Climate Change Discussions

[Byte1]

"Just because of paper credentials". So, you never believe doctors, lawyers, teachers, scientists of any kind because they all have paper credentials?
We don't raise or lower the oceans any more then you raise or lower the electric windows of your car. Our actions affect climate change which raise or lower the oceans. You assist the raising or lowering of your windows by pushing the button which activates an electric motor that raises the window.
"You think you are powerful enough to stop the rotation of the Earth". Rotation of the planet, axis tilt, orbital track are all things that could affect climate change, but they are not the only things and they are not the current subject being under discussion. The subject is the affects of unhealthy ecosystems of our planet that are contributing to the speeding up of climate change. And, No, I am not strong enough. But, with the 8 billion other humans with all their industry and destruction and poisoning of our oceans, forests and air, we are having an impact. And it ain't good.

P.S., Don't want your money. Just want you to be aware of this situation so you will understand when others begin trying to repair the damage. No need to panic.


YET.

So, you never believe doctors, lawyers, teachers, scientists of any kind because they all have paper credentials?
Never? Actually, you haven't heard of "getting a second opinion?" Well, there are other scientists that do NOT believe in MAN CAUSED climate change. And when those supposed scientists cannot show any proof of man caused, and still ask us to believe them, well.....at least a child misses his/her tooth placed under their pillow and believes their parents when they tell them that the Tooth Fairy exists. How about some proof? When it gets dark outside, it doesn't mean that the Sun was extinguished, even if a scientist was to tell us this.

The subject is the affects of unhealthy ecosystems of our planet that are contributing to the speeding up of climate change. All I suggest is that if you make a statement regarding an absolute, prove it. I believe in air pollution being a problem, even though the air is better today than it was when I was a child. I DON'T believe that the air pollution is "contributing to the speeding up of climate change" The climate has changed every day since the beginning of time and I haven't seen any evidence or proof that man has contributed to it.

P.S., Don't want your money. No, you don't want my money, but the government does. Tax money going toward this fallacy will cost EVERYONE and many of us can find better things to do with our taxes than paying professional grifters.

[golfing eagles]

When you join do they put more money under your pillow when you lose a tooth?

Asking for a friend.

Quite the opposite. They brainwash you into their cult and try to extort over $100 trillion from you and your children over the next 28 years. (Unless of course you are lucky enough to be in on the joke and cash in----can anyone spell "Solyndra":1rotfl::1rotfl::1rotfl:)

[golfing eagles]

[COLOR="Red"] ... When it gets dark outside, it doesn't mean that the Sun was extinguished, even if a scientist was to tell us this.


Come on. EVERYONE knows it gets dark when the god Appollo caries the sun god below the horizon in his chariot :1rotfl::1rotfl::1rotfl:

[Byte1]

That was an excellent post and I hope that some forum readers are able to take it in with an open mind. I can see the points about ice ages and earth changes over millions of years. But, I can't see how that in ANY WAY negates the fact that we are dealing today with RECENT changes of warming caused by mankind (and in this case man -cruel to itself) Scientists measure temperatures at various points around the planet. And from those measurements, The FACT has emerged that the last 8 years are the warmest in weather recorded history.

I can't ignore that fact and I am confused as to how that is controversial. And I have pointed out many, many other issues.

"RECORDED HISTORY." Seems like (if I remember correctly in my old age) that I learned in grade school science class that we once had tropical weather throughout this continent. Seems also that there was once a time of glacier movement in this continent that created some of our mountain ranges. They did not teach us that the major climate change was man caused. They didn't even mention the existence of humans during that time/period. Of course, that was what was taught in the "olden" days so they may be teaching it differently now. Along with there being more than two genders....:a20:

[fdpaq0580]

And so the mutual admiration division of the International Tooth Fairy Club rolls on.......

Ha! Pretty good try for comedic insult, but I can't quite figure whose style you're following. Is it Don Rickles, the angry guy with insults for everyone? I liked him.

[golfing eagles]

Ha! Pretty good try for comedic insult, but I can't quite figure whose style you're following. Is it Don Rickles, the angry guy with insults for everyone? I liked him.

Kind of a fusion of Don Rickles, Paul Lynde, Henny Youngman, Alan King and Rodney Dangerfield. I like to think of it as my own original style. Of course, it's quite easy when I keep getting fed straight lines. :1rotfl::1rotfl::1rotfl:

[Bay Kid]

Follow the money.

[tvbound]

Follow the money.


"Follow the money."


Excellent idea.


"Revealed: oil sector’s ‘staggering’ $3bn-a-day profits for last 50 years. Vast sums provide power to ‘buy every politician’ and delay action on climate crisis, says expert."

Revealed: oil sector’s ‘staggering’ $3bn-a-day profits for last 50 years | Fossil fuels | The Guardian (/environment/2022/jul/21/revealed-oil-sectors-staggering-profits-last-50-years)

[Byte1]

The fossil fuel industry provides billions in tax revenue, not to mention what the gov reaps from taxing thousands of oil employees and the states' taxes on a gallon of fuel.

[fdpaq0580]

So, you never believe doctors, lawyers, teachers, scientists of any kind because they all have paper credentials?
Never? Actually, you haven't heard of "getting a second opinion?" Well, there are other scientists that do NOT believe in MAN CAUSED climate change. And when those supposed scientists cannot show any proof of man caused, and still ask us to believe them, well.....at least a child misses his/her tooth placed under their pillow and believes their parents when they tell them that the Tooth Fairy exists. How about some proof? When it gets dark outside, it doesn't mean that the Sun was extinguished, even if a scientist was to tell us this.

The subject is the affects of unhealthy ecosystems of our planet that are contributing to the speeding up of climate change. All I suggest is that if you make a statement regarding an absolute, prove it. I believe in air pollution being a problem, even though the air is better today than it was when I was a child. I DON'T believe that the air pollution is "contributing to the speeding up of climate change" The climate has changed every day since the beginning of time and I haven't seen any evidence or proof that man has contributed to it.

P.S., Don't want your money. No, you don't want my money, but the government does. Tax money going toward this fallacy will cost EVERYONE and many of us can find better things to do with our taxes than paying professional grifters.

Second opinion? Of course. Not 1, or 2, but 3 separate needle biopsies said "no cancer". They were wrong. I owe my life to getting the correct information, not a small bit that makes me feel good or supports what I would like to hear.
And to the oft repeated retort of "prove it", how about this response, "disprove it".
As to "MAN CAUSED climate change", humans didn't cause climate change, but our massive population and our destructive ways "greased the skids" to speed it up.

[fdpaq0580]

Why is it that the climate doomsayers always want the other side to have an open mind but refuse to open their own minds? Just curious.

Having an open mind is how we "doomsayers" are able to look at and evaluate all the evidence rather than only that which support our preconceived/preferred beliefs.

[fdpaq0580]

Kind of a fusion of Don Rickles, Paul Lynde, Henny Youngman, Alan King and Rodney Dangerfield. I like to think of it as my own original style. Of course, it's quite easy when I keep getting fed straight lines. :1rotfl::1rotfl::1rotfl:

I'll do my best to try and supply you with suitable material. 😀

[jimjamuser]

The fossil fuel industry provides billions in tax revenue, not to mention what the gov reaps from taxing thousands of oil employees and the states' taxes on a gallon of fuel.
As far as tax revenue to the US (or any country for that matter), many more JOBS are being created in the clean energy field. That is the trend for the future. The newest generation of nuclear power plants has safety advantages and better waste fuel elimination over older nuclear plants. Clean energy innovation is producing lower-cost energy and cleaner air and water. There are better uses for OIL than just burning it up into the atmosphere. - such as for medicines and many other products.

So, for jobs, cleaner air, and medicines, as much oil as possible should be left in the ground. To accomplish that, EVs and other zero-pollution engines should be used in automotive applications as much as possible with government incentives. The main goal is to reduce the rate of increase of climate change by about 2050. People today owe that to our future generations.

[golfing eagles]

Having an open mind is how we "doomsayers" are able to look at and evaluate all the evidence rather than only that which support our preconceived/preferred beliefs.

Well, here's the whole irony of this thread. The brainwashed, misinformed climate change advocates will eventually be "right". Yes, oceans will rise and our coastal cities will be underwater. (Just as some ancient cities built 12,000 years ago on what was then the coastline are now underwater, without any help from fossil fuels I may add). And guess what, human activity MAY, I'll repeat MAY (and it's a BIG MAY) accelerate that day by 3-5,000 years so that it comes 22,000 years into the future (NOT next Tuesday). I just hope the decedents of these true believers don't crow "we were right", when all that happened is a minor blip in a cycle going on for millions of years. If they do, they'd be just as wrong as their current day ancestors.

[golfing eagles]

I'll do my best to try and supply you with suitable material. 😀

You and some others are doing a great job. Keep up the good work!!!!

[golfing eagles]

As far as tax revenue to the US (or any country for that matter), many more JOBS are being created in the clean energy field. That is the trend for the future. The newest generation of nuclear power plants has safety advantages and better waste fuel elimination over older nuclear plants. Clean energy innovation is producing lower-cost energy and cleaner air and water. There are better uses for OIL than just burning it up into the atmosphere. - such as for medicines and many other products.

So, for jobs, cleaner air, and medicines, as much oil as possible should be left in the ground. To accomplish that, EVs and other zero-pollution engines should be used in automotive applications as much as possible with government incentives. The main goal is to reduce the rate of increase of climate change by about 2050. People today owe that to our future generations.

Maybe, but those future generations will be born about 25,000 years from now. So I hope everyone realizes by that time they will be as far ahead of us as we are ahead of the Neanderthals. (well, most of us anyway :1rotfl::1rotfl::1rotfl:

[Byte1]

Second opinion? Of course. Not 1, or 2, but 3 separate needle biopsies said "no cancer". They were wrong. I owe my life to getting the correct information, not a small bit that makes me feel good or supports what I would like to hear.
And to the oft repeated retort of "prove it", how about this response, "disprove it".
As to "MAN CAUSED climate change", humans didn't cause climate change, but our massive population and our destructive ways "greased the skids" to speed it up.

DISPROVE a negative? How's that work? No one has proved mans intervention in climate change yet, so I'm not ready to throw trillions into a theory. I insist to my wife that if I wash the car, it will definitely rain. How do I know that? Because almost every time I wash my car, it rains. Therefore, it proves my theory. Man exists and the climate changes, therefore it MUST be caused by man, right? Let's not mention that the climate has changed drastically before man existed. Scientists say that, so it must be right according to you, right?

[fdpaq0580]

Well, here's the whole irony of this thread. The brainwashed, misinformed climate change advocates will eventually be "right". Yes, oceans will rise and our coastal cities will be underwater. (Just as some ancient cities built 12,000 years ago on what was then the coastline are now underwater, without any help from fossil fuels I may add). And guess what, human activity MAY, I'll repeat MAY (and it's a BIG MAY) accelerate that day by 3-5,000 years so that it comes 22,000 years into the future (NOT next Tuesday). I just hope the decedents of these true believers don't crow "we were right", when all that happened is a minor blip in a cycle going on for millions of years. If they do, they'd be just as wrong as their current day ancestors.

MAY? You did! You said "MAY! Congratulations! You have unlocked the door to greater understanding. Now come outside and behold the interconnected world in which we live. It is a wonderful world and deserves to be cared for and protected by our species.
😀🙏

[Byte1]

As far as tax revenue to the US (or any country for that matter), many more JOBS are being created in the clean energy field. That is the trend for the future. The newest generation of nuclear power plants has safety advantages and better waste fuel elimination over older nuclear plants. Clean energy innovation is producing lower-cost energy and cleaner air and water. There are better uses for OIL than just burning it up into the atmosphere. - such as for medicines and many other products.

So, for jobs, cleaner air, and medicines, as much oil as possible should be left in the ground. To accomplish that, EVs and other zero-pollution engines should be used in automotive applications as much as possible with government incentives. The main goal is to reduce the rate of increase of climate change by about 2050. People today owe that to our future generations.

Over 2 million are employed by the fossil fuel industry. Are there that many in the clean energy field? Of those in the clean energy field, are they there because of attempts to clean up fossil fuel? Or, are they ALL working on battery operated cars?
Going to reduce the rate of increase in climate change? What does that mean? You don't want the climate to change? When was there ever a time in history where the climate did not change? Sorry, but just saying that there is a climate change crisis does not convince people that it is caused by man. You might wish to stick to telling folks that there is an air pollution. You might be able to convince folks to quit eating meat because animals flatulence causes methane. Maybe you can convince folks from having babies because there are too many people in the world. Maybe if we eliminate all living things from the world, the world will be nice and clean. Darn, we still have to stop the volcanoes from doing more harm in our atmosphere than all the people living on earth.

[golfing eagles]

MAY? You did! You said "MAY! Congratulations! You have unlocked the door to greater understanding. Now come outside and behold the interconnected world in which we live. It is a wonderful world and deserves to be cared for and protected by our species.
😀🙏

Good comeback---not a great comeback, but a good one:1rotfl::1rotfl::1rotfl:

PS: I posted a BIG MAY, so only congratulate me about 15%:1rotfl::1rotfl::1rotfl:

[Hardlyworking]

Having an open mind is how we "doomsayers" are able to look at and evaluate all the evidence rather than only that which support our preconceived/preferred beliefs.

You don’t have an open mind. The topic is closed, no need for further discussion. That is what Algore has proclaimed. We are right and everyone else is wrong. Period. We’re you around in the 1960s? Ever see photos of the steel mills and the pollution they spewed? We don’t have that now. Why all of a sudden will the earth become inhabitable in 12 years?

[Stu from NYC]

You don’t have an open mind. The topic is closed, no need for further discussion. That is what Algore has proclaimed. We are right and everyone else is wrong. Period. We’re you around in the 1960s? Ever see photos of the steel mills and the pollution they spewed? We don’t have that now. Why all of a sudden will the earth become inhabitable in 12 years?

Because certain people who think they know everything but do not, said so???

[OrangeBlossomBaby]

I don't know diddly about climate science. I know that the climate changes. I know that planets are destined to eventually die. I know that Earth is a planet, and therefore - is destined to eventually die. I know this takes billions of years. I'm okay with that, not gonna happen in my lifetime, or the lifetime of anyone's grandkids here, and the human race will probably have evolved into some other species by then anyway.

But I also know a little about mathematics. Not a lot - but definitely enough to see inconsistencies. So we have oil. Lots and lots of oil. I'll try and keep it in a perspective that even /I/ can understand. I have a big ball made of a layer of stone, with oil in pockets inside it. I dig into parts of the ball to build on other parts of it. So now that layer of stone is thinner than it was before I started. That's fine. Set that aside. Now let's drill a really deep deep hole into those oil pockets, and suck the oil out of them. We now have a ball with a thinned layer of rock covering hollow pockets. And we keep building, thinning the layers over there, adding heavy stuff over here.

As near as I can figure, eventually - those pockets are going to collapse. And everything NEAR them is also going to collapse. I think that's probably a really bad idea, to keep hollowing out those pockets at the rate we're hollowing them, and building nearby at the rate we're building.

Could you imagine an oil well underground in the ocean deciding "y'know what - I'm gonna just collapse now." Do you think that will NOT upset the ocean's depths? Do you think it will NOT cause some kind of chaos to the fish and other marine life living near that well? Do you think the chaos caused to those fish, won't affect the marine life that swims through that area seasonally and feeds on that marine life? Do you think it won't - eventually - have a profound effect on the human species?

I dunno. I just feel like we're dealing with a planet that's becoming hollowed out in spots, and those collapses will come, and they wouldn't have come, if we hadn't left those pockets alone. I think that will have an effect on our existence. I'm all for doing whatever is _practical_ at this stage, to slow that process down. Not stop it. Just slow it down.

[Two Bills]

I don't know diddly about climate science. I know that the climate changes. I know that planets are destined to eventually die. I know that Earth is a planet, and therefore - is destined to eventually die. I know this takes billions of years. I'm okay with that, not gonna happen in my lifetime, or the lifetime of anyone's grandkids here, and the human race will probably have evolved into some other species by then anyway.

But I also know a little about mathematics. Not a lot - but definitely enough to see inconsistencies. So we have oil. Lots and lots of oil. I'll try and keep it in a perspective that even /I/ can understand. I have a big ball made of a layer of stone, with oil in pockets inside it. I dig into parts of the ball to build on other parts of it. So now that layer of stone is thinner than it was before I started. That's fine. Set that aside. Now let's drill a really deep deep hole into those oil pockets, and suck the oil out of them. We now have a ball with a thinned layer of rock covering hollow pockets. And we keep building, thinning the layers over there, adding heavy stuff over here.

As near as I can figure, eventually - those pockets are going to collapse. And everything NEAR them is also going to collapse. I think that's probably a really bad idea, to keep hollowing out those pockets at the rate we're hollowing them, and building nearby at the rate we're building.

Could you imagine an oil well underground in the ocean deciding "y'know what - I'm gonna just collapse now." Do you think that will NOT upset the ocean's depths? Do you think it will NOT cause some kind of chaos to the fish and other marine life living near that well? Do you think the chaos caused to those fish, won't affect the marine life that swims through that area seasonally and feeds on that marine life? Do you think it won't - eventually - have a profound effect on the human species?

I dunno. I just feel like we're dealing with a planet that's becoming hollowed out in spots, and those collapses will come, and they wouldn't have come, if we hadn't left those pockets alone. I think that will have an effect on our existence. I'm all for doing whatever is _practical_ at this stage, to slow that process down. Not stop it. Just slow it down.

When oil is pumped out, it is under pressure.
When pressure drops, water is sucked into the void to take up the space left by extracted oil.

[golfing eagles]

I don't know diddly about climate science. I know that the climate changes. I know that planets are destined to eventually die. I know that Earth is a planet, and therefore - is destined to eventually die. I know this takes billions of years. I'm okay with that, not gonna happen in my lifetime, or the lifetime of anyone's grandkids here, and the human race will probably have evolved into some other species by then anyway.

But I also know a little about mathematics. Not a lot - but definitely enough to see inconsistencies. So we have oil. Lots and lots of oil. I'll try and keep it in a perspective that even /I/ can understand. I have a big ball made of a layer of stone, with oil in pockets inside it. I dig into parts of the ball to build on other parts of it. So now that layer of stone is thinner than it was before I started. That's fine. Set that aside. Now let's drill a really deep deep hole into those oil pockets, and suck the oil out of them. We now have a ball with a thinned layer of rock covering hollow pockets. And we keep building, thinning the layers over there, adding heavy stuff over here.

As near as I can figure, eventually - those pockets are going to collapse. And everything NEAR them is also going to collapse. I think that's probably a really bad idea, to keep hollowing out those pockets at the rate we're hollowing them, and building nearby at the rate we're building.

Could you imagine an oil well underground in the ocean deciding "y'know what - I'm gonna just collapse now." Do you think that will NOT upset the ocean's depths? Do you think it will NOT cause some kind of chaos to the fish and other marine life living near that well? Do you think the chaos caused to those fish, won't affect the marine life that swims through that area seasonally and feeds on that marine life? Do you think it won't - eventually - have a profound effect on the human species?

I dunno. I just feel like we're dealing with a planet that's becoming hollowed out in spots, and those collapses will come, and they wouldn't have come, if we hadn't left those pockets alone. I think that will have an effect on our existence. I'm all for doing whatever is _practical_ at this stage, to slow that process down. Not stop it. Just slow it down.

Interesting theory. Fortunately for us, it doesn't work that way.

[Dr Winston O Boogie jr]

Here's the best thing I've ever heard on this subject. It really demonstrates ho people that disagree try to make an argument.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SSrjAXK5pGw

[fdpaq0580]

I don't know diddly about climate science. I know that the climate changes. I know that planets are destined to eventually die. I know that Earth is a planet, and therefore - is destined to eventually die. I know this takes billions of years. I'm okay with that, not gonna happen in my lifetime, or the lifetime of anyone's grandkids here, and the human race will probably have evolved into some other species by then anyway.

But I also know a little about mathematics. Not a lot - but definitely enough to see inconsistencies. So we have oil. Lots and lots of oil. I'll try and keep it in a perspective that even /I/ can understand. I have a big ball made of a layer of stone, with oil in pockets inside it. I dig into parts of the ball to build on other parts of it. So now that layer of stone is thinner than it was before I started. That's fine. Set that aside. Now let's drill a really deep deep hole into those oil pockets, and suck the oil out of them. We now have a ball with a thinned layer of rock covering hollow pockets. And we keep building, thinning the layers over there, adding heavy stuff over here.

As near as I can figure, eventually - those pockets are going to collapse. And everything NEAR them is also going to collapse. I think that's probably a really bad idea, to keep hollowing out those pockets at the rate we're hollowing them, and building nearby at the rate we're building.

Could you imagine an oil well underground in the ocean deciding "y'know what - I'm gonna just collapse now." Do you think that will NOT upset the ocean's depths? Do you think it will NOT cause some kind of chaos to the fish and other marine life living near that well? Do you think the chaos caused to those fish, won't affect the marine life that swims through that area seasonally and feeds on that marine life? Do you think it won't - eventually - have a profound effect on the human species?

I dunno. I just feel like we're dealing with a planet that's becoming hollowed out in spots, and those collapses will come, and they wouldn't have come, if we hadn't left those pockets alone. I think that will have an effect on our existence. I'm all for doing whatever is _practical_ at this stage, to slow that process down. Not stop it. Just slow it down.

Your thinking is good, but you are missing a puzzle piece or two. In the good old days they discovered that as they sucked out oil, the level dropped and they had to go deeper to get to the oil. They figured that, since oil floats on water, if they pumped water in the oil would float up to where they could reach it more easily. So, in some cases there is water where there used to be oil. No void.
There are lots of different ways to get to the oil nowadays.
I recall that as a child in So. Cal. off shore oil deposits would leak into the ocean. A day at the beach often ended by cleaning the tar off yourself. Ah, the good old days.

[golfing eagles]

Here's the best thing I've ever heard on this subject. It really demonstrates ho people that disagree try to make an argument.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SSrjAXK5pGw

Great video. And thank you for posting something that confirms what I've been posting all along. Of course, the brainwashed climate change cultists will find yet another way to avoid facing the facts.

[fdpaq0580]

You don’t have an open mind. The topic is closed, no need for further discussion. That is what Algore has proclaimed. We are right and everyone else is wrong. Period. We’re you around in the 1960s? Ever see photos of the steel mills and the pollution they spewed? We don’t have that now. Why all of a sudden will the earth become inhabitable in 12 years?

You think my mind is closed? How would you know?
You insist the topic is closed, yet it goes on?
Who or what is an "Algore"? (being facetious 😀)
No photos needed. Saw the actual mills, factories and the pollution. And people poopooed the activists then, too.
FYI, been around since the 1940's.
"We don't have that now". Cleaner air thanks to the hated activists bring it to light. Most of pollution industries are over seas, bigger and badder than ever with population to match.
😓

[Byte1]

You think my mind is closed? How would you know?
You insist the topic is closed, yet it goes on?
Who or what is an "Algore"? (being facetious 😀)
No photos needed. Saw the actual mills, factories and the pollution. And people poopooed the activists then, too.
FYI, been around since the 1940's.
"We don't have that now". Cleaner air thanks to the hated activists bring it to light. Most of pollution industries are over seas, bigger and badder than ever with population to match.
😓

That's fine for Air Pollution, which is something that seems to be measurable. Not so for Climate Change. Can't measure how man can manipulate or change the Climate. Like I said before, unless there is a nuclear winter, I don't see how man is going to change the climate so that it is measurable. The climate has ALWAYS changed and will always change. Man can change the rotation of the Earth about as well as one ant can change the rotation. And if you think that man can stop the sun from burning out eventually, I would be very interested in hearing how. If man wishes to change the climate, he will have to build a great big bubble where he can control the climate inside.

[fdpaq0580]

That's fine for Air Pollution, which is something that seems to be measurable. Not so for Climate Change. Can't measure how man can manipulate or change the Climate. Like I said before, unless there is a nuclear winter, I don't see how man is going to change the climate so that it is measurable. The climate has ALWAYS changed and will always change. Man can change the rotation of the Earth about as well as one ant can change the rotation. And if you think that man can stop the sun from burning out eventually, I would be very interested in hearing how. If man wishes to change the climate, he will have to build a great big bubble where he can control the climate inside.

I am glad that you get air polution, but air polution is only one part of the much larger and more complicated issue of climate change. The atmosphere, the oceans, the rainforests and the animal life, all contribute to the climate, along with the heat of the earth's core, rotation, orbital path, distance from the sun, pull of the moon, etc.
Some of these things we human can and do affect. Each individual may not have any noticeable affect. But, 8 billion (and increasing), with the help of our technology and equipment is noticeable. Not everyone is ready, willing or able to accept what science and world leaders overwhelmingly agree is a problem that needs to be addressed.
8 Billion people. Yep, thats more than enough to ruin a planet.

[jimjamuser]

Here's the best thing I've ever heard on this subject. It really demonstrates ho people that disagree try to make an argument.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SSrjAXK5pGw
According to Wikipedia, Prager U is NOT an accredited University. Rather, an American advocacy group the creates videos
promoting a CONSERVATIVE viewpoint.

[OrangeBlossomBaby]

When oil is pumped out, it is under pressure.
When pressure drops, water is sucked into the void to take up the space left by extracted oil.

Right. But the water doesn't come from god's holy drool. Do you think the sea level is NOT affected by all that water now filling those pockets where there used to be oil? And - that's just the oil wells in the ocean. The ones on land aren't magically turning into ponds.

[jimjamuser]

Your thinking is good, but you are missing a puzzle piece or two. In the good old days they discovered that as they sucked out oil, the level dropped and they had to go deeper to get to the oil. They figured that, since oil floats on water, if they pumped water in the oil would float up to where they could reach it more easily. So, in some cases there is water where there used to be oil. No void.
There are lots of different ways to get to the oil nowadays.
I recall that as a child in So. Cal. off shore oil deposits would leak into the ocean. A day at the beach often ended by cleaning the tar off yourself. Ah, the good old days.
About 1956 on Lake Erie's beaches, tarballs about 3 inches in diameter were floating all around. They would create an almost permanent stain on skin and swimming trunks. Those were the days. "The days of wine and tarballs"!

[jimjamuser]

You think my mind is closed? How would you know?
You insist the topic is closed, yet it goes on?
Who or what is an "Algore"? (being facetious 😀)
No photos needed. Saw the actual mills, factories and the pollution. And people poopooed the activists then, too.
FYI, been around since the 1940's.
"We don't have that now". Cleaner air thanks to the hated activists bring it to light. Most of pollution industries are over seas, bigger and badder than ever with population to match.
😓
We basically OUTSOURCED our own bad air and pollution to China. They used the money to increase their middle class at the expense of ours. Their population increased and creates a NEW source of environmental destruction. And their bad air becomes our bad air and their trapped pollution and excess heat circles the world and becomes our excess heat. Then the icing on the cake is that their giant industrial fishing fleet, illegally over-fish all the protein out of the world's oceans. That helps cause the coral reefs to die. We created the China monster. Now we have to pay that piper!

[jimjamuser]

I am glad that you get air polution, but air polution is only one part of the much larger and more complicated issue of climate change. The atmosphere, the oceans, the rainforests and the animal life, all contribute to the climate, along with the heat of the earth's core, rotation, orbital path, distance from the sun, pull of the moon, etc.
Some of these things we human can and do affect. Each individual may not have any noticeable affect. But, 8 billion (and increasing), with the help of our technology and equipment is noticeable. Not everyone is ready, willing or able to accept what science and world leaders overwhelmingly agree is a problem that needs to be addressed.
8 Billion people. Yep, thats more than enough to ruin a planet.
Take a vacation to Bahia Honda STATE Park just north of Key West. Ask an interpretive State Park Officer about the health of the coral on those reefs. Then ask about what has caused the problem. You might be able to find a book there that explains the link between the dying coral and global warming. Take a mask and snorkel and see it for yourself.

[fdpaq0580]

Great video. And thank you for posting something that confirms what I've been posting all along. Of course, the brainwashed climate change cultists will find yet another way to avoid facing the facts.

Fell for it because it confirmed your preconceived beliefs and prejudices and made you feel vindicated. So now you feel strong and immediately go for the weapon of choice, belittling and insults. "Brainwashed climate change cultists"? Where is the witty repartee, the charm? Come on. You are better than this. If you want to insult me, make it a real zinger. Someting we can both enjoy.

[JMintzer]

Seriously, 2 google clicks will get you to the information about the US Navy getting prepared for ocean rise for their low-lying Naval bases along the eastern seaboard.
........And the Russian gas pipes to Europe have been all over the TV news for the LAST WEEK.
.........And the Chinese GIANT fishing fleets have ANGERED countries in South America and worldwide. The UN is worried about it. It ABSOLUTELY could be found with a little research on Google.
.........I mean seriously.....it's practically common knowledge!

The military does a lot of foolish things...

The Russian gas pipes were in the news because "somebody" blew them up!

But sure... Keep posting the same exact thing, again and again and again and again...

China is being China... Color me surprised...

But let's wreck our economy. That'll teach them a lesson!

[JMintzer]

Could you imagine an oil well underground in the ocean deciding "y'know what - I'm gonna just collapse now." Do you think that will NOT upset the ocean's depths? Do you think it will NOT cause some kind of chaos to the fish and other marine life living near that well? Do you think the chaos caused to those fish, won't affect the marine life that swims through that area seasonally and feeds on that marine life? Do you think it won't - eventually - have a profound effect on the human species?

Well... It could certainly solve the oceans are rising "problem"...

[JMintzer]

Here's the best thing I've ever heard on this subject. It really demonstrates ho people that disagree try to make an argument.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SSrjAXK5pGw

:bigbow::bigbow::bigbow:

[JMintzer]

According to Wikipedia, Prager U is NOT an accredited University. Rather, an American advocacy group the creates videos
promoting a CONSERVATIVE viewpoint.

Typical. Can't make an counter argument so attack the opponent...

[golfing eagles]

Fell for it because it confirmed your preconceived beliefs and prejudices and made you feel vindicated. So now you feel strong and immediately go for the weapon of choice, belittling and insults. "Brainwashed climate change cultists"? Where is the witty repartee, the charm? Come on. You are better than this. If you want to insult me, make it a real zinger. Someting we can both enjoy.

It’s alliterative 😂😂😂

[JMintzer]

Right. But the water doesn't come from god's holy drool. Do you think the sea level is NOT affected by all that water now filling those pockets where there used to be oil? And - that's just the oil wells in the ocean. The ones on land aren't magically turning into ponds.

It should LOWER the sea level. Thus solving the "oceans are rising" problem...

[fdpaq0580]

It’s alliterative 😂😂😂

By golly, so it is ( except for the "brainwashed" part). I take back my comment regarding lack of witty repartee and charm. You came through and I failed to notice it. I'll have to try it sometime. 😄😄😄

[golfing eagles]

By golly, so it is ( except for the "brainwashed" part). I take back my comment regarding lack of witty repartee and charm. You came through and I failed to notice it. I'll have to try it sometime. 😄😄😄

No problem, it was subtle 😂😂😂

[Stu from NYC]

No problem, it was subtle 😂😂😂

Accordingly to my research subtlety is lost on 57.5% of the posters here

[PersonOfInterest]

Well, most of the world's scientists believe in global warming. The last 8 years are the globally warmest on recorded weather history - 150years. The world's coral reefs are dying and covered in algae due to overfishing by Chinese mega-fishing fleets. Which even sail with a giant fish processing plant about as big as a military carrier. They over-fish one area of the ocean and when there is nothing left but an empty ocean, they move around the globe. China isn't the only country overfishing. (this can easily be checked with the Google machine) This is an example of humans making Global Warming worse.

The pipeline carrying natural gas from Russia to Europe has been sabotaged leaving 4 holes in the pipe. This caused a great quantity of natural gas to erupt and flow into the upper atmosphere and likely causing greater planetary warming. Because of all these factors, most scientists predict increased warming for the next 30 years. This is another example of humans adding to Global Warming.

All over the world glaciers are melting and ending up in the sea. This makes the oceans rise by MEASURABLE amounts. Scientists have been making sea measurements for many years and are SICKENED by the rapid rate of ocean rise in the last few years. The US Navy is making plans for relocating or modifying all their bases on the east coast because of expected high water problems by 2050 (that can also be easily checked on Google) Oh and did I mention that hurricanes are INCREASING in intensity and destructive force........like the recent hurricane Ian, which we are all familiar with.

These and other facts have led most scientists to believe that man's activities are causing the recent warming of the earth........to the scientists, this is known as SETTLED SCIENCE. And they have been warning about this for over 40 years and the average person WON'T believe them. Maybe in 2050 when Miami is underwater and fish are swimming in underwater condos...................it will be too obvious to not be believed !

Even if we accept that Global Warming is happening there is no way to determine what part, if any, mankind has played in increasing the temperatures of the earth. You offer YOUR beliefs as evidence, but one's belief even if shared by billions of others is not in itself evidence of anything. A warning that by 2050 Miami will be underwater is a prediction that has no merit. It is no more alarming than a prediction that a meteor will impact the earth in 6.3 years destroying the entire planet. Even if they are predictions that will come true there is nothing mankind can do to change such global events. We can't even change a Hurricane, tornado or earthquake, how do you expect mankind to deal with magnitudes larger events such as rising of the oceans to the point of engulfing Miami? Should we stop burning fossil fuels and change every other situation believed to add to global warming, hoping we'll be safe and avoid such a disaster? I believe we're past the point of ever being able to reverse the behaviors that are thought to add to global warming. And further, are all those advocating that mankind is playing a role in global warming not have faith that God is in control of all that transpires on the Earth that he created? Mankind prevailed and survived the 'Great Flood' before we had any of the technologies of today. Can we not survive a world where Miami is underwater? Where do your beliefs take you with regard to the Global Warming issue?

[Two Bills]

Right. But the water doesn't come from god's holy drool. Do you think the sea level is NOT affected by all that water now filling those pockets where there used to be oil? And - that's just the oil wells in the ocean. The ones on land aren't magically turning into ponds.

This site has some of the answers how and what replaces the space left when oil is pumped.

What Fills the Space Left in Wells When Oil is Extracted From the Ground? (https://www.popsci.com/holly-otterbein/article/2008-11/what-fills-space-left-wells-when-oil-extracted-ground/)

[Byte1]

Trust the scientists?
Scientists predicted 22 asteroid hits to Earth in 2022. Well, we still have two months left to live, I guess so why worry about climate change. I imagine that an asteroid hit on Earth will make a few changes in our environment. Of course, scientists are never wrong and everyone should panic and prepare for the end of the world. I will admit that man has been instrumental in diverting one such collision by sending a rocket that hit an asteroid and diverted it from hitting us. Hmmm, perhaps man can build some huge rockets that will move the Earth further away from the Sun, thus changing our trend toward global warming. Sound crazy? Crazy as folks attempting to change the climate cycles that occur naturally in our world.

[fdpaq0580]

Even if we accept that Global Warming is happening there is no way to determine what part, if any, mankind has played in increasing the temperatures of the earth. You offer YOUR beliefs as evidence, but one's belief even if shared by billions of others is not in itself evidence of anything. A warning that by 2050 Miami will be underwater is a prediction that has no merit. It is no more alarming than a prediction that a meteor will impact the earth in 6.3 years destroying the entire planet. Even if they are predictions that will come true there is nothing mankind can do to change such global events. We can't even change a Hurricane, tornado or earthquake, how do you expect mankind to deal with magnitudes larger events such as rising of the oceans to the point of engulfing Miami? Should we stop burning fossil fuels and change every other situation believed to add to global warming, hoping we'll be safe and avoid such a disaster? I believe we're past the point of ever being able to reverse the behaviors that are thought to add to global warming. And further, are all those advocating that mankind is playing a role in global warming not have faith that God is in control of all that transpires on the Earth that he created? Mankind prevailed and survived the 'Great Flood' before we had any of the technologies of today. Can we not survive a world where Miami is underwater? Where do your beliefs take you with regard to the Global Warming issue?

Did you read all the material here, pro and con? Climate change is real and is helped along by the destruction of the natural habitat. The oceans, rainforests are the "lungs" of our planet and have been damaged by massive amounts of humans terra forming and polluting. This is accepted world wide by scientists and world leaders in virtually all nations. We don't offer our beliefs, we offer the preponderance of scientific evidence on this issue.
You mentioned a meteor in you post. Are you aware that very recently we humans sent a rocket that altered its trajectory? Worry less about meteors now, thanks to science.
You lastly ask if we believe God is in control of all that happens on earth. If he is, maybe this is yet another test for us to see if we have learned anything about being good stewards of our home. Or, maybe he threw his hands up and walked away from his 8 billion unruly, squabbling children.

[Byte1]

I'm convinced that Climate Change is real. Of course, no one has proven that Climate Change is anything other than the natural evolution of the weather. Some folks are pretty egotistical if they believe they have anything to do with warming the oceans. On the other hand, I do believe scientists when they suggest that volcanoes cause ocean warming. Reason I believe? Because over 20 years ago, I was surfing the Internet and came upon a military site which gave stats on sensors at the poles. They indicated that the ice was melting from the bottom, not the top of the ice. The temps seemed to correspond with the under sea volcano eruptions. I don't take someone's word unless they can show me evidence/proof. Telling me that man exists and the climate changes, therefore man causes climate change, doesn't prove anything. Climate changed before man walked the earth.

[fdpaq0580]

I'm convinced that Climate Change is real. Of course, no one has proven that Climate Change is anything other than the natural evolution of the weather. Some folks are pretty egotistical if they believe they have anything to do with warming the oceans. On the other hand, I do believe scientists when they suggest that volcanoes cause ocean warming. Reason I believe? Because over 20 years ago, I was surfing the Internet and came upon a military site which gave stats on sensors at the poles. They indicated that the ice was melting from the bottom, not the top of the ice. The temps seemed to correspond with the under sea volcano eruptions. I don't take someone's word unless they can show me evidence/proof. Telling me that man exists and the climate changes, therefore man causes climate change, doesn't prove anything. Climate changed before man walked the earth.

20 years ago? Learn anything else since then you would like share?

[Byte1]

20 years ago? Learn anything else since then you would like share?

Yes, I learned that there a lot more folks that believe they are intelligent but are easily scammed into thinking that the world is ending any minute, thanks to supposed experts that are just fancy credentialed grifters taking their money.
So far, almost everyone in this discussion has acknowledge that there has been, may still be a problem with air pollution. But, there has been no evidence other than hearsay that man has anything to do with climate change.
Man creates CO2 and nature creates oxygen. Man creates garbage and nature composts it into fertilizer. Nature provided us with fuel for fire, which man has used for cooking, heating/warmth and transportation, and man decides that burning fuel is bad and since one thinks this way, everyone else must sacrifice. Nature provided us with animals for food and man decided that we must limit how many of those animals can be killed, so now we have more deer (example) than ever and hundreds/thousands of accidents per year due to over population of deer and other animals. These are facts, but none of those are evidence of climate change. The ocean is warming. There are volcanoes erupting in the oceans, making them warm. The air is being polluted and we also have volcanoes erupting into the air. We also have forest fires that burn up thousands of acres of forest. Yes, we have mankind. Sorry, but getting rid of mankind is not in the cards. But, none of that has proven to be climate changing.
If you are seeking a consensus of agreement, start with air pollution as the subject and goal of correction. Something that folks can see, and taste. Something that makes sense. The climate changes constantly and telling folks that they are powerful enough to control the cyclic climate is ludicrous without examples/evidence that correction is possible or even necessary. Especially, when you are asking hard working folks to sacrifice their earnings toward what they see as only a fantasy.

[fdpaq0580]

Yes, I learned that there a lot more folks that believe they are intelligent but are easily scammed into thinking that the world is ending any minute, thanks to supposed experts that are just fancy credentialed grifters taking their money.
So far, almost everyone in this discussion has acknowledge that there has been, may still be a problem with air pollution. But, there has been no evidence other than hearsay that man has anything to do with climate change.
Man creates CO2 and nature creates oxygen. Man creates garbage and nature composts it into fertilizer. Nature provided us with fuel for fire, which man has used for cooking, heating/warmth and transportation, and man decides that burning fuel is bad and since one thinks this way, everyone else must sacrifice. Nature provided us with animals for food and man decided that we must limit how many of those animals can be killed, so now we have more deer (example) than ever and hundreds/thousands of accidents per year due to over population of deer and other animals. These are facts, but none of those are evidence of climate change. The ocean is warming. There are volcanoes erupting in the oceans, making them warm. The air is being polluted and we also have volcanoes erupting into the air. We also have forest fires that burn up thousands of acres of forest. Yes, we have mankind. Sorry, but getting rid of mankind is not in the cards. But, none of that has proven to be climate changing.
If you are seeking a consensus of agreement, start with air pollution as the subject and goal of correction. Something that folks can see, and taste. Something that makes sense. The climate changes constantly and telling folks that they are powerful enough to control the cyclic climate is ludicrous without examples/evidence that correction is possible or even necessary. Especially, when you are asking hard working folks to sacrifice their earnings toward what they see as only a fantasy.

That is great. Thanks. Majority of world leaders, the worlds top scientists need to hear this for all their studies and evidence is obviously wrong. Even the United Nations is under the delusion that human activity is a main driving force of climate change. Man, what a bunch of fools, huh.

[jimjamuser]

Did you read all the material here, pro and con? Climate change is real and is helped along by the destruction of the natural habitat. The oceans, rainforests are the "lungs" of our planet and have been damaged by massive amounts of humans terra forming and polluting. This is accepted world wide by scientists and world leaders in virtually all nations. We don't offer our beliefs, we offer the preponderance of scientific evidence on this issue.
You mentioned a meteor in you post. Are you aware that very recently we humans sent a rocket that altered its trajectory? Worry less about meteors now, thanks to science.
You lastly ask if we believe God is in control of all that happens on earth. If he is, maybe this is yet another test for us to see if we have learned anything about being good stewards of our home. Or, maybe he threw his hands up and walked away from his 8 billion unruly, squabbling children.
A post to be proud of. One that shows emphasis on science and the application of science to problem-solving.

[jimjamuser]

Trust the scientists?
Scientists predicted 22 asteroid hits to Earth in 2022. Well, we still have two months left to live, I guess so why worry about climate change. I imagine that an asteroid hit on Earth will make a few changes in our environment. Of course, scientists are never wrong and everyone should panic and prepare for the end of the world. I will admit that man has been instrumental in diverting one such collision by sending a rocket that hit an asteroid and diverted it from hitting us. Hmmm, perhaps man can build some huge rockets that will move the Earth further away from the Sun, thus changing our trend toward global warming. Sound crazy? Crazy as folks attempting to change the climate cycles that occur naturally in our world.
I believe that particular asteroid was a test ONLY and was NOT endangering the earth. It was a "proof of concept" that a rocket COULD protect the earth if EVER in the future that was needed.

[jimjamuser]

Yes, I learned that there a lot more folks that believe they are intelligent but are easily scammed into thinking that the world is ending any minute, thanks to supposed experts that are just fancy credentialed grifters taking their money.
So far, almost everyone in this discussion has acknowledge that there has been, may still be a problem with air pollution. But, there has been no evidence other than hearsay that man has anything to do with climate change.
Man creates CO2 and nature creates oxygen. Man creates garbage and nature composts it into fertilizer. Nature provided us with fuel for fire, which man has used for cooking, heating/warmth and transportation, and man decides that burning fuel is bad and since one thinks this way, everyone else must sacrifice. Nature provided us with animals for food and man decided that we must limit how many of those animals can be killed, so now we have more deer (example) than ever and hundreds/thousands of accidents per year due to over population of deer and other animals. These are facts, but none of those are evidence of climate change. The ocean is warming. There are volcanoes erupting in the oceans, making them warm. The air is being polluted and we also have volcanoes erupting into the air. We also have forest fires that burn up thousands of acres of forest. Yes, we have mankind. Sorry, but getting rid of mankind is not in the cards. But, none of that has proven to be climate changing.
If you are seeking a consensus of agreement, start with air pollution as the subject and goal of correction. Something that folks can see, and taste. Something that makes sense. The climate changes constantly and telling folks that they are powerful enough to control the cyclic climate is ludicrous without examples/evidence that correction is possible or even necessary. Especially, when you are asking hard working folks to sacrifice their earnings toward what they see as only a fantasy.
In the 2nd paragraph, the statement is made about, "overpopulation of deer and other animal species". If a person googles the question - is wildlife increasing or decreasing? They will find articles in National Geographic, The Guardian. BBC, CNN, and NPR Basically, they say that animals are DECREASING at a rapid rate. Funny that is just like the icebergs. The time period the scientists studied is from 1970 to 2016. This seems suspiciously LIKE the time period when more humans are on earth and driving more cars and burning MORE FOSSIL FUELS.

The World Wildlife Fund's (WWF) 2020 report stated that around the globe - monitored populations of mammals, fish, birds, and reptiles DECREASED an average of 68% between 1970 and 2016.

[jimjamuser]

That is great. Thanks. Majority of world leaders, the worlds top scientists need to hear this for all their studies and evidence is obviously wrong. Even the United Nations is under the delusion that human activity is a main driving force of climate change. Man, what a bunch of fools, huh.
Agreed. Short and sweet!

[golfing eagles]

That is great. Thanks. Majority of world leaders, the worlds top scientists need to hear this for all their studies and evidence is obviously wrong. Even the United Nations is under the delusion that human activity is a main driving force of climate change. Man, what a bunch of fools, huh.

Agreed, they are. Glad you finally recognize it

[JMintzer]

A post to be proud of. One that shows emphasis on science and the application of science to problem-solving.

Yes, changing the trajectory of a small HARMLESS space rock will save us all...

Meanwhile, we're sitting on a super-volcano (Old Faithful, in Yellowstone) that is now due for an eruption that will be a "continent killer"...

Sleep tight folks! :22yikes::22yikes::22yikes:

[Stu from NYC]

That is great. Thanks. Majority of world leaders, the worlds top scientists need to hear this for all their studies and evidence is obviously wrong. Even the United Nations is under the delusion that human activity is a main driving force of climate change. Man, what a bunch of fools, huh.

If there is a more useless organization than the un have no idea what it could be.

[golfing eagles]

if there is a more useless organization than the un have no idea what it could be.

ows

[jimjamuser]

If there is a more useless organization than the un have no idea what it could be.
US companies were awarded more than 193 billion dollars worth of procurement contracts from the UN in 2020. UN peacekeepers help prevent conflict and protect civilians around the globe at a fraction of the cost of sending US troops.

[fdpaq0580]

Agreed, they are. Glad you finally recognize it

Can you say SAR-CAS-M? 😄😃😂

[golfing eagles]

Can you say SAR-CAS-M? 😄😃😂

can you??????:1rotfl::1rotfl::1rotfl: