Third Covid Booster

[New Englander]

I've had both Moderna shots and both boosters. Now the is a third Booster available. This is the first time I'm not really sure about a Covid Vaccine. I want to ask what others here are thinking about it?

[FenneyFanatic]

I’ll be first in line!

[Bill14564]

I've had both Moderna shots and both boosters. Now the is a third Booster available. This is the first time I'm not really sure about a Covid Vaccine. I want to ask what others here are thinking about it?

We plan to get it sometime in the next 90 days along with the flu shot if possible. I fully expect the flu and Covid boosters to become a standard yearly practice.

[Stu from NYC]

Will probably getting up but will discuss with our doctor in two weeks when we have physical.

[Two Bills]

Wife and I had our Moderna boosters two weeks ago.
All our previous vaccs. had been Pfizer, but it seems UK is using Moderna for boosters as it has some Omicron protection included.

[Groovejet]

I've had both Moderna shots and both boosters. Now the is a third Booster available. This is the first time I'm not really sure about a Covid Vaccine. I want to ask what others here are thinking about it?

I got the Pfizer booster 2 days ago (and the flu shot a few weeks ago.) I was going to wait until a little deeper into the fall, but coming to The Villages for my Lifestyle visit (and Orlando) next month, and with traveling just felt safer getting it now. No side effects. I haven't even had a sore arm.

[UpNorth]

You should be fine, thanks to the chip shortage, they only put the tracking chips in the first 2 shots.

Pfizer and Moderna just love making this stuff and having the government buy it and sell it to you. Big profits and exempt from lawsuits. No need to disclose the side effects in advertising that is required in every other drug.

[Kahuna32162]

Only place I could find in The Villages was Walgreen's on 42. Appointment setup for next Monday. At this point Publix is not offering the updated booster for the Omnicon variant.

[Altavia]

Only place I could find in The Villages was Walgreen's on 42. Appointment setup for next Monday. At this point Publix is not offering the updated booster for the Omnicon variant.

Publix has the Pfizer booster.

[New Englander]

When I had my six month visit with my MD ten days ago and I asked if I should get it he said it's up to you.

[Babubhat]

Not until updated version available

[Altavia]

I've had both Moderna shots and both boosters. Now the is a third Booster available. This is the first time I'm not really sure about a Covid Vaccine. I want to ask what others here are thinking about it?

At this point, holding off until a few weeks before a higher risk gathering/event such as wedding or cruise.

So recently got a Pfizer booster because I'm going out of country in a few weeks. Arm was sore and energy down a few days after, similar to a flu vaccine.

For me the potential benefits outweigh the risks. YMMV

[Stu from NYC]

When I had my six month visit with my MD ten days ago and I asked if I should get it he said it's up to you.

Wow nothing like your medical professional not offering an opinion

[Jgg7933]

Me and the wife got our 3rd booster Sunday 9/18. Aside from a little upper arm soreness the 2nd night we had Zero side effects. These shots must be working since we know so many people that have got Covid19 but we have not. We are a little more cautious than most though and we are still wearing masks in crowded places. We are not too worried about our "Freedoms being infringed upon" and feel it's worth being safer than sorry! Call us just "Old Fashioned"!

[Nucky]

I’ll be first in line!

You'll be first in line just behind me and my wife! :1rotfl::1rotfl:
Just kidding!

Appointments have already been made. I had second thoughts but once I got to New Jersey on a recent visit I found out why a few friends were not answering their phones. It was not good news. So sorry for their families.

Enough with this plague already. :cus:

[Oldragbagger]

I have several auto immune diseases so I have a very over active immune system. Even though I was afraid, I had the first two shots in 2021. Then this past January I had a wicked case of Covid and was told to wait at least 8 months for a booster. I had that booster two weeks ago and was dreadfully sick afterwards for two days. My body just seemed to have an extreme over reaction. So…… unless I have a very compelling reason to do so, I think that was the last for me.

[thelegges]

When my physicians have no opinion to omicron or decline. It’s a NO for me

[Keefelane66]

I’ll wait for a consensus of opinions then choose whether I get the booster shot on not.

[Dotneko]

Me and the wife got our 3rd booster Sunday 9/18. Aside from a little upper arm soreness the 2nd night we had Zero side effects. These shots must be working since we know so many people that have got Covid19 but we have not. We are a little more cautious than most though and we are still wearing masks in crowded places. We are not too worried about our "Freedoms being infringed upon" and feel it's worth being safer than sorry! Call us just "Old Fashioned"!

How do you know you havent had Covid? I lost taste for a day and tested positive. I made my husband test and he was also positive with absolutely no symptoms. He would never have known.

[Papa_lecki]

Me and the wife got our 3rd booster Sunday 9/18. Aside from a little upper arm soreness the 2nd night we had Zero side effects. These shots must be working since we know so many people that have got Covid19 but we have not. We are a little more cautious than most though and we are still wearing masks in crowded places. We are not too worried about our "Freedoms being infringed upon" and feel it's worth being safer than sorry! Call us just "Old Fashioned"!

You more than likely had it - just assymptomatic.

More than half of Americans have been infected by COVID-19 in past 2 years : NPR (https://www.npr.org/2022/04/26/1094817774/covid-19-infections-us-most-americans)

[Byte1]

Haven't had a booster yet. Wow, I'm still alive! At this point in my life, I'm not interested until my doctor tells me that I MUST get one. Of course, I only see a doctor once per year for my yearly physical. He still asks me if i want a flu shot and shrugs when I ask him if I really need it. Never had the flu and haven't had a flu shot in the last fifty years. Had covid but it was no more vicious than a mild cold. I'm glad everyone else gets their shots, so they can live forever. You do live forever when you get your booster, right? Just me being facetious. I am neither for nor against covid boosters and will not try to convince anyone to forego getting their vaccinations. Me? At this time, I am not getting any boosters. I had my original two shots and no boosters. I'm healthy and well past my expiration date so if I croak from covid, I've lived a great life so C'est la vie. Not planning to wear a face mask anymore either, UNLESS I have to visit a hospital and they require it. Living dangerously? Hey, I wear a seat belt when I drive and a helmet when I ride my motorbike. :thumbup:

[ThirdOfFive]

I've had both Moderna shots and both boosters. Now the is a third Booster available. This is the first time I'm not really sure about a Covid Vaccine. I want to ask what others here are thinking about it?
My granddaughter had Covid about a year ago, and a vaccination (required by her work) about six months back.

Last week she came down with Covid again, MUCH worse than the first time around.

Draw your own conclusions about this. I did.

[ThirdOfFive]

Wow nothing like your medical professional not offering an opinion
I think he did. Had the physician thought favorably of the booster he or she would most likely have recommended it.

[ohioshooter]

We just got our second booster along with the Flu shot. For the time being, I’m done.

[Stu from NYC]

I think he did. Had the physician thought favorably of the booster he or she would most likely have recommended it.

Could be but would prefer a more definitive opinion. In any case we deal with a number of physicians and will ask most or all for their take on boosters

[jswirs]

I've had both Moderna shots and both boosters. Now the is a third Booster available. This is the first time I'm not really sure about a Covid Vaccine. I want to ask what others here are thinking about it?
For me it does not require much thought, just a simple no thank you!

[G.R.I.T.S.]

Short answer No. Long answer hell no.

[Nucky]

My Doctor said the second Booster was a money grab in his opinion and he decided against it but told me to get it. I'd be long gone already and have followed his advice on everything except losing a couple of biscuits. He just advised me to get the new booster with the flu shot. That's great because I scheduled it already.

I'm so grateful to have a Doctor like him. He offered to make a house call when I was first discharged from the hospital after a slip and fall in my own driveway checking the air pressure in the carts and cars. No good deed goes unpunished I've heard. Morgan & Morgan said the case was worth 2 Million. I declined. Just kidding. To have a Doctor you trust is a new thing for me and I appreciate it and like it.

[NewRealms]

"Those who would give up essential Liberty, to purchase a little temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety." ~Ben Franklin

[NewRealms]

We are not too worried about our "Freedoms being infringed upon" and feel it's worth being safer than sorry! Call us just "Old Fashioned"!

"Those who would give up essential Liberty, to purchase a little temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety."

[Stu from NYC]

"Those who would give up essential Liberty, to purchase a little temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety." ~Ben Franklin

Taking a vaccine that protects us from covid is not giving up liberty. I trust our doctors over random people posting on the internet with no medical education

[Two Bills]

"Those who would give up essential Liberty, to purchase a little temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety."

What a quote that was about raising money for defense against French and Indian attacks has to do with Covid, only a poster who dwells in another 'realm' would know!:shrug:

[Skeeterkal]

My doctor recommended that I have the third Moderna booster so I'll follow through on that. I didn't feel too bad after any of the four jabs so far and, fortunately, haven't had Covid.

[billethkid]

Our doctor(s) have recommended the boosters to limit/prevent potential hospitalization/death.
Family members, medical professionals, concur.
At 80+++ the boosters prevent serious illnes, hospitalization/death.

We got our 3rd Moderna booster last week at Publix.

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:censored:

[Keefelane66]

Our doctor(s) have recommended the boosters to limit/prevent potential hospitalization/death.
Family members, medical professionals, concur.
At 80+++ the boosters prevent serious illnes, hospitalization/death.

We got our 3rd Moderna booster last week at Publix.

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:censored:
Finally a common sense statement you convinced me seriously to get the 3rd booster.

[Stu from NYC]

What a quote that was about raising money for defense against French and Indian attacks has to do with Covid, only a poster who dwells in another 'realm' would know!:shrug:

Probably the Twilight zone

[Vermilion Villager]

I've had both Moderna shots and both boosters. Now the is a third Booster available. This is the first time I'm not really sure about a Covid Vaccine. I want to ask what others here are thinking about it?

I received mine about a week ago. Same side effects as before.... Sore arm, kind of achy, slightly fatigued for about 8-10 hours. This was the first time I got the shot though with my flu vaccination. I usually get slight flu like symptoms for a few hours and that happened the next day. All better now! :a040::MOJE_whot:

[OrangeBlossomBaby]

I'll be getting my 4th Pfizer shot (3rd booster) in 2 weeks, along with my flu shot. I'd get them earlier but I'm a test subject for an RSV vaccine and was asked to wait at least 30 days from my most recent study shot (which was 2 weeks ago).

[Dotneko]

My doctor recommended that I have the third Moderna booster so I'll follow through on that. I didn't feel too bad after any of the four jabs so far and, fortunately, haven't had Covid.

Since many covid positives are asymptomatic, you may have had covid and not known it. My husband had no symptoms and tested positive. My only symptom was loss of taste for a day.

[coffeebean]

Only place I could find in The Villages was Walgreen's on 42. Appointment setup for next Monday. At this point Publix is not offering the updated booster for the Omnicon variant.

Hubby had the Moderna booster at the Winn Dixie in Lake Sumter Landing.

[coffeebean]

Not until updated version available
Isn't what is offered now as the third booster, the updated version?

[OrangeBlossomBaby]

Isn't what is offered now as the third booster, the updated version?

Yes, the newest version is now the current booster.

[coffeebean]

I think he did. Had the physician thought favorably of the booster he or she would most likely have recommended it.

There should be no guessing games when it comes to one's health options.

[OrangeBlossomBaby]

There should be no guessing games when it comes to one's health options.

There are always guessing games. Take the extreme situation: a cancer diagnosis.

There are lots of options. But the only outcome that can ever be guaranteed, is death. You can get surgery - but they miss some cells and it kills you anyway. You can go the chemo/radiation route - and it kills you anyway. You can do nothing, and it'll kill you. You can try diet, a change in location, change in lifestyle/exercise routine. You can try alt-meds. And you die anyway. Or you can do any of those things, and it works fine and you're cancer-free in a year. Until it comes back. Or doesn't.

That's just one diagnosis. Repeat for every other diagnosis, with equally perplexing outcomes, some of which include death, some which don't. Tooth decay - you can do nothing, and it doesn't get worse. Or it can cause an infection, and you do nothing, and it goes septic, and you die. Or it can resolve with just a cleaning and antibiotics. Or you might need a drill and fill. And it could work. Or it could - not work. Or it could get worse. Or the tooth could crack while they're trying to fix it, and you have to have it extracted.

Always options. And always a guessing game as to whether or not it'll work, be effective, whether or not you'll have any or all of the potential side effects, or whether or not what you picked was the wrong decision and you end up worse than when you started.

But that's what a good doctor is for. To have those difficult conversations - a two-way dialogue - with their patient and come up with the "most likely to succeed" option.

[HapEvillager]

We have scheduled our updated 3rd Moderna booster next week at Walgreens. Our PCP recommended it and said it will be yearly, like the flu vaccine. I am a retired RN and concur with the science and knowing I am permitted a high degree of protection. After two and a half years, the naysayers can do whatever.

[Garywt]

My doctor never had me get the second booster so guessing they won’t have me get the next one.

[jonathanb]

Never had it. Never will.

[Aviva]

Yes my husband and I just got the NEW BIVALENT COVID booster which targets the omicron varients as well. Both pfizer and moderna have the new bivalent vaccine. We went to CVS after booking appointments online. We definitely felt sluggish for about 48 hours but that was our only side effect. I have a handful of friends across the country who had their last booster not omicron specific 6+ month ago who have just contracted COVID. They will recover but it hit hard and ran through everyone they were in contact with. They have all been "shut in" very weak and sick. I am hoping this new Bivalent formula will protect me from getting very sick if I do get COVID.

[Dlpdo]

My granddaughter had Covid about a year ago, and a vaccination (required by her work) about six months back.

Last week she came down with Covid again, MUCH worse than the first time around.

Draw your own conclusions about this. I did.

Given that one persons experience is statistically insignificant no conclusions can be drawn about it.

[richardc1947]

The new booster addresses the latest strains of CoVid. My doc advised getting it in mid-November so that it provides the highest protection through the holidays when you are around the most people.

[donnbecky]

already got my 3rd booster. no problem with it

[vabkmb]

Only place I could find in The Villages was Walgreen's on 42. Appointment setup for next Monday. At this point Publix is not offering the updated booster for the Omnicon variant.
We got the Moderna booster for omicron at a Publix in Eustis this week.

[hal195z]

Me and the wife got our 3rd booster Sunday 9/18. Aside from a little upper arm soreness the 2nd night we had Zero side effects. These shots must be working since we know so many people that have got Covid19 but we have not. We are a little more cautious than most though and we are still wearing masks in crowded places. We are not too worried about our "Freedoms being infringed upon" and feel it's worth being safer than sorry! Call us just "Old Fashioned"!
Where did you get the Moderna booster?

[me4vt]

Me, I haven’t had the first Jab yet! GOD has set my time and place so no matter what I do, GODs got this;)

[coconutmama]

I've had both Moderna shots and both boosters. Now the is a third Booster available. This is the first time I'm not really sure about a Covid Vaccine. I want to ask what others here are thinking about it?

Already got it, along with flu shot. Has Omicron protection in it. Had no side effects at all.

[me4vt]

Amen!

[WingedFoot78]

For the wife and I, they already are.

[TrapX]

Omicron is WHO's generic name for a group of several variants, of which includes the BA-5 and BA-4.6 types. Those two account for 95% of all new infections this past week.
Someone commented about waiting for the omicron variant to be included in the newest vaccine. Not sure what they meant about that? Perhaps they mis-spoke because this 3rd booster does specifically targets that.
Look here for up to date statistics on infection rates broken down by variant version.
CDC COVID Data Tracker (https://covid.cdc.gov/covid-data-tracker/#variant-proportions)

[mkjelenbaas]

I've had both Moderna shots and both boosters. Now the is a third Booster available. This is the first time I'm not really sure about a Covid Vaccine. I want to ask what others here are thinking about it?
What did your doctor say say when you called?? Time to make a decision and NOT from info gathered here - do your own homework!

[oneclickplus]

Taking a vaccine that protects us from covid is not giving up liberty. I trust our doctors over random people posting on the internet with no medical education

Ummm - including the doctors that suggest alternative treatments for Covid?

[Worldseries27]

pfizer and moderna just love making this stuff and having the government buy it and sell it to you. Big profits and exempt from lawsuits. No need to disclose the side effects in advertising that is required in every other drug.
whats the alternative. Know a few people who said same thing to their eternal regret

[forebubba]

Me and the wife got our 3rd booster Sunday 9/18. Aside from a little upper arm soreness the 2nd night we had Zero side effects. These shots must be working since we know so many people that have got Covid19 but we have not. We are a little more cautious than most though and we are still wearing masks in crowded places. We are not too worried about our "Freedoms being infringed upon" and feel it's worth being safer than sorry! Call us just "Old Fashioned"!

Not old fashioned....SMART

[Gunny2403]

I've had both Moderna shots and both boosters. Now the is a third Booster available. This is the first time I'm not really sure about a Covid Vaccine. I want to ask what others here are thinking about it?
I started with the single J&J shot. Then, 2 Moderna boosters. Two weeks after the second booster I developed blood clots in my leg (DVT) and clots in my lungs (PE). Docs thinks the second booster did me in. NO MORE SHOTS for ME!

[Gunny2403]

Pfizer and Moderna just love making this stuff and having the government buy it and sell it to you. Big profits and exempt from lawsuits. No need to disclose the side effects in advertising that is required in every other drug.
Moderna booster caused my blood clots

[natalierp]

No shots no boosters natural immunity is always best.

[cj1040]

I've had both Moderna shots and both boosters. Now the is a third Booster available. This is the first time I'm not really sure about a Covid Vaccine. I want to ask what others here are thinking about it?

We had both covid shots, 2 boosters, went on a 12 day cruise from Honolulu to Papeete and got covid on the trip. Everyone had to show proof of vaccine and a negative test to board the ship BUT people were on unmasked planes, doing other sight seeing etc and mixing around on excursions. We were each quarantined for 5 to 6 days in our room, and not allowed to disembark in Papeete along with about 100 others who were still sick. The 12 day cruise turned into a 26 day adventure. We just got our third booster without hesitation. We have another cruise in Oct and New Zealand in January. Not worth having your trip spoiled so do everything to minimize the possibility.

[Trishakaye]

You’re lucky. I had intense reaction to 1st booster. Still having negative side effects. No more for me!

[MSGirl]

At this point, holding off until a few weeks before a higher risk gathering/event such as wedding or cruise.

So recently got a Pfizer booster because I'm going out of country in a few weeks. Arm was sore and energy down a few days after, similar to a flu vaccine.

For me the potential benefits outweigh the risks. YMMV

What are the benefits

[Trishakaye]

I started with the single J&J shot. Then, 2 Moderna boosters. Two weeks after the second booster I developed blood clots in my leg (DVT) and clots in my lungs (PE). Docs thinks the second booster did me in. NO MORE SHOTS for ME!

Still having serious side effects from 1st Moderna booster. It’s a hard pass for me also

[MidWestIA]

I had all moderna ( got omnicron 2 weeks after my 2nd booster) Pfizer booster protects against omnicron moderna did not change to do that


I've had both Moderna shots and both boosters. Now the is a third Booster available. This is the first time I'm not really sure about a Covid Vaccine. I want to ask what others here are thinking about it?

[Stu from NYC]

What are the benefits

Not dying from covid

[Stu from NYC]

No shots no boosters natural immunity is always best.

It is the best unless you do not have natural immunity. And other than getting the virus and overcoming it how do you get it? The answer is you do not have it.

[ThirdOfFive]

I started with the single J&J shot. Then, 2 Moderna boosters. Two weeks after the second booster I developed blood clots in my leg (DVT) and clots in my lungs (PE). Docs thinks the second booster did me in. NO MORE SHOTS for ME!
Not sure if it relates but...

A few weeks back I began reading on the internet of blood clots being caused by the COVID vaccine. It began in a curious way: I had been reading about some embalmers finding such clots in the veins of their "subjects"; clots of a never-before-seen kind, more like long earthworms. It is undeniable though that the J & J vaccine has been linked to blood clots; in fact the vaccine was paused for a time, as I understand it, for just this reason. It is available again but only, according to the CDC "in some situations", though it did not specify, as I read the article, just what those "situations" are. ("Overview of COVID 19 vaccines" August 24, 2022. CDC website)

Novant Health (online) had a good article on this dated June 22, 2022. This, quoted from the article: (Dr. Asif Wahid, Novant Health Cardiology)

"Can COVID-19 cause blood clots?

Yes. Research is currently underway to investigate how COVID can affect the blood. Some COVID patients have developed blood clots in multiple places throughout the body, and patients that have diabetes or high blood pressure are at a higher risk.

We believe this clotting is caused by increased levels of inflammation in the body. As a result, patients are at a higher risk for heart attack, stroke and organ damage.

In children, this condition is called multisystem inflammatory syndrome (MIS-C), and can damage the heart to such an extent that some children will need lifelong monitoring."

However in my more recent reading there does not appear to be any differentiation in just what type of vaccine is linked to the most recent kind of clots. There are, however, a plethora of articles on the 'net, both pro and con, that discusses this, with of course the usual amount of vitriol.

There will never be 100% agreement on any medical procedure or treatment. I understand that. Regarding COVID vaccines I've seen (for example) Dr. Smith, an eminently qualified virologist, throw his unqualified support behind the COVID vaccines while Dr. Jones, equally eminently qualified, as much as calls Dr. Smith an uninformed quack. However noble the original intent to inform may have been, the EFFECT is more often than not to generate clicks rather than to inform.

For myself, I am in excellent health despite the fact that my warranty expired near 5 years ago now and I've decided to rely on my health, activity level and positive outlook to get me through any COVID that comes my way, and not risk complications by getting a booster that in my opinion is not warranted. I've already had COVID once and that course of action seemed to work very well for me--not very sick at all. In any event, the very fact that information DOES exist linking COVID - 19 vaccines to clots boils this entire discussion down to a personal decision, and hopefully we can respect that in one another.

[Dotneko]

I had all moderna ( got omnicron 2 weeks after my 2nd booster) Pfizer booster protects against omnicron moderna did not change to do that
How do you know it was omicron? They didn't test variant for me.

[billethkid]

What are the benefits

Not going to the hospital.
Not being put on a ventilator.
Not being on a death bed ALONE seeing family on iphone.
Dying.

Which are all very meaningful for the 80+++ crowd.

To each their own beliefs/comforts.......no disparaging of others opinions needed/required!!!

[joelfmi]

I myself would need a lot more proof that these vaccines will not cause long term medical problems before I take any more vaccines. Its your body you have to make a responsible discission and live with it.

[OrangeBlossomBaby]

Me, I haven’t had the first Jab yet! GOD has set my time and place so no matter what I do, GODs got this;)

God gave Man the ability to become doctors and scientists. God gave Man skin that can endure the punctures of vaccine needles. God gave Man the intellect to understand that the spread of contagious disease and subsequent illness and death can be minimized.

God is helping you help yourself - just like it says in the bible. Maybe the reason you haven't gotten sick yet, is because God's been too busy helping people who help themselves, to notice that you're using His name in vain by blatantly ignoring all His gifts and then mocking him for it. Or maybe you were just lucky, and it has nothing to do with God at all.

[OrangeBlossomBaby]

No shots no boosters natural immunity is always best.

Yup, just ask Mary Mallon. She was infected with typhus and lived for 38 years without getting sick, til she finally died of pneumonia following a stroke, at age 69.

You might know her better as Typhoid Mary.

[OrangeBlossomBaby]

I myself would need a lot more proof that these vaccines will not cause long term medical problems before I take any more vaccines. Its your body you have to make a responsible discission and live with it.

I have proof that eating vegetables, fruits, grains, or meats of any kind will cause you to die before you turn 135 years old.

Good luck with requiring proof of a negative.

[chrissy2231]

I've had both Moderna shots and both boosters. Now the is a third Booster available. This is the first time I'm not really sure about a Covid Vaccine. I want to ask what others here are thinking about it?

I agree with Up North - Pfizer and Moderna just love making this stuff and having the government buy it and sell it to you. Big profits and exempt from lawsuits. No need to disclose the side effects in advertising that is required in every other drug. Here is ONE OF THE MANY UNREPORTED SIDE EFFECTS "COVID-19 infection may be associated with peripheral neuropathy in addition to various neurological sequelae."

[OrangeBlossomBaby]

I agree with Up North - Pfizer and Moderna just love making this stuff and having the government buy it and sell it to you. Big profits and exempt from lawsuits. No need to disclose the side effects in advertising that is required in every other drug. Here is ONE OF THE MANY UNREPORTED SIDE EFFECTS "COVID-19 infection may be associated with peripheral neuropathy in addition to various neurological sequelae."

Covid INFECTION may be associated with...your own quote (from who knows what source). According to your quote, that's a symptom of infection, not the vaccine. How do I know? Because I'm quoting YOU.

[Bill14564]

I agree with Up North - Pfizer and Moderna just love making this stuff and having the government buy it and sell it to you. Big profits and exempt from lawsuits. No need to disclose the side effects in advertising that is required in every other drug. Here is ONE OF THE MANY UNREPORTED SIDE EFFECTS "COVID-19 infection may be associated with peripheral neuropathy in addition to various neurological sequelae."

Did you notice that is a side effect of a COVID-19 infection and NOT a side effect of any vaccine? If anything, that side effect is an argument FOR getting vaccinated.

[dgleason348]

We are vaccinated and have had one booster. We are not getting anymore. If it is one shot every fall like the flu shot, then we probably will. We’ve both had Covid as have many of our family and friends that all got vaccinated and boosted! We were all born with natural immunity and after having Covid, your body has immunity though we don’t know how long it lasts. Varies per person.

[chrissy2231]

Covid INFECTION may be associated with...your own quote (from who knows what source). According to your quote, that's a symptom of infection, not the vaccine. How do I know? Because I'm quoting YOU.Vaccines don't prevent Covid. The majority of deaths when Covid was rampant were due to pre-existing conditions whether they had or had not gotten vaccinated. Sure, there were deaths w/o pre-existing conditions. For the first year, there was no TV news about CANCER. What does that say? Ponder it for yourself.

[chrissy2231]

Did you notice that is a side effect of a COVID-19 infection and NOT a side effect of any vaccine? If anything, that side effect is an argument FOR getting vaccinated.Vaccines don't prevent Covid. The majority of deaths when Covid was rampant were due to pre-existing conditions whether they had or had not gotten vaccinated. Sure, there were deaths w/o pre-existing conditions. For the first year, there was no TV news about CANCER. What does that say? Ponder it for yourself.
People I know from my group activities who were unvaccinated and got Covid said it is a bit worse than the flu.

[JMintzer]

Yay! Another Covid Vaccine argument!

Good thing we've never had one of these before...

Now, how many people are gonna' change their minds after reading these threads?

But please, everyone continue to "virtue signal" how great they are for making the decisions they've made...


Yawn...

[Bill14564]

Vaccines don't prevent Covid. The majority of deaths when Covid was rampant were due to pre-existing conditions whether they had or had not gotten vaccinated. Sure, there were deaths w/o pre-existing conditions. For the first year, there was no TV news about CANCER. What does that say? Ponder it for yourself.
People I know from my group activities who were unvaccinated and got Covid said it is a bit worse than the flu.

Well I guess if Dr. chrissy2231 and her extensive experience with people from her group activities says the vaccines don't work then I can ignore scientists and the real-world numbers. Thank you for opening my eyes.

EDIT (because I forgot): What does any of that have to do with the fact that the statement you provided as evidence of the side effects of the vaccine was actually informing of a possible side effect of the infection?

Also, what I am pondering is what you could possibly mean by "For the first year, there was no TV news about CANCER."

[Andyb]

Might be a good idea to do some research and not from governmental sources.

[chrissy2231]

Well I guess if Dr. chrissy2231 and her extensive experience with people from her group activities says the vaccines don't work then I can ignore scientists and the real-world numbers. Thank you for opening my eyes.

EDIT (because I forgot): What does any of that have to do with the fact that the statement you provided as evidence of the side effects of the vaccine was actually informing of a possible side effect of the infection?

Also, what I am pondering is what you could possibly mean by "For the first year, there was no TV news about CANCER."

Aw Shucks! No one else recognized I am the professional. Think back to Anthrax, that was TV news with little references to anything else.

I will make another post.

[chicksinger]

I've had both Moderna shots and both boosters. Now the is a third Booster available. This is the first time I'm not really sure about a Covid Vaccine. I want to ask what others here are thinking about it?

I'm in the same boat and not sure what i"m going to do either.

[chrissy2231]

I've had both Moderna shots and both boosters. Now the is a third Booster available. This is the first time I'm not really sure about a Covid Vaccine. I want to ask what others here are thinking about it? Don't know why I forgot this. A high functioning immune system is necessary to ward off illnesses. Our society does not function on "Self Esteem" or "The Soul." Negativity is what makes TV news and what's written in newspapers (except Daily Sun). If you want one of the keys to a high functioning immune system, read "Seat of the Soul" by Gary Zukav sold on Amazon. The web site is
seatofthesoul.com

[Geodyssey]

Pfizer and Moderna just love making this stuff and having the government buy it and sell it to you. Big profits and exempt from lawsuits. No need to disclose the side effects in advertising that is required in every other drug.


The Villages are the most pro-vaccine community in America!

[LynnMG]

Would never consider taking it or any other of those shots.

[Nucky]

This is a Forum to discuss so discuss. If you don’t like it get lost. Apply this post where necessary please! Carry on.

[Stu from NYC]

It is a shame that some of the people who have been killed by the virus are unable to give us their opinion on whether they should have taken the vaccine and booster.

[Altavia]

I myself would need a lot more proof that these vaccines will not cause long term medical problems before I take any more vaccines. Its your body you have to make a responsible discission and live with it.



There is proof COVID kills, causes: long term hospitalization, illness, blood clots, brain fog, micro strokes, long COVID, etc.

The vaccines reduce the risks, likelihood of infection and transmission to others ad well as the severity when infected.

Your choice to drive without seatbelts or not take a vaccine.

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[Footer]

I wonder if there was this much hostility to the polio vaccine when it came out. My mom had polio and I got the shot as soon as it was available.

I haven't had the flu since I was a kid but I get a shot every fall. I know it's only 50% effective or so but it's free.

I got the shingles vaccine, both the old and new one. My brother had shingles not long ago and was miserable for quite a while.

I got the Hepatitis A & B vaccine. Before COVID I traveled alot and my doctor recommended it.

I've had both pneumonia shots that supposedly give lifetime immunity to those over 65.

I've had the first 4 covid shots and I'll get the booster soon. It seems to help more people than it hurts.

Haven't been sick in years. Maybe it's luck. Maybe the vaccines help. I'll keep trusting the medical profession. I expect they know more than people who aren't in the business.

[sallym7777]

I've had both Moderna shots and both boosters. Now the is a third Booster available. This is the first time I'm not really sure about a Covid Vaccine. I want to ask what others here are thinking about it?

I was able to get the new COVID booster vaccine last week, which was my 5th shot overall, the 3rd booster. I had no side effects other than a tender vaccination site. We have continued to be on the more cautious side, but thankful that neither of us have had COVID that we know of. We will continue to do whatever is deemed safe, not just for us, but for all those we come in contact with as well. For what it's worth, my physician is recommending the updated booster for nearly all her patients, excluding a minimal few for whom it could be problematic.

[Spsmith444]

I've had both Moderna shots and both boosters. Now the is a third Booster available. This is the first time I'm not really sure about a Covid Vaccine. I want to ask what others here are thinking about it?

I’m confused, you have had 2 Moderna + 2 boosters? 4 jabs? And now considering a 5th in 2 years - yikes. I’ve had a total of 3 and not planning on anymore. Looking back they said if we all get 2 jabs all would be good.

[Stu from NYC]

I’m confused, you have had 2 Moderna + 2 boosters? 4 jabs? And now considering a 5th in 2 years - yikes. I’ve had a total of 3 and not planning on anymore. Looking back they said if we all get 2 jabs all would be good.

Looking back that is what they said but the virus decided to mutate into omricon and the new pfizer booster protects against it.

[maistocars]

a New Englander, boosters, say what? No surprise there.

[DARFAP]

You mean the one tested on eight mice? Good luck!

[Altavia]

You mean the one tested on eight mice? Good luck!

That's like saying, if they did crash testing on blue cars, you don't know how red cars will perform...

Safety and efficacy did not change significantly from the initial vaccine Phase I trials of 30 and then 300 people over two years ago. Nor in the 35,000 enrolled in Phase Iii trials. For both companies.

Same results for other varients recently tested in humans.

They changed the formulation match the currently active varients. Same as for flu vaccine.

[Stu from NYC]

That's like saying, if they did crash testing on blue cars, you don't know how red cars will perform...

Safety and efficacy did not change significantly from the initial vaccine Phase I trials of 30 and then 300 people over two years ago. Nor in the 35,000 enrolled in Phase Iii trials. For both companies.

Same results for other varients recently tested in humans.

They changed the formulation match the currently active varients. Same as for flu vaccine.

Thank you for posting, hoping you will change some minds

[paulajr]

I've had both Moderna shots and both boosters. Now the is a third Booster available. This is the first time I'm not really sure about a Covid Vaccine. I want to ask what others here are thinking about it?

Regret getting the first 3… done.

[ThirdOfFive]

There is proof COVID kills, causes: long term hospitalization, illness, blood clots, brain fog, micro strokes, long COVID, etc.

The vaccines reduce the risks, likelihood of infection and transmission to others ad well as the severity when infected.

Your choice to drive without seatbelts or not take a vaccine.

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My wife ran across a video online this morning; some insurance guy talking about the startling rise in mortality among millennials following the mass COVID vaccinations. He had run the numbers about life insurance payouts to that particular age group's beneficiaries and had found that it was something like 84% more than it should have been. I can't recall the exact time-period but it was for a period of some months from about mid-2021 into 2022.

The problem is (and unfortunately always will be) that the messenger will be (figuratively) killed so that the message will not be heard. (Note to the Thought Police: this point cuts both ways so hopefully this post will be seen as neutral politically). This particular story is being spread by The Epoch Times American Thought Leaders. That fact alone means that about half the population will immediately dismiss the story as contrived propaganda--about the same reaction, I suppose, that the other half would have if a story pushing glowing rather than scary reports were being spread by CNN or MSNBC.

This, I think, defines the problem with actual data relating to COVID, COVID vaccines or I suppose any other polarizing issue (aren't they all?). The source is considered before the data is thought through. We choose our side by choosing the data that best fits what we've already decided SHOULD be the case. We may lie to ourselves, at least to a point, by thinking that WE have thought things through whereas the other guys haven't, but unfortunately the other guys feel the same way about us.

COVID, bad as it is, is only a symptom of the REAL sickness that has paralyzed America.

We're light-years removed from the days of Uncle Walter as The Most Trusted Man in America.

[Stu from NYC]

My wife ran across a video online this morning; some insurance guy talking about the startling rise in mortality among millennials following the mass COVID vaccinations. He had run the numbers about life insurance payouts to that particular age group's beneficiaries and had found that it was something like 84% more than it should have been. I can't recall the exact time-period but it was for a period of some months from about mid-2021 into 2022.

The problem is (and unfortunately always will be) that the messenger will be (figuratively) killed so that the message will not be heard. (Note to the Thought Police: this point cuts both ways so hopefully this post will be seen as neutral politically). This particular story is being spread by The Epoch Times American Thought Leaders. That fact alone means that about half the population will immediately dismiss the story as contrived propaganda--about the same reaction, I suppose, that the other half would have if a story pushing glowing rather than scary reports were being spread by CNN or MSNBC.

This, I think, defines the problem with actual data relating to COVID, COVID vaccines or I suppose any other polarizing issue (aren't they all?). The source is considered before the data is thought through. We choose our side by choosing the data that best fits what we've already decided SHOULD be the case. We may lie to ourselves, at least to a point, by thinking that WE have thought things through whereas the other guys haven't, but unfortunately the other guys feel the same way about us.

COVID, bad as it is, is only a symptom of the REAL sickness that has paralyzed America.

We're light-years removed from the days of Uncle Walter as The Most Trusted Man in America.

Sorry do not buy it.

First of all how many of these "extra" deaths died from getting covid?

Second if this is true insurance companies would be raising rates substantially and this info would be all over the place.

[Bill14564]

Sorry do not buy it.

First of all how many of these "extra" deaths died from getting covid?

Second if this is true insurance companies would be raising rates substantially and this info would be all over the place.

Third: There are numerous articles about an unexpected increase in life insurance policies being sold to millennials. Apparently, the pandemic encouraged more of them to buy policies. If there actually *is* an increase in life insurance payouts is it due to an increase in deaths or is it due to an increase in the number of millennials with policies?

[PugMom]

I think he did. Had the physician thought favorably of the booster he or she would most likely have recommended it.

i agree. my doc & i talked about it sometime back. i told him how uneasy i was, & he said, don't sweat it; you're in good health, no diseases i know of, & said i do not have to have it if it causes me such distress. i've had no shots of any kind, NVR had a flu shot in my life, & am still alive. it is what it is- you need to make the decision for yourself. (btw: Dr. Rizzi from Creekside is my doc)

[OrangeBlossomBaby]

Regret getting the first 3… done.

Why's that? Did you die from the first three? Are you permanently disabled as a result of the first three?

I mean - considering the alternative - you had better odds of dying or being permanently disabled by NOT getting the shots, than you did of getting them.

[ThirdOfFive]

i agree. my doc & i talked about it sometime back. i told him how uneasy i was, & he said, don't sweat it; you're in good health, no diseases i know of, & said i do not have to have it if it causes me such distress. i've had no shots of any kind, NVR had a flu shot in my life, & am still alive. it is what it is- you need to make the decision for yourself. (btw: Dr. Rizzi from Creekside is my doc)
Bingo.

[OrangeBlossomBaby]

When the vaccine first became available, I wasn't eligible (not old enough yet, not disabled, not at risk). Eventually it was my turn to decide. I asked my doctor "are YOU vaccinated?" He said yes. That was good enough for me.

[Altavia]

i agree. my doc & i talked about it sometime back. i told him how uneasy i was, & he said, don't sweat it; you're in good health, no diseases i know of, & said i do not have to have it if it causes me such distress. i've had no shots of any kind, NVR had a flu shot in my life, & am still alive. it is what it is- you need to make the decision for yourself. (btw: Dr. Rizzi from Creekside is my doc)

Your choice and I respect that.

Being vaccinated, I'm personally more concerned about long COVID at this point after seeing several friends suffer for months of headaches, brain fog, loss of energy and now heart inflammation.

These are healthy, active people who can no longer do what they like to do months later.

And their symptoms have gotten worse after a second infection.

[chrissy2231]

i agree. my doc & i talked about it sometime back. i told him how uneasy i was, & he said, don't sweat it; you're in good health, no diseases i know of, & said i do not have to have it if it causes me such distress. i've had no shots of any kind, NVR had a flu shot in my life, & am still alive. it is what it is- you need to make the decision for yourself. (btw: Dr. Rizzi from Creekside is my doc)

Milder is loss of taste. I know someone who had it 3 times. I regret having had the 2 shots and now not knowing long-term effects.
Haven't had the flu since age 21 & never vaccinated.

Like I said in a previous post, the immune system needs to be boosted. That's the most important thing. AND, right along with that is stable emotional health. The vast majority of Americans don't have either, and they don't work at improving their lives.

The New Age is coming (not in our lifetimes); visit seatofthesoul.com
Read "Seat of the Soul" by Gary Zukav
Life changing and filled with light bulb moments.

[Byte1]

When the vaccine first became available, I wasn't eligible (not old enough yet, not disabled, not at risk). Eventually it was my turn to decide. I asked my doctor "are YOU vaccinated?" He said yes. That was good enough for me.

And we all know that doctors are NEVER wrong.....:o:a20:
Some of my favorite people are doctors, and I have a lot of respect for them. I think that I would have asked the doctor to qualify his reasoning a bit more than just a "yes" or "no" answer. He may have had specific reasons to get vaccinated, unrelated to your situation. I am not saying that I disagree with you. Seems like there were a lot of medical professionals that refused the vaccination. Might be interesting to know WHY they refused. I only got my original shots hoping that I would be protecting my spouse. Since I now know that the shots do not prevent infection (which they suggested in the beginning) and since we have both survived infection twice with minor symptoms, we have decided not to subscribe to the booster shots. That's just us. I am in no way suggesting anyone else make that decision.

[ThirdOfFive]

When the vaccine first became available, I wasn't eligible (not old enough yet, not disabled, not at risk). Eventually it was my turn to decide. I asked my doctor "are YOU vaccinated?" He said yes. That was good enough for me.
Many workplaces demanded that workers be vaccinated as a condition of continuing to work. My granddaughter was one such. She got the vaccine about six months AFTER she had COVID, but rather than lose her job she elected to get the shot. As I would have.

Just a few weeks ago she again came down with COVID...much worse than the first bout.

Just because someone gets the shot doesn't necessarily mean they agree that it is the best option (health-wise) available.

[retiredguy123]

I got my third Moderna booster yesterday at Publix, 5 shots so far. I understand that it protects against the Omicron variant, which accounts for most of the new Covid cases. As far as I know, I have never had Covid.

My arm is sore.

[JMintzer]

Thank you for posting, hoping you will change some minds

:1rotfl::1rotfl::1rotfl:

[Stu from NYC]

:1rotfl::1rotfl::1rotfl:

Thought I would hope

[Boston-Sean]

Thank you for posting, hoping you will change some minds

Why does it matter if someone changes their mind?

None of the vaccines stop infection or transmission so what business is it of yours if someone gets a shot or not?

[New Englander]

a New Englander, boosters, say what? No surprise there.

:confused:

[Taurus510]

Sorry do not buy it.

First of all how many of these "extra" deaths died from getting covid?

Second if this is true insurance companies would be raising rates substantially and this info would be all over the place.

Am, (was), in the insurance business. And yes, my old contacts are telling me that life insurance rates are going to be rising in the near future due to the large increase in payouts.
So you’ll have that proof very soon if you have life insurance.

[Taurus510]

Sorry do not buy it.

First of all how many of these "extra" deaths died from getting covid?

Second if this is true insurance companies would be raising rates substantially and this info would be all over the place.

Google “leading cause of death in Alberta, Canada”. A place where vaccination enforcement was forced heavily. I’m making no statements as to the cause for the leading cause of death, just pointing it out.

[BayLady57]

Why's that? Did you die from the first three? Are you permanently disabled as a result of the first three?

I mean - considering the alternative - you had better odds of dying or being permanently disabled by NOT getting the shots, than you did of getting them.

I have to disagree with your last statement. I am a now retired R.N. and at the onset of the pandemic and 3 months into it I was detailed by the healthcare facility I worked at to be the triage nurse in their covid clinic. Not only was there no covid immunization available at that time, appropriate PPE was scarce. As hard as it may be to believe I was issued one flimsy surgical mask to wear for a week before I was issued a new one. Despite my high exposure to covid + patients and minimal PPE during that time I never contracted the virus. Throughout my long nursing career I received all necessary immunizations recommended by my employee health department, but after having an immediate pretty bad reaction following receiving the H1N1 immunization several years back at work that landed me in the ER I stopped with the agreement of my PCP getting annual flu shots. I had no issue getting the covid immunization when it became available to me despite having some risk having had a reaction to the H1N1, but before I went forward and took it like I do with any medication I am prescribed or consider taking OTC I did a good deal of research from many sources on contraindications especially since I have multiple drug allergies. In discovering through my own research the potential for the development for blood clots was a contraindication with the covid immunizations this was a major concern for me. In 2017 I developed what my neuro ophthalmologist believes was a micro vascular blood clot that occluded the blood flow to my optic nerve which left me permanently 95+% blind in my left eye. In having the discussion with my neuro ophthalmologist along with my PCP and several former physician colleagues that I highly respect, they all agreed anything that could potentiate the development of another blood clot that could render me totally blind I should refrain from. Opting out was not an easy decision for me to make but it was ultimately my own because none of the physicians I consulted with has a crystal ball that would tell me a definitive outcome of opting in or out would be for me. And I chose to opt out because life is difficult enough with the vision loss I have, and if I can reduce the risks that could render me totally blind I am going to do that. And in making the decision to opt out I also decided to retire to reduce my risk for contracting covid by getting me out of the high exposure environment I worked in and these days I live my life very cautiously. The decision you made to get the covid immunization/s hopefully will continue to deliver you the protection that you believe it has and will continue to have. But there are those of us where making the decision to opt in or out was much harder to make as we have health issues you don't have that getting the immunization poses an equally high risk for disability and death as contracting the virus does. So opting out for us is as equally valid as opting in was for you. I have never contracted covid but neither has my husband who has received two immunizations which I encouraged him to get because he has COPD. And why this is so remains a mystery to us since both were antibody tested several times and both testing results came back negative meaning neither had an asymptomatic case of covid that resulted in developing some natural immunity. I wish you continued positive outcomes with the decisions you make with regards to your own health, but p!ease understand the decisions you make for you may not produce the same positive outcomes for someone else that has health issues you don't have that need to be factored into their decision making process.

[coffeebean]

Me, I haven’t had the first Jab yet! GOD has set my time and place so no matter what I do, GODs got this;)

Just wondering........do ALL Gods got this or just yours?

[coffeebean]

No shots no boosters natural immunity is always best.

Natural immunity to Covid occurs after you have had the virus. Some people didn't survive the virus so had no "natural immunity" to speak of. They are dead.

[coffeebean]

What are the benefits

Is avoiding death a benefit? I think so.

[coffeebean]

I had all moderna ( got omnicron 2 weeks after my 2nd booster) Pfizer booster protects against omnicron moderna did not change to do that

Not according this this article........

New Omicron boosters available from Pfizer and Moderna with Sandra Fryhofer, MD | AMA Update Video | AMA (https://www.ama-assn.org/delivering-care/public-health/new-omicron-boosters-available-pfizer-and-moderna-sandra-fryhofer-md)

[coffeebean]

How do you know it was omicron? They didn't test variant for me.

I did a home test when I got off a cruise ship and had very minor symptoms. I assumed it was Omicron when I tested positive. That is the variant that is primarily circulating through the population. When 98% of cases are Omicron, it's a pretty good bet that I had Omicron.

[coffeebean]

Not going to the hospital.
Not being put on a ventilator.
Not being on a death bed ALONE seeing family on iphone.
Dying.

Which are all very meaningful for the 80+++ crowd.

To each their own beliefs/comforts.......no disparaging of others opinions needed/required!!!

All are very meaningful for the 70+++ crowd too.

[coffeebean]

covid infection may be associated with...your own quote (from who knows what source). According to your quote, that's a symptom of infection, not the vaccine. How do i know? Because i'm quoting you.

lmao.

[coffeebean]

Vaccines don't prevent Covid. The majority of deaths when Covid was rampant were due to pre-existing conditions whether they had or had not gotten vaccinated. Sure, there were deaths w/o pre-existing conditions. For the first year, there was no TV news about CANCER. What does that say? Ponder it for yourself.

Here we go. Round and round and round and round again............

Many of those folks with pre-existing conditions may still be alive today IF they did not contract Covid-19. In fact, chances are very good they would still be alive today. Covid was their death sentence. That was pre-vaccine that I'm referring to.

[coffeebean]

Might be a good idea to do some research and not from governmental sources.

Much much better to get your information from those right or left wing conspiracy sites. LOL.

[OrangeBlossomBaby]

And we all know that doctors are NEVER wrong.....:o:a20:
Some of my favorite people are doctors, and I have a lot of respect for them. I think that I would have asked the doctor to qualify his reasoning a bit more than just a "yes" or "no" answer. He may have had specific reasons to get vaccinated, unrelated to your situation. I am not saying that I disagree with you. Seems like there were a lot of medical professionals that refused the vaccination. Might be interesting to know WHY they refused. I only got my original shots hoping that I would be protecting my spouse. Since I now know that the shots do not prevent infection (which they suggested in the beginning) and since we have both survived infection twice with minor symptoms, we have decided not to subscribe to the booster shots. That's just us. I am in no way suggesting anyone else make that decision.

The point, is that he's a) a doctor who is more likely to actually KNOW whether it's safe enough to take than someone who isn't a doctor, b) he was willing to be vaccinated, c) he felt safe enough to be a doctor who spends hours every day getting "up close and personal" with dozens of people who might or might not already be infected and contagious, d) he felt secure enough to know that his being vaccinated meant he reduced the risk of getting one of his own patients infected, and e) he was still alive and well and healthy enough to be my doctor at my appointment.

[coffeebean]

I’m confused, you have had 2 Moderna + 2 boosters? 4 jabs? And now considering a 5th in 2 years - yikes. I’ve had a total of 3 and not planning on anymore. Looking back they said if we all get 2 jabs all would be good.

Now you got me thinking. I've had the original two shot series of the Moderna vaccine. Then I've had two booster shots for a total of 4 shots. I'm waiting until December to have my third booster because I've had Covid recently. That will be a total of five shots. I'm good with that.

[coffeebean]

Looking back that is what they said but the virus decided to mutate into omricon and the new pfizer booster protects against it.

So does the new Moderna booster protect against Omicron. I linked an article about the two manufacturers' boosters. In case you didn't see it, here it is again..........

New Omicron boosters available from Pfizer and Moderna with Sandra Fryhofer, MD | AMA Update Video | AMA (https://www.ama-assn.org/delivering-care/public-health/new-omicron-boosters-available-pfizer-and-moderna-sandra-fryhofer-md)

[coffeebean]

You mean the one tested on eight mice? Good luck!

All eight mice survived. Right?

[coffeebean]

My wife ran across a video online this morning; some insurance guy talking about the startling rise in mortality among millennials following the mass COVID vaccinations. He had run the numbers about life insurance payouts to that particular age group's beneficiaries and had found that it was something like 84% more than it should have been. I can't recall the exact time-period but it was for a period of some months from about mid-2021 into 2022.

The problem is (and unfortunately always will be) that the messenger will be (figuratively) killed so that the message will not be heard. (Note to the Thought Police: this point cuts both ways so hopefully this post will be seen as neutral politically). This particular story is being spread by The Epoch Times American Thought Leaders. That fact alone means that about half the population will immediately dismiss the story as contrived propaganda--about the same reaction, I suppose, that the other half would have if a story pushing glowing rather than scary reports were being spread by CNN or MSNBC.

This, I think, defines the problem with actual data relating to COVID, COVID vaccines or I suppose any other polarizing issue (aren't they all?). The source is considered before the data is thought through. We choose our side by choosing the data that best fits what we've already decided SHOULD be the case. We may lie to ourselves, at least to a point, by thinking that WE have thought things through whereas the other guys haven't, but unfortunately the other guys feel the same way about us.

COVID, bad as it is, is only a symptom of the REAL sickness that has paralyzed America.

We're light-years removed from the days of Uncle Walter as The Most Trusted Man in America.

Epoch Times is not a reliable source. See it here..........

The Epoch Times Bias and Reliability | Ad Fontes Media (https://adfontesmedia.com/epoch-times-bias-and-reliability/)

[coffeebean]

When the vaccine first became available, I wasn't eligible (not old enough yet, not disabled, not at risk). Eventually it was my turn to decide. I asked my doctor "are YOU vaccinated?" He said yes. That was good enough for me.

Your doctor is a smart person. Not all doctors are that smart.

[OrangeBlossomBaby]

Your doctor is a smart person. Not all doctors are that smart.

I don't believe that doctors at The Villages Health were ever required to be vaccinated against COVID. But this was earlier on during the Pandemic after the first shot came out and was only available to seniors, medical professionals, and I believe first responders as well at that point. So it still wasn't mandatory. But my doctor got it anyway, because he felt this was the most appropriate thing to do. No side effects, no problems with it other than a sore arm for him, he's in his late 50's I believe so technically also a senior.

I'll trust my in-person up-close doctor who has my medical records and literally knows me inside and out. over Dr. Google or Dr. Youtube or Dr. Researchgate.

[ThirdOfFive]

Epoch Times is not a reliable source. See it here..........

The Epoch Times Bias and Reliability | Ad Fontes Media (https://adfontesmedia.com/epoch-times-bias-and-reliability/)
Precisely the point of the post. Lazy person's "logic". MUCH easier to kill the messenger than to try to refute the message.

The precise same "approach" is used when someone disses CNN or MSNBC as "not reliable".

In neither case is the MESSAGE being considered.

[JMintzer]

Here we go. Round and round and round and round again............

Many of those folks with pre-existing conditions may still be alive today IF they did not contract Covid-19. In fact, chances are very good they would still be alive today. Covid was their death sentence. That was pre-vaccine that I'm referring to.

"May"? Chances are"? (great Johnny Mathis song, but a lousy diagnostic tool...)

Catching the Flu could have had the same results...

"Here we go. Round and round and round and round again............"

Here's an idea... Stop arguing about it...

I wonder where the "post counter guy" is on this thread...

[Boston-Sean]

Now you got me thinking. I've had the original two shot series of the Moderna vaccine. Then I've had two booster shots for a total of 4 shots. I'm waiting until December to have my third booster because I've had Covid recently. That will be a total of five shots. I'm good with that.

Stopping at only 5 shots????

Damn anti-vaxxers.

[B-flat]

Short answer No. Long answer hell no.

Ditto with a capital D!!! Some folks need to read Robert F. Kennedy Jr. book “ The Real Anthony Fauci, Gates and Big Pharma.” It’s intense reading more like a textbook but the first 50 pages is all you really need to understand what this is all about. You won’t see in on NBC, CBS, CNN, ABC etc. either.

[Bill14564]

Precisely the point of the post. Lazy person's "logic". MUCH easier to kill the messenger than to try to refute the message.

The precise same "approach" is used when someone disses CNN or MSNBC as "not reliable".

In neither case is the MESSAGE being considered.

By that logic I'm too lazy to refute flat-earthers and psychics too. I can live with that.

[coffeebean]

Stopping at only 5 shots????

Damn anti-vaxxers.

I didn't say I was stopping at 5 shots. I was just counting up the total I will have by December. From what I have been reading about these vaccines, they will be given annually, like the flu shot.

[coffeebean]

Ditto with a capital D!!! Some folks need to read Robert F. Kennedy Jr. book “ The Real Anthony Fauci, Gates and Big Pharma.” It’s intense reading more like a textbook but the first 50 pages is all you really need to understand what this is all about. You won’t see in on NBC, CBS, CNN, ABC etc. either.

Robert F. Kennedy is a notorious anti-vaxxer. I have no inclination to read his bunk.

[Pairadocs]

Haven't had a booster yet. Wow, I'm still alive! At this point in my life, I'm not interested until my doctor tells me that I MUST get one. Of course, I only see a doctor once per year for my yearly physical. He still asks me if i want a flu shot and shrugs when I ask him if I really need it. Never had the flu and haven't had a flu shot in the last fifty years. Had covid but it was no more vicious than a mild cold. I'm glad everyone else gets their shots, so they can live forever. You do live forever when you get your booster, right? Just me being facetious. I am neither for nor against covid boosters and will not try to convince anyone to forego getting their vaccinations. Me? At this time, I am not getting any boosters. I had my original two shots and no boosters. I'm healthy and well past my expiration date so if I croak from covid, I've lived a great life so C'est la vie. Not planning to wear a face mask anymore either, UNLESS I have to visit a hospital and they require it. Living dangerously? Hey, I wear a seat belt when I drive and a helmet when I ride my motorbike. :thumbup:

Good for you. So there actually is a rational thinker left in this world ! Seems the more people are boosted, the more times they get it. Then they tell you they would be dead, having had it 3 times, if not for their boosters. Makes about as much sense as microbes being trapped in common food handler masks and masks made of cute quilting fabrics. But these things seem to keep people from panicking, makes them feel safe and protected, like carrying a rabbit's foot on a key chain. And that is a good thing, anything to calm the masses is a positive; it's an old psychological principle and it works. `

[Bill14564]

Good for you. So there actually is a rational thinker left in this world ! Seems the more people are boosted, the more times they get it. Then they tell you they would be dead, having had it 3 times, if not for their boosters. Makes about as much sense as microbes being trapped in common food handler masks and masks made of cute quilting fabrics. But these things seem to keep people from panicking, makes them feel safe and protected, like carrying a rabbit's foot on a key chain. And that is a good thing, anything to calm the masses is a positive; it's an old psychological principle and it works. `

The quote above was in response to a post that mentioned seat belts and motorcycle helmets. I found that interesting since nearly the same wording could be used in regards to both of those.

Seems the more people wear belts/helmets the more they seem to be injured. Then they tell you they would be dead, having been in several accidents, were it not for their belts/helmets.

Not a strong argument against belts/helmets and likewise, not a strong argument against vaccinations.

But hey, keep up the fight to cast doubt on the vaccines; although with 400 deaths every day there are fewer and fewer left to hear the message.

[jimjamuser]

Not until updated version available
The 3rd booster, which is called the bi-valent Omicron booster has been available for months. Deaths are up in Brevard County. !st time in a while. Winter season is here and people up north will be indoors in groups more and it can spread to Florida. People over 65 should not take chances.

[jimjamuser]

What are the benefits
Basically, it is an avoidance of DEATH.

[jimjamuser]

Just want to volunteer a new issue to this discussion. Russia has a whole army of hackers whose objective is to sow uncertainty and chaos in all the western countries, especially the US of A. So logically speaking, Covid is a NEW disease with a worldwide influence and NEW vaccines. If I were a Russian hacker, I would think that since nothing is perfect, then the vaccines are NOT going to be perfect - so, it is a perfect vehicle to inject some uncertainty into the WEST.

Easy to do., Just find a Doctor somewhere that does NOT believe in vaccines and build up his reputation and TWEET it out. Find examples in the US where people got sick (or think that they got sick) after getting the vaccine. After enough TWEETS like that, the dark web will pick up the story and run with it. Then some regular radio and TV stations will mention the possibility of side effects or long-term effects.

Any vaccine can have legitimate side effects, usually small in number. What I am saying is that there are HUGE rewards for the darker forces in the world to try to exploit this and GREATLY exaggerate the side effects!

[Velvet]

God gave Man the ability to become doctors and scientists. God gave Man skin that can endure the punctures of vaccine needles. God gave Man the intellect to understand that the spread of contagious disease and subsequent illness and death can be minimized.

God is helping you help yourself - just like it says in the bible. Maybe the reason you haven't gotten sick yet, is because God's been too busy helping people who help themselves, to notice that you're using His name in vain by blatantly ignoring all His gifts and then mocking him for it. Or maybe you were just lucky, and it has nothing to do with God at all.
OBB, that is an amazing post.
I am so glad you seem well, I hope so is your sister.

[jimjamuser]

Well I guess if Dr. chrissy2231 and her extensive experience with people from her group activities says the vaccines don't work then I can ignore scientists and the real-world numbers. Thank you for opening my eyes.

EDIT (because I forgot): What does any of that have to do with the fact that the statement you provided as evidence of the side effects of the vaccine was actually informing of a possible side effect of the infection?

Also, what I am pondering is what you could possibly mean by "For the first year, there was no TV news about CANCER."
I imagine that cancer was around before TV.
P.S. I VAGUELY remember that there was a question that scientists had about whether or not ancient man had cancers. I don't know the answer or any of the details. I just pose this question to the experts.

[jimjamuser]

Might be a good idea to do some research and not from governmental sources.
Prior to about 1970 government was the only source of funds for original reseach. Today, that money has dried up and big corporations do most of the original research with Universities doing some. Then China steals research from the corporations.

[jimjamuser]

I’m confused, you have had 2 Moderna + 2 boosters? 4 jabs? And now considering a 5th in 2 years - yikes. I’ve had a total of 3 and not planning on anymore. Looking back they said if we all get 2 jabs all would be good.
I think of the word jab as useful for describing the short punch that pro boxers often throw.

[jimjamuser]

Precisely the point of the post. Lazy person's "logic". MUCH easier to kill the messenger than to try to refute the message.

The precise same "approach" is used when someone disses CNN or MSNBC as "not reliable".

In neither case is the MESSAGE being considered.
Of the 2, I consider the source more important than the message. Sources have a track record that I can confirm. But, I can't confirm various messages.

[Byte1]

A recent study is interesting. Apparently, there is an 85% increased chance of heart attack within 28 days of getting the second covid shot for those 18 to 38 years old. I guess they are safe after 28 days?
Anyway, I also find it interesting to note that the majority of those catching covid right now, have had their vaccination and boosters. Not trying in any way to discourage the vaccination. Just continuing the conversations with some thoughts that I find interesting. You see, I have children, grandchildren and great grandchildren. One of my adult kids has had all their shots, including boosters and it waiting in line for the next booster. That one has had covid twice. All my other kids have not been vaccinated for covid because they reason that they caught covid and survived before the vaccinations were available to them.

[Whitley]

I've had both Moderna shots and both boosters. Now the is a third Booster available. This is the first time I'm not really sure about a Covid Vaccine. I want to ask what others here are thinking about it?

I am going to pass. Talks with my oncologist,watching the reports by Dr John Campbell, and listening to the EU's board discussion about Pfizer and its lack of transparency have left me "unconvinced" that the benefit/risk analysis would show it to be worth it "for me". You need to decide for yourself. Of course censorship has made it difficult to get the data we would like as we make this decission.

[Whitley]

Natural immunity to Covid occurs after you have had the virus. Some people didn't survive the virus so had no "natural immunity" to speak of. They are dead.

Some people take another's decision not to get the booster as a personal affront to their thinking. If someone feels the risk/benefit makes it worth taking the ongoing jabs, then go for it. Not sure why anyone would get so worked up by another persons decision not to.

[Whitley]

Much much better to get your information from those right or left wing conspiracy sites. LOL.

And you believe government sites are not left or right wing? Interesting.

[Whitley]

I think of the word jab as useful for describing the short punch that pro boxers often throw.

If you use the v word on sites you can be banned. So much for transparency.

[Whitley]

I didn't say I was stopping at 5 shots. I was just counting up the total I will have by December. From what I have been reading about these vaccines, they will be given annually, like the flu shot.

What exactly is it that these boosters are said to do? Am I correct that they do not stop the spread, they do not prevent you from getting covid, but they claim that should you get covid the symptoms should be less severe. Is that correct?

[Whitley]

Your choice and I respect that.

Being vaccinated, I'm personally more concerned about long COVID at this point after seeing several friends suffer for months of headaches, brain fog, loss of energy and now heart inflammation.

These are healthy, active people who can no longer do what they like to do months later.

And their symptoms have gotten worse after a second infection.

Were they not vaccinated and boosted they would have very very long covid. See, the vaccine works.

[Bill14564]

What exactly is it that these boosters are said to do? Am I correct that they do not stop the spread, they do not prevent you from getting covid, but they claim that should you get covid the symptoms should be less severe. Is that correct?

Nothing is perfect. The vaccine will help stop the spread. The vaccine will help prevent you from getting covid. If you get covid, the vaccines will help make the symptoms less severe and reduce death.

A large number of people can say they have had covid more than once; the majority of those people are vaccinated. A large number of people have died from covid; the majority of those people were unvaccinated. I have chosen the group I want to belong to.

[Byte1]

Vaccinations are great, mandates not so much.
How can we be confident in our gov. when they have not even been honest with us about the origin of the virus? I find it interesting that taxpayer money went to China for "gain-of-function" study? I get the idea from how quiet they have kept our involvement, that the virus originated in the U.S. of A. I certainly hope that we are not culprits in this pandemic, BUT......the more I read about it, the more I see America's hands involved. It's amazing how fast we developed a vaccine too.
Sorry, I just have a suspicious nature.
I personally do not know anyone that has died from the vaccination or boosters. Then again, the only ones that I personally know that died WITH Covid were in the hospital for something else at the time and passed while being treated for a different issue than Covid. It was determined that they tested positive for Covid. So, the only issues I have heard of from friends and family were from the shots itself. A few sore arms and a few that feel lasting effects from the shots. One having a sore arm months after receiving the shot.
Everyone that I know has had Covid at least once. None of them have died FROM Covid (two WITH Covid). I have seen no difference in the symptoms being different in either group in my family and friends that have had the vaccinations or those that did not get vaccinated. Just saying, not proving anything.
I do believe in vaccinations. I am not anti-vaxx. My concern is whether or not they will ever eradicate this blight.

[Altavia]

A recent study is interesting. Apparently, there is an 85% increased chance of heart attack within 28 days of getting the second covid shot for those 18 to 38 years old.




COVID causes significantly higher risk of heart disease than the vaccines. More and more studies like this are being published

Heart-disease risk soars after COVID — even with a mild case (https://www.nature.com/articles/d41586-022-00403-0)

Heart-disease risk soars after COVID — even with a mild case

Massive study shows a long-term, substantial rise in risk of cardiovascular disease, including heart attack and stroke, after a SARS-CoV-2 infection.

Google COVID stroke for more info.

[Whitley]

And now there is a new wave of covid, not to mention the gain of function we did in Massachusetts where a new covid strain with 80% fatality was created. Not exactly sure why such a thing was created, but Fauci would have stopped it if it was bad for us. With all of this happening, fewer and fewer people are wearing masks these days. This site likes to talk about dogs, well some of them are smarter than people. I saw one wearing a mask yesterday by LSL (it could have been a muzzle but in these times, it was probably a mask). Some here could learn a thing or two from our four legged friends. And speaking of mice, we owe those four brave mice that Pfizer tested the vaccine on a debt of gratitude. Having brought up the topic of people under 50, how selfish are they. I did not work hard all my life so I could get a case of covid from some selfish millennial who refuses to stay home and isolate, not work and isolate. These years are mine, I worked for them. If we need to pay people another 7,200 to stay home and not earn a living for another two years so we can flatten the curve, then we should do it. It adds up to a couple of fewer tanks to Ukraine. We seniors worked hard all of our lives so we can enjoy this time. It is OUR time, and I will NOT share it with some inconsiderate olgre. Talk about selfish.

[Michael 61]

Got vax’d and first booster. No more boosters for me, my doctor is questioning them as well.

[Whitley]

Got vax’d and first booster. No more boosters for me, my doctor is questioning them as well.


You need to find a new doctor. Yours cannot even follow directives. He was not supposed to question them out loud. We should have some way to know who received 2, 3, 4, or 5 vaccines. Maybe put a colorful item on our golf carts. White means you have resisted getting the jab. Happy being a walking petri dish. Blue, only got the first of the set. May go back for more, may not. Yellow, half and half. You really want to get stuck multiple times, but are nervous, so you wait. Hang out at CVS and watch others get the vaccine, you would hang a purple something from your cart. Pink if you will only get the shot if others watch. Why get it if you cant use it to show how much you care. #science. Black, you'd be the crazy man of covid. Take every shot imaginable while sharing cigarettes with covid patients.

[Byte1]

You need to find a new doctor. Yours cannot even follow directives. He was not supposed to question them out loud. We should have some way to know who received 2, 3, 4, or 5 vaccines. Maybe put a colorful item on our golf carts. White means you have resisted getting the jab. Happy being a walking petri dish. Blue, only got the first of the set. May go back for more, may not. Yellow, half and half. You really want to get stuck multiple times, but are nervous, so you wait. Hang out at CVS and watch others get the vaccine, you would hang a purple something from your cart. Pink if you will only get the shot if others watch. Why get it if you cant use it to show how much you care. #science. Black, you'd be the crazy man of covid. Take every shot imaginable while sharing cigarettes with covid patients.

Hmmm, looks like someone is in the wrong country. Should we maybe put a large yellow star on their breast pocket so that everyone will know they did not conform? Last I heard was that there is NO vaccination mandate. Whether or not someone has had their boosters or not is no one else's business. Unless someone is walking around in public, knowing they are infected they have the same rights as those that are vaccinated. If they are ill than they should stay home, just as they should if they have the Flu.

[Whitley]

Hmmm, looks like someone is in the wrong country. Should we maybe put a large yellow star on their breast pocket so that everyone will know they did not conform? Last I heard was that there is NO vaccination mandate. Whether or not someone has had their boosters or not is no one else's business. Unless someone is walking around in public, knowing they are infected they have the same rights as those that are vaccinated. If they are ill than they should stay home, just as they should if they have the Flu.

This is an unprecedented (#unprecedented) pandemic (#science). A covid vaccine should be required to do anything. Remember when we had to have our food left at the curb for us to hook as we drove by, never coming near another human (#cellaronions). I do not want to go back to this. The worse can be coming, and people have the nerve to just go about living. My nephew testy has very very long covid. If he only knew who to stay away from. Feeling down after booster (the cat) disappeared for a while he snuck out from the attic and caught it.

[Aces4]

This is an unprecedented (#unprecedented) pandemic (#science). A covid vaccine should be required to do anything. Remember when we had to have our food left at the curb for us to hook as we drove by, never coming near another human (#cellaronions). I do not want to go back to this. The worse can be coming, and people have the nerve to just go about living. My nephew testy has very very long covid. If he only knew who to stay away from. Feeling down after booster (the cat) disappeared for a while he snuck out from the attic and caught it.


I’m amazed by the booster angst. Don’t people realize we have much larger threats looming over our heads at this point in time?

[jimjamuser]

What exactly is it that these boosters are said to do? Am I correct that they do not stop the spread, they do not prevent you from getting covid, but they claim that should you get covid the symptoms should be less severe. Is that correct?
It is pretty common knowledge that if you have gotten all 5 of your shots that if you do get Covid that your symptoms will be MUCH less severe. And yes, it does decrease the spread. I say all 5 of your shots because I don't like the terminology shots and boosters. It makes it seem like boosters are more incidental and NOT as important as the initial 2 shots. And eventually, - there will be a 6th shot and then a 7th. If 95% of all US people had gotten all of their shots, then Covid would be a thing of the past - as it is people are still dying from it (mostly the unvaccinated) and it is likely to increase this winter.

[Stu from NYC]

It is pretty common knowledge that if you have gotten all 5 of your shots that if you do get Covid that your symptoms will be MUCH less severe. And yes, it does decrease the spread. I say all 5 of your shots because I don't like the terminology shots and boosters. It makes it seem like boosters are more incidental and NOT as important as the initial 2 shots. And eventually, - there will be a 6th shot and then a 7th. If 95% of all US people had gotten all of their shots, then Covid would be a thing of the past - as it is people are still dying from it (mostly the unvaccinated) and it is likely to increase this winter.

Wow who would have thought I would agree with one of your posts.

[jimjamuser]

Hmmm, looks like someone is in the wrong country. Should we maybe put a large yellow star on their breast pocket so that everyone will know they did not conform? Last I heard was that there is NO vaccination mandate. Whether or not someone has had their boosters or not is no one else's business. Unless someone is walking around in public, knowing they are infected they have the same rights as those that are vaccinated. If they are ill than they should stay home, just as they should if they have the Flu.
Ok, there is NO vaccine mandate. And that may be a GOOD thing. But, I would say THEN, that it is ALSO not a GOOD thing that one popular TV channel is throwing out propaganda saying that Americans should NOT get the Covid vaccine. Also, so are the various dark media channels saying that same idea to the detriment of the US of A.
IMO these anti-vaxx naysayers have links back to Russian trolls and Russian propaganda, which then get picked up by US dark media elements.

[Aces4]

Ok, there is NO vaccine mandate. And that may be a GOOD thing. But, I would say THEN, that it is ALSO not a GOOD thing that one popular TV channel is throwing out propaganda saying that Americans should NOT get the Covid vaccine. Also, so are the various dark media channels saying that same idea to the detriment of the US of A.
IMO these anti-vaxx naysayers have links back to Russian trolls and Russian propaganda, which then get picked up by US dark media elements.

Do you think COVID vaccinations should be mandated for children?

[jimjamuser]

Wow who would have thought I would agree with one of your posts.
Every once in a while my mind breaks through the fog and I achieve clarity. Don't worry, it NEVER lasts for long!

[PugMom]

I have to disagree with your last statement. I am a now retired R.N. and at the onset of the pandemic and 3 months into it I was detailed by the healthcare facility I worked at to be the triage nurse in their covid clinic. Not only was there no covid immunization available at that time, appropriate PPE was scarce. As hard as it may be to believe I was issued one flimsy surgical mask to wear for a week before I was issued a new one. Despite my high exposure to covid + patients and minimal PPE during that time I never contracted the virus. Throughout my long nursing career I received all necessary immunizations recommended by my employee health department, but after having an immediate pretty bad reaction following receiving the H1N1 immunization several years back at work that landed me in the ER I stopped with the agreement of my PCP getting annual flu shots. I had no issue getting the covid immunization when it became available to me despite having some risk having had a reaction to the H1N1, but before I went forward and took it like I do with any medication I am prescribed or consider taking OTC I did a good deal of research from many sources on contraindications especially since I have multiple drug allergies. In discovering through my own research the potential for the development for blood clots was a contraindication with the covid immunizations this was a major concern for me. In 2017 I developed what my neuro ophthalmologist believes was a micro vascular blood clot that occluded the blood flow to my optic nerve which left me permanently 95+% blind in my left eye. In having the discussion with my neuro ophthalmologist along with my PCP and several former physician colleagues that I highly respect, they all agreed anything that could potentiate the development of another blood clot that could render me totally blind I should refrain from. Opting out was not an easy decision for me to make but it was ultimately my own because none of the physicians I consulted with has a crystal ball that would tell me a definitive outcome of opting in or out would be for me. And I chose to opt out because life is difficult enough with the vision loss I have, and if I can reduce the risks that could render me totally blind I am going to do that. And in making the decision to opt out I also decided to retire to reduce my risk for contracting covid by getting me out of the high exposure environment I worked in and these days I live my life very cautiously. The decision you made to get the covid immunization/s hopefully will continue to deliver you the protection that you believe it has and will continue to have. But there are those of us where making the decision to opt in or out was much harder to make as we have health issues you don't have that getting the immunization poses an equally high risk for disability and death as contracting the virus does. So opting out for us is as equally valid as opting in was for you. I have never contracted covid but neither has my husband who has received two immunizations which I encouraged him to get because he has COPD. And why this is so remains a mystery to us since both were antibody tested several times and both testing results came back negative meaning neither had an asymptomatic case of covid that resulted in developing some natural immunity. I wish you continued positive outcomes with the decisions you make with regards to your own health, but p!ease understand the decisions you make for you may not produce the same positive outcomes for someone else that has health issues you don't have that need to be factored into their decision making process.

please know: i feel for you. my husband's best friend also went blind in both eyes. it lasted 8 months, then a dr in california was able to help. today he has his eyesight back, but has been instructed to avoid any further boosters. i dont want to start a debate-just sayin'

[PugMom]

Vaccinations are great, mandates not so much.
How can we be confident in our gov. when they have not even been honest with us about the origin of the virus? I find it interesting that taxpayer money went to China for "gain-of-function" study? I get the idea from how quiet they have kept our involvement, that the virus originated in the U.S. of A. I certainly hope that we are not culprits in this pandemic, BUT......the more I read about it, the more I see America's hands involved. It's amazing how fast we developed a vaccine too.
Sorry, I just have a suspicious nature.
I personally do not know anyone that has died from the vaccination or boosters. Then again, the only ones that I personally know that died WITH Covid were in the hospital for something else at the time and passed while being treated for a different issue than Covid. It was determined that they tested positive for Covid. So, the only issues I have heard of from friends and family were from the shots itself. A few sore arms and a few that feel lasting effects from the shots. One having a sore arm months after receiving the shot.
Everyone that I know has had Covid at least once. None of them have died FROM Covid (two WITH Covid). I have seen no difference in the symptoms being different in either group in my family and friends that have had the vaccinations or those that did not get vaccinated. Just saying, not proving anything.
I do believe in vaccinations. I am not anti-vaxx. My concern is whether or not they will ever eradicate this blight.

several countries were involved, & yes, we too. gain of function is a nice way of saying germ warfare, which last i knew was a 'bad' thing, idk. go back in time & research something called 'the Davos Forum' a few years before covid was born. don't listen to me- read & decide for yourself

[coffeebean]

COVID causes significantly higher risk of heart disease than the vaccines. More and more studies like this are being published

Heart-disease risk soars after COVID — even with a mild case (https://www.nature.com/articles/d41586-022-00403-0)

Heart-disease risk soars after COVID — even with a mild case

Massive study shows a long-term, substantial rise in risk of cardiovascular disease, including heart attack and stroke, after a SARS-CoV-2 infection.

Google COVID stroke for more info.

Which variant is the culprit for the higher incidence of heart disease? Does the Omicron variant create that risk?

[coffeebean]

And now there is a new wave of covid, not to mention the gain of function we did in Massachusetts where a new covid strain with 80% fatality was created. Not exactly sure why such a thing was created, but Fauci would have stopped it if it was bad for us. With all of this happening, fewer and fewer people are wearing masks these days. This site likes to talk about dogs, well some of them are smarter than people. I saw one wearing a mask yesterday by LSL (it could have been a muzzle but in these times, it was probably a mask). Some here could learn a thing or two from our four legged friends. And speaking of mice, we owe those four brave mice that Pfizer tested the vaccine on a debt of gratitude. Having brought up the topic of people under 50, how selfish are they. I did not work hard all my life so I could get a case of covid from some selfish millennial who refuses to stay home and isolate, not work and isolate. These years are mine, I worked for them. If we need to pay people another 7,200 to stay home and not earn a living for another two years so we can flatten the curve, then we should do it. It adds up to a couple of fewer tanks to Ukraine. We seniors worked hard all of our lives so we can enjoy this time. It is OUR time, and I will NOT share it with some inconsiderate olgre. Talk about selfish.

A new Covid strain with 80% fatality???? Where on earth did you hear about this?????

[jimjamuser]

Do you think COVID vaccinations should be mandated for children?
Some young children HAVE DIED from Covid and likely many older people have died from contact with the young ones. It is difficult to say how many older people died that way. I, personally believe that the US eradicated polio (except due recently to anti-vaxxers) The Polio vaccine (and others) was mandated years ago (in an era of belief in science). Today we have nay-sayers about everything. And many who are taking the US back to a place 40 years ago. I still believe in science. And if I were the decider-in-chief for the US, I would get a panel of medical scientists to hash it out and if they wanted a mandate, I would be for it. Today the scales of justice (lady justice) are tipped off level by the weight of propagandists both onshore and offshore. Today we need to straighten out society in order to straighten out medical practice. Hope that answers the question. I tried my best.

[coffeebean]

Got vax’d and first booster. No more boosters for me, my doctor is questioning them as well.

I would find a new doctor if it were me.

[PugMom]

Which variant is the culprit for the higher incidence of heart disease? Does the Omicron variant create that risk?

there was a bait & switch somewhere. the 1st one approved, if memory serves, was Pfizer-BioNTech, then switched names to Comirnaty, & this is where my suspicions arose because they never said why, & Comirnaty was not approved by the FDA. maybe you might know, because your the covid expert here (an affectionate term.) there's this radio dr, ronald hoffman, & he says: i will quote him "While there’s no credible evidence that the COVID-19 vaccine increases the risk of heart attack, it can lead to heart inflammation in some people. .' i think the problem may be the info is so new, there's just not enough available

[Aces4]

Some young children HAVE DIED from Covid and likely many older people have died from contact with the young ones. It is difficult to say how many older people died that way. I, personally believe that the US eradicated polio (except due recently to anti-vaxxers) The Polio vaccine (and others) was mandated years ago (in an era of belief in science). Today we have nay-sayers about everything. And many who are taking the US back to a place 40 years ago. I still believe in science. And if I were the decider-in-chief for the US, I would get a panel of medical scientists to hash it out and if they wanted a mandate, I would be for it. Today the scales of justice (lady justice) are tipped off level by the weight of propagandists both onshore and offshore. Today we need to straighten out society in order to straighten out medical practice. Hope that answers the question. I tried my best.

That’s not an accurate assessment. Polio is a virus with a one and done series of vaccinations and the other is influenza for which vaccinations never stop. Children have a wonderful immunity to the virus with the exception of the compromised child or the few that were unable to overcome COVID. This is not based on propaganda or political but I believe this is a pharma grab for more money. Why mess with the healthy immune systems of the majority of children?

[coffeebean]

there was a bait & switch somewhere. the 1st one approved, if memory serves, was Pfizer-BioNTech, then switched names to Comirnaty, & this is where my suspicions arose because they never said why, & Comirnaty was not approved by the FDA. maybe you might know, because your the covid expert here (an affectionate term.) there's this radio dr, ronald hoffman, & he says: i will quote him "While there’s no credible evidence that the COVID-19 vaccine increases the risk of heart attack, it can lead to heart inflammation in some people. .' i think the problem may be the info is so new, there's just not enough available

Me? Covid expert? Not on your tintype..

[Love2Swim]

Some young children HAVE DIED from Covid and likely many older people have died from contact with the young ones. It is difficult to say how many older people died that way. I, personally believe that the US eradicated polio (except due recently to anti-vaxxers) The Polio vaccine (and others) was mandated years ago (in an era of belief in science). Today we have nay-sayers about everything. And many who are taking the US back to a place 40 years ago. I still believe in science. And if I were the decider-in-chief for the US, I would get a panel of medical scientists to hash it out and if they wanted a mandate, I would be for it. Today the scales of justice (lady justice) are tipped off level by the weight of propagandists both onshore and offshore. Today we need to straighten out society in order to straighten out medical practice. Hope that answers the question. I tried my best.

Nailed it. Thanks for posting some common sense logic.

[mikempp]

My wife's once healthy 23 year old nephew needs 4 heart valves repaired, no thanks.

[CoachKandSportsguy]

And we all know that doctors are NEVER wrong.

True, BUT, professionals are wrong substantially LESS often than amateurs.

We don’t live in a black and white world, but a probabilistic world, where the human mind has biases towards survival and has trouble with small numbers.

Confirmation bias is a bitch!

[Altavia]

My wife's once healthy 23 year old nephew needs 4 heart valves repaired, no thanks.

For every one of those, nine end up with heart disease after catching COVID.

There now are traditional (non MRNA) vaccines available if concerned.

[chrissy2231]

Basically, it is an avoidance of DEATH.
I know someone who had Covid 3 times and all vaccs. Natural immunity is what is necessary to avoid Covid & Flu. I've never had any shot and haven't had the Flu since I was 21. My acting group have all had Covid. I've been with them and do not get it. I use nasal irrigation, and that may be the key.

[chrissy2231]

Some young children HAVE DIED from Covid and likely many older people have died from contact with the young ones. It is difficult to say how many older people died that way. I, personally believe that the US eradicated polio (except due recently to anti-vaxxers) The Polio vaccine (and others) was mandated years ago (in an era of belief in science). Today we have nay-sayers about everything. And many who are taking the US back to a place 40 years ago. I still believe in science. And if I were the decider-in-chief for the US, I would get a panel of medical scientists to hash it out and if they wanted a mandate, I would be for it. Today the scales of justice (lady justice) are tipped off level by the weight of propagandists both onshore and offshore. Today we need to straighten out society in order to straighten out medical practice. Hope that answers the question. I tried my best.
I know someone who had Covid 3 times and all vaccs. Natural immunity is what is necessary to avoid Covid & Flu. I've never had any shot and haven't had the Flu since I was 21. My acting group have all had Covid. I've been with them and do not get it. I use nasal irrigation, and that may be the key.

[Two Bills]

My wife's once healthy 23 year old nephew needs 4 heart valves repaired, no thanks.

Sounds more like a congenital defect, or a failure over a longer period.
Can't see it as a short term reaction to a Covid vaccination.

[Whitley]

A new Covid strain with 80% fatality???? Where on earth did you hear about this?????



New Covid strain with 80% death rate claimed to be developed by Boston University researchers (https://www.msn.com/en-in/health/wellness/new-covid-strain-with-80percent-death-rate-claimed-to-be-developed-by-boston-university-researchers/ar-AA138GG7)

[Altavia]

Sounds more like a congenital defect, or a failure over a longer period.
Can't see it as a short term reaction to a Covid vaccination.

Yes, the risk is very low from the vaccine compared to heart disease risk from COVID.

Heart-disease risk soars after COVID — even with a mild case

Heart-disease risk soars after COVID — even with a mild case (https://www.nature.com/articles/d41586-022-00403-0)

[Byte1]

Sounds more like a congenital defect, or a failure over a longer period.
Can't see it as a short term reaction to a Covid vaccination.

My understanding is that the study of 18 to 36yo individuals that received the covid vaccinations showed that something like 85% were more likely to have heart issues within the first 28 days of getting the second shot. I believe that study was conducted in Florida, although I may be wrong. I do not know if that has anything to do with the statement regarding issues after being infected with Covid.

[Stu from NYC]

I know someone who had Covid 3 times and all vaccs. Natural immunity is what is necessary to avoid Covid & Flu. I've never had any shot and haven't had the Flu since I was 21. My acting group have all had Covid. I've been with them and do not get it. I use nasal irrigation, and that may be the key.

And how bad a case did they get with getting covid 3x? Could be your just lucky?

[Aces4]

I know someone who had Covid 3 times and all vaccs. Natural immunity is what is necessary to avoid Covid & Flu. I've never had any shot and haven't had the Flu since I was 21. My acting group have all had Covid. I've been with them and do not get it. I use nasal irrigation, and that may be the key.

I’ve heard high colonics work too…:rolleyes:

[OrangeBlossomBaby]

A new Covid strain with 80% fatality???? Where on earth did you hear about this?????

https://www.factcheck.org/2022/10/scicheck-social-media-claims-misrepresent-boston-u-study-of-what-causes-severity-of-covid-19-strains/

[Eg_cruz]

I've had both Moderna shots and both boosters. Now the is a third Booster available. This is the first time I'm not really sure about a Covid Vaccine. I want to ask what others here are thinking about it?
Stop the madness. Read read read my dr says it’s a waste of time and money……stop this crazy madness. Big pharma got you hooked, break free from their clutches.

[Two Bills]

Can't wait for the fourth booster.
We can do this thread again!
Nearly two years, and still running:ohdear:

[Bay Kid]

I heard up north at some college they are trying to discover new covid variants. Great, another potential disaster.

[billethkid]

same merry go round.........same riders.....

_______________________________________________

:censored:

[Whitley]

And how bad a case did they get with getting covid 3x? Could be your just lucky?

Same could be said about a vaxed person getting a mild case. Could they just be lucky? I know of many non vaxed individuals (many dealing with the issues that come with a cancer diagnosis) that have had very mild symptoms. I'd be interested in reading peer reviewed studies that show symptoms are reduced in vaxed individuals. The lack of transparency creates suspicion on all sides.

[Bill14564]

Same could be said about a vaxed person getting a mild case. Could they just be lucky? I know of many non vaxed individuals (many dealing with the issues that come with a cancer diagnosis) that have had very mild symptoms. I'd be interested in reading peer reviewed studies that show symptoms are reduced in vaxed individuals. The lack of transparency creates suspicion on all sides.

Lack of spoon-feeding is not the same as lack of transparency. The data seems to be available even of it isn't pushed to your news feed.

Not a peer-reviewed study, but the ratio of unvaccinated covid patients who die compared to the ratio of vaccinated patients who die should tell you that at least one symptom, death, is reduced in the vaccinated population.

[Whitley]

I heard up north at some college they are trying to discover new covid variants. Great, another potential disaster.

A lab in Massachusetts has altered the covid virus so that the new strain has an 80% fatality rate. Why anyone would do this, I do not know. It seems risky and it certainly "appears" to be gain of function.

[Velvet]

A lab in Massachusetts has altered the covid virus so that the new strain has an 80% fatality rate. Why anyone would do this, I do not know. It seems risky and it certainly "appears" to be gain of function.

The whole document.

Social Media Claims Misrepresent Boston U. Study of What Causes Severity of COVID-19 Strains - FactCheck.org (https://www.factcheck.org/2022/10/scicheck-social-media-claims-misrepresent-boston-u-study-of-what-causes-severity-of-covid-19-strains/)

From what I read; the original virus killed 10 out of ten mice, the new strain (omicron) killed 8 out of ten mice. This is where the 80% fatality rate comes from.

[Whitley]

Lack of spoon-feeding is not the same as lack of transparency. The data seems to be available even of it isn't pushed to your news feed.

Not a peer-reviewed study, but the ratio of unvaccinated covid patients who die compared to the ratio of vaccinated patients who die should tell you that at least one symptom, death, is reduced in the vaccinated population.

I consider the EU having to go to court to get pfizer to release studies and Agreements something less than transparency. Even then 90%+ of each page was blacked out (see EU press conference below). It was because of these hearings that we ever found out the vaccine was NOT tested to see if it prevented transmission prior to being distributed. I guess we have a different definition of transparency.
FDA having to be ordered by a judge to release documents pertaining to their approval of the vaccine (FDA said it would take 75 years, miraculously accomplishes it in 8 months. See below)
And I would like to see a peer review study as well as any statistics showing stat significance in the results to back up what is claimed. Perhaps we have a different definition of science as well.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HnSnQor8zDY&t=615s

FDA says it needs 75 years to release Pfizer COVID-19 vaccine data to the public - Euro Weekly News (https://euroweeklynews.com/2021/12/09/fda-says-it-needs-75-years-to-release-pfizer-covid-19-vaccine-data-to-the-public/)

[Bill14564]

I consider the EU having to go to court to get pfizer to release studies and Agreements something less than transparency. Even then 90%+ of each page was blacked out (see EU press conference below). It was because of these hearings that we ever found out the vaccine was NOT tested to see if it prevented transmission prior to being distributed. I guess we have a different definition of transparency.
FDA having to be ordered by a judge to release documents pertaining to their approval of the vaccine (FDA said it would take 75 years, miraculously accomplishes it in 8 months. See below)
And I would like to see a peer review study as well as any statistics showing stat significance in the results to back up what is claimed. Perhaps we have a different definition of science as well.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HnSnQor8zDY&t=615s

FDA says it needs 75 years to release Pfizer COVID-19 vaccine data to the public - Euro Weekly News (https://euroweeklynews.com/2021/12/09/fda-says-it-needs-75-years-to-release-pfizer-covid-19-vaccine-data-to-the-public/)

I’m pretty sure I knew it was not tested to prevent transmission when I read the study results at about the time the vaccines were first released.

Not different definitions, just different expectations and different understanding of reality and of what is possible.

I will continue to view the murky ratios as good enough for me.

[jimjamuser]

I know someone who had Covid 3 times and all vaccs. Natural immunity is what is necessary to avoid Covid & Flu. I've never had any shot and haven't had the Flu since I was 21. My acting group have all had Covid. I've been with them and do not get it. I use nasal irrigation, and that may be the key.
OK. Then the question becomes should US society use "NASAL IRRIGATION" to combat Covid or should the people go with the advice of the MAJORITY of Doctors, medical scientists, and the CDC and get their shots? Nasal irrigation sounds like using "ultraviolet light" somehow. And it is some type of fallacy......like......I have NOT caught Covid and I wash out my nose regularly THEREFORE nasal irrigation prevents Covid infection. Maybe there is a lady somewhere
that always wears red shoes and swears that is the reason she has never gotten Covid.

I believe that I will go with the advice of the CDC over "nasal irrigation".

[jimjamuser]

///.

[Altavia]

Same could be said about a vaxed person getting a mild case. Could they just be lucky? I know of many non vaxed individuals (many dealing with the issues that come with a cancer diagnosis) that have had very mild symptoms. I'd be interested in reading peer reviewed studies that show symptoms are reduced in vaxed individuals. The lack of transparency creates suspicion on all sides.

Another risk is that even if you have a mild case, you have still have risk of long COVID.

The majority of available studies on the long COVID are demonstrating the vaccinated are reporting lower incidence of long-term symptoms and life changing events.

Association between BNT162b2 vaccination and reported incidence of post-COVID-19 symptoms: cross-sectional study 2020-21, Israel | npj Vaccines (https://www.nature.com/articles/s41541-022-00526-5)

Vaccination with 2+ doses of BNT162b2 was associated with a reduced risk of reporting most of the common post-acute COVID-19 symptoms. Our results suggest that BNT162b2 vaccination may have a protective effect against longer term COVID-19 symptoms.

[jimjamuser]

https://www.factcheck.org/2022/10/scicheck-social-media-claims-misrepresent-boston-u-study-of-what-causes-severity-of-covid-19-strains/
Good to set that record straight.

[Whitley]

OK. Then the question becomes should US society use "NASAL IRRIGATION" to combat Covid or should the people go with the advice of the MAJORITY of Doctors, medical scientists, and the CDC and get their shots? Nasal irrigation sounds like using "ultraviolet light" somehow. And it is some type of fallacy......like......I have NOT caught Covid and I wash out my nose regularly THEREFORE nasal irrigation prevents Covid infection. Maybe there is a lady somewhere
that always wears red shoes and swears that is the reason she has never gotten Covid.

I believe that I will go with the advice of the CDC over "nasal irrigation".

We have been told so many things that I no longer discount something without looking into it deeper. There are many publications, including scientific, that state nasal irrigation could, may, and does prevent the spread of covid. The government conducted trials that showed nasal irrigation AKA Nasal lavage reduces the severity of covid symptoms and may reduce covid morbidity. Would like to see the final paper. Medical College of Georgia showed that people performing nasal irrigation were more than 8x less likely to be hospitalized. As with most papers, including those who say being fully vaxxed may reduce long term covid, we need to look at the data.

[Whitley]

Good to set that record straight.

Other than funding (in this case from the Annenberg Public Policy Center) what qualifications do fact checkers need to have, if any?

[Byte1]

I think that instead of getting the booster shots, which seem to be suggested every six months, I'll just wait until they get the daily booster pill out. No, I am not saying that one is being tested or even in the works. I just decided that since they are going to call for booster shots every six months, I figure that someone will eventually come up with a pill to alleviate having folks go through the side effects of the shot. Of course, maybe some folks do not believe the shot was effective unless the shot resulted in great misery. Nope, the covid vaccination booster pill will be the way to go. Take it as a vitamin supplement and stay healthy, will be the slogan.

[OrangeBlossomBaby]

Other than funding (in this case from the Annenberg Public Policy Center) what qualifications do fact checkers need to have, if any?

Phones, fax machines, e-mail addresses, a reliable computer, credentials that allow them to access data from their sources, paper, pens, printers with enough ink to print out pages, and probably a desk would be helpful. Critical thinking skills are a good thing too, I imagine.

You don't have to be an expert heart surgeon to know that the heart is an organ of the body that your body needs to function. You just need to know ENOUGH to be capable of looking up facts, and have a few critical thinking skills. That way you can dismiss the sources that insist that the heart isn't a vital organ, humans don't need it, they're actually symptoms of deadly disease, and human hearts should be removed at birth and injected with kerosene so they don't spread disease to the surgeon.

Fact checkers can also be computer constructs, they don't necessarily have to be people. It depends on what facts the fact checker is tasked with checking.

[Byte1]

Norm!!!

[jimjamuser]

Stop the madness. Read read read my dr says it’s a waste of time and money……stop this crazy madness. Big pharma got you hooked, break free from their clutches.
My opinion is that you should do a lot of reading and then you will realize that the CDC has analyzed MUCH more data than you (ONLY ONE LAYMAN) ever can. The CDC has teams of medical scientists on its staff. One inescapable fact is that the UNVACCINATED people are being hospitalized and are dying at a rate many times greater than the VACCINATED people! That's a FACT not just my opinion. Google it!

[Babubhat]

I can’t believe people take medical advice from a bulletin board. And 4 out of 5 dentists recommended a particular toothpaste

[jimjamuser]

Can't wait for the fourth booster.
We can do this thread again!
Nearly two years, and still running:ohdear:
Well, it IS a life or death decision, especially for the over-65 age group. It beats a thread about dog poo or a "can someone fix my garage door" type of thread, which only interests one or two people.

[jimjamuser]

OK. Then the question becomes should US society use "NASAL IRRIGATION" to combat Covid or should the people go with the advice of the MAJORITY of Doctors, medical scientists, and the CDC and get their shots? Nasal irrigation sounds like using "ultraviolet light" somehow. And it is some type of fallacy......like......I have NOT caught Covid and I wash out my nose regularly THEREFORE nasal irrigation prevents Covid infection. Maybe there is a lady somewhere
that always wears red shoes and swears that is the reason she has never gotten Covid.

I believe that I will go with the advice of the CDC over "nasal irrigation".
There is another danger posed by the anti-vaxxers. Individually, they may get lucky and NOT be hospitalized or DIE. It is selfish of them and detrimental to society as a whole. Because they may be asymptomatic and may be spreading it around to older people who DIE or younger people that have other health conditions that in concert with Covid cause them to be hospitalized or die. That is why in the more patriotic past, there were mandates for vaccines that were designed to serve the greater good over the spoiled, selfish few. And just try enlisting in the military and saying you are special, you are an ANTI-VAXXER.

[Byte1]

Sounds like the same old, same old. Perhaps it would be easier just to start a Poll every time the subject of vaccinations comes up?

[Aces4]

There is another danger posed by the anti-vaxxers. Individually, they may get lucky and NOT be hospitalized or DIE. It is selfish of them and detrimental to society as a whole. Because they may be asymptomatic and may be spreading it around to older people who DIE or younger people that have other health conditions that in concert with Covid cause them to be hospitalized or die. That is why in the more patriotic past, there were mandates for vaccines that were designed to serve the greater good over the spoiled, selfish few. And just try enlisting in the military and saying you are special, you are an ANTI-VAXXER.

I was pro-COVID vaccination until my sibling was told at a physical appointment, three weeks after the COVID vaccination booster vaccination, that a heart murmur was detected. Numerous heart tests were arranged and performed after confirmation of this new murmur. Long story short, murmur disappeared after 5 weeks. Who knows how their heart was affected during that time. After my Moderna booster, I was sick for a week. Both of us are reluctant to receive the current bivalent booster.

I think you can rest assured, neither of those reactions were reported to the CDC.

[Bay Kid]

Who to believe? We have been lied to so often.

[Byte1]

So, if one does not get the booster, THEY are "selfish?" How about YOU (not aimed at anyone) get the booster and quit worrying about what others are doing? If you are still scared of catching the virus, then you don't have much confidence in the booster, so why should anyone else get it? If you are worried about catching the virus, then where a mask whenever you go out, as if that is going to help you. I know a retired nurse that wears a mask EVERYWHERE when she leaves her home and she just recently recovered from covid infection. Wonder how that happened. She also had all her shots and boosters. Life isn't a guarantee. But, I will guarantee one thing, you don't get out of it alive. How are you going to feel if you intimidate someone into getting their booster shots and then find out that the last booster they had caused heart damage? I am not saying it does, and I am not suggesting that anyone fear getting their booster shots. I am not attempting to instill fear in anyone regarding vaccinations. There is a lot of fear caused by this man-made virus and folks need to be allowed to make their own decisions. I doubt anyone has a priority of getting vaccinated for the good of the whole. Other than those of us that are doing it for someone in our family; to protect them. If I thought that the serum was dangerous, why would I get it to protect a neighbor that I might not even know? It's not human nature to take that kind of chance. That's not being selfish. It's having common sense. Don't let your fear of this virus cause you to intimidate others to do something against their will.
I will continue to discuss the vaccinations with my family, but I will not encourage or discourage them from getting that particular vaccination. Same thing with the Flu vaccination. There are many of us that have never had the flu and feel that the yearly flu shot is not necessary for them, individually.
In my opinion, anyone that tries to sell us on their getting the covid vaccination purely for their neighbors, is being disingenuous. Likely as not, they are attempting to convince others to get the vaccination because they are scared. I did not get the vaccination for anyone other than my spouse. Personally, I doubt I would have gotten the vaccination if not for my concern for her health.
Get the boosters or don't get them, it doesn't matter to me. I have family members that wait in line for the next booster that might come out at any minute. I also have family that haven't gotten the first shot. It's their choice and I do not attempt to push them either way. If you allow fear to rule your life then you will live in fear. I've said this before, I am not anti-vaxx .I have vaccinations, other than the flu shot.

[jimjamuser]

I was pro-COVID vaccination until my sibling was told at a physical appointment, three weeks after the COVID vaccination booster vaccination, that a heart murmur was detected. Numerous heart tests were arranged and performed after confirmation of this new murmur. Long story short, murmur disappeared after 5 weeks. Who knows how their heart was affected during that time. After my Moderna booster, I was sick for a week. Both of us are reluctant to receive the current bivalent booster.

I think you can rest assured, neither of those reactions were reported to the CDC.
I am VERY sorry about your experience and it is good that it is shared with the Forum. My wife and I have gotten all 5 of our shots with only a slightly stiff arm for a couple of days. I have heard of other reactions such as being sick for a week. That would probably NOT be something that the CDC would be interested in collecting data on. Now, your sibling is a different story.......I would HOPE that a heart murmur that happens soon after a Covid shot would be significant enough for the CDC to compile data on.......with a plan to investigate IF there are many other such incidents. I do NOT know whether or not it is the Doctor's responsibility to send in a report about a heart murmur soon after a Covid shot. I would HOPE that it would get reported.

[jimjamuser]

Who to believe? We have been lied to so often.
Imagine the lies that we would be told if we lived in Russia or China. And we can see how badly China has handled its Covid Pandemic and how LITTLE Russia cares about human lives.

[Dusty_Star]

I will not be getting the updated shot, it actually produces fewer useful antibodies against Omicron than a fourth jab with the original formulation.

This is from a paper released on October 24th from Dr. David Ho, a top virologist at Columbia University.

Worse, newer Omicron variants evade both types of boosters with ease, the report found.

This probably explains why the CDC director Rochelle Walensky got Covid exactly a month after getting the new bivalent shot.

I'm very unhappy with the testing and approval process of these failing shots.

https://www.biorxiv.org/content/10.1101/2022.10.22.513349v1.full.pdf

[Dusty_Star]

I started with the single J&J shot. Then, 2 Moderna boosters. Two weeks after the second booster I developed blood clots in my leg (DVT) and clots in my lungs (PE). Docs thinks the second booster did me in. NO MORE SHOTS for ME!

I'm very sorry to hear that, I hope for your complete recovery.

[Byte1]

I personally know a person here in the Villages that had their second covid shot and has had pain in her arm for the pas six plus months. That has not made my decision for me, but I have to take that as a caution sign. I'm interested in the Florida study (that has nothing to do with me) where they recorded heart problems within 28 days of folks 18-36yo after they received their second shot. It received an estimate of 85% greater chance for that group to have heart problems. Not sure of the details, but it might be something to consider. Do what's best for you and don't worry about what other folks do. Protect yourself as you feel what is right for you. Sorry, not a medical professional, so I shouldn't be giving advice.

[Dusty_Star]

All eight mice survived. Right? I read that all eight mice contracted the Ba.5 illness after receiving the Ba.5 bivalent booster & all are currently dead.

[Altavia]

I am VERY sorry about your experience and it is good that it is shared with the Forum. My wife and I have gotten all 5 of our shots with only a slightly stiff arm for a couple of days. I have heard of other reactions such as being sick for a week. That would probably NOT be something that the CDC would be interested in collecting data on. Now, your sibling is a different story.......I would HOPE that a heart murmur that happens soon after a Covid shot would be significant enough for the CDC to compile data on.......with a plan to investigate IF there are many other such incidents. I do NOT know whether or not it is the Doctor's responsibility to send in a report about a heart murmur soon after a Covid shot. I would HOPE that it would get reported.

The risk of heart disease from COVID/long VOVID is ten fold higher in the unvaccinated - pick your poison.

[Whitley]

It may be that it is very difficult to get information like this out to the public. There is a DR John Campbell on YouTube who has been speaking about the virus for two years now. He has become quite a verbal gymnist, attempting to get information out withot falling prey to the censorship.

[Whitley]

The risk of heart disease from COVID/long VOVID is ten fold higher in the unvaccinated - pick your poison.

Really! Ten Fold? What study was that in? I also have questions about Long Covid. Is this something that can be tested for, like covid, or is it strictly self diagnosed?

[Whitley]

Imagine the lies that we would be told if we lived in Russia or China. And we can see how badly China has handled its Covid Pandemic and how LITTLE Russia cares about human lives.

I do not understand your reply to the original post below

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Originally Posted by Bay Kid View Post
Who to believe? We have been lied to so often.

You are not suggesting that it is acceptable to be lied to by our country because Russia and China lie more to their population. I'm sure we do not want to base our rights to freedom and transparency on the behavior of Russia and China.

[Whitley]

Is someone working on a conventional vaccine for covid?

[Whitley]

I heard up north at some college they are trying to discover new covid variants. Great, another potential disaster.

Once they were found out and made the news, they now claim that since their new strain only killed 80% of the mice it was tested on and not 100% like an earlier variant, it was not gain of function. Thank goodness we have fact checkers to clear that up.

[Whitley]

The whole document.

Social Media Claims Misrepresent Boston U. Study of What Causes Severity of COVID-19 Strains - FactCheck.org (https://www.factcheck.org/2022/10/scicheck-social-media-claims-misrepresent-boston-u-study-of-what-causes-severity-of-covid-19-strains/)

From what I read; the original virus killed 10 out of ten mice, the new strain (omicron) killed 8 out of ten mice. This is where the 80% fatality rate comes from.

Thank you for the link. Have you been able to determine what their goal was? I heard one of the researchers say it is not gain of function because it had an 80% fataility rate, whereas the original killed 100% of the mice. What was the intended purpose. The only thing I can see worth taking risks like this would be in the search for new, better, safer vaccines. So many questions.

[jimjamuser]

It may be that it is very difficult to get information like this out to the public. There is a DR John Campbell on YouTube who has been speaking about the virus for two years now. He has become quite a verbal gymnist, attempting to get information out withot falling prey to the censorship.
Let me get this straight - government censorship is pushing worthless Covid vaccines that are unnecessary because washing out the nose is the REAL answer. OK, so that means that all those body bags that we saw in NY City on TV were because those people failed to wash out their noses often enough?

[jimjamuser]

I do not understand your reply to the original post below

"
Originally Posted by Bay Kid View Post
Who to believe? We have been lied to so often.

You are not suggesting that it is acceptable to be lied to by our country because Russia and China lie more to their population. I'm sure we do not want to base our rights to freedom and transparency on the behavior of Russia and China.
Really.......I am saying that there are indeed some lies floating around in the US, especially on the dark web. But, the MAGNITUDE of lies told to US people is literally nothing compared to the lies told in the non-free world, like Chin and Russia.

My post was very straightforward.

[Aces4]

The risk of heart disease from COVID/long VOVID is ten fold higher in the unvaccinated - pick your poison.

Discussed this with said sibling and they would rather die from the disease than die trying to avoid it.

[jimjamuser]

Is someone working on a conventional vaccine for covid?
Yes. Dr. Hotez of the U. of Texas, a World Famous Pediatrician that specializes in tropical diseases. He and another Doctor created a "conventional" vaccine that is designed for use in 3rd world counties. It is less effective than the mRNA vaccines used in the 1st world, but it can be produced in a low-tech way there. DR Hotez was on TV just about daily at the peak of the Delta variant here in the US. He is hard to miss. He is a nice guy that wears a bow tie.
........Incidentally, he predicts that the US has been TOO QUICK to take Covid off ITS radar screen because he expects a surge to happen in the winter when people up north spend more time INDOORS - and in the midwest where vaccination rates are LOWER.
........wow, I hope that Dr Hotez is aware of "Nasal Irrigation" techniques.

[Love2Swim]

I can’t believe people take medical advice from a bulletin board.

:agree:

[Whitley]

The risk of heart disease from COVID/long VOVID is ten fold higher in the unvaccinated - pick your poison.

Hi. Long Covid; is this something that can be tested for, or is it strictly self reporting?

[Whitley]

Yes. Dr. Hotez of the U. of Texas, a World Famous Pediatrician that specializes in tropical diseases. He and another Doctor created a "conventional" vaccine that is designed for use in 3rd world counties. It is less effective than the mRNA vaccines used in the 1st world, but it can be produced in a low-tech way there. DR Hotez was on TV just about daily at the peak of the Delta variant here in the US. He is hard to miss. He is a nice guy that wears a bow tie.
........Incidentally, he predicts that the US has been TOO QUICK to take Covid off ITS radar screen because he expects a surge to happen in the winter when people up north spend more time INDOORS - and in the midwest where vaccination rates are LOWER.
........wow, I hope that Dr Hotez is aware of "Nasal Irrigation" techniques.

I keep hearing that natural immunity is the Cadillac of protection. I would have thought a traditional vaccine (one that uses a live virulent or attenuated virus would be the most effective. I would think offering a traditional vaccine would change the minds of quite a few unvaccinated people to get the shot.

[Altavia]

Really! Ten Fold? What study was that in? I also have questions about Long Covid. Is this something that can be tested for, like covid, or is it strictly self diagnosed?

I posted a link earlier to a study summarizing around 20 studies on this subject.

Google "COVID Heart Disease" to see what many hospitals/researchers are reporting.

Diagnosis is a group of symptoms at this point.

[Altavia]

Is someone working on a conventional vaccine for covid?

Yes, Novavax is similar to flu vaccines.

Novavax'''s COVID-19 Vaccine: Your Questions Answered > News > Yale Medicine (https://www.yalemedicine.org/news/novavax-covid-vaccine)

Novavax COVID-19 Vaccine, Adjuvanted | FDA (https://www.fda.gov/emergency-preparedness-and-response/coronavirus-disease-2019-covid-19/novavax-covid-19-vaccine-adjuvanted)

[Aces4]

Yes. Dr. Hotez of the U. of Texas, a World Famous Pediatrician that specializes in tropical diseases. He and another Doctor created a "conventional" vaccine that is designed for use in 3rd world counties. It is less effective than the mRNA vaccines used in the 1st world, but it can be produced in a low-tech way there. DR Hotez was on TV just about daily at the peak of the Delta variant here in the US. He is hard to miss. He is a nice guy that wears a bow tie.
........Incidentally, he predicts that the US has been TOO QUICK to take Covid off ITS radar screen because he expects a surge to happen in the winter when people up north spend more time INDOORS - and in the midwest where vaccination rates are LOWER.
........wow, I hope that Dr Hotez is aware of "Nasal Irrigation" techniques.

…and high colonics!barf