]

Don’t get me wrong I love dogs have two myself, just because you have a leash that says “service dog” doesn’t make it a service dog. If it was a SD the owner would not have to apologize for it coming over to me and sniffing my leg. A true SD would sit or stand at it’s owners side. No place in a restaurant.
Good thing all Rover did was sniff.

[BigSteph]

Two Friday's ago, my family visited Piezannos at Lake Deaton and out comes a patron with his wee dog on a leash. No Service Dog indicator, just a privileged senior on one end and a spoiled dog on the other.

Everyone in my party made the same set of comments "hope it didn't do its business in my booth" or "I hope it didn't pee on the chairs", etc.

We tend to comment about the lack of mental strength and health of our younger generations. I say, guess where they go it.

[I'm Popeye!]

Good thing all Rover did was sniff.

With that remark, I'm willing to bet, you're a DOG owner. :doggie:
Your Rover don't belong where the public eats, period!

[kkingston57]

This situation is now out of control. Saw a couple outside of Darells and they had three small dogs with them and sitting on blanket. None of the dogs had markings showing that they were a service dog.

Brother's son had a real service dog and it was trained for 18 months and had to have certain criteria such as longevity temprament, etc These dogs are now emotional "support" dogs.

[retiredguy123]

This situation is now out of control. Saw a couple outside of Darells and they had three small dogs with them and sitting on blanket. None of the dogs had markings showing that they were a service dog.

Brother's son had a real service dog and it was trained for 18 months and had to have certain criteria such as longevity temprament, etc These dogs are now emotional "support" dogs.
That is legal according to the Federal ADA law. No documentation or proof is required for a service dog. No Florida law can supercede it.

But, I propose that Florida enact a law that, anyone dining in a restaurant when a dog enters, can notify the manager and leave immediately without owing any money to the restaurant. I think that would help to alleviate the problem.

[JMintzer]

Two Friday's ago, my family visited Piezannos at Lake Deaton and out comes a patron with his wee dog on a leash. No Service Dog indicator, just a privileged senior on one end and a spoiled dog on the other.

Everyone in my party made the same set of comments "hope it didn't do its business in my booth" or "I hope it didn't pee on the chairs", etc.

We tend to comment about the lack of mental strength and health of our younger generations. I say, guess where they go it.

This situation is now out of control. Saw a couple outside of Darells and they had three small dogs with them and sitting on blanket. None of the dogs had markings showing that they were a service dog.

Brother's son had a real service dog and it was trained for 18 months and had to have certain criteria such as longevity temprament, etc These dogs are now emotional "support" dogs.

That is legal according to the Federal ADA law. No documentation or proof is required for a service dog. No Florida law can supercede it.

But, I propose that Florida enact a law that, anyone dining in a restaurant when a dog enters, can notify the manager and leave immediately without owing any money to the restaurant. I think that would help to alleviate the problem.

Correct...

"You may not require proof that the animal has been certified, trained or licensed as a service animal. You may not require the animal to wear an identifying vest or tag. You may not ask that the dog demonstrate its ability to perform the task or work."

[BigSteph]

Correct...

"You may not require proof that the animal has been certified, trained or licensed as a service animal. You may not require the animal to wear an identifying vest or tag. You may not ask that the dog demonstrate its ability to perform the task or work."


Yes, not surprising, today.

You can be anything you want to be by just identifying as such.

You could probably identify as a service dog and be allowed to sit at the feet of furry lover at a sushi bar.

I identify as a restaurant patron who prefers no animals around the preparation or consumption of food.

[tophcfa]

This situation is now out of control. Saw a couple outside of Darells and they had three small dogs with them and sitting on blanket. None of the dogs had markings showing that they were a service dog.

While I agree the fake service dog thing is out of control, the outside seating at Darrell’s is pet friendly and non service dogs are actually encouraged by the establishment. Their slogan is Darrell’s Dog Gone Good Diner, with a picture of what appears to be a yellow lab.

[kaydee]

It is very much out of control. If you claim it is a service dog when in fact it is not you ought to be ashamed of yourself.

[me4vt]

Outdoor setting is for patrons with well behaved pets.

[me4vt]

But it’s ok for people to bring their rug rats kicking and screaming to restaurants!

[PatriciaF]

Don’t get me wrong I love dogs have two myself, just because you have a leash that says “service dog” doesn’t make it a service dog. If it was a SD the owner would not have to apologize for it coming over to me and sniffing my leg. A true SD would sit or stand at it’s owners side. No place in a restaurant.

I do not live in the Villages but my two dogs are ESA. Both have red harness staying Emotional Support. Both have been certified as such and both have ESA cards I carry with me. But, there are people out there claiming such and the animal is not registered . They allow the dog to do whatever like a spoiled two year old. Service Animals are a necessity plain and simple. I do not take my ESA to a restaurant because I do not need Emotional Sport to eat. I have seen older females hanging on to their ESA dog for dear life or pushing the little darling throughout the eatery in a doggy stroller. No need for that.

[Daxdog]

It does not matter if a person has a note from a doctor that states that the person has a disability and needs to have the animal for emotional support. A doctor’s letter does not turn an animal into a service animal.

Florida’s ESA rules make clear that in order to have a valid emotional support animal, the tenant must possess documentation from a licensed health care practitioner.

All prospective ESA owners should understand that a mere certificate, ID or registration bought online will not be enough to properly qualify their animal companion as an ESA.

This lady claimed it was a Service Dog, not a ESA.

Chapter 413, para 413.8

b) Documentation that the service animal is trained is not a precondition for providing service to an individual accompanied by a service animal. A public accommodation may not ask about the nature or extent of an individual’s disability. To determine the difference between a service animal and a pet, a public accommodation may ask if an animal is a service animal required because of a disability and what work or tasks the animal has been trained to perform.

[richardc1947]

I was in Publix on 466A last week and a lady on one of the store’s electric carts came down the frozen foods aisle with TWO (2) “service” dogs. Some folks just have to abuse things!

[Luggage]

I am a lot more concerned with people who park in handicap spots and are not handicapped. Lots of people keep handicap placards Way beyond when they really need them also and think it just gets them a better spot but for someone that has a true handicap it makes it a lot harder

[Miekies]

There is no such thing as a certified ESA dog. An ESA dog can legally ONLY go where any pet dog can go in public. They get ZERO special privileges except for being allowed to reside in a rental dwelling without a pet deposit /allowed where in a rental where pets are not allowed or allowed in hotels. That's it and sadly this has turned into a massive scam as well that sadly many "doctors" have jumped on the bandwagon with for their scheming patients to get out of paying deposits or getting their pets allowed. Hopefully that will go away soon just like ESA dogs are not allowed on planes any more.

And I'm a huge dog lover, have a retired SAR k9 (search and rescue) . I'm just sick of all the fakes out there taking advantage of the system.


I do not live in the Villages but my two dogs are ESA. Both have red harness staying Emotional Support. Both have been certified as such and both have ESA cards I carry with me. But, there are people out there claiming such and the animal is not registered . They allow the dog to do whatever like a spoiled two year old. Service Animals are a necessity plain and simple. I do not take my ESA to a restaurant because I do not need Emotional Sport to eat. I have seen older females hanging on to their ESA dog for dear life or pushing the little darling throughout the eatery in a doggy stroller. No need for that.

[JSR22]

This situation is now out of control. Saw a couple outside of Darells and they had three small dogs with them and sitting on blanket. None of the dogs had markings showing that they were a service dog.

Brother's son had a real service dog and it was trained for 18 months and had to have certain criteria such as longevity temprament, etc These dogs are now emotional "support" dogs.

Darells allows dogs to be outside. The people did nothing wrong.

[Bay Kid]

Yes, not surprising, today.

You can be anything you want to be by just identifying as such.

You could probably identify as a service dog and be allowed to sit at the feet of furry lover at a sushi bar.

I identify as a restaurant patron who prefers no animals around the preparation or consumption of food.

The owners identify the dog as a child that can eat their leftovers and lick the plate clean.

[Vermilion Villager]

That is legal according to the Federal ADA law. No documentation or proof is required for a service dog. No Florida law can supercede it.


That is not even close to a true statement. ADA does not cover animals.

[Lindaws]

Darrell’s allows dogs there, unfortunately

[retiredguy123]

That is not even close to a true statement. ADA does not cover animals.
Huh?

"Under Florida law and the federal Americans with Disabilities Act (ADA), people with disabilities may bring their service animals to all "public accommodations," such as restaurants, museums, hotels, and stores. These laws also require those who operate transportation services to allow service animals."

[Larchap49]

This situation is now out of control. Saw a couple outside of Darells and they had three small dogs with them and sitting on blanket. None of the dogs had markings showing that they were a service dog.

Brother's son had a real service dog and it was trained for 18 months and had to have certain criteria such as longevity temprament, etc These dogs are now emotional "support" dogs.

I fully understand a service dog that is identifiable and needed, like a blind person, a physicaly handicapped person, but an ESA dog, bird, snake, what a crock. Seems we are becoming a weak emotionally disfunctional society. Believing in dragging all sorts of animals around to inappropriate places imposing on others. Thinking it's ok to state what gender we identify as when nature has clearly made that decision already. Etc etc. We have become a weak society. I could go on but to what end. This country is too far down the road to ruin to stop it now. So glad I am not a youthful person, I'm hoping I won't be here to see the end.

[MandoMan]

Correct...

"You may not require proof that the animal has been certified, trained or licensed as a service animal. You may not require the animal to wear an identifying vest or tag. You may not ask that the dog demonstrate its ability to perform the task or work."

Was that law passed to get votes from people who think their “fur babies” cross a “Rainbow Bridge” instead of being euthanized and dying? It doesn’t seem very sensible. If people are so emotionally fragile that they require an “Emotional Support Animal” to keep from melting down, they shouldn’t go to places where dogs haven’t generally been allowed. (I don’t include guide dogs.) What passes these days as a need for “emotional support” generally means some people around here like to take their dogs everywhere. l like dogs a lot, especially smaller ones, and I don’t mind their going around with owners if the dogs are well-trained, but staying at home instead of going to the restaurant for humans won’t kill them.

[SusanStCatherine]

The biggest reason to not bring your dog to a restaurant is so that those who are dining there who are very allergic to dander would like to be able to comfortably breathe while doing so.

[Chuckndianne]

If I wanted to eat with a did, I go to the kennel. Restaurants are for people!

[Bilyclub]

Outdoor setting is for patrons with well behaved pets.

If you mean outdoor seating that is not allowed according to Florida law. Local governments can issue permits if certain rules are followed.

[Morgan65]

Dogs do not walk around carry disease just by being present! If you are so concerned about a dog sitting on the ground at the next table, Please never let your mind think about the kitchen in which your food was prepared or the folks preparing your food. Many more sanitation issues with those!! Even at the best of restaurants!!

[bitsnkiblz]

We build biographies of strangers in our minds based on very little information. I’m as guilty as anyone. But today I’m going to attempt to be a little kinder and less judgmental. Anybody with me?

[Morgan65]

How do you know that. Why be so judgemental without knowing the story!

[Whitley]

I am a lot more concerned with people who park in handicap spots and are not handicapped. Lots of people keep handicap placards Way beyond when they really need them also and think it just gets them a better spot but for someone that has a true handicap it makes it a lot harder

I have rejected a handicap parking placard several times. I am short of 60 and would like to think I can get around on my own. Just because the doctors want me to get one does not mean I need it. There are many for whom that spot is a necessity.

[Whitley]

The owners identify the dog as a child that can eat their leftovers and lick the plate clean.

Are you a child? Only a child can identify what a child is. Stay in your lane.

(As I reread the above post, as ludicrous as it is I believe there will be some, perhaps many, who believe it and frighteningly so agree with it. It was written in jest)

[juddfl]

Thank you for mentioning people that are allergic to animal dander. Many years ago I made an airline reservation months in advance. This is when the airlines first started allowing animals on flights. A women got on the plane and sat next to me. She had a cute small dog. After a short time, I started to notice that I was getting a tightness in my chest and started to wheeze. I excused myself and went to the stewardess and told her that I had a problem. The only solution was for one of us to move all the way to the back of the plane. Guess who had to move? I was the one with the problem, so I had to go to the rear of the plane. I called the airline when I returned and asked if there is any way I could know in advance if there would be an animal on a flight I was going to be on. I was told that they don't know in advance if someone is bringing an animal. The only solution would be to ask to be moved further away from the animal or wait to get on the next flight and there would be no guarantee if there would be an animal on that flight. I guess her dog had more of right to be on that flight than I did.

[ElDiabloJoe]

Correct...

"You may not require proof that the animal has been certified, trained or licensed as a service animal. You may not require the animal to wear an identifying vest or tag. You may not ask that the dog demonstrate its ability to perform the task or work."

You may, however, ask the function for which the dog has been trained.

[airstreamingypsy]

I am a dog person, I love them, hell I like them more than people. That said, I think the ADA should certify service dogs, and the owner should be required to produce proof of certification if they want to bring their service dog into restaurants and food stores. I didn't actually feel this way until recently. A member of a group I'm in, has a dog who wears a service vest. He brings the dog everywhere. The dog goes up to people to be petted, the dog barks at people it decides it should bark at. The owner doesn't even discipline the dog when she barks at people, which happened in a restaurant last week. If there was some sort of certification, not where they owner has to reveal their reason for needing a service dog, but to prove the dog was legit..... things like this would be eliminated.

[Kcarbfaith]

People don't realize that there are those with severe allergies to dogs that if they are to touch something that a dog has been against and then touch their own face they will have a severe reaction. Dogs do not belong in restaurants or grocery stores where it can possibly be harmful to others.

[Gatorhutch]

Don’t get me wrong I love dogs have two myself, just because you have a leash that says “service dog” doesn’t make it a service dog. If it was a SD the owner would not have to apologize for it coming over to me and sniffing my leg. A true SD would sit or stand at it’s owners side. No place in a restaurant.

What rules, regulations, decorum and/or laws apply in public places for ESH’s…emotional support humans?

[airstreamingypsy]

What rules, regulations, decorum and/or laws apply in public places for ESH’s…emotional support humans?

Emotional support dog owners have only limited legal rights that typically require a letter of diagnosis from the owner’s doctor or psychiatrist. Although they don’t have unlimited access to public spaces, the Fair Housing Act mandates “reasonable accommodations” for emotional support animals, even in buildings that don’t allow pets. As of January 2021, airlines are no longer required to accommodate emotional support animals.

[njbchbum]

snipped The dog goes up to people to be petted, the dog barks at people it decides it should bark at. The owner doesn't even discipline the dog when she barks at people, which happened in a restaurant last week. If there was some sort of certification, not where they owner has to reveal their reason for needing a service dog, but to prove the dog was legit..... things like this would be eliminated.

The fact that "The dog goes up to people to be petted, the dog barks at people it decides it should bark at." is all the info you need to know that the dog is not a certified service animal!

[Driller703]

Good thing all Rover did was sniff.

🤣. Now that’s funny!

[tophcfa]

Darrell’s allows dogs there, unfortunately

Or fortunately, depending on one’s perspective.

[airstreamingypsy]

The fact that "The dog goes up to people to be petted, the dog barks at people it decides it should bark at." is all the info you need to know that the dog is not a certified service animal!

Exactly, that's how I knew it's not a real service dog.

[nordic tug]

But it’s ok for people to bring their rug rats kicking and screaming to restaurants!
You’re equating human beings with animals. And therein lies the problem.

[DDToto41]

Don’t get me wrong I love dogs have two myself, just because you have a leash that says “service dog” doesn’t make it a service dog. If it was a SD the owner would not have to apologize for it coming over to me and sniffing my leg. A true SD would sit or stand at it’s owners side. No place in a restaurant.

About 10 or so years ago, my wife, daughter and I were at Bob Evens on 466. My daughter was a student in the University of Florida school of Veterinary Medicine. We had ordered our food when a woman came in and sat down with 7 other women. She had a small dog that she put under the table. My daughter went over to explain to her that Florida law states that animals are not allowed in restaurants unless they were a service dog. She got very belligerent an told my daughter it was a SD and it would tell her when she would get an attack. My daughter said she didn't need the dog since she had 7 other women there to take care of her if something should happen. She didn't leave but had the waitress move them to another table. The waitress was probably instructed to not say anything to her but to move her away. My daughter is now a veterinarian and has 6 dogs of her own (she will not put a healthy dog down but will find a good home for it or take it herself). People are privileged, but if you did the same thing they would castigate you for it.

[JMintzer]

Not worth it///

[Berwin]

I lived in Germany for four years (Army) and visited short-term many other times (TDY). Dogs were almost always welcome in any eating establishment. Sometimes dogs were but children weren't.

[Keefelane66]

Two Friday's ago, my family visited Piezannos at Lake Deaton and out comes a patron with his wee dog on a leash. No Service Dog indicator, just a privileged senior on one end and a spoiled dog on the other.

Everyone in my party made the same set of comments "hope it didn't do its business in my booth" or "I hope it didn't pee on the chairs", etc.

We tend to comment about the lack of mental strength and health of our younger generations. I say, guess where they go it.
It’s amazing how many EMOTIONAL support pets I see at restaurants but none on the golf course?

[tophcfa]

You’re equating human beings with animals. And therein lies the problem.

Your correct there, no comparison. Our Border Collies were/are smarter, more loyal, and more compassionate than most humans.

[Kevinwitgen@yahoo.com]

It is very much out of control. If you claim it is a service dog when in fact it is not you ought to be ashamed of yourself.

Give it a rest…. For the love of God!!!!!!

[Lea N]

I am a lot more concerned with people who park in handicap spots and are not handicapped. Lots of people keep handicap placards Way beyond when they really need them also and think it just gets them a better spot but for someone that has a true handicap it makes it a lot harder

This has always seemed so spoiled and rude when someone takes a handicap spot. Now that I am a caregiver to someone who is handicapped and we do need to use that spot to get my loved one in and out of the car it really ticks me off when people do this. I don't want to be put in the position of ever having to push my loved one in a wheel chair across a hot paved parking lot. Nor do I always want to drop them at the door while I find a place to park on a hot or rainy day. I once read on a forum (not TOTV) someone bragging about how they were able to get away with parking in a handicap spot. I wouldn't wish anyone to be in the position of needing a handicap spot but they are there for a reason.

[Dlpdo]

Don’t get me wrong I love dogs have two myself, just because you have a leash that says “service dog” doesn’t make it a service dog. If it was a SD the owner would not have to apologize for it coming over to me and sniffing my leg. A true SD would sit or stand at it’s owners side. No place in a restaurant.

Quite common in Europe to see dogs in restaurants. Not aware of anyone getting sick or dying from this.

[Mohawksin]

I do not live in the Villages but my two dogs are ESA. Both have red harness staying Emotional Support. Both have been certified as such and both have ESA cards I carry with me. But, there are people out there claiming such and the animal is not registered . They allow the dog to do whatever like a spoiled two year old. Service Animals are a necessity plain and simple. I do not take my ESA to a restaurant because I do not need Emotional Sport to eat. I have seen older females hanging on to their ESA dog for dear life or pushing the little darling throughout the eatery in a doggy stroller. No need for that.

As of this writing a service animal is a member of the equine or canine species according to ADA regulations. A service dog must be trained to provide a service to people that have a disability. An emotional support dog is a term that has little credence.

[lmrk32]

Dear Lord, help me. If you had ever truly loved a dog with your entire heart and soul you would know that every dog is a service animal. Stop being such a bunch of old grumps

[lmrk32]

Excellent and right on point

[lmrk32]

Congratulations to you sir. My daughter is not only a veterinarian she is also board-certified as a specialist in critical care. She would have never approached anyone to express her view because what is visible is not always the true story. And would you like to know why she became a veterinarian? Because she cannot deal with the fools that are posting here on this site. Animals are a very integral part to our mental health, to our ability to love and be loved and anyone who has a problem with that needs to self reflect

[lmrk32]

Very well said, very true and very on point. Thank you

[VT2TV]

Just curious , do you know of any places that support animals are always legally allowed to enter, and what type of animals are legally allowed to be considered a support animal?

[JMintzer]

It’s amazing how many EMOTIONAL support pets I see at restaurants but none on the golf course?

Golf is our emotional support... ;)

[asianthree]

And would you like to know why she became a veterinarian? Because she cannot deal with the fools that are posting here on this site.

Becoming a Vet, because she can’t deal with fools posting on TOTV seems odd. I would’ve hoped it was her love of animals, and the need to help them.
Calling clients who foot the bill at her practice “Fools” might want to rethink advertising $$

[Luggage]

I was partially handicapped for 15 plus years until surgery and I truly wish I had a dog with me but what I really want is for a lot more curb cuts at shopping centers and just a few more handicap spots that golf carters don't take up unnecessarily so I'm not really commenting about the dogs because I love them and if you don't like it you can always get up pay your bill and leave. Believe me is a lot more going on in the back of the kitchen that you don't want to find out about than having to worry about a dog

[Luggage]

There have been many studies that every dog is an emotional support and contributes to your mental health. And in TV you certainly need it here with all the whiners and complainers

[Sandy and Ed]

This situation is now out of control. Saw a couple outside of Darells and they had three small dogs with them and sitting on blanket. None of the dogs had markings showing that they were a service dog.

Brother's son had a real service dog and it was trained for 18 months and had to have certain criteria such as longevity temprament, etc These dogs are now emotional "support" dogs.
“Outside” is the operative word. Not inside. Dining al fresco. I don’t see a problem with that. Dog sits under table at owner’s feet. Inside? That is a “no go”!

[Sandy and Ed]

But it’s ok for people to bring their rug rats kicking and screaming to restaurants!
I agree. I am not trying to equate a human toddler with an animal but a well behaved dog sitting at an owner’s feet at a table outside a restaurant is more acceptable to my dining experience than an out of control child noisily playing havoc at the table next to me while I try to carry on a conversation and enjoy a meal

[Daxdog]

I am a dog person, I love them, hell I like them more than people. That said, I think the ADA should certify service dogs, and the owner should be required to produce proof of certification if they want to bring their service dog into restaurants and food stores. I didn't actually feel this way until recently. A member of a group I'm in, has a dog who wears a service vest. He brings the dog everywhere. The dog goes up to people to be petted, the dog barks at people it decides it should bark at. The owner doesn't even discipline the dog when she barks at people, which happened in a restaurant last week. If there was some sort of certification, not where they owner has to reveal their reason for needing a service dog, but to prove the dog was legit..... things like this would be eliminated.

Don’t confuse Service Dogs to Emotional Support Animal.

[terenceanne]

If you are in such emotional distress that you can't sit for 30 minutes for bacon & eggs without your dog, then I would suggest you stay home - just saying.

[airstreamingypsy]

Don’t confuse Service Dogs to Emotional Support Animal.

I clearly wasn't confusing them..... the dog was wearing a service dog vest, and was inside a restaurant.

[Catalina36]

Don’t get me wrong I love dogs have two myself, just because you have a leash that says “service dog” doesn’t make it a service dog. If it was a SD the owner would not have to apologize for it coming over to me and sniffing my leg. A true SD would sit or stand at it’s owners side. No place in a restaurant.

Pretending to be Service Dogs Do Not Belong in Restaurants or Supermarkets.
You Know Who You are, Leave your Pretend Service Dog Home. They Don't Belong in A Restaurant or Supermarket. Make a appointment with a Psychiatrist and Get Help.

[lmrk32]

Well of course she loves animals. She has a $300,000 loan for her vet school education $250,000 for undergrad. So do the math. Who encourage those kind of loans if they do not love animals. So please be assured no one is “” footing her bills “ Except her and I.

[asianthree]

Well of course she loves animals. She has a $300,000 loan for her vet school education $250,000 for undergrad. So do the math. Who encourage those kind of loans if they do not love animals. So please be assured no one is “” footing her bills “ Except her and I.

Like most in TV, our children also had grants, student loans. Their undergrad was on our nickel, but thanks to multiple schools offering scholarships, our cost was minimal. All went to med school, one stops counting after a million. Their practices include many older patients, while can be a challenge, have never heard on of them call their patients a fool. We tried to convince our grand trauma ortho will be older patients, but she thrives on a challenge.

[Speedie]

Two Friday's ago, my family visited Piezannos at Lake Deaton and out comes a patron with his wee dog on a leash. No Service Dog indicator, just a privileged senior on one end and a spoiled dog on the other.

Everyone in my party made the same set of comments "hope it didn't do its business in my booth" or "I hope it didn't pee on the chairs", etc.

We tend to comment about the lack of mental strength and health of our younger generations. I say, guess where they go it.

Saw the same sort of thing. Child in leaky diapers was sitting on the seat in the next booth. Mom eventually lifted it up on the table where people will eat and changed it before they left the restaurant

Disgusting

[JMintzer]

“Outside” is the operative word. Not inside. Dining al fresco. I don’t see a problem with that. Dog sits under table at owner’s feet. Inside? That is a “no go”!

Cue the "THEY NEED A PERMIT TO ALLOW THAT!" crowd...

[swally]

A real service dog or certified therapy dog usually isn’t noticed. They’re trained not to be distracted.

[Vermilion Villager]

Correct...

"You may not require proof that the animal has been certified, trained or licensed as a service animal. You may not require the animal to wear an identifying vest or tag. You may not ask that the dog demonstrate its ability to perform the task or work."

Can you show documentation to support this statement?

[Johnsocat]

Two Friday's ago, my family visited Piezannos at Lake Deaton and out comes a patron with his wee dog on a leash. No Service Dog indicator, just a privileged senior on one end and a spoiled dog on the other.

Everyone in my party made the same set of comments "hope it didn't do its business in my booth" or "I hope it didn't pee on the chairs", etc.

We tend to comment about the lack of mental strength and health of our younger generations. I say, guess where they go it.

There are folks who feel the same way about toddlers....

[Atamasco]

You’re equating human beings with animals. And therein lies the problem.
We’re equating mammals with little or no self-restraint

[lmrk32]

As you can see, I very rarely post on this forum. And this is the reason why. No one can allow you your opinion without an argument and addition your words are always twisted. When I say people are fools, this is a beautiful example of it. People who have never spent one day in vet school try to argue with her and tell her how to practice her profession after 12 years of school. If that does not make you a fool then I don’t know what does. In addition, financially you have made your choices and I have made mine. She could’ve gone to medical school and made four times what she is making now. However due to her love of animals which you would like to negate she chose to be a veterinarian. I am now done with this conversation, so no need to reply. Just one parting thought… It is a documented fact that people who cannot get into vet school will then go to medical school but I will not judge because you certainly haven’t! Lol

[JMintzer]

Can you show documentation to support this statement?

Read the thread, it's already been done...

[JMintzer]

As you can see, I very rarely post on this forum. And this is the reason why. No one can allow you your opinion without an argument and addition your words are always twisted. When I say people are fools, this is a beautiful example of it. People who have never spent one day in vet school try to argue with her and tell her how to practice her profession after 12 years of school. If that does not make you a fool then I don’t know what does. In addition, financially you have made your choices and I have made mine. She could’ve gone to medical school and made four times what she is making now. However due to her love of animals which you would like to negate she chose to be a veterinarian. I am now done with this conversation, so no need to reply. Just one parting thought… It is a documented fact that people who cannot get into vet school will then go to medical school but I will not judge because you certainly haven’t! Lol

Replace "vet school" with any type of "med school" and you have the same fools...

They show up with a ream of paper printed out from "Web MD" and proceed to tell you you're wrong...

That said, I'm glad she found her calling. Not sure if taking over a $1/2 million in student loans was the best financial planning, but good luck to her!

[Bonanza]

That is legal according to the Federal ADA law. No documentation or proof is required for a service dog. No Florida law can supercede it.

But, I propose that Florida enact a law that, anyone dining in a restaurant when a dog enters, can notify the manager and leave immediately without owing any money to the restaurant. I think that would help to alleviate the problem.

Wishful thinking and it doesn't even make sense. You're dreaming!
You rarely see a non-service dog inside a restaurant. Outside on a patio -- yes, but then YOU have a choice.

[Bonanza]

Correct...

"You may not require proof that the animal has been certified, trained or licensed as a service animal. You may not require the animal to wear an identifying vest or tag. You may not ask that the dog demonstrate its ability to perform the task or work."

Can you show documentation to support this statement?

That happens to be the law, albeit not a very good one, I will admit. Feel free to look it up.

[retiredguy123]

Wishful thinking and it doesn't even make sense. You're dreaming!
You rarely see a non-service dog inside a restaurant. Outside on a patio -- yes, but then YOU have a choice.
I don't eat on patios. But, I think that restaurants should be able to ban all dogs from being inside their restaurant. I don't care whether the dog is a service dog or not. The Federal ADA law is absurd. People who don't want to dine with dogs, should not be required to do so.

[Bonanza]

Correct...

"You may not require proof that the animal has been certified, trained or licensed as a service animal. You may not require the animal to wear an identifying vest or tag. You may not ask that the dog demonstrate its ability to perform the task or work."

Can you show documentation to support this statement?

That happens to be the law, albeit not a very good one, I will admit. Feel free to look it up.

[tophcfa]

I don't eat on patios. But, I think that restaurants should be able to ban all dogs from being inside their restaurant. I don't care whether the dog is a service dog or not. The Federal ADA law is absurd. People who don't want to dine with dogs, should not be required to do so.

I strongly disagree. My brother is 100% blind and completely relies on his incredibly well trained seeing eye dog (an absolutely beautiful German Shepherd) to be his eyes. Without his dog, he couldn’t go out to dinner. When his dog is in harness she is 100% working and well behaved. All the fake service dogs being paraded around by entitled a holes really pi$$es me off, they discredit the real service dogs that people like my brother depend on to live as normal a life as they possibly can.

[Bonanza]

I don't eat on patios. But, I think that restaurants should be able to ban all dogs from being inside their restaurant. I don't care whether the dog is a service dog or not. The Federal ADA law is absurd. People who don't want to dine with dogs, should not be required to do so.

I strongly disagree. My brother is 100% blind and completely relies on his incredibly well trained seeing eye dog (an absolutely beautiful German Shepherd) to be his eyes. Without his dog, he couldn’t go out to dinner. When his dog is in harness she is 100% working and well behaved. All the fake service dogs being paraded around by entitled a holes really pi$$es me off, they discredit the real service dogs that people like my brother depend on to live as normal a life as they possibly can.

I would like to say I am my dog's emotional support and I will go wherever she takes me . . . Always! :thumbup:

Thank you for your comment, tophcfa. I'm with you 100% and am genuinely embarrassed by the tone of some of these posters, including the one found at the top here, And to those who won't eat in a place where there are dogs, you should simply eat at home. Problem solved! I'd be willing to bet that your brother's guide dog is better behaved, cleaner, and serves a better purpose than those who made so many anti-dog asinine comments.

The law needs some serious adjustments made so that all the a-holes to whom you refer, get fined for promoting an injustice to all of those who ARE acting within the law and to those who require the help guide dogs give them.

I encourage the readers of this thread to click on About Us - Southeastern Guide Dogs (https://www.guidedogs.org/about-us/) to learn about guide dogs and to make an appointment to visit Southeastern Guide Dogs in Palmetto, FL (just above Bradenton) for an incredible experience. I promise you will be enlightened, and not disappointed.

[retiredguy123]

I strongly disagree. My brother is 100% blind and completely relies on his incredibly well trained seeing eye dog (an absolutely beautiful German Shepherd) to be his eyes. Without his dog, he couldn’t go out to dinner. When his dog is in harness she is 100% working and well behaved. All the fake service dogs being paraded around by entitled a holes really pi$$es me off, they discredit the real service dogs that people like my brother depend on to live as normal a life as they possibly can.
I don't think we disagree very much. The ADA law may have good intentions, but it gives way too much power to those who want to take advantage of it to bring their dog everywhere they go. The law has no enforcement mechanism.

[Bonanza]

I don't think we disagree very much either. The ADA law may have good intentions, but it gives way too much power to those who want to take advantage of it to bring their dog everywhere they go. The law has no enforcement mechanism.

In response to your comment to tophcfa, initially, you said that the FDA law was "absurd," but I don't really think you meant that. What I read into what you said was that the law has no teeth and needed to be changed and I agree.

I have always thought the dogs should have a government-issued tag that could be attached to a leash for visible proof the dog is indeed qualified to go anywhere. Then no questions are necessary. And if the dog did not bare that tag, the owner should be fined with stiffer penalties for each offense. Seeing eye dogs automatically qualify. They are always visible.

Frankly, I have no time for the scofflaws who continue to pretend their dog qualifies as a service animal, making it questionable for those for whom the law is a necessity.

[Babubhat]

It’s bad when the grocery store needs to post a sign not to put animals in the shopping cart

[fdpaq0580]

There have been many studies that every dog is an emotional support and contributes to your mental health. And in TV you certainly need it here with all the whiners and complainers

Very self serving. There are many people who are negatively affected when exposed to dogs as a result of illnesses, allergies or fear or distrust due to previous incidents.

[Bonanza]

There have been many studies that every dog is an emotional support and contributes to your mental health. And in TV you certainly need it here with all the whiners and complainers

Very self serving. There are many people who are negatively affected when exposed to dogs as a result of illnesses, allergies or fear or distrust due to previous incidents.

Sorry, but NOT self-serving at all! You are exaggerating. There are some (not many) people who are negatively affected by exposure to dogs as a result of illness. What kind of illness would that be? If it's an allergy, the person doesn't have to pet the dog or be in its company; they can walk away. They can also be medicated. Fear or distrust? Same thing as allergy and see a psychiatrist.

I once did a personal study for my own satisfaction and found a great correlation between people who said they were allergic to dogs and cats (truthfully, mostly cats) to those who did not like dogs and cats. I found the results to be interesting and amazing.

Yes, owning a dog is an emotional thing and gives great comfort and satisfaction to those who own the dog and to those with whom the dog is in direct contact.

[CoachKandSportsguy]

the human condition: "Everyone should be treated equally, but I should be treated special!"

we are all suffering!

[GeoGeo]

We were at a doctor's office and someone had their large service dog with a service dog vest on and it barked and barked and barked some more.

[Veiragirl]

But it’s ok for people to bring their rug rats kicking and screaming to restaurants!

I would rather sit by a well behaved dog then the entitled,spoiled,screaming kid. Also NO ONE under 21 should be allowed in restaurants when alcohol is served. That's what we have McDonalds for

[fdpaq0580]

Sorry, but NOT self-serving at all! You are exaggerating. There are some (not many) people who are negatively affected by exposure to dogs as a result of illness. What kind of illness would that be? If it's an allergy, the person doesn't have to pet the dog or be in its company; they can walk away. They can also be medicated. Fear or distrust? Same thing as allergy and see a psychiatrist.

I once did a personal study for my own satisfaction and found a great correlation between people who said they were allergic to dogs and cats (truthfully, mostly cats) to those who did not like dogs and cats. I found the results to be interesting and amazing.

Yes, owning a dog is an emotional thing and gives great comfort and satisfaction to those who own the dog and to those with whom the dog is in direct contact.

Not exaggerating. As a former dog owner who still loves dogs but now lives with one negatively affected by dogs, it is my opinion that those individuals deserve the right to not be forced to accept exposure to dogs except in the case of TRUE service dogs (ie:seeing eye dogs). Service dogs owners should be required to be questioned and carry proof of type of service.
As to your study, it should make perfect sense that one would not like the thing(s) that they fear or that make them ill. I find your results not "interesting and amazing", but exactly what one would/should expect. And your comment to just walk away. That is often impractical or just not possible.
I agree that owning a dog is an emotional thing. We love our pets, but not everyone else does. Nor should we expect them to or demand they do.
Emotional support animals serve the same purpose as a teddy bear. Something to focus on and hold to transfer your distress to Think of the poor dog, for God's sake. It senses your distress, has no idea what is so wrong. Now you have made the poor dog miserable. Shame on you. Take a "happy" pill, grab your teddy bear and let the poor dog alone for its mental health.

[CFrance]

Posters can argue/debate ad nauseum, but the arguments would be better placed to congressmen to make changes. The ADA law vis-a-vis service dogs is too weak and leaves too much opening for fraud. I personally see nothing wrong with some sort of agency certifying service dogs, issuing a tag, and requiring their owners to carry papers. I realize that also would be open to counterfeit, but I think it would weed out most of the cheaters. I also see nothing wrong with a merchant asking to see proof of certification.

Legitimate service dogs perform more than just seeing-eye tasks. They open doors, detect seizures, alert their owners to certain dangers such as the onset of diabetic coma--the list goes on. Some can push a button on a phone or other alert device. It would be impossible to demonstrate some of these tasks to anyone in a store or restaurant who asks.

The tags could be made to be read with the same equipment stores use to check for counterfeit money. The training agencies could cover the costs of the tags and certification for those unable to pay at the time they equip the disabled person with a dog. Grants and donations help.

It's time the ADA people cleaned up this particular law, in my opinion.

It's also time people stopped gaming the system. It's giving the rest of us responsible dog owners a bad name. We know where and where not to take our dogs, and why.

[fdpaq0580]

Posters can argue/debate ad nauseum, but the arguments would be better placed to congressmen to make changes. The ADA law vis-a-vis service dogs is too weak and leaves too much opening for fraud. I personally see nothing wrong with some sort of agency certifying service dogs, issuing a tag, and requiring their owners to carry papers. I realize that also would be open to counterfeit, but I think it would weed out most of the cheaters. I also see nothing wrong with a merchant asking to see proof of certification.

Legitimate service dogs perform more than just seeing-eye tasks. They open doors, detect seizures, alert their owners to certain dangers such as the onset of diabetic coma--the list goes on. Some can push a button on a phone or other alert device. It would be impossible to demonstrate some of these tasks to anyone in a store or restaurant who asks.

The tags could be made to be read with the same equipment stores use to check for counterfeit money. The training agencies could cover the costs of the tags and certification for those unable to pay at the time they equip the disabled person with a dog. Grants and donations help.

It's time the ADA people cleaned up this particular law, in my opinion.

It's also time people stopped gaming the system. It's giving the rest of us responsible dog owners a bad name. We know where and where not to take our dogs, and why.

I agree with you. Guide dogs for the blind are pretty obvious that they are performing a function. But, there are many animals that perform functions for those whose disability is not so obvious. This is the area the cheaters (scammers) exploit. This is why I believe that any establishment open to the public should be able to ask the owner of a service animal to provide proof (license) they (the animal) is legit. There should be penalties for those who try to scam the system.
Truly responsible pet owners sadly often get unfairly lumped in with the "bad guys", and they don't deserve that.

[JMintzer]

Not exaggerating. As a former dog owner who still loves dogs but now lives with one negatively affected by dogs, it is my opinion that those individuals deserve the right to not be forced to accept exposure to dogs except in the case of TRUE service dogs (ie:seeing eye dogs). Service dogs owners should be required to be questioned and carry proof of type of service.
As to your study, it should make perfect sense that one would not like the thing(s) that they fear or that make them ill. I find your results not "interesting and amazing", but exactly what one would/should expect. And your comment to just walk away. That is often impractical or just not possible.
I agree that owning a dog is an emotional thing. We love our pets, but not everyone else does. Nor should we expect them to or demand they do.
Emotional support animals serve the same purpose as a teddy bear. Something to focus on and hold to transfer your distress to Think of the poor dog, for God's sake. It senses your distress, has no idea what is so wrong. Now you have made the poor dog miserable. Shame on you. Take a "happy" pill, grab your teddy bear and let the poor dog alone for its mental health.

The same can be said for those who have "an emotional response" to dogs...

They should simply take a "happy pill" and grab their teddy bear...

[Bonanza]

We were at a doctor's office and someone had their large service dog with a service dog vest on and it barked and barked and barked some more.

How sad.
THAT dog was probably not a service dog and it was in a doctor's office?
They should have made that person leave!
Personally, I would have told that person to take the dog out of the office.

[fdpaq0580]

How sad.
THAT dog was probably not a service dog and it was in a doctor's office?
They should have made that person leave!
Personally, I would have told that person to take the dog out of the office.

My thought was that could have been the response to it sensing a seizure or some other problem. Did anyone bother to check with or check on the dog's owner?

[fdpaq0580]

The same can be said for those who have "an emotional response" to dogs...

They should simply take a "happy pill" and grab their teddy bear...

Wrong. That is like telling a soldier suffering from traumatic battle fatigue and physical abuse to take a sedative, grab a teddy bear and get back in the battle.
My point is that if I have anxiety ( I do ) and I get a dog for comfort and come home, my wife could be stressed by being confronted by the source of her very real major trauma. I don't have a dog, and instead take medication. It works and no poor dog was harmed physically or emotionally by me dumping my stress on the poor dog

[JMintzer]

Wrong. That is like telling a soldier suffering from traumatic battle fatigue and physical abuse to take a sedative, grab a teddy bear and get back in the battle.
My point is that if I have anxiety ( I do ) and I get a dog for comfort and come home, my wife could be stressed by being confronted by the source of her very real major trauma. I don't have a dog, and instead take medication. It works and no poor dog was harmed physically or emotionally by me dumping my stress on the poor dog

Horrid analogy...

A better one would be that same veteran showing up at a 4th of July celebration and demanding that no one can enjoy fireworks...

Dogs love to serve. Don't assume that they are having "stressed dumped on them"...

[fdpaq0580]

Horrid analogy...

A better one would be that same veteran showing up at a 4th of July celebration and demanding that no one can enjoy fireworks...

Dogs love to serve. Don't assume that they are having "stressed dumped on them"...

You analogy is false regarding most situations where the stress occurs. Using your scenario, the celebration was planned, no surprise. The vet makes a conscious decision to go. He knowingly creates his own circumstance.
My analogy, using your scenario would be; the veteran contacts a restaurant to arrange a quiet dinner for two for an anniversary. In the middle of the quiet dinner, a large, rowdy crowd comes in, loud music and pyrotechnics go off. The poor vet took pains to plan a peaceful evening, which was ruined. Not his fault.

As to " dogs love to serve". I just think they enjoy most interactions with their owners. Dogs are sensitive, empathetic and if you are in pain physically or mentally, they sense that and they feel bad too, only, they have no clue why you are troubled or what to do for you. So, you have transferred your stress and unhappiness onto them.

[JMintzer]

You analogy is false regarding most situations where the stress occurs. Using your scenario, the celebration was planned, no surprise. The vet makes a conscious decision to go. He knowingly creates his own circumstance.
My analogy, using your scenario would be; the veteran contacts a restaurant to arrange a quiet dinner for two for an anniversary. In the middle of the quiet dinner, a large, rowdy crowd comes in, loud music and pyrotechnics go off. The poor vet took pains to plan a peaceful evening, which was ruined. Not his fault.

Sorry, but you cannot control what goes on around you in life...

If you want to try... Stay home...

As to " dogs love to serve". I just think they enjoy most interactions with their owners. Dogs are sensitive, empathetic and if you are in pain physically or mentally, they sense that and they feel bad too, only, they have no clue why you are troubled or what to do for you. So, you have transferred your stress and unhappiness onto them.

Or, they transfer their calm and happiness on to their owner...

[Whitley]

Replace "vet school" with any type of "med school" and you have the same fools...

They show up with a ream of paper printed out from "Web MD" and proceed to tell you you're wrong...

That said, I'm glad she found her calling. Not sure if taking over a $1/2 million in student loans was the best financial planning, but good luck to her!

If I could figure out how to start a new thread I would, however I can not. Speaking of Vets and MD's kind of fits in with my question. Are licensed M.D.'s required to take continuing education courses in their field to keep their medical license active?

[JMintzer]

If I could figure out how to start a new thread I would, however I can not. Speaking of Vets and MD's kind of fits in with my question. Are licensed M.D.'s required to take continuing education courses in their field to keep their medical license active?

Yup... In my case, 50 hrs every 2 years...

[Stu from NYC]

Yup... In my case, 50 hrs every 2 years...

Do all states have the same requirement?

[golfing eagles]

Correct...

"You may not require proof that the animal has been certified, trained or licensed as a service animal. You may not require the animal to wear an identifying vest or tag. You may not ask that the dog demonstrate its ability to perform the task or work."

Yes, not surprising, today.

You can be anything you want to be by just identifying as such.

You could probably identify as a service dog and be allowed to sit at the feet of furry lover at a sushi bar.

I identify as a restaurant patron who prefers no animals around the preparation or consumption of food.

It is very much out of control. If you claim it is a service dog when in fact it is not you ought to be ashamed of yourself.

Which is why the law is absolutely ridiculous and needs to be rewritten. I would suggest that a business owner not only may, but be required to be shown proof that it is indeed a service animal. No "emotional support" animals. If you need rover to be with you at all times, you need to be in a psychiatrist's office, not a restaurant. When this came up about 15 years ago, I absolutely refused to give any patient a letter certifying they need an "emotional support" pet. I told them that if their separation anxiety rose to the level of needing to have their pet everywhere they go, they need to see a mental health professional and I'd be glad to make the referral. Not one ever took me up on it nor mentioned it again. I came to the conclusion that 90%+ of these requests were bogus. It was basically on par with requests for a handicapped sticker when the patient had no handicap that I was aware of. Nobody could give a legitimate reason, but I often heard "Dr. XYZ" just gives them out without asking. Great---go see him!

[golfing eagles]

As you can see, I very rarely post on this forum. And this is the reason why. No one can allow you your opinion without an argument and addition your words are always twisted. When I say people are fools, this is a beautiful example of it. People who have never spent one day in vet school try to argue with her and tell her how to practice her profession after 12 years of school. If that does not make you a fool then I don’t know what does. In addition, financially you have made your choices and I have made mine. She could’ve gone to medical school and made four times what she is making now. However due to her love of animals which you would like to negate she chose to be a veterinarian. I am now done with this conversation, so no need to reply. Just one parting thought… It is a documented fact that people who cannot get into vet school will then go to medical school but I will not judge because you certainly haven’t! Lol

I'd love to see that "documentation". I'd also dispute that doctors make 4x more than veterinarians---average doctor income---$224,000, average vet salary----$136,000, so 65% more, NOT 400% more. I wish I made 4x what my vet did. The funny part----every time I brought my dog to my vet, it was $200-$400 for the visit. When my vet came to see me, the charge was $90

[golfing eagles]

Replace "vet school" with any type of "med school" and you have the same fools...

They show up with a ream of paper printed out from "Web MD" and proceed to tell you you're wrong...

That said, I'm glad she found her calling. Not sure if taking over a $1/2 million in student loans was the best financial planning, but good luck to her!

Ain't that the truth. But then again, I just took those papers in my right hand, transferred them to my left hand and threw them in the trash. My usual response to anyone who questioned that action was "The day I need to rely on your google search to do my job is the day you need to RUN, not WALK, away from me"

[golfing eagles]

If I could figure out how to start a new thread I would, however I can not. Speaking of Vets and MD's kind of fits in with my question. Are licensed M.D.'s required to take continuing education courses in their field to keep their medical license active?

Absolutetly! A minimum of 100 hours/ year in New York.

[Stu from NYC]

I'd love to see that "documentation". I'd also dispute that doctors make 4x more than veterinarians---average doctor income---$224,000, average vet salary----$136,000, so 65% more, NOT 400% more. I wish I made 4x what my vet did. The funny part----every time I brought my dog to my vet, it was $200-$400 for the visit. When my vet came to see me, the charge was $90

Equal trade one office visit for one vet visit.

[JMintzer]

Do all states have the same requirement?

Well, I'm licensed in MD, DC and FL, and they have those requirements.

Some of the specifics of the hours may be different from state to state (for example, FL has an opiate CME requirement due to the previous problems with "Pill Mills", and DC has an LBGTQ CME requirement), but as far as I know, pretty much every state has the 50 hr/every 2 years requirement...

[JMintzer]

I'd love to see that "documentation". I'd also dispute that doctors make 4x more than veterinarians---average doctor income---$224,000, average vet salary----$136,000, so 65% more, NOT 400% more. I wish I made 4x what my vet did. The funny part----every time I brought my dog to my vet, it was $200-$400 for the visit. When my vet came to see me, the charge was $90

Yup...

When my youngest daughter was in HS, she was thinking about being a vet. She would always come with me or my wife to bring the dog for checkups and shots...

One time, as we were checking out, the receptionist told me that "today's charges are 200 and something $$$". I gave her a credit card and commented, "And THAT is why you should be a vet"...

The receptionist chuckled and nodded in agreement... People will automatically pay their veterinarian, but they'll argue all day long if their insurance benefits leave them with any co-pay or balance to their doctors...

[golfing eagles]

Yup...

When my youngest daughter was in HS, she was thinking about being a vet. She would always come with me or my wife to bring the dog for checkups and shots...

One time, as we were checking out, the receptionist told me that "today's charges are 200 and something $$$". I gave her a credit card and commented, "And THAT is why you should be a vet"...

The receptionist chuckled and nodded in agreement... People will automatically pay their veterinarian, but they'll argue all day long if their insurance benefits leave them with any co-pay or balance to their doctors...

Yep---another nail hit on the head.

I used to think it was somewhat low class for obstetricians to demand all their fee up front before the baby's delivery. But in reality, if they didn't, they would be below last on the list of people to get paid-----crib, stroller, play pen, diapers, food, bottle, cute little fuzzy animal and mobiles, VCR to record the baby, etc all come first.

I don't know about you, JM, but I never turned a patient away because they owed money. I doubt the same can be said about most vets.

[JMintzer]

Yep---another nail hit on the head.

I used to think it was somewhat low class for obstetricians to demand all their fee up front before the baby's delivery. But in reality, if they didn't, they would be below last on the list of people to get paid-----crib, stroller, play pen, diapers, food, bottle, cute little fuzzy animal and mobiles, VCR to record the baby, etc all come first.

I don't know about you, JM, but I never turned a patient away because they owed money. I doubt the same can be said about most vets.

Never did... Wound up giving away $40-50K in free care every year...

I figured, with me being such an AH, I needed all the Karma I could get! :1rotfl::1rotfl::1rotfl:

[davem4616]

It is very much out of control. If you claim it is a service dog when in fact it is not you ought to be ashamed of yourself.

I believe in actuality they're considered 'emotional support dogs'

Two people that belong to the church I attend actually bring them into the church on Sunday

Sad...

[Stu from NYC]

I believe in actuality they're considered 'emotional support dogs'

Two people that belong to the church I attend actually bring them into the church on Sunday

Sad...

Can not imagine to many untrained dogs are happy to be there with their owners.