Witnessing the downfall of Tom Brady

[SHIBUMI]

It has always amazed me that most great athletes don't know when to quit. Tom Brady like
the Kronk should have called it quits. They can't stand leaving at the top, unlike Michel Jordan who was forced into retirement when they traded all the other team players. The did him a very very big favor. But, he fell into the ego trap and thought he could play baseball, wrong.

Now that they have defensive lineman who are 6 ft 5 inches 325 pounds and run the 40 as fast as backs, it is only a matter of time before they introduce themselves to Tom in not so nice a way. It will be sad to see him get injured before the season is out. BUT, it will be his own fault.

Boxers are notorious for this also. While they may be great athletes their brains are in short supply. It will be truly sad to see such a great player get his head handed to him. If he were smart he would get out now. It is better to be a live goat than a crippled one. Please save yourself Tom, we really don't want to see it happen.

[Garywt]

Probably should have stayed retired especially since he is not 100% committed this year. At his age and missing practices etc it could be real tough. Hopefully it won’t end in injury.

[Michael G.]

Great advice, but once football and other pro sports gets in your blood it's hard to give it up.

Being a Packer fan, we all seen that happen to Brett Farve.
How many times did he retire and unretire causing a lot of bad relationships with the Packers.

I also wish Tom Brady the best and safe season going into his senior years.

[ThirdOfFive]

It has always amazed me that most great athletes don't know when to quit. Tom Brady like
the Kronk should have called it quits. They can't stand leaving at the top, unlike Michel Jordan who was forced into retirement when they traded all the other team players. The did him a very very big favor. But, he fell into the ego trap and thought he could play baseball, wrong.

Now that they have defensive lineman who are 6 ft 5 inches 325 pounds and run the 40 as fast as backs, it is only a matter of time before they introduce themselves to Tom in not so nice a way. It will be sad to see him get injured before the season is out. BUT, it will be his own fault.

Boxers are notorious for this also. While they may be great athletes their brains are in short supply. It will be truly sad to see such a great player get his head handed to him. If he were smart he would get out now. It is better to be a live goat than a crippled one. Please save yourself Tom, we really don't want to see it happen.
Not sure where those "statistics" come from re MJ, but Michael Jordan had some of his best basketball years with the Bulls AFTER his baseball stint:

"Jordan won his first NBA title with the Bulls in 1991, and followed that achievement with titles in 1992 and 1993, securing a three-peat. Jordan abruptly retired from basketball before the 1993–94 NBA season to play Minor League Baseball but returned to the Bulls in March 1995 and led them to three more championships in 1996, 1997, and 1998, as well as a then-record 72 regular season wins in the 1995–96 NBA season."

Also not sure of "all the other team players" forcing Jordan into retirement. It was his ego that led him to baseball. Fortunately he saw the writing on the wall and returned to the Bulls 2 years later for some of his best basketball years. It should also be noted that Jordan and Pippen formed the backbone of the bulls pre-baseball stint. Pippen was still there when Jordan returned BUT the team also added people like Dennis Rodman, Steve Kerr, Tony Kukoc, and Luc Longley, giving the Bulls even more horses around Jordan than during his pre-baseball stint (as witnessed by the fact that the Bulls own two of the top three all-time won-lost records, 72-10 in 1996 and 69-13 in 1997.

In my opinion the Bulls, as good as they were before Jordan's baseball stint, were probably the best of all time during the years AFTER he returned to basketball.

[CoachKandSportsguy]

downfall, no, that's pretty harsh. . .

When i played fantasy football once, I realized that there is a large piece of information missing when just selecting players and teams. Coaching strategy and coaching talent as well as team talent. any player can get hurt and miss the season. most coaches have a limited number of plays which they use per season, and the quarterback is just trying to execute the play call.

Get a coach who calls plays poorly, quarterback can't make up the difference all the time. how much is the coaching, the player selection and the play calling versus each opponent. . .

in reality, as an outsider, unknowable, but does it exist? yes, and don't know about the future, but its never only one person on a team.

[rustyp]

G.O.A.T - Get Out Ahead Tommie.

[LuvNH]

On this subject ...... Roger Federer announced his retirement this past week. A truly great sportsman and ambassasor for the tennis world a model for professional athletes.

[Tvflguy]

TB12 STILL has the unbridled talent, health, and competitive spirit. More than any other athlete his age - esp in a hard hitting sport as NFL.

Personally I give him much hope and credit for this season. Sundays game was difficult with all the Bucs injuries. But they pulled it out. Now Mike Evans is suspended for next game, grrr.

Never count TB out. He had proven that time and again and again. He is the GOAT. Just hope that his last year, this one, ends well. And that his family issues mend well too.

[ThirdOfFive]

On this subject ...... Roger Federer announced his retirement this past week. A truly great sportsman and ambassasor for the tennis world a model for professional athletes.
Agree. One of the top three of all time--Roger Federer, Raphael Nadal and Novak Djokovic. You pick the order.

I loved to watch Roger play. He moved almost effortlessly, as opposed to someone like Raphael Nadal whose efforts are a lot more evident.

[Kenswing]

I wouldn't say he has fallen yet. The Bucs are 2-0.

[ithos]

It is a mistake to assume that Tom Brady is on the same glide path to old age as your typical American. He has followed a strict diet and exercise regimen that has extended his physical capabilities far longer than most of the other players in the NFL.

[HoosierPa]

It has always amazed me that most great athletes don't know when to quit. Tom Brady like
the Kronk should have called it quits. They can't stand leaving at the top, unlike Michel Jordan who was forced into retirement when they traded all the other team players. The did him a very very big favor. But, he fell into the ego trap and thought he could play baseball, wrong.

Now that they have defensive lineman who are 6 ft 5 inches 325 pounds and run the 40 as fast as backs, it is only a matter of time before they introduce themselves to Tom in not so nice a way. It will be sad to see him get injured before the season is out. BUT, it will be his own fault.

Boxers are notorious for this also. While they may be great athletes their brains are in short supply. It will be truly sad to see such a great player get his head handed to him. If he were smart he would get out now. It is better to be a live goat than a crippled one. Please save yourself Tom, we really don't want to see it happen.

Agreed. Dan Marino too.

It sure is fun watching the St. Louis Cardinals this year with Pujols at age 42, and Molina at age 40 catching Adam Wainwright at age 41. They are all still doing great and hopefully will contribute to a World Series win (doubtful I admit)

[Bertram00]

Anyone who cites Michael Jordan's baseball years as anything other than a veiled suspension from the NBA for his excessive gambling and the bad press it brought can't be relied upon for an opinion on TB12

[Worldseries27]

All good op's. Tb12 is not playing only for another championship. He's playing to erase the sting of being a sixth round, # 199, draft choice and only getting his chance through injury. Remember bledsoe won the afl championship game. By setting personal nfl records he hopes to eliminate any chance of losing his throne, a la babe ruth, to any future contender

[threeonemiles@outlook.com]

All good op's. Tb12 is not playing only for another championship. He's playing to erase the sting of being a sixth round, # 199, draft choice and only getting his chance through injury. Remember bledsoe won the afl championship game. By setting personal nfl records he hopes to eliminate any chance of losing his throne, a la babe ruth, to any future contender
Playing to erase the sting? I believe 7 championships is enough to say he has done well for himself. He has nothing to prove to anyone so there is no sting there. I also believe he will know when to retire without the drama; he loves the game and the competition. The draft is a crap shoot. Examples: Ryan Leaf, Jamarcus Russell, Akili Smith, Brian Bosworth, Robert Griffin III, Johnny Manziel, Vince Young, et.al. Good college players, but the NFL is a different stratosphere.

[George Page]

For years, Boston fans read stories about age catching up with Brady. They were all wrong. He went on to collect 4 or 5 more rings since the first one was published.

[Notsocrates]

It has always amazed me that most great athletes don't know when to quit. Tom Brady like
the Kronk should have called it quits. They can't stand leaving at the top, unlike Michel Jordan who was forced into retirement when they traded all the other team players. The did him a very very big favor. But, he fell into the ego trap and thought he could play baseball, wrong.

Now that they have defensive lineman who are 6 ft 5 inches 325 pounds and run the 40 as fast as backs, it is only a matter of time before they introduce themselves to Tom in not so nice a way. It will be sad to see him get injured before the season is out. BUT, it will be his own fault.

Boxers are notorious for this also. While they may be great athletes their brains are in short supply. It will be truly sad to see such a great player get his head handed to him. If he were smart he would get out now. It is better to be a live goat than a crippled one. Please save yourself Tom, we really don't want to see it happen.

What downfall?
Did you see the game this week?

[Bridget Staunton]

I will say he is a smart man and he will make a decision that’s good for him & his family. God bless him

[MrFlorida]

Maybe you think it's a downfall , but for what they paid him, it's a windfall for him..

[Captainpd]

Game has changed. QB wears a skirt, throw the ball away almost any time, receivers wear glue gloves. Brady wouldn't last 3 years in the 60's

[carlsondg]

The rule is "Father time is undefeated," but Tom Brady is the exception to that rule. What he has done to the level he has done it is unprecedented.

[daca55]

TB12 STILL has the unbridled talent, health, and competitive spirit. More than any other athlete his age - esp in a hard hitting sport as NFL.

Personally I give him much hope and credit for this season. Sundays game was difficult with all the Bucs injuries. But they pulled it out. Now Mike Evans is suspended for next game, grrr.

Never count TB out. He had proven that time and again and again. He is the GOAT. Just hope that his last year, this one, ends well. And that his family issues mend well too.

Totally agree! TB is greatest of all time and he loves the game of football. You can never count him out even at the age he is now. I too hope he has a great year and stays healthy. He has provided me some of my greatest football memories when he was with the Patriots and now with Tampa.

[jimschlaefer]

It has always amazed me that most great athletes don't know when to quit. Tom Brady like
the Kronk should have called it quits. They can't stand leaving at the top, unlike Michel Jordan who was forced into retirement when they traded all the other team players. The did him a very very big favor. But, he fell into the ego trap and thought he could play baseball, wrong.

Now that they have defensive lineman who are 6 ft 5 inches 325 pounds and run the 40 as fast as backs, it is only a matter of time before they introduce themselves to Tom in not so nice a way. It will be sad to see him get injured before the season is out. BUT, it will be his own fault.

Boxers are notorious for this also. While they may be great athletes their brains are in short supply. It will be truly sad to see such a great player get his head handed to him. If he were smart he would get out now. It is better to be a live goat than a crippled one. Please save yourself Tom, we really don't want to see it happen.


Good part of it may be the rush they get from the competition along with the camaraderie in that team environment. Not just associated with elite players in sports. Also can be found in the military, especially among elite warrior teams. Both examples often have serious struggles breaking out and into "ho hum" normal, dull, everyday lifestyles. They get no rush going to the store to by a quart of milk and a loaf of bread.

[Nucky]

I wish Tom Brady the best. He has entertained us for years.

I hope he has an easy time with his next wife. I guess if he shows some women his checkbook that will make starting a second family a whole lot easier. He should have listened to his wife and helped raise his family. Enough already.

[nhtexasrn]

It has always amazed me that most great athletes don't know when to quit. Tom Brady like
the Kronk should have called it quits. They can't stand leaving at the top, unlike Michel Jordan who was forced into retirement when they traded all the other team players. The did him a very very big favor. But, he fell into the ego trap and thought he could play baseball, wrong.

Now that they have defensive lineman who are 6 ft 5 inches 325 pounds and run the 40 as fast as backs, it is only a matter of time before they introduce themselves to Tom in not so nice a way. It will be sad to see him get injured before the season is out. BUT, it will be his own fault.

Boxers are notorious for this also. While they may be great athletes their brains are in short supply. It will be truly sad to see such a great player get his head handed to him. If he were smart he would get out now. It is better to be a live goat than a crippled one. Please save yourself Tom, we really don't want to see it happen.

Ego, pure ego.

[BostonRich]

Ego, pure ego.

Skill, pure skill.

[greenrzilla]

Tampa Bay, 2 and 0. Brady two touchdowns over 400 yards and 82,5 passer rating. Not the best in his career but in the middle of the NFL pack. Next Monday a 38 year old and a 45 year old go head to head. Brady wants that game over Green Bay.

[JMintzer]

Ego, pure ego.

Without it, one cannot compete on that level...

[GATORBILL66]

It has always amazed me that most great athletes don't know when to quit. Tom Brady like
the Kronk should have called it quits. They can't stand leaving at the top, unlike Michel Jordan who was forced into retirement when they traded all the other team players. The did him a very very big favor. But, he fell into the ego trap and thought he could play baseball, wrong.

Now that they have defensive lineman who are 6 ft 5 inches 325 pounds and run the 40 as fast as backs, it is only a matter of time before they introduce themselves to Tom in not so nice a way. It will be sad to see him get injured before the season is out. BUT, it will be his own fault.

Boxers are notorious for this also. While they may be great athletes their brains are in short supply. It will be truly sad to see such a great player get his head handed to him. If he were smart he would get out now. It is better to be a live goat than a crippled one. Please save yourself Tom, we really don't want to see it happen. Hmmmm, Just looking at the standings, it seems Brady is still undefeated. Just saying!

[SHIBUMI]

my fear is that Brady will get injured badly, once on the field the goat is just another opponent to crush. I hope not but I fear it a lot.

[Nucky]

Ego? His wife asked him to help raise his children. His Ego told him to play football. I don’t think that he made a good decision. He should never try to outguess his wife when a major request like that has been made. Oh well.

The request from his wife was a fact or just alleged?

[Worldseries27]

playing to erase the sting? I believe 7 championships is enough to say he has done well for himself. He has nothing to prove to anyone so there is no sting there. I also believe he will know when to retire without the drama; he loves the game and the competition. The draft is a crap shoot. Examples: Ryan leaf, jamarcus russell, akili smith, brian bosworth, robert griffin iii, johnny manziel, vince young, et.al. Good college players, but the nfl is a different stratosphere.
7 championship's is a team record.
Tb12 is striving for personal records to cement his throne from the mahones, allens and other contenders like johnny manziel. Wasn't too long ago that drew brees was ahead of him in td,s

[Worldseries27]

playing to erase the sting? I believe 7 championships is enough to say he has done well for himself. He has nothing to prove to anyone so there is no sting there. I also believe he will know when to retire without the drama; he loves the game and the competition. The draft is a crap shoot. Examples: Ryan leaf, jamarcus russell, akili smith, brian bosworth, robert griffin iii, johnny manziel, vince young, et.al. Good college players, but the nfl is a different stratosphere.
here you go.
Tom Brady's parents said during an interview that their son was so distraught about falling in the draft, that when he left their home to get some air they followed him.

[ithos]

Ego? His wife asked him to help raise his children. His Ego told him to play football. I don’t think that he made a good decision. He should never try to outguess his wife when a major request like that has been made. Oh well.

The request from his wife was a fact or just alleged?

Tom Brady's children are some of the most fortunate people on the planet.

Navy brats often see very little of their fathers growing up. Far less than any pro football players kids. And they usually turn out ok.

[CoachKandSportsguy]

without it, one cannot compete on that level...

fact check: True

[gego3650]

lol

[threeonemiles@outlook.com]

7 championship's is a team record.
Tb12 is striving for personal records to cement his throne from the mahones, allens and other contenders like johnny manziel. Wasn't too long ago that drew brees was ahead of him in td,s
His throne is well cemented. If he wants to keep playing, by all means, have at it. God bless him.

[TrapX]

Nothing is more mentally painful than when a parent is hated by their kids because dad is never there for them. Money and fame never fixes that.

[fdpaq0580]

His throne is well cemented. If he wants to keep playing, by all means, have at it. God bless him.

I think that some people are so tied into "what" they are that they have no idea "who" they are. Tom is a star, like so many before him, and is possibly unable to come to grips with giving that adoration up, even for family. He likely sees himself as Tom Brady Superstar, and is just unwilling or unable to becoming just plain old Tom Brady former somebody.

[Mikethetennisplayer]

Yes that is quite a downfall with a lousy 2-0 record against none other than Dallas and New Orleans, two great teams. We should all have a downfall like that one.

[Nucky]

Tom Brady's children are some of the most fortunate people on the planet.

Navy brats often see very little of their fathers growing up. Far less than any pro football players kids. And they usually turn out ok.

I get it. If the subject was about someone in the Military I wouldn't have commented. It was about an excellent Football Player whos wife wants a hand raising their children. In my experience an ask like that is not really an ask. It just do it, with no negotiation. Maybe with that kind of bread process requests from their life partner differently. Who really knows? Wonder how the kids feel that dad picked football over them? Ouch!

[fdpaq0580]

I get it. If the subject was about someone in the Military I wouldn't have commented. It was about an excellent Football Player whos wife wants a hand raising their children. In my experience an ask like that is not really an ask. It just do it, with no negotiation. Maybe with that kind of bread process requests from their life partner differently. Who really knows? Wonder how the kids feel that dad picked football over them? Ouch!

He may be a great football player, but what kind of person is he when the game is over? For all we know his family is better off while he not at home. And, if the family falls apart, there will be more money for them to divvy up.
I wish him and his family no ill will, but he has made his decision contrary to what his wife asked of him, so now they must deal with the consequences of that decision.

[BrianL99]

It's simply amazing how many folks in The Villages, are privy to the inner workings of Tom Brady's relationship with his wife and family.

He's "worked" from August to January every year for 24 years. He's then had 6 or so months to do whatever multi-millionaires do with their off time. How many Villager fathers had 6 months of the year off to spend with their children & family, from age 22 to 45?

The "Downfall of Tom Brady" ? If you had a team that had a one time opportunity to make the 2023 Super Bowl and you had your choice of QB's, who would be dumb enough not to choose TB?

[ThirdOfFive]

He may be a great football player, but what kind of person is he when the game is over? For all we know his family is better off while he not at home. And, if the family falls apart, there will be more money for them to divvy up.
I wish him and his family no ill will, but he has made his decision contrary to what his wife asked of him, so now they must deal with the consequences of that decision.
Why should we give two hoots about Tom Brady's family life? He is paid to play FOOTBALL, not because he is vying for Father of the Year.

[fdpaq0580]

Why should we give two hoots about Tom Brady's family life? He is paid to play FOOTBALL, not because he is vying for Father of the Year.

Actually, I agree with you. Just some melodrama surrounding a sports superstar. Just something to talk about over coffee or a beer.

[Nucky]

It's simply amazing how many folks in The Villages, are privy to the inner workings of Tom Brady's relationship with his wife and family.

He's "worked" from August to January every year for 24 years. He's then had 6 or so months to do whatever multi-millionaires do with their off time. How many Villager fathers had 6 months of the year off to spend with their children & family, from age 22 to 45?

The "Downfall of Tom Brady" ? If you had a team that had a one time opportunity to make the 2023 Super Bowl and you had your choice of QB's, who would be dumb enough not to choose TB?

I might be dumb enough depending on who his competition is. I might choose someone else from the menu. TB is getting old you know. :a20:

[ThirdOfFive]

I might be dumb enough depending on who his competition is. I might choose someone else from the menu. TB is getting old you know. :a20:
According to the International Business Times website: here is a quick history of his financial situation through the current season.

"Tom Brady announced Sunday that he will return to the Tampa Bay Buccaneers next season

He is set to make over $27.27 million this year under his new contract with the Buccaneers, reports say

The three-time MVP made about $293 million in salary and bonuses in his 22 years in the NFL"

Dunno about the rest of y'all but all this talk about going out on top, cementing his standing as GOAT, being too old to play at previous levels, absentee father, etc. etc., pales in comparison to that number, $27,270,000.00 he's going to be paid for working from July 26, 2022 through (maybe) February 12, 2023. And that number doesn't include those playoff games/wins Brady might accumulate up to and possibly including that February 12, 2023 date, nor does it include endorsements, public appearances, etc., apart from actual playing.

Thirty million, realistically. Who among us could walk away from that kind of money?

[Tvflguy]

I’m a TB12 fan. But gotta wonder if he is displeased with himself for his unretirement decision.

Causing unrest in his marriage. And now with a not-good season at present and perhaps onward. He is not too happy on the field and probably off.

Easy to second guess but wish that he went out on a high. Oh well.

[Stu from NYC]

According to the International Business Times website: here is a quick history of his financial situation through the current season.

"Tom Brady announced Sunday that he will return to the Tampa Bay Buccaneers next season

He is set to make over $27.27 million this year under his new contract with the Buccaneers, reports say

The three-time MVP made about $293 million in salary and bonuses in his 22 years in the NFL"

Dunno about the rest of y'all but all this talk about going out on top, cementing his standing as GOAT, being too old to play at previous levels, absentee father, etc. etc., pales in comparison to that number, $27,270,000.00 he's going to be paid for working from July 26, 2022 through (maybe) February 12, 2023. And that number doesn't include those playoff games/wins Brady might accumulate up to and possibly including that February 12, 2023 date, nor does it include endorsements, public appearances, etc., apart from actual playing.

Thirty million, realistically. Who among us could walk away from that kind of money?

Understan why he might want more but his offensive line is being very offensive and he takes the brunt of it.

[Caymus]

Old, creaky and cranky?

NFL Sunday takeaways: Tom Brady, Aaron Rodgers look old, creaky and cranky (https://www.adn.com/sports/national-sports/2022/10/16/nfl-sunday-takeaways-tom-brady-aaron-rodgers-look-old-creaky-and-cranky/)

[charlieo1126@gmail.com]

Tom Brady nfl ranking after this week in number 6 place , on a team full of injuries especially the O line and receivers his stats after 5 games 68.1% completion rate , 1,409 passing yards, 6.8 ypa , 7 pass td , 1 interception, 0 rushing yards/ 2 fumbles imagine if he had some time to go deep or if he had more then one guy to go deep, he not the problem , and I never read on here or in a newspaper about his personal life , because as I said n another thread we don’t know what we don’t know and anyway it’s none of my business , I’m sure there are many teams that would definitely be standing in line for this washed up QB

[MrFlorida]

The jokes on you, he still gets paid.

[Stu from NYC]

Old, creaky and cranky?

NFL Sunday takeaways: Tom Brady, Aaron Rodgers look old, creaky and cranky (https://www.adn.com/sports/national-sports/2022/10/16/nfl-sunday-takeaways-tom-brady-aaron-rodgers-look-old-creaky-and-cranky/)

When you do not get protection consistently QB will not look so good

[Nucky]

It's simply amazing how many folks in The Villages, are privy to the inner workings of Tom Brady's relationship with his wife and family.

He's "worked" from August to January every year for 24 years. He's then had 6 or so months to do whatever multi-millionaires do with their off time. How many Villager fathers had 6 months of the year off to spend with their children & family, from age 22 to 45?

The "Downfall of Tom Brady" ? If you had a team that had a one time opportunity to make the 2023 Super Bowl and you had your choice of QB's, who would be dumb enough not to choose TB? THE GIANT OR JETS! :1rotfl::1rotfl: