Done with the POA!

[charlie1]

Now that the election is over, I have to say that I am done supporting or being a member of the POA with its current leadership. I am done with them endorsing candidates with only one platform – “Blame the developer”. I am done with them accusing people of being “paid off” by the developer. The POA has become a political organization that is taking an adversarial role with the developer. They are in a war with the developer! Really not sure what else they do at this point! I do not agree with this approach. I believe that the POA should be working in conjunction and together with ANY organization regarding improvements wanted by the majority of the residents. They are not my voice anymore! I have found conversations gets results. I have found willingness to compromise and agreeing to smaller steps will open doors to continued discussions. This is how you help both parties feel good about change and get to mutual agreement. I also have found that demanding never works. It slams the door shut and nothing constructive ever gets accomplished!

[ThirdOfFive]

Now that the election is over, I have to say that I am done supporting or being a member of the POA with its current leadership. I am done with them endorsing candidates with only one platform – “Blame the developer”. I am done with them accusing people of being “paid off” by the developer. The POA has become a political organization that is taking an adversarial role with the developer. They are in a war with the developer! Really not sure what else they do at this point! I do not agree with this approach. I believe that the POA should be working in conjunction and together with ANY organization regarding improvements wanted by the majority of the residents. They are not my voice anymore! I have found conversations gets results. I have found willingness to compromise and agreeing to smaller steps will open doors to continued discussions. This is how you help both parties feel good about change and get to mutual agreement. I also have found that demanding never works. It slams the door shut and nothing constructive ever gets accomplished!
!!!!!

Agree completely.

The developer has a proven track record. This place didn't become the #1 retirement destination city on the planet by accident. I much prefer to go with the tried and true, as opposed to a bunch of disgruntled geezers of unknown backgrounds who may not have even the ghost of a clue as to how things run around here.

I am reminded of a line from the movie The Patriot, when Benjamin Martin asked the question "what is the difference between being ruled by one tyrant 3,000 miles away, or 3,000 tyrants one mile away"? In this case the answer is obvious, at least to me. I moved here with one "tyrant" in charge. That "tyrant" has created something unique in the world and it is growing by leaps and bounds. The "tyrant" as far as I am concerned has fulfilled his end of the bargain with me. I am happy with the status quo and have no desire at all for that to be changed even a little by a bunch of petty little tyrants who, according to some of the posts here and idle conversations here and there, seem to come up as pretty clueless.

[lisaschroder21@gmail.com]

Now that the election is over, I have to say that I am done supporting or being a member of the POA with its current leadership. I am done with them endorsing candidates with only one platform – “Blame the developer”. I am done with them accusing people of being “paid off” by the developer. The POA has become a political organization that is taking an adversarial role with the developer. They are in a war with the developer! Really not sure what else they do at this point! I do not agree with this approach. I believe that the POA should be working in conjunction and together with ANY organization regarding improvements wanted by the majority of the residents. They are not my voice anymore! I have found conversations gets results. I have found willingness to compromise and agreeing to smaller steps will open doors to continued discussions. This is how you help both parties feel good about change and get to mutual agreement. I also have found that demanding never works. It slams the door shut and nothing constructive ever gets accomplished!
I agree! I’m done supporting and following their advice!

[Kenswing]

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[Altavia]

Agreement here with special thanks to all the employees and contractors who make it happen. Everyone I've delt with knows their aspect of the business and has been professional.

[blueash]

You have completely misstated the position of the POA endorsed candidates and I suspect you never accurately read their opinions. Those candidates are not anti-developer in any sense. What they are is pro-resident. In almost all situations what the developer wants and what is good for Villagers is not in any conflict.

But there are situations where the developer has made proposals or moved forward with plans which many do not see as in our best interests. There are many situations where he has refused to help with failures of infrastructure of his team's design. Several examples would include the defective Morse bridge, numerous sinkholes, failing sewer lines, building apartments, taxing by the roof not the square footage which save him millions, the windmill...

Did you ever hear of anyone get a response from the developer when they complain about children living next door, a violation of our covenants which only the Developer has the power to enforce? Contrary to your post, he does not negotiate, he does not enter into discussion to reach mutual understanding. His business model is secrecy and complete control. There are no "conversations that get results"

If there is no organization to represent us when these problems and others happen then we have a monarchy. Note that real local governments have said no to the Developer, Lady Lake and Wildwood included. We do not have any local elected government to say no other than the Sumter county commissioners. When the Developer has oversized influence in who runs and who wins those few positions, we then have no checks or balances.

The POA has taken a position that having commissioners who are not owned by the Developer is a good thing. They are not seeking anti-developer candidates, just looking for people who are not likely to be Morse puppets [see Brett Hage as an example of what the Morse dollars can buy]

[shut the front door]

You have completely misstated the position of the POA endorsed candidates and I suspect you never accurately read their opinions. Those candidates are not anti-developer in any sense. What they are is pro-resident. In almost all situations what the developer wants and what is good for Villagers is not in any conflict.

But there are situations where the developer has made proposals or moved forward with plans which many do not see as in our best interests. There are many situations where he has refused to help with failures of infrastructure of his team's design. Several examples would include the defective Morse bridge, numerous sinkholes, failing sewer lines, building apartments, taxing by the roof not the square footage which save him millions, the windmill...

Did you ever hear of anyone get a response from the developer when they complain about children living next door, a violation of our covenants which only the Developer has the power to enforce? Contrary to your post, he does not negotiate, he does not enter into discussion to reach mutual understanding. His business model is secrecy and complete control. There are no "conversations that get results"

If there is no organization to represent us when these problems and others happen then we have a monarchy. Note that real local governments have said no to the Developer, Lady Lake and Wildwood included. We do not have any local elected government to say no other than the Sumter county commissioners. When the Developer has oversized influence in who runs and who wins those few positions, we then have no checks or balances.

The POA has taken a position that having commissioners who are not owned by the Developer is a good thing. They are not seeking anti-developer candidates, just looking for people who are not likely to be Morse puppets [see Brett Hage as an example of what the Morse dollars can buy]

Very well said. :agree:
The residents of Sumter county have sent a message, twice now.

[Happydaz]

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[Aloha1]

Very well said. :agree:
The residents of Sumter county have sent a message, twice now.

And what exactly was that message? Panos lost, Wiley won. Looks to me like the majority saw through the POA's attempt to influence. And what is this story that one of their picks actually does not live in the district he was elected to represent??

[kkingston57]

Take out a breath of fresh air and enjoy your retirement. There are problems here. We do live in a very well maintained area with very low maintenance costs compared to others. Communiites in S. Florida have same amenities and pay 2-4X more for same services.

Life is too short to get involved in the politics regarding developer vs POA's.

[DAVES]

Take out a breath of fresh air and enjoy your retirement. There are problems here. We do live in a very well maintained area with very low maintenance costs compared to others. Communiites in S. Florida have same amenities and pay 2-4X more for same services.

Life is too short to get involved in the politics regarding developer vs POA's.

People are what they are. REALITY, for too many on too many issues.
It is far easier to complain then to investigate and suggest better solutions.

Imagine if the inmates were running this place. What plants to put in on common grounds. Could we get all to agree? Of course not. Who should pay for it? Anyone but me.

[JoMar]

You have completely misstated the position of the POA endorsed candidates and I suspect you never accurately read their opinions. Those candidates are not anti-developer in any sense. What they are is pro-resident. In almost all situations what the developer wants and what is good for Villagers is not in any conflict.

But there are situations where the developer has made proposals or moved forward with plans which many do not see as in our best interests. There are many situations where he has refused to help with failures of infrastructure of his team's design. Several examples would include the defective Morse bridge, numerous sinkholes, failing sewer lines, building apartments, taxing by the roof not the square footage which save him millions, the windmill...

Did you ever hear of anyone get a response from the developer when they complain about children living next door, a violation of our covenants which only the Developer has the power to enforce? Contrary to your post, he does not negotiate, he does not enter into discussion to reach mutual understanding. His business model is secrecy and complete control. There are no "conversations that get results"

If there is no organization to represent us when these problems and others happen then we have a monarchy. Note that real local governments have said no to the Developer, Lady Lake and Wildwood included. We do not have any local elected government to say no other than the Sumter county commissioners. When the Developer has oversized influence in who runs and who wins those few positions, we then have no checks or balances.

The POA has taken a position that having commissioners who are not owned by the Developer is a good thing. They are not seeking anti-developer candidates, just looking for people who are not likely to be Morse puppets [see Brett Hage as an example of what the Morse dollars can buy]

Semantics? Looks like anti-developer position to me.

[OrangeBlossomBaby]

And what exactly was that message? Panos lost, Wiley won. Looks to me like the majority saw through the POA's attempt to influence. And what is this story that one of their picks actually does not live in the district he was elected to represent??

I don't recall reading anything in the POA newsletter disparaging Wiley. I do remember he was given space for his candidacy position and background, and his few inches of column space were expressed well. Wiley is also not a puppet of the Developer so no idea why you think that's an effective "gotcha" against the POA, if your position is that the POA is anti-Developer.

[Fredster]

Now that the election is over, I have to say that I am done supporting or being a member of the POA with its current leadership. I am done with them endorsing candidates with only one platform – “Blame the developer”. I am done with them accusing people of being “paid off” by the developer. The POA has become a political organization that is taking an adversarial role with the developer. They are in a war with the developer! Really not sure what else they do at this point! I do not agree with this approach. I believe that the POA should be working in conjunction and together with ANY organization regarding improvements wanted by the majority of the residents. They are not my voice anymore! I have found conversations gets results. I have found willingness to compromise and agreeing to smaller steps will open doors to continued discussions. This is how you help both parties feel good about change and get to mutual agreement. I also have found that demanding never works. It slams the door shut and nothing constructive ever gets accomplished!

:agree:Very well stated, and exactly my sentiments!

[Fredster]

You have completely misstated the position of the POA endorsed candidates and I suspect you never accurately read their opinions. Those candidates are not anti-developer in any sense. What they are is pro-resident. In almost all situations what the developer wants and what is good for Villagers is not in any conflict.

But there are situations where the developer has made proposals or moved forward with plans which many do not see as in our best interests. There are many situations where he has refused to help with failures of infrastructure of his team's design. Several examples would include the defective Morse bridge, numerous sinkholes, failing sewer lines, building apartments, taxing by the roof not the square footage which save him millions, the windmill...

Did you ever hear of anyone get a response from the developer when they complain about children living next door, a violation of our covenants which only the Developer has the power to enforce? Contrary to your post, he does not negotiate, he does not enter into discussion to reach mutual understanding. His business model is secrecy and complete control. There are no "conversations that get results"

If there is no organization to represent us when these problems and others happen then we have a monarchy. Note that real local governments have said no to the Developer, Lady Lake and Wildwood included. We do not have any local elected government to say no other than the Sumter county commissioners. When the Developer has oversized influence in who runs and who wins those few positions, we then have no checks or balances.

The POA has taken a position that having commissioners who are not owned by the Developer is a good thing. They are not seeking anti-developer candidates, just looking for people who are not likely to be Morse puppets [see Brett Hage as an example of what the Morse dollars can buy]

Your whole post is anti-developer, not one positive item mentioned,
and that is the problem a lot of us see with the POA.
To me it is polarizing and not very constructive!

[Rwirish]

Totally disagree. The POA provides another perspective. It doesn’t mean you agree with all their positions. How refreshing to hear another point of view.

I’ll continue to support this outstanding publication.

[Luggage]

How many water towers need to fall down and be paid for by residents?

[Luggage]

Even the Great and powerful " OZ" can be wrong sometimes, and that's why you need a POA . The total lack lack of NON senior housing has caused the Great concern for getting reasonable employees who want to work around here. How many employees want to travel 1 hour for work for minimum wage jobs?

[augustnotes]

I agree! I’m done supporting and following their advice!

I keep hearing about the people who agree or disagree with the “developer”, but you never know who this developer is by name. Is it just one company or many companies combined together?

[Joe&Barbara]

So much potential, so little time.

Are you listening Cliff?

[Travelhunter123]

People are what they are. REALITY, for too many on too many issues.
It is far easier to complain then to investigate and suggest better solutions.

Imagine if the inmates were running this place. What plants to put in on common grounds. Could we get all to agree? Of course not. Who should pay for it? Anyone but me.

I’m still laughing. “Anyone but me”

[Love2Swim]

You have completely misstated the position of the POA endorsed candidates and I suspect you never accurately read their opinions. Those candidates are not anti-developer in any sense. What they are is pro-resident. In almost all situations what the developer wants and what is good for Villagers is not in any conflict.

But there are situations where the developer has made proposals or moved forward with plans which many do not see as in our best interests. There are many situations where he has refused to help with failures of infrastructure of his team's design. Several examples would include the defective Morse bridge, numerous sinkholes, failing sewer lines, building apartments, taxing by the roof not the square footage which save him millions, the windmill...

Did you ever hear of anyone get a response from the developer when they complain about children living next door, a violation of our covenants which only the Developer has the power to enforce? Contrary to your post, he does not negotiate, he does not enter into discussion to reach mutual understanding. His business model is secrecy and complete control. There are no "conversations that get results"

If there is no organization to represent us when these problems and others happen then we have a monarchy. Note that real local governments have said no to the Developer, Lady Lake and Wildwood included. We do not have any local elected government to say no other than the Sumter county commissioners. When the Developer has oversized influence in who runs and who wins those few positions, we then have no checks or balances.

The POA has taken a position that having commissioners who are not owned by the Developer is a good thing. They are not seeking anti-developer candidates, just looking for people who are not likely to be Morse puppets [see Brett Hage as an example of what the Morse dollars can buy]

Very well said! I think we are extremely lucky we have the POA and its members who take the time to identify issues, do diligent research, and help resolve these issues that arise for the residents. As you said, without their oversight, we would be living under monarchy rule with no checks and balances. To my way of thinking, that would be really stupid. I would never buy a piece of property in a community where I didn't have a least some means of voicing concerns, and having those concerns listened to. The POA does a good job, represents us all, and there is power in numbers. To sit back and expect that the Developer is looking after our best interests, is just plain foolishness. After all, he is a capitalist - its all about making money, and I have no problem with that, but the POA gives us at least some protection.

For some of the newer residents, a quick reminder about the work the POA did years ago, when they filed the class action lawsuit against the Developer which benefitted the residents to the tune of about $40 million. Google it.

[joelfmi]

What you say is very true for a great deal of communities like the villages.

[kaniess]

The upcoming target of the POA is likely to be the proposed Villages Independent Fire District. The head of the POA was the speaker at last Friday’s Philosophy Club meeting and he had nothing positive to say about the Independent Fire District while complaining that the Developer doesn’t negotiate with him. At least one of the POA endorsed Sumter Co. Commissioners, Jeff Bogue opposes the Independent Fire District. I have read that his son works in Sumter County’s EMT department so there is the appearance of a conflict of interest.

[Romad]

I made a point of listening to every candidate for commissioner. I learned quite a bit about what is happening in the county that we do not hear in the paper or Village News…or from anyone on NextDoor.

It was a good thing, because I almost didn’t support the District 2 candidate because of the POA recommendation. He was the one that had to move because he was re-districted after he filed. But the other POA candidates were not good choices. It was the POA that gave us Search and Miller. I’m still trying to find the campaign filings to see where the money behind the POA candidates came from.

[Steve]

Now that the election is over, I have to say that I am done supporting or being a member of the POA with its current leadership. I am done with them endorsing candidates with only one platform – “Blame the developer”. I am done with them accusing people of being “paid off” by the developer. The POA has become a political organization that is taking an adversarial role with the developer. They are in a war with the developer! Really not sure what else they do at this point! I do not agree with this approach. I believe that the POA should be working in conjunction and together with ANY organization regarding improvements wanted by the majority of the residents. They are not my voice anymore! I have found conversations gets results. I have found willingness to compromise and agreeing to smaller steps will open doors to continued discussions. This is how you help both parties feel good about change and get to mutual agreement. I also have found that demanding never works. It slams the door shut and nothing constructive ever gets accomplished!

I guess you missed it when the Developer's Sumter County Commission raised property taxes 25% in order to eliminate the Developer's impact fees for building new homes. What happened as a result of that was two years ago we threw out three of Developer-backed Commissioners and this year got rid of the other two. One decided to pass on a new term and Gilpin was beaten at the polls. Mission accomplished!

[villagerjack]

Take out a breath of fresh air and enjoy your retirement. There are problems here. We do live in a very well maintained area with very low maintenance costs compared to others. Communiites in S. Florida have same amenities and pay 2-4X more for same services.

Life is too short to get involved in the politics regarding developer vs POA's.

Agree completely. Too much negativity. Nothing is perfect but owning here comes real close.

[BostonRich]

They lost me when I saw that they had "Indigenous People's Day" on their calendar. Trivial? Yup, but that hit me the wrong way.

[jammaiora]

Now that the election is over, I have to say that I am done supporting or being a member of the POA with its current leadership. I am done with them endorsing candidates with only one platform – “Blame the developer”. I am done with them accusing people of being “paid off” by the developer. The POA has become a political organization that is taking an adversarial role with the developer. They are in a war with the developer! Really not sure what else they do at this point! I do not agree with this approach. I believe that the POA should be working in conjunction and together with ANY organization regarding improvements wanted by the majority of the residents. They are not my voice anymore! I have found conversations gets results. I have found willingness to compromise and agreeing to smaller steps will open doors to continued discussions. This is how you help both parties feel good about change and get to mutual agreement. I also have found that demanding never works. It slams the door shut and nothing constructive ever gets accomplished!
You sound a bit "hypocritical". You say the POA is demanding in advocating for residents, but then you are DEMANDING that they deal with the developer in a certain manner. The POA is looking out for all residents, so the BILLIONAIRE developer DOESN'T take advantage of the residents. You sound like another MINION for the developer. HAPPY to see you go!

[Bogie Shooter]

How many water towers need to fall down and be paid for by residents?

What landmarks do you have where you live?

[jammaiora]

I made a point of listening to every candidate for commissioner. I learned quite a bit about what is happening in the county that we do not hear in the paper or Village News…or from anyone on NextDoor.

It was a good thing, because I almost didn’t support the District 2 candidate because of the POA recommendation. He was the one that had to move because he was re-districted after he filed. But the other POA candidates were not good choices. It was the POA that gave us Search and Miller. I’m still trying to find the campaign filings to see where the money behind the POA candidates came from.
I am assuming you are also looking for who financed the two temporary appointments, right? Oh, you already know, the DEVELOPER!

[sallyg]

I have always felt the POA was a resident support organization. If you have ever had a problem and not gotten results, or even a helpful suggestion from the Villages, the POA is usually a great resource. Sorry you feel that way.

[quietpine]

The tax increase actually resulted in something you can see (development south of SR 44 and something you can take to the bank, increased property values north of SR 44. Without new development this place would begin to die on the vine and our property values would go flat then fall. Even if the infrastructure cost burden was shifted to the multiple commercial enterprises in Sumter County the long term effect of growth would be more cost for government. Growth doesn’t pay for itself.

[jjombrello]

Been here 24 years and have read/observed the POA position relative to the Developer and the VHA regularly. Despite claiming to be on the side of the people, the POA positions have generally been anti-developer. Have they produced anything productive? Yes, they have sued the Developer and gained some good things for residents, but generally they take an anti-developer stance when endorsing political candidates and certain actions taken by the Developer, even though those actions were positives for the residents in general. I do not support their positions, nor would I join their organization. I only read their paper because it gets deposited in my driveway and it is properly disposed of after scanning their columns.

[JSR22]

I like the POA. I think they support the residents, and I will continue to be a member.

[rogerk]

So many misstatements! We have the ELECTED CDD Supervisors. They have significant power and authority. The center district works closely and cooperatively with the numbered residential districts AND the commercial districts.

[Bill14564]

The tax increase actually resulted in something you can see (development south of SR 44 and something you can take to the bank, increased property values north of SR 44. Without new development this place would begin to die on the vine and our property values would go flat then fall. Even if the infrastructure cost burden was shifted to the multiple commercial enterprises in Sumter County the long term effect of growth would be more cost for government. Growth doesn’t pay for itself.

Speculation at best. Home prices were rising when I purchased even though the development South of 44 was drawing buyers away from pre-owned sales.

Without new development we would live in a roughly 20 square mile retirement community with dozens of golf course, pools, and recreation centers and three town squares with shopping and dining options. The Villages was the place to buy even when it was understood that development would stop at 44. Far from dying on the vine.

I'm not sure anyone understands what the tax increase went towards. $25M per year seems like a lot of money to purchase one-time improvements to county roads made necessary by the new development.

[jebartle]

Now that the election is over, I have to say that I am done supporting or being a member of the POA with its current leadership. I am done with them endorsing candidates with only one platform – “Blame the developer”. I am done with them accusing people of being “paid off” by the developer. The POA has become a political organization that is taking an adversarial role with the developer. They are in a war with the developer! Really not sure what else they do at this point! I do not agree with this approach. I believe that the POA should be working in conjunction and together with ANY organization regarding improvements wanted by the majority of the residents. They are not my voice anymore! I have found conversations gets results. I have found willingness to compromise and agreeing to smaller steps will open doors to continued discussions. This is how you help both parties feel good about change and get to mutual agreement. I also have found that demanding never works. It slams the door shut and nothing constructive ever gets accomplished!

Charlie, would you consider running for congress, we need you!!!!

[Romad]

So many misstatements! We have the ELECTED CDD Supervisors. They have significant power and authority. The center district works closely and cooperatively with the numbered residential districts AND the commercial districts.

You are asking the real question. Why did all of the CDD supervisors run unopposed? Who are they really? Why didn’t the POA run candidates for the CDDs if they are really for the residents?

[Bilyclub]

So many misstatements! We have the ELECTED CDD Supervisors. They have significant power and authority. The center district works closely and cooperatively with the numbered residential districts AND the commercial districts.


Really, they why is the PWAC going to be forced to recommend replacing the windmill/water tower according to the Sumter Landing CDD's lawyer. The contract to decide how the money is spent is heavily weighted in the developers favor and the Sumter Landing Commercial District has the last say in it.

[dwoodley1975]

Charlie, you run.

[Bill14564]

Really, they why is the PWAC going to be forced to recommend replacing the windmill/water tower according to the Sumter Landing CDD's lawyer. The contract to decide how the money is spent is heavily weighted in the developers favor and the Sumter Landing Commercial District has the last say in it.

The PWAC can't be forced to recommend anything but it would be in their best interest not to recommend against honoring existing contracts. The windmill and water tower are part of the list of things to be maintained by the PWAC. The current PWAC members may not have signed that contract but they have to honor it.

[jrandall]

Now that the election is over, I have to say that I am done supporting or being a member of the POA with its current leadership. I am done with them endorsing candidates with only one platform – “Blame the developer”. I am done with them accusing people of being “paid off” by the developer. The POA has become a political organization that is taking an adversarial role with the developer. They are in a war with the developer! Really not sure what else they do at this point! I do not agree with this approach. I believe that the POA should be working in conjunction and together with ANY organization regarding improvements wanted by the majority of the residents. They are not my voice anymore! I have found conversations gets results. I have found willingness to compromise and agreeing to smaller steps will open doors to continued discussions. This is how you help both parties feel good about change and get to mutual agreement. I also have found that demanding never works. It slams the door shut and nothing constructive ever gets accomplished!

I agree with you and was also not pleased to get bombarded by the POA emails pushing their candidates.

[Happydaz]

I don’t think anyone should be allowed to campaign for whom they think should be elected. Freedom of choice is over rated. Newspapers like the New York Times or the Villages Daily Sun should not recommend or support particular candidates. That goes for the POA too. Too much campaigning as far as I see it. I agree with the OP that there is far too much polarization in The Villages.

[tophcfa]

I’m not anti-developer. That being said, no for profit entity should have anything close to absolute power and the developers almost iron clad grip on Sumter County is like nothing else I have ever seen before anywhere in the USA. A system of checks and balances is absolutely a good thing.

[Jack58033]

Some years ago didn't the POA win a $40 million settlement for the historical side. The developer showed grace by saying we were lucky to have such an organization.

[RUCdaze]

I have to laugh, Charlie and others say they are done with the POA. They don't tell you that they are life-long Democrats and were never in favor of the POA in the first place. Me? I'm in favor of anyone who will help me fight corruption.

[Bogie Shooter]

I have to laugh, Charlie and others say they are done with the POA. They don't tell you that they are life-long Democrats and were never in favor of the POA in the first place. Me? I'm in favor of anyone who will help me fight corruption.

How do you know life long dems?

[charlie1]

I have to laugh, Charlie and others say they are done with the POA. They don't tell you that they are life-long Democrats and were never in favor of the POA in the first place. Me? I'm in favor of anyone who will help me fight corruption.

Sorry but I am a Republican! I have served on POA's in different developments and NEVER have I seen a POA take a role in local politics nor have I seen a POA take such an adversarial role against the developer. I have no problem with what they have done in the past but I really feel our POA has lost its direction. What have they done recently? Looking at the comments on this forum, do we really expect the developer to warrant a 30+ year old bridge? Heck, we tear down sports stadiums and rebuild them when they get that old! And who funds those - taxes? - but that is OK because it's sports, right? Never heard of anyone going back to the developers and telling them they have to build a new stadium because the old one wasn't good enough. Do we really expect the developer to warrant sink holes after many years when they are naturally occurring in Florida? If the warranty period is not long enough, the emphasis should be on the district to negotiate when new districts are added. Unfortunately, the district that have already been handed (districts 1-12) over to the district management have legal agreements already signed.

[NAB20]

I’m not anti-developer. That being said, no for profit entity should have anything close to absolute power and the developers almost iron clad grip on Sumter County is like nothing else I have ever seen before anywhere in the USA. A system of checks and balances is absolutely a good thing.
Agree with you 100%. When one side is in it for profit, it is absolutely necessary to keep a watchful eye. The developer has done a wonderful job building this community, and we very much enjoy living here. But seeing that part of their business model was to tax us all for the infrastrure of an area in which we do not live, then affect State law to persue it was a wake up call. Glad to have a voice helping protect my pocketbook.

[CoachKandSportsguy]

The POA has a binary choice:

A. Represent an issue and agree with the developer
B. Represent an issue and disagree with the developer.

From a political point of view, Issue A may happen 80-90% of the time, and in that case there is nothing to change/do/no reason for being. Issue B may happen 10-20% of the time, and that is the goal to change the developer to see the point of the homeowners.

Now, for the POA to make an impact, 100% of their time must be spent on B issues, so the illusion of effort is that 100% is spent on 20% of the potential issues, and so the question for the home owner is:

Do you agree with the issues being represented? If yes, then continue to support. If no, then don't continue to support. But to disagree with the POA because they are 100% against the developer means you can't distinguish between all issues and POA issues.

There is no reality, there is only perception, and that perception is usually 100% yours, but yours is not 100% everybody else's.

Professional golfers present an illusion of effort as well. You watch pros on TV and only see the best shots, but that narrows as you get closer to the end where not everyone is playing. They make golf look incredibly easy. What you don't see or haven't seen is the hours, days and years of dedicated effort to reach the point of making golf look easy.

you are only judging on what you are seeing, without referencing what you haven't seen or can't see

[rogerk]

Really, they why is the PWAC going to be forced to recommend replacing the windmill/water tower according to the Sumter Landing CDD's lawyer. The contract to decide how the money is spent is heavily weighted in the developers favor and the Sumter Landing Commercial District has the last say in it.
I do not believe this is an accurate statement or presentation of the facts. Learn how OUR local government works! Then maybe we’d have less bickering, second guessing, and backstabbing

[Nell57]

They lost me when I saw that they had "Indigenous People's Day" on their calendar. Trivial? Yup, but that hit me the wrong way.

Indigenous Peoples Day is now on calendars all across the United States. It recognizes the contribution of Native Alaskan Nations and the original Indian Tribes in North America.
Sometimes when we live in The Bubble we don’t see what is happening in all 50 states.

[Bilyclub]

Sorry but I am a Republican! I have served on POA's in different developments and NEVER have I seen a POA take a role in local politics nor have I seen a POA take such an adversarial role against the developer. I have no problem with what they have done in the past but I really feel our POA has lost its direction. What have they done recently? Looking at the comments on this forum, do we really expect the developer to warrant a 30+ year old bridge? Heck, we tear down sports stadiums and rebuild them when they get that old! And who funds those - taxes? - but that is OK because it's sports, right? Never heard of anyone going back to the developers and telling them they have to build a new stadium because the old one wasn't good enough. Do we really expect the developer to warrant sink holes after many years when they are naturally occurring in Florida? If the warranty period is not long enough, the emphasis should be on the district to negotiate when new districts are added. Unfortunately, the district that have already been handed (districts 1-12) over to the district management have legal agreements already signed.

Yes, everything boils down to the contract which is heavily slanted in the developer's favor. District 7 tried to get that contract changed but apparently is losing that battle.

[Bill14564]

Yes, everything boils down to the contract which is heavily slanted in the developer's favor. District 7 tried to get that contract changed but apparently is losing that battle.

As I understand it:

District 7 feels the contract is not slanted enough towards the residents and unilaterally blocked a follow-on contract that would have created a second PWAC to handle the expenses in the southern area. As a result of District 7 actions it appears there will be no second PWAC.

It is believed that this has resulted in a significant additional cost to the northern districts. District 7 disputes that but has not provided any information to back their claim.

[tophcfa]

Indigenous Peoples Day is now on calendars all across the United States. It recognizes the contribution of Native Alaskan Nations and the original Indian Tribes in North America.
Sometimes when we live in The Bubble we don’t see what is happening in all 50 states.

Or that’s why we choose to be in the bubble, because we don’t like what’s happening and are holding out hope it won’t penetrate the bubble during our lifetime.

[dwoodley1975]

They need some new faces.

[Bilyclub]

I do not believe this is an accurate statement or presentation of the facts. Learn how OUR local government works! Then maybe we’d have less bickering, second guessing, and backstabbing

Did not the Sumter County Board raise impact fees only to see a state representative who was on the developer's payroll get a law passed to severely limit said increase ?

[charlie1]

Did not the Sumter County Board raise impact fees only to see a state representative who was on the developer's payroll get a law passed to severely limit said increase ?

The law places a cap on yearly increases in impact fees and requires impact fees increases over the cap be backed by a study justifying the increase before they can be implemented. The fees passed in Sumter County did not have a study justifying the substantial need and to my knowledge there was never even an attempt by the previous commissioners to do a study or even raise them to the allowable cap. I know I personally am glad that there is an annual cap on my property appraisal (which is used to calculate my property tax!) I am also glad there is a cap on the annual increase of the amenity fee. Why does it seem out of line that the state does the same for impact fees! If they were soooooo needed, why didn't the previous commissioners (prior to their
suspension) immediately pass an increase based on the annual cap? To me, this was just a way to work up people with half truths.

[Bill14564]

The law places a cap on yearly increases in impact fees and requires impact fees increases over the cap be backed by a study justifying the increase before they can be implemented. The fees passed in Sumter County did not have a study justifying the substantial need and to my knowledge there was never even an attempt by the previous commissioners to do a study or even raise them to the allowable cap. I know I personally am glad that there is an annual cap on my property appraisal (which is used to calculate my property tax!) I am also glad there is a cap on the annual increase of the amenity fee. Why does it seem out of line that the state does the same for impact fees! If they were soooooo needed, why didn't the previous commissioners (prior to their
suspension) immediately pass an increase based on the annual cap? To me, this was just a way to work up people with half truths.

The rates that were passed were tied to an existing study.

Your property tax rate is NOT capped which is why the commissioners prior to the suspended commissioners were able to raise the rate by 25%, an amount you and I are still paying.

[charlie1]

The rates that were passed were tied to an existing study.

Your property tax rate is NOT capped which is why the commissioners prior to the suspended commissioners were able to raise the rate by 30%, an amount you and I are still paying.

You are right, the millage rate is not capped but the assess value of property for Florida residents with homestead exemption is capped at, I believe, 3% per year. The assess value is used to calculate your property taxes. This last year, my market value went up almost $150,000 thousand but my assessment only raise by 3%. Had this cap not been in place, My taxes would have gone up substantially this year but, instead, the total amount due went down!

As far as the study, there was NO study done that justified the increase that was passed. That's why it could not be implemented.

[Bill14564]

You are right, the millage rate is not capped but the assess value of property for Florida residents with homestead exemption is capped at, I believe, 3% per year. The assess value is used to calculate your property taxes. This last year, my market value went up almost $150,000 thousand but my assessment only raise by 3%. Had this cap not been in place, My taxes would have gone up substantially this year but, instead, the total amount due went down!

As far as the study, there was NO study done that justified the increase that was passed. That's why it could not be implemented.

Thank you for the Save Our Homes discussion. You can find a little more information on the thread about property taxes going up. In particular, if the homestead exemption does not apply then residential assessments are capped at the lesser of 10% or the CPI.

But as you point out, the rate is not capped.

You should find that the increase in impact fees proposed by the previous commissioners matches very closely the rates in this Sumter County Roadway Impact Fee Study (https://www.**************.com/wp-content/uploads/2019/11/Sumter-County-Roadway-Impact-fee-Full-Report.pdf).

The increase could not be implemented for a well-known reason that had nothing to do with it being tied to a study.

[New Englander]

Did not the Sumter County Board raise impact fees only to see a state representative who was on the developer's payroll get a law passed to severely limit said increase ?

I'm shocked!

[Speedie]

I have to laugh, Charlie and others say they are done with the POA. They don't tell you that they are life-long Democrats and were never in favor of the POA in the first place. Me? I'm in favor of anyone who will help me fight corruption.

Run Forrest Run

[ThirdOfFive]

Can’t help but wonder if this discussion isn’t just a microcosm of the win-at-any-cost mentality that currently infests our political system.

Most (some) people here will remember the phrase “the loyal opposition”. That phrase reflects the idea that even though we may have differing opinions, in the end we all play on the same team. The goal of politics was not to win at any cost, but to get the other side to the table to hammer out some compromise. Not necessarily a pretty sight, but it DID work, for well over 200 years. As Otto Von Bismarck once observed, “no one should ever watch laws or sausage being made”. But the end result, of done well, is pretty palatable. Not a feast, but at least you won’t get indigestion.

Today? Nope.

[Stu from NYC]

I’m not anti-developer. That being said, no for profit entity should have anything close to absolute power and the developers almost iron clad grip on Sumter County is like nothing else I have ever seen before anywhere in the USA. A system of checks and balances is absolutely a good thing.

Agreed. The developer has done a great job building this place but has way to much political power in Sumter cty

[tophcfa]

You are right, the millage rate is not capped but the assess value of property for Florida residents with homestead exemption is capped at, I believe, 3% per year. The assess value is used to calculate your property taxes. This last year, my market value went up almost $150,000 thousand but my assessment only raise by 3%. Had this cap not been in place, My taxes would have gone up substantially this year but, instead, the total amount due went down!.

Thanks for the information, I knew the homestead exemption helped by exempting up to $50K of property value from taxes, but I was unaware it also significantly capped increases in accessed values. Perhaps it should be renamed the “Screw Part Time Residents” exemption.

[OrangeBlossomBaby]

Thanks for the information, I knew the homestead exemption helped by exempting up to $50K of property value from taxes, but I was unaware it also significantly capped increases in accessed values. Perhaps it should be renamed the “Screw Part Time Residents” exemption.

You don't get a discount for /not/ doing something to promote full-time residency. Part-timers don't contribute full-time to the economy, and therefore they don't get the full-time break.

They get a part-time break, in that they can rent their property when they're not there, which will cover the mortgage, taxes, utilities, and hopefully provide a few bucks' profit for their efforts.

If you want the full-time tax break, then you have to be a full-time resident. And you only get that break on the home you actually live in. So if you own 4 homes in Florida you only get one break.

Just like you can't whine about NOT getting a senior discount, when you're not yet a senior. Or the happy-hour special price, if you show up during prime-time dinner hour.

Part timers aren't being shafted. They're paying the regular price. Homeowners who live in their home full time are just getting a discount. They still pay the regular price on additional homes in the state.

[tophcfa]

Part-timers don't contribute full-time to the economy, and therefore they don't get the full-time break.

Really? So the people we hire to mow our lawns, pull our weeds, put chemicals on our lawns, spray for pests, power wash our homes, tune up our irrigation systems, seal our driveways, take care of our swimming pools, service our air conditioning systems, trim our shrubs, repair our screens, etc…., which all has to be done whether we are there or not, aren’t part of the local full time economy. Many full timers can do those things themselves, so they don’t hire people who are part of the local economy. Furthermore, part timers pay for amenities, trash pick-up, base water and sewer rates, etc… for extended periods of time while not there using any of those services, effectively subsidizing the costs for full timers. In return for that they get to pay significantly more in property taxes and they get blamed for just about everything that annoys many full timers. Hmmmmmm!

[Bilyclub]

Homeowners/ Homestead exemptions pretty much work that way everywhere. You must decide where you get the biggest tax break and make it your residence.

[charlie1]

This really went off track and I am a lot to blame for it. I am sorry for that. All I wanted to get across is that I really do not feel the POA, or any POA for that matter, should endorse or subsidize a political candidate. It is OK in my mind to have candidate forums for the residents to learn about the candidates so they can make an informed choice but that should be the extent of a POAs involvement.

[Marathon Man]

I saw the anti-developer attitude right away when we moved in several years away. I will not be involved with an organization that has that direction of thinking. They claim to work for the residents, when they actually seem to simply work against the developer. "For" would be great, but it does not seem to be there.

[Love2Swim]

I saw the anti-developer attitude right away when we moved in several years away. I will not be involved with an organization that has that direction of thinking. They claim to work for the residents, when they actually seem to simply work against the developer. "For" would be great, but it does not seem to be there.

Many people would disagree with you. If you ever read the POA newsletter you would see that the POA explores both sides of troubling issues, then states why they have chosen to take a particular stance in favor of the residents. Its not "anti Developer" its "pro residents". Big difference.

[Stu from NYC]

Many people would disagree with you. If you ever read the POA newsletter you would see that the POA explores both sides of troubling issues, then states why they have chosen to take a particular stance in favor of the residents. Its not "anti Developer" its "pro residents". Big difference.

Agreed. Read a variety of posts on the issues of the villages and decide for yourself.

[Bilyclub]

I saw the anti-developer attitude right away when we moved in several years away. I will not be involved with an organization that has that direction of thinking. They claim to work for the residents, when they actually seem to simply work against the developer. "For" would be great, but it does not seem to be there.

It is here. The VHA does some good things, but has never gone against the developer even when it would have been good for the residents.

[ThirdOfFive]

I saw the anti-developer attitude right away when we moved in several years away. I will not be involved with an organization that that direction of thinking. They claim to work for the residents, when they actually seem to simply work against the developer. "For" would be great, but it does not seem to be there.

“For”?

“WITH” would be better.

[Stu from NYC]

It is here. The VHA does some good things, but has never gone against the developer even when it would have been good for the residents.

Very true

[ScottFenstermaker]

Now that the election is over, I have to say that I am done supporting or being a member of the POA with its current leadership. I am done with them endorsing candidates with only one platform – “Blame the developer”. I am done with them accusing people of being “paid off” by the developer. The POA has become a political organization that is taking an adversarial role with the developer. They are in a war with the developer! Really not sure what else they do at this point! I do not agree with this approach. I believe that the POA should be working in conjunction and together with ANY organization regarding improvements wanted by the majority of the residents. They are not my voice anymore! I have found conversations gets results. I have found willingness to compromise and agreeing to smaller steps will open doors to continued discussions. This is how you help both parties feel good about change and get to mutual agreement. I also have found that demanding never works. It slams the door shut and nothing constructive ever gets accomplished!
As pointed out in an earlier reply to your post, there have been a number of instances where the Developer has taken actions that prejudice the residents, and the POA has acted on behalf of the residents. The most glaring example, which is not mentioned in that post, are the facts that underlay the POA-backed, class-action suit against the Developer. The suit was settled with the Developer ponying up (as I recall) about $40 million dollars. If you really feel as strongly as you do about the POA, some simple arithmetic can give you your approximate share of the $40 million and you can refund it to the Developer.

[jebartle]

Agree with OP, this conundrum is not black or white, sometimes the answer is gray.

[charlie1]

As pointed out in an earlier reply to your post, there have been a number of instances where the Developer has taken actions that prejudice the residents, and the POA has acted on behalf of the residents. The most glaring example, which is not mentioned in that post, are the facts that underlay the POA-backed, class-action suit against the Developer. The suit was settled with the Developer ponying up (as I recall) about $40 million dollars. If you really feel as strongly as you do about the POA, some simple arithmetic can give you your approximate share of the $40 million and you can refund it to the Developer.

That's old history! I sure the POA has done some great things in the past. Things change, however. Leadership changes! Objectives change! Motivation changes! Staying OUT OF POLITICS or finding funds for politicians should never be a part of a POA!

[Marathon Man]

That's old history! I sure the POA has done some great things in the past. Things change, however. Leadership changes! Objectives change! Motivation changes! Staying OUT OF POLITICS or finding funds for politicians should never be a part of a POA!

Agree. POA supporters always point out the lawsuit. That was years ago. What have they done for us lately?

[tophcfa]

Agree. POA supporters always point out the lawsuit. That was years ago. What have they done for us lately?

Sometimes you have to ask yourself, what might of happened that possibly didn’t because of their presence?

[Stu from NYC]

Sometimes you have to ask yourself, what might of happened that possibly didn’t because of their presence?

Seems to me the POA may not be greatest organization to protect us and look out for our interests but do not know of any others doing this.

Developer family has done a great job building this place but sometimes their interest and ours do not coincide. Besides how is it a good idea they have such immense political power over us.

[Love2Swim]

Agree. POA supporters always point out the lawsuit. That was years ago. What have they done for us lately?


Just a few of things the POA has done recently, you can go to the POA website to see a full listing:

Sumter County Property Tax increase of 25% - the POA held meetings where residents voiced their objections. This increase came from Sumter County, not the Developer. The county commissioners refused to fully answer the questions and concerns of the residents about the size of the increase, so the POA launched Fair Government for Sumter County. This reminded residents that our government is more than just the CDD, but encompasses county officials.And it also gave residents a well deserved dialogue with the county.

Health care issues – the POA lead opposition to a proposed Sumter County Hospital tax which would have taxed Sumter County residents $200-$300 per home for use by our hospital and would also give 20% of the tax off the top to the Developer's foundation. It was defeated. The POA also assisted in bring to light care issues at the hospital which resulted in dedicating more staff and resources to the ER, and bring 3 Villagers onto the hospital Board, and replacing the hospital CEO and Emergency Room director.

The POA was a strong advocate for Villagers on the issues of defective Owens Corning roof shingles.

The Paradise Center used to be termite and rat infested, raccoons living in the ceiling, mold, etc. The VCCDD ignored the pleas of the residents to renovate. The POA campaigned strongly, and as a result, the VCCDD eventually decided to proceed with a renovation.

[Stu from NYC]

Just a few of things the POA has done recently, you can go to the POA website to see a full listing:

Sumter County Property Tax increase of 25% - the POA held meetings where residents voiced their objections. This increase came from Sumter County, not the Developer. The county commissioners refused to fully answer the questions and concerns of the residents about the size of the increase, so the POA launched Fair Government for Sumter County. This reminded residents that our government is more than just the CDD, but encompasses county officials.And it also gave residents a well deserved dialogue with the county.

Health care issues – the POA lead opposition to a proposed Sumter County Hospital tax which would have taxed Sumter County residents $200-$300 per home for use by our hospital and would also give 20% of the tax off the top to the Developer's foundation. It was defeated. The POA also assisted in bring to light care issues at the hospital which resulted in dedicating more staff and resources to the ER, and bring 3 Villagers onto the hospital Board, and replacing the hospital CEO and Emergency Room director.

The POA was a strong advocate for Villagers on the issues of defective Owens Corning roof shingles.

The Paradise Center used to be termite and rat infested, raccoons living in the ceiling, mold, etc. The VCCDD ignored the pleas of the residents to renovate. The POA campaigned strongly, and as a result, the VCCDD eventually decided to proceed with a renovation.

Thank you for sharing