Weather science

[alwann]

To those more learned than I:

Why don't we have technology capable of mitigating storms like Ian?

Sending people to the moon and back, and maybe Mars one day. This we can do. Smashing a device into an asteroid to change its direction, this we can do. Technology to deal with tropical storms before they become a danger? Doesn't seem like that's in the cards. Hey, there has to be a business opportunity in this. Memo to Elon Musk: Can't you invent a big old fan of some kind to change the paths of killer storms? I'd bet you'd make a bundle. :jester:

[MartinSE]

To those more learned than I:

Why don't we have technology capable of mitigating storms like Ian?

Sending people to the moon and back, and maybe Mars one day. This we can do. Smashing a device into an asteroid to change its direction, this we can do. Technology to deal with tropical storms before they become a danger? Doesn't seem like that's in the cards. Hey, there has to be a business opportunity in this. Memo to Elon Musk: Can't you invent a big old fan of some kind to change the paths of killer storms? I'd bet you'd make a bundle. :jester:

Easy to say, hard to do.

One suggestion put forward by "someone" was to drop a nuke on the storm while it was forming. ahem...

Messing with nature is not simple. Yes, there are ways we can change the development of the hurricane, the problem is there is no way to know what the side affects will be without doing it. We can model the changes, but many people don't believe models - ie. Climate Change.

So, we must tread lightly. I don't know if they still do it, but they used to seed tropical storms to cause them to rain more, the theory was if the storm lost it's water it would not be as bad as it would have been. I do not know if that is still practiced.

I can assure you if it were doable, it would be done. I am certain that people like DARPA are investigating it, but as I said, it is not a simple problem, and if we whoops, it could quite literal result in the environment not being habitable.

What you are asking for is called terra forming - it is a subject that is being studied, mostly at this point to convert a planet like Mars into something people could live on without living in domes.

So, we must tread carefully.

[Michael G.]

It seems the ocean water temperature has a lot to do with feeding those big Hurricanes.
Someday we will figure something out like stopping massive wildfires.

[Stu from NYC]

Mother nature is still much smarter than we are

[MrFlorida]

It's a prediction, the only profession where a guess is accepted as fact.

[MartinSE]

It's a prediction, the only profession where a guess is accepted as fact.

Sorry, I disagree with you. Almost every profession is based on guesses and predictions.

Metrology gets a bad rap because even the best predictions are not 100% accurate.

Virtually NOTHING in science is absolute, it all comes down to estimates, and the more we know the better the estimates. That is why so often scientists seem to contradict themselves. They aren't, they just learned more and the old predictions are no longer the best most accurate.

If you want perfect predictions, then go with religion, it is based on perfection... ahem...

[MartinSE]

Mother nature is still much smarter than we are

Mother Nature has had 13 billion years to figure out how to do something, and we expect scientists to figure out how to undo it in a year. ahem...

[Taltarzac725]

Hurricane Knowledge.com (http://hurricaneknowledge.com/)

Huge number of variables in predicting when and where hurricanes will land. And messing with them would just create more things to take into account.

It does look like the physics involved is a lot better than it was when I took physics classes in the 1970s.

[MartinSE]

Hurricane Knowledge.com (http://hurricaneknowledge.com/)

Huge number of variables in predicting when and where hurricanes will land. And messing with them would just create more things to take into account.

It does look like the physics involved is a lot better than it was when I took physics classes in the 1970s.

Yup, better and simpler explanation than mine - thank you

[Keefelane66]

To those more learned than I:

Why don't we have technology capable of mitigating storms like Ian?

Sending people to the moon and back, and maybe Mars one day. This we can do. Smashing a device into an asteroid to change its direction, this we can do. Technology to deal with tropical storms before they become a danger? Doesn't seem like that's in the cards. Hey, there has to be a business opportunity in this. Memo to Elon Musk: Can't you invent a big old fan of some kind to change the paths of killer storms? I'd bet you'd make a bundle. :jester:
We had someone with Sharpie and a suggestion to possibly use nuclear weapon to stop a hurricane.
Now since we don’t have enough CO2 in our atmosphere contributes to less tropical storms.

[coralway]

This is The Villages - science don't work here.

[sounding]

It's been tried several times, and is periodically discussed at the Weather Club -- and by those who flew into these storms and made hurricane forecasts. One example is Project Stormfury. On a related subject, a post-analysis of Hurricane IAN will be presented at the next Weather Club meeting ... The Villages Weather Club (https://www.theweatherclubvillages.com/)

[fdpaq0580]

In her attempt to reassure me, DW told me the hurricane wouldn't hurt us because The Villages bubble protects us. I feel so safe now. 😏😍

[heron848]

It's a prediction, the only profession where a guess is accepted as fact.

I was a real estate appraiser for over 35 years. Every appraisal report I completed was an “opinion of value” (a guess, but a well-educated guess) which everyone who read the report interpreted as fact. Meteorology is not unique in this regard.

[Climoge]

Because we are not God.

[ithos]

It has been tried.

FAQ: Attempts to Stop a Hurricane in its Track

Hurricane FAQ - NOAA's Atlantic Oceanographic and Meteorological Laboratory (https://www.aoml.noaa.gov/hrd-faq/#Stop)

[Worldseries27]

easy to say, hard to do.

One suggestion put forward by "someone" was to drop a nuke on the storm while it was forming. Ahem...

Messing with nature is not simple. Yes, there are ways we can change the development of the hurricane, the problem is there is no way to know what the side affects will be without doing it. We can model the changes, but many people don't believe models - ie. Climate change.

So, we must tread lightly. I don't know if they still do it, but they used to seed tropical storms to cause them to rain more, the theory was if the storm lost it's water it would not be as bad as it would have been. I do not know if that is still practiced.

I can assure you if it were doable, it would be done. I am certain that people like darpa are investigating it, but as i said, it is not a simple problem, and if we whoops, it could quite literal result in the environment not being habitable.

What you are asking for is called terra forming - it is a subject that is being studied, mostly at this point to convert a planet like mars into something people could live on without living in domes.

So, we must tread carefully.
to your first point.
To prevent the hurricane you would need to channel it's cause the african heat.
To your second point.
Terra forming mars at this point of our scientific abilities will be to introduce a hearty antarctica moss that in theory will produce a pressurized breathable atmosphere centuries in the future

[waterflower]

In a very short period of time, after the EBS is alarmed we will find out many lies. Weather manipulation (HAARP) is one of many weapons to use against us. Destroy our economy, communities etc. Remember they will take down a passenger aircraft to get just one person. We have been lied to about many things. Stay tuned folks..

[nhtexasrn]

To those more learned than I:

Why don't we have technology capable of mitigating storms like Ian?

Sending people to the moon and back, and maybe Mars one day. This we can do. Smashing a device into an asteroid to change its direction, this we can do. Technology to deal with tropical storms before they become a danger? Doesn't seem like that's in the cards. Hey, there has to be a business opportunity in this. Memo to Elon Musk: Can't you invent a big old fan of some kind to change the paths of killer storms? I'd bet you'd make a bundle. :jester:
In my opinion, when you pick a fight with Mother Nature, Mother Nature will win.

[Two Bills]

In a very short period of time, after the EBS is alarmed we will find out many lies. Weather manipulation (HAARP) is one of many weapons to use against us. Destroy our economy, communities etc. Remember they will take down a passenger aircraft to get just one person. We have been lied to about many things. Stay tuned folks..

Robot or human? (https://www.walmart.com/browse/household-essentials/foil/1115193_1073264_9780411)

[Carlsondm]

Hurricane Knowledge.com (http://hurricaneknowledge.com/)

Huge number of variables in predicting when and where hurricanes will land. And messing with them would just create more things to take into account.

It does look like the physics involved is a lot better than it was when I took physics classes in the 1970s.
Models are tweaked with each storm. They get better and better, but using them is an art. I was a model improver, validator for many years.
Some of nature’s actions are not controllable - ie volcanoes, fires, burping cows. There are many things we can control and that is what many countries focus on. Control and take charge or be a victim.

[DAVES]

Easy to say, hard to do.

One suggestion put forward by "someone" was to drop a nuke on the storm while it was forming. ahem...

Messing with nature is not simple. Yes, there are ways we can change the development of the hurricane, the problem is there is no way to know what the side affects will be without doing it. We can model the changes, but many people don't believe models - ie. Climate Change.

So, we must tread lightly. I don't know if they still do it, but they used to seed tropical storms to cause them to rain more, the theory was if the storm lost it's water it would not be as bad as it would have been. I do not know if that is still practiced.

I can assure you if it were doable, it would be done. I am certain that people like DARPA are investigating it, but as I said, it is not a simple problem, and if we whoops, it could quite literal result in the environment not being habitable.

What you are asking for is called terra forming - it is a subject that is being studied, mostly at this point to convert a planet like Mars into something people could live on without living in domes.

So, we must tread carefully.

People simply do not understand. We have altered the natural state ie The Villages and then complain about the problems in this new altered state.

Nature is a balance. You change one thing, anything and other things will change for a new balance. Not all change is good or bad it is what it is change.

Florida, many things have been introduced by man. Iguannas, Marina toads, Anacondas are just a few of them.

[DAVES]

In a very short period of time, after the EBS is alarmed we will find out many lies. Weather manipulation (HAARP) is one of many weapons to use against us. Destroy our economy, communities etc. Remember they will take down a passenger aircraft to get just one person. We have been lied to about many things. Stay tuned folks..

Deep and unanserable. There are theories that the climate change that destroyed the dinosaurs was caused by volcanic eruptions and another therory that it was caused by the impact from a comit or asteroid. Atomic bombs? Tons of scify novels about our own self destruction. Lied to? Imagine our LEADERS saying we are in deep poop and I see no way this will end well. Do we really want TRUTH?

[golfing eagles]

To those more learned than I:

Why don't we have technology capable of mitigating storms like Ian?

Sending people to the moon and back, and maybe Mars one day. This we can do. Smashing a device into an asteroid to change its direction, this we can do. Technology to deal with tropical storms before they become a danger? Doesn't seem like that's in the cards. Hey, there has to be a business opportunity in this. Memo to Elon Musk: Can't you invent a big old fan of some kind to change the paths of killer storms? I'd bet you'd make a bundle. :jester:

Probably not possible in the near future. According to NASA, an average hurricane releases the energy equivalent of 10,000 nuclear bombs. We would have to ask Scotty to give us a matter-antimatter reactor to match that.

So, here's an even better idea---harness the energy. According to the Smithsonian, an average hurricane generates 600 terawatts of energy, the entire worlds power output is about 5.2 terawatts. Grab 1% of a cat 3 storm and the entire world can have free electric power

[Stu from NYC]

Probably not possible in the near future. According to NASA, an average hurricane releases the energy equivalent of 10,000 nuclear bombs. We would have to ask Scotty to give us a matter-antimatter reactor to match that.

So, here's an even better idea---harness the energy. According to the Smithsonian, an average hurricane generates 600 terawatts of energy, the entire worlds power output is about 5.2 terawatts. Grab 1% of a cat 3 storm and the entire world can have free electric power

OK going to go into my workshop and build a machine to harness the energy of hurricanes. Anybody want to buy shares of stock in my new venture? Guaranteed rate of return.

[tuccillo]

No, not really. Changes to operational Numerical Weather Prediction models is done on a planned schedule. Usually a package of changes that have been tested in parallel against operations and selected retrospective cases will be implemented. You might see upgrades every year or so. I was a developer at NCEP and put many model improvements into operations.

Models are tweaked with each storm. They get better and better, but using them is an art. I was a model improver, validator for many years.
Some of nature’s actions are not controllable - ie volcanoes, fires, burping cows. There are many things we can control and that is what many countries focus on. Control and take charge or be a victim.

[golfing eagles]

OK going to go into my workshop and build a machine to harness the energy of hurricanes. Anybody want to buy shares of stock in my new venture? Guaranteed rate of return.

Giant, extra strong windmills????:1rotfl::1rotfl::1rotfl:

[spinner1001]

To those more learned than I:

Why don't we have technology capable of mitigating storms like Ian?

Sending people to the moon and back, and maybe Mars one day. This we can do. Smashing a device into an asteroid to change its direction, this we can do. Technology to deal with tropical storms before they become a danger? Doesn't seem like that's in the cards. Hey, there has to be a business opportunity in this. Memo to Elon Musk: Can't you invent a big old fan of some kind to change the paths of killer storms? I'd bet you'd make a bundle. :jester:

Mainly because of the law of unintended consequences. Look at the environmental section of this page for examples.

Unintended consequences - Wikipedia (https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Unintended_consequences)

[JMintzer]

OK going to go into my workshop and build a machine to harness the energy of hurricanes. Anybody want to buy shares of stock in my new venture? Guaranteed rate of return.

We already have "top people" working on it...

https://www.looper.com/img/gallery/the-surprising-way-christopher-lloyd-compares-doc-brown-to-rick-sanchez/l-intro-1631125270.jpg

[Indydealmaker]

To those more learned than I:

Why don't we have technology capable of mitigating storms like Ian?

Sending people to the moon and back, and maybe Mars one day. This we can do. Smashing a device into an asteroid to change its direction, this we can do. Technology to deal with tropical storms before they become a danger? Doesn't seem like that's in the cards. Hey, there has to be a business opportunity in this. Memo to Elon Musk: Can't you invent a big old fan of some kind to change the paths of killer storms? I'd bet you'd make a bundle. :jester:

We can't prevent severe weather for the same reason we can't stop climate cycles.

[Keefelane66]

2017
Thousands in Florida Sign Up to Shoot Guns at Hurricane Irma
God bless Florida. We surely don’t field the brightest people in the world!
Thousands in Florida Sign Up to Shoot Guns at Hurricane Irma | GQ (https://www.gq.com/story/-shooting-hurricane-irma)

[jimbomaybe]

2017
Thousands in Florida Sign Up to Shoot Guns at Hurricane Irma
God bless Florida. We surely don’t field the brightest people in the world!
Thousands in Florida Sign Up to Shoot Guns at Hurricane Irma | GQ (https://www.gq.com/story/-shooting-hurricane-irma)
Lacking a firearm I ate large quantiles of beans and ignited the result

[JMintzer]

Lacking a firearm I ate large quantiles of beans and ignited the result

So YOU'RE the cause of Global Warming? :laugh:

[Driller703]

Hurricane Knowledge.com (http://hurricaneknowledge.com/)

Huge number of variables in predicting when and where hurricanes will land. And messing with them would just create more things to take into account.

It does look like the physics involved is a lot better than it was when I took physics classes in the 1970s.

Try the Navier-Stokes equation. That would be a nice pass time.

[fdpaq0580]

2017
Thousands in Florida Sign Up to Shoot Guns at Hurricane Irma
God bless Florida. We surely don’t field the brightest people in the world!
Thousands in Florida Sign Up to Shoot Guns at Hurricane Irma | GQ (https://www.gq.com/story/-shooting-hurricane-irma)

If, instead of guns, they all had Whammo Air Blasters it would have worked. 😦