South Meggison Rd Roundabouts [Archive] - Talk of The Villages Florida

Glorantha

10-01-2022, 09:31 PM

Oldragbagger

10-01-2022, 10:32 PM

Between SR-44 and Sawgrass Grove I counted eight roundabouts. We also have tunnels on Meggison to cross under Morse Blvd, Under Warm Springs Ave, and a couple that take you from one side of Meggison to the other so we can access various communities and also the Water Lily Bridge and the Brownwood Bridge.

Dotneko

10-02-2022, 04:50 AM

Rainger99

10-02-2022, 05:40 AM

I don’t see any roundabouts on the new southern portion of Meggison Rd. Is this something that’s added after the heavier construction phase is complete? I also don’t see any golf cart tunnels on this section of Meggison. I foresee this road being pretty busy after this portion of TV is built out.

It looks like this section of Meggison is going to be similar to Morse from 27/441 down to 466.

VApeople

10-02-2022, 07:06 AM

I don’t see any roundabouts on the new southern portion of Meggison Rd. Is this something that’s added after the heavier construction phase is complete? I also don’t see any golf cart tunnels on this section of Meggison.

Below Sawgrass, Meggison becomes a 2-lane road with golf cart lanes along the side, just like Moyer, Hillsborough, and Pinellas. Roads like that do not have roundabouts or golf cart tunnels.

I foresee this road being pretty busy after this portion of TV is built out.

Yeah, I agree.

Altavia

10-02-2022, 07:14 AM

I don’t see any roundabouts on the new southern portion of Meggison Rd. Is this something that’s added after the heavier construction phase is complete?

Nope.

Oldragbagger

10-02-2022, 09:28 AM

I believe the OP is talking about beyond Sawgrass on the Orlando side. I don't know that there are any roundabouts or tunnels down there. I agree it will be busy. Especially when bexley bridge goes in.

Thanks for clarifying. The last time we were down that way Meggison Road was still closed so we haven’t been able to venture past where construction starts for the Village of Newell. Maybe we need to give it another try today and see what’s going on down there. 🙂

John Mayes

10-02-2022, 09:34 AM

Thanks for clarifying. The last time we were down that way Meggison Road was still closed so we haven’t been able to venture past where construction starts for the Village of Newell. Maybe we need to give it another try today and see what’s going on down there. 🙂

If I’m not mistaken, I think it’s still closed to normal auto and cart traffic.

Altavia

10-02-2022, 10:52 AM

Thanks for clarifying. The last time we were down that way Meggison Road was still closed so we haven’t been able to venture past where construction starts for the Village of Newell. Maybe we need to give it another try today and see what’s going on down there. 🙂

This issue of Continuing the Dream includes a planned road map.

Continuing The Dream: Volume 3 (https://www.nxtbook.com/thevillages/TheVillages/ContinuingTheDream_Vol3/index.php)

JMintzer

10-02-2022, 11:43 AM

Don't they have gates on Meggison, starting at or just below St Catherine?

Kenswing

10-02-2022, 12:28 PM

Don't they have gates on Meggison, starting at or just below St Catherine?

Yes. It’s where the MMP ends and joins Meggison. I’m guessing it’s to give the golf carts a fighting chance to cross the road safely.

coffeebean

10-02-2022, 05:25 PM

It looks like this section of Meggison is going to be similar to Morse from 27/441 down to 466.

Why would "they" do that? South of 466 is an improvement of that section of Morse Blvd. Why go backwards?

Rainger99

10-02-2022, 06:15 PM

Why would "they" do that? South of 466 is an improvement of that section of Morse Blvd. Why go backwards?

From reading other posts on other topics, we have been told that the developer is a billionaire and knows what he is doing and doesn’t make mistakes. Let’s hope that is true!

Dotneko

10-02-2022, 07:56 PM

If I’m not mistaken, I think it’s still closed to normal auto and cart traffic.

Its partially paved. We drive down occassionally on sundays when there are no workers. There are going to be some really nice lots there.

VApeople

10-02-2022, 08:09 PM

Why would "they" do that? South of 466 is an improvement of that section of Morse Blvd. Why go backwards?

Maybe because "they" think that part of Meggison will have no more traffic than roads like Moyer and Pinellas, so a simple 2-lane road will be sufficient.

Rainger99

10-02-2022, 08:18 PM

Maybe because "they" think that part of Meggison will have no more traffic than roads like Moyer and Pinellas, so a simple 2-lane road will be sufficient.

That part of Meggison is going to the main route to and from the Turnpike for people living below 44 and north of the turnpike. This includes Bradford, Hawkins, St Catherine, Citrus Grove, Cason Hammock, Newell, and Lake Denham - and probably for a lot of people who live north of 44 who don't want to go farther north and west to the Wildwood exit.

I don't think that Moyer and Pinellas are main routes to anywhere.

Oldragbagger

10-02-2022, 09:43 PM

This issue of Continuing the Dream includes a planned road map.

Continuing The Dream: Volume 3 (https://www.nxtbook.com/thevillages/TheVillages/ContinuingTheDream_Vol3/index.php)

Yep…..looks pretty straight.

VApeople

10-02-2022, 09:47 PM

That part of Meggison is going to the main route to and from the Turnpike for people living below 44 and north of the turnpike. This includes Bradford, Hawkins, St Catherine, Citrus Grove, Cason Hammock, Newell, and Lake Denham - and probably for a lot of people who live north of 44 who don't want to go farther north and west to the Wildwood exit.

I don't think that Moyer and Pinellas are main routes to anywhere.

Those are very valid points. Maybe the Developer didn't think things thru as thoroughly as you have.

midiwiz

10-03-2022, 05:55 AM

From reading other posts on other topics, we have been told that the developer is a billionaire and knows what he is doing and doesn’t make mistakes. Let’s hope that is true!

It's good to see humor in this thread (or any) I needed a real good laugh this morning !!!

TNLAKEPANDA

10-03-2022, 08:19 AM

Round a Bouts are dangerous …. Pay close attention when you are in one!

bark4me

10-03-2022, 08:44 AM

Further south like the post reads

sowilts

10-03-2022, 09:12 AM

Also no tunnel to access Southern Oaks golf course.

Altavia

10-03-2022, 10:13 AM

Marsh Bend will be 4 lanes south to 470 so the fastest through route

The speed limit is low enough on that section of Meggison to make that route as unattractive as it is with Marsh Bend trail between 301 and Warm Springs.

VApeople

10-03-2022, 10:45 AM

The speed limit is low enough on that section of Meggison to make that route as unattractive as it is with Marsh Bend trail between 301 and Warm Springs.

Have you driven on Marsh Bend Trail since they opened it up to 301?

Some people drive pretty fast.

Altavia

10-03-2022, 10:59 AM

Have you driven on Marsh Bend Trail since they opened it up to 301?

Some people drive pretty fast.

Yes and I agree but a different topic.

JMintzer

10-03-2022, 11:19 AM

Yes. It’s where the MMP ends and joins Meggison. I’m guessing it’s to give the golf carts a fighting chance to cross the road safely.

So, in other words, just like what they have on Moyer Loop...

Oldragbagger

10-03-2022, 04:03 PM

Also no tunnel to access Southern Oaks golf course.

There already is access to that side, it's just a little weird getting to it. If you are on the Sawgrass Market side of the road you have to go a little bit south to where the MMP ends and golf carts have to go into the street. You cross over Meggison and get back on the MMP going north on the other side and it will take you there.

VApeople

10-03-2022, 04:55 PM

Warm Springs will be 4 lanes south to 470 so the fastest through route

Yes, Warm Springs is 4-lane but it does not intersect 470.

Rainger99

10-03-2022, 06:25 PM

Warm Springs will be 4 lanes south to 470 so the fastest through route

I think you meant Marsh Bend Trail. However, it isn't the fastest route if you live near Sawgrass. You would have to drive north to Warm Springs, west to Marsh Bend, south to 470, and east to the Turnpike.

Rainger99

10-03-2022, 06:29 PM

There already is access to that side, it's just a little weird getting to it. If you are on the Sawgrass Market side of the road you have to go a little bit south to where the MMP ends and golf carts have to go into the street. You cross over Meggison and get back on the MMP going north on the other side and it will take you there.

There is access - but no tunnel. That is what makes it dangerous. From Brownwood down to Sawgrass Grove, golf carts do not cross Meggison and they do not have a lane on Meggison. Then when you get to Sawgrass Grove, carts have a cart lane and they cross Meggison.

It looks like the developer is more focused on saving money than on safety south of Sawgrass Grove.

Dotneko

10-03-2022, 07:11 PM

There is access - but no tunnel. That is what makes it dangerous. From Brownwood down to Sawgrass Grove, golf carts do not cross Meggison and they do not have a lane on Meggison. Then when you get to Sawgrass Grove, carts have a cart lane and they cross Meggison.

It looks like the developer is more focused on saving money than on safety south of Sawgrass Grove.

Wait - coming from Brownwood, you cross Meggison 4 times just to warm spring avenue.
You dont cross it again all the way to sawgrass.

Altavia

10-03-2022, 07:58 PM

I think you meant Marsh Bend Trail. However, it isn't the fastest route if you live near Sawgrass. You would have to drive north to Warm Springs, west to Marsh Bend, south to 470, and east to the Turnpike.

Correct - brain fart ;-)

I was thinking more people coming from north of WS would be better off taking MBT.

But they are rerouting 470 with multiple roundabouts so who knows...

Rainger99

10-03-2022, 07:59 PM

Wait - coming from Brownwood, you cross Meggison 4 times just to warm spring avenue.
You dont cross it again all the way to sawgrass.

Where do the carts cross Meggison between Brownwood and Warm Springs?

Kenswing

10-03-2022, 08:58 PM

Where do the carts cross Meggison between Brownwood and Warm Springs?

Near the Water Lily bridge.

VApeople

10-03-2022, 08:59 PM

Then when you get to Sawgrass Grove, carts have a cart lane and they cross Meggison.

Yeah, that is how it is on 2-lane roads like Moyer, Pinellas, and Meggison (south of Sawgrass).

JMintzer

10-04-2022, 06:51 AM

There is access - but no tunnel. That is what makes it dangerous. From Brownwood down to Sawgrass Grove, golf carts do not cross Meggison and they do not have a lane on Meggison. Then when you get to Sawgrass Grove, carts have a cart lane and they cross Meggison.

It looks like the developer is more focused on saving money than on safety south of Sawgrass Grove.

Yes, I'm sure they saved a bundle on a billion dollar construction project by leaving out one tunnel...

Oldragbagger

10-04-2022, 07:54 AM

Where do the carts cross Meggison between Brownwood and Warm Springs?

There are tunnels, one under Meggison Rd just south of the 44, one near Water Lily Bridge, one under Meggison Road north of Warm Springs Ave., another under Meggison Rd at the intersection of Warm Springs Ave.

Here is a link to the location of all tunnels.
http://https://www.districtgov.org/community/pdfs/Tunnel%20Website%20Sheet.pdf (https://www.districtgov.org/community/pdfs/Tunnel%20Website%20Sheet.pdf")

Rainger99

10-04-2022, 08:21 AM

Wait - coming from Brownwood, you cross Meggison 4 times just to warm spring avenue.
You dont cross it again all the way to sawgrass.

There are several underpasses that go under Meggison between Brownwood and Warm Springs but there are no at grade crossings like the one at Southern Oaks.

The OP seemed to be talking about safety. I think most people would agree that using an underpass to go from one side of Meggison to the other side (do you cross a road when you go underneath it) is much safer than crossing at grade like Morse north of 466 and Meggison south of Sawgrass.

It would be interesting to find out the reason why Meggison is four lanes with a median north of Sawgrass and two lanes with no median south of Sawgrass.

Kenswing

10-04-2022, 08:34 AM

There are several underpasses that go under Meggison between Brownwood and Warm Springs but there are no at grade crossings like the one at Southern Oaks.

The OP seemed to be talking about safety. I think most people would agree that using an underpass to go from one side of Meggison to the other side (do you cross a road when you go underneath it) is much safer than crossing at grade like Morse north of 466 and Meggison south of Sawgrass.

It would be interesting to find out the reason why Meggison is four lanes with a median north of Sawgrass and two lanes with no median south of Sawgrass. It might have been a county decision. The Lake and Sumter County line is in that vicinity.

Rainger99

10-04-2022, 08:47 AM

It might have been a county decision. The Lake and Sumter County line is in that vicinity.

According to google maps, it is about 5200 feet from where it goes two lane to the Lake County line. And I would expect that road design safety doesn't change from Sumter to Lake - but I am not an engineer.

It would be nice to find out why they changed it.

Kenswing

10-04-2022, 08:49 AM

According to google maps, it is about 5200 feet from where it goes two lane to the Lake County line. And I would expect that road design safety doesn't change from Sumter to Lake - but I am not an engineer.

It would be nice to find out why they changed it.

Start making some phone calls. I doubt you’ll find your answer here.

Altavia

10-04-2022, 11:22 AM

/// duplicate post...

Altavia

10-04-2022, 11:29 AM

There are several underpasses that go under Meggison between Brownwood and Warm Springs but there are no at grade crossings like the one at Southern Oaks.

The OP seemed to be talking about safety. I think most people would agree that using an underpass to go from one side of Meggison to the other side (do you cross a road when you go underneath it) is much safer than crossing at grade like Morse north of 466 and Meggison south of Sawgrass.

It would be interesting to find out the reason why Meggison is four lanes with a median north of Sawgrass and two lanes with no median south of Sawgrass.

Maybe to divert traffic across the new Turnpike bridge and roads on that side (past the new medical center)?

Is McNeal Dr or Bexely Trail going to be 4 lane?

Dotneko

10-04-2022, 03:25 PM

Where do the carts cross Meggison between Brownwood and Warm Springs?
There are 4 tunnels. I was responding to carts crossing Meggison. They get from one side to the other via the tunnels.

Rainger99

10-04-2022, 03:38 PM

There are 4 tunnels. I was responding to carts crossing Meggison. They get from one side to the other via the tunnels.

I think that is the point of the OP. Glorantha stated "I also don’t see any golf cart tunnels on this section of Meggison."

North Meggison (area north of Sawgrass) seems much safer than South Meggison (area south of Sawgrass). There is a multi-modal path on North Meggison down to Sawgrass. The multi-modal path continues south of Sawgrass but for some reason, golf carts are banned at that point and carts are forced to use the street - much like Morse north of 466.

I have tried to find out why Meggison goes from 4 lanes to 2 lanes and why they force golf carts into the vehicle traffic at this point but have had no success. I have called but no one either knows the answer or, if they do know, they refuse to disclose it. If the developer won't tell us when the entertainment will start at Sawgrass (other than coming shortly), I can't see them telling us why they designed the streets this way.

John Mayes

10-04-2022, 03:54 PM

I think that is the point of the OP. Glorantha stated "I also don’t see any golf cart tunnels on this section of Meggison."

North Meggison (area north of Sawgrass) seems much safer than South Meggison (area south of Sawgrass). There is a multi-modal path on North Meggison down to Sawgrass. The multi-modal path continues south of Sawgrass but for some reason, golf carts are banned at that point and carts are forced to use the street - much like Morse north of 466.

I have tried to find out why Meggison goes from 4 lanes to 2 lanes and why they force golf carts into the vehicle traffic at this point but have had no success. I have called but no one either knows the answer or, if they do know, they refuse to disclose it. If the developer won't tell us when the entertainment will start at Sawgrass (other than coming shortly), I can't see them telling us why they designed the streets this way.

I think, like was stated before, it was designed to encourage traffic across the soon to be Bexley bridge and hopefully reduce traffic south of Sawgrass to mainly residents of those villages.