Don't want to call a plumber but

[Bubbalarry]

This may seem silly/stupid but I have tried to fix this issue myself and it just wont work. One of the toilets in our home just seems to constantly add water. I have tried several times to replace the rubber flap that covers the hole and water just seems to leak out ever so slowly. Like every hour or so water runs and fills up the tank and stops then an hour later it does it again, all day and night.

I have read tips about using Vaseline jelly and put it on the seal ring where the hole is. I did this I scraped the area as well and still it wont stop.

So before I call a plumber or change out the tank does anyone here at TOV have any other thoughts or ideas? Or a good plumber to destroy this piece of junk and add a better tank?

:ohdear::ohdear::rant-rave::rant-rave:

[Bill-n-Brillo]

A simple thing to check: Perhaps the flapper covering the hole isn't sitting 100% square, allowing a bit of water to escape under it.

Bill

[Bubbalarry]

A simple thing to check: Perhaps the flapper covering the hole isn't sitting 100% square, allowing a bit of water to escape under it.

Bill

Perhaps so but changing the flapper doesn't solve the issue. I tried it twice and same results. Some have said that TV water has tons of calcuim and it may have caused a buildup so I scoured the tanks rim where the flapper joins. I tried using vaseline on it and the flapper. I tried scouring the flapper nothing stops it. Last thing to do I guess is replace the whole darn thing. strange thing thogh as I have 2 of the same units in my house and the other has never been an issue.

[Ooper]

I'd try a different design. There are lot's of different type of mechanisms and flappers. It'd be a lot cheaper than calling a plumber. Another tip might help: don't know how much water goes in your tank but if you could adjust the float to possibly allow more water in the tank, the extra water weight might hold the flapper down a little more tighter to seal it better. Just a thought.

[chuckinca]

There is usually a screw, sometimes plastic, where the float arm attaches that can be adjusted to raise or lower the float that will control the water flow into the tank.



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[2 Oldcrabs]

It may be a crack in the plastic fill tube or the gasket that is between the "fill tube/flapper seal" assembly and the porcelain tank. You can let the tank fill up. Shut the water off. Put a small weight (fishing weight or stone) on the flapper to hold down for a good seal. You then have to wait a day or 2 and see where the the water levels out. If it is 1/2 a tank, then possible crack in the fill tube. If it goes below the flapper then the gasket between the the fill tube assembly and the porcelain. The home centers sell complete rebuilt kits that include all the guts in the tank. You will need to pull the tank off the bowl and you need a very large pair of channel locks or a 14" pipe wrench to lossen the large plastic nut that holds the fill tube assembly.
Ps I have found cracks in the assembly' but could not see it until I took it everything apart.
Good luck !

[l2ridehd]

If you are confident the flapper is making a good seal then the overflow tube is the only other place a leak would cause this problem. Either it is leaking at the bottom where it has a rubber seal or the plastic tube itself has a small fracture that is leaking.

The test described above may work, or remove the tube, hold the palm of your hand on the bottom and blow into the top to see if there is a leak.

[rjm1cc]

You may have a problem with the seat. The part the flapper covers. I have had this problem. As best I can recall I think I purchased something that fit into the seat and sealed it then the flapper on top of that. It was sold as one piece. Next time I had the problem, different tolit, I unbolted the tank and replaced the seal between the tolit and the tank. Look for two screws in the bottom. I would go for this solution if you have a two piece tolit.

[Bubbalarry]

Thanks for all the replies. Seems its time to just call the plumber tried everything cant find why its leaking. Tried to scrub the flapper hole with a scouring pad to remove any possible debris. It worked fine for a day and started up again tonight.

[elevatorman]

Fluidmaster makes a new seat for the flapper. It is a stainless steel ring that fits around the hole in the bottom of the tank with putty. Very easy to install and easy to remove down the road if a new one is needed later.

[memason]

You may have a problem with the seat. The part the flapper covers. I have had this problem. As best I can recall I think I purchased something that fit into the seat and sealed it then the flapper on top of that. It was sold as one piece. Next time I had the problem, different tolit, I unbolted the tank and replaced the seal between the tolit and the tank. Look for two screws in the bottom. I would go for this solution if you have a two piece tolit.

I think it's my warped perspective......

"You may have a problem with the seat." The toilet seat ???
"The part the flapper covers." OK, no need to get personal. I know I'm a bit overweight, but ...
"I have had this problem." YIKES.... sounds serious
"As best I can recall I think I purchased something that fit into the seat and sealed it then the flapper on top of that." OUCH....sounds painful! Are you OK now?

Sorry RJM1CC, your advice is very sincere, it just struck me funny as I read it... I think I need another glass of wine or maybe I need to go on a diet :confused:

[Bill-n-Brillo]

memason: :police::police::police: "BACK AWAY FROM THE COMPUTER, SIR!! DO NOT MAKE ANY SUDDEN MOVES.....AND PUT THE WINE GLASS DOWN!! THE MEN WITH THE WHITE SUITS WILL BE HERE FOR YOU SHORTLY!!!" :police::police::police:

:a20: Hee-hee!

Bill

[oldpaint1421]

Happened to me. I discovered a part of the bead chain
was stuck under the flapper. It was almost impossible to
see.

[Bubbalarry]

Just a follow-up on the system and the leak.
I contacted Mandy @ Pro-plumbers for repair who arrived on the date and time he promised. He replaced the flapper thinking that would solve the issue and did so without a charge to me. Very Nice.

However it didn't solve the problem, so he came back took out the tank to his truck and replaced them with all new parts and seals to the tank. Took less than an hour and he was on time.

Parts $ 35
Labor $ 100.00
Total Cost $ 135

So now I can have a full nights sleep without hearing the water run filling back up the tank every hour or so.

Well worth the costs to repair.:a040::a040::a040:

[Talk Host]

Great story. Fun to read.

Just a follow-up on the system and the leak.
I contacted Mandy @ Pro-plumbers for repair who arrived on the date and time he promised. He replaced the flapper thinking that would solve the issue and did so without a charge to me. Very Nice.

However it didn't solve the problem, so he came back took out the tank to his truck and replaced them with all new parts and seals to the tank. Took less than an hour and he was on time.

Parts $ 35
Labor $ 100.00
Total Cost $ 135

So now I can have a full nights sleep without hearing the water run filling back up the tank every hour or so.

Well worth the costs to repair.:a040::a040::a040:

[red tail]

Just a follow-up on the system and the leak.
I contacted Mandy @ Pro-plumbers for repair who arrived on the date and time he promised. He replaced the flapper thinking that would solve the issue and did so without a charge to me. Very Nice.

However it didn't solve the problem, so he came back took out the tank to his truck and replaced them with all new parts and seals to the tank. Took less than an hour and he was on time.

Parts $ 35
Labor $ 100.00
Total Cost $ 135

So now I can have a full nights sleep without hearing the water run filling back up the tank every hour or so.

Well worth the costs to repair.:a040::a040::a040:

you could have replaced the entire unit for less than that!

[springfield]

ours did the same thing, replaced flapper etc. found out you have to use Kohler parts not just the universal ones, call Kohler with model number inside tank lid

[Bubbalarry]

ours did the same thing, replaced flapper etc. found out you have to use Kohler parts not just the universal ones, call Kohler with model number inside tank lid

Did that, Done that. Installed the part from Kohler and it still leaked. So he removed and replaced all the seals and inner parts and so far upto now

" NO LEAKS"

[Bubbalarry]

you could have replaced the entire unit for less than that!

I would like for you to find a unit and a plumber who would install the unit for less than what I paid.

Yes Home Depot has some cheap 2 piece units, but what plumbers not going to charge you $$$$ thats going to be cheaper than what I paid.

Besides Mandy came highly recommended here at TOTV. I beleive that if it could have been cheaper he would have told me to buy a new one.

[l2ridehd]

For $135 and no leaks, good nights sleep, worth every penny. Yes you can buy a decent new unit for $150. However even if you do it yourself, you need a new wax ring, maybe a new connection hose, $20, a trip to Home Depot where you will spend another $50 on things you don't need, another hour of your time, swearing, lifting, (they are heavy), and not to mention placing the old unit out by the trash and dealing with all the comments. $25 worth of pain pills for the aching back, band aids for the scraped knuckles, and a missed round of golf where you would have won $10 from your friends. So really total cost is about $250.

So yes $135 is very cheap and well worth the piece of mind.

[downeaster]

I would like for you to find a unit and a plumber who would install the unit for less than what I paid.

Yes Home Depot has some cheap 2 piece units, but what plumbers not going to charge you $$$$ thats going to be cheaper than what I paid.

Besides Mandy came highly recommended here at TOTV. I beleive that if it could have been cheaper he would have told me to buy a new one.

I had a similar problem. Spent a few $$ replacing individual parts. Finally bought complete Fluidmaster replacement kit. Wrestled tank off and replaced parts. Wrestled tank back on. Whole set of new leaks. Wrestled tank off again. Reread directions. Oops! Washers in wrong place. Corrected. Wrestled tank back on. Success, finally.

Knowing what I know now, I would have gladly spent $135.00 to have a pro do the job.

[Bubbalarry]

For $135 and no leaks, good nights sleep, worth every penny. Yes you can buy a decent new unit for $150. However even if you do it yourself, you need a new wax ring, maybe a new connection hose, $20, a trip to Home Depot where you will spend another $50 on things you don't need, another hour of your time, swearing, lifting, (they are heavy), and not to mention placing the old unit out by the trash and dealing with all the comments. $25 worth of pain pills for the aching back, band aids for the scraped knuckles, and a missed round of golf where you would have won $10 from your friends. So really total cost is about $250.

So yes $135 is very cheap and well worth the piece of mind.

WOW! I did something right. Please call my wife. BTW my back feels great but my golf game still sucks.