Covid got me.

[coffeebean]

Hubby and I are just home from a cruise for a couple of days and I started having symptoms of a very mild cold. We did home antigen tests and I'm positive for Covid. Hubby is negative. It is truly amazing how I don't fear this illness anymore since I've been protected with the vaccine and two boosters. It also is very comforting knowing this virus has evolved and is not nearly as virulent as the original strain.

Stay well everyone.

[Altavia]

Take care and recover soon!

[coffeebean]

Take care and recover soon!

Thank you. Will do.

[Taltarzac725]

Had my 2nd booster for COVID yesterday.

[coffeebean]

Had my 2nd booster for COVID yesterday.

Great. Glad you will be protected!

[Bruce3055]

Hubby and I are just home from a cruise for a couple of days and I started having symptoms of a very mild cold. We did home antigen tests and I'm positive for Covid. Hubby is negative. It is truly amazing how I don't fear this illness anymore since I've been protected with the vaccine and two boosters. It also is very comforting knowing this virus has evolved and is not nearly as virulent as the original strain.

Stay well everyone.

Be careful on your recovery and start back easy after a negative test. I over did it after my negative test and was wiped out. Now I'm on a more conservative recovery plan to avoid long covid issues.

[Altavia]

...

This is from a 2 week old story on San Diego's covid status:

To make matters worse, the official report for San Diego County shows that 41% of recent COVID-19 deaths are among fully vaccinated and boosted individuals.

.

What data shows that?

https://www.sandiegocounty.gov/content/dam/sdc/hhsa/programs/phs/Epidemiology/COVID-19_Daily_Status_Update.pdf

[Taltarzac725]

Great. Glad you will be protected!

This is the shot that had the most side effects so far. I suppose that means it is working in my body.

[Boston-Sean]

What data shows that?

https://www.sandiegocounty.gov/content/dam/sdc/hhsa/programs/phs/Epidemiology/COVID-19_Daily_Status_Update.pdf


Here you go:

[Boston-Sean]

Good news from youtube. They have changed their policy of banning people for saying that masks don't stop covid infections. The list of "conspiracy theories" now accepted as fact continues to grow.

[Djean1981]

If it were a vaccine, you wouldn't get covid.

[Dr Winston O Boogie jr]

Here you go:

The problem with these numbers is that the deaths are such a miniscule percentage of the number of cases that the difference is insignifcant.

[Two Bills]

There is also the fact that most vaccines were produced as protection against the original Covid 19 strain of the virus,
More recent and updated vaccines that include defense against the newer varients are now getting to the public.
Getting like the flu shots, which basically protect against the known strains of the flu.

[Altavia]

Here you go:

Hmm, does not match the county reporting. Link to the source of that table?

89.9% of San Diegans age six months and older are at least partially vaccinated so seeing such results is not unexpected.

Devil is in the details:

"Deaths:

15 additional deaths were reported since the last report on July 28. The region’s total is 5,424.

Of the 15 additional deaths, six were women and nine were men. They died between July 11 and July 31, 2022; 14 deaths occurred in the past two weeks.

Six of the people who died were 80 years or older, eight were in their 70s and one was in their 60s.

13 were fully vaccinated and two were not.

13 had underlying medical conditions and two had medical history pending."

[Boston-Sean]

This is the shot that had the most side effects so far. I suppose that means it is working in my body.

You'll know it's really working well if you die after one of the shots like thousands of others have.

[coffeebean]

Be careful on your recovery and start back easy after a negative test. I over did it after my negative test and was wiped out. Now I'm on a more conservative recovery plan to avoid long covid issues.

Thanks for the advice. I'm really feeling great at this point but I will definitely take it easy for a few days.

[kkingston57]

Hmm, does not match the county reporting. Link to the source of that table?

89.9% of San Diegans age six months and older are at least partially vaccinated so seeing such results is not unexpected.

Devil is in the details:

"Deaths:

15 additional deaths were reported since the last report on July 28. The region’s total is 5,424.

Of the 15 additional deaths, six were women and nine were men. They died between July 11 and July 31, 2022; 14 deaths occurred in the past two weeks.

Six of the people who died were 80 years or older, eight were in their 70s and one was in their 60s.

13 were fully vaccinated and two were not.

13 had underlying medical conditions and two had medical history pending."

Just goes to show that statistics can be manipulated. Good information!

[coffeebean]

There is also the fact that most vaccines were produced as protection against the original Covid 19 strain of the virus,
More recent and updated vaccines that include defense against the newer varients are now getting to the public.
Getting like the flu shots, which basically protect against the known strains of the flu.

Actually, I saw on the news yesterday that the mRNA vaccines are able to be tweaked for the current strain that is circulating in the population at the present time. There is no guess work with these new technology vaccines. I'm so appreciative of the technology we have today.

This strain of Covid that I have is a big nothing burger for me. I'm feeling great now and my symptoms (sore throat that lasted about 15 minutes and a very occasional dry cough) started only three days ago. Today I developed a low grade fever but that is gone now with the OTC cold/flu medication I took. I know I'm not to take any fever reducing medication 24 hours before I'm to come out of quarantine and my temp has to be normal.

[Velvet]

Did you take the Paxlovid treatment? If you do take it with mint or peanut butter to line your mouth. Best wishes for a quick recovery to total health.

[Altavia]

Just goes to show that statistics can be manipulated. Good information!

True, based on the chart Boston-Sean posted, yes, more vaccinated died from COVID but since 90% are vaccinated, you are still roughly 9 times more likely to die from COVID if not vaccinated.

[MartinSE]

The problem with these numbers is that the deaths are such a miniscule percentage of the number of cases that the difference is insignifcant.

That is true

[coffeebean]

Did you take the Paxlovid treatment? If you do take it with mint or peanut butter to line your mouth. Best wishes for a quick recovery to total health.

Thank you!

I contacted my PCP and asked if it is recommended to take Paxlovid. I was told that most of the doctors at The Villages Health are not recommending it. The drug is contraindicated with most drugs that seniors take, including cholesterol medication. I was also told that Paxlovid is taxing on the kidneys and liver. I said, "No thank you. I don't want to take it."

Tonight I feel perfectly fine. My onset of symptoms was a sore throat that lasted about 15 minutes. No lie.....15 minutes. Then I developed a very occasional dry cough the following day. I knew I had something and was hoping it was just a cold. This Covid virus variant is actually less than a cold for me.

[MartinSE]

Hubby and I are just home from a cruise for a couple of days and I started having symptoms of a very mild cold. We did home antigen tests and I'm positive for Covid. Hubby is negative. It is truly amazing how I don't fear this illness anymore since I've been protected with the vaccine and two boosters. It also is very comforting knowing this virus has evolved and is not nearly as virulent as the original strain.

Stay well everyone.

I wish you well and a speedy full recovery.

[tophcfa]

Hubby and I are just home from a cruise for a couple of days and I started having symptoms of a very mild cold. We did home antigen tests and I'm positive for Covid. Hubby is negative. It is truly amazing how I don't fear this illness anymore since I've been protected with the vaccine and two boosters. It also is very comforting knowing this virus has evolved and is not nearly as virulent as the original strain.

Stay well everyone.

I wouldn’t necessarily say Covid got you, going on a cruise got you. Here is wishing you a speedy recovery with no long Covid issues.

[TrapX]

The covid virus particle size is a lot smaller than smoke particles.
The covid virus particle size is a lot smaller than odors given off by cooking.
The covid virus particle size is a lot smaller than the scent of flowers.
So put your mask on, and experience what you can still smell. If you can smell any of those things, your mask is useless.
Some N95 masks, if fitted properly, if worn snugly, might block some of those smells, for a short time, until saturated, and might possibly the covid virus. When you touch the outside of that mask, if that n95 did block anything, you just got contaminated.
Those paper masks, home made cloth masks, block nothing.
Try it for yourself. Educate yourself.

[La lamy]

Similar story how my man got Covid, and even after 3 different tests I was negative, but had what felt like a typical sinus infection/cold. It took 3 weeks to clear though for both of us. I wish you well.

[banjobob]

Well said masks are not protecting you from anything but dust.

[Quixote]

The problem with these numbers is that the deaths are such a miniscule percentage of the number of cases that the difference is insignifcant.

That is true

Perhaps it is true ... unless, of course, you or a loved one just happens to be part of the 'miniscule percentage.' And if so, perhaps—just perhaps—you just might feel a little differently.

[Love2Swim]

Actually, I saw on the news yesterday that the mRNA vaccines are able to be tweaked for the current strain that is circulating in the population at the present time. There is no guess work with these new technology vaccines. I'm so appreciative of the technology we have today.

This strain of Covid that I have is a big nothing burger for me. I'm feeling great now and my symptoms (sore throat that lasted about 15 minutes and a very occasional dry cough) started only three days ago. Today I developed a low grade fever but that is gone now with the OTC cold/flu medication I took. I know I'm not to take any fever reducing medication 24 hours before I'm to come out of quarantine and my temp has to be normal.

So glad to hear your symptoms are very mild. We had two separate friends that had it, and their symptoms were more severe, and lasted about 10 days. Then they had lingering symptoms such as hoarseness, tiredness that lasted a couple of weeks. Apparently it affects everyone differently. You're one of the lucky ones!

[MidWestIA]

I got omnicron 2 weeks after my 2nd booster but it was mild with brain fog I think and weakness

[RICH1]

No vaccine released for BA5 …The present vaccines you are receiving is for the old Covid! People are being duped

[Rodneysblue]

Good news. Hope you recover quickly.

[Andyb]

Seems you are touting the vaccines and boosters more than your expression of getting COV!D. I suggest doing more research, before pushing the vax on people. Statistically, more people vaxed are getting COV!D, than the unvaxed. Cruises discriminated from misinformation. Glad your ok.

[airstreamingypsy]

I'm glad to see so many immunologists here in The Villages, offering free medical advice.

[Jeffery M]

Hubby and I are just home from a cruise for a couple of days and I started having symptoms of a very mild cold. We did home antigen tests and I'm positive for Covid. Hubby is negative. It is truly amazing how I don't fear this illness anymore since I've been protected with the vaccine and two boosters. It also is very comforting knowing this virus has evolved and is not nearly as virulent as the original strain.

Stay well everyone.

My wife and I were just tested positive for Covid-19 3 days ago. I thought I had a lingering cold for the last 3 weeks. We have both had the vaccine in the past. One of the onset symptoms I had 3 weeks ago was an accelerated pulse. That happened on and off for about 3 days. My wife had the same happen to her last week. That lasted about a day and a half. Now it is mostly nasal congestion and tiredness. It also seems to have affected our taste buds. At first I couldn't taste food. Now food tastes bitter to both of us. At least I'm losing a few pounds now.

[Bob.Betty]

[QUOTE=coffeebean;2129197]Hubby and I are just home from a cruise for a couple of days and I started having symptoms of a very mild cold. We did home antigen tests and I'm positive for Covid. Hubby is negative. It is truly amazing how I don't fear this illness anymore since I've been protected with the vaccine and two boosters. It also is very comforting knowing this virus has evolved and is not nearly as virulent as the original strain.

Stay well everyone.

I'm truly glad your symptoms are mild, i don't have any vaccines or boosters and yet i don't fear covid.

[Ptmckiou]

If it were a vaccine, you wouldn't get covid.

Not true, From day one the CDC has always said the vaccines won’t keep you from getting COVID. It increases your chances of not ending up in the hospital and dying, because your body has a jump on “recognizing” the virus because of the vaccines.

[Two Bills]

No vaccine released for BA5 …The present vaccines you are receiving is for the old Covid! People are being duped

First bivalent COVID-19 booster vaccine approved by UK medicines regulator - GOV.UK (https://www.gov.uk/government/news/first-bivalent-covid-19-booster-vaccine-approved-by-uk-medicines-regulator)

[Susan1717]

I had covid a year and a half ago. For myself, I get my antibodies tested every three months with other blood work. I’m doing my own personal study for my body, and so far my antibody level is still sky high and has not gone down one bit. I’m refusing vaccines at this point fit myself as I’m afraid to mess with my immunity. Every person knows their body and what works best. There’s no one fits all.

[JMintzer]

Not true, From day one the CDC has always said the vaccines won’t keep you from getting COVID. It increases your chances of not ending up in the hospital and dying, because your body has a jump on “recognizing” the virus because of the vaccines.

Absolutely false. Both Fauci AND the CDC initially told us that if you got vaccinated, there was a 95% chance that you would NOT get Covid. There were even some elected officials, some very high up in the food chain (whom I dare not mention, lest I get another "vacation"), who made the same claims...

Nothing was said about increasing any chances of not ending up in the hospital and dying until much later, when they found out their initial claims were wrong...

[JMintzer]

I had covid a year and a half ago. For myself, I get my antibodies tested every three months with other blood work. I’m doing my own personal study for my body, and so far my antibody level is still sky high and has not gone down one bit. I’m refusing vaccines at this point fit myself as I’m afraid to mess with my immunity. Every person knows their body and what works best. There’s no one fits all.

Same here, except I had covid 2 1/2 years ago... Still have the antibodies (per my last blood test in March)...

My wife just had her 2nd bout with Covid last month, despite being vaccinated and boosted (once). Typical flu-like symptoms for a week...

I tested a few times during her illness and recovery... Nada...

[rsmurano]

I got my 2 covid shots, will never get another of those vaccines. I know people that got mild cases of covid with no vaccines, and got it after 2 shots up to the boosters. I got covid early this year and it was mild.

[Gettingoutofdodge]

I had Covid in May, cough, fever, chills, headache, was vaxed, no boosters. I had a lot of side effects with the vaccine. I called my Dr. and he prescribed Paxlovid. The next day I was 90 percent better. I had no trouble with Paxlovid other then the taste. I took without food and that helped. I did not have a rebound. I tested negative in 5 days. If I get Covid again, I will definitely take Paxlovid!

[MartinSE]

Seems you are touting the vaccines and boosters more than your expression of getting COV!D. I suggest doing more research, before pushing the vax on people. Statistically, more people vaxed are getting COV!D, than the unvaxed. Cruises discriminated from misinformation. Glad your ok.

The vaccine has never (other than one misspeaking) been touted as PREVENTING COVID. EVER. It reduces incidence and reduces death rate and reduces hospitalizations. IT HELPS.

People build straw men saying "it doesn't stop COVID" and then look for ways to prove their straw man.

And the reason more people that are vaccinated are getting COVID is pretty hard to understand, maybe it has to do with 80% of the population being vaccinated? (depending on who you believe that number varies from 65% to 90%. It also varies if you mean fully 4 shots or at least 1 shot). In any case, most (more than half) of people have been vaccinated.

Two years, and we still have all this nonsense. Now measles, polio and others are making a comeback because of anti-vaxers.

[maistocars]

Oh my, so many vax believers. Good luck!

[RICH1]

First bivalent COVID-19 booster vaccine approved by UK medicines regulator - GOV.UK (https://www.gov.uk/government/news/first-bivalent-covid-19-booster-vaccine-approved-by-uk-medicines-regulator)
Not approved in this country Yet ! We will have to
Wait for this New one! I stand by my statement

[oneclickplus]

Great. Glad you will be protected!

What do you mean "protected"? The vaccinated are getting infected and sick all the time ... yourself included. You call that protected?

Would you be equally sanguine in the face of contracting polio after a polio vaccine or shingles, smallpox, tetanus, measles, mumps, hepatitis or meningitis after getting their corresponding vaccine? Hell, no! You also don't have a test kit for any of these diseases in your medicine cabinet.

If you get bitten by a dog, proof of the dog having had a timely rabies vaccine is sufficient to quell any fears of getting rabies from that bite. That's because the rabies vaccine works. The various covid-19 shots have no such track record.

One gets the shot and then the booster and then the second booster and you STILL have to worry about getting covid. That's not a vaccine. That's what I call a scam. And it needs to end.

To that point, my wife and I (both unvaccinated with these COVID shots) are taking a cruise in late September. I remember talk of only elite vaccinated persons being able to sail. I remember talk of this being a "pandemic of the unvaccinated". Now, neither are true. The vaccinated can and do acquire the virus, become infected (even without symptoms) and spread the virus to others.

It's finally understood that the unvaccinated are no threat to any other person as the vaccinated can, and do, spread the virus just as easily. The choice to remain unvaccinated is therefore a personal choice. And those that choose to become vaccinated do so to protect themselves against serious disease ... not their neighbors, friends, family. They can each make their own decisions on the safety and efficacy of the supposed vaccine. From where I sit, those that chose to take the shot don't look very "protected" as compared to historical vaccine efficacy.

[MartinSE]

Oh my, so many vax believers. Good luck!

Yeah, well , let's take about Polio, and Smallpox.

I will continue to believe in science instead of talking heads on media.

[MartinSE]

[QUOTE=oneclickplus;2129581]What do you mean "protected"? The vaccinated are getting infected and sick all the time ... yourself included. You call that protected? /QUOTE]

So, you don't wear seat belts. You are opposed to stop signs. You don't like air bags, None of those prevent dying in an accident.

This BS has been agued for years now. The vaccinations protect, mean ing reduce damage. Sort of like football helmets help, but they still get concussions. I guess we should make football helmets optional - I mean footballl players have rights damn it.

[MartinSE]

[QUOTE=MartinSE;2129583][QUOTE=oneclickplus;2129581]What do you mean "protected"? The vaccinated are getting infected and sick all the time ... yourself included. You call that protected? /QUOTE]

So, you don't wear seat belts. You are opposed to stop signs. You don't like air bags, None of those prevent dying in an accident.

This BS has been agued for years now. The vaccinations protect, mean ing reduce damage. Sort of like football helmets help, but they still get concussions. I guess we should make football helmets optional - I mean footballl players have rights damn it

Yeah, lets do nothing Because we can't provide a 100% guaranteed solution with no side effects.

[Bogie Shooter]

What do you mean "protected"? The vaccinated are getting infected and sick all the time ... yourself included. You call that protected?

Would you be equally sanguine in the face of contracting polio after a polio vaccine or shingles, smallpox, tetanus, measles, mumps, hepatitis or meningitis after getting their corresponding vaccine? Hell, no! You also don't have a test kit for any of these diseases in your medicine cabinet.

If you get bitten by a dog, proof of the dog having had a timely rabies vaccine is sufficient to quell any fears of getting rabies from that bite. That's because the rabies vaccine works. The various covid-19 shots have no such track record.

One gets the shot and then the booster and then the second booster and you STILL have to worry about getting covid. That's not a vaccine. That's what I call a scam. And it needs to end.

To that point, my wife and I (both unvaccinated with these COVID shots) are taking a cruise in late September. I remember talk of only elite vaccinated persons being able to sail. I remember talk of this being a "pandemic of the unvaccinated". Now, neither are true. The vaccinated can and do acquire the virus, become infected (even without symptoms) and spread the virus to others.

It's finally understood that the unvaccinated are no threat to any other person as the vaccinated can, and do, spread the virus just as easily. The choice to remain unvaccinated is therefore a personal choice. And those that choose to become vaccinated do so to protect themselves against serious disease ... not their neighbors, friends, family. They can each make their own decisions on the safety and efficacy of the supposed vaccine. From where I sit, those that chose to take the shot don't look very "protected" as compared to historical vaccine efficacy.

Please, let us know when you test positive, admitted to hospital and put on a ventilator.😟

[Michread]

“It’s easier to fool people than it is to convince them that they have been fooled.” Mark Twain

[Michread]

The vaccine has never (other than one misspeaking) been touted as PREVENTING COVID. EVER. It reduces incidence and reduces death rate and reduces hospitalizations. IT HELPS.

People build straw men saying "it doesn't stop COVID" and then look for ways to prove their straw man.

And the reason more people that are vaccinated are getting COVID is pretty hard to understand, maybe it has to do with 80% of the population being vaccinated? (depending on who you believe that number varies from 65% to 90%. It also varies if you mean fully 4 shots or at least 1 shot). In any case, most (more than half) of people have been vaccinated.

Two years, and we still have all this nonsense. Now measles, polio and others are making a comeback because of anti-vaxers.
How quickly you have forgotten the lies you were told.

https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd=&ved=2ahUKEwjGurD_r-L5AhVJl4kEHbZEC1sQFnoECAoQAQ&url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.youtube.com%2Fwatch%3Fv%3DnT lxpxdH3Yk&usg=AOvVaw3ayOkEnqUJ69bVcnr_soHP

[MartinSE]

How quickly you have forgotten the lies you were told.

https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd=&ved=2ahUKEwjGurD_r-L5AhVJl4kEHbZEC1sQFnoECAoQAQ&url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.youtube.com%2Fwatch%3Fv%3DnT lxpxdH3Yk&usg=AOvVaw3ayOkEnqUJ69bVcnr_soHP

Funny, when I make a political post, I get put in the corner.

Obviously, when I said other than one mis spoken quote. You on the other hand believe all the bs spewed instead over and over again. And when they spew it people die.

[fishon]

Please! If you don't use your umbrella mine won't work.

[Boston-Sean]

Not true, From day one the CDC has always said the vaccines won’t keep you from getting COVID. It increases your chances of not ending up in the hospital and dying, because your body has a jump on “recognizing” the virus because of the vaccines.

The CDC claimed the vaccines prevented 90% of infections. There is a direct quote in this article from the CDC claiming the vaccines will end the pandemic. Not a word about preventing hospitalizations/dying.

You are wrong:

COVID-19 vaccines prevent 90 percent of all infections, CDC study says | The Hill (https://thehill.com/policy/healthcare/545362-covid-vaccines-prevent-90-percent-of-all-infections-cdc-study-says/)

[MartinSE]

///

To quote so many 2 years ago here:

"It no worse that the Flu"...

[coffeebean]

I wish you well and a speedy full recovery.
Thank you. I'm actually feeling perfectly fine at this point. I'm still in my five day quarantine period so I'm staying inside. I'm not isolating from hubby while in our home and so far, he is fine.

[coffeebean]

I wouldn’t necessarily say Covid got you, going on a cruise got you. Here is wishing you a speedy recovery with no long Covid issues.

Thank you for your thoughtful wishes. I'm sure it was those crowded elevators! The crew still wear masks but the passengers don't.

[coffeebean]

So glad to hear your symptoms are very mild. We had two separate friends that had it, and their symptoms were more severe, and lasted about 10 days. Then they had lingering symptoms such as hoarseness, tiredness that lasted a couple of weeks. Apparently it affects everyone differently. You're one of the lucky ones!
I do feel very lucky to have an illness that is less than a mild cold. I still have taste and smell so I'm happy.

[coffeebean]

Seems you are touting the vaccines and boosters more than your expression of getting COV!D. I suggest doing more research, before pushing the vax on people. Statistically, more people vaxed are getting COV!D, than the unvaxed. Cruises discriminated from misinformation. Glad your ok.

You are most certainly correct about my appreciation for our vaccines. I truly believe my vaccines and boosters have protected me from serious illness. I was protected long enough for this virus to mutate into a much less virulent beast that it was in the beginning.

[coffeebean]

First bivalent COVID-19 booster vaccine approved by UK medicines regulator - GOV.UK (https://www.gov.uk/government/news/first-bivalent-covid-19-booster-vaccine-approved-by-uk-medicines-regulator)

Thank you, Moderna!

[coffeebean]

I had covid a year and a half ago. For myself, I get my antibodies tested every three months with other blood work. I’m doing my own personal study for my body, and so far my antibody level is still sky high and has not gone down one bit. I’m refusing vaccines at this point fit myself as I’m afraid to mess with my immunity. Every person knows their body and what works best. There’s no one fits all.

Will your antibodies protect you from Omicron? IMHO, and it is just that, an opinion........this virus we have circulating now is so mild I don't think it could hurt a fly. Again.......MY OPINION.

[coffeebean]

Absolutely false. Both Fauci AND the CDC initially told us that if you got vaccinated, there was a 95% chance that you would NOT get Covid. There were even some elected officials, some very high up in the food chain (whom I dare not mention, lest I get another "vacation"), who made the same claims...

Nothing was said about increasing any chances of not ending up in the hospital and dying until much later, when they found out their initial claims were wrong...

Yes, I remember that claim. That 95% was the efficacy from all the trials done by Moderna. If I recall correctly, Moderna did have better efficacy numbers than Pfeizer. I took that 95% efficacy to mean that there is a 5% chance of me getting Covid after I was vaccinated. I don't ever remember feeling that I had no shot at all of getting Covid. As soon as I was fully vaccinated, I felt very protected, knowing I had a 95% chance of not getting Covid and a 100% chance of not winding up in the hospital if I were one of the unlucky 5% of people who would get Covid. That is the way I understood those efficacy claims from the vaccine manufacturers.

[coffeebean]

Same here, except I had covid 2 1/2 years ago... Still have the antibodies (per my last blood test in March)...

My wife just had her 2nd bout with Covid last month, despite being vaccinated and boosted (once). Typical flu-like symptoms for a week...

I tested a few times during her illness and recovery... Nada...

Good for you.

[coffeebean]

Wow....didn't see that one coming!!:1rotfl:

I know. Right? I was fully expecting for one or both of us to eventually catch this bug, especially on a cruise ship with those crowded elevators. This is our third cruise since cruising has made a come back.

[coffeebean]

Oh my, so many vax believers. Good luck!

I have already had the luck of not getting Covid before it mutated in this little kitten of a virus. I can thank the vaccine for my luck. Once I was fully vaccinated, I didn't live in fear enjoying life, took off my mask and never looked back. All thanks to the vaccine.

[jimjamuser]

Be careful on your recovery and start back easy after a negative test. I over did it after my negative test and was wiped out. Now I'm on a more conservative recovery plan to avoid long covid issues.
There have been a lot of "bounce-back" infections a week or more after testing negative. So be careful.

[coffeebean]

What do you mean "protected"? The vaccinated are getting infected and sick all the time ... yourself included. You call that protected?

Would you be equally sanguine in the face of contracting polio after a polio vaccine or shingles, smallpox, tetanus, measles, mumps, hepatitis or meningitis after getting their corresponding vaccine? Hell, no! You also don't have a test kit for any of these diseases in your medicine cabinet.

If you get bitten by a dog, proof of the dog having had a timely rabies vaccine is sufficient to quell any fears of getting rabies from that bite. That's because the rabies vaccine works. The various covid-19 shots have no such track record.

One gets the shot and then the booster and then the second booster and you STILL have to worry about getting covid. That's not a vaccine. That's what I call a scam. And it needs to end.

To that point, my wife and I (both unvaccinated with these COVID shots) are taking a cruise in late September. I remember talk of only elite vaccinated persons being able to sail. I remember talk of this being a "pandemic of the unvaccinated". Now, neither are true. The vaccinated can and do acquire the virus, become infected (even without symptoms) and spread the virus to others.

It's finally understood that the unvaccinated are no threat to any other person as the vaccinated can, and do, spread the virus just as easily. The choice to remain unvaccinated is therefore a personal choice. And those that choose to become vaccinated do so to protect themselves against serious disease ... not their neighbors, friends, family. They can each make their own decisions on the safety and efficacy of the supposed vaccine. From where I sit, those that chose to take the shot don't look very "protected" as compared to historical vaccine efficacy.
Too many people died from the original strain and the mutation known as Delta. Most of those people who died were not vaccinated. I much preferred not to have to live in fear of dying so I protected myself with the vaccine. I will never see it your way and you will never see it my way. Agree to disagree.

[Altavia]

Statistically, more people vaxed are getting COV!D, than the unvaxed. Cruises discriminated from misinformation. Glad your ok.




Because we are at a point where statistically many more people are vaccinated than not.

Previously posted, with 9 in 10 vaccinated, roughly the same number from each group died from COVID.

Bottom line is you are still 5-10 times more likely to die from COVID if not vaccinated. Especially if elderly or immunocompromised.

[coffeebean]

Please, let us know when you test positive, admitted to hospital and put on a ventilator.😟

Is that still happening? Isn't this virus much less virulent than the original strain we were dealing with BEFORE the vaccines? I don't think folks who are not vaccinated at this point need to fear this virus at this point in time.

As and aside (and I'm sorry for venturing off topic of this thread)...............Cruise lines are now allowing unvaccinated adults on their ships but they need a negative test to embark. Funny part about that is, some cruise lines are accepting UN-proctored tests. How silly is that? Why even bother requiring negatives tests?

[coffeebean]

How quickly you have forgotten the lies you were told.

https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd=&ved=2ahUKEwjGurD_r-L5AhVJl4kEHbZEC1sQFnoECAoQAQ&url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.youtube.com%2Fwatch%3Fv%3DnT lxpxdH3Yk&usg=AOvVaw3ayOkEnqUJ69bVcnr_soHP

Just one example of what I saw in this video..........

Dr. Fauci said "you will have a very high degree of protection........" He did NOT say you will be 100% protected. That is just one example. You need to really listen to what is being said by these people in high places.

I never ever was made to believe that being vaccinated I would NOT get Covid. I do recall being told that vaccinated people would not be hospitalized and die. I figured a 95% chance of not getting Covid was good enough for me to feel safe. That safety net that I felt protected me from being hospitalized and that safety net would prevent me from dying. Again......that protection was good enough for me to feel safe from a virus that was extremely virulent at the time.

[jimjamuser]

You'll know it's really working well if you die after one of the shots like thousands of others have.
Covid would be about non-existent in the US by now IF 95% of the people had taken the vaccine early on - to be patriotic and look out for their fellow man. Unfortunately, ignorance and propaganda from various dark media and maybe even Russian trolls prevented that from happening. Now everyone has to worry about prolonged exposure to crowds particularly in indoor areas. Great thanks to the antisocial few. Funny how other countries reacted better than the US.

[Velvet]

Coffee bean, how are you today?

[coffeebean]

There have been a lot of "bounce-back" infections a week or more after testing negative. So be careful.

If I don't have symptoms after this bout of Covid, I won't be testing so I may not even know if I have a rebound infection. I don't think the average Joe and Jane test weekly unless they need to test for work or are people in high places.

[jimjamuser]

True, based on the chart Boston-Sean posted, yes, more vaccinated died from COVID but since 90% are vaccinated, you are still roughly 9 times more likely to die from COVID if not vaccinated.
I don't believe that the vaccinated are as high as 90%. It is about 25% for children.

[coffeebean]

Coffee bean, how are you today?

Thank you for asking. I'm feeling great. I have no symptoms at this point. I've been more ill with a common cold which, thankfully, I get only about every ten years or so.

[jimjamuser]

Seems you are touting the vaccines and boosters more than your expression of getting COV!D. I suggest doing more research, before pushing the vax on people. Statistically, more people vaxed are getting COV!D, than the unvaxed. Cruises discriminated from misinformation. Glad your ok.
The 3rd sentence is completely false - about vaxed and un vaxxed.

[chrisinva]

Sounds like the "mild" covid. Get well soon. Good to hear you are vaccinated & boosted.; I think that helps keep it mild.

[jojo]

I had covid a year and a half ago. For myself, I get my antibodies tested every three months with other blood work. I’m doing my own personal study for my body, and so far my antibody level is still sky high and has not gone down one bit. I’m refusing vaccines at this point fit myself as I’m afraid to mess with my immunity. Every person knows their body and what works best. There’s no one fits all.

I tested very high with antibodies and was delighted until I came down with a serious case of COVID.

[jimjamuser]

Please! If you don't use your umbrella mine won't work.
That's not a successful analogy because the situation of rain and an umbrella are wildly different than CV spread indoors -- because among other things a virus spreads BOTH horizontally and vertically.depending on indoor air currents.

[Nucky]

We are very grateful and happy that you and Mr. Bean are doing okay. We need you around this joint to keep the rig raf in line. Hopefully this will be in your rear view mirror shortly!

[jimjamuser]

The CDC claimed the vaccines prevented 90% of infections. There is a direct quote in this article from the CDC claiming the vaccines will end the pandemic. Not a word about preventing hospitalizations/dying.

You are wrong:

COVID-19 vaccines prevent 90 percent of all infections, CDC study says | The Hill (https://thehill.com/policy/healthcare/545362-covid-vaccines-prevent-90-percent-of-all-infections-cdc-study-says/)
The vaccine WOULD have ended the Pandemic in its tracks if the anti-vaccine neanderthals had not caused less than 95 % vaccine participation. The anti-vaxers are part of a growing trend to drag American society back in time. Which I fail to see what the gain and logic of that whole plot could be? Destroy modern society just for the hell of it?

[jimjamuser]

Will your antibodies protect you from Omicron? IMHO, and it is just that, an opinion........this virus we have circulating now is so mild I don't think it could hurt a fly. Again.......MY OPINION.
It may NOT hurt MOST human flies, but ACTUALLY, some people are still dying.

[MartinSE]

The anti-vaxers are part of a growing trend to drag American society back in time. Which I fail to see what the gain and logic of that whole plot could be? Destroy modern society just for the hell of it?

I always look for who benefits.

We KNOW China and Russia have very intense disinformation campaigns running in the US. And the use of a few influencers can have dramatic effects.

I don't see China benefiting from our falling, they are out performing us in most areas. Russia on the other hand, has a dictator that hates us and wants to put the USSR back together again. Strangely enough a few major influencers seem to be constantly pushing Putin/Russia's position - even getting air-time in Russia.

Might just be wildly coincidental, but as you said, I also fail to see the logic of Americans trying to destroy America. We may have our differences, we always have. but...

[asianthree]

The vaccine WOULD have ended the Pandemic in its tracks if the anti-vaccine neanderthals had not caused less than 95 % vaccine participation. The anti-vaxers are part of a growing trend to drag American society back in time. Which I fail to see what the gain and logic of that whole plot could be? Destroy modern society just for the hell of it?

After severe reaction to 1/2 first dose, every physician, refused to allow any vaccine dose for me. I was exposed daily for 17 months, yet never had any symptoms. Doesn’t mean I didn’t get it, but testing was not used for employees at the facility.

So I guessing you consider someone like me dragging American society back in time to destroy it. Of course if I hadn’t worked all those hours 7 days a week there would be far less who aren’t taking dirt naps.

You seem to forget there are many just like me that vaccines could be the death of them

[MartinSE]

It may NOT hurt MOST human flies, but ACTUALLY, some people are still dying.

And almost 100% of those dying are unvaccinated.

[kendi]

CoVID 19 vaccines are not protecting you anymore. Boosters only last 4 weeks and aren’t effective against the current strain anyway. The virus mutates too quickly for them to have an effect.

[Djean1981]

CoVID 19 vaccines are not protecting you anymore. Boosters only last 4 weeks and aren’t effective against the current strain anyway. The virus mutates too quickly for them to have an effect.
Agreed. It's useless. But, the good news is that mutations are usually weaker (even if they are more communicable).

[JMintzer]

The vaccine has never (other than one misspeaking) been touted as PREVENTING COVID. EVER. It reduces incidence and reduces death rate and reduces hospitalizations. IT HELPS..

That is simply not true...

We were told (at the beginning) that vaccine had a 95% success rate in PREVENTING you from getting covid (the J&J vaccine was said to have a lower prevention rate). Fauci said it, the director of the CDC (Walensky) said it, multiple newscasters said it, even the POTUS said it. It quite easy to find videos of all of them saying it, on more than one occasion. It wasn't anyone "misspeaking"...

It wasn't until they found out that it didn't have that 95% protection rate that they changed their tune...

[JMintzer]

Please, let us know when you test positive, admitted to hospital and put on a ventilator.😟

Ventilators killed more people than they helped...

[coffeebean]

We are very grateful and happy that you and Mr. Bean are doing okay. We need you around this joint to keep the rig raf in line. Hopefully this will be in your rear view mirror shortly!

I'm ready to fly the coup in a couple of days. Thanks for the well wishes.

[JMintzer]

Good for you.

How nice of you to think so...

[coffeebean]

It may NOT hurt MOST human flies, but ACTUALLY, some people are still dying.

Seems like we don't hear about people dying from the virus these days. It's almost like this virus has disappeared and I've been watching the same news sources. Covid just seems to be yesterday's news. Not that I'm complaining though.

[JMintzer]

Just one example of what I saw in this video..........

Dr. Fauci said "you will have a very high degree of protection........" He did NOT say you will be 100% protected. That is just one example. You need to really listen to what is being said by these people in high places.

I never ever was made to believe that being vaccinated I would NOT get Covid. I do recall being told that vaccinated people would not be hospitalized and die. I figured a 95% chance of not getting Covid was good enough for me to feel safe. That safety net that I felt protected me from being hospitalized and that safety net would prevent me from dying. Again......that protection was good enough for me to feel safe from a virus that was extremely virulent at the time.

They were touting PROTECTION from the virus. Not "you won't get sick if you catch the virus"...

The "but it's only 95% protection" is a cop-out, using pretzel logic to justify them now trying to change what they initially said...

[JMintzer]

Covid would be about non-existent in the US by now IF 95% of the people had taken the vaccine early on - to be patriotic and look out for their fellow man. Unfortunately, ignorance and propaganda from various dark media and maybe even Russian trolls prevented that from happening. Now everyone has to worry about prolonged exposure to crowds particularly in indoor areas. Great thanks to the antisocial few. Funny how other countries reacted better than the US.

How is that possible when vaccinate/boosted people are still catching covid?

Those "other countries who reacted better than the US" are seeing the same thing happen...

[coffeebean]

CoVID 19 vaccines are not protecting you anymore. Boosters only last 4 weeks and aren’t effective against the current strain anyway. The virus mutates too quickly for them to have an effect.
You mean this old broad would have kicked Covid's ass anyway without being fully vaxxed and double boosted?. Well......... who woulda thunk?

[JMintzer]

I tested very high with antibodies and was delighted until I came down with a serious case of COVID.

Natural antibodies or "vaccine induced" antibodies?

[JMintzer]

The vaccine WOULD have ended the Pandemic in its tracks if the anti-vaccine neanderthals had not caused less than 95 % vaccine participation. The anti-vaxers are part of a growing trend to drag American society back in time. Which I fail to see what the gain and logic of that whole plot could be? Destroy modern society just for the hell of it?

Repeating unfounded claims does not make them true...

[JMintzer]

And almost 100% of those dying are unvaccinated.

Simply not true...

How to Compare COVID Deaths for Vaccinated and Unvaccinated People - Scientific American (https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/how-to-compare-covid-deaths-for-vaccinated-and-unvaccinated-people/)

[MartinSE]

After severe reaction to 1/2 first dose, every physician, refused to allow any vaccine dose for me. I was exposed daily for 17 months, yet never had any symptoms. Doesn’t mean I didn’t get it, but testing was not used for employees at the facility.

So I guessing you consider someone like me dragging American society back in time to destroy it. Of course if I hadn’t worked all those hours 7 days a week there would be far less who aren’t taking dirt naps.

You seem to forget there are many just like me that vaccines could be the death of them

I see nothing in the post speaking to you. Of course there are people that can't be vaccinated. No one is for forcing them (you) to do that.

We are talking about the people saying things like, "The Government is putting nano-trackers in the vaccine", "The vaccine was rushed and not safe", "The government is lying ab0out the safety". "The vaccination companies created the COVID two make a profit", "may body my choice". And on and one.

Polio, Smallpox, measles and others have been reduced to almost eradicated by everyone everywhere that could get vaccinated, doing it, not just here but world wide, and then the anti-taxer's came out and measles came back, polio is making a come back, etc. Those are the ones, "my body, my choice".

EDIT: There was even a poster on here that said the government knew the vaccine was not safe, and EVERYONE that got it would have their entire immune system destroyed. Meaning all 200 million Americans are about to die of almost anything... crazy ****.

[MartinSE]

Seems like we don't hear about people dying from the virus these days. It's almost like this virus has disappeared and I've been watching the same news sources. Covid just seems to be yesterday's news. Not that I'm complaining though.

People are still dying, but not as many. And the hospitals have protocols that treat those that get it better, and so with the increase in vaccinations, and the increase in treatment protocols, the rate of hospitalization is going down, so people that need to go to the hospital for other things (like my AAA repair) can.

[MartinSE]

CoVID 19 vaccines are not protecting you anymore. Boosters only last 4 weeks and aren’t effective against the current strain anyway. The virus mutates too quickly for them to have an effect.

So much misinformation, and it is late and my fingers are tired of corrections.

Boosters do not just STOP working at 4 weeks - sigh. They reduce in effectiveness to 50% after 3 months (on average). And yes they still help with current variants, but less than against the original. Less is not nothing, less is less.

Viruses always mutate quickly, that is why we can thank the anti-vaxers for the current variants. Had everyone gotten vaccinated as soon as possible, there would have been fewer hosts, and fewer hosts means fewer variants.

[Kenswing]

When I get old I hope my life doesn’t boil down to spending my days arguing with strangers on the internet over the same old beaten to death topics. What was the purpose of moving to The Villages?

[asianthree]

Seems like we don't hear about people dying from the virus these days. It's almost like this virus has disappeared and I've been watching the same news sources. Covid just seems to be yesterday's news. Not that I'm complaining though.

Hospitals are no longer being paid $$$$ for Covid patient’s.

[Speedie]

Not true, From day one the CDC has always said the vaccines won’t keep you from getting COVID. It increases your chances of not ending up in the hospital and dying, because your body has a jump on “recognizing” the virus because of the vaccines.

Wrong
The CDC initially told everyone that the vaccine would prevent infection. Then after breakthrough cases became common, the CDC changed its messaging to reality. Fauci orchestrated the messaging to help push a political agenda

[Speedie]

Hospitals are no longer being paid $$$$ for Covid patient’s.

Almost a million deaths now. About half of these deaths since 2020. Before 2020 the death total was constantly shown on news stations in the corner of the screen.
Political media agenda at work

[Velvet]

WRONG that is what you heard someone say they said, I assume, since you didn't provide any proof.

I have followed this from day one. I was one (if not the) first posters here posting spreading stats, infection rates, etc. And every post was met with lies and distortions. THE WHO and CDC have always referred to testing results for how effective it is. They have said the way to stop COVID is to get enough people vaccinated to reach herd immunity. In a since you could misinterpret that to mean that vaccination can prevent YOU from getting COVID. But, that is NOT what it means.

I challenge all of the deniers here misrepresenting what the CDC said to provide an official statement by the CDC (not some politician misquoting them) that says if YOU get vaccinated YOU will not get COVID.

That is a FOX, OAN and Newsman lie.

You have and I have read probably all your posts and thank you.

[JMintzer]

So much misinformation, and it is late and my fingers are tired of corrections.

Boosters do not just STOP working at 4 weeks - sigh. They reduce in effectiveness to 50% after 3 months (on average). And yes they still help with current variants, but less than against the original. Less is not nothing, less is less.

Viruses always mutate quickly, that is why we can thank the anti-vaxers for the current variants. Had everyone gotten vaccinated as soon as possible, there would have been fewer hosts, and fewer hosts means fewer variants.

Viruses always mutate quickly?

If that's the case, please explain why the polio vaccine has been so successful...

[JMintzer]

Hospitals are no longer being paid $$$$ for Covid patient’s.

So you're saying that there is no longer an incentive to call everything a "covid death"?

Pshaw, you say! :icon_wink:

[Altavia]

I don't believe that the vaccinated are as high as 90%. It is about 25% for children.

The 90% was from the San Diego County data posted earlier.

[JMintzer]

WRONG that is what you heard someone say they said, I assume, since you didn't provide any proof.

I have followed this from day one. I was one (if not the) first posters here posting spreading stats, infection rates, etc. And every post was met with lies and distortions. THE WHO and CDC have always referred to testing results for how effective it is. They have said the way to stop COVID is to get enough people vaccinated to reach herd immunity. In a since you could misinterpret that to mean that vaccination can prevent YOU from getting COVID. But, that is NOT what it means.

I challenge all of the deniers here misrepresenting what the CDC said to provide an official statement by the CDC (not some politician misquoting them) that says if YOU get vaccinated YOU will not get COVID.

That is a FOX, OAN and Newsman lie.

There is freakin video of Salensky saying it!

You can say she never said it all you want, but it's on tape! Same with Fauci!

But sure, keep touting your lie...I know you believe it...

[xcaligirl]

Hubby and I are just home from a cruise for a couple of days and I started having symptoms of a very mild cold. We did home antigen tests and I'm positive for Covid. Hubby is negative. It is truly amazing how I don't fear this illness anymore since I've been protected with the vaccine and two boosters. It also is very comforting knowing this virus has evolved and is not nearly as virulent as the original strain.

Stay well everyone.
Love your positive attitude. Hope you are feeling better. We went on a cruise in May and no issues. But now that cruise lines are allowing people onboard without vaccinations however must be tested (not sure of the 'home tests allowed'), I'm a little more hesitant but that's not going to stop me from going soon!

[coffeebean]

People are still dying, but not as many. And the hospitals have protocols that treat those that get it better, and so with the increase in vaccinations, and the increase in treatment protocols, the rate of hospitalization is going down, so people that need to go to the hospital for other things (like my AAA repair) can.

People are still dying of Covid and people are still dying of the influenza virus. These viruses are endemic now and we are learning to live with them. This is probably why Covid deaths are not news worthy any more. In fact, I haven't heard the "Covid" word on main stream media for, what it seems like, months now. It is just not news worthy anymore.

[coffeebean]

You have and I have read probably all your posts and thank you.

Me too!

[coffeebean]

Viruses always mutate quickly?

If that's the case, please explain why the polio vaccine has been so successful...

Compliance of the masses was much greater to combat the polio virus. There was not an anti-vaxxer movement so great that made people fear the vaccine. Thank goodness people back then complied and did the right thing by getting vaccinated. In the words of George M. Cohan......"My mother thanks you, my father thanks you, my sister thanks you and I thank you."

[Two Bills]

Love your positive attitude. Hope you are feeling better. We went on a cruise in May and no issues. But now that cruise lines are allowing people onboard without vaccinations however must be tested (not sure of the 'home tests allowed'), I'm a little more hesitant but that's not going to stop me from going soon!

There really is no more risk with non-vaccinated people than vaccinated people.
People either have the virus, or they don't, whatever their vaccination status.
Do you ask customers/staffs status before entering a shop?
You're mixing with both daily!

[Whitley]

What data shows that?

https://www.sandiegocounty.gov/content/dam/sdc/hhsa/programs/phs/Epidemiology/COVID-19_Daily_Status_Update.pdf

So if you narrow it down to 2 populations, those with at least one injection, and those with no injection, it is 60/40 ? Would like to see the population size and if the data is stat significant.

I have seen a study from the UK that shows the vaccine and boosters are having a negative effect on the immune system. Would like to see the specifics on that as well.

[coffeebean]

There is freakin video of Salensky saying it!

You can say she never said it all you want, but it's on tape! Same with Fauci!

But sure, keep touting your lie...I know you believe it...

Please provide the link of Dr. Salensky saying the vaccine will prevent Covid. I looked for it but came up dry. I never heard any of the doctors or immunologists or scientists say that if you get vaccinated, you will not get Covid. That was just not relayed to me and I was a sponge listening and watching these experts being interviewed on TV. First of all, no scientist would ever make that sort of claim if they are worth their weight in salt. (Is that how that saying goes????)

Old proverb I have lived by all of my adult life....."Never say never and never say all".

[Whitley]

What data shows that?

https://www.sandiegocounty.gov/content/dam/sdc/hhsa/programs/phs/Epidemiology/COVID-19_Daily_Status_Update.pdf

I wonder if not fully vaccinated includes those with one shot.?

[coffeebean]

Love your positive attitude. Hope you are feeling better. We went on a cruise in May and no issues. But now that cruise lines are allowing people onboard without vaccinations however must be tested (not sure of the 'home tests allowed'), I'm a little more hesitant but that's not going to stop me from going soon!

This virus is endemic now so we must learn to live with it just like we live with the common cold and influenza viruses. Go on your cruise and enjoy. Yes, there will be plenty of non vaccinated people on board and yes they will crowd the elevators and other common spaces on board. The ships are sailing close to, if not, full capacities now.

[coffeebean]

I wonder if not fully vaccinated includes those with one shot.?

With a two shot regime to be "fully vaccinated", having only one shot does not qualify an individual as "fully vaccinated". Sorry. They come up short.

[coffeebean]

I would like to thank everyone for this lively discussion on this thread that I started. I'd also like to thank all of you who have wished me well.
Very sincerely,

[CFrance]

Compliance of the masses was much greater to combat the polio virus. There was not an anti-vaxxer movement so great that made people fear the vaccine. Thank goodness people back then complied and did the right thing by getting vaccinated. In the words of George M. Cohan......"My mother thanks you, my father thanks you, my sister thanks you and I thank you."
Touché, coffeebean, and thank you.

Also, I'm surprised that the doctors and others among the posters here do not accept that medical knowledge is always changing and updated. What was purported as truth in the past has always been susceptible to change due to experience and further research. I know people will debate that on a political bias. But my husband and I haven't had the flu in 30 years since starting the flu shot, and we've managed to skirt Covid so far.


My brother and I received the first doses of polio vaccine in Pittsburgh. There was never a doubt that our parents would deny us that. Did they take a chance? Yes. Could further research have cast doubt upon the polio vaccine safety? Yes. Nothing is guaranteed in life, but we're still here, and yet polio is starting to appear again, why...

[Whitley]

With a two shot regime to be "fully vaccinated", having only one shot does not qualify an individual as "fully vaccinated". Sorry. They come up short.

Thank you for the reply, I meant in the studies where they compare unvaccinated, fully vaccinated and boosted. I wonder if the unvaccinated counts include those with one shot.

Glad you are well

[Whitley]

That is simply not true...

We were told (at the beginning) that vaccine had a 95% success rate in PREVENTING you from getting covid (the J&J vaccine was said to have a lower prevention rate). Fauci said it, the director of the CDC (Walensky) said it, multiple newscasters said it, even the POTUS said it. It quite easy to find videos of all of them saying it, on more than one occasion. It wasn't anyone "misspeaking"...

It wasn't until they found out that it didn't have that 95% protection rate that they changed their tune...


I agree with you. Too often today when someone speaks and are shown to have made a comment that is untrue, instead of apologizing, correcting, rethinking they change the definition of words.

[Whitley]

The vaccine has never (other than one misspeaking) been touted as PREVENTING COVID. EVER. It reduces incidence and reduces death rate and reduces hospitalizations. IT HELPS.

People build straw men saying "it doesn't stop COVID" and then look for ways to prove their straw man.

And the reason more people that are vaccinated are getting COVID is pretty hard to understand, maybe it has to do with 80% of the population being vaccinated? (depending on who you believe that number varies from 65% to 90%. It also varies if you mean fully 4 shots or at least 1 shot). In any case, most (more than half) of people have been vaccinated.

Two years, and we still have all this nonsense. Now measles, polio and others are making a comeback because of anti-vaxers.

67% of the population are fully vaccinated (2 shots) 32% are fully vaxed and up to date on boosters.
US Coronavirus vaccine tracker | USAFacts (https://usafacts.org/visualizations/covid-vaccine-tracker-states/)

[JMintzer]

Compliance of the masses was much greater to combat the polio virus. There was not an anti-vaxxer movement so great that made people fear the vaccine. Thank goodness people back then complied and did the right thing by getting vaccinated. In the words of George M. Cohan......"My mother thanks you, my father thanks you, my sister thanks you and I thank you."

But that does not address the "mutation" problem...

[JMintzer]

Please provide the link of Dr. Salensky saying the vaccine will prevent Covid. I looked for it but came up dry. I never heard any of the doctors or immunologists or scientists say that if you get vaccinated, you will not get Covid. That was just not relayed to me and I was a sponge listening and watching these experts being interviewed on TV. First of all, no scientist would ever make that sort of claim if they are worth their weight in salt. (Is that how that saying goes????)

Old proverb I have lived by all of my adult life....."Never say never and never say all".

Here you go...

https://youtu.be/S-2nE6AK1OU

Go to the 4 minute mark...

[Whitley]

When I get old I hope my life doesn’t boil down to spending my days arguing with strangers on the internet over the same old beaten to death topics. What was the purpose of moving to The Villages?

Hi. Yes, I understand what you are saying but there are three questions you need to answer, are you wearing a mask when alone, are you fully vaxed, and do you let your dog, real or imagined, urinate on your neighbors lawn?

Let's move on ( Wondering if I will get the righteous poster saying "there are those who died and can not move on; what about them?")

[Whitley]

[QUOTE=kendi;2129790]CoVID 19 vaccines are not protecting you anymore. Boosters only last 4 weeks and aren’t effective against

[Whitley]

I have already had the luck of not getting Covid before it mutated in this little kitten of a virus. I can thank the vaccine for my luck. Once I was fully vaccinated, I didn't live in fear enjoying life, took off my mask and never looked back. All thanks to the vaccine.

I would be one of those high risk individuals. Chemo, lobe of my right lung removed, mesentery. No vaccine, but the local hospital had my onc instructions on what to do if I tested positive or was exposed. I did not alter my lifestyle at all, and never got covid. My wife and one of my children had it. My secretary and office cleaning lady had it. I did not. All of them were vaccinated, boosted etc.. Some with the boosters have had it two times. Not sure what if anything this means. Same with your being boosted and not sure what, if anything it means.
(Note: When my wife tested positive I went to the hospital as planned and was told that as of the night before they were not permitted to give that treatment.)
IMO there is no definitive conclusion concerning how effective it is. Do what you feel is right for you, try not to judge others, pray and enjoy the time we have.

[Whitley]

Please provide the link of Dr. Salensky saying the vaccine will prevent Covid. I looked for it but came up dry. I never heard any of the doctors or immunologists or scientists say that if you get vaccinated, you will not get Covid. That was just not relayed to me and I was a sponge listening and watching these experts being interviewed on TV. First of all, no scientist would ever make that sort of claim if they are worth their weight in salt. (Is that how that saying goes????)

Old proverb I have lived by all of my adult life....."Never say never and never say all".


Walensky told a Senate committee Wednesday that data now shows fully vaccinated individuals can't pass Covid-19 to other people. (Wed May 19, 2021 before Congress)
On March 29, Walensky told MSNBC that "Our data from the CDC today suggests that vaccinated people do not carry the virus, don't get sick."
Walensky and the CDC made many statements that then had to be walked back.

Fact check: Four times Walensky's comments were out of step with CDC guidance - CNNPolitics (https://www.cnn.com/2021/05/21/politics/walensky-comments-cdc-guidance-fact-check/index.html)

[coffeebean]

Touché, coffeebean, and thank you.

Also, I'm surprised that the doctors and others among the posters here do not accept that medical knowledge is always changing and updated. What was purported as truth in the past has always been susceptible to change due to experience and further research. I know people will debate that on a political bias. But my husband and I haven't had the flu in 30 years since starting the flu shot, and we've managed to skirt Covid so far.


My brother and I received the first doses of polio vaccine in Pittsburgh. There was never a doubt that our parents would deny us that. Did they take a chance? Yes. Could further research have cast doubt upon the polio vaccine safety? Yes. Nothing is guaranteed in life, but we're still here, and yet polio is starting to appear again, why...

You are very welcome!

I think we all know the answer to your query.

[Whitley]

I would like to thank everyone for this lively discussion on this thread that I started. I'd also like to thank all of you who have wished me well.
Very sincerely,

You have made a good effort to cut it off. Regrettably the thread has taken on a life of its own. It's ALIVE.

[coffeebean]

Thank you for the reply, I meant in the studies where they compare unvaccinated, fully vaccinated and boosted. I wonder if the unvaccinated counts include those with one shot.

Glad you are well

Sorry, I misunderstood your original intention. I have no answer but if I am allowed to make a purely uneducated guess.........my money would be on those who only had one shot of a two shot regimen would be considered UN- Vaccinated in any study out there.

[coffeebean]

67% of the population are fully vaccinated (2 shots) 32% are fully vaxed and up to date on boosters.
US Coronavirus vaccine tracker | USAFacts (https://usafacts.org/visualizations/covid-vaccine-tracker-states/)

Those stats are just sad, sad, sad. It does not bode well for our population, IMHO. We look like fools on the world stage. Another coffeebean opinion.

[coffeebean]

But that does not address the "mutation" problem...

Is it possible that because there was a massive effort to vaccinate our population against the polio virus, the virus didn't have much opportunity to mutate? Isn't that the idea of vaccinating the masses and attempting to achieve herd immunity? Asking those who are know more than I do.

[JMintzer]

Is it possible that because there was a massive effort to vaccinate our population against the polio virus, the virus didn't have much opportunity to mutate? Isn't that the idea of vaccinating the masses and attempting to achieve herd immunity? Asking those who are know more than I do.

Polio was a worldwide problem. Yes, the US did a great job in mass vaccination, but the rest of the world did not. There was plenty of time for it to mutate...

[coffeebean]

Here you go...

https://youtu.be/S-2nE6AK1OU

Go to the 4 minute mark...

Thank you for providing the link. I went to the 4 minute mark as you said. What I saw was a graphic for REAL WORLD EFFECTIVENESS OF cOVID-19 VACCINES.

Symptomatic infections: 97% effective
Asymptomatic infections: 86% effective

Then there is a couple more criteria, one being 90% effective and the other being 94% effective.

Now.....from where I sit, those percentages do not indicate 100% effectiveness. That means to me that there is a percentage of people who will develop Covid. That was always my understanding of what the doctors, scientists and immunologists said to the American people. I have no idea why anyone would believe that these people told us if you get vaccinated, you will NOT get Covid. That is not what they said to us.

[coffeebean]

Polio was a worldwide problem. Yes, the US did a great job in mass vaccination, but the rest of the world did not. There was plenty of time for it to mutate...

Yes, that is a good point but our population was not overtly effected by the mutations.

[Love2Swim]

Those stats are just sad, sad, sad. It does not bode well for our population, IMHO. We look like fools on the world stage. Another coffeebean opinion.

I agree with you. One of the most prosperous countries on earth, and apparently one of the most clueless...

[Caymus]

Those stats are just sad, sad, sad. It does not bode well for our population, IMHO. We look like fools on the world stage. Another coffeebean opinion.

Let's see how this mandate will work in DC,

40 Percent of D.C.'s Black Teens Will Soon Be Barred From School Because They Aren't Vaccinated (https://reason.com/2022/08/26/40-percent-of-d-c-s-black-teens-will-soon-be-barred-from-school-because-they-arent-vaccinated/)

[Boston-Sean]

Is it possible that because there was a massive effort to vaccinate our population against the polio virus, the virus didn't have much opportunity to mutate? Isn't that the idea of vaccinating the masses and attempting to achieve herd immunity? Asking those who are know more than I do.

Most animals carry Coivd. Even if your fantasy of every human getting a weekly booster came true we'd still have covid.

[Boston-Sean]

I have no idea why anyone would believe that these people told us if you get vaccinated, you will NOT get Covid. That is not what they said to us.

Probably once a week Tucker plays clips of Fauci, Wallensky, Biden and others saying exactly that.

[Boston-Sean]

I'm old enough to remember when all we heard was that this was a pandemic of the unvaccinated.

Oh Wait. That was about 20 minutes ago.

[Byte1]

I think it is great that some folks believe that the vaccinations for Covid work for them. Keep getting them if they make you feel more secure. I will never attempt to discourage them from getting their shots. In my case, I am in my 70's and every year I get blood work done prior to my annual checkup. My blood work is always fine; no cholesterol problems, A1C level is fine, and all my other blood related tests come out fine. I have never had the flu and never get the flu shot. But, I never tell folks they shouldn't get the flu shot. My children have had covid prior to the vaccinations, and now refuse to get the shots. That's their choice. I got the shots because I was told at the beginning that if I had the shots I wouldn't be able to give the virus to my wife. I believe I was misinformed. My wife caught covid (mild case) and gave it to me (a mild case). Neither of us have had the booster shots and have decided not to get the shots for now. On the other hand, we have relatives that get EVERY booster shot as soon as they become available and they have also had the Covid. I am sure that they will rush to get the MonkeyPox vaccination as soon as they are available. I won't try to dissuade them from getting vaccinated.
I am happy for those that get Covid and are overjoyed that they are going to get better because they have their vaccinations. Maybe they are correct; who knows? I am not a medical professional so I certainly do not know the answer to the question as to the idea of whether or not the vaccination is a placebo to some folks.
By the way, when we got the Covid, we only took over the counter cold meds and we did fine. Because we had the covid vaccination? Because we are healthy? I am, but she isn't.
I have found that if I stock my medicine cabinet up with cold medicine, I do not catch a cold. Haven't had a cold in about 10 years.

[coffeebean]

Most animals carry Coivd. Even if your fantasy of every human getting a weekly booster came true we'd still have covid.

But we didn't have Covid prior to December 2019. This was a neuvo corona virus to humans back then? Neuvo meaning new.

[coffeebean]

Probably once a week Tucker plays clips of Fauci, Wallensky, Biden and others saying exactly that.

Let me put it this way.......

If someone says to me there is a 95% chance you WILL NOT GET COVID, that means to me there is a 5% chance I WILL GET COVID. It is all about perspective and my perspective must be different than yours.

The American people were never told they would not get Covid 100% if they were vaccinated. That video posted up thread proves that and the poster who posted the video was attempting to show just the opposite. LOL.

GE.......please weigh in on this debate.

[JMintzer]

Thank you for providing the link. I went to the 4 minute mark as you said. What I saw was a graphic for REAL WORLD EFFECTIVENESS OF cOVID-19 VACCINES.

Symptomatic infections: 97% effective
Asymptomatic infections: 86% effective

Then there is a couple more criteria, one being 90% effective and the other being 94% effective.

Now.....from where I sit, those percentages do not indicate 100% effectiveness. That means to me that there is a percentage of people who will develop Covid. That was always my understanding of what the doctors, scientists and immunologists said to the American people. I have no idea why anyone would believe that these people told us if you get vaccinated, you will NOT get Covid. That is not what they said to us.

If you actually listened to what she said and didn't just look at the graphics, you'll see I was correct.

I never stated anyone EVER claimed 100% effectiveness. I Clearly stated we were told it was 95% effective in protection from GETTING covid.

Just like the flu shot is not 100% effective, it does PREVENT infection in most cases.

Why would anyone believe if they got the shot, they would not get covid?
Because that is what they TOLD US would happen, 95% of the time...

Now they've changed their tune and they (along with you and many others) insist they never said that. That we were always told it would only lessen the infection and lower death rates and hospitalizations...

The link I provide PROVES that is not what they said, at all...

[JMintzer]

Yes, that is a good point but our population was not overtly effected by the mutations.

Neither was the rest of the world, once they received the vaccine.

It's because that was an effective vaccine...`

It seems to me, that the old, egg based vaccines worked and the newer M-RNA based vaccines are not yet ready for prime time...

[JMintzer]

Let me put it this way.......

If someone says to me there is a 95% chance you WILL NOT GET COVID, that means to me there is a 5% chance I WILL GET COVID. It is all about perspective and my perspective must be different than yours.

The American people were never told they would not get Covid 100% if they were vaccinated. That video posted up thread proves that and the poster who posted the video was attempting to show just the opposite. LOL.

GE.......please weigh in on this debate.

We don't need GE to weigh in... I'm also a physician...

All you are doing is trying to parse out the 5% failure rate that was initially stated into what they are now saying. Which is that they NEVER said it would prevent one from catching covid, and that it would only lessen the severity and death rate...

That is patently incorrect...

[Altavia]

...`

It seems to me, that the old, egg based vaccines worked and the newer M-RNA based vaccines are not yet ready for prime time...

Because?

[JMintzer]

Because?

Because they actually prevented one from catching the disease and the new ones don't...

There is an entirely different process in obtaining the immune response between using an attenuated virus and using the M-RNA technique...

Could live attenuated vaccines better control COVID-19? - PMC (https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC8354792/)

[coffeebean]

If you actually listened to what she said and didn't just look at the graphics, you'll see I was correct.

I never stated anyone EVER claimed 100% effectiveness. I Clearly stated we were told it was 95% effective in protection from GETTING covid.

Just like the flu shot is not 100% effective, it does PREVENT infection in most cases.

Why would anyone believe if they got the shot, they would not get covid?
Because that is what they TOLD US would happen, 95% of the time...

Now they've changed their tune and they (along with you and many others) insist they never said that. That we were always told it would only lessen the infection and lower death rates and hospitalizations...

The link I provide PROVES that is not what they said, at all...

What I heard Dr. Walensky say is AND I QUOTE, "In the rare event that people get infected after a vaccine, the infection is more likely to have a lower viral load, shorter in duration and likely less risky of transmission to others".

Dr. Walensky, in this linked video up-thread, did not say NO ONE would get Covid if they were vaccinated. She just did not say that and I never heard any other scientist or doctor, including Dr. Fauci, say that.

I guess people hear what they WANT to hear.

[coffeebean]

Neither was the rest of the world, once they received the vaccine.

It's because that was an effective vaccine...`

It seems to me, that the old, egg based vaccines worked and the newer M-RNA based vaccines are not yet ready for prime time...

The mRNA vaccines may not prevent the disease but they certainly do a great job of preventing severe infection in people who had a good response to the vaccine. Those unfortunate people who are immunocompromised and had little or no response from the mRNA vaccines are the people who do not benefit from those vaccines.

[coffeebean]

Because they actually prevented one from catching the disease and the new ones don't...

There is an entirely different process in obtaining the immune response between using an attenuated virus and using the M-RNA technique...

Could live attenuated vaccines better control COVID-19? - PMC (https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC8354792/)

Certainly agree that it would be wonderful if a vaccine that actually PREVENTS Covid were developed. Sign me up!!!!

[Altavia]

Because they actually prevented one from catching the disease and the new ones don't...

There is an entirely different process in obtaining the immune response between using an attenuated virus and using the M-RNA technique...

Could live attenuated vaccines better control COVID-19? - PMC (https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC8354792/)

Very interesting - thanks!

[Boston-Sean]

What I heard Dr. Walensky say is AND I QUOTE, "In the rare event that people get infected after a vaccine, the infection is more likely to have a lower viral load, shorter in duration and likely less risky of transmission to others".

Dr. Walensky, in this linked video up-thread, did not say NO ONE would get Covid if they were vaccinated. She just did not say that and I never heard any other scientist or doctor, including Dr. Fauci, say that.

I guess people hear what they WANT to hear.

From a little over a year ago:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OrjMLONm-Bw

At the 5:40 mark:

Fauci: "If you're vaccinated you don't have a risk. If you're vaccinated you're safe, if you're unvaccinated you're at risk."

Do you need to consult with a physician to determine the meaning of that?


Some people just don't want to face the fact that they were fooled.

[Caymus]

From a little over a year ago:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OrjMLONm-Bw

At the 5:40 mark:

Fauci: "If you're vaccinated you don't have a risk. If you're vaccinated you're safe, if you're unvaccinated you're at risk."

Do you need to consult with a physician to determine the meaning of that?


Some people just don't want to face the fact that they were fooled.

Depends on the definition of"safe":icon_wink::icon_wink::icon_wink::

[threeonemiles@outlook.com]

From a little over a year ago:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OrjMLONm-Bw

At the 5:40 mark:

Fauci: "If you're vaccinated you don't have a risk. If you're vaccinated you're safe, if you're unvaccinated you're at risk."

Do you need to consult with a physician to determine the meaning of that?


Some people just don't want to face the fact that they were fooled.
I can't believe that Herr Doctor deceived us. Shocking, just shocking!!! We live in a free country, for how long, we don't know. If some wish to be kept in the dark, deceived, coerced, become a pin cushion, by all means have at it. Seek the truthful facts, not what the media propaganda tells you. Think for yourself.

[threeonemiles@outlook.com]

From a little over a year ago:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OrjMLONm-Bw

At the 5:40 mark:

Fauci: "If you're vaccinated you don't have a risk. If you're vaccinated you're safe, if you're unvaccinated you're at risk."

Do you need to consult with a physician to determine the meaning of that?


Some people just don't want to face the fact that they were fooled.
Half of All Long COVID Cases Have Psychiatric and Neurological Symptoms
According to a study published in the Journal of Infectious Diseases in 2022, among the top 18 symptoms of long COVID, 50 percent of them are neuropsychiatric ones, including memory problems, sleep problems, brain fog, anxiety, depression, smell or taste disorders, dizziness, and headaches.

An article in the journal Science suggests that vaccination may also cause rare symptoms similar to those of long COVID.

These symptoms can have a significant impact on people’s daily work and life.

[JMintzer]

What I heard Dr. Walensky say is AND I QUOTE, "In the rare event that people get infected after a vaccine, the infection is more likely to have a lower viral load, shorter in duration and likely less risky of transmission to others".

Dr. Walensky, in this linked video up-thread, did not say NO ONE would get Covid if they were vaccinated. She just did not say that and I never heard any other scientist or doctor, including Dr. Fauci, say that.

I guess people hear what they WANT to hear.

Yes, you're hearing what you want to hear. You cherry picked ONE sentence out of what she said...

And for the umpteenth time, NO ONE has ever claimed that NO ONE would ever get covid if vaccinated. I most certainly didn't do it...

They DID claim (including Walensky, when citing the Israeli studies) that there would be protection against infection 95% of the time...

95% ≠ 100%

And certain very high ranking politicians (who shall remain nameless, lest I get another vacation) and famous news casters DID say that "if you got the shot, you would NOT catch the virus"...

[JMintzer]

From a little over a year ago:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OrjMLONm-Bw

At the 5:40 mark:

Fauci: "If you're vaccinated you don't have a risk. If you're vaccinated you're safe, if you're unvaccinated you're at risk."

Do you need to consult with a physician to determine the meaning of that?


Some people just don't want to face the fact that they were fooled.

But, But, But... No one ever said that! Wait, what?

[Caymus]

Next shots not fully tested (behind pay wall)

Latest Covid Boosters Are Set to Roll Out Before Human Testing Is Completed - WSJ (https://www.wsj.com/articles/latest-covid-boosters-are-set-to-roll-out-before-human-testing-is-completed-11661679003)

[Boston-Sean]

FYI, the CDC just admitted that everything they've been saying for 2 years about Covid was wrong and/or no longer applies. No doubt this will be ignored by many people who will behave like the Japanese soldiers who refused to surrender after the war was over.

This piece lays it all out. My favorite graph is this one:

Everything the CDC is now recommending was blasphemy punishable by public shaming, deplatforming and delicensing, all the way up to the day the CDC posted the new guidelines. Every COVID article and fact check ever written is now completely off-script, as are countless public statements made by public health officials.

CDC Backtracks on COVID Guidance as Damning Studies Mount (https://www.theepochtimes.com/cdc-backtracks-on-covid-guidance-as-damning-studies-mount_4691002.html?utm_source=Health&utm_campaign=health-2022-08-28&utm_medium=email&est=v7NJTRBIONgvQvrXzXrr1QAGIur%2FqQF07h2%2BhOtrjc h7fGCIA8qtJq0tolHYT2r0A%2BZtSA%3D%3D)

[tophcfa]

FYI, the CDC just admitted that everything they've been saying for 2 years about Covid was wrong and/or no longer applies. No doubt this will be ignored by many people who will behave like the Japanese soldiers who refused to surrender after the war was over.

This piece lays it all out. My favorite graph is this one:

Everything the CDC is now recommending was blasphemy punishable by public shaming, deplatforming and delicensing, all the way up to the day the CDC posted the new guidelines. Every COVID article and fact check ever written is now completely off-script, as are countless public statements made by public health officials.

CDC Backtracks on COVID Guidance as Damning Studies Mount (https://www.theepochtimes.com/cdc-backtracks-on-covid-guidance-as-damning-studies-mount_4691002.html?utm_source=Health&utm_campaign=health-2022-08-28&utm_medium=email&est=v7NJTRBIONgvQvrXzXrr1QAGIur%2FqQF07h2%2BhOtrjc h7fGCIA8qtJq0tolHYT2r0A%2BZtSA%3D%3D)

It’s very easy to find an article, study, opinion piece, etc…. that supports one’s predetermined perspective about any controversial issue. In my opinion the CDC did the best they could do, while trying to learn and react on the fly to a very serious and unique global pandemic. Sure, some of the things they did might have been done differently with the benefit of hindsight, but that can be said about a lot of things. They had a very difficult job, wayyyyyyyy more difficult than being a Monday morning quarterback.

[Altavia]

FYI, the CDC just admitted that everything they've been saying for 2 years about Covid was wrong and/or no longer applies. No doubt this will be ignored by many people who will behave like the Japanese soldiers who refused to surrender after the war was over.

This piece lays it all out. My favorite graph is this one:

Everything the CDC is now recommending was blasphemy punishable by public shaming, deplatforming and delicensing, all the way up to the day the CDC posted the new guidelines. Every COVID article and fact check ever written is now completely off-script, as are countless public statements made by public health officials.

CDC Backtracks on COVID Guidance as Damning Studies Mount (https://www.theepochtimes.com/cdc-backtracks-on-covid-guidance-as-damning-studies-mount_4691002.html?utm_source=Health&utm_campaign=health-2022-08-28&utm_medium=email&est=v7NJTRBIONgvQvrXzXrr1QAGIur%2FqQF07h2%2BhOtrjc h7fGCIA8qtJq0tolHYT2r0A%2BZtSA%3D%3D)

So what did this paragraph tell you?

"The CDC insists that while COVID-19 infection continues to be a reality around the world, “high levels of vaccine- and infection-induced immunity and the availability of effective treatments and prevention tools have substantially reduced the risk for medically significant COVID-19 illness … and associated hospitalization and death.”"

The risks have evolved since hospitals were overflowing with critically ill people. The situation is far different today since close to 70% of the population are vaccinated and about 70% of the population is exhibiting natural antibodies resulting in significantly reduced risk of hospitalization and death.

[coffeebean]

From a little over a year ago:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OrjMLONm-Bw

At the 5:40 mark:

Fauci: "If you're vaccinated you don't have a risk. If you're vaccinated you're safe, if you're unvaccinated you're at risk."

Do you need to consult with a physician to determine the meaning of that?


Some people just don't want to face the fact that they were fooled.

Dr. Fauci did say, "your vaccinated, you are safe, you are un-vaccinated you are at risk". That, to me, is the opposite of the proverb I have lived my adult life by which is , Never say "never" and never say "all". That is what he did and his statement has come back to bite him in the ass. I did not see this interview and of course, I have never seen all the interviews these people in high places have conducted over the course of this pandemic.

I can see Dr. Fauci extremely FRUSTRATED in this interview that there are areas of the US that are far below the level of people vaccinated in other countries. I can see he is adamant about firing up the American people to do the right thing so we could stamp out this virus. With all his frustration, I believe he did the wrong thing by saying what he did.

I admit I was wrong. Dr. Fauci sent an incorrect message.

[coffeebean]

We don't need GE to weigh in... I'm also a physician...

All you are doing is trying to parse out the 5% failure rate that was initially stated into what they are now saying. Which is that they NEVER said it would prevent one from catching covid, and that it would only lessen the severity and death rate...

That is patently incorrect...

What do you mean by "patently"?

[coffeebean]

From a little over a year ago:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OrjMLONm-Bw

At the 5:40 mark:

Fauci: "If you're vaccinated you don't have a risk. If you're vaccinated you're safe, if you're unvaccinated you're at risk."

Do you need to consult with a physician to determine the meaning of that?


Some people just don't want to face the fact that they were fooled.
There is no way on earth I feel "fooled". This vaccine has saved countless lives. There is no denying that. The vaccines have been proven to offer protection from severe disease and death in people who had a good response from the vaccines.

[coffeebean]

FYI, the CDC just admitted that everything they've been saying for 2 years about Covid was wrong and/or no longer applies. No doubt this will be ignored by many people who will behave like the Japanese soldiers who refused to surrender after the war was over.

This piece lays it all out. My favorite graph is this one:

Everything the CDC is now recommending was blasphemy punishable by public shaming, deplatforming and delicensing, all the way up to the day the CDC posted the new guidelines. Every COVID article and fact check ever written is now completely off-script, as are countless public statements made by public health officials.

CDC Backtracks on COVID Guidance as Damning Studies Mount (https://www.theepochtimes.com/cdc-backtracks-on-covid-guidance-as-damning-studies-mount_4691002.html?utm_source=Health&utm_campaign=health-2022-08-28&utm_medium=email&est=v7NJTRBIONgvQvrXzXrr1QAGIur%2FqQF07h2%2BhOtrjc h7fGCIA8qtJq0tolHYT2r0A%2BZtSA%3D%3D)
The Epoch Times Bias and Reliability - Ad Fontes Media (https://adfontesmedia.com/epoch-times-bias-and-reliability/)

[coffeebean]

It’s very easy to find an article, study, opinion piece, etc…. that supports one’s predetermined perspective about any controversial issue. In my opinion the CDC did the best they could do, while trying to learn and react on the fly to a very serious and unique global pandemic. Sure, some of the things they did might have been done differently with the benefit of hindsight, but that can be said about a lot of things. They had a very difficult job, wayyyyyyyy more difficult than being a Monday morning quarterback.

Agree!

[Flyers999]

Is it possible that because there was a massive effort to vaccinate our population against the polio virus, the virus didn't have much opportunity to mutate? Isn't that the idea of vaccinating the masses and attempting to achieve herd immunity? Asking those who are know more than I do.

Comparing polio to SARS-CoV-2 is comparing apples to oranges. You can’t catch polio by sitting next to someone on a bus. It’s spread via the fecal–oral route. So, if everyone washes their hands and gets a polio vaccine, it goes away. A vaccine cannot eradicate a highly contagious virus like SARS-CoV-2(or Flu). The only way to stop it is the same way the Spanish Flu and SARS-CoV-1 were stopped — by it mutating into a highly contagious benign version that makes one immune to the pernicious versions.

Glad to hear you are OK.

[Boston-Sean]

The Epoch Times Bias and Reliability - Ad Fontes Media (https://adfontesmedia.com/epoch-times-bias-and-reliability/)

(See response from a Japanese soldier above)

Yes, how "biased" of them to cite the CDC's actual documents in that article.

Here is the link to the CDC they noted in the footnotes. Perhaps you can show us what they mischaracterized.

Summary of Guidance for Minimizing the Impact of COVID-19 on Individual Persons, Communities, and Health Care Systems — United States, August 2022 | MMWR (https://www.cdc.gov/mmwr/volumes/71/wr/mm7133e1.htm)

[coffeebean]

Comparing polio to SARS-CoV-2 is comparing apples to oranges. You can’t catch polio by sitting next to someone on a bus. It’s spread via the fecal–oral route. So, if everyone washes their hands and gets a polio vaccine, it goes away. A vaccine cannot eradicate a highly contagious virus like SARS-CoV-2(or Flu). The only way to stop it is the same way the Spanish Flu and SARS-CoV-1 were stopped — by it mutating into a highly contagious benign version that makes one immune to the pernicious versions.

Glad to hear you are OK.

Thank you. And.....thank you for the explanation. Makes a lot of sense.

[coffeebean]

(See response from a Japanese soldier above)

Yes, how "biased" of them to cite the CDC's actual documents in that article.

Here is the link to the CDC they noted in the footnotes. Perhaps you can show us what they mischaracterized.

Summary of Guidance for Minimizing the Impact of COVID-19 on Individual Persons, Communities, and Health Care Systems — United States, August 2022 | MMWR (https://www.cdc.gov/mmwr/volumes/71/wr/mm7133e1.htm)

I didn't even read the article. Just looked a the source and that was it. My bad!!!!

[graciegirl]

FYI, the CDC just admitted that everything they've been saying for 2 years about Covid was wrong and/or no longer applies. No doubt this will be ignored by many people who will behave like the Japanese soldiers who refused to surrender after the war was over.

This piece lays it all out. My favorite graph is this one:

Everything the CDC is now recommending was blasphemy punishable by public shaming, deplatforming and delicensing, all the way up to the day the CDC posted the new guidelines. Every COVID article and fact check ever written is now completely off-script, as are countless public statements made by public health officials.

CDC Backtracks on COVID Guidance as Damning Studies Mount (https://www.theepochtimes.com/cdc-backtracks-on-covid-guidance-as-damning-studies-mount_4691002.html?utm_source=Health&utm_campaign=health-2022-08-28&utm_medium=email&est=v7NJTRBIONgvQvrXzXrr1QAGIur%2FqQF07h2%2BhOtrjc h7fGCIA8qtJq0tolHYT2r0A%2BZtSA%3D%3D)

I think NO Public health governmental group anywhere on this planet was up to the awful surprise of Covid 19. People were unrealistically demanding answers to questions that no one knew the answers to. It will take several years even now until all of the information is validated and we will still be learning things about this damned virus and hopefully it will not continue to evolve and kill the entire human race. So far we have had some lucky breaks or good planning (Whatever your mind set) in getting the vaccine that made the virus less deadly to the vulnerable older population. There is much to criticise and still much to applaud.

[coffeebean]

I think NO Public health governmental group anywhere on this planet was up to the awful surprise of Covid 19. People were unrealistically demanding answers to questions that no one knew the answers to. It will take several years even now until all of the information is validated and we will still be learning things about this damned virus and hopefully it will not continue to evolve and kill the entire human race. So far we have had some lucky breaks or good planning (Whatever your mind set) in getting the vaccine that made the virus less deadly to the vulnerable older population. There is much to criticise and still much to applaud.

Welcome back, Gracie Girl!!!!

OMG. I thought I would never "see" you again.

[Altavia]

(See response from a Japanese soldier above)

Yes, how "biased" of them to cite the CDC's actual documents in that article.

Here is the link to the CDC they noted in the footnotes. Perhaps you can show us what they mischaracterized.

Summary of Guidance for Minimizing the Impact of COVID-19 on Individual Persons, Communities, and Health Care Systems — United States, August 2022 | MMWR (https://www.cdc.gov/mmwr/volumes/71/wr/mm7133e1.htm)

The misrepresention was the obtuse interpretation of the guidance as previously wrong.

"FYI, the CDC just admitted that everything they've been saying for 2 years about Covid was wrong and/or no longer applies."

Nonsense...

The CDC updated the guidance based on the current situation.

Previous guidance was based on the situation at the time provided.

[Altavia]

I didn't even read the article. Just looked a the source and that was it. My bad!!!!

Your instinct was correct.

The Epoc article misrepresented what the CDC said...

[Caymus]

Friday is last day for "free" covid tests

.MSN (https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/biden-administration-to-stop-sending-free-at-home-covid-tests-friday/ar-AA11c7l0?ocid=msedgntp&cvid=ac621fe5262687b61ce858409afe6c25)

[JMintzer]

What do you mean by "patently"?

"Clearly; without doubt."

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[Whitley]

I can't believe that Herr Doctor deceived us. Shocking, just shocking!!! We live in a free country, for how long, we don't know. If some wish to be kept in the dark, deceived, coerced, become a pin cushion, by all means have at it. Seek the truthful facts, not what the media propaganda tells you. Think for yourself.

Fauci would no sooner lie to us than he would hurt a puppy (let's say a beagle).

[Whitley]

There is no way on earth I feel "fooled". This vaccine has saved countless lives. There is no denying that. The vaccines have been proven to offer protection from severe disease and death in people who had a good response from the vaccines.

You say there is no denying that! Part of deciding if I (a complicated patient) should get the vaccine was based on a risk/benefit analysis my medical team did. As pfizer is being forced to release information on the vaccines, information they tried to withhold for 75 years, my doctors are getting quite frustrated and a bit miffed at not being given all of the information upfront. In my case it may not have changed the decision not to get the vaccine but in other cases they tell me it would have changed their recommendation to their patient. When you censor doctors for asking questions, have drug companies withholding results of trials you create more suspicion.

[Whitley]

The damage done from covid and the way it, and the mrna vaccine were handled by the government, media and tech has created long tern negative repercussions. Perhaps one of the organizations that will feel the greatest harm is the CDC. While we are seeing many revered once respected organizations lose the trust of the American people, I never thought the CDC would come to a similar fate. From the CDC giving money to a lab controlled by the Chinese Communist government, money that could very easily be seen as going to gain of function work, To Walensky admitting that they overhyped the vaccine and in spite of what she said publicly they knew it was not going to prevent covid, the CDC has lost the respect of the people. The FBI, IRS, WHO and CDC, once revered (ok, let's take out the IRS) institutions have been damaged.

[Altavia]

You say there is no denying that! Part of deciding if I (a complicated patient) should get the vaccine was based on a risk/benefit analysis my medical team did. As pfizer is being forced to release information on the vaccines, information they tried to withhold for 75 years, my doctors are getting quite frustrated and a bit miffed at not being given all of the information upfront. In my case it may not have changed the decision not to get the vaccine but in other cases they tell me it would have changed their recommendation to their patient. When you censor doctors for asking questions, have drug companies withholding results of trials you create more suspicion.

Yet another debunked anti-vax conspiracy theory.


MSN (https://www.msn.com/en-us/health/medical/newly-released-pfizer-documents-send-anti-vax-conspiracy-theorists-into-an-uproar/ar-AAWXC2S)

Pfizer Forced To Release 9 Pages Of Vaccine Side Effects?! | Rojak Pot (https://www.rojakpot.com/pfizer-9-pages-side-effects/amp/)

[Byte1]

Let me put it this way.......

If someone says to me there is a 95% chance you WILL NOT GET COVID, that means to me there is a 5% chance I WILL GET COVID. It is all about perspective and my perspective must be different than yours.

The American people were never told they would not get Covid 100% if they were vaccinated. That video posted up thread proves that and the poster who posted the video was attempting to show just the opposite. LOL.

GE.......please weigh in on this debate.

Sounds like a glass more than half empty.:beer3:

[Whitley]

Yet another debunked anti-vax conspiracy theory.


MSN (https://www.msn.com/en-us/health/medical/newly-released-pfizer-documents-send-anti-vax-conspiracy-theorists-into-an-uproar/ar-AAWXC2S)

Pfizer Forced To Release 9 Pages Of Vaccine Side Effects?! | Rojak Pot (https://www.rojakpot.com/pfizer-9-pages-side-effects/amp/)

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Fact of the matter is the FDA was trying not to release the pfizer docs because of what was in it. They were claiming it would take 70 to 80 years to release all of these documents. Impossible to do it sooner. Once the judge rejected their claim they magically were able to get it out. Judge scraps 75-year FDA timeline to release Pfizer vaccine safety data, giving agency eight months

I am angry and disappointed in the FDA, the CDC, to some extent Pfizer. What AMAZES me are the people defending them for slow walking the release. People who defend the lies. People who defend the censorship.

[Byte1]

Why don't you have a poll, CB? Find out how many on here have had COVID. Just about everyone I know has had COVID and said it was preferable than the FLU. Of course, I can't speak for the ones that did not survive COVID. Although, the ones that I know that perished due to(?) COVID would probably had the same results if they had the flu. Just guessing, as they were all (2) in pretty bad shape to begin with. Both of them were already in the hospital for life threatening illnesses when they caught the dreaded virus.
I am glad you are on the mend. But, I do not know of anyone in my social/family circle that has not been test/diagnosed with the virus in the past couple of years. I guess I would be celebrating also if I survived an automobile accident in the Villages. Now, that is something to brag about, right?
Just messing with you. I am sincerely glad you are doing better.

Anyone else had the Covid? Congrats to all survivors. :BigApplause:

Public service announcement: Get your COVID vaccinations NOW; they're FREE. And we know how everyone loves FREE stuff. Note: they may or may not protect you, but they are FREE and that's what it's all about, right?

[Whitley]

Why don't you have a poll, CB? Find out how many on here have had COVID. Just about everyone I know has had COVID and said it was preferable than the FLU. Of course, I can't speak for the ones that did not survive COVID. Although, the ones that I know that perished due to(?) COVID would probably had the same results if they had the flu. Just guessing, as they were all (2) in pretty bad shape to begin with. Both of them were already in the hospital for life threatening illnesses when they caught the dreaded virus.
I am glad you are on the mend. But, I do not know of anyone in my social/family circle that has not been test/diagnosed with the virus in the past couple of years. I guess I would be celebrating also if I survived an automobile accident in the Villages. Now, that is something to brag about, right?
Just messing with you. I am sincerely glad you are doing better.

Anyone else had the Covid? Congrats to all survivors. :BigApplause:

Public service announcement: Get your COVID vaccinations NOW; they're FREE. And we know how everyone loves FREE stuff. Note: they may or may not protect you, but they are FREE and that's what it's all about, right?

For reasons having to do with chemo I was not vaccinated. Myself and an infusion center nurse I know who was also not vaccinated have not gotten Covid. Several of those I know who were vaccinated have had it more than once. A sample of this size means nothing. Something to think about though.

[coffeebean]

Your instinct was correct.

The Epoc article misrepresented what the CDC said...

Figures. Thanks for letting me know.

[coffeebean]

"Clearly; without doubt."

patently definition - Google Search (https://www.google.com/search?q=patently+definition&rlz=1C5CHFA_enUS873US874&oq=patently&aqs=chrome.6.69i57j0i512j46i433i512j0i512l3j0i433i 512j0i512l3.5700j0j7&sourceid=chrome&ie=UTF-8)

OK. Thanks.

[coffeebean]

Why don't you have a poll, CB? Find out how many on here have had COVID. Just about everyone I know has had COVID and said it was preferable than the FLU. Of course, I can't speak for the ones that did not survive COVID. Although, the ones that I know that perished due to(?) COVID would probably had the same results if they had the flu. Just guessing, as they were all (2) in pretty bad shape to begin with. Both of them were already in the hospital for life threatening illnesses when they caught the dreaded virus.
I am glad you are on the mend. But, I do not know of anyone in my social/family circle that has not been test/diagnosed with the virus in the past couple of years. I guess I would be celebrating also if I survived an automobile accident in the Villages. Now, that is something to brag about, right?
Just messing with you. I am sincerely glad you are doing better.

Anyone else had the Covid? Congrats to all survivors. :BigApplause:

Public service announcement: Get your COVID vaccinations NOW; they're FREE. And we know how everyone loves FREE stuff. Note: they may or may not protect you, but they are FREE and that's what it's all about, right?

Thank you for your well wishes. I'm doing great.

[Stu from NYC]

Both my wife and I have been double boosted and we both got covid from a close friend.

Thankfully it was a mild case and we are both glad we took the vaccine.

[Boomer]

Fact:

The unconscionable politicizing of Covid killed a lot of people.

Boomer

[coffeebean]

Both my wife and I have been double boosted and we both got covid from a close friend.

Thankfully it was a mild case and we are both glad we took the vaccine.

Glad to hear you and your wife are fine.

[Stu from NYC]

Glad to hear you and your wife are fine.

Thank you. Luckily it was only a few months ago and was a fairly mild variant.

Dr had us take paxlovid and while it helped with the symptoms did get a mild case of rebound covid.

With hindsight would not have done anything differently

[Whitley]

(See response from a Japanese soldier above)

Yes, how "biased" of them to cite the CDC's actual documents in that article.

Here is the link to the CDC they noted in the footnotes. Perhaps you can show us what they mischaracterized.

Summary of Guidance for Minimizing the Impact of COVID-19 on Individual Persons, Communities, and Health Care Systems — United States, August 2022 | MMWR (https://www.cdc.gov/mmwr/volumes/71/wr/mm7133e1.htm)

It doesn't seem to matter any longer if something is true or not. We do not like what a paper reports, we attack the paper not the content. Over the past twelve years we have witnessed the total loss of faith in news, and government organizations.

[Dusty_Star]

Hope you feel better & your husband remains virus free.

[coffeebean]

Hope you feel better & your husband remains virus free.

Thank you. I was fine even with Covid. It was milder than a mild cold and I never lost taste and smell. Hubby tested each time I tested and he remained negative the entire time. I tested negative on day 11 after my initial symptoms and tested negative again 48 hours later. These home tests are great and insurance pays for them.

[Boston-Sean]

I hope everyone is ready for the latest Covid booster shots.

No need to worry. They are perfectly safe. They were tested on 8, as in less than 9 and more than 7, mice.

8 mice.

Best of luck.

[asianthree]

I hope everyone is ready for the latest Covid booster shots.

No need to worry. They are perfectly safe. They were tested on 8, as in less than 9 and more than 7, mice.

8 mice.

Best of luck.

I had reaction to first 1/2 dose of Moderna. So forbidden to receive any other dose. Then again I was exposed for more than a year, on a daily basis, never testing positive. Must have been all the fruit and veggies I ate from our garden without washing gave me a super immune system. :clap2:

[mrf0151]

The very newest Covid Booster was released yesterday 9-7-22. Wife and I both got our shots yesterday but really out of protest. If we were not going on a Mediterranean cruise where Spain is requiring boosters, we would NOT be putting this unknown into our body. It is like they are holding a gun to your head and saying do it or else. It is obvious that we want to travel pretty bad.

[coffeebean]

I hope everyone is ready for the latest Covid booster shots.

No need to worry. They are perfectly safe. They were tested on 8, as in less than 9 and more than 7, mice.

8 mice.

Best of luck.

Thanks. I'm due for my Moderna booster in December. I will be getting it for sure. Funny story about the mice, BTW.

[Altavia]

I had reaction to first 1/2 dose of Moderna. So forbidden to receive any other dose. Then again I was exposed for more than a year, on a daily basis, never testing positive. Must have been all the fruit and veggies I ate from our garden without washing gave me a super immune system. :clap2:

Have you checked with your Doc about Novavax.


Novavax'''s COVID-19 Vaccine: Your Questions Answered > News > Yale Medicine (https://www.yalemedicine.org/news/novavax-covid-vaccine)

"The Novavax vaccine is a traditional one compared to the other vaccines. Its technology has been used before in vaccines to prevent such conditions as shingles, human papillomavirus, and DTaP (diphtheria, tetanus, and pertussis), among others."

[Boston-Sean]

Thanks. I'm due for my Moderna booster in December. I will be getting it for sure. Funny story about the mice, BTW.

Funny because it's true.

[Altavia]

Funny because it's true.

Funny people have no problem having others take the risk for them in clinical trials.

This release is similar to what the U.S. has done when ordering influenza shots for decades.

[JMintzer]

Funny people have no problem having others take the risk for them in clinical trials.

This release is similar to what the U.S. has done when ordering influenza shots for decades.

Except it's not... The flu shots are not approved via "emergency authorization"...

[Altavia]

Except it's not... The flu shots are not approved via "emergency authorization"...


Emergency Use Authorization Vs. Full FDA Approval: What’s the Difference? > News > Yale Medicine (https://www.yalemedicine.org/news/what-does-eua-mean#:~:text=Put%20simply%2C%20an%20emergency%20us e%20authorization%20%28EUA%29%20is,drugs%20and%20v accines%2C%20during%20a%20public%20health%20emerge ncy).

"How does the EUA process differ from the full FDA approval process?

Amid the myriad paperwork/administrative differences between the two options (more detail below), there are two standout differences—and they have nothing to do with the scientific rigor of the trials.

For an EUA for a COVID-19 vaccine, for example, the FDA requires that at least half of the clinical trial participants be followed for at least two months after vaccination. For full FDA approval of a COVID-19 vaccine, participants are followed for at least six months.

The full approval requires more data about the vaccine-maker’s processes and facilities, including inspections of manufacturing plants. "

[JMintzer]

Emergency Use Authorization Vs. Full FDA Approval: What’s the Difference? > News > Yale Medicine (https://www.yalemedicine.org/news/what-does-eua-mean#:~:text=Put%20simply%2C%20an%20emergency%20us e%20authorization%20%28EUA%29%20is,drugs%20and%20v accines%2C%20during%20a%20public%20health%20emerge ncy).

"How does the EUA process differ from the full FDA approval process?

Amid the myriad paperwork/administrative differences between the two options (more detail below), there are two standout differences—and they have nothing to do with the scientific rigor of the trials.

For an EUA for a COVID-19 vaccine, for example, the FDA requires that at least half of the clinical trial participants be followed for at least two months after vaccination. For full FDA approval of a COVID-19 vaccine, participants are followed for at least six months.

The full approval requires more data about the vaccine-maker’s processes and facilities, including inspections of manufacturing plants. "

Last time I checked, 6>2...

And the new vaccine booster? No human testing...

[coffeebean]

Last time I checked, 6>2...

And the new vaccine booster? No human testing...

How did the mice make out?

[JMintzer]

How did the mice make out?

In the back seat of their teeny, tiny car... :laugh:

[coffeebean]

In the back seat of their teeny, tiny car... :laugh:

Too funny!

[Whitley]

How did the mice make out?

The mice are on the roof and we can not get them down.

[Pairadocs]

If it were a vaccine, you wouldn't get covid.

You are correct. Have you noticed how many (is it only in this area, or country wide ?) have NO IDEA of the difference in a "shot" (injection) and a "vaccine". I don't know if it is a good thing, or not such a good thing, that people feel so secure because they have no idea of the difference ? The old saying goes, "ignorance is bliss" doesn't it, seem appropriate these days !