Royal Caribbean to Welcome Unvaccinated Travelers, Ease Testing Requirements

[OmniTours]

Royal Caribbean to Welcome Unvaccinated Travelers, Ease Testing Requirements

Royal Caribbean International announced new coronavirus-related protocols to align the company with the broader travel industry standards.
Starting on September 5, the cruise line will welcome both unvaccinated and vaccinated travelers aboard its ships, as long as all passengers follow the updated rules and requirements.

CLICK HERE TO READ MORE (https://www.travelpulse.com/news/cruise/royal-caribbean-to-welcome-unvaccinated-travelers-ease-testing-requirements.html)

[Altavia]

So how do they treat passengers who get COVID on the cruise?

Many of the people I know are returning from cruises with COVID. And they spent most of the cruise confined to a 78 sq ft cabin with no view. Food dropped outside their doors.

I'm not assuming the increased risk cruising with the 30% not vaccinated - so they just lost me.

[Babubhat]

Rooms feel like a coffin. Never again

[threeonemiles@outlook.com]

Not vaccinated and do not plan otherwise. Big Pharma is the winner. We have been deceived.

[Altavia]

Not vaccinated and do not plan otherwise. Big Pharma is the winner. We have been deceived.

I know people like you who fake the test and have boarded knowing they have COVID.

At least if vaccinated there were people who cared about others.

So no more cruises for me.

[threeonemiles@outlook.com]

I know people like you who fake the test and have boarded knowing they have COVID.

At least if vaccinated there were people who cared about others.

So no more cruises for me.
graphene, anyone?

[ThirdOfFive]

Royal Caribbean to Welcome Unvaccinated Travelers, Ease Testing Requirements

Royal Caribbean International announced new coronavirus-related protocols to align the company with the broader travel industry standards.
Starting on September 5, the cruise line will welcome both unvaccinated and vaccinated travelers aboard its ships, as long as all passengers follow the updated rules and requirements.

CLICK HERE TO READ MORE (https://www.travelpulse.com/news/cruise/royal-caribbean-to-welcome-unvaccinated-travelers-ease-testing-requirements.html)
Inevitable. And more than about time.

Our cruising has been on hold; I had the bug in late 2020 and was (subsequently) vaccinated. My wife had COVID the same time I did but cannot take vaccinations as she has a very severe reaction when she does (last one, a flu vaccination about 5 years ago, landed her in the ER with pneumonia and a 103 degree temp.), so this decision on the part of RCCL, though significantly tardy in my opinion, frees her up to cruise.

[ThirdOfFive]

Not vaccinated and do not plan otherwise. Big Pharma is the winner. We have been deceived.
Love the signature line!

[Andyb]

What is Viking Cruise doing? What countries besides the socialist Canada under Trudeau are still shutting down those not fully boosted? Asking for a friend.

[Andyb]

Sorry your misinformed about the virus. There is zero evidence of an unvaxed person, spreading COV!D, anymore than a full vaxxed person, actually the opposite.

[Andyb]

Correct, many people have serious allergic reactions to vaxs, especially vaxs that are experimental and not FDA approved. Glad you can cruise now.

[Petersweeney]

Not vaccinated and do not plan otherwise. Big Pharma is the winner. We have been deceived.

Of course as usual …….I haven’t watch MSM in a year….

[Altavia]

Sorry your misinformed about the virus. There is zero evidence of an unvaxed person, spreading COV!D, anymore than a full vaxxed person, actually the opposite.

It is more likely an unvaxed person will have the virus, and probably board even if they know they have the virus.

Ask what will happen if you get the virus on board.

[Two Bills]

Never seen the problem as a big deal between vaccinated and non vaccinated.
It's the buggers with it you have to worry about!

[golfing eagles]

Correct, many people have serious allergic reactions to vaxs, especially vaxs that are experimental and not FDA approved. Glad you can cruise now.

Yes------MANY PEOPLE :1rotfl::1rotfl::1rotfl:

Mortality rate = 0.0027% (not necessarily caused by vaccine but in correct time course)
Anaphylaxis rate = 5/million
Sore arm = 3% (hardly serious)

All serious reactions : Vaccinated with mRNA against COVID = 1%
Vaccinated with placebo =1%

Source = CDC

Sorry to confuse any anti-vaxxers with the FACTS

[Chitown]

We just finished a cruise and have 2 more booked. I am Vaccinated and boosted. I have hade Covid twice. Once in early 2020 and 3 months ago. My symptoms were a runny nose. I do not worry about Covid whether on the cruise or anywhere else. I go to the Rec centers for crowded events and enjoy going to the squares to dance. If you are Immune compromised I can understand your caution. If not at what point do you say to yourself, I have been vaccinated and boosted and it’s time for life to go on and enjoy.

[Susan1717]

Current, people are vax’d getting covid from other vax’d people at a high rate. Natural immunity is high. I get tested every 3 to 4 months for my antibody level and it has not come down at all in 2 years! Since my vax’d friends still getting covid, I will not be getting vax’d and mess up my bodies ability to create its own immune system. I’ve never in my life had a flu shot and have not had the flu in over 20 years. There’s no one right decision for everyone. Since you can get covid just as easily from a vax’d person, it’s none of anyones business what others decide. There’s no excuse to lie if you’re currently sick…. Vax’d or not but if you’re currently non sick and healthy, no one puts you at a bigger risk based on their private vax choice.

[defrey12]

Your wife is likely allergic to albumin-based vaccines, as am I.
This vaccine is NOT albumin-based and is the only one I can take. I have a masters in biochemistry so I did what REAL scientists do…research. Easy to test for the albumin sensitivity

[toeser]

So how do they treat passengers who get COVID on the cruise?

Many of the people I know are returning from cruises with COVID. And they spent most of the cruise confined to a 78 sq ft cabin with no view. Food dropped outside their doors.

I'm not assuming the increased risk cruising with the 30% not vaccinated - so they just lost me.

This is why for a cruise next spring, I dug deep and selected a suite with a balcony.

P.S. There is now virtually no difference between vaccinated and unvaccinated people for transmitting COVID to someone else.

[dougjb]

Wow! What a bunch of misinformation about the vaccine! Too many whacko's running around complaining about the vaccine and not enough getting the jab!

Personally as far as cruises go, I can't wait to go back for some more norovirus!

[golfing eagles]

Current, people are vax’d getting covid from other vax’d people at a high rate. Natural immunity is high. I get tested every 3 to 4 months for my antibody level and it has not come down at all in 2 years! Since my vax’d friends still getting covid, I will not be getting vax’d and mess up my bodies ability to create its own immune system. I’ve never in my life had a flu shot and have not had the flu in over 20 years. There’s no one right decision for everyone. Since you can get covid just as easily from a vax’d person, it’s none of anyones business what others decide. There’s no excuse to lie if you’re currently sick…. Vax’d or not but if you’re currently non sick and healthy, no one puts you at a bigger risk based on their private vax choice.

What kind of doctor is ordering "antibody levels" every 3-4 months????? Let me guess: A "holistic doctor", a chiropractor, or a nutritionist. Quack, quack, quack. There are multiple anti-COVID antibodies, some of which confer immunity and some of which do not. I don't believe the full antibody panel is even available commercially. Short answer: The "antibody test" is essentially useless other than a wallet biopsy for the "provider"

[Altavia]

This is why for a cruise next spring, I dug deep and selected a suite with a balcony.

P.S. There is now virtually no difference between vaccinated and unvaccinated people for transmitting COVID to someone else.

Suggest to verify you get to stay in that balcony room rather that a 78 sq ft cell on the med deck, maybe without a window, if infected on board.

My point is the unvaccinated are 5-10 times more likely to catch COVID, increasing my risk to get there infection on board and end up running my cruise.

I also believe as several posted in this thread, the anti-vaxers don't care about anyone else and are far more likely to board with and not isolate when they have an infection.

So no cruises for me.

[JMintzer]

I know people like you who fake the test and have boarded knowing they have COVID.

At least if vaccinated there were people who cared about others.

So no more cruises for me.

It is more likely an unvaxed person will have the virus, and probably board even if they know they have the virus.

Ask what will happen if you get the virus on board.

Twice you've accused people of knowingly spreading covid...

Even accusing people of faking tests to board a ship.

Any proof to these accusations?

[JMintzer]

Suggest to verify you get to stay in that balcony room rather that a 78 sq ft cell on the med deck, maybe without a window, if infected on board.

My point is the unvaccinated are 5-10 times more likely to catch COVID, increasing my risk to get there infection on board and end up running my cruise.

I also believe as several posted in this thread, the anti-vaxers don't care about anyone else and are far more likely to board with and not isolate when they have an infection.

So no cruises for me.

If you're no going to go an any more cruises, why are you so passionate about the issue?

[Altavia]

Twice you've accused people of knowingly spreading covid...

Even accusing people of faking tests to board a ship.

Any proof to these accusations?



Intentional exposure has been reported in the media and I am aware of people who have shown up to indoor gatherings knowing they have COVID.

Intentional COVID-19 spread can put you in jail or a lawsuit | Rossen Law Firm (https://www.criminal-defense-dui.lawyer/blog/intentional-covid-19-spread-can-put-you-in-jail-or-a-lawsuit.cfm)

Test faking and document falsification has bee reported in the Travel media and I am also aware people who tested until they got a negative result before a cruise.

One must be extremely naive to believe this does not happen...

People Are Faking COVID-19 Tests In Order To Travel | TravelPulse (https://www.travelpulse.com/news/impacting-travel/people-are-faking-covid-19-tests-in-order-to-travel.html)

Travelers Are Buying Fake COVID-19 Test Results on the Black Market (https://www.travelandleisure.com/travel-news/travelers-using-counterfeit-covid-test-results)

[Altavia]

If you're no going to go an any more cruises, why are you so passionate about the issue?

Because cruise lines have taken the decision to increase the risk of their customers (friends and family) spending their time in a 78 sq ft room with no window.

[NoMoSno]

My point is the unvaccinated are 5-10 times more likely to catch COVID,
Got a link that backs up that statement?

[Bill14564]

Got a link that backs up that statement?

Google is your friend.

[Djean1981]

So how do they treat passengers who get COVID on the cruise?

Many of the people I know are returning from cruises with COVID. And they spent most of the cruise confined to a 78 sq ft cabin with no view. Food dropped outside their doors.

I'm not assuming the increased risk cruising with the 30% not vaccinated - so they just lost me.
Everybody knows by now that the vaccine doesn't stop you from getting (or spreading) covid. If you're worried, get a vaccine right before you go.

[Altavia]

Got a link that backs up that statement?

Many studies with similar outcomes.


Transmission of and Infection With COVID-19 Among Vaccinated and Unvaccinated Attendees of an Indoor Wedding Reception in Minnesota | Infectious Diseases | JAMA Network Open | JAMA Network (https://jamanetwork.com/journals/jamanetworkopen/fullarticle/2789424)

February 25, 2022
Transmission of and Infection With COVID-19 Among Vaccinated and Unvaccinated Attendees of an Indoor Wedding Reception in Minnesota

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Key Points
Question What are the characteristics of SARS-CoV-2 infection and transmission among vaccinated and unvaccinated attendees of a large indoor gathering?

Findings In this cohort study of 75 individuals, nearly half of attendees at an indoor wedding reception who were tested were infected with the Delta variant of SARS-CoV-2. Unvaccinated attendees had a higher risk of SARS-CoV-2 infection than vaccinated attendees, secondary transmission from vaccinated attendees to vaccinated and unvaccinated contacts was observed, and the index case was identified as an unvaccinated symptomatic child.

Meaning These findings suggest that unvaccinated people are at increased risk of contracting SARS-CoV-2 compared with vaccinated people in large social gatherings.

35% of the vaccinated vs 95% of the unvaccinated testing positive.

...

"Fully vaccinated attendees had a lower risk of developing symptoms or testing positive, and the only hospitalization was among an unvaccinated adult, supporting previous data showing reduced risk of infection and severe illness among vaccinated individuals."

...

[NoMoSno]

Google is your friend.
Not really.

[Altavia]

Everybody knows by now that the vaccine doesn't stop you from getting (or spreading) covid. If you're worried, get a vaccine right before you go.

The point is, getting COVID on a cruise ship is much more likely now. The cruise lines increased the risk more than 5 fold letting the unvaccinated board.

100% of cruise ships are now reporting COVID

Cruise Ship COVID Status Tracker (July 16): Daily Update Chart & News | Cruzely.com (https://www.cruzely.com/cruise-ship-covid-status-tracker-daily-update-chart-news-and-possible-cases/)

[Djean1981]

Many studies with similar outcomes.


Transmission of and Infection With COVID-19 Among Vaccinated and Unvaccinated Attendees of an Indoor Wedding Reception in Minnesota | Infectious Diseases | JAMA Network Open | JAMA Network (https://jamanetwork.com/journals/jamanetworkopen/fullarticle/2789424)

February 25, 2022
Transmission of and Infection With COVID-19 Among Vaccinated and Unvaccinated Attendees of an Indoor Wedding Reception in Minnesota

[
Key Points
Question What are the characteristics of SARS-CoV-2 infection and transmission among vaccinated and unvaccinated attendees of a large indoor gathering?

Findings In this cohort study of 75 individuals, nearly half of attendees at an indoor wedding reception who were tested were infected with the Delta variant of SARS-CoV-2. Unvaccinated attendees had a higher risk of SARS-CoV-2 infection than vaccinated attendees, secondary transmission from vaccinated attendees to vaccinated and unvaccinated contacts was observed, and the index case was identified as an unvaccinated symptomatic child.

Meaning These findings suggest that unvaccinated people are at increased risk of contracting SARS-CoV-2 compared with vaccinated people in large social gatherings.

35% of the vaccinated vs 95% of the unvaccinated testing positive.

...

"Fully vaccinated attendees had a lower risk of developing symptoms or testing positive, and the only hospitalization was among an unvaccinated adult, supporting previous data showing reduced risk of infection and severe illness among vaccinated individuals."

...
That's a very small study..

[Stu from NYC]

The point is, getting COVID on a cruise ship is much more likely now. The cruise lines increased the risk more than 5 fold letting the unvaccinated board.

100% of cruise ships are now reporting COVID

Cruise Ship COVID Status Tracker (July 16): Daily Update Chart & News | Cruzely.com (https://www.cruzely.com/cruise-ship-covid-status-tracker-daily-update-chart-news-and-possible-cases/)

What could possibly go wrong?:22yikes:

[NoMoSno]

Many studies with similar outcomes.


Transmission of and Infection With COVID-19 Among Vaccinated and Unvaccinated Attendees of an Indoor Wedding Reception in Minnesota | Infectious Diseases | JAMA Network Open | JAMA Network (https://jamanetwork.com/journals/jamanetworkopen/fullarticle/2789424)

February 25, 2022
Transmission of and Infection With COVID-19 Among Vaccinated and Unvaccinated Attendees of an Indoor Wedding Reception in Minnesota

[
Key Points
Question What are the characteristics of SARS-CoV-2 infection and transmission among vaccinated and unvaccinated attendees of a large indoor gathering?

Findings In this cohort study of 75 individuals, nearly half of attendees at an indoor wedding reception who were tested were infected with the Delta variant of SARS-CoV-2. Unvaccinated attendees had a higher risk of SARS-CoV-2 infection than vaccinated attendees, secondary transmission from vaccinated attendees to vaccinated and unvaccinated contacts was observed, and the index case was identified as an unvaccinated symptomatic child.

Meaning These findings suggest that unvaccinated people are at increased risk of contracting SARS-CoV-2 compared with vaccinated people in large social gatherings.

35% of the vaccinated vs 95% of the unvaccinated testing positive.

...

"Fully vaccinated attendees had a lower risk of developing symptoms or testing positive, and the only hospitalization was among an unvaccinated adult, supporting previous data showing reduced risk of infection and severe illness among vaccinated individuals."

...
From that article:

"Conclusions

In this cohort study of an outbreak investigation, a large outbreak of the Delta variant of COVID-19 occurred, even with a high proportion of vaccinated people at the event. This investigation found a high rate of vaccine breakthrough infections with the circulating Delta variant. However, unvaccinated wedding attendees were 2.6 times more likely to be infected with SARS-CoV-2 compared with vaccinated attendees. The only illness severe enough to require hospitalization was in an unvaccinated adult. A symptomatic child was identified as the index case. Multiple mitigation measures may be needed to protect against transmission of highly contagious variants of SARS-CoV-2 in large social gatherings when community rates of transmission are elevated, even when a high proportion of attendees are vaccinated."

So not the 5-10 times more likely you had claimed.

[UpNorth]

Many studies with similar outcomes.


Transmission of and Infection With COVID-19 Among Vaccinated and Unvaccinated Attendees of an Indoor Wedding Reception in Minnesota | Infectious Diseases | JAMA Network Open | JAMA Network (https://jamanetwork.com/journals/jamanetworkopen/fullarticle/2789424)

February 25, 2022
Transmission of and Infection With COVID-19 Among Vaccinated and Unvaccinated Attendees of an Indoor Wedding Reception in Minnesota

[
Key Points
Question What are the characteristics of SARS-CoV-2 infection and transmission among vaccinated and unvaccinated attendees of a large indoor gathering?

Findings In this cohort study of 75 individuals, nearly half of attendees at an indoor wedding reception who were tested were infected with the Delta variant of SARS-CoV-2. Unvaccinated attendees had a higher risk of SARS-CoV-2 infection than vaccinated attendees, secondary transmission from vaccinated attendees to vaccinated and unvaccinated contacts was observed, and the index case was identified as an unvaccinated symptomatic child.

Meaning These findings suggest that unvaccinated people are at increased risk of contracting SARS-CoV-2 compared with vaccinated people in large social gatherings.

35% of the vaccinated vs 95% of the unvaccinated testing positive.

...

"Fully vaccinated attendees had a lower risk of developing symptoms or testing positive, and the only hospitalization was among an unvaccinated adult, supporting previous data showing reduced risk of infection and severe illness among vaccinated individuals."

...

75 people. Wow. Got to stay away from those Minnesota weddings!😀

[tophcfa]

Being trapped on a floating Petri dish is not my idea of a good time, but to each his or her own.

[Stu from NYC]

Being trapped on a floating Petri dish is not my idea of a good time, but to each his or her own.

Been on three cruises since we felt safe to cruise again and on each cruise a small number of people walked off the ship with the virus.

This is with taking precautions and making sure everyone had been boosted and tested positive within two days of the cruise.

Will make the previous small number into a much much larger one.

[JMintzer]

Because cruise lines have taken the decision to increase the risk of their customers (friends and family) spending their time in a 78 sq ft room with no window.

Methinks they should pony up for a room with a balcony...

[JMintzer]

Intentional exposure has been reported in the media and I am aware of people who have shown up to indoor gatherings knowing they have COVID.

Intentional COVID-19 spread can put you in jail or a lawsuit | Rossen Law Firm (https://www.criminal-defense-dui.lawyer/blog/intentional-covid-19-spread-can-put-you-in-jail-or-a-lawsuit.cfm)

"While, to our knowledge, there has not yet been an alleged intentional coronavirus infection case in a courtroom in Florida- other Florida laws and state-set precedents suggest facing criminal charges or getting sued is not a far-fetched reality. "


Test faking and document falsification has bee reported in the Travel media and I am also aware people who tested until they got a negative result before a cruise.

One must be extremely naive to believe this does not happen...

People Are Faking COVID-19 Tests In Order To Travel | TravelPulse (https://www.travelpulse.com/news/impacting-travel/people-are-faking-covid-19-tests-in-order-to-travel.html)

Travelers Are Buying Fake COVID-19 Test Results on the Black Market (https://www.travelandleisure.com/travel-news/travelers-using-counterfeit-covid-test-results)[/QUOTE]

Ah, yes... A Travel Magazine... I'm sure their investigative reporting on this is surpassed only by their bingo cheating expose´...

[Altavia]

Methinks they should pony up for a room with a balcony...


Access Denied (https://www.tripadvisor.com/ShowTopic-g1-i10703-k13990882-What_happens_when_you_get_covid_on_a_cruise_ship_r ight_now-Cruises.html)

[Whitley]

I know people like you who fake the test and have boarded knowing they have COVID.

At least if vaccinated there were people who cared about others.

So no more cruises for me.

That post is really very arrogant. One could say that demanding everyone get the shot, including healthy younger people and those with natural immunity because you are at risk is the epitome of selfishness. I am a high risk patient should I get covid. I take precautions and do not demand children and others get a shot that may have adverse effects on them. In my opinion it would be wrong of me to insist a 20 year old get a shot when the risk benefit to them is not clear.I guess some would say I Care about children and healthy young adults. Of course what I am hoping to get across is that assigning some sense of morality, or lack of morality, because someone disagrees with your view is not quite so black and white.

[Altavia]

That post is really very arrogant. One could say that demanding everyone get the shot, including healthy younger people and those with natural immunity because you are at risk is the epitome of selfishness. I am a high risk patient should I get covid. I take precautions and do not demand children and others get a shot that may have adverse effects on them. In my opinion it would be wrong of me to insist a 20 year old get a shot when the risk benefit to them is not clear.I guess some would say I Care about children and healthy young adults. Of course what I am hoping to get across is that assigning some sense of morality, or lack of morality, because someone disagrees with your view is not quite so black and white.

The topic of this thread is removing vaccine requirements for cruising. This seems unwise given 80% of cruise ships reported "green" six months ago where today it is 0%.

They are sending people back sick, adding risk to people like you yourself.

I agree with you no one should be required to get a vaccine.

[JMintzer]

Access Denied (https://www.tripadvisor.com/ShowTopic-g1-i10703-k13990882-What_happens_when_you_get_covid_on_a_cruise_ship_r ight_now-Cruises.html)

Yeah, it says most lines let you quarantine in your own cabin...

But you don't have to worry since you're no longer cruising...

[Jean G]

I am a travel agent. I have never heard of a 78 square-foot passenger cabin. You might want to check the data on your entire post since it is called into question just from that one point.
I applaud the opening of the world (not just cruising) to unvaccinated.

[Altavia]

I am a travel agent. I have never heard of a 78 square-foot passenger cabin. You might want to check the data on your entire post since it is called into question just from that one point.
I applaud the opening of the world (not just cruising) to unvaccinated.

So what happens to a passenger who gets COVID on a cruise ship?

Or if they test positive at port?

What's the size of the isolation rooms on the med deck?