Fla teacher salary, second lowest in country, $49,000

[jebartle]

New York highest teacher salary average $90,000+....

Earlier thread, I mentioned that our values are "out of whack", how can our state, not be ashamed, paying a profession that is so important to our future such a pathetic amount to our teachers.

Please, for those asking me to leave if I don't like it, I suggest we fix this problem by cutting our legislators salaries until it's fixed.

[Babubhat]

Terrible students, administrators and parents. You have to be a social worker and prison guard. No freedom to actually teach. Everything is teachers fault. relentless abuse with no repercussions. No amount of money is worth it. So glad to be out of the dysfunctional system.

Everyone should be a substitute teacher for a day. You will end the day with a massive headache.

[jebartle]

Terrible students, administrators and parents. You have to be a social worker and prison guard. No freedom to actually teach. Everything is teachers fault. relentless abuse with no repercussions. No amount of money is worth it. So glad to be out of the dysfunctional system.

Everyone should be a substitute teacher for a day. You will end the day with a massive headache.

What a shame babubhat, I'm sure you were another great teacher that has left the profession, and add mass shootings at schools, no wonder our children are drawing the short straw.

[Djean1981]

Terrible students, administrators and parents. You have to be a social worker and prison guard. No freedom to actually teach. Everything is teachers fault. relentless abuse with no repercussions. No amount of money is worth it. So glad to be out of the dysfunctional system.

Everyone should be a substitute teacher for a day. You will end the day with a massive headache.
I subbed for about a year and a half. You are correct. There are so many neglected kids that arrive at school not knowing how to use utensils, can't stay awake because they were up all night, wearing dirty clothes, and with zero self-governing skills, etc. It's an extraordinary challenge and very sad.

[JMintzer]

I guess it depends on where you teach...

My youngest daughter is a teacher and has not experienced any of those things...

[manaboutown]

My daughter-in-law just took a leave of absence from teaching first and second grades in a small town in Northern Idaho. She has a master's degree from UCI and is fluent in a foreign language. The pay was pretty low as she was just starting out but her biggest problems were the kids and their parents. She was teaching in the the "low school" (her term, not mine) that drew in part from the low income part of town. Even the first graders would curse at her and behaved awfully in many other ways. She received no parental backup as they came from alky-druggie parents. It was a nightmare for her.

This country has changed and it started many years ago. In the mid 1970s I was visiting in my home town. One of my classmate friends had an older brother who had been a math teacher at our junior high. We visited him. He and the shop teacher had started a construction business. They had each retired the day they could. I asked why. They told me the kids had changed. Well now the kids and the parents have changed...and how!

I still have business interests in Albuquerque, NM so closely follow the news there. Truancy in many of the schools exceeds 40%. A little over 60% graduate. That, to me, is a disaster!

[Decadeofdave]

This didn't happen over night. Take out prayer, pledge of allegiance, cut back on discipline, lower the standards, lower accountability, have battles over useless matters that used to be common sense. When the parents don't care about the kid, the kid will be out of control, therefore future societal problem.

[PurvisT]

New York highest teacher salary average $90,000+....

Earlier thread, I mentioned that our values are "out of whack", how can our state, not be ashamed, paying a profession that is so important to our future such a pathetic amount to our teachers.

Please, for those asking me to leave if I don't like it, I suggest we fix this problem by cutting our legislators salaries until it's fixed.

Where did you get this information, 49k is not a surprising figure for Florida in my opinion, but 2nd in USA?

[manaboutown]

"How Much Teachers Make in Florida

Preschool teacher: $29,890
Kindergarten teacher: $59,040
Elementary school teacher: $61,510
Middle school teacher: $60,280
High school teacher: $64,120"

"How Much Teachers Make in New York

Preschool teacher: $43,880
Kindergarten teacher: $84,530
Elementary school teacher: $87,700
Middle school teacher: $94,690
High school teacher: $92,660"

From: How Much Teachers Make in Every State 2021 | GOBankingRates (https://www.gobankingrates.com/money/jobs/average-teacher-salary-by-state/)

[Rainger99]

How did you compute the $49,000 salary?

[Rainger99]

New York highest teacher salary average $90,000+....

Earlier thread, I mentioned that our values are "out of whack", how can our state, not be ashamed, paying a profession that is so important to our future such a pathetic amount to our teachers.

Please, for those asking me to leave if I don't like it, I suggest we fix this problem by cutting our legislators salaries until it's fixed.

You can’t compare salaries unless you also compare the cost of living in New York and Florida.

A salary of $25,000 in Orlando, Florida should increase to $46,552 in New York, New York. That is 1.86 higher.

If you multiply $49,000 times 1.86 you get $91,140.

Adjusted for cost of living, it appears that Florida pays more than New York.

[Caymus]

So, the salaries are higher in the states that Villagers left?

[Vikingjunior]

No state tax in Florida either so comparing NYC to Florida is disingenuous.
Housing is much cheaper also in Florida. So Apple to Oranges. No pun.

[Normal]

The cost of living matters because the taxpayers and tax payments matter. If the average salary in a farming community is 38,000, then the teacher’s salary may fall into that paradigm. In addition, some areas have different seniority (steps) that make pay different. Areas pay differently by computing education levels (bachelors, masters, doctoral). You can’t just right a blank check generalization of New York City teachers get paid this, while rural Floridian teachers get paid that.

Teaching is an art. It requires: flexibility, nurturing, multitasking management skills and knowledge. With this in mind you have to add the layer of preparation of daily events and the thick skin of tolerance.

[dewilson58]

This didn't happen over night. Take out prayer, pledge of allegiance, cut back on discipline, lower the standards, lower accountability, have battles over useless matters that used to be common sense. When the parents don't care about the kid, the kid will be out of control, therefore future societal problem.

:bigbow:

[richardc1947]

I’m not sure where you are getting your statistics from, but Florida entry level teachers salaries are more than 35 other states. See link below

Teacher Salary Benchmarks | NEA (https://www.nea.org/resource-library/teacher-salary-benchmarks)

[MandoMan]

"How Much Teachers Make in Florida

Preschool teacher: $29,890
Kindergarten teacher: $59,040
Elementary school teacher: $61,510
Middle school teacher: $60,280
High school teacher: $64,120"

"How Much Teachers Make in New York

Preschool teacher: $43,880
Kindergarten teacher: $84,530
Elementary school teacher: $87,700
Middle school teacher: $94,690
High school teacher: $92,660"

From: How Much Teachers Make in Every State 2021 | GOBankingRates (https://www.gobankingrates.com/money/jobs/average-teacher-salary-by-state/)

From your article, here are the nation-wide figures, which are much more in line with Florida’s, though Florida’s are still very low. “The average pay for a preschool teacher in the United States is $36,460. For a kindergarten teacher, the salary is higher at $64,490 a year, with a high school teacher earning an average of $69,530. Pay for elementary and middle school teachers falls somewhere between those two at $67,080 and $66,880, respectively.”

I’d like to make a couple points. First, a large proportion of the New York teachers work in the New York City area, where the cost of living is much higher than in Florida. The average cost to rent a one bedroom apartment there is about $3,500 a month. That’s $42,000 a year. It’s not easy to find even an apartment to buy for under $1 million, and then taxes on that house are very high.

Second, I don’t know about New York and Florida, but in Pennsylvania, where I spent half my life, teacher salaries are set by the school board in each school district and based on income from school taxes. Districts with lots of new, expensive homes have a lot more money to give to the teachers. In Pennsylvania, one district might pay top teachers $70,000 a year while the district next door might have a top pay of $45,000 a year. New York has a lot areas where there are expensive homes and flush school districts.

Third, average incomes can be deceptive. I’d like to know starting salaries and top salaries as well. Some states have higher starting salaries and lower top salaries, and that is very helpful for new teachers. In Pennsylvania and New York, in addition to whatever raises teachers get due to inflation, salaries start low, but there is a fixed percentage rise as well. Eventually, with enough years of service, the salary is pretty good in many districts. Teachers who have taken post-certification classes or have earned graduate degrees get more. In any state, if there are relatively few teachers near the top of the pay scale because of retirements and lots of teachers starting their career, the numbers will shift. Some states provide incentives for teachers to retire early because beginning teachers are so much cheaper.

(In state universities, full professors earn 20% more at their top salary than do associate professors at their top salary with the same number of years at that school, but very few teachers are able to jump through all the hoops and become full professors. Where I taught, only about 10% eventually were promoted to full professor. The top salary for associate professors with a Ph.D. and 30 years of experience is about the same as the salary of high school teachers with only a bachelor’s degree and the same experience. The top salary of associate professors is 20% higher than the top salary of assistant professors, who also have Ph.D.s. The top salary of assistant professors is in turn 20% higher than the top salary of instructors, who don’t have Ph.D.s. Any of these ranks hit their top salary in about ten years, but unless they are promoted—which is difficult—they are stuck, unlike grade school and high school teachers. Thus, an assistant professor with 20 years’ experience may make much less than a high school teacher with the same years of service.)

As for problems in schools, I say BLAME PARENTS, NOT TEACHERS. Yes, in every class of education graduates, some will be top students and some will barely make it through. Some will have the hearts of teachers and some will not. But every one of those teachers will do a better job if given respectful students who want to learn. It’s up to parents to provide those students. If they don’t, how can they expect their students to succeed? The sad fact is, Garbage In, Garbage Out. The exceptions happen often, but they are almost like miracles. Teachers keep trying, generally, but the life of a teacher can be disheartening.

[bluecenturian]

Cops are getting paid less than that and I bet you need them more.

[Romad]

According to the school board candidates, the starting salary in Sumter is $51,000.

[Lindsyburnsy]

New York highest teacher salary average $90,000+....

Earlier thread, I mentioned that our values are "out of whack", how can our state, not be ashamed, paying a profession that is so important to our future such a pathetic amount to our teachers.

Please, for those asking me to leave if I don't like it, I suggest we fix this problem by cutting our legislators salaries until it's fixed.
The starting salary is even lower. Teachers are also having to purchase supplies throughout the year with their own money. Now they are being told what they can teach, say and read. My friend a teacher, has to purchase her own desk chair and portable AC unit. Imagine going to work and having to endure shooter drills and being responsible for a room full of kids. Why the heck would anybody want to be a teacher?

[TheWarriors]

It would be great if the NEA was as concerned about Teacher performance and student outcomes as they are about extreme political viewpoints and salaries. Most in the teaching profession would be completely surprised. I would gladly pay additional taxes for a school system that taught the 3 r’s instead of CRT, LGBTQxyz, and other lifestyle choices.

Would also be refreshing to hear the NEA actually admit 2 parent families matter, drug addicts need to be dealt with in much different ways and parents that can’t raise one child should be spayed or neutered like we do to animals that don’t have the ability to make conscientious decisions.

Seems things went to hell when some said any part of having God mentioned, or expecting higher morals was wrong. Maybe we should start expecting more from all members of our society and the majority of problems would disappear and salaries would increase.

[midiwiz]

New York highest teacher salary average $90,000+....

Earlier thread, I mentioned that our values are "out of whack", how can our state, not be ashamed, paying a profession that is so important to our future such a pathetic amount to our teachers.

Please, for those asking me to leave if I don't like it, I suggest we fix this problem by cutting our legislators salaries until it's fixed.

I'm not sure you get it. You are in the "south" every state has different economics. You pick on the teacher salaries. it's everything so get off your soapbox. and yes if you don't like it.... you know that one.

Here's the deal I don't care what you do the standard salary in a lot of these southern states is lower than the northern states especially if you are going to use NY, Chicago, etc. which by far isn't a fair comparison at all . In addition, this is a tourist state which also changes the economics.

People have the freedom to do whatever job they want to do, and get paid accordingly to the economics of the job within the area it is in. Personally I can tell you that if I left my job for a local one I would take a 45% hit in pay. and that would be going into an executive job.

It's real easy to peel one off the top and whine about it, but your approach takes nothing into account that should be.

[Rainger99]

Cops are getting paid less than that and I bet you need them more.

You are right! According to this, the average State Trooper salary in Florida is $41,007.

Just a moment... (https://www.ziprecruiter.com/Salaries/What-Is-the-Average-State-Trooper-Salary-by-State)

However, the average police salary in Florida is $60,720.

Here’s How Much Money Police Officers Earn In Every State (https://www.forbes.com/sites/andrewdepietro/2020/04/23/police-officer-salary-state/?sh=49c17f442010)

Please note that teachers get summers off and lots of vacation during the year. The average teacher works 185 days a year while the average full time non-teacher works 245 days a year.

Florida averages 180 instructional days per year. There are variances based on school district but they’re generally small. Teachers work an extra of five days beyond the instructional calendar. The extra days are generally teacher workdays, time for continuing education, etc. So, how does that compare? The average fulltime employed person works 245 days, or 60 more than the average teacher, annually. It doesn’t quite work out to nine months, or 25% less work than the average non-teacher, but it’s close at 23% less time spent working. This does amount to an extra twelve weeks of work for the average Floridian compared to the average teacher further illustrating the disconnect.

Q&A of the Day – How many days per year do Florida’s teachers work? | 1290 WJNO (https://wjno.iheart.com/content/2020-01-13-qa-of-the-day-how-many-days-per-year-do-floridas-teachers-work/#:~:text=Florida%20averages%20180%20instructional% 20days,time%20for%20continuing%20education%2C%20et c).

[SusanStCatherine]

Much of Sumter County is located within The Villages, isn't it? We are taxed for schools. Check your tax bill. Compare to Marion and Lake counties. Tell me what you find.
Local revenue for school support is derived almost entirely from property taxes levied by Florida's 67 counties, each of which constitutes a school district. Each school board must levy the millage set for its required local effort from property taxes.

[Village valley girl]

I worked for a number of years both in NYC schools as well as the suburbs. Your statement needs correction. The Salary you quote for teachers in NYS varies Greatly throughout the state. NYC with some of the toughest districts pays some of the lowest salaries…$63k average, a far cry from your quote.…The other extreme are the Very Wealthy Suburbs of Bronxville, Bedford, Armonk who signed Rich contracts pushing up that average. Does that mean that charging $25,000 in school property taxes to pay High Teacher Salaries is the model we should advocate? Teachers deserve to be properly compensated, but we also need to look at results achieved, and NYS according to US News & World Report is paying some of the Highest and doesn’t come close to achieving the results…..;2131228]New York highest teacher salary average $90,000+....

Earlier thread, I mentioned that our values are "out of whack", how can our state, not be ashamed, paying a profession that is so important to our future such a pathetic amount to our teachers.

Please, for those asking me to leave if I don't like it, I suggest we fix this problem by cutting our legislators salaries until it's fixed.[/QUOTE]

[lpkruege1]

New York highest teacher salary average $90,000+....

Earlier thread, I mentioned that our values are "out of whack", how can our state, not be ashamed, paying a profession that is so important to our future such a pathetic amount to our teachers.

Please, for those asking me to leave if I don't like it, I suggest we fix this problem by cutting our legislators salaries until it's fixed.

Yes. We, can spend money on 87,000 new IRS agents, and nothing on school safety or actually improving education like school choice. Truly disgusting.

[reggiethurlow]

You are leaving out the fact that teachers only work 180 days, or could be 210 days maximum.

[jrandall]

"How Much Teachers Make in Florida

Preschool teacher: $29,890
Kindergarten teacher: $59,040
Elementary school teacher: $61,510
Middle school teacher: $60,280
High school teacher: $64,120"

"How Much Teachers Make in New York

Preschool teacher: $43,880
Kindergarten teacher: $84,530
Elementary school teacher: $87,700
Middle school teacher: $94,690
High school teacher: $92,660"

From: How Much Teachers Make in Every State 2021 | GOBankingRates (https://www.gobankingrates.com/money/jobs/average-teacher-salary-by-state/)

The cost of living in New York us higher than Florida, although the Miami area is inching closer to NY. The property taxes are less and there is no State income tax. I think one really needs to compare apples to apples in this regard.

[Romad]

Instead of “averages,” better to use the actual schedule:

https://assets.sumter.k12.fl.us/humanresources/SCEA-Salary-Schedule.pdf

[G.R.I.T.S.]

New York highest teacher salary average $90,000+....

Earlier thread, I mentioned that our values are "out of whack", how can our state, not be ashamed, paying a profession that is so important to our future such a pathetic amount to our teachers.

Please, for those asking me to leave if I don't like it, I suggest we fix this problem by cutting our legislators salaries until it's fixed.

Have you considered how much lower the cost of living is "down South?" Constantly raising teacher salaries leads to higher taxes which, wow, lead to increased teacher salaries. Comparing salaries between such extremes is apples to oranges. A more compelling argument for higher FL teacher salaries would be to compare them to comparable states (Texas, Tennessee, etc.) that have no income tax and lower taxes overall. They may still be lower, but a more accurate comparison could be made.

[bdescalzi]

Maybe the costs per student plus graduation percentages should be considered in your comparison.

[Ptmckiou]

Would also be refreshing to hear the NEA actually admit 2 parent families matter, drug addicts need to be dealt with in much different ways and parents that can’t raise one child should be spayed or neutered like we do to animals that don’t have the ability to make conscientious decisions..

While some of your ideas are good, don’t get carried away. The above statement reflects what communist countries do to their people. Please don’t go there taking freedom away from citizens and giving the government more control.

[TraceJustice]

It's pathetic considering how high property taxes are here! To me that means all the money is going to high paying administrator jobs and other wasted projects instead of in the trenches.

[JMintzer]

You are right! According to this, the average State Trooper salary in Florida is $41,007.

Just a moment... (https://www.ziprecruiter.com/Salaries/What-Is-the-Average-State-Trooper-Salary-by-State)

However, the average police salary in Florida is $60,720.

Here’s How Much Money Police Officers Earn In Every State (https://www.forbes.com/sites/andrewdepietro/2020/04/23/police-officer-salary-state/?sh=49c17f442010)

Please note that teachers get summers off and lots of vacation during the year. The average teacher works 185 days a year while the average full time non-teacher works 245 days a year.

Florida averages 180 instructional days per year. There are variances based on school district but they’re generally small. Teachers work an extra of five days beyond the instructional calendar. The extra days are generally teacher workdays, time for continuing education, etc. So, how does that compare? The average fulltime employed person works 245 days, or 60 more than the average teacher, annually. It doesn’t quite work out to nine months, or 25% less work than the average non-teacher, but it’s close at 23% less time spent working. This does amount to an extra twelve weeks of work for the average Floridian compared to the average teacher further illustrating the disconnect.

Q&A of the Day – How many days per year do Florida’s teachers work? | 1290 WJNO (https://wjno.iheart.com/content/2020-01-13-qa-of-the-day-how-many-days-per-year-do-floridas-teachers-work/#:~:text=Florida%20averages%20180%20instructional% 20days,time%20for%20continuing%20education%2C%20et c).

Don't forget, a lot of the work teachers do is on their time away from school. Lesson plan prep, grading of papers/exams, etc...

So that 185 days is misleading...

[TheWarriors]

Don't forget, a lot of the work teachers do is on their time away from school. Lesson plan prep, grading of papers/exams, etc...

So that 185 days is misleading...

Yes, but how much do lesson plans change from year to year? Unless you are rewriting history and racist math.

[Pachine58]

But in Fla you don’t have state taxes taken out. Cost of living is so much lower then NY. Plus teachers only work 9 months out of a year. Then teachers retirement is so much better then Social security.

If teachers were allowed to just teach and take all these forced political agendas out our children would be better off. When we went to school our teachers made their own plans and not feed daily government plans to teach ideology. Our education system is horrible. We need to get rid of Dept of education and take the focus back to local school system. Get back to Basics.

[joelfmi]

That salary is for teacher in the system at least over 15 years in Suffolk County NY. Not NYC it's about the same as Florida.
What you wrote is completely correct.

[toeser]

New York highest teacher salary average $90,000+....

Earlier thread, I mentioned that our values are "out of whack", how can our state, not be ashamed, paying a profession that is so important to our future such a pathetic amount to our teachers.

Please, for those asking me to leave if I don't like it, I suggest we fix this problem by cutting our legislators salaries until it's fixed.

There may well be a real gap, but to just compare gross dollars is highly misleading. New York is one of the highest taxing states in the U.S., Florida one of the lowest. The cost of living in Florida is lower than most of New York. It's not just the dollars you get, it's what you get with those dollars.

[Heytubes]

Love Charter schools as well as home schooling.

[Tom M]

Good points made that teachers don't work 12 months out of the year. Yes newer teachers may have some extra time after hours preparing, but after a few years they become efficient with less after hours needed. Why not compare dollars per hour to other occupations rather than annual salaries?

[HRDave]

This didn't happen over night. Take out prayer, pledge of allegiance, cut back on discipline, lower the standards, lower accountability, have battles over useless matters that used to be common sense. When the parents don't care about the kid, the kid will be out of control, therefore future societal problem.

I could not agree with your statement more!!

[Rainger99]

These are the average teacher salaries in Pennsylvania - from 2017-18.

What is the average teacher salary in every Pa. public school district? - WHYY (https://whyy.org/articles/what-the-average-classroom-teacher-earns-in-every-pa-public-school-district/)

[RayAmb]

Don’t get me started on the education system in this Country ! Terrible production by teachers. Poor to no accountability. Tremendous hours and benefits. Now you don’t need any certificates to teach, in many places. It has become a social program with food, child care, sports, useless programs and at great expense to us all! Look at your yearly tax bill and the schools eat up 40% of all. Not to count Federal monies, State monies and a series of other funding sources. Teacher unions will tell you a huge false narrative. Our education system is a failure……… oh YES, WHY DO OUR STUDENTS RATE SO LOW WORLDWIDE?

[Sherry8bal]

New York highest teacher salary average $90,000+....

Earlier thread, I mentioned that our values are "out of whack", how can our state, not be ashamed, paying a profession that is so important to our future such a pathetic amount to our teachers.

Please, for those asking me to leave if I don't like it, I suggest we fix this problem by cutting our legislators salaries until it's fixed.

You can't even begin to compare FL to NY. The cost of living in NY is through the roof so $90,000 doesn't go far enough as to what $49,000 would in FL. If you really compare both, the FL salary would be better than New York's, PLUS you are only stating the beginning salary for teachers new coming into the system. Once they have a few years in, they are making good money for only working 9 months. That gives them either the summer off for a nice vacation or they can work other jobs if they need to just like the rest of Americans.

[LianneMigiano]

Housing is NOT MUCH cheaper in The Villages, FL! If you compare homes in NY (which generally have an attic, a basement and a good size yard) to a house you get here with the same square footage they are pretty much equivalent.

[miharris]

Most studies I've seen show no discernable correlation between teacher salaries and outcomes (measured by normalized scores on standardized tests, graduation rates, etc) Also, your numbers do not account for CoL differences between states.

[LEBrownwood]

If you would like to help out area teachers (especially Fruitland Park and Wildwood) there is a great website called Donors Choose where teachers can request donations for classroom needs. One teacher in Fruitland Park Elementary School actually asked for "paper" because the school district would not supply it to her! Even if everyone reading this gave $25.00, it would be a great help to those teachers and their students.



New York highest teacher salary average $90,000+....

Earlier thread, I mentioned that our values are "out of whack", how can our state, not be ashamed, paying a profession that is so important to our future such a pathetic amount to our teachers.

Please, for those asking me to leave if I don't like it, I suggest we fix this problem by cutting our legislators salaries until it's fixed.

[rsimpson]

New York highest teacher salary average $90,000+....

Earlier thread, I mentioned that our values are "out of whack", how can our state, not be ashamed, paying a profession that is so important to our future such a pathetic amount to our teachers.

Please, for those asking me to leave if I don't like it, I suggest we fix this problem by cutting our legislators salaries until it's fixed.

Was there a Cost of Living Adjustment in your research on this number? Also an adjustment for working 9/12th of the year? (180 days +/- vs )

[allsport]

What a shame babubhat, I'm sure you were another great teacher that has left the profession, and add mass shootings at schools, no wonder our children are drawing the short straw.

And add to it, teachers who were soldiers and have no clue how to teach being hired to pretend to teach. Thank you for ignorant people running the schools.

[Whitley]

To get anything near a comparative figure you need to convert your figure to an hourly salary. You may be surprised converting that to a per hour rate. Do you have any standardized test scores comparing the different states, and seeing if the salary has any direct correlation to test scores?

[Whitley]

And add to it, teachers who were soldiers and have no clue how to teach being hired to pretend to teach. Thank you for ignorant people running the schools.

It is true that there are many less than stellar intellects running NYC schools. To call them all ignorant is unfair. It is the system that turns them off. Charter and private schools in NY obtain much better results.

[MSGirl]

New York highest teacher salary average $90,000+....

Earlier thread, I mentioned that our values are "out of whack", how can our state, not be ashamed, paying a profession that is so important to our future such a pathetic amount to our teachers.

Please, for those asking me to leave if I don't like it, I suggest we fix this problem by cutting our legislators salaries until it's fixed.

Cost of living in NY is much higher than FL. It’s all relative

[Haines]

Yes, yes, and then they thought of giving us guns .

[Blueblaze]

Most studies I've seen show no discernable correlation between teacher salaries and outcomes (measured by normalized scores on standardized tests, graduation rates, etc) Also, your numbers do not account for CoL differences between states.

Actually, the absolute worst school districts in the country tend to be the highest paid. Check out Chicago's results sometime. Meanwhile there's a district in Jacksonville that's among the highest rated in the country. My own kids went to Sapulpa,Ok schools, one of the poorest in the country. But you needed better than a 4.0 to make it into the top 10% of graduates. They got such a great education that they were both millionaires on their own efforts before they hit 30.

Maybe we'd get better results if our teachers just worked for tips.

[manaboutown]

New York highest teacher salary average $90,000+....

Earlier thread, I mentioned that our values are "out of whack", how can our state, not be ashamed, paying a profession that is so important to our future such a pathetic amount to our teachers.

Please, for those asking me to leave if I don't like it, I suggest we fix this problem by cutting our legislators salaries until it's fixed.

Why not compare salaries on Wall Street to those in Wildwood?

Bet the difference would be greater.

[ThirdOfFive]

Shouldn't we be evaluating the product rather than the price we pay for it?

According to one study I read (Brett Ziegler in US News and World Report) the state of Florida ranks a glittering THIRD among all the states, just edged out in the rankings by Massachusetts and New Jersey. The criteria used is as follows: "The states were ranked on performance in higher education as well as primary and secondary schooling and pre-K education. The measures included percentages of adults with associate degrees or higher, the rates of students completing public four-year and two-year college programs within 150% of the normal time, the average tuition and fees for in-state students at public institutions and the average debt load of graduates from public and private colleges. The states also were ranked on percentages of children enrolled in preschool and compared in national testing of eighth-graders in math and reading, in rates of graduation from high school and readiness for college." I realize of course that this is one of those areas where people can manipulate numbers to make them say anything they want them to say, but the criteria listed seem pretty solid.

Based on that assumed solidity of data--rather than bemoaning what Florida pays to educate its school children, shouldn't we instead be holding Florida up as a shining example to the rest of the country on just how to most wisely spend Joe Taxpayer's money? Florida does seem to get a far better bang for ol' Joe's buck than just about every other state.

[JMintzer]

Yes, yes, and then they thought of giving us guns .

No one suggested giving teachers guns...

[JMintzer]

Yes, but how much do lesson plans change from year to year? Unless you are rewriting history and racist math.

They most certainly change year to year, depending on the incoming students and their abilities...

[Haggar]

Yes. We, can spend money on 87,000 new IRS agents, and nothing on school safety or actually improving education like school choice. Truly disgusting.

Where are you getting that 87,000 new IRS agents are being added?

[Babubhat]

Everyone should be a substitute for a day. All the complaining about teachers would stop.

[Rainger99]

They most certainly change year to year, depending on the incoming students and their abilities...

Does the lesson plan for 2nd grade spelling, 4th grade arithmetic, and freshman biology change depending on the incoming students and their abilities?

If they do, how are they changed??

[Langwelld]

Teacher salaries in Fl must have improved recently. I retired from Lake County 7 years ago at the top of the pay scale with a masters degree. Salary $51k
"How Much Teachers Make in Florida

Preschool teacher: $29,890
Kindergarten teacher: $59,040
Elementary school teacher: $61,510
Middle school teacher: $60,280
High school teacher: $64,120"

"How Much Teachers Make in New York

Preschool teacher: $43,880
Kindergarten teacher: $84,530
Elementary school teacher: $87,700
Middle school teacher: $94,690
High school teacher: $92,660"

From: How Much Teachers Make in Every State 2021 | GOBankingRates (https://www.gobankingrates.com/money/jobs/average-teacher-salary-by-state/)

[Djean1981]

Does the lesson plan for 2nd grade spelling, 4th grade arithmetic, and freshman biology change depending on the incoming students and their abilities?

If they do, how are they changed??
I subbed for a couple years and the kid's reading books were by category/color. A student had to complete their color series before moving to the next series. So, basically, yes. There is a wide range of abilities within the same grade level.

[Djean1981]

Most studies I've seen show no discernable correlation between teacher salaries and outcomes (measured by normalized scores on standardized tests, graduation rates, etc) Also, your numbers do not account for CoL differences between states.
Some private schools do not pay well, but usually have very small class sizes.

[JMintzer]

Does the lesson plan for 2nd grade spelling, 4th grade arithmetic, and freshman biology change depending on the incoming students and their abilities?

If they do, how are they changed??

Yes, they do. As for the specifics, I'll have to check with my daughter as she's the one who told me this...

[RayAmb]

Schools,
Bottom third in the world at graduation.
Full of social programs
Many,,,many fundings sources. Check cost per student on a world scale.
In school crimes not seen in any other country
Union run teachers
This is just the beginning.

Please don’t compare anything to a group of failures to look good. The children will be winner’s when they succeed with the best. Then the union should be rewarded. Our country is way behind the world. Check for yourself.

IT IS WHAT IT IS !

[manaboutown]

In 1958-1959 I took a history class in HS. Our teacher was a a nice guy but not bright, far from it in fact. He just read our lessons from the book we had read the night before. Boring at best. He was a huge supporter of getting some teachers' union into town. And they were accepted. He proudly announced it, too. Mediocrity rules!

[Rainger99]

There is a wide range of abilities within the same grade level.

I have no doubt that there is a wide range of abilities within the same grade level. I expect that happens every year in every class. So I don’t know why the lesson plan would require significant changes every year.

[TheWarriors]

They most certainly change year to year, depending on the incoming students and their abilities...

They adjust but they don’t change. A teacher doesn’t rewrite geometry each year based in his or hers incoming students’ abilities.

[rsmurano]

Also, this salary is for working 9 months, not 12. Plus with all the other holidays and days off, they get another 1 month off, so $50k for 8 months of work. If you worked a full 12 months like all other jobs, the pay would be $75k.
I would never be a teacher. The forces from the teachers union on teaching our kids garbage, and kids not wanting to learn, it’s a losing proposition. Go out to YouTube and view where students are interviewed at colleges and they can’t answer questions like how many stars on the flag and how many states we have.

[Caymus]

Also, this salary is for working 9 months, not 12. Plus with all the other holidays and days off, they get another 1 month off, so $50k for 8 months of work. If you worked a full 12 months like all other jobs, the pay would be $75k.
I would never be a teacher. The forces from the teachers union on teaching our kids garbage, and kids not wanting to learn, it’s a losing proposition. Go out to YouTube and view where students are interviewed at colleges and they can’t answer questions like how many stars on the flag and how many states we have.

But they can name all of the Kardashians.

[oldtimes]

Also, this salary is for working 9 months, not 12. Plus with all the other holidays and days off, they get another 1 month off, so $50k for 8 months of work. If you worked a full 12 months like all other jobs, the pay would be $75k.
I would never be a teacher. The forces from the teachers union on teaching our kids garbage, and kids not wanting to learn, it’s a losing proposition. Go out to YouTube and view where students are interviewed at colleges and they can’t answer questions like how many stars on the flag and how many states we have.

And after tenure they are set for life.

[greenrzilla]

I do agree that teachers deserve to paid well. However starting pay for teachers in New York is $61, 070 while in Florida the average starting pay is 44,040. There are many factors to look at. Perhaps the biggest of these in cost of living.
Consumer Prices in Miami, FL are 21.96% lower than in New York, NY (without rent)
Consumer Prices Including Rent in Miami, FL are 27.42% lower than in New York, NY
Rent Prices in Miami, FL are 33.00% lower than in New York, NY
Restaurant Prices in Miami, FL are 17.75% lower than in New York, NY
Groceries Prices in Miami, FL are 23.10% lower than in New York, NY
Local Purchasing Power in Miami, FL is 10.88% lower than in New York, NY
Also this year the State has allocated 880 million dollars for teacher raises.
And Florida’s ongoing efforts to boost starting salaries for public school teachers are making a difference, as a new report ranks the state at 16th in the nation for starting teacher pay, up from 30th the year before.
What I am saying is, there is more to the story

[Beyond The Wall]

NY school taxes are one of the highest in the nation. Don’t NY Florida

[Vermilion Villager]

I would gladly pay additional taxes for a school system that taught the 3 r’s

and parents that can’t raise one child should be spayed or neutered like we do to animals



Pretty much all we needed to see........a post from 1965

[Haggar]

And after tenure they are set for life.

In Palm Beach County the students are in for 179 days. The teachers have to come in 5 days earlier than the student plus another 5 teacher work when the students are off - a total of 189 days.
They grade their student's test scores at home and well as set up a lesson plan on the weekend they need to turn in Monday. My daughter in law takes many addition tests to be certified in the areas of science and computers she teaches.

A regular employee can work a max of 260 days (52 weeks x 5 days). He can get up to 11 holidays, 15 days of vacation, 8 sick days which results in working 226 days.
Most don't have to take their work home!

So yes teachers work 16% less days. Did I mention my daughter in law has a Masters Degree in Education (very proud of her)? And student debt?

What would be the likelihood that the someone with a Master's Degree with 15 years of experience in their field would be making less than $60,000!

[JMintzer]

They adjust but they don’t change. A teacher doesn’t rewrite geometry each year based in his or hers incoming students’ abilities.

I never said they did. But what is planned for the day/week most certainly does change.

Every Sunday night, my daughter spends a few hours on her lesson plans for the week...

BTW, I love all of these non teachers spouting off on what teachers actually do...

And yes, I know I'm not a teacher, but my daughter is. And I know what she has to do...

[JMintzer]

Also, this salary is for working 9 months, not 12. Plus with all the other holidays and days off, they get another 1 month off, so $50k for 8 months of work. If you worked a full 12 months like all other jobs, the pay would be $75k.
I would never be a teacher. The forces from the teachers union on teaching our kids garbage, and kids not wanting to learn, it’s a losing proposition. Go out to YouTube and view where students are interviewed at colleges and they can’t answer questions like how many stars on the flag and how many states we have.

It's actually 10 months, but who's counting... They work past when kids get out and return before school starts...

And where, pray tell, will they be able to get another job that pays well for those extra two months?

And my daughter teaches in VA. No unions...

[mbene]

You can’t compare salaries unless you also compare the cost of living in New York and Florida.

A salary of $25,000 in Orlando, Florida should increase to $46,552 in New York, New York. That is 1.86 higher.

If you multiply $49,000 times 1.86 you get $91,140.

Adjusted for cost of living, it appears that Florida pays more than New York.

The fallacy in your calculations is it assumes Florida is 1.00 which it is not. I suggest you find what the multiplication factor is for Orlando or Miami then post your numbers.

[oldtimes]

A regular employee can work a max of 260 days (52 weeks x 5 days). He can get up to 11 holidays, 15 days of vacation, 8 sick days which results in working 226 days.
Most don't have to take their work home!


This is not true. Many regular employees routinely work much more than 40 hours a week. Many work weekends, holidays and nights. Emergency responders work way more than teachers and often for the same salaries. A Masters degree is a choice and sometimes just not a worthwhile one.

[Luggage]

The salary differential is really very simple, ask yourself why a studio apartment is $3,000 in New York City while in Leesburg you can get it for $800? 49,000 per year in a job where you get three months off in the summer have a great pension is pretty good for starting salaries especially compared to fast food or Walmart at 20,000 A Year Without pensions or 3 months off. I have many teachers in my family so don't get off on me being against teachers getting paid better. New Jersey has an example back in the seventies raised every teacher's salary by $20,000 and thus increased my real estate taxes by 50%. First you should consider where the money is going to come from and if paying somebody more makes them better at doing their job. I can guarantee you it does not

[ThirdOfFive]

In 1958-1959 I took a history class in HS. Our teacher was a a nice guy but not bright, far from it in fact. He just read our lessons from the book we had read the night before. Boring at best. He was a huge supporter of getting some teachers' union into town. And they were accepted. He proudly announced it, too. Mediocrity rules!
Absolutely.

Why do you think that homeschooled kids consistently do so much better than their public-schooled counterparts?

[Geodyssey]

Don't forget, a lot of the work teachers do is on their time away from school. Lesson plan prep, grading of papers/exams, etc...

So that 185 days is misleading...

Other jobs require "extra" work too. Especially small businesses.

Today, most teachers are "woke" and are slackers on the gov't tit.

It's no longer 1963.

[Babubhat]

Online learning the future. One teacher for a hundred students. Most students don’t want to be there anyway. Bright students will homeschool or go private. Problem solved

[spinner1001]

New York highest teacher salary average $90,000+....

Earlier thread, I mentioned that our values are "out of whack", how can our state, not be ashamed, paying a profession that is so important to our future such a pathetic amount to our teachers.

Please, for those asking me to leave if I don't like it, I suggest we fix this problem by cutting our legislators salaries until it's fixed.

Since the labor market has outcomes you don’t like, here is a better system to set wages. Let a government committee set wages. A new bill recently passed by the legislature in California sets the minimum wage for relatively low skilled fast food workers at $22 per hour. California Fast Food Wages Would Be Set by Government Under Bill Passed by State Legislature - WSJ (https://www.wsj.com/articles/california-fast-food-wages-would-be-set-by-government-under-bill-passed-by-state-senate-11661811509?st=4hkb2pdoyjm5d6f&reflink=desktopwebshare_permalink)

If you like that system for setting wages instead of a free labor market, why not have the committee set the minimum wage at $50 per hour or $100 or $1000. People need a living wage.

Of course, with a government committee setting wages, we would have committee members that are completely altruistic, can’t be corrupted by power, and smarter than any of us.

The government could have committees setting wages for teachers, law enforcement officers … you know, every kind of worker including elite athletes. Of course, this system has been tried before. It worked really well.

[Matzy]

Most kids learning math, science, writing and all other subjects by attending a kind of school. Kids coming from different educational backgrounds but at the end leaving the schools with a degree of any kind. We all expect that everybody has the same basic education. All of that are the basics to be able to get a job/work, etc and earn money, get a salary.
In my understanding it is under-estimated what teachers are doing (have to do) with young humans. Beside the subjects the youngsters learn to communicate and socialize to each other which is very important to everybody.
Teachers have to prepare the youngsters for the upcoming life as an adult. I still think the teachers are one of the most influential persons in their whole life.
I was a teacher, teaching IS/IB and AP college courses at high schools in Europe and USA. And I am still very thankful to my teachers which gave me the ability to become a teacher - and I have still contact to my former students, more than 50 years ago. As a teacher we never really paid too much attention what the salary could be. (BTW, the salary in Europe is almost twice as high compare to USA)
Thank you for all your comments.

[Rainger99]

The fallacy in your calculations is it assumes Florida is 1.00 which it is not. I suggest you find what the multiplication factor is for Orlando or Miami then post your numbers.

Check this out.

Cost of Living Calculator | New York (Manhattan), NY vs. Orlando, FL - NerdWallet (https://www.nerdwallet.com/cost-of-living-calculator/compare/new-york-manhattan-ny-vs-orlando-fl)

If you make $90,000 in New York, you only need $32,014 in Orlando to maintain your standard of living. The cost of living is 64% lower in Orlando, FL.

If you make $49,000 in Miami, you would need $108,713 to maintain your standard of living in New York.

[Libbyporter]

I just retired in January from Memphis, TN. I had not had a cost of living raise in years because I was maxed out. I got an extra personal day instead. I loved my school, coworkers, and administrators. My job was made tough because we were given new curriculum without materials, just a log on to a website. The students were allowed to hit, kick, cuss and scream at us and other students. As per the board nothing was allowed to happen to the students but to be talked to. The new teachers coming into the district made no money. I made ok because Ive taught so long. In the 30 years of teaching it has changed. There is no appreciation. I actually had a parent complain in November because i would not answer her calls on the weekends or at night. It was my job to talk to her whenever she called. She was set straight will quick. BTW I taught Kindergarten and am a national board certified teacher. I have applied for a Florida license just because I miss the kids. Doubt I will use it. We will continue to lose good teachers if things do not change.

[Rainger99]

Since the labor market has outcomes you don’t like, here is a better system to set wages. Let a government committee set wages. A new bill recently passed by the legislature in California sets the minimum wage for relatively low skilled fast food workers at $22 per hour. California Fast Food Wages Would Be Set by Government Under Bill Passed by State Legislature - WSJ (https://www.wsj.com/articles/california-fast-food-wages-would-be-set-by-government-under-bill-passed-by-state-senate-11661811509?st=4hkb2pdoyjm5d6f&reflink=desktopwebshare_permalink)

That is about $44,000 a year! If an employer is paying that much for help, a Big Mac with fries and drink would cost $25. Hope they give free refills at that price! In addition, more places would be automated making fewer jobs available. Those kiosks don't come in late, don't take sick leave, and they don't take vacation. And no need to pay social security and Medicare!

[ronwinger]

My calculations are... based on the original post of $49,000 a year and working 185 days at 8 hours a day, equals $33.00 an hour. for an 9 month stay.

[mlmarr]

New York highest teacher salary average $90,000+....

Earlier thread, I mentioned that our values are "out of whack", how can our state, not be ashamed, paying a profession that is so important to our future such a pathetic amount to our teachers.

Please, for those asking me to leave if I don't like it, I suggest we fix this problem by cutting our legislators salaries until it's fixed.

check out the payroll taxes .. Florida v NY .. you will find the issue.. I pay less taxes here and make the same $$$ I did in Ohio after all the payroll taxes

[oldtimes]

In my understanding it is under-estimated what teachers are doing (have to do) with young humans. Beside the subjects the youngsters learn to communicate and socialize to each other which is very important to everybody.
Teachers have to prepare the youngsters for the upcoming life as an adult. I still think the teachers are one of the most influential persons in their whole life.


Nobody says it is not an important job but so are Nurses, Firefighters, Police, EMTs and often they are not paid well either. Even people in private industries do jobs that are very important to everyone's livelyhood and work long hours for not enough pay. The only difference is they don't cry as much as teachers.

[Haggar]

Other jobs require "extra" work too. Especially small businesses.

Today, most teachers are "woke" and are slackers on the gov't tit.

It's no longer 1963.

Do you have any basis basis for your comments. Most teachers are hard workers and really care about their students. For you to make comments like that are an insult to our teachers..

Here's a word for you to learn "ultracrepidarian" - definition - "expressing opinions on matters outside their scope of one's knowledge or expertise"

Here's a another word "Woke" - definition "aware and actively attentive to important facts and issues" I sure hope our teachers are "woke". It's a shame more of our population isn't!

[Rainger99]

I suggest we fix this problem by cutting our legislators salaries until it's fixed.

I just checked how much NY and Florida legislators make.
NY pays $110,000 and Florida pays $29,697.

And you want to cut their pay???

[JMintzer]

Other jobs require "extra" work too. Especially small businesses.

Today, most teachers are "woke" and are slackers on the gov't tit.

It's no longer 1963.

That is a disgusting slur to thousands of caring, hardworking teachers.

Change "most" to "some" and I'd tend to agree...

Comparing employees to owners is a fools errand...

[OrangeBlossomBaby]

Terrible students, administrators and parents. You have to be a social worker and prison guard. No freedom to actually teach. Everything is teachers fault. relentless abuse with no repercussions. No amount of money is worth it. So glad to be out of the dysfunctional system.

Everyone should be a substitute teacher for a day. You will end the day with a massive headache.

I subbed for two months through an agency. Being a sub is not even close to the same as being a teacher. As a sub, you generally expect the kids to be on their WORST behavior, because they know you're not authorized to do anything about it. A substitute is generally considered a babysitter who - if they're lucky, get an actual lesson plan for the day or week, which the kids won't follow anyway.

[OrangeBlossomBaby]

Do you have any basis basis for your comments. Most teachers are hard workers and really care about their students. For you to make comments like that are an insult to our teachers..

Here's a word for you to learn "ultracrepidarian" - definition - "expressing opinions on matters outside their scope of one's knowledge or expertise"

Here's a another word "Woke" - definition "aware and actively attentive to important facts and issues" I sure hope our teachers are "woke". It's a shame more of our population isn't!

Amen.

[manaboutown]

Do you have any basis basis for your comments. Most teachers are hard workers and really care about their students. For you to make comments like that are an insult to our teachers..

Here's a word for you to learn "ultracrepidarian" - definition - "expressing opinions on matters outside their scope of one's knowledge or expertise"

Here's a another word "Woke" - definition "aware and actively attentive to important facts and issues" I sure hope our teachers are "woke". It's a shame more of our population isn't!

Like this hard working teacher?

"Baltimore schools CEO made over $1M in five years, but her students still can’t read or do basic math
by Christopher Tremoglie, Commentary Writer
April 18, 2022 05:35 PM

Last year, 41% of all Baltimore public high school students earned a GPA below 1.0. That's one of many systemic school failures in Charm City. Despite this, Santelises received a salary hike to $375,688. She is one of the highest-paid school leaders in the country.

As Santelises’s students repeatedly fail to meet even the most basic scholastic requirements, her salary keeps going up. What other profession rewards people so for failure?

Santelises has the highest salary ever for a Maryland superintendent. During her five years in charge, her salary went from $298,000 in 2016 to the most recent figure mentioned above. That’s a startling 26% increase in salary.

In that light, consider a 2021 report by Project Baltimore, which revealed that a high school student in Baltimore City passed only three classes in four years. This student ranked in the top half of the high school's class with a 0.13 GPA. How is this student prepared to be a valuable member of society? How is he or she ready to live in the real world? Such stories are all too familiar for Baltimore residents."

From: Baltimore schools CEO made over $1M in five years, but her students still can’t read or do basic math | Washington Examiner (https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/opinion/baltimore-schools-ceo-made-over-1-million-in-five-years-but-her-students-still-cant-read-or-do-basic-math)

[jebartle]

I just checked how much NY and Florida legislators make.
NY pays $110,000 and Florida pays $29,697.

And you want to cut their pay???

Fl. legislators obviously OVERPAID, for not protecting our teachers.

[xcaligirl]

New York highest teacher salary average $90,000+....

Earlier thread, I mentioned that our values are "out of whack", how can our state, not be ashamed, paying a profession that is so important to our future such a pathetic amount to our teachers.

Please, for those asking me to leave if I don't like it, I suggest we fix this problem by cutting our legislators salaries until it's fixed.
I personally don’t know how you can compare the salary to NY’s salaries! I do believe cost of living is much lower than NY. Also I heard the teachers are getting a raise.

[jebartle]

I personally don’t know how you can compare the salary to NY’s salaries! I do believe cost of living is much lower than NY. Also I heard the teachers are getting a raise.

Point was missed, our teachers salaries are pathetic, I value our kids education more.

[Rainger99]

Point was missed, our teachers salaries are pathetic, I value our kids education more.

Several posts have pointed out that when adjusted for the cost of living between New York and Florida, Florida pay is comparable or even higher than New York.

What do you suggest teachers should be paid in Florida?

[jebartle]

Several posts have pointed out that when adjusted for the cost of living between New York and Florida, Florida pay is comparable or even higher than New York.

What do you suggest teachers should be paid in Florida?

Guess the question, who can live in this day and time on $29,000???????

[oldtimes]

Guess the question, who can live in this day and time on $29,000???????

Your OP said 49000.00 which is a perfectly acceptable wage for 10 months of work

[Rainger99]

Guess the question, who can live in this day and time on $29,000???????

That wasn't the question. The question was "what do you suggest teachers should be paid in Florida."

And the original post said said that the teacher salary in Florida was $49,000. Where did $29,000 come from?

But the answer to your question is a lot of people.

And according to the following website, the median individual income in Wildwood is about $25,000 and median individual income in The Villages is about $34,000. Median household income in Wildwood is about $40,000 and median household income in The Villages is about $65,000.

So it looks like the teachers are doing ok.

Wildwood - Place Explorer - Data Commons (https://datacommons.org/place/geoId/1277675?utm_medium=explore&mprop=income&popt=Person&cpv=age%2CYears15Onwards&hl=en)

[jebartle]

Your OP said 49000.00 which is a perfectly acceptable wage for 10 months of work

Oops, typo

[Lovetocamp2]

You can’t compare salaries unless you also compare the cost of living in New York and Florida.

A salary of $25,000 in Orlando, Florida should increase to $46,552 in New York, New York. That is 1.86 higher.

If you multiply $49,000 times 1.86 you get $91,140.

Adjusted for cost of living, it appears that Florida pays more than New York.

And don’t forget all the taxes in New York that Florida doesn’t have.

[sloanst]

For those presenting this single piece of data (yearly salary) without also presenting the average cost of living in a specific location, then you're just trying to present an elaborate lie. The cost of living in New York City is easily twice of our region of Florida not to mention the taxes in New York and the dangers of living in the city.

[justjim]

Other jobs require "extra" work too. Especially small businesses.

Today, most teachers are "woke" and are slackers on the gov't tit.

It's no longer 1963.

You are completely wrong regarding teachers. It is important to know when to not argue with a person and simply let them be wrong.

[twoplanekid]

Everyone wants/needs an increase in salaries. This will cost NSCUDD $ 250,000 more per year.

Details found below from Districtgov.org

Coversheet (https://district.novusagenda.com/AgendaPublic/CoverSheet.aspx?ItemID=60684&MeetingID=2453)

[justjim]

For those presenting this single piece of data (yearly salary) without also presenting the average cost of living in a specific location, then you're just trying to present an elaborate lie. The cost of living in New York City is easily twice of our region of Florida not to mention the taxes in New York and the dangers of living in the city.

Florida cost of living is very different from county to county and City to City. Orange County is very different from Sumter, Lake or Marion etc. etc. $ 49,000 starting teacher salary isn’t all that bad (for 10 months annual salary) in some parts of Florida but in others a very poor starting salary. The teacher shortage is real in Florida and other places in US. Wages, working conditions and college costs are the main culprits keeping young people from becoming the next generation of teachers.

[Gulfcoast]

Both of my kids have graduated from a Florida HS, in fact, my youngest graduated from HS just last year. I really can't complain about the public school system. We live in a middle class/working class suburb and I never felt unsafe sending my kids to school. The teachers, for the most part, did a good job with some being better than others. From my perspective, Florida schools, or at least the one my kids attended, are not flashy, state of the art schools with modern everything/the very latest technology like they have up north. We had actually moved to Florida from a northern state and I will admit that it was a bit of a shock to see the difference between the school systems.

That said, while I'm sure that Florida schools have discipline/drug problems like just about all schools do, I never once heard concern about gangs which had been a growing problem in the northern school system that we left.

Florida also offers excellent dual enrollment opportunities for students which allows them to get college and/or vocational credit while still in HS. Florida offers Bright Future scholarships for students who maintain a certain GPA, make qualifying SAT/ACT scores and do a minimum set number of volunteer service hours.

As far as teacher salaries go, I really can't speak to that. I do know that we have teachers living in our neighborhood and that there are many longtime teachers in our school system. If I recall correctly, the governor also gave teachers bonuses fairly recently related to working through the pandemic.

Another thing I will note is that when our school very suddenly had to switch to distance learning during the early part of the pandemic, they did it fast and without a hitch. By comparison it took the northern, state of the art school district that we had left years before months to finally get their students switched over to distance learning. In fact, I think that the Florida brick and mortar schools may have reopened by the time the northern school district got it's act together enough to get the kids on distance learning and they didn't reopen brick and mortar schools for a year.

[kkingston57]

In 1958-1959 I took a history class in HS. Our teacher was a a nice guy but not bright, far from it in fact. He just read our lessons from the book we had read the night before. Boring at best. He was a huge supporter of getting some teachers' union into town. And they were accepted. He proudly announced it, too. Mediocrity rules!

I attended a private parochial school in the 70's and had the same caliber teachers, with no union and they were paid a lot less than the public school teachers. In fact one teacher told us that he could make more money doing construction work. We had one class where the teacher instructed to read National Geographic magazines.

My mom had a masters degree and as a substitutete teacher in the 70's was paid $28.00 a day. I bagged groceries in and around same time and could make more money.

Bottom line is that teachers are underpaid considering the schooling that is reguired and which is necessary to be an effective teacher.

[dewilson58]

Over 90% of the workers/employees/IC's in the USA are underpaid.

[oldtimes]

I attended a private parochial school in the 70's and had the same caliber teachers, with no union and they were paid a lot less than the public school teachers. In fact one teacher told us that he could make more money doing construction work. We had one class where the teacher instructed to read National Geographic magazines.

My mom had a masters degree and as a substitutete teacher in the 70's was paid $28.00 a day. I bagged groceries in and around same time and could make more money.

Bottom line is that teachers are underpaid considering the schooling that is reguired and which is necessary to be an effective teacher.

Totally disagree that a Masters degree is necessary to teach high school and elementary school classes and they only work 10 months a year.

[Babubhat]

Go substitute for a week before complaining. You will be crying at the end of the day

[dewilson58]

Totally disagree that a Masters degree is necessary to teach high school and elementary school classes and they only work 10 months a year.

I agree.

I will shorten your statement and it's true across all "professions": a Masters degree is necessary

[Djean1981]

Totally disagree that a Masters degree is necessary to teach high school and elementary school classes and they only work 10 months a year.
As long as they pass the competency exams for the subjects they teach, I agree.

[oldtimes]

I agree.

I will shorten your statement and it's true across all "professions": a Masters degree is necessary

Doesn’t sound like you agree.

[Djean1981]

Go substitute for a week before complaining. You will be crying at the end of the day
I substituted for a year around 2004 for $42/day. It was no picnic.

[oldtimes]

I substituted for a year around 2004 for $42/day. It was no picnic.

No job is a picnic, that’s why it’s called work. Do you think being an EMT or nurse or firefighter is a walk in the park? Many jobs are very stressful and work more hours than teachers.