Walking in the danger zone!

[russtcc]

This has come up before but the other morning while walking on a path (facing potential traffic) a gentleman on a bicycle decided to play chicken to see if I would move. When he finally pulled on the grass he informed I'm to walk with traffic. I explained that ever since I was run over by a bicycle with stiches to show for it I will face traffic when possible. We agreed to disagree.

Out of curiosity I did a Google search for pedestrian regulations in Florida. In turns out that in 2022 Florida state regulations, 316.130; Pedestrians; traffic regulations it clearly states if there is not a sidewalk when walking along a road the pedestrian is to walk on the left side facing traffic which may approach from the opposite direction.

I guess you can quibble as to what makes a road or highway but for me if anything with wheels is on that surface I'm on the left side. Walking on the right side with carts and bicycles coming behind me is like trusting everyone in a roundabout to stay in their lane! Below is a link to the regulations.

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[ohioshooter]

My practice is if there is motorized vehicle traffic I walk against the traffic, if it's just walkers and bicycles I walk with traffic. I expect a cyclist coming up behind me to say "on your left". I said that to a walker the other day though and he went left in front of me. Claimed he hadn't had his coffee yet.

[Kenswing]

My practice is if there is motorized vehicle traffic I walk against the traffic, if it's just walkers and bicycles I walk with traffic. I expect a cyclist coming up behind me to say "on your left". I said that to a walker the other day though and he went left in front of me. Claimed he hadn't had his coffee yet.
We have a walking/bike path behind our house. Things pretty much operate as you describe. We do get a few that insist on walking on the left but they are the exception and not the rule.

[Bogie Shooter]

This has come up before but the other morning while walking on a path (facing potential traffic) a gentleman on a bicycle decided to play chicken to see if I would move. When he finally pulled on the grass he informed I'm to walk with traffic. I explained that ever since I was run over by a bicycle with stiches to show for it I will face traffic when possible. We agreed to disagree.

Out of curiosity I did a Google search for pedestrian regulations in Florida. In turns out that in 2022 Florida state regulations, 316.130; Pedestrians; traffic regulations it clearly states if there is not a sidewalk when walking along a road the pedestrian is to walk on the left side facing traffic which may approach from the opposite direction.

I guess you can quibble as to what makes a road or highway but for me if anything with wheels is on that surface I'm on the left side. Walking on the right side with carts and bicycles coming behind me is like trusting everyone in a roundabout to stay in their lane! Below is a link to the regulations.

Statutes & Constitution
:View Statutes
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Online Sunshine (http://www.leg.state.fl.us/statutes/index.cfm?App_mode=Display_Statute&URL=0300-0399/0316/Sections/0316.130.html)

This person did not pay attention in the second (I think) grade…..that’s where we learned that! Geesh!

[DAVES]

This has come up before but the other morning while walking on a path (facing potential traffic) a gentleman on a bicycle decided to play chicken to see if I would move. When he finally pulled on the grass he informed I'm to walk with traffic. I explained that ever since I was run over by a bicycle with stiches to show for it I will face traffic when possible. We agreed to disagree.

Out of curiosity I did a Google search for pedestrian regulations in Florida. In turns out that in 2022 Florida state regulations, 316.130; Pedestrians; traffic regulations it clearly states if there is not a sidewalk when walking along a road the pedestrian is to walk on the left side facing traffic which may approach from the opposite direction.

I guess you can quibble as to what makes a road or highway but for me if anything with wheels is on that surface I'm on the left side. Walking on the right side with carts and bicycles coming behind me is like trusting everyone in a roundabout to stay in their lane! Below is a link to the regulations.

Statutes & Constitution
:View Statutes
:

Online Sunshine (http://www.leg.state.fl.us/statutes/index.cfm?App_mode=Display_Statute&URL=0300-0399/0316/Sections/0316.130.html)

As we all seem to regularly discover there are LAWS. Assuming that others around you KNOW the laws is a reach. Assuming they KNOW the laws AND WILL FOLLOW THEM is an even bigger reach

[DAVES]

This person did not pay attention in the second (I think) grade…..that’s where we learned that! Geesh!

Far as second grade. Basic psychology. About the age of two a baby discovers there are other people besides ME, ME, ME. The poster always reports they are right. There are obviously two sides to every story. Where it happened, we don't know. Was there other traffic around so that if the bicyclist went into the road, he/she was in danger, we do not know.

I ride a bike, walk, drive and have a golf cart. Bike rules are at best strange. At one time bikes were a major form of transportation. Horses cars and people is also like HUH? The villages-add in dogs, in outfits. in a stroller surely a HUH , HUH,HUH.

[DAVES]

My practice is if there is motorized vehicle traffic I walk against the traffic, if it's just walkers and bicycles I walk with traffic. I expect a cyclist coming up behind me to say "on your left". I said that to a walker the other day though and he went left in front of me. Claimed he hadn't had his coffee yet.

As far as shouting on your left. It is perhaps a practice in other places. In the villages it will often get you, a snarl, a, hand gesture, that is not a turn signal in Florida is it, or a panic response-several people scattering all over the place blocking how you planed to go around them.

As posted previously assuming others know the law and will follow it is a reach. The LAW is
bicycles are SUPPOSED to travel WITH traffic. Walkers are SUPPOSED TO walk facing traffic.

[fdpaq0580]

As far as shouting on your left. It is perhaps a practice in other places. In the villages it will often get you, a snarl, a, hand gesture, that is not a turn signal in Florida is it, or a panic response-several people scattering all over the place blocking how you planed to go around them.

As posted previously assuming others know the law and will follow it is a reach. The LAW is
bicycles are SUPPOSED to travel WITH traffic. Walkers are SUPPOSED TO walk facing traffic.

Yep! Always walk facing traffic. It is the safest option. Particularly considering the possibility/probability that the walker may be hearing impaired. "On your left" ! Do they hear you? Do they understand what you said? Who are you shouting at?
Always walk facing traffic.

[ohioshooter]

As far as shouting on your left. It is perhaps a practice in other places. In the villages it will often get you, a snarl, a, hand gesture, that is not a turn signal in Florida is it, or a panic response-several people scattering all over the place blocking how you planed to go around them.

As posted previously assuming others know the law and will follow it is a reach. The LAW is
bicycles are SUPPOSED to travel WITH traffic. Walkers are SUPPOSED TO walk facing traffic.

I believe you are talking about walking on a road. The law that was quoted says “if there is not a sidewalk “. I would consider a walking biking path as a sidewalk. That’s all I have to say.

[Bill14564]

As far as shouting on your left. It is perhaps a practice in other places. In the villages it will often get you, a snarl, a, hand gesture, that is not a turn signal in Florida is it, or a panic response-several people scattering all over the place blocking how you planed to go around them.

As posted previously assuming others know the law and will follow it is a reach. The LAW is
bicycles are SUPPOSED to travel WITH traffic. Walkers are SUPPOSED TO walk facing traffic.

Yes, on a road ALWAYS walk facing motorized traffic. On a sidewalk or other walking path, walk on the right.

[fdpaq0580]

This has come up before but the other morning while walking on a path (facing potential traffic) a gentleman on a bicycle decided to play chicken to see if I would move. When he finally pulled on the grass he informed I'm to walk with traffic. [/url]

I disagree with your characterisation of the cyclist. He is definitely not a gentleman. Oh, and he was wrong.

[JohnN]

Walk against the traffic, ride with the traffic. That said, you need to be on the lookout for everybody.
And I don't play chicken with anyone, too many nutjobs out there.

[Djean1981]

Yeah, I wouldn't walk with my back to traffic. Too many bad drivers.

[Bill14564]

I disagree with your characterisation of the cyclist. He is definitely not a gentleman. Oh, and he was wrong.

On a path the bicyclist was right.

The walker was already not where he belonged. As a cyclist I would have been wary of what he was going to do next. He was blocking my side of the path but if I tried to go around him would he then move towards his side of the path and cause a collision? It's either roll the dice and hope for the best or stop and try to explain why the walker should not have been walking on the left. The cyclist chose option B but apparently the walker is too stuck in his ways to appreciate the good advice.

[mtdjed]

I believe you are talking about walking on a road. The law that was quoted says “if there is not a sidewalk “. I would consider a walking biking path as a sidewalk. That’s all I have to say.

What does a sidewalk imply? I was always under the impression that you shouldn't be riding a bicycle on a "sidewalk". I believe the paths harboring walkers, bikers and golf carts are multi Modal paths. If I see a golf cart on the path, then I walk to face it. If the next vehicle I see is a bicycle, I expect that to be traveling in the right lane as the golf cart was. I would be on the same side facing it.

[Toymeister]

As far as shouting on your left. It is perhaps a practice in other places. In the villages it will often get you, a snarl, a, hand gesture, that is not a turn signal in Florida is it, or a panic response-several people scattering all over the place blocking how you planed to go around them.


I recommend a bell.

As an experiment I tried different warning devices to warn pedestrians of my approach while cycling. Most bells* were superior to yelling "on your left". This bell, a copy of a 1950s design, worked surprisingly well Retro Metal Bicycle Bell Handlebar Vintage Bike Bell Ring Horn Clear Sound Loud 788411009071 | eBay (https://www.ebay.com/itm/114690882289). The 80mm Dutch style 'DING DONG' bells we're also excellent ORIGINAL! DING DONG BICYCLE BELL 80MM CHROME. ( ALMOST GONE) | eBay (https://www.ebay.com/itm/313602427080).
*The free, tiny, 'dink' bells that come with some bikes are useless.

Bells frequently elicit waves, thanks, and smiles.

[DAVES]

I disagree with your characterisation of the cyclist. He is definitely not a gentleman. Oh, and he was wrong.

People will argue about almost everything. I was not there, I do not know either party. Thus, I wonder who is right , or wrong.

[DAVES]

On a path the bicyclist was right.

The walker was already not where he belonged. As a cyclist I would have been wary of what he was going to do next. He was blocking my side of the path but if I tried to go around him would he then move towards his side of the path and cause a collision? It's either roll the dice and hope for the best or stop and try to explain why the walker should not have been walking on the left. The cyclist chose option B but apparently the walker is too stuck in his ways to appreciate the good advice.

There is always hope. A post like, THANKS, I was wrong and didn't realize it. Has anyone seen ONE? Who knows. Perhaps, someone discovered what is right and will do it.
I call them ASTRONOMERS. There is no shortage of people who think, no are sure the world revolves around them.

[Kelevision]

This has come up before but the other morning while walking on a path (facing potential traffic) a gentleman on a bicycle decided to play chicken to see if I would move. When he finally pulled on the grass he informed I'm to walk with traffic. I explained that ever since I was run over by a bicycle with stiches to show for it I will face traffic when possible. We agreed to disagree.

Out of curiosity I did a Google search for pedestrian regulations in Florida. In turns out that in 2022 Florida state regulations, 316.130; Pedestrians; traffic regulations it clearly states if there is not a sidewalk when walking along a road the pedestrian is to walk on the left side facing traffic which may approach from the opposite direction.

I guess you can quibble as to what makes a road or highway but for me if anything with wheels is on that surface I'm on the left side. Walking on the right side with carts and bicycles coming behind me is like trusting everyone in a roundabout to stay in their lane! Below is a link to the regulations.

Statutes & Constitution
:View Statutes
:

Online Sunshine (http://www.leg.state.fl.us/statutes/index.cfm?App_mode=Display_Statute&URL=0300-0399/0316/Sections/0316.130.html)

That rule only applies to the multi-modal paths not the walking/bike paths. The biker was correct. My question is you see a bike riding toward you, in their own lane, and you didn’t move? Why did you “play chicken” with the biker who again was doing exactly the correct thing? You forced the biker off the road when you could’ve taken a couple of steps onto your own side? :confused:

[tophcfa]

Clothesline

[Garywt]

He, just like a golf cart needed to pull into the flow of traffic to pass you safely. You were doing it correctly.

[bob47]

The first thing I learned in kindergarten: Walk on the left facing traffic.

Most bicyclists prefer that you do this too. When your back is to them, they have to wonder if you know they are approaching. Especially with so many walkers wearing earbuds.

[Laker14]

That rule only applies to the multi-modal paths not the walking/bike paths. The biker was correct. My question is you see a bike riding toward you, in their own lane, and you didn’t move? Why did you “play chicken” with the biker who again was doing exactly the correct thing? You forced the biker off the road when you could’ve taken a couple of steps onto your own side? :confused:

I'm half-way with you here, my friend. The OP states that the cyclist "chose to play chicken". I don't see how one person can play chicken by himself. It takes two.
I walk facing traffic. But I do so in order to see what's coming at me, and I do that so I can step aside.
As a bicyclist, I prefer to see the walker facing me, then I can assess whether or not he/she sees me, or is engrossed in a cell phone.

[Laker14]

I recommend a bell.

As an experiment I tried different warning devices to warn pedestrians of my approach while cycling. Most bells* were superior to yelling "on your left". This bell, a copy of a 1950s design, worked surprisingly well Retro Metal Bicycle Bell Handlebar Vintage Bike Bell Ring Horn Clear Sound Loud 788411009071 | eBay (https://www.ebay.com/itm/114690882289). The 80mm Dutch style 'DING DONG' bells we're also excellent ORIGINAL! DING DONG BICYCLE BELL 80MM CHROME. ( ALMOST GONE) | eBay (https://www.ebay.com/itm/313602427080).
*The free, tiny, 'dink' bells that come with some bikes are useless.

Bells frequently elicit waves, thanks, and smiles.

While a bell may be the superior way to alert a pedestrian of your approach, it doesn't tell them anything about which side of them you intend to pass, which is fine if you are not intending to zip by them at full bicycle speed. Part of the issue is that many bicyclists feel entitled to pace themselves as if there were no pedestrians about. We wouldn't accept that from automobiles. If there are people around walking, bikes, as well as cars, should slow down a bit.
Bicyclists want to be treated with the same respect as automobile traffic, but often forget that along with that respect comes some responsibility, and in the case of cycling on a path heavily populated with walkers, that means not acting like it's a bicycle race course.

[terryf484]

This has come up before but the other morning while walking on a path (facing potential traffic) a gentleman on a bicycle decided to play chicken to see if I would move. When he finally pulled on the grass he informed I'm to walk with traffic. I explained that ever since I was run over by a bicycle with stiches to show for it I will face traffic when possible. We agreed to disagree.

Out of curiosity I did a Google search for pedestrian regulations in Florida. In turns out that in 2022 Florida state regulations, 316.130; Pedestrians; traffic regulations it clearly states if there is not a sidewalk when walking along a road the pedestrian is to walk on the left side facing traffic which may approach from the opposite direction.

I guess you can quibble as to what makes a road or highway but for me if anything with wheels is on that surface I'm on the left side. Walking on the right side with carts and bicycles coming behind me is like trusting everyone in a roundabout to stay in their lane! Below is a link to the regulations.

Statutes & Constitution
:View Statutes
:

Online Sunshine (http://www.leg.state.fl.us/statutes/index.cfm?App_mode=Display_Statute&URL=0300-0399/0316/Sections/0316.130.html)

Our experience when walking on walking paths is about half of the bicycle riders never give you notice when they are coming up behind you, therefore, we walking against the traffic. The other problem we have encounter, with a small minority of bike riders on walking paths, is the speed they are traveling. I believe, if you want to ride at 20 mph, you should do it on the cart paths or roadway. I am also a bike rider and try to be courteous to walkers.

[golfing eagles]

That rule only applies to the multi-modal paths not the walking/bike paths. The biker was correct. My question is you see a bike riding toward you, in their own lane, and you didn’t move? Why did you “play chicken” with the biker who again was doing exactly the correct thing? You forced the biker off the road when you could’ve taken a couple of steps onto your own side? :confused:

The biker is not necessarily correct. The OP stated only that he was "walking on a path" (NOT "on a walking path). It did not specify if this was a walking/bike path like the areas south of 44, or a MMP. The difference is critical to the story and which party is "right".

[Gerrir]

Multi modal paths are just what the term means… all forms of traffic … walking… biking…golf carts…mechanical chairs…. Slow down to accommodate one another and pull aside when you have to. Many visitors don’t know any ‘rules’. Be cautious. No one wants to be a victim.

[bobeaston]

Walk against the traffic, ride with the traffic. That said, you need to be on the lookout for everybody.
And I don't play chicken with anyone, too many nutjobs out there.

Perfect answer. The bicyclist was wrong, and an a--hole as well.

Everyone needs to SEE who or what is about to run them down.

In memory of my high school friend, Ralph, who never saw what hit him. It didn't matter if he was on a road, a sidewalk, or a multi-modal path, so stop the stupid quibbling about where one walks. Ralph's dead!

[srswans]

What does a sidewalk imply? I was always under the impression that you shouldn't be riding a bicycle on a "sidewalk". I believe the paths harboring walkers, bikers and golf carts are multi Modal paths. If I see a golf cart on the path, then I walk to face it. If the next vehicle I see is a bicycle, I expect that to be traveling in the right lane as the golf cart was. I would be on the same side facing it.

In Florida, bicyclists are allowed to ride on sidewalks.

[glsatterlee]

Bikes are traffic, that’s why they can drive on the road. Also a 200 pound man on a 75 pound motorized electric bike going 25 mph can hit you from behind and kill you. Take your choice, left or right. Your life is in your hands. Not the biker’s.

[dhdallas]

This has come up before but the other morning while walking on a path (facing potential traffic) a gentleman on a bicycle decided to play chicken to see if I would move. When he finally pulled on the grass he informed I'm to walk with traffic. I explained that ever since I was run over by a bicycle with stiches to show for it I will face traffic when possible. We agreed to disagree.

Out of curiosity I did a Google search for pedestrian regulations in Florida. In turns out that in 2022 Florida state regulations, 316.130; Pedestrians; traffic regulations it clearly states if there is not a sidewalk when walking along a road the pedestrian is to walk on the left side facing traffic which may approach from the opposite direction.

I guess you can quibble as to what makes a road or highway but for me if anything with wheels is on that surface I'm on the left side. Walking on the right side with carts and bicycles coming behind me is like trusting everyone in a roundabout to stay in their lane! Below is a link to the regulations.

Statutes & Constitution
:View Statutes
:

Online Sunshine (http://www.leg.state.fl.us/statutes/index.cfm?App_mode=Display_Statute&URL=0300-0399/0316/Sections/0316.130.html)

It is bicyclists like that who give us all a bad name. As a cyclist I would rather have walkers facing me. Too many walkers have ear buds in or are hard of hearing and do not hear me call out when I am approaching from behind.

[jimkerr]

This has come up before but the other morning while walking on a path (facing potential traffic) a gentleman on a bicycle decided to play chicken to see if I would move. When he finally pulled on the grass he informed I'm to walk with traffic. I explained that ever since I was run over by a bicycle with stiches to show for it I will face traffic when possible. We agreed to disagree.

Out of curiosity I did a Google search for pedestrian regulations in Florida. In turns out that in 2022 Florida state regulations, 316.130; Pedestrians; traffic regulations it clearly states if there is not a sidewalk when walking along a road the pedestrian is to walk on the left side facing traffic which may approach from the opposite direction.

I guess you can quibble as to what makes a road or highway but for me if anything with wheels is on that surface I'm on the left side. Walking on the right side with carts and bicycles coming behind me is like trusting everyone in a roundabout to stay in their lane! Below is a link to the regulations.

Statutes & Constitution
:View Statutes
:

Online Sunshine (http://www.leg.state.fl.us/statutes/index.cfm?App_mode=Display_Statute&URL=0300-0399/0316/Sections/0316.130.html)

You were right. He was wrong.

[dtennent]

A Drivers Ed teacher that I had in high school used to say “You can be right, just don’t be dead right.” Just like in defensive driving, walkers should think defensively when on any path that has other modes of transportation.

[MX rider]

I've been running for 41 years. Always face traffic of any sort. When I run on the MM paths I always stay left. I want to see whats coming. Sidewalks are a different animal. I stay on the right, most runners/walkers I see do the same.

[Daxdog]

This has come up before but the other morning while walking on a path (facing potential traffic) a gentleman on a bicycle decided to play chicken to see if I would move. When he finally pulled on the grass he informed I'm to walk with traffic. I explained that ever since I was run over by a bicycle with stiches to show for it I will face traffic when possible. We agreed to disagree.

Out of curiosity I did a Google search for pedestrian regulations in Florida. In turns out that in 2022 Florida state regulations, 316.130; Pedestrians; traffic regulations it clearly states if there is not a sidewalk when walking along a road the pedestrian is to walk on the left side facing traffic which may approach from the opposite direction.

I guess you can quibble as to what makes a road or highway but for me if anything with wheels is on that surface I'm on the left side. Walking on the right side with carts and bicycles coming behind me is like trusting everyone in a roundabout to stay in their lane! Below is a link to the regulations.

Statutes & Constitution
:View Statutes
:

Online Sunshine (http://www.leg.state.fl.us/statutes/index.cfm?App_mode=Display_Statute&URL=0300-0399/0316/Sections/0316.130.html)

I see a lot of people walk in the golf cart lane even when there is a sidewalk.

[ThirdOfFive]

I disagree with your characterisation of the cyclist. He is definitely not a gentleman. Oh, and he was wrong.
True, on all points.

A fair number of people who live in TV walk (and drive) in contravention to Florida law: not so many now as during snowbird season. I don't walk or bike on paths designed just for that traffic, but when I'm walking on an MMP you can be goldurned sure that I'm walking on the LEFT. The way some people drive those golf carts, I want to see what is coming as far in advance as possible.

[EVH234591]

Walk facing the traffic. Bikes are considered as vehicles.

[Bill14564]

Walk facing the traffic. Bikes are considered as vehicles.

Vehicles are not allowed on sidewalks - bikes are.
Vehicles are not allowed on the walking paths in the Fenney area - bikes are.
Vehicles are allowed on the turnpike - bikes are not.

Be predictable: Walk facing motor vehicle traffic, including 500lb golf carts, and walk on the right on sidewalks and walking trails.

[karenzeee]

My practice is if there is motorized vehicle traffic I walk against the traffic, if it's just walkers and bicycles I walk with traffic. I expect a cyclist coming up behind me to say "on your left". I said that to a walker the other day though and he went left in front of me. Claimed he hadn't had his coffee yet. :laugh:

I always walk against motorized traffic and on paths that allow bikes. I don't trust anyone in a car or on a bike behind me. Most bikers do say, on your left, but I have had a few almost run me over! :ohdear: No thanks! I want to see what is coming at me at all times.

[DavidK]

This is a great thread that discusses legal and safe ways to walk on the cart roads. I would like to add a note about the few walkers who walk as a couple, side by side, and do not yield to oncoming vehicles. There are certainly many who walk single file when a vehicle approaches but there is an occasional couple who must feel they can walk side by side and the cart must negotiate passing them. Common sense would indicate that the walkers ought to briefly move to single file and the cart should slow down to safely pass the oncoming walkers. Normally there is plenty of room for all walkers, bikers, and carts but be very careful when the path splits and there is an island of trees and shrubs dividing and narrowing the path. If everyone shares the road with safety and courtesy in mind, all will be better off.

[Glowfromminnesota]

Agree. I like seeing what is coming my way for sure.

[RICH1]

CONSIDER THAT A WARNING … it’s a Dry Run for SNOWBIRDS

OP you have been Blessed with patience…

[wawriwwawriw]

This has come up before but the other morning while walking on a path (facing potential traffic) a gentleman on a bicycle decided to play chicken to see if I would move. When he finally pulled on the grass he informed I'm to walk with traffic. I explained that ever since I was run over by a bicycle with stiches to show for it I will face traffic when possible. We agreed to disagree.

Out of curiosity I did a Google search for pedestrian regulations in Florida. In turns out that in 2022 Florida state regulations, 316.130; Pedestrians; traffic regulations it clearly states if there is not a sidewalk when walking along a road the pedestrian is to walk on the left side facing traffic which may approach from the opposite direction.

I guess you can quibble as to what makes a road or highway but for me if anything with wheels is on that surface I'm on the left side. Walking on the right side with carts and bicycles coming behind me is like trusting everyone in a roundabout to stay in their lane! Below is a link to the regulations.

Statutes & Constitution
:View Statutes
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Online Sunshine (http://www.leg.state.fl.us/statutes/index.cfm?App_mode=Display_Statute&URL=0300-0399/0316/Sections/0316.130.html)

I Walk for over two hours each morning. I face the traffic. Thanks to that I saved myself of been run over twice by distracted gulf cart driver.

[bobeaston]

This is a great thread that discusses legal and safe ways to walk on the cart roads. (...snip...) Normally there is plenty of room for all walkers, bikers, and carts but be very careful when the path splits and there is an island of trees and shrubs dividing and narrowing the path. If everyone shares the road with safety and courtesy in mind, all will be better off.

This kind of "normally" works in most cases. Yet, the lady walking along "with traffic" on a multimodal path near Citrus Grove yesterday, WHILE yacking on her phone, had no clue that the cart which passed within 4 inches of her elbow was in too much of a hurry to get around her than to wait for the oncoming cart. Even after almost getting run down she was completely unaware and kept chattering along.

Walk facing traffic, and be aware of what's happening around you. Listen carefully, and maybe turn down your earbuds enough to hear approaching traffic.

[Steve]

This has come up before but the other morning while walking on a path (facing potential traffic) a gentleman on a bicycle decided to play chicken to see if I would move. When he finally pulled on the grass he informed I'm to walk with traffic. I explained that ever since I was run over by a bicycle with stiches to show for it I will face traffic when possible. We agreed to disagree.

Out of curiosity I did a Google search for pedestrian regulations in Florida. In turns out that in 2022 Florida state regulations, 316.130; Pedestrians; traffic regulations it clearly states if there is not a sidewalk when walking along a road the pedestrian is to walk on the left side facing traffic which may approach from the opposite direction.

I guess you can quibble as to what makes a road or highway but for me if anything with wheels is on that surface I'm on the left side. Walking on the right side with carts and bicycles coming behind me is like trusting everyone in a roundabout to stay in their lane! Below is a link to the regulations.

Statutes & Constitution
:View Statutes
:

Online Sunshine (http://www.leg.state.fl.us/statutes/index.cfm?App_mode=Display_Statute&URL=0300-0399/0316/Sections/0316.130.html)

The whole idea is to be able to react to a vehicle which may cause harm to you. If you're facing the traffic you can see it coming and take evasive action, if necessary. If you're walking WITH the traffic a vehicle, especially a quiet electric golf cart, can come up behind you, strike you and you'll never know what hit you.

As for the guy who told you otherwise, he's an example of why here in The Villages you have to have eyes in the back of your head. Too people do not know "The Rules of the Road".

[Papa_lecki]

The safest place to walk in The Villages is the Championship golf courses, just stay in the middle of the fairway. No one is every there.

[Jeanne wilson]

It's not "on your left" it's "PASSING on your left".

[Bill14564]

It's not "on your left" it's "PASSING on your left".

Important to avoid confusion with:
Overtaking on your left (I guess that's the same thing)
I am on your left (okay, same thing again)
Alligator on your left
Sinkhole on your left
Attractive Villager on your left (yeah, it's a stretch)

But maybe all of those can be shortened to "on your left" which is quick to say and easy to comprehend.

[Jeanne wilson]

E-Bikes do not go faster than 20 mph, it's the law that they are set to have a top speed of 20.

[tophcfa]

The safest place to walk in The Villages is the Championship golf courses, just stay in the middle of the fairway. No one is every there.

I think a green on an Executive course might be even safer?

[Bill14564]

E-Bikes do not go faster than 20 mph, it's the law that they are set to have a top speed of 20.

Class 3 e-bikes have a top speed of 28mph. (See FL law 316.003(22)(c) and 316.20655)

[Mcnuke]

As a Bicyclist; I like seeing the eyes of the walkers I approach. They can see me moving over to give them room & Vice-versa.

When the walker(s) are in the same direction to me; I’m never sure they hear me, or if they will be startled.

Dogs on leashes are a another factor too. Fito can bring down a cyclist Quickly.

[ThirdOfFive]

"E-Bikes do not go faster than 20 mph, it's the law that they are set to have a top speed of 20."

Yeah. Carts, too. But how often is THAT IGNORED?

[ohioshooter]

I only walk on designated walking/biking paths, not on roads. I don't care which side of the path you walk on, you still don't know what the person coming up behind you is going to do. Now I'm done with this discussion.

[Kenswing]

E-Bikes do not go faster than 20 mph, it's the law that they are set to have a top speed of 20.
In theory that might be true but I've been passed in my golf cart by an electric bike doing well over 20mph.

[mikeycereal]

A Drivers Ed teacher that I had in high school used to say “You can be right, just don’t be dead right.” Just like in defensive driving, walkers should think defensively when on any path that has other modes of transportation.

My dad told us this when we were kids re: walking in a crosswalk. Said we should be aware of drivers when in one. I still use the phrase where applicable.

As for walking in the villages (or anywhere really) I'm always looking around, not staring down into a phone. If I happen to bring my phone (optional) and have to answer a text, I'll step off the road somewhere.

[ohioshooter]

"E-Bikes do not go faster than 20 mph, it's the law that they are set to have a top speed of 20."

Yeah. Carts, too. But how often is THAT IGNORED?

There are 3 classes of E-bikes. Class 1 has a top speed of 20mph and no throttle. Class 2 has a top speed of 20mph and a throttle. Class 3 has a throttle and will easily exceed 20mph. I know, I have one.

[toeser]

This has come up before but the other morning while walking on a path (facing potential traffic) a gentleman on a bicycle decided to play chicken to see if I would move. When he finally pulled on the grass he informed I'm to walk with traffic. I explained that ever since I was run over by a bicycle with stiches to show for it I will face traffic when possible. We agreed to disagree.

Out of curiosity I did a Google search for pedestrian regulations in Florida. In turns out that in 2022 Florida state regulations, 316.130; Pedestrians; traffic regulations it clearly states if there is not a sidewalk when walking along a road the pedestrian is to walk on the left side facing traffic which may approach from the opposite direction.

I guess you can quibble as to what makes a road or highway but for me if anything with wheels is on that surface I'm on the left side. Walking on the right side with carts and bicycles coming behind me is like trusting everyone in a roundabout to stay in their lane! Below is a link to the regulations.

Statutes & Constitution
:View Statutes
:

Online Sunshine (http://www.leg.state.fl.us/statutes/index.cfm?App_mode=Display_Statute&URL=0300-0399/0316/Sections/0316.130.html)


As a really avid bike rider, I'm sorry you encountered this jerk. Those of us who try to ride politely don't need people like him creating bad attitudes towards us.

[toeser]

There are 3 classes of E-bikes. Class 1 has a top speed of 20mph and no throttle. Class 2 has a top speed of 20mph and a throttle. Class 3 has a throttle and will easily exceed 20mph. I know, I have one.

I have hit 31 on mine, but that was with some really aggressively peddling and I probably couldn't maintain that for more than two blocks.

[golfing eagles]

I see a lot of people walk in the golf cart lane even when there is a sidewalk.

Which is in direct violation of Florida statute 316.130 sec 2 and a pedestrian can be cited for it.

[jimjamuser]

This has come up before but the other morning while walking on a path (facing potential traffic) a gentleman on a bicycle decided to play chicken to see if I would move. When he finally pulled on the grass he informed I'm to walk with traffic. I explained that ever since I was run over by a bicycle with stiches to show for it I will face traffic when possible. We agreed to disagree.

Out of curiosity I did a Google search for pedestrian regulations in Florida. In turns out that in 2022 Florida state regulations, 316.130; Pedestrians; traffic regulations it clearly states if there is not a sidewalk when walking along a road the pedestrian is to walk on the left side facing traffic which may approach from the opposite direction.

I guess you can quibble as to what makes a road or highway but for me if anything with wheels is on that surface I'm on the left side. Walking on the right side with carts and bicycles coming behind me is like trusting everyone in a roundabout to stay in their lane! Below is a link to the regulations.

Statutes & Constitution
:View Statutes
:

Online Sunshine (http://www.leg.state.fl.us/statutes/index.cfm?App_mode=Display_Statute&URL=0300-0399/0316/Sections/0316.130.html)
When I walk on the MM paths, I walk to the far left, then when ANY vehicle ( bicycle or golf cart) approaches me, I step off onto the grass. Since I am trying to ENJOY my walk, I have ZERO desire to prove some ill defined point and "play chicken". That would just make 2 people NOT enjoy their time on the path.

[Bonsai Golfer]

It is only common sense. Walk on the left, whether road or MMP, so that you can see traffic coming toward you and move or get out of the way if someone has a medical emergency, is inattentive or looses control. While it doesn't guarantee you will not be hit it improves your chances. If you walk with traffic, you don't know if anyone coming up behind your sees you or is capable of controling their vehicle or bike. It is SAFER on the left side and that's what it's all about.

A couple of years ago a woman was killed in TVs when walking in the road with traffic. I don't remember if it was a car or golf cart but it makes no difference. She didn't see it coming and was killed!

[jimjamuser]

E-Bikes do not go faster than 20 mph, it's the law that they are set to have a top speed of 20.
There are E-bikes that can do 70 MPH. Of course they cost $ 30,000 so you don't see TOO many of those around. Many affordable E-bikes can go 30 or 35 MPH. And there are a lot like that in TV Land.

[JMintzer]

Important to avoid confusion with:
Overtaking on your left (I guess that's the same thing)
I am on your left (okay, same thing again)
Alligator on your left
Sinkhole on your left
Attractive Villager on your left (yeah, it's a stretch)

But maybe all of those can be shortened to "on your left" which is quick to say and easy to comprehend.

I side with Captain America...

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[juddfl]

Walk facing traffic. I learned that at golf cart safety glasses held in in The Villages many years ago. I know 2 friends that were walking on the bath in the same direction as bikes and golf carts. An electric golf cart went to pass them and at that exact moment the one lady stretched her arm out and the golf cart hit it. Electric carts are very quiet and she never heard it coming up behind her.
Thank goodness it was not broken but it was badly bruised. Again, walk facing traffic so you can see what is coming toward you.

[ohioshooter]

Walk facing traffic. Electric carts are very quiet and she never heard it coming up behind her.


Please explain to me how walking facing traffic would have kept this from happening.

[Laker14]

Please explain to me how walking facing traffic would have kept this from happening.

if she had been facing traffic she could have seen it coming and stepped to the left, out of the way of the electric bike that hit her. Since she was walking with traffic, she could not see behind her, and had to rely on sound. She couldn't hear the electric bike, so she didn't have the warning she needed to take evasive action.

[ohioshooter]

if she had been facing traffic she could have seen it coming and stepped to the left, out of the way of the electric bike that hit her. Since she was walking with traffic, she could not see behind her, and had to rely on sound. She couldn't hear the electric bike, so she didn't have the warning she needed to take evasive action.

I’m done.

[Laker14]

Walk facing traffic. I learned that at golf cart safety glasses held in in The Villages many years ago. I know 2 friends that were walking on the bath in the same direction as bikes and golf carts. An electric golf cart went to pass them and at that exact moment the one lady stretched her arm out and the golf cart hit it. Electric carts are very quiet and she never heard it coming up behind her.
Thank goodness it was not broken but it was badly bruised. Again, walk facing traffic so you can see what is coming toward you.

Please explain to me how walking facing traffic would have kept this from happening.

if she had been facing traffic she could have seen it coming and stepped to the left, out of the way of the electric bike that hit her. Since she was walking with traffic, she could not see behind her, and had to rely on sound. She couldn't hear the electric bike, so she didn't have the warning she needed to take evasive action.

I’m done.

Am I missing something here? Perhaps you can stick around long enough to explain how walking with one's back to the nearly silent electric bike doesn't make one more vulnerable?

[fdpaq0580]

I’m done.

Thought you were done in post 54. You came back in #57. Now you say your done. I think you will be back, even if it's only to tell me to jump in the lake. 😄

[Oldragbagger]

There are E-bikes that can do 70 MPH. Of course they cost $ 30,000 so you don't see TOO many of those around. Many affordable E-bikes can go 30 or 35 MPH. And there are a lot like that in TV Land.

These are the three classes of Ebikes. Not sure where those 70 mph bikes fit in.

CLASS I EBIKES
Class I eBike use a battery and electric motor to provide assistance at up to 20 MPH when the rider is pedaling (pedal assist). Class I eBikes can go faster than 20 MPH, for example, when going downhill, but the electric motor will stop providing assistance once 20 MPH is reached.

EBikes with throttles can turn on the electric motor and propel the bike without the rider pedaling. Class I eBikes cannot have a throttle - they can only provide assistance when the rider is pedaling.

CLASS II EBIKES
Class II eBike work in two ways. First, the electric motor provides assistance at up to 20 MPH when the rider is pedaling, just like a Class I eBike. Second, Class II eBikes include a throttle, which can go up to 20 MPH without the rider pedaling.

This flexibility is ideal for many riders. On a Class II eBike, the rider can pedal for fun, exercise, and fitness, but retain the ability to use the throttle for help when desired without pedaling - like getting over a challenging hill.

Class II eBikes cannot be used in some regions. Off-road trail riding locations, like mountain bike trails, often permit only Class I eBikes. Class II eBikes with throttles cannot be used.

CLASS III EBIKES
Class III eBikes provide pedal assist at up to 28 MPH. These more powerful electric bicycles are capable of higher speeds than their Class I and Class II peers.

You’ll notice that some Class III eBikes have a throttle, and others do not. When Class III eBikes include a throttle, they are usually limited to 20 MPH maximum speed on throttle (even though the bike can go faster when the rider is pedaling). The Denago City Model 1 Series EBike falls into this category - up to 28 MPH on pedal assist, and up to 20 MPH on throttle.

[Toymeister]

These are the three classes of Ebikes. Not sure where those 70 mph bikes fit in.

CLASS I EBIKES
Class I eBike use a battery and electric motor to provide assistance at up to 20 MPH when the rider is pedaling (pedal assist). Class I eBikes can go faster than 20 MPH, for example, when going downhill, but the electric motor will stop providing assistance once 20 MPH is reached.

EBikes with throttles can turn on the electric motor and propel the bike without the rider pedaling. Class I eBikes cannot have a throttle - they can only provide assistance when the rider is pedaling.

CLASS II EBIKES
Class II eBike work in two ways. First, the electric motor provides assistance at up to 20 MPH when the rider is pedaling, just like a Class I eBike. Second, Class II eBikes include a throttle, which can go up to 20 MPH without the rider pedaling.

This flexibility is ideal for many riders. On a Class II eBike, the rider can pedal for fun, exercise, and fitness, but retain the ability to use the throttle for help when desired without pedaling - like getting over a challenging hill.

Class II eBikes cannot be used in some regions. Off-road trail riding locations, like mountain bike trails, often permit only Class I eBikes. Class II eBikes with throttles cannot be used.

CLASS III EBIKES
Class III eBikes provide pedal assist at up to 28 MPH. These more powerful electric bicycles are capable of higher speeds than their Class I and Class II peers.

You’ll notice that some Class III eBikes have a throttle, and others do not. When Class III eBikes include a throttle, they are usually limited to 20 MPH maximum speed on throttle (even though the bike can go faster when the rider is pedaling). The Denago City Model 1 Series EBike falls into this category - up to 28 MPH on pedal assist, and up to 20 MPH on throttle.

The three classes were invented California regulators. The Federal government has the overarching standard of what is an electric bicycle. They set this standard, just as they do for golf carts, motorcycles and automobiles, to define what, exactly, can operate on roadways.

The standard for e-bike falls under the Consumer Product Safety Commission. The CPSC standard is under part 16 of the Code of Federal Regulations. It is less than 750 watts, capable of producing less than one horsepower. There are no 'classes' of ebikes under this standard, although some Federal agencies have adopted them for trail riding (National Parks, etc.).

Some states and municipalities regulate ebikes by class, Florida isn't one of them at the state level (to my knowledge). In fact, Governor DeSantis has signed into law protections for ebikes.

No state defines how the wattage output is measured.

The seventy mph "bicycle' is an electric motorcycle by any standard.

The 'glitch' in the Federal definition is what, precisely, is 750 watts? Is is: peak, continuous, nominal? As in all Federal regulations if it is not defined and more than one definition is possible by a reasonable person then it is that definition.

So, how does this play into ebikes? The cheapest ones claim 750 watts but that is only at peak, aka momentary, output they are over rated. While the most expensive models effectively under rate their motor. There are also massive market realities in play here as well. Speed requires humongous batteries that are expensive and heavy.

Is all lost in this regulatory twilight zone? No. Just as a 500hp sports car is not five times as fast as a 100 hp economy box there are mechanical imitations in play

[Bill14564]

...

Some states and municipalities regulate ebikes by class, Florida isn't one of them at the state level (to my knowledge). In fact, Governor DeSantis has signed into law protections for ebikes.

...

Florida does not regulate by class but they do recognize the three classes in 316.003(22). The section that gives ebikes the same rights as "regular" bicycles is 316.20655.

[Toymeister]

Toymeister: Florida does not regulate ebikes by class.

Bill14: Florida does not regulate ebikes by class.

One can easily see why posting helpful, informative posts is generally a waste of time.

[Bill14564]

Toymeister: I am telling you this is the way things are
Bill: Here are the actual Florida statutes that make things the way they are

If everything that was asserted on ToTV was taken as law we would be in big trouble.

But I agree, given a half dozen of the recent post, post #51 seems to have been a waste of time.

[Dusty_Star]

Walk facing the traffic. That is the only way to see them coming.