Trouble With the Curve

[Oldragbagger]

There are lots of discussions currently about rights of way on the paths so I thought I would add this situation to the conversation.

My husband and I cycle the multi modal paths daily and occasionally it happens that a golf cart will pull out to pass us in a blind curve. We certainly understand your desire to pass us. Who wants to be stuck behind a bicycle going 13 mph, right? But every time it happens I get knots in my stomach knowing that if that cart encounters traffic coming his way as they round that curve they are going to have to quickly pull back into their own lane, which means right into us. We always ride single file and as close to the right as possible but it still might not allow enough room for us and the cart in the same lane especially if the cart driver is over reacting due to being startled by the oncoming traffic. Sure enough that very thing happened to my husband a couple of days ago. He had to slam on his brakes hard enough to almost topple him over. Fortunately he narrowly missed getting hit by the golf cart.

So, I am asking, respectfully, these are lives at stake out there on the path, and most of us are on the path for recreational purposes, not because of any life and death need to be somewhere quickly. In an encounter between a cart and a bike the bike is sure to lose, and possibly in the most tragic of ways. The amount of time it takes to get around a curve to the point where you have a clear line of sight of traffic in the oncoming lane isn’t going to be a life changer for anyone, but it could be for the person on the bike.

Thanks for reading.

[Toymeister]

The mistake that you are making is riding single file. On a pedestrian path you should ride abreast. In this way a cart must pull out into the opposing lane to safely pass. Now, you could, and perhaps should, only do this on blind curves. Once a cart driver is forced to place themselves in danger, and not you, the dynamics change dramatically for them.

Of course there is no changing the rudeness or perhaps entitlement of some cart drivers.

[mikeycereal]

Last Saturday morning heading to Brownwood on my cart, I witnessed another cart 20 feet in front of me do that around a bicycle on Brownwood bridge. Couldn't believe the cart guy did that on a blind curve, solid line on a bridge. He got in front of the bike but narrowly missed carts coming the opposite way.

[Davonu]

Single file is usually fine. Except on a blind curve, you should move toward the center of the path instead of staying on the right. Then when sight distance is good again you move back to the right.

Works for me. :)

[coralway]

it's every man, and woman, for themselves. There are no set rules - and if there are, nobody seems to follow them. Everyone pretty much does whatever is convenient for them

[ThirdOfFive]

it's every man, and woman, for themselves. There are no set rules - and if there are, nobody seems to follow them. Everyone pretty much does whatever is convenient for them
It might seem that way at times, but in truth I think that the reason the boors and the churls among us are worthy of mention is because of their relative rarity. If everyone did it, no one would give it a second thought.

[Garywt]

Just like there are bad car drives, there are bad cart drivers as well. One needs to imagine if it would be a solid line or dashed line and drive accordingly. When I pass a bike I need to see a clear path that gives me time to pass safely. I pull completely into the other lane to give the biker plenty of space. The same thing for when we are traveling on a street and come up to a bike. Doesn’t hurt anyone is we are “stuck” behind a bike for an extra 100 yards or so. Be safe.

[golfing eagles]

There are lots of discussions currently about rights of way on the paths so I thought I would add this situation to the conversation.

My husband and I cycle the multi modal paths daily and occasionally it happens that a golf cart will pull out to pass us in a blind curve. We certainly understand your desire to pass us. Who wants to be stuck behind a bicycle going 13 mph, right? But every time it happens I get knots in my stomach knowing that if that cart encounters traffic coming his way as they round that curve they are going to have to quickly pull back into their own lane, which means right into us. We always ride single file and as close to the right as possible but it still might not allow enough room for us and the cart in the same lane especially if the cart driver is over reacting due to being startled by the oncoming traffic. Sure enough that very thing happened to my husband a couple of days ago. He had to slam on his brakes hard enough to almost topple him over. Fortunately he narrowly missed getting hit by the golf cart.

So, I am asking, respectfully, these are lives at stake out there on the path, and most of us are on the path for recreational purposes, not because of any life and death need to be somewhere quickly. In an encounter between a cart and a bike the bike is sure to lose, and possibly in the most tragic of ways. The amount of time it takes to get around a curve to the point where you have a clear line of sight of traffic in the oncoming lane isn’t going to be a life changer for anyone, but it could be for the person on the bike.

Thanks for reading.

Momma always said "stupid is as stupid does"

[Trayderjoe]

The mistake that you are making is riding single file. On a pedestrian path you should ride abreast. In this way a cart must pull out into the opposing lane to safely pass. Now, you could, and perhaps should, only do this on blind curves. Once a cart driver is forced to place themselves in danger, and not you, the dynamics change dramatically for them.

Of course there is no changing the rudeness or perhaps entitlement of some cart drivers.

I would respectfully disagree. I too ride a bike and get passed going into, as well as in, blind curves by golf cart drivers and I am not a slow rider. This usually happens on the multi modal paths on Buena Vista. There have been multiple times that I have had to hit my brakes each time I saw a potential head on collision as the idiot in a rush has every single time suddenly swerved to his right to avoid the head on but with no care about where I am. I have even been passed on my left, while signaling a left turn, just before the downhill to the tunnel under Buena Vista that takes you to the Miona Rec Center. I swerved right just in time to avoid being hit by the idiot and went into the grass.

Do I think behaviors of these idiots will change? Heck no, but I will always bike defensively.

[Toymeister]

I would respectfully disagree. I too ride a bike and get passed going into, as well as in, blind curves by golf cart drivers and I am not a slow rider. This usually happens on the multi modal paths on Buena Vista. There have been multiple times that I have had to hit my brakes each time I saw a potential head on collision as the idiot in a rush has every single time suddenly swerved to his right to avoid the head on but with no care about where I am. I have even been passed on my left, while signaling a left turn, just before the downhill to the tunnel under Buena Vista that takes you to the Miona Rec Center. I swerved right just in time to avoid being hit by the idiot and went into the grass.

Do I think behaviors of these idiots will change? Heck no, but I will always bike defensively.

We are essentially saying the same thing. Carts will frequently cut into your lane over getting back into their own. The difference between 'taking your lane' vice staying to the extreme right is less carts will encroach into ('share') your lane. The reason is less will try to pass or hesitate and see an oncoming cart. This minimizes the number of carts that try the dangerous passing on curves.

As evidence of the safety of this practice I submit this is exactly what cyclists riding in a group do. If you haven't ridden with a group you might be surprised how much communication and coordination is going on while this is happening.

I also ride a great deal (5,000 miles annually) and I find this works well. Cart drivers as a group are far less courteous than auto drivers.

[VApeople]

My husband and I cycle the multi modal paths daily.

Wow, you are more brave than we are.

We live north of Route 44. We bought a bike carrier and take our bikes down to Citrus Grove or Bradford or St. Catherine, where there are miles of nice walking/biking paths where we never have to worry about golf carts.

[Oldragbagger]

Thanks all for the replies and suggestions. We have been riding all our adult lives and have always ridden single file and to the right unless moving left for a left turn, but I think the idea of “taking the lane” in the curves is worth a try. I can see how it might make the cart driver think twice if they have to entirely leave their lane to pass.

[Oldragbagger]

Wow, you are more brave than we are.

We live north of Route 44. We bought a bike carrier and take our bikes down to Citrus Grove or Bradford or St. Catherine, where there are miles of nice walking/biking paths where we never have to worry about golf carts.

I live down south (Hawkins). It happens down here too. We ride the pedestrian/ bike paths too but it is not unusual for us to ride 25 miles in a day and you can’t really do that without using the multi-modals. People are people everywhere. Most people we meet on the paths (north and south) are safe, courteous, and friendly. But one person carelessly putting someone else’s life at risk is one too many and we have encountered a few.

[golfing eagles]

Thanks all for the replies and suggestions. We have been riding all our adult lives and have always ridden single file and to the right unless moving left for a left turn, but I think the idea of “taking the lane” in the curves is worth a try. I can see how it might make the cart driver think twice if they have to entirely leave their lane to pass.

Might very well work. Now, any suggestions as to how we can get cyclists to think twice about all the crap they pull on the roads and MMP's?????

[VApeople]

But one person carelessly putting someone else’s life at risk is one too many and we have encountered a few.

That is an odd sentence.

You say that "one person carelessly putting someone else’s life at risk is one too many", and then you say that "we have encountered a few".

Well, if you have "encountered a few" of these careless people, then that means you should not be riding your bikes where you are now.

Maybe try going on some of the biking trails that have replaced the old unused railroad lines. I think you can ride uninterrupted for a long way on the trail south of us near the town of Mabel.

[Oldragbagger]

That is an odd sentence.

You say that "one person carelessly putting someone else’s life at risk is one too many", and then you say that "we have encountered a few".

Well, if you have "encountered a few" of these careless people, then that means you should not be riding your bikes where you are now.

Maybe try going on some of the biking trails that have replaced the old unused railroad lines. I think you can ride uninterrupted for a long way on the trail south of us near the town of Mabel.

The availability of the paths are the primary reason we moved to The Villages, so that we could ride out our front door and have access to paths that would not require us riding on the roads with cars, and also didn’t require us loading our bikes up and driving somewhere. We ride every day. Some people come for the golf, some for the entertainment. We came for the cycling. We are not the only ones. I have heard from many other cyclists who moved here for the same reason. They are called multi-modal paths (not cart paths) for a reason. And why does it make more sense for us to ride someplace else than it does for carts to exercise a bit of common sense by not trying to pass another vehicle/person in a blind curve, whether it’s a bike, a walker, or another cart.

[TrapX]

Replace the words "bicycles" with "motorcycle".
Replace the words "golf carts" with "automobile".
Replace the word "paths" with "roads".
Same exact things happen daily to motorcyclists. Oddly, most people blame the motorcyclist. Stereotypical "it's not my fault" or "blame the other thing" comments abound.
Bottom line, look out for yourself. Be defensive so. You don't want on your tombstone "but I had the right of way!"

[mike234]

you are absolutely right. and for every aggravating cyclist you encounter, and every left lane driver you encounter, there is one waiting ahead for you to encounter....I just do what I have to do, and not even give it a second thought....

[PersonOfInterest]

The MM paths seem to be a dangerous place to ride a bicycle or to walk. Since Bicycles can ride on the streets I wonder why so many bicyclists ride the MM paths. Wouldn't it be easier to ride the streets where all you have to deal with are the vehicles rather than carts and pedestrians? Same thing for walkers. In the south there are dedicated walking paths. It would seem easier to walk the walking paths where you don't have to deal with carts.

[golfing eagles]

you are absolutely right. and for every aggravating cyclist you encounter, and every left lane driver you encounter, there is one waiting ahead for you to encounter....I just do what I have to do, and not even give it a second thought....

So true.
Overall, I have found cyclists to be generally courteous and safety minded, and there is no question they would get the short end of the stick in any accident.

That being said, there are SOME cyclists, NOT ALL, NOT A MAJORITY, but SOME that have this "holier than thou attitude". They believe everything that they and their fellow cyclists do is right, and everything that pedestrians, cart and car drivers is wrong. They feel they are the self appointed guardians of the roads and MMPs, and want to cram THEIR VERSION of the rules of the road down everyone else's throat. They put dash cams on their bikes in the hopes of catching someone doing something wrong. They know every little law that applies to how other vehicles have to behave in regard to cyclists, and then go willy-nilly blowing through stop and yield signs, both individually and in packs, forcing other vehicles to jam on their brakes. They claim it is "inconvenient" to stop because of toe clips. What if every vehicle on the road just blew through stop signs? What if cars and trucks decided it was "inconvenient to stop? Answer---demolition derby, so why does this MINORITY of cyclists think they are so special that they can ignore traffic laws while demanding everyone else obey every letter of them. If you blow your horn you get a one-finger salute because in their own narrow view of the roads THEY are always right and YOU are always wrong.

I make this rant only because 3 times in the last 2 weeks, a pack of cyclists blew through the yield signs entering a RB as if they were one entity and I had to brake and/or switch lanes rapidly to avoid them. Just because they are @h0l3s doesn't mean they should get a death sentence.

But to the overwhelming majority of cyclists, serious or recreational, who are courteous and not militant, I'm sorry these few give you a bad rep. Happy Trails.

[admiral72]

This is not a situation that only happens on paths. It has happened many times when I was riding on the roads and the car behind wanted to pass when there was an oncoming car meeting us. I consider this the most dangerous situation I encounter on a regular basis. The cars will always try and miss each other and the bike is at risk.

The cardinal rule for everyone is that you must always use common sense. The other applicable rule is any vehicle overtaking (attempting to pass) must keep out the way of the one being overtaken.

The key is controlling the vehicle behind you. You cannot control the vehicle that is oncoming. Sometimes I pull out to prevent the pass which is risky and sometimes angers the vehicle attempting to pass but has always worked for me. I get a honk about 25% of the time.

The other thing to do is just pull over and stop and let the car, cart or cyclist pass. It only takes a few seconds.

The same thing can happen when I am overtaking a cyclist. If I cannot see a clear path for a safe pass. I will slow down behind the bike I am overtaking a say I am waiting for a safe place to pass. I do this to make my intentions clear. Some cyclists become nervous when someone is sitting in behind them and, if they start looking around, it could be dangerous. Your bike or cart generally steers in the direction you are looking.

Hope this helps. At all times: Avoid the RISK of a collision.

[VApeople]

And why does it make more sense for us to ride someplace else than it does for carts to exercise a bit of common sense by not trying to pass another vehicle/person in a blind curve, whether it’s a bike, a walker, or another cart.

Because you know that you can't count on cart drivers "to exercise a bit of common sense by not trying to pass another vehicle/person in a blind curve".


The MM paths seem to be a dangerous place to ride a bicycle or to walk.

In the south there are dedicated walking paths. It would seem easier to walk the walking paths where you don't have to deal with carts.

How was a person as intelligent as you ever allowed to join this discussion group? No problem, though. In time, you will probably degenerate to our level.

[Steve]

When this situation occurs you might consider slowing down in order for the cart driver to make the pass more quickly. I do that in my car. If somebody tries to pass on a two-lane road and there is oncoming traffic and I get the sense this is going to be close I back off rather than force this driver, who is either in a hurry or made a serious error in judgement, room to get around me and back into his lane as soon as possible. It sure beats a three-car smash-up.

Let's face it. Driving is a team sport. And the teammates are you and any other driver on the road.

[golfing eagles]

This is not a situation that only happens on paths. It has happened many times when I was riding on the roads and the car behind wanted to pass when there was an oncoming car meeting us. I consider this the most dangerous situation I encounter on a regular basis. The cars will always try and miss each other and the bike is at risk.

The cardinal rule for everyone is that you must always use common sense. The other applicable rule is any vehicle overtaking (attempting to pass) must keep out the way of the one being overtaken.

The key is controlling the vehicle behind you. You cannot control the vehicle that is oncoming. Sometimes I pull out to prevent the pass which is risky and sometimes angers the vehicle attempting to pass but has always worked for me. I get a honk about 25% of the time.

The other thing to do is just pull over and stop and let the car, cart or cyclist pass. It only takes a few seconds.

The same thing can happen when I am overtaking a cyclist. If I cannot see a clear path for a safe pass. I will slow down behind the bike I am overtaking a say I am waiting for a safe place to pass. I do this to make my intentions clear. Some cyclists become nervous when someone is sitting in behind them and, if they start looking around, it could be dangerous. Your bike or cart generally steers in the direction you are looking.

Hope this helps. At all times: Avoid the RISK of a collision.

And that is EXACTLY the attitude I was referring to in a minority of cyclists.

WHO do YOU think YOU are to "control" me. YOU do not get to "control" me. I am responsible for my actions, and YOU are not. I don't give a rat's furry arse that YOU think YOU get to control my actions, YOU DO NOT. And when YOU pull some crap like you described, YOU wonder why a motorist gets p1$$3d off????? I suggest if YOU feel your safety is dependent upon YOU controlling the actions of another, either ride somewhere alone, or go to North Korea and take the place of the "dear leader" so YOU can dictate to everyone else.

PS:. By "you", I am not specifically referring to the poster I quoted, but to the entire minority of militant cyclists who think their excrement smells sweet.

End of rant

[Stanajudy]

Just a thought, when you are riding on the multimodal path and you are aware of a cart behind you that is itching to pass, PULL OVER a and let him pass. It is not worth the risk of staying on the path!

[Oldragbagger]

Just a thought, when you are riding on the multimodal path and you are aware of a cart behind you that is itching to pass, PULL OVER a and let him pass. It is not worth the risk of staying on the path!

Some of the time those blind curves occur in places where there is no place to pull over, such as near tunnels, on bridges, places like BV Blvd where you are sometimes between a wall and another wall.

We often do either slow down or even pull over for carts, especially when we are approaching an area where the path splits and we know the cart driver will not have an opportunity to get around us for awhile. We really do try to be as courteous and safe as we can be. We know we have a responsibility to share the road and look out for, not only ourselves, but everyone else. As I said in my original post, the overwhelming majority of the cart drivers we encounter are safe, courteous, and friendly. (And I agree with others who said that bike riders can be a PIA too. We see those riders that blow through stop signs, through crossings, and in and out of tunnels without even a glance. It makes us as crazy as it makes everyone else.) We try to encourage friendliness with other trail users with a wave, a smile, or a hello. I was only addressing one particular situation, just with the hope that maybe someone who does that and hasn’t given it any thought just might, give it some thought, in the future. It was not my intention to create a bikes vs carts fight. We drive a cart on the paths too so we are often on the other side of it.

[fcgiii]

Just like there are bad car drives, there are bad cart drivers as well. One needs to imagine if it would be a solid line or dashed line and drive accordingly. When I pass a bike I need to see a clear path that gives me time to pass safely. I pull completely into the other lane to give the biker plenty of space. The same thing for when we are traveling on a street and come up to a bike. Doesn’t hurt anyone is we are “stuck” behind a bike for an extra 100 yards or so. Be safe.
And bad bikers too. My wife and I were walking on a walking path and a biker came up behind us, no ringing of the bell or any other warning. My wife unknowingly moved into his path and he struck her, knocking her down and him off his bike. He scrambled back up and biked away. No apology, no checking to see if she was all right.

[BobnBev]

And bad bikers too. My wife and I were walking on a walking path and a biker came up behind us, no ringing of the bell or any other warning. My wife unknowingly moved into his path and he struck her, knocking her down and him off his bike. He scrambled back up and biked away. No apology, no checking to see if she was all right.

Exactly the reason you are supposed to walk facing oncoming traffic.

[Oldragbagger]

And bad bikers too. My wife and I were walking on a walking path and a biker came up behind us, no ringing of the bell or any other warning. My wife unknowingly moved into his path and he struck her, knocking her down and him off his bike. He scrambled back up and biked away. No apology, no checking to see if she was all right.

That’s absolutely horrible. Shame on him. I hope she is alright.

[golfnut]

The MM paths seem to be a dangerous place to ride a bicycle or to walk. Since Bicycles can ride on the streets I wonder why so many bicyclists ride the MM paths. Wouldn't it be easier to ride the streets where all you have to deal with are the vehicles rather than carts and pedestrians? Same thing for walkers. In the south there are dedicated walking paths. It would seem easier to walk the walking paths where you don't have to deal with carts.

Okay so I'm supposed to ride my bicycle in the street and potentially get hit by a 5,000 LB car rather than a 1,000 LB cart, I hadn't thought about it like that, makes a lot of sense. As far as walking paths I don't live in the south so what am I supposed to do?

[Happydaz]

Okay so I'm supposed to ride my bicycle in the street and potentially get hit by a 5,000 LB car rather than a 1,000 LB cart, I hadn't thought about it like that, makes a lot of sense. As far as walking paths I don't live in the south so what am I supposed to do?

Ride wherever it is legal to ride a bike. I ride thousands of miles a year and I prefer riding with the bike club. We ride in groups with rear view mirrors and front and rear lights and we normally only ride on the roads. Bicycling at 17-22 miles an hour on the multimodal paths is not safe for anyone. I do ride with a friend occasionally on the multimodal paths, but at a slower speed and we don’t use many tunnels as they are dangerous, but instead use the roundabouts and then rejoin the path. Do what you like to do. Don’t pay too much attention to what is said here. Be careful and considerate and you should do OK.

[VApeople]

As far as walking paths I don't live in the south so what am I supposed to do?

Get a bike carrier to take your bike to the Southern area.

It cost us about $250 to get a hitch put on our SUV and about $250 for a nice bike area. Now we can drive down to Homestead rec center, go for a long bike ride, and then hop in their new pool.

See, there is a solution for every problem.

[Oldragbagger]

Get a bike carrier to take your bike to the Southern area.

It cost us about $250 to get a hitch put on our SUV and about $250 for a nice bike area. Now we can drive down to Homestead rec center, go for a long bike ride, and then hop in their new pool.

See, there is a solution for every problem.

We live in the southern area. Be that as it may, no one should feel like they have to do that in order to ride their bike in a community where they pay dearly to maintain MULTI modal paths. Those paths are intended for all of us, not just carts. If that is your preference then go for it, but riding out our door and directly onto a path is what attracted us to the Villages and was something that was stressed to us when we mentioned we were cyclists, miles and miles of paths right out our front door.

[Laker14]

We are all vulnerable to idiots. Be careful, be watchful, and try not to be really unlucky.

[VApeople]

We are all vulnerable to idiots. Be careful, be watchful, and try not to be really unlucky.

As I interpret your comment, you are saying that we should accept the realities of life as they are and decide how we should behave to make our lives most enjoyable.

If that is what you are saying, then I agree with you 100%.

If we expect others to behave as we wish, like cart riders being considerate on the MMPs, then that increases the chance of us being, as you say, "really unlucky".

[VApeople]

something that was stressed to us when we mentioned we were cyclists, miles and miles of paths right out our front door.

Who stressed that to you? A realtor? If you had come to this site, we would have warned you how dangerous it is to ride a bike on the MMPs.

Maybe you should have bought a house in Polk City, the biking capital of Florida. That is where the magnificent Van Fleet biking trail starts.

[Davonu]

Who stressed that to you? A realtor? If you had come to this site, we would have warned you how dangerous it is to ride a bike on the MMPs...
What a bunch of hooey!

With some very basic precautions, you are very safe riding a bike on the MMPs. Much more so imo than on a roadway with 40mph (or more) autos passing you constantly.

I’ve been enjoying riding the MMPs for almost 10 years.

[Michread]

We have to share the road on parts of chitty chatty and st Catherine and the carts are making it dangerous.

Please, please wait 2-3 minutes until it is safe to pass!

[frose]

Cars don’t care about carts, carts don’t care about bikes, bikes don’t care about walkers. See it every day. I just cruise along at 20 and watch the fun. On the roads the carts do have a solid white line, that doesn’t mean anything either. Also when there are 20 or 25 bikers riding together it does become tedious. This is a weekend event.

[VApeople]

What a bunch of hooey!

With some very basic precautions, you are very safe riding a bike on the MMPs. Much more so imo than on a roadway with 40mph (or more) autos passing you constantly.

I’ve been enjoying riding the MMPs for almost 10 years.

Obviously, the OP had a different experience and that is why this thread exists.


My husband and I cycle the multi modal paths daily and occasionally it happens that a golf cart will pull out to pass us in a blind curve. We certainly understand your desire to pass us. Who wants to be stuck behind a bicycle going 13 mph, right? But every time it happens I get knots in my stomach knowing that if that cart encounters traffic coming his way as they round that curve they are going to have to quickly pull back into their own lane, which means right into us. We always ride single file and as close to the right as possible but it still might not allow enough room for us and the cart in the same lane especially if the cart driver is over reacting due to being startled by the oncoming traffic. Sure enough that very thing happened to my husband a couple of days ago. He had to slam on his brakes hard enough to almost topple him over. Fortunately he narrowly missed getting hit by the golf cart.

[DAVES]

There are lots of discussions currently about rights of way on the paths so I thought I would add this situation to the conversation.

My husband and I cycle the multi modal paths daily and occasionally it happens that a golf cart will pull out to pass us in a blind curve. We certainly understand your desire to pass us. Who wants to be stuck behind a bicycle going 13 mph, right? But every time it happens I get knots in my stomach knowing that if that cart encounters traffic coming his way as they round that curve they are going to have to quickly pull back into their own lane, which means right into us. We always ride single file and as close to the right as possible but it still might not allow enough room for us and the cart in the same lane especially if the cart driver is over reacting due to being startled by the oncoming traffic. Sure enough that very thing happened to my husband a couple of days ago. He had to slam on his brakes hard enough to almost topple him over. Fortunately he narrowly missed getting hit by the golf cart.

So, I am asking, respectfully, these are lives at stake out there on the path, and most of us are on the path for recreational purposes, not because of any life and death need to be somewhere quickly. In an encounter between a cart and a bike the bike is sure to lose, and possibly in the most tragic of ways. The amount of time it takes to get around a curve to the point where you have a clear line of sight of traffic in the oncoming lane isn’t going to be a life changer for anyone, but it could be for the person on the bike.

Thanks for reading.

I ride a bike, drive a golf cart and drive a car. Oh and walk. My dad long departed taught me to drive. I still recall him saying, expect people to do the stupidest possible thing because that is exactly what they are going to do. My dad is still my copilot.

[DAVES]

it's every man, and woman, for themselves. There are no set rules - and if there are, nobody seems to follow them. Everyone pretty much does whatever is convenient for them

NOT AT ALL. The goal is or should be everyone arrives home safely. A dangerous
action. Speeding etc. What does it save you?