Yachts in a Hurricane

[Michael G.]

So hurricane Ian is here coming and the warnings have been going on for more than a week.

On the local news tomorrow, they will show all those beautiful muti-million-dollar yachts,
(I'm jealous), piled on top of one another.

Why didn't the owners take the time and get them out of the water or a safe harbor for the storm?
I sure some have.

Those insurance company's could be using that money to repair homes.

Thoughts?

[fdpaq0580]

So hurricane Ian is here coming and the warnings have been going on for more than a week.

On the local news tomorrow, they will show all those beautiful muti-million-dollar yachts,
(I'm jealous), piled on top of one another.

Why didn't the owners take the time and get them out of the water or a safe harbor for the storm?
I sure some have.

Those insurance company's could be using that money to repair homes.

Thoughts?

Just something you might not be aware of. Not every large boat is just a pleasure boat. Many are homes for individuals, couples, families with children. Also, many large and impressive yachts can be purchased far cheaper then one might realize. For many it is the least expensive home they could buy. To move your residence out of the possible path of what may, or may not, become a hurricane in a couple of weeks requires planning, provisioning, and the ability to take several weeks off at a moment's notice. For the truly wealthy, they either let insurance cover any damage, or have the hired captain and crew move it, but only if the owner tells them when and where to go.
Moving the boat to a safe place is not a luxury most boat owners have, practically speaking.

[charlieo1126@gmail.com]

Just something you might not be aware of. Not every large boat is just a pleasure boat. Many are homes for individuals, couples, families with children. Also, many large and impressive yachts can be purchased far cheaper then one might realize. For many it is the least expensive home they could buy. To move your residence out of the possible path of what may, or may not, become a hurricane in a couple of weeks requires planning, provisioning, and the ability to take several weeks off at a moment's notice. For the truly wealthy, they either let insurance cover any damage, or have the hired captain and crew move it, but only if the owner tells them when and where to go.
Moving the boat to a safe place is not a luxury most boat owners have, practically speaking. I agree the family boat is 52 feet in Boston harbor it’s not possible to get a boat out on short notice and most of the time you can ride it out at the dock

[Stu from NYC]

So hurricane Ian is here coming and the warnings have been going on for more than a week.

On the local news tomorrow, they will show all those beautiful muti-million-dollar yachts,
(I'm jealous), piled on top of one another.

Why didn't the owners take the time and get them out of the water or a safe harbor for the storm?
I sure some have.

Those insurance company's could be using that money to repair homes.

Thoughts?

Darn it was on my list of things to do and I forgot. Oh well.

[kcrazorbackfan]

I agree the family boat is 52 feet in Boston harbor it’s not possible to get a boat out on short notice and most of the time you can ride it out at the dock

52’? Wow.

[Bjeanj]

You’re comparing apples and oranges. Quite often, those companies that insure homes are not the ones that insure yachts.

I can’t speak to your other comments.

[Djean1981]

So hurricane Ian is here coming and the warnings have been going on for more than a week.

On the local news tomorrow, they will show all those beautiful muti-million-dollar yachts,
(I'm jealous), piled on top of one another.

Why didn't the owners take the time and get them out of the water or a safe harbor for the storm?
I sure some have.

Those insurance company's could be using that money to repair homes.

Thoughts?
Agreed. The hurricane was forecasted for days and days. Owners could have sailed them out of the area. On TV, I also saw a bunch of planes flipped over.
Couldn't they have just flown them out of the area?

[MrFlorida]

Owners may not be here, some people do travel. ⁵

[OrangeBlossomBaby]

Agreed. The hurricane was forecasted for days and days. Owners could have sailed them out of the area. On TV, I also saw a bunch of planes flipped over.
Couldn't they have just flown them out of the area?

Only if they get the flight plan approved. You can't "just" fly a plane to another state on a whim, or without recording a flight plan.

[Stu from NYC]

Only if they get the flight plan approved. You can't "just" fly a plane to another state on a whim, or without recording a flight plan.

You can but you could also get your license revoked

[RoadToad]

Only if they get the flight plan approved. You can't "just" fly a plane to another state on a whim, or without recording a flight plan.

Actually you can.
Filing a flight plan is not mandatory for VFR flights nor interstate flight.
Got my pilots license over 50 years ago.

[Gullwing]

Only if they get the flight plan approved. You can't "just" fly a plane to another state on a whim, or without recording a flight plan.
Beg to differ. Under visual flight rules, one can fly anywhere that’s not restricted air space, without a flight plan.

[rsmurano]

Why do you think a $500k house should have priority over a $500k boat? If you know your house is in a flood prone area, why don’t you move the house? How many houses are built on a river that floods? On the coast that is 1’ above sea level? How about all of this homes in Louisiana that are below sea level? Why do we keep paying to fix these homes when they keep getting flooded over and over? Part of our insurance payments go to paying these policies

[larbud]

And if IF was a skiff we could row across the d@mn lake…

[Taurus510]

Agreed. The hurricane was forecasted for days and days. Owners could have sailed them out of the area. On TV, I also saw a bunch of planes flipped over.
Couldn't they have just flown them out of the area?

We have a 51 foot boat that is berthed on the St. John’s River in Jacksonville. You say we should just sail these boats out of the area. Many of these boats are slow movers, ours cruises at roughly 10 knots. That’s 11.5 mph. That means that in 12 hours, with no current running against you and no wind pushing you back, you could move your boat a distance of 138 miles. Now, which direction do you run? Do you run south, where right now looks as though you would be in the clear if you can make the distance in time? And if you do, what if the hurricane shifts and takes a turn south? You may have left a now safe location and put yourself right in the new path of the hurricane.

Others have said, “just haul them out of the water”. Our boat is 65,000 pounds, that is over 32 tons. You don’t take the family pickup to pull these boats out. The marinas have lifts that can remove these boats from the water, and they can even block them and place them on land. But in order to get all those boats out of the water and blocked on land, (assuming there was enough room for all them), would take a week at best. A week out, forecast landfall is almost worthless. So, if all the Tampa marinas had hauled all their boats out and found some place for them, but Fort Myers didn’t because the hurricane was going north, what good would it have done. Secondly, with strong storm surge, the water rises, all those “yachts” as you call them, float free from their blocking and now are completely free.

What we did with our boat, and it took a couple days to do it, was to remove all canvas from the exterior, add extra lines and fenders. Turns out that we probably didn’t need to.

Hope this all explains why people don’t “simply” sail away or haul them out their boats. Responsible owners will take every precaution possible to protect their property, but a direct hit will do what it is going to do, just like with a house.

Lastly, large boats have to be insured with yacht insurance. Those are marine specialty insurance companies, and any money saved by them would not be going to rebuild houses.

[allsport]

So hurricane Ian is here coming and the warnings have been going on for more than a week.

On the local news tomorrow, they will show all those beautiful muti-million-dollar yachts,
(I'm jealous), piled on top of one another.

Why didn't the owners take the time and get them out of the water or a safe harbor for the storm?
I sure some have.

Those insurance company's could be using that money to repair homes.

Thoughts?

It takes days to move large boats and if you ever had one you would know that you cannot just dock one anywhere. There are no safe harbors in a hurricane and you cannot predict their path until they are on top of you. Most of the time you tie it down and hope for the best. People do live on these boats and they are less expensive than homes here in the villages. The very rich with big yachts can eat the damage.

[Stu from NYC]

Why do you think a $500k house should have priority over a $500k boat? If you know your house is in a flood prone area, why don’t you move the house? How many houses are built on a river that floods? On the coast that is 1’ above sea level? How about all of this homes in Louisiana that are below sea level? Why do we keep paying to fix these homes when they keep getting flooded over and over? Part of our insurance payments go to paying these policies

I suspect that several insurance companies are not writing policies in Florida due to huge losses on homes at or below sea level

[jimbo2012]

Most boats do better in water at floating docks not taking them out of the water.

https://c8.alamy.com/comp/CCNG09/st-georges-grenada-in-the-spice-island-marina-yachts-were-blown-over-CCNG09.jpg

[ffresh]

You can but you could also get your license revoked

A VFR (visual flight rules) flight plan is recommended but not required. If one has waited so long, in this situation, to require an IFR (instrument flight rules) flight plan, you would be in for a very rough ride barf

Fred

[Two Bills]

Took ours out of water.
Just in case!

95262

[joelfmi]

well its too late now a great deal of owners have lost their boats.
My heart goes out to them.

[kkingston57]

Agreed. The hurricane was forecasted for days and days. Owners could have sailed them out of the area. On TV, I also saw a bunch of planes flipped over.
Couldn't they have just flown them out of the area?

To answer your question, Yep. Unless plane was overturned by a sudden and unexpected wind gust, do not understand why aircraft not flown away. Probably a lot easier than moving a boat.

[kkingston57]

We have a 51 foot boat that is berthed on the St. John’s River in Jacksonville. You say we should just sail these boats out of the area. Many of these boats are slow movers, ours cruises at roughly 10 knots. That’s 11.5 mph. That means that in 12 hours, with no current running against you and no wind pushing you back, you could move your boat a distance of 138 miles. Now, which direction do you run? Do you run south, where right now looks as though you would be in the clear if you can make the distance in time? And if you do, what if the hurricane shifts and takes a turn south? You may have left a now safe location and put yourself right in the new path of the hurricane.

Others have said, “just haul them out of the water”. Our boat is 65,000 pounds, that is over 32 tons. You don’t take the family pickup to pull these boats out. The marinas have lifts that can remove these boats from the water, and they can even block them and place them on land. But in order to get all those boats out of the water and blocked on land, (assuming there was enough room for all them), would take a week at best. A week out, forecast landfall is almost worthless. So, if all the Tampa marinas had hauled all their boats out and found some place for them, but Fort Myers didn’t because the hurricane was going north, what good would it have done. Secondly, with strong storm surge, the water rises, all those “yachts” as you call them, float free from their blocking and now are completely free.

What we did with our boat, and it took a couple days to do it, was to remove all canvas from the exterior, add extra lines and fenders. Turns out that we probably didn’t need to.

Hope this all explains why people don’t “simply” sail away or haul them out their boats. Responsible owners will take every precaution possible to protect their property, but a direct hit will do what it is going to do, just like with a house.

Lastly, large boats have to be insured with yacht insurance. Those are marine specialty insurance companies, and any money saved by them would not be going to rebuild houses.

Great factual explanation!

[Bill14564]

Most boats do better in water at floating docks not taking them out of the water.



Most boats do better in water at floating docks in areas without hurricanes or storm surges. But in areas that do have have hurricanes and don't have floating docks or areas with storm surges that could lift floating docks off their pilings boats do much better on land.

Yes, you can find pictures of problems on land but those are typically exceptional situations, like a row of boats falling in a domino effect. Or, in the case of Isabel, the water rising enough to lift a boat off the blocks and float it into electrical wires. But whenever there is damage to boats on land, there is almost always much more damage to boats in the water.

[Manders]

Only if they get the flight plan approved. You can't "just" fly a plane to another state on a whim, or without recording a flight plan.

OK... I can't stay on the sidelines anymore... time for some education people. I'm a working professional pilot and I own a small single engine aircraft (based at Ocala). I can fly it anywhere I wish anywhere in the country WITHOUT approval or notification using Visual Flight Rules (ie, stay out of clouds and below 18,000 feet). Now, I DO fly it IFR (flying in clouds) and all that requires is a 5 minute filing of a flight plan and then I take off. So YES, I can fly anywhere on a "Whim".

Now, why don't owners move their "toys"? Well, my insurance company will pay me to move it (cover the cost of fuel) but Where? I f I watched the forecast this weekend I would have move it south since he hurricane was showing moving towards the panhandle of FL, That would have been. huge mistake if I sent it to Ft Myers. Furthermore, I have a hangar in OCF, if I take it to another airport it would be tied down outside which is more dangerous than inside a secure hangar.

I did read where Naples airport told pilots who had airplanes on their airport to move them since their hangars were NO wind rated. However if you were in the middle of an inspection or maintenance issue it would have been impossible to move it.

For Boat owners, I assume it's the same. Where do you take it? If you were in Tampa do you head south or north? How long does it take to get to safe harbor? WHERE IS A SAFE HARBOR reachable in a few days. Do you have TIME to do it along with preparing to move your family to Safer areas...

[Michael G.]

We have a 51 foot boat that is berthed on the St. John’s River in Jacksonville. You say we should just sail these boats out of the area. Many of these boats are slow movers, ours cruises at roughly 10 knots. That’s 11.5 mph. That means that in 12 hours, with no current running against you and no wind pushing you back, you could move your boat a distance of 138 miles. Now, which direction do you run? Do you run south, where right now looks as though you would be in the clear if you can make the distance in time? And if you do, what if the hurricane shifts and takes a turn south? You may have left a now safe location and put yourself right in the new path of the hurricane.

Others have said, “just haul them out of the water”. Our boat is 65,000 pounds, that is over 32 tons. You don’t take the family pickup to pull these boats out. The marinas have lifts that can remove these boats from the water, and they can even block them and place them on land. But in order to get all those boats out of the water and blocked on land, (assuming there was enough room for all them), would take a week at best. A week out, forecast landfall is almost worthless. So, if all the Tampa marinas had hauled all their boats out and found some place for them, but Fort Myers didn’t because the hurricane was going north, what good would it have done. Secondly, with strong storm surge, the water rises, all those “yachts” as you call them, float free from their blocking and now are completely free.

What we did with our boat, and it took a couple days to do it, was to remove all canvas from the exterior, add extra lines and fenders. Turns out that we probably didn’t need to.

Hope this all explains why people don’t “simply” sail away or haul them out their boats. Responsible owners will take every precaution possible to protect their property, but a direct hit will do what it is going to do, just like with a house.

Lastly, large boats have to be insured with yacht insurance. Those are marine specialty insurance companies, and any money saved by them would not be going to rebuild houses.

Interesting, thanks.
Words spoken from a true yachtsman.
Now I wonder no more. :thumbup:

[ThirdOfFive]

Only if they get the flight plan approved. You can't "just" fly a plane to another state on a whim, or without recording a flight plan.
Depends on the location, type of airspace, etc. In general, Type G airspace is uncontrolled. You can fly an airplane from airport to airport as long as the airports are not themselves restricted in some way, through type G airspace VFR without filing a flight plan and crossing state lines doesn't matter. Not the brightest move one can make, but not mandated either.

[Driller703]

So hurricane Ian is here coming and the warnings have been going on for more than a week.

On the local news tomorrow, they will show all those beautiful muti-million-dollar yachts,
(I'm jealous), piled on top of one another.

Why didn't the owners take the time and get them out of the water or a safe harbor for the storm?
I sure some have.

Those insurance company's could be using that money to repair homes.

Thoughts?

The first and foremost thing that I always consider, irrespective of whether it will cost me tons of money, is how can I save the insurance company money so they can spend it on someone else. REALLY??!

[DAVES]

Just something you might not be aware of. Not every large boat is just a pleasure boat. Many are homes for individuals, couples, families with children. Also, many large and impressive yachts can be purchased far cheaper then one might realize. For many it is the least expensive home they could buy. To move your residence out of the possible path of what may, or may not, become a hurricane in a couple of weeks requires planning, provisioning, and the ability to take several weeks off at a moment's notice. For the truly wealthy, they either let insurance cover any damage, or have the hired captain and crew move it, but only if the owner tells them when and where to go.
Moving the boat to a safe place is not a luxury most boat owners have, practically speaking.

We are no where near large boats. I do not worry about SNOW either.

[fdpaq0580]

We are no where near large boats. I do not worry about SNOW either.

That is good to know. Thanks for the information. 😶

[DaleDivine]

That is good to know. Thanks for the information. 😶

:1rotfl::1rotfl::clap2:

[Catalina36]

So hurricane Ian is here coming and the warnings have been going on for more than a week.

On the local news tomorrow, they will show all those beautiful muti-million-dollar yachts,
(I'm jealous), piled on top of one another.

Why didn't the owners take the time and get them out of the water or a safe harbor for the storm?
I sure some have.

Those insurance company's could be using that money to repair homes.

Thoughts?

Up North on Long Island. Boat Insurance companies will pay for your boat to be short hauled out of the water if a Named Storm or Hurricane is coming.

[TCRSO]

There are several reasons large boats are not taken out of the water before a storm.
1. There are a limited number of lifts capable of lifting a large boat
2. boat yards have a limited amount of space to store boats. some of those will only accepts boats that the yard will be working on.
3. With an approaching storm, many yards will not accept boats for storage due to the possibility that the stored boats will be damaged and require removal or destruction.
4. Putting a boat on land will not protect it from storm surge.

[Michael G.]

There are several reasons large boats are not taken out of the water before a storm.
1. There are a limited number of lifts capable of lifting a large boat
2. boat yards have a limited amount of space to store boats. some of those will only accepts boats that the yard will be working on.
3. With an approaching storm, many yards will not accept boats for storage due to the possibility that the stored boats will be damaged and require removal or destruction.
4. Putting a boat on land will not protect it from storm surge.

Some great reasons here, thanks